**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 04 02:59:57 2010 Nov 04 03:00:04 * oil adds "In Mother Russia, Preware Patches You!" as random tagline in preware Nov 04 03:00:06 Biff! Nov 04 03:00:12 lol Nov 04 03:00:15 MACOS is accepting apps for the app store, the beginning of the end of open is upon us Nov 04 03:00:16 hey BigBiff_pre Nov 04 03:00:34 meh, only for sheeps who buy apple products Nov 04 03:00:43 haeffb, sugardave, how goes it Nov 04 03:00:44 * halfhalo thinks he should add a tagline in preware for "Its oil's fault" Nov 04 03:00:44 heh Nov 04 03:00:50 halfhalo: NEVER Nov 04 03:01:00 halfhalo should do it then have a press release Nov 04 03:01:07 * oil would strip it out before anything was released Nov 04 03:01:08 BigBiff_pre: pretty good, in Santiago Chile atm, about to head for sleep time Nov 04 03:01:08 what do macbooks and imacs do that computers with some linux distro can't? Nov 04 03:01:13 besides run photoshop... Nov 04 03:01:16 great, great. we're just discussing the rise and fall of communism and its affect on baseball Nov 04 03:01:18 sand445: textmate Nov 04 03:01:22 wow Nov 04 03:01:32 exciting stuff Nov 04 03:01:46 The thing is, when your running linux or W7, You can buy 3 equally spec'd machines for the price of a mac book pro Nov 04 03:01:51 scintillating, even Nov 04 03:01:56 what's in chile? Nov 04 03:02:00 heh Nov 04 03:02:01 sand445: I hear that if you buy the most expensive model, you can then spend even more money to get the fellatio module (or cunnilingus if you like it that way instead) Nov 04 03:02:05 3 MBPro's = 9 Lappys Nov 04 03:02:08 does that give people mac envy? Nov 04 03:02:09 * halfhalo would over pay for a mac just for textmate Nov 04 03:02:24 BigBiff_pre: RealJob duties....teaching a class to some IBMers and business partners Nov 04 03:02:27 that mac owners have that much money to throw away Nov 04 03:02:35 cool Nov 04 03:02:43 SugarDave you work for IBM Nov 04 03:02:48 ? Nov 04 03:02:50 * oil dug his laptop out of a dumpster Nov 04 03:03:04 "work" is a relative term, but I guess it's technically correct Nov 04 03:03:04 ibm works for sugardave Nov 04 03:03:05 * halfhalo has a stack of unused laptops in a desk Nov 04 03:03:07 "work" may be overstaing it. Nov 04 03:03:23 damn. sugardave beat me to it. Nov 04 03:03:31 Know anyone in Poughkeepsie NY? Nov 04 03:03:32 <-- the master Nov 04 03:03:35 he does most of his webos developing at IBM? Nov 04 03:03:54 haeffb, any new apps/updates for me? Nov 04 03:03:57 CTLAdvance: not personally, but I probably have corresponded with some Nov 04 03:04:00 sugardave_: you're not an IBM employee right? Nov 04 03:04:03 AH I see Nov 04 03:04:09 summatusmentis: I am, yes Nov 04 03:04:10 yeah I used to work for IBM, and my uncle and a friend of mine still do...work is definitely a relative term there Nov 04 03:04:15 uh. Noted Nov 04 03:04:17 Sugardave works hard for the man Nov 04 03:04:39 sugardave_: rly? so are you in Rochester then? Nov 04 03:04:47 Loudergood: what did you do for them? Nov 04 03:04:49 also, you can get me an in right? Nov 04 03:05:13 "chief slave whipper" Nov 04 03:05:21 I spent a few months on the loading dock fresh out of HS...always a fun way to break the ice in interviews though haha Nov 04 03:05:25 summatusmentis: no, I'm in Austin, TX...I have very little clout in the whole hiring department, trust me...I've tried to get friends on before when they were desperatley needing new emplo0yees...they're not so desperate right now Nov 04 03:05:51 * oil doesnt have that cool of a job Nov 04 03:06:09 sugardave_: I see... Nov 04 03:06:19 I've just heard you have to have an in to get a job with them Nov 04 03:06:20 my job isn't so much cool as it is easy for a good troublshooter/seasoned tech support person who can bullshit his way through just about anything Nov 04 03:06:25 oil does have a cool name... Nov 04 03:06:43 summatusmentis: that may be true, it's how I got out there (through Tivoli) Nov 04 03:06:48 brandon is a cool name? Nov 04 03:06:53 my job is building roads & bridges - that's cool if you're a nerd. Nov 04 03:07:15 i'm a nerd...sounds way cool to me Nov 04 03:07:18 heh. not brandon. stick with oil Nov 04 03:07:22 lol Nov 04 03:07:41 brandoil Nov 04 03:07:51 sugardave_: Tivoli... I've heard that name before Nov 04 03:08:06 we used to use Tivoli Nov 04 03:08:09 i get called "brando" at work due to an error when i first started working there Nov 04 03:08:12 but jenp, ur paired with a graphics guy Nov 04 03:08:21 summatusmentis: and even further, it helps if you know something that other people don't...for instance, I got on at Tivoli because they needed someone who knew OS/2...which I had done a stint as a contract tech support at IBM Nov 04 03:08:23 that is winning combo Nov 04 03:08:24 yeah but he's geeky too Nov 04 03:08:32 heh Nov 04 03:08:47 sugardave_: nice. I know afs, somewhat Nov 04 03:08:47 I always seem to latch on to superior technology that never quite makes it...I'm hoping webOS is a different tale Nov 04 03:08:57 lol Nov 04 03:09:01 heh Nov 04 03:09:02 I hope so too Nov 04 03:09:04 uh oh Nov 04 03:09:17 I expect HP will put some effort into it, they would want a ROI after all Nov 04 03:09:26 think of all the millions of people who could be using yule log! Nov 04 03:09:27 yeah, that's a big plus Nov 04 03:09:39 oil: no shit, I should port it to Android Nov 04 03:09:43 lol Nov 04 03:09:44 speaking of hp.. should I get a slate for school? Nov 04 03:09:46 "port" Nov 04 03:10:13 BigBiff_pre: wait for the webos tablet Nov 04 03:10:20 BigBiff_pre: I'm planning on waiting for the webos one, but I want it for reading academic papers Nov 04 03:10:29 I think a touchscreen keyboard would be crappy for school Nov 04 03:10:42 get a tablet that runs linux Nov 04 03:10:45 aka webos tablet Nov 04 03:10:49 BigBiff_pre is on the other end of "school" Nov 04 03:10:55 hehe Nov 04 03:11:01 i.e. the teaching end Nov 04 03:11:17 the fun end Nov 04 03:11:29 * oil works in agriculture xD Nov 04 03:11:29 lol Nov 04 03:11:29 oh wait.. neither is fun Nov 04 03:11:36 ah, but BT keyboard (the super-cool $1000 one that is a column that uses a laser to draw the keys on any flat surface) and your webOS tablet would put envy upon any iPad fanboy Nov 04 03:11:37 hehe Nov 04 03:11:41 it's fun if you're a college teacher Nov 04 03:11:49 hell if you're in public schools Nov 04 03:11:51 BigBiff_pre: oooh Nov 04 03:12:16 hell it is, then :) Nov 04 03:12:17 BigBiff_pre: what age group do you teach? Nov 04 03:12:22 sugardave_: how is that any different than a touchscreen keyboard? Nov 04 03:12:25 high school Nov 04 03:12:33 haeffb: it looks cooler Nov 04 03:12:34 other than being much more cooler Nov 04 03:12:39 oh Nov 04 03:12:43 not much Nov 04 03:12:55 well I guess teaching high school might be fun if your classes consist of the nerdy kids Nov 04 03:12:56 get to save your screen real estate Nov 04 03:13:01 how long will I be waiting for webos slate? Nov 04 03:13:06 my calc teacher played MTG with students all the time Nov 04 03:13:11 1Q 2011 Nov 04 03:13:14 early next year? Nov 04 03:13:27 I don't believe Nov 04 03:13:32 lies Nov 04 03:13:33 believe Nov 04 03:13:37 * sugardave_ wants to believe. Nov 04 03:13:38 "some undefined period of time" Nov 04 03:13:39 everyone expects an announcement for CES Nov 04 03:13:43 hehe Nov 04 03:14:19 * sugardave_ has enough trouble teaching "professional" adults and couln't imagine the horror of trying to teach highschool kids. Nov 04 03:14:35 so, when I release my app, the webos slate will release Nov 04 03:14:41 heh Nov 04 03:15:01 didn't they say they were definitely calling it PalmPad? Nov 04 03:15:15 okay, got to sleep, see y'all later Nov 04 03:15:26 later Nov 04 03:15:27 later Nov 04 03:15:29 c ya dave Nov 04 03:15:34 here's one of my projects... http://www.modot.org/northcentral/glasgowbridgeproject.htm Nov 04 03:15:46 the demolition photos & videos are kinda cool. Nov 04 03:16:51 cool Nov 04 03:17:20 did you get to push the 'plunger'? Nov 04 03:18:38 nah, apparently only the "experts" are allowed to do that. Nov 04 03:18:44 heh Nov 04 03:19:27 haeffb, ur apps are still my most used Nov 04 03:19:41 anything new? Nov 04 03:19:48 sweet. have you seen Noted! ? Nov 04 03:20:23 it's a client for http://simplenoteapp.com/ Nov 04 03:20:34 don't have it, no. but I've been 'offline' for awhile Nov 04 03:20:39 I'll look Nov 04 03:21:35 I use simplenote to log stuff (phone calls, what I've accomplished, etc.) throughout the day, then can access all the notes from my phone. Nov 04 03:21:57 haeffb: so... it's evernote Nov 04 03:22:00 but simple Nov 04 03:22:02 and not ever Nov 04 03:22:13 simple Nov 04 03:22:32 evernote took too much effort for me. Nov 04 03:22:50 I just meant "cloud notes" Nov 04 03:22:57 yep Nov 04 03:23:18 * haeffb used to use Daynotez on PalmOS Nov 04 03:23:48 simplenote/noted is a great replacement Nov 04 03:23:53 actually, lately, grooveshark has gotten lots of use on my phone Nov 04 03:24:56 bluetooth it straight to my speakers in my room.. kids like it Nov 04 03:25:05 nice. Nov 04 03:25:27 don't tell anyone, but I don't actually use Toodledo/Done Nov 04 03:25:37 it's way too complicated. Nov 04 03:25:39 they finally updated their app! Nov 04 03:26:19 well, I do use Done to keep track of what I need to do with my apps. Nov 04 03:26:26 but not for daily "todo lists" Nov 04 03:27:17 I use done Nov 04 03:27:36 Will WebOS 2 run on the original Pre? Nov 04 03:27:46 eventually Nov 04 03:27:59 Err, so it'll be available on the Plus 2 before it's available on the regular Pre? Nov 04 03:28:09 * quotemstr needs a hardware replacement. His Pre is on its last legs. Nov 04 03:28:21 I'm trying to figure out whether I should get a used Pre, a Plus, or wait for the Plus 2. Nov 04 03:28:28 haeffb: still with sprint? Nov 04 03:28:40 haeffb how do you disable a button from an outside function? Everything I've tried gives me 'undefined Nov 04 03:28:41 yep Nov 04 03:28:45 quotemstr: honestly? I'd wait until the rumored 6 devices are announced Nov 04 03:28:51 * sand445 's Pre broke after one month and had to be shipped to Palm Nov 04 03:28:57 6 devices? Nov 04 03:29:14 http://www.precentral.net/foxconn-and-compal-contracted-5-6-palm-smartphones-2011-rumor Nov 04 03:29:43 p102eue, p102eww, p102una, p122ueu, p122eww, p122una. 6 devices can be covered by just a Pre 2 and Pixi 2. Nov 04 03:29:53 JenP: like the average teenager on facebooks' relationship status, "It's complicated" Nov 04 03:29:55 Let's see: the volume buttons don't work. The power button only works with great pressure applied. The battery lasts about half a day. The touchscreen records spurious presses all the time. Bluetooth and wifi have ranges measured in inches. The phone reboots itself at random. Nov 04 03:29:59 rwhitby: touche Nov 04 03:30:02 wow, I haven't seen code in so long... Nov 04 03:30:04 lol Nov 04 03:30:16 Oh, and the headphone jack's left channel works only sometimes. Nov 04 03:30:35 This is why I need a replacement. :-) Nov 04 03:30:45 I hate to move to Verizon, though, given their reputation for crippling phones. Nov 04 03:30:54 quotemstr: so it's a Pre in normal condition then ... Nov 04 03:31:05 Are they all that bad? Nov 04 03:31:11 batteries $3.84 on amazon.com Nov 04 03:31:27 haeffb: The battery is the last of my concerns. Nov 04 03:31:35 Oh, and did I mention the maddening spurious volume button presses? Nov 04 03:31:47 technically, it was third on your list... :) Nov 04 03:32:06 No, that's random input from the touchscreen, not random input from the volume buttons. :-) Nov 04 03:32:12 quotemstr: no, they are not. I have 6 devices and they all work. Nov 04 03:32:17 JenP: Here's what I would do... Nov 04 03:32:59 1) add a function to the sceneAssistant to disable the button... MySceneAssistant.prototype.disableButton ... Nov 04 03:33:05 Is the Pre Plus much better than the original hardware? Nov 04 03:33:25 2) When I call the function in the external.js, I'd pass the disableButton function as a parameter... Nov 04 03:33:49 k.. Nov 04 03:33:57 MyExternalFunction(otherParams, this.disableButton.bind(this)); Nov 04 03:34:24 kk i'll give it a shot Nov 04 03:35:03 in your function definition for MyExternalFunction = function(otherParams, disableButton) {... disableButton() ...} Nov 04 03:35:27 there are other ways, but that's what I'd do. Nov 04 03:35:58 ok i'll try it out Nov 04 03:36:30 wow, I'm behind the times / out of practice Nov 04 03:36:38 * haeffb has finally done some webOS in #webos, so I can call it a night... Nov 04 03:36:50 gnight Nov 04 03:36:55 I'm out too Nov 04 03:36:58 nite thanks! Nov 04 03:37:06 later - come back again BigBiff_pre Nov 04 03:37:30 I shall, may even write some codw Nov 04 03:37:50 later all Nov 04 03:39:42 Ah, it looks like WebOS 2 won't run on original hardware after all. Nov 04 03:39:54 the site says it will... Nov 04 03:40:06 Oh? I was just reading the kernel is compiled for a later CPU revision. Nov 04 03:40:18 The Pre 2 doctor will not install webOS 2.0 on a device that is not a Pre 2. Nov 04 03:40:22 oh, right, the current version won't install Nov 04 03:40:29 but eventually the original device will get 2.0 Nov 04 03:40:43 that's not to say webOS 2.0 won't run on the Pre Nov 04 03:41:02 How long does HPalm plan on supporting the original device? Nov 04 03:41:14 I've not heard anything Nov 04 03:41:32 i'm heading out. bye all Nov 04 03:41:40 quotemstr: read the webOS 2.0 press release Nov 04 03:41:54 Thanks. Nov 04 03:42:24 It's funny how the official press releases answer most of these questions, but people go to the subset of the information on the tech blog sites first. Nov 04 03:42:54 rwhitby: I don't have palm's press release page in my rss reader :) Nov 04 03:42:54 rwhitby: As a rule, tech blog sites aren't full of marketing spin. Nov 04 03:43:07 Yay! Spell checker! Nov 04 03:43:11 quotemstr: yes, but they are often not full of facts either. Nov 04 03:43:35 "fact free since 1997" Nov 04 03:43:49 And VPN (why do I suspect Verizon will charge $30/month for VPN privileges?) Nov 04 03:44:54 Any news on what "qualified developer" means with respect to the unlocked UMTS device? Nov 04 03:48:19 quotemstr: the press release and official site just says 'developer'. where does it say 'qualified developer' ? Nov 04 03:48:31 ah, sorry - now I see it. Nov 04 03:48:34 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2129 Nov 04 03:48:35 Ah. Nov 04 03:48:57 so anyone can buy it, but you need to qualify to get a discount. Nov 04 03:48:58 Would I need to take a Javascript test? Prove I've written X kloc in the past year? Nov 04 03:49:42 Does anyone know a way to get the WebOS developer documentation offline? Nov 04 03:50:10 Im not always connected to the internet Nov 04 03:50:26 wget? Nov 04 03:51:10 UTSL Nov 04 07:10:03 yay. I got Palm sticker... Nov 04 07:10:15 a Palm sticker Nov 04 07:38:53 Good morning Nov 04 08:36:12 <[AD]Turbo> yo Nov 04 08:36:19 Morning Nov 04 08:47:07 Morning Nov 04 09:31:23 I fell there is not many WebOS users Pt. :/ no new ones at lease Nov 04 09:31:38 Pt. ? Nov 04 09:31:53 at the moment Nov 04 09:32:14 A collegue of mine gave me one Palm sticker.. Nov 04 09:32:23 hehe lol Nov 04 09:34:02 rwhitby you desagree? Nov 04 09:34:34 (i am not making the i will leave palm they have no hardware bla bla.) Only feel that its getting a little lonly Nov 04 09:34:41 also the activity Nov 04 09:35:08 certainly at this time of day there is little activity Nov 04 09:35:29 hehe i am not only talking about IRC Nov 04 09:35:31 but that is good, cause then I get some quiet time to create FrankenDoctor Nov 04 09:35:51 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2744809 Nov 04 09:36:03 many times its onnly me and swisstomcat having good times inhere Nov 04 09:36:23 i see Nov 04 09:36:42 there is a disclaimer :D Nov 04 09:37:19 looking good rwhitby! Nov 04 09:37:30 how does it run? Nov 04 09:37:56 hmm - seems you did not read the disclaimer very well, even though it was red, large and bold. Nov 04 09:38:02 They wanted to wait with the release so it ran good on the Pre, so would like to know how it runs? Nov 04 09:38:22 no i only read the blue :D Nov 04 09:38:40 but now i have Nov 04 09:38:47 and do not understand Nov 04 09:38:57 why do it if it does not work? Nov 04 09:39:38 didn't read the rest of the post either? Nov 04 09:39:56 I'll change that to blue too ;) Nov 04 09:40:15 * hotdp reads blue best Nov 04 09:40:29 ok, refresh Nov 04 09:40:45 :P Nov 04 09:40:59 But, is it for help debugging? Nov 04 09:41:51 yes Nov 04 09:41:53 thats good Nov 04 09:42:13 there are maybe 3 people on the forum that I know may be able to help. it is for them. Nov 04 09:42:21 i see :) Nov 04 09:42:43 Have you ever killed a pre? Nov 04 09:45:06 no Nov 04 09:45:34 well actually, I have intentionally destroyed two devices by taking them apart for parts. Nov 04 09:45:53 oki Nov 04 09:45:55 but never from software Nov 04 09:46:04 Thats good :) Nov 04 09:46:39 I've trashed the bootloader a couple of times, but that's reasonably easy to recover if you have a linux box. Nov 04 10:30:48 What's the best way to use a large json database (12MB) offline in a webos app? Nov 04 10:34:05 Best way to use? Nov 04 10:34:34 yeah I need to display some of the data in a list Nov 04 10:34:41 as search results Nov 04 10:34:55 but I don't know how to load it Nov 04 10:43:11 hey guys .. how can i check pre logs ? Nov 04 10:43:43 i mean native app logs Nov 04 11:21:44 raghuk: use Lumberjack Nov 04 11:41:23 morning Nov 04 11:50:10 Good morning sugardave_ Nov 04 11:50:16 Early today? Nov 04 11:58:39 Chile is on the other side of the world...probably a different timezone or something Nov 04 11:59:12 yeah, Chile is currently 2 hours ahead of my normal timezone Nov 04 11:59:23 i see :D Nov 04 11:59:31 first time south of the equator for me Nov 04 11:59:54 and I keep forgetting to see if the water really does spin the opposite direction in a drain Nov 04 12:00:11 hahaha Nov 04 12:13:38 hotdp: I agree about webos getting kind of lonely. Nov 04 12:14:03 traffic on precentral forums is down. app sales are down. Nov 04 12:14:46 they'll be back Nov 04 12:36:13 I'm new. So not everybody is leaving. Nov 04 13:28:39 omg, these people have no sense of "getting to class on time" Nov 04 13:38:10 is it legal to hit students in chile :P Nov 04 14:31:01 hotdp: only the women, apparently Nov 04 14:38:26 lol Nov 04 14:42:32 morning all Nov 04 15:07:56 I cannot wait to get back home and start getting anxious to go to NYC Nov 04 15:13:42 NYC :D Nov 04 15:20:05 * halfhalo is once again using state resources for personal uses Nov 04 15:21:34 halfhalo: join the club, get a t-shirt Nov 04 15:21:51 * halfhalo has a t-shirt, and the cool thermos as well Nov 04 15:22:03 * halfhalo is using the gigantic wall mounted speakers for music Nov 04 15:22:36 heh Nov 04 15:22:48 i use my work iMac for webOS development Nov 04 15:23:06 Oh, I do all sorts of crap on the work MBP Nov 04 15:23:17 ya Nov 04 15:23:24 But its also not connected to the domain, so no stupid secutiry policies and what not Nov 04 15:23:31 and IRC, and IM, and, well pretty much everything Nov 04 15:23:41 mine is, but i'm domain admin so :) Nov 04 15:23:42 no Sprint, I don't care about the glorious lineup of "unique" Android devices Nov 04 15:23:51 sugardave_: sure you do, they're all the rage Nov 04 15:23:55 lol Nov 04 15:23:57 RAGE Nov 04 15:23:59 all the cool kids are getting them Nov 04 15:24:01 I sorta have to have im Nov 04 15:24:07 you could be a big pig too Nov 04 15:24:08 OI! Nov 04 15:24:47 * halfhalo has one reason he misses the domain, and that is the firewall bypass Nov 04 15:25:13 you don't have a tunnel set up for that? I'm shocked Nov 04 15:25:48 Well, the firewall is not bad at all, almost everything works but ping Nov 04 15:26:27 and the reason there is a firewall in the first place is because I'm connected to ze servers internet connection, not the campus wide one Nov 04 15:38:20 what are the prices that you all found for hotels in NYC? Nov 04 15:40:46 $24.99, love you long time Nov 04 15:40:58 hourly rates Nov 04 15:41:04 lol Nov 04 15:41:07 :D Nov 04 15:41:12 I found a 79 a night in jersey city Nov 04 15:41:43 halfhalo: do you take the train from there to NYC? Nov 04 15:41:56 no, a cab Nov 04 15:42:07 oh that close? Nov 04 15:42:21 yeah, less than 5 miles Nov 04 15:42:26 jersey city ramada inn Nov 04 15:42:36 and by 5 miles, I mean I'm randomly guessing Nov 04 15:42:50 ok, Nov 04 15:43:26 thanks, sending out a proposal in a wee bit, if all goes well, will more than likely go to NYC dev days Nov 04 16:10:09 has anyone happened on a good way to make the pre auto-login to Uni wireless? Nov 04 16:10:20 I'd like to not have to hit the gateway site every time :( Nov 04 16:11:56 hmm, someone should make an App For Thatâ„¢ Nov 04 16:13:16 I wondered about mode-switcher Nov 04 16:16:12 you know what you need? Nov 04 16:16:26 Moar Turbo Nov 04 16:16:27 http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/HKS/Turbo-Charger-Kit/Universal-HKS-GT2510-Ball_Bearing-Turbocharger/807779/ Nov 04 16:17:07 mmm Nov 04 16:30:26 summatusmentis: I was looking into that when my school changed to a different system that worked Nov 04 16:30:46 perhaps you need to convince the it dept to get smart phones so they get annoyed by it Nov 04 16:31:06 Loudergood: :) that's not gonna happen Nov 04 16:34:34 I've always felt there should be a way to capture what the browser sends so you can do it automatically Nov 04 16:35:01 couldn't you have a javascript that would just plug your stuff in, and click the button? Nov 04 16:36:23 not to the web browser, but you could make an app to do it via Ajax Nov 04 16:38:10 but if you have to click the button then it's not automatic ;) Nov 04 16:38:22 this :) Nov 04 16:38:35 ideally it would do it based on the ssid you've connected to Nov 04 16:38:37 Hmm! Interesting: Droid 2 Pro goes on "Presale" November 9th, ships the 18th. HP has said "Pre"orders for the Pre2 start November 8th... So maybe there's some weight to that "it's landing on Verizon on the 11th" rumor after all Nov 04 16:39:23 Loudergood: that's why I wondered about mode-switcher Nov 04 16:51:59 what I really want to know is if we will ever see a "world-phone" webOS device that I can use when I get sent to places like Chile, the UK, etc. Obviously, since I'm on Sprint, that presents a challenge, but surely there is a way to overcome it Nov 04 16:52:55 sure it's called gsm :-P Nov 04 16:52:58 sugardave, I'm sure they could do it with a dual radio device like Verizon has... And I think Broadcom is working on a radio that should do like, everything. Nov 04 16:53:18 Loudergood: even GSM, you still have problems with it since not every country uses the same bands :p Nov 04 16:53:36 yeah, I'd like to see a quad band gsm/cdma phone Nov 04 16:53:39 sugardave_: normally they do dual-radio Nov 04 16:54:10 be nice when they move to one standard...I have to say sim cards are convenient Nov 04 16:55:12 I just wish they'd go all out and just standardize on one set of bands world wide :p Nov 04 16:55:56 yeah standards are one good argument for global government..it'd be much more efficient Nov 04 16:56:27 surely it could be done without a new world order Nov 04 16:56:44 there are international standardization groups Nov 04 16:57:17 probably not, since it'd require a ton of infrastructure changes that a lot of governments (especially poorer ones) would really probably not want to bother funding Nov 04 16:57:38 and then you've got the issue of what to do with the millions of handsets that are now useless because the band shifts Nov 04 16:58:11 cash for clunkers :P Nov 04 16:58:43 plus the usual monied interests fighting change in their little pocket empires Nov 04 16:59:37 Forget enslaving mankind and bringing about the end of times, we need the NWO to standardize GSM bands so 3G works everywherrrrrrrrrrre. :Q Nov 04 17:03:58 * SineOt starts writing that on all his dollar bills Nov 04 17:08:01 haha Nov 04 17:11:01 Who knew that Java on Linux was such a disaster! Nov 04 17:11:11 ? Nov 04 17:11:40 * SineOt is trying to log in to the ATT webinar thing... And is staring at a little 1cmx1cm box that is -supposed- to be a java applet. :I Nov 04 17:12:47 heh... openjdk or sun java? Nov 04 17:12:59 Sun Java. Nov 04 17:14:15 I thought that one was supposed to work better..heh Nov 04 17:15:35 Yeah, you'd think, but... No go. Nov 04 17:15:41 Oh well. Nov 04 17:55:58 java on linux, a disaster Nov 04 17:56:10 reminds me of a certain mobile operating system Nov 04 18:10:52 i want to adjust the CSS display property of a list row based on a boolean property of each object. since display doesn't take "true" or "false", what might be the best way to switch between display: block; and display: none; ? Nov 04 18:11:19 without having to iterate through each object and adding a custom display property Nov 04 18:19:38 hmmmmm Nov 04 19:10:13 did oil finally defect to android? Nov 04 19:14:30 maik: formatters Nov 04 19:29:01 rsanchez1: never Nov 04 19:29:34 lies Nov 04 19:29:39 he has an iphone now Nov 04 19:31:03 *gasp* Nov 04 19:33:03 lol Nov 04 19:33:11 * oil would never downgrade... lol Nov 04 19:33:32 sure you would... for a price! Nov 04 19:33:46 a hundred million dollars Nov 04 19:34:00 * halfhalo starts printing monopoly monies Nov 04 19:36:36 new southpark = WIN Nov 04 19:36:50 havent watched sp in years Nov 04 19:36:57 lol Nov 04 19:38:14 the most recent one is epic Nov 04 19:38:23 the middle of a 3-parter Nov 04 19:38:23 lol Nov 04 19:39:12 lets just say, kenny is bad ass Nov 04 19:39:23 lol Nov 04 19:50:48 you guys don't happen to have idl experience, do you? Nov 04 19:51:34 does the fact i dont know what idl stands for answer that? Nov 04 19:51:35 xD Nov 04 19:51:52 darn Nov 04 19:52:04 actually I don't know what it stands for either lol Nov 04 19:52:09 oh no, press release, oil doesnt know what idl Nov 04 19:52:10 is Nov 04 19:52:17 :/ Nov 04 19:52:18 it's some programming language you use to make plots Nov 04 19:54:11 anyone see an issue with nested if statements in webos Nov 04 19:54:12 I'm asking it to read two columns of one line, but it's reading one line and the next line instead, so frustrating Nov 04 19:54:44 you mean like, if (..) {if (..) {} else {}} Nov 04 19:54:49 yes Nov 04 19:54:57 its seems to always take my else Nov 04 19:55:03 I don't see what the issue would be Nov 04 19:55:05 skips the if Nov 04 19:55:08 and if is true Nov 04 19:55:26 maybe there's some error in the if clause causing it to not run Nov 04 19:57:18 well even if I make it Nov 04 19:57:24 if(true==true) Nov 04 19:57:32 it still goes to the else Nov 04 19:57:39 just true would've been enough Nov 04 19:58:06 Yep Nov 04 19:58:11 and doesnt work :) Nov 04 19:58:22 care to post the code? Nov 04 20:00:09 * sugardave_ edges closer to getting what he wants. Nov 04 20:00:15 wow Nov 04 20:00:48 * oil wonders what it is sugardave is getting closer to Nov 04 20:00:49 the issue was because I was declaring the var as this.somevar, so I just changed it to var somevar and made it global Nov 04 20:00:55 * halfhalo knows Nov 04 20:01:07 this.somevar broke the statement Nov 04 20:01:11 interesting Nov 04 20:01:25 well, technically var somevar doesn't make somevar global Nov 04 20:01:38 no, but for my scene it is Nov 04 20:01:45 it can be accessed anywhere Nov 04 20:02:18 anyways Nov 04 20:24:41 it is cheaper to drink a 2 beers than to drink one starbucks ice tea in mexico Nov 04 20:27:06 no wonder there are starbucks in ever corner in the US Nov 04 20:27:11 in = on Nov 04 20:30:26 lunch time laters Nov 04 21:03:43 maik: formatters. still. Nov 04 21:04:51 sweet, time for Node people to start writing wiki articles Nov 04 21:04:56 get to it! Nov 04 21:11:21 who's working on a new app in here? Nov 04 21:12:50 I am, why? :p Nov 04 21:15:11 just wondering what people are up to Nov 04 21:15:19 SineOt: what kind of app is it? Nov 04 21:24:51 lately I've been working on a clock display app, hoping to tie it in with exposition under 2.0 :p Nov 04 21:26:26 :) Nov 04 21:26:29 cool Nov 04 21:26:53 oh well off to bed Nov 04 21:26:55 night guys! Nov 04 21:32:31 SineOt: exhibition? Nov 04 21:32:58 the like, put it on the touchstone and it displays thingy Nov 04 21:33:04 yeah, exhibition heh Nov 04 21:33:21 I get it confused with Expose on OSX and P: Nov 04 21:34:05 any of you devs on twitter? Nov 04 21:34:19 I have a personal one but not a dev one XD Nov 04 21:34:23 I should make a dev one... Nov 04 21:34:23 ah Nov 04 21:34:30 yeah i have both Nov 04 21:34:42 but my dev one is kind of aenemic looking Nov 04 21:35:05 http://twitter.com/#!/ncavesoft Nov 04 21:35:07 I'd imagine they'd all be, unless you were fielding support through it or updating a ton Nov 04 21:40:10 http://twitter.com/derek Nov 04 21:40:28 pandora--: You are in LA? Have you been to a SoCal.js meetup yet? Nov 04 21:40:48 have not Nov 04 21:40:56 hadn't even heard of it actually Nov 04 21:41:07 oh, heh you're at yahoo? Nov 04 21:41:38 Next one coming up on the 15th. http://socaljs.com/calendar/15150262/ Nov 04 21:41:59 Yeah, Yahoo by day. Palm fanboi by night. Nov 04 21:42:37 nice nice Nov 04 21:42:41 the one on colorado? Nov 04 21:42:51 i'm sure yahoo has more than a few offices here Nov 04 21:43:04 Join up though. Working w/ Palm on a good month to come down for an event. Likely January/February. Nov 04 21:43:20 Decided to skip December because of the holiday month. Nov 04 21:43:24 Yeah, Colorado Nov 04 21:43:33 Just 1 campus down here, but multiple buildings. Nov 04 21:43:58 you guys have good coffee Nov 04 21:44:11 :) Nov 04 21:44:35 whatever that coffee shop is downstairs by the courtyard area Nov 04 21:44:46 Ah, Tully's, yeah. Nov 04 21:44:58 yaa thats the place Nov 04 21:45:09 Sunnyvale has free coffee shops in their buildings. Boo. Nov 04 21:45:26 my wife worked across the street for a few years so i got to know the area a little better Nov 04 21:45:40 over at the mtv building for gametrailers.com (subsidiary) Nov 04 21:46:44 coffee shops :-) reminds me of amsterdam.. Nov 04 21:47:13 pandora--: where in LA are you based? Nov 04 21:47:21 dgathright: rad. joineded. we'll see if i make it to the next one Nov 04 21:47:31 dgathright: playa del rey Nov 04 21:47:34 cool Nov 04 21:52:09 haeffb: formatters? Nov 04 21:58:15 * Tibfib discovered the wonder of formatters this past weekend Nov 04 21:59:02 what is it!?!? Nov 04 21:59:33 * maik googles Nov 04 22:00:03 see webos101 Nov 04 22:00:06 the list sample Nov 04 22:00:37 oh, i seeeeeeee Nov 04 22:06:50 formatters is awesome Nov 04 22:07:46 yes Nov 04 22:07:55 too bad I don't know the context Nov 04 22:08:07 unless you use Ares Nov 04 22:08:13 oh right Nov 04 22:08:29 but rretsiem seems to indicate that onItemRendered is just as magical Nov 04 22:08:35 morning Nov 04 22:08:36 i have/had a problem where i wanted to format a row based on the property of an object, specifically setting its CSS display property Nov 04 22:08:41 apparently formatters is the answer Nov 04 22:08:42 rwhitby: morning Nov 04 22:08:48 sugardave_: got your total yet? Nov 04 22:08:53 maik is looking to show/hide a div based on a boolean property in his list model Nov 04 22:08:53 maik: it is the answer Nov 04 22:09:01 sugardave_: RT by @palm can't have hurt ;) Nov 04 22:09:44 rwhitby: oooh, haven't seen that one yet :D not quite there, at 87% Nov 04 22:09:52 I just got back to my hotel room Nov 04 22:10:03 who does @palm? adora? Nov 04 22:10:13 not adora Nov 04 22:11:10 ah, nice, THANKS PALM :D Nov 04 22:15:00 I think chuqui might also do @palm, but I have no idea Nov 04 22:15:50 howdy sugardave_ how is chile treating you? Nov 04 22:17:10 LoneStar99: good today, was cold again this morning, but the clouds burned away and it is quite warm Nov 04 22:17:18 about to go out and shop for some souvenirs, I think Nov 04 22:21:38 woo, <3 formatters Nov 04 22:21:53 thanks, haeffb, et al. Nov 04 22:22:13 love me some formatters Nov 04 22:26:06 mmmmmmhmmm Nov 04 22:29:36 * pandora-- back1 Nov 04 22:29:38 er. ! Nov 04 22:30:34 sugardave_: i started thinking in callbacks early this morning when my daughter came in and woke me up Nov 04 22:30:58 haha Nov 04 22:31:01 pwned Nov 04 22:31:12 something along the lines of "daddy i gotta go pee" and me thinking, "ok, just give it a callback so when she's done she'll wake me up" Nov 04 22:31:20 lol Nov 04 22:38:36 okay, time to go find food, bbl Nov 04 23:08:12 does Mojo.Event.singleTap work the way i think it should on the device and just not on the emulator? Nov 04 23:19:39 what did i miss? Nov 04 23:20:57 re Nov 04 23:22:55 dkirker: ping Nov 04 23:23:08 hi Tibfib Nov 04 23:23:12 dkirker: ban the flood guy! Nov 04 23:23:15 dkirker: howdy :) Nov 04 23:23:33 hmmm Nov 04 23:23:57 I have seen him talk in there Nov 04 23:24:11 k[t: please fix your client. You are flooding the channel. Nov 04 23:27:43 * rwhitby turns off join and part event notifications and is blissfully unaware of any problem Nov 04 23:29:24 dkirker: just ban him, he's joined and been killed about 30 times in the last 20 minutes Nov 04 23:30:03 has anyone implemented a menu panel a la Style Matters ? Nov 04 23:34:43 Wow, the App Catalog in 2.0 is awesome Nov 04 23:35:12 how's the scrolling/touch response in 2.0? Nov 04 23:35:27 I dunno. I'm running it on my 1.4.5 Pixi! P: Nov 04 23:35:59 waiy, wut? Nov 04 23:36:06 wait also Nov 04 23:36:35 haeffb_pre: packaged an IPK from the SFR 2.0 doctor Nov 04 23:36:49 wait Nov 04 23:36:50 wat Nov 04 23:36:52 I probably shouldn't be talking about it c_c Nov 04 23:36:57 can I run 2.0 on a sprint pre yet Nov 04 23:37:01 with some haxxorz Nov 04 23:37:13 no Nov 04 23:37:20 but some of the apps from 2.0 will Nov 04 23:37:25 lol Nov 04 23:37:28 it's all the rage: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/267778-pre-2-webos-doctor-available-what-can-we-learn.html Nov 04 23:37:40 all outside of NDA area, so no problems. Nov 04 23:37:50 if you get an sfr pre 2 and replace comms board... ? Nov 04 23:37:51 as long as people don't redistribute the files Nov 04 23:38:14 oddly enough, the App Catalog from 2.0 takes a meta tap as being me trying to start a Just Type search o_o Nov 04 23:38:21 I'm also working on a FrankenDoctor: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/267880-frankendoctor-1-4-5-2-0-0-a.html Nov 04 23:39:01 In fact it won't recognize any gestures, just invokes Just Type searching! D: Nov 04 23:47:35 where is our doctor?! :( Nov 04 23:47:35 maik: I have used a menu panel Nov 04 23:47:51 i'm just grabbing/adapting code from the StyleMatters example, is that what you did? Nov 04 23:48:20 nope. rolled my own webkit transitions Nov 04 23:48:25 ok Nov 04 23:48:47 i think i shall modularize this for future use if i can get it sorted Nov 04 23:48:49 but I copied the html from the style matters stuff Nov 04 23:49:42 maik: I suspect the delay on a 2.0 doctor for existing devices has to do with the fact they are doing data-preserving LVM resizes and that would require quite a bit of testing. Nov 04 23:50:04 rwhitby: i will take your word for it Nov 04 23:52:27 not to mention the whole carrier approval thing. Nov 04 23:52:40 carrier shmarrier Nov 05 00:00:02 i win! Nov 05 00:01:06 you win a cookie Nov 05 00:21:02 hi all! Nov 05 00:21:14 TQOS! Nov 05 00:21:21 Bmyers!!!! Nov 05 00:21:39 how r things? Nov 05 00:22:11 good! i have the house to myself...funny how I consider that a gift...LOL Nov 05 00:22:25 what are you up to? Nov 05 00:22:27 naked with the stereo cranked? Nov 05 00:22:33 you know it Nov 05 00:22:45 what a coinceidence Nov 05 00:23:02 you too? Nov 05 00:23:06 i have the stereo on too! Nov 05 00:23:09 lol Nov 05 00:23:33 but pj's cause it's freez'n here Nov 05 00:24:02 so my assistant sent a status report to my personal email...and now i have 38 work emails to sift through Nov 05 00:24:15 so i'm gonna forward each one to his personal email Nov 05 00:24:19 nice Nov 05 00:25:12 payback is Nov 05 00:25:24 yes it is Nov 05 00:26:28 dev days are coming.. you? Nov 05 00:26:56 i can't i really wish i could but there's just no way Nov 05 00:27:08 * rwhitby is heartbroken Nov 05 00:27:10 so you're gonna have to fill me in on all the details Nov 05 00:27:13 rod!!! Nov 05 00:28:23 sure. we'll be sure to twitter you until your facebook turns blue Nov 05 00:28:33 lol Nov 05 00:29:00 take lots of pictures! Nov 05 00:29:12 if the internet connection is good enough there, I'm going to run a skype call on my laptop for selected special people Nov 05 00:29:29 doitdoitdoit Nov 05 00:29:32 i should have 4g there Nov 05 00:29:37 cool!! if i'm one send me the number Nov 05 00:29:49 JenP: how could you doubt. Nov 05 00:29:59 rwhitby: how could I get "special"? :) Nov 05 00:30:01 * halfhalo had planned on qiking it Nov 05 00:30:08 giggles Nov 05 00:30:21 qiking? what's that? Nov 05 00:30:36 live streaming from android/iphones to the web Nov 05 00:30:38 sounds a bit like toothing Nov 05 00:32:26 sigh...i'm so happy it's almost Friday Nov 05 00:33:15 what happens friday? you get the house again? Nov 05 00:34:04 im not that lucky...LOL Nov 05 00:34:30 friday = 10 hr day! Nov 05 00:35:02 only 1 thing i like doing for 10 hrs str8 Nov 05 00:35:10 sleep Nov 05 00:35:29 LOL i can't remember the last time I slept that long Nov 05 00:36:13 did you see sugardave is in chile ? Nov 05 00:36:28 no? Nov 05 00:36:44 some minors class he's giving there Nov 05 00:36:53 er Nov 05 00:36:56 seriously? Nov 05 00:37:44 his doing some training class Nov 05 00:37:51 cool Nov 05 00:37:59 south of the equator for the first time Nov 05 00:38:06 ohhhh Nov 05 00:38:19 yeah THAT chile Nov 05 00:39:07 lol Nov 05 00:39:22 ever watch the HBO series "OZ" Nov 05 00:39:38 really interesting... Nov 05 00:39:53 that the jail one? Nov 05 00:39:59 yeah Nov 05 00:40:29 i keep wondering if prison is really like that Nov 05 00:40:37 hbo is really like that... Nov 05 00:40:52 LOL Nov 05 00:42:52 JenP: only one way to find out Nov 05 00:44:44 hi haeffb_pre Nov 05 00:45:35 'sup? Nov 05 00:46:05 lol but this is 'guy' prison... Nov 05 00:48:09 Bmyers: she's definitely out Nov 05 00:48:59 you ever see mtv2 on a friday night haeffb_pre ? Nov 05 00:50:09 negative Nov 05 00:50:30 you're a football fan so i thought maybe Nov 05 00:53:19 when you download the webos doctor from the official website where does the actual file get saved too? Nov 05 00:53:38 is it something I need to see? Nov 05 01:05:52 are there any screenshots of the webos 2.0 music app Nov 05 01:11:23 xbonesx: use the direct URL from the wiki Nov 05 01:51:33 I'm going to make the mistake of making a joke that is months old Nov 05 01:51:41 I for one welcome our new HP overlords Nov 05 01:51:45 that is all Nov 05 01:52:01 no joke Nov 05 01:52:15 no joke? Nov 05 02:04:21 no. joke. Nov 05 02:32:41 hi all Nov 05 02:33:41 hiya Nov 05 02:33:50 hi JenP Nov 05 02:34:41 I think I have asked this question earlier but I wasn't that familiar with css and I didn't understand the answer.... Nov 05 02:35:07 I have a header div above a List widget Nov 05 02:35:27 k Nov 05 02:35:30 I want the header div to stay stuck to the top of the screen while the list widget scrolls below it Nov 05 02:35:38 Im not sure how to make this happen using css Nov 05 02:36:09 have you set the z-index for the header? Nov 05 02:36:40 as in the z-index for the header should be higher than the list widget ? Nov 05 02:36:49 no I haven't set a z-index Nov 05 02:36:53 position: fixed; Nov 05 02:36:58 try it Nov 05 02:37:03 oil! Nov 05 02:37:05 cool thanks, I'll try Nov 05 02:37:08 * JenP waves Nov 05 02:37:23 hey Nov 05 02:38:40 while z-index is important, its position: fixed; which makes it stay while the scene scrolls Nov 05 02:39:13 but don't you need z-index to enable the scrolling under? Nov 05 02:40:02 z-index is just to make sure its above the list Nov 05 02:40:07 like, stacked Nov 05 02:40:11 nodnod Nov 05 02:40:13 the position:fixed did the trick - now I have the header above the list widget... is there any way to force the list widget to stay below the header div ? Nov 05 02:41:05 put
before the list widget div Nov 05 02:41:11 er Nov 05 02:41:23 er, height: {heightofheader}px that is Nov 05 02:41:39 cool - got it Nov 05 02:42:06 oh and I did require the z-index to force the header in front of the list widget Nov 05 02:43:01 cool! Nov 05 02:43:49 * oil high-fives JenP Nov 05 02:44:14 lol Nov 05 02:48:48 so I have a horizontal scroller in the header, setting position:fixed on the parent div kind of freezes it, any work arounds ? Nov 05 02:59:30 remone scene scroller, add a scroller around the list **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010