**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010 Nov 05 03:00:18 haeffb_pre: erm how's that ? Nov 05 03:01:29 if you remove scene scroller you don't need position: fixed for the header Nov 05 03:02:09 but then you have to add a scroller to the list Nov 05 03:02:39 if you want the list to scroll Nov 05 03:03:20 ah neat, how do I remove the scene scroller ? Nov 05 03:04:34 disableSceneScroller in pushcehen Nov 05 03:04:41 pushscene I mean Nov 05 03:08:27 yep Nov 05 03:10:15 hmm. something is getting corrupted in my app Nov 05 03:10:32 erm how do I add the scroller back to the list ? Nov 05 03:10:40 can you use the value of this by calling a function often? Nov 05 03:11:00 infiniteloop: you can't after you push it. Nov 05 03:11:13 you can make your own scroller if you want Nov 05 03:11:17 ah ic Nov 05 03:11:24 *lose the value* Nov 05 03:16:43 haeffb: is there a way to get a formatter to run after setting up the list? Nov 05 03:17:34 no I don't think so. They're run when the list item is rendered. Nov 05 03:17:51 hrm. then what's hte best way to be able to update lots of items dynamically? Nov 05 03:17:57 Or I mean... yes. They're run when the list item is rendered Nov 05 03:18:06 I think my issue is I have to call this.controller.get() Nov 05 03:18:16 for ? Nov 05 03:18:27 for each time I click a button Nov 05 03:18:35 for ? Nov 05 03:18:37 I have each item have a specific id with templates Nov 05 03:18:55 haeffb: like why? Nov 05 03:18:59 what's my reason? Nov 05 03:19:04 like yeah Nov 05 03:19:37 what are you doing when the button is clicked? Nov 05 03:19:41 like Nov 05 03:20:12 I'm doing a this.controller.get() call and adding a class to it. Nov 05 03:20:28 adding a class to a list item? Nov 05 03:20:32 yes Nov 05 03:20:47 is there a button in each list item? Nov 05 03:20:56 no Nov 05 03:21:00 it's a command menu Nov 05 03:21:15 so you add a class to every item on button click? Nov 05 03:21:43 or you have selected a single item and add a class on button click? Nov 05 03:21:53 I add a class to a specific item on a button click Nov 05 03:22:14 I remove the class from an item, and give it to a different item. Nov 05 03:22:42 invalidateItems() Nov 05 03:23:01 what does that do? Nov 05 03:23:08 any examples on making my own scroller ? Nov 05 03:23:14 invalidateItems(offset, limit) will cause limit # of items to be redrawn, starting at offset. Nov 05 03:23:16 oh Nov 05 03:23:29 I'd avoid adding id's to the list items, Nov 05 03:23:38 but that's just me. Nov 05 03:23:49 infiniteloop: maybe on http://www.webos101.com Nov 05 03:23:51 haeffb: how would I accomplish what I want to do? Nov 05 03:23:54 thanks Nov 05 03:24:19 do you know the index of the items you want to modify when you click the button? Nov 05 03:24:19 I'm all for not using them, but I can't come up with a better solution. Nov 05 03:24:24 yes Nov 05 03:24:35 and you have formatters? Nov 05 03:24:36 should I make it a item property? Nov 05 03:24:43 yes Nov 05 03:25:05 just change an item property and use formatters to change the class based on that property. invalidateItems should redraw those. Nov 05 03:25:17 if you know the offset(s) Nov 05 03:25:54 I haven't done anything similar, but that should work... ? Nov 05 03:26:13 lemme see Nov 05 03:27:36 brilliant! Nov 05 03:27:40 invalidate is what I needed Nov 05 03:28:25 haeffb: you rock Nov 05 04:40:22 rwhitby spotting on palmpre-france lol Nov 05 04:48:33 am having issues uninstalling advanced configuration app Nov 05 04:48:45 can someone help Nov 05 04:49:08 gets stuck Nov 05 04:49:33 can neither update it nor remove it Nov 05 04:54:21 torchie: parlez vous francaise? Nov 05 04:56:21 le vanche est noir Nov 05 04:57:57 non Nov 05 04:58:00 wish I did Nov 05 04:58:44 i failed every french class i ever took Nov 05 04:59:22 I never took one! Nov 05 04:59:44 i took a few in HS Nov 05 05:00:19 if u join the french foreign legion, they teach u french for free Nov 05 05:02:11 yeah but then you'd be in the french foreign legion Nov 05 05:02:21 yeah for 5 years Nov 05 05:02:51 I feel like there might be better ways to learn french for free Nov 05 05:02:54 that's like joining the green beret for exercise Nov 05 05:03:13 lol Nov 05 05:03:20 I'm so badass I joined the french foreign legion... as a language elective. Nov 05 05:03:35 awesome Nov 05 05:03:54 then they send u to the ivory coast Nov 05 05:04:13 I applied for a job as a senior engineer at apple... to learn how to check my email. Nov 05 05:04:14 or afghanistan Nov 05 05:05:05 torchie: lol, that is awesome, Nov 05 05:05:25 technology these days man Nov 05 05:05:36 i joined the google team to learn how to use the "lucky" button Nov 05 05:06:06 i do not work for goog btw Nov 05 05:06:13 I dived out of a helicopter into the atlantic ocean to figure out the backstroke Nov 05 05:06:19 lol Nov 05 05:07:15 u should join the seals, so u can learn how to swim Nov 05 05:08:20 i hear it is the thing to do, swimming lessons with the navy seals Nov 05 05:09:12 and go on secret missions to learn how to play hide-and-go-seek the proper way Nov 05 05:10:09 so damn boring here in mexico Nov 05 05:14:19 very interesing video before photoshop, the russians already had an image editing system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2PsiJXswiM Nov 05 05:38:34 test Nov 05 05:39:27 anotherDev: 123 Nov 05 05:40:05 cool, I just added the wIRC app and I was making sure it worked Nov 05 05:53:25 note don't close the origin card or you get stuck until a restart of the phone Nov 05 05:53:48 origin card? Nov 05 05:54:20 in wIRC. you have the launch card Nov 05 05:54:34 even if you toss the other cards first it still happens sometimes Nov 05 05:54:42 its a bug in 145 Nov 05 05:54:46 when you join a new room in freenode it launches another carf Nov 05 05:54:50 there is no stage, yet hte app still runs Nov 05 05:55:16 yeah I saw in jstop Nov 05 05:55:26 you guys ever have that issue with wirc Nov 05 05:55:34 yeah, you can kill it with jstop and then relaunch it Nov 05 05:55:36 I couldn't terminate it though Nov 05 05:55:37 where you start the app and it just gets stuck on the loading app screen Nov 05 05:55:41 but it doesn't always happen Nov 05 05:55:57 when that happens, toss that card Nov 05 05:56:04 then swipe-delete the one in jstop Nov 05 05:56:08 then relaunch iot Nov 05 05:56:08 yeah that's what we are talkin about Nov 05 05:56:12 it* Nov 05 05:56:56 oil: hows the bat drain actively using wirc? Nov 05 05:57:27 depends on how many channels you have open/how active theyare Nov 05 05:58:21 just hte fact you have the screen on more looking at it drains more battery Nov 05 05:59:04 true, I just know aim is a big drain in the messaging app Nov 05 06:00:32 ok I'm out Nov 05 06:02:59 oh, he left, but it doesnt feel like it drains as much as aim does to me Nov 05 07:36:05 good morning Nov 05 08:39:39 <[AD]Turbo> yo all Nov 05 08:46:37 hi Nov 05 10:02:59 I start to understand why the MS guy who talked about WP7 said JS was crap, they are way behind! Nov 05 11:37:38 morning Nov 05 11:39:21 hey chile man Nov 05 11:40:36 last day Nov 05 11:41:04 whats been to best part so far? Nov 05 11:41:05 but my flight doesn't leave until 10 pm Nov 05 11:41:30 not getting mugged by Chilean transients on my wa yback to the hotel each night Nov 05 11:42:07 I did go down the wrong street the other day, past a small army of them all trying to get my attention Nov 05 11:42:08 why? Nov 05 11:42:29 hotdp: why is that the best part? because the opposite is bad Nov 05 11:42:31 they prolly just thought you were cute Nov 05 11:42:37 well, yeah Nov 05 11:42:59 why do you get mugged? Nov 05 11:43:18 lol i read what you said all wrong Nov 05 11:43:25 sorry sugardave_ i understand now Nov 05 11:43:31 haha Nov 05 12:08:52 Is there a way to actually restore data from Backup without deleting all data? Nov 05 12:33:23 Xanaduuuuu......XaAaAnaDUUUUU Nov 05 12:33:27 it's Xanadu Nov 05 12:33:38 great, now that damn song is stuck in my head Nov 05 12:40:31 come on sugardave_ , who doesnt love ONJ Nov 05 12:55:41 * sugardave_ refreshes Sales Reports again. "Still no October." Nov 05 12:57:45 have you over 100 buks? Nov 05 13:33:34 hotdp: probably, but I need the numbers so I can pay my API fee for one of them Nov 05 13:33:57 I'm talking about the reports from the dev portal, they just haven't been updated to show October's numbers yet Nov 05 14:18:01 hi Templarian Nov 05 14:18:08 hows w7 treating you? Nov 05 14:18:47 Bmyers: pretty good. How is the webOS front going? Nov 05 14:19:18 like a red-headed step child Nov 05 14:19:40 beat down, but feisty and prone to alcoholism? Nov 05 14:19:57 pretty much Nov 05 14:20:07 Do I have to open source my add-on or have most of you guys moved on? Nov 05 14:20:19 you should Nov 05 14:20:32 i'm sure someone would pick it up Nov 05 14:20:54 Templarian: it would be cool if you did, and if we get it working for 2.0 I'd probably switch back to Komodo...your package/run macros are better Nov 05 14:21:14 eclipse can be frustrating for webos Nov 05 14:21:17 I'll go throw it online and write a quick overview of what needs to be fixed. Nov 05 14:21:24 cool :D Nov 05 14:21:26 Google codes fine right? Nov 05 14:21:31 sure Nov 05 14:22:47 You guys should jump ship it would be nice to have some other webOS switchers. Nov 05 14:23:57 i got an evo but haven't had much time for devel'n on it Nov 05 14:24:29 real life is real pain Nov 05 14:26:55 Yea, I'm calling t-mobile and seeing if I can play with the phones sunday. If so I'm just ordering it online. Nov 05 15:03:31 Okay Bmyers, sugardave_... it has been done. http://community.activestate.com/xpi/webos Nov 05 15:05:45 Syncing all 100+ icons takes a while. Nov 05 15:06:59 you''re a good man Templarian Nov 05 15:08:39 Considering all the hours I put into writing and rewriting that addon hopefully someone find the time to edit the project stuff (it's actually not too bad simply deleting the project related stuff and hard coding it to the current project would probably fix it. Nov 05 15:09:40 i'm sure sugardave_ will continue on with your work. he loves learning new stuff Nov 05 15:10:54 Templarian: cool, thanks :D Nov 05 15:24:05 whee, 94% now...I still can't figure out why sometimes the chipin thing shows 79% still...that was DAYS ago Nov 05 15:33:20 came across a website that describes hacking the palm inductive coil to a htc evo to use a TS Nov 05 16:48:06 chuqui: any news from "others" about my forum request re: wiki? Nov 05 16:48:40 we're talking. I'll get back to you later today. Nov 05 16:52:27 a palm hosted wiki? Nov 05 16:54:29 quickie wiki Nov 05 16:57:26 chuqui: cool, thanks :D Nov 05 17:08:31 http://www.imgzzz.com/i/image_1288114243.gif - lmao Nov 05 17:28:58 yay, sugardaves at devdays Nov 05 18:56:51 my (completely inaccurate and wholly unfounded) prediction: stingray/mantaray are a tablet and a netbook Nov 05 18:58:40 sugardave_: I'd rather see 2 sizes of tablet, personally Nov 05 18:58:54 why does everyone hate a netbook? :P Nov 05 18:59:20 if it was a convertible netbook, I'd be ok with that too Nov 05 18:59:30 but I don't want a traditionally netbook formfactor and a touch screen Nov 05 18:59:32 i've only used netbooks a fewtimes Nov 05 18:59:36 too small for me Nov 05 18:59:37 what is that? flatten, rotating screen? Nov 05 18:59:41 yes Nov 05 18:59:46 when my finger takes up 50% of the trackpad, something is wrong Nov 05 18:59:50 that would be cool, yeah Nov 05 19:00:06 eh, convertibles, im not a fan of them either Nov 05 19:00:20 oilsworkn: haha, I've never used one and always thought they were small, too...but some people like them, more markets, etc... Nov 05 19:00:21 * oilsworkn actually has to replace the hinge of a thinkpad x60 tablet today Nov 05 19:00:54 oilsworkn: well, I can understand the desire for a keyboard/tablet combo Nov 05 19:00:57 not looking forward to that, gotta remove EVERYTHING to get it out Nov 05 19:01:18 really, i dont have a place for another device Nov 05 19:01:38 smartphone, desktop, laptop Nov 05 19:01:42 i rarely use the laptop as is Nov 05 19:01:45 I've been eyeing a tablet Nov 05 19:01:52 I want something paper sized to read Nov 05 19:02:21 * oilsworkn prefers dead tree books over the digital kind Nov 05 19:02:23 I'd rather use a laptop, tablet, smartphone Nov 05 19:03:06 most ppl dont leave home with their tablet Nov 05 19:03:47 see Nov 05 19:03:53 but if im at home, im at my desktop Nov 05 19:04:05 and a tablet isn't going to replace that thing Nov 05 19:04:09 I see folks with iPads at the most random places Nov 05 19:04:21 some market study i saw somewhere Nov 05 19:04:28 as i say "most ppl Nov 05 19:04:33 I worked at CMU doing research this summer, there was a guy with his iPad at the urinal >:( Nov 05 19:04:41 dohtem: thats because its a status symbol Nov 05 19:04:59 oilsworkn: sadly, yes Nov 05 19:05:00 urinal + ipad sounds like a recipe for disaster Nov 05 19:05:00 i have my own status symbol at the urinal Nov 05 19:05:12 Bmyers: nice Nov 05 19:05:13 hi-yoooo Nov 05 19:05:13 haha Nov 05 19:05:18 oilsworkn: I frequently use my phone at the urinal! Nov 05 19:05:24 yeah, as do i Nov 05 19:05:30 but thats a easy to use one hand device Nov 05 19:05:31 one time my old Blackberry fell into a bar toilet Nov 05 19:05:36 using your phone at the urinal is significantly different than an iPad Nov 05 19:05:38 not a 12 inch slab of metal and glass Nov 05 19:05:50 not metal and glass... true.. Nov 05 19:05:51 I remember thinking in those 3 seconds, should I or shouldn't I Nov 05 19:06:12 * oilsworkn would reach in after his phone Nov 05 19:06:22 me too Nov 05 19:06:26 you can wash your hand Nov 05 19:06:32 nothing soap can't fix Nov 05 19:06:37 but you've got short amounts of time to try and save your phone Nov 05 19:06:39 what about the phone tho? Nov 05 19:06:50 gona wash that? Nov 05 19:06:54 or the "flush everything down and snatch the device out when the water level is lowest" Nov 05 19:06:57 at least the outside, yeah Nov 05 19:06:58 done that to get my keys out before Nov 05 19:08:33 haha... your keys might go first Nov 05 19:08:38 when you flush Nov 05 19:09:08 naw, it was fine Nov 05 19:09:21 got one of those climbing things on it Nov 05 19:09:30 the gravitational forces between technology and toilet are too great. i keep 'm seperated.. Nov 05 19:11:36 lol Nov 05 20:11:21 how would i go about getting the id of a custom div that i'm listening to for Mojo.Event.tap ? Nov 05 20:13:35 derp Nov 05 20:24:32 maik: look at the html? Nov 05 20:25:06 or are you listening to multiple divs and need to determine which one was tapped? Nov 05 20:25:22 if that, either event.target.id or event.currentTarget.id might have it Nov 05 20:30:41 thanks, went about it differently though, realizing this is probably more efficient Nov 05 20:38:24 chuqui: I'm about to be un-tethered from Internet connectivity for about 18 hours. If you want, you can email me what the discussion determined (sugardave, gmail) or just update the thread...thanks! Nov 05 21:28:25 chuqui: one thought: as you guys transition to hp, can you fight hard to avoid interfaces like this: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?template_type=landing&landing=notebooks ? :D Nov 05 21:28:40 information overload Nov 05 21:31:44 and I do not in any way mean that to be criticism of our new HP overlords Nov 05 21:36:53 is there a way to left align text in a view menu? Nov 05 21:50:24 trying to win an iPad with a mobile competition at school Nov 05 21:50:34 need to write a mobile application/web App for android/iphone Nov 05 21:50:54 so I am working on this drawing web app that you'll be able to draw with others interactively Nov 05 21:51:08 but the iOS browser has no websocket support! Nov 05 21:51:10 bummer Nov 05 22:03:53 hello Nov 05 22:04:53 hmm. just got email: http://webos.pastebin.com/7yrLu0bp Nov 05 22:06:00 Tibfib: cool - can she program in Mojo ? Nov 05 22:06:31 I hope so Nov 05 22:09:58 english language syntax error detected on lines 2 and 3 Nov 05 22:22:04 Do u think webos can make a comeback? Nov 05 22:23:10 you have to have been down to make a comeback Nov 05 22:24:45 You have to be up at one point to make a comeback. Seriously though Nov 05 22:25:23 lets look long term Nov 05 22:25:28 and internationally Nov 05 22:25:43 the mobile smartphone market is relatively young Nov 05 22:25:51 ~ 3 years Nov 05 22:26:11 if we consider the iphone the start of the intergrated solution mobile smartphone market war Nov 05 22:26:15 I think it is down. Way down too and going down Nov 05 22:26:31 renegaid: yeah but that's very short sighted Nov 05 22:26:38 the mobile market is just beginning Nov 05 22:27:00 Differenced is iphone kept going up Nov 05 22:27:11 and anyone who makes the best product is going to be able to shift the tables Nov 05 22:27:19 like the PC market Nov 05 22:27:33 who would have predicted that mac would have 20% market share in the most recent corner? Nov 05 22:27:39 The last us market share I saw show palm losing share Nov 05 22:27:43 or apple for that matter Nov 05 22:27:52 if you were looking at apple 10 years ago you would say it was impossible Nov 05 22:28:01 but with a more long term view, clearly they've prospered Nov 05 22:28:12 The global smartphone market is expanding 55% year on year at the moment. Nov 05 22:28:29 But anyway I was wondering what would it take for webos to gain support. Nov 05 22:29:02 Mac does not have 20% share Nov 05 22:29:22 20% of computers sold in the last quarter were macs Nov 05 22:29:49 it will take better hardware, and a more integrated platform Nov 05 22:29:52 and hp has both of those Nov 05 22:30:23 2.0 does not cut it imo Nov 05 22:30:29 Apple has less than 15% of global smartphone sales in 2010Q2. Nov 05 22:30:46 Symbian is still the leader at 40+% Nov 05 22:30:54 I find webos is lacking so much and taking so long Nov 05 22:31:01 rwhitby: not smartphones, just phones in general? Nov 05 22:31:07 smartphones Nov 05 22:31:15 Windows 7 barely out the door and got developers flocking Nov 05 22:31:29 alexfner: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013 Nov 05 22:32:15 alexfner: for phones in general, apple is less than 5% in that quarter Nov 05 22:32:29 ah yes, certainly Nov 05 22:32:50 US folks usually have a skewed perception of global sales and market share of mobile devices ;) Nov 05 22:33:14 nice, iOS 4.2 has websockets available Nov 05 22:33:19 now now Nov 05 22:33:27 I am aware that nokia leads the way globally Nov 05 22:33:39 Usa is where most of the money is Nov 05 22:33:43 alexfner: ah, but you are one of the enlightened few Nov 05 22:33:48 but they're also very clearly on the decline Nov 05 22:33:54 renegaid: that is just a silly statement Nov 05 22:34:07 Nokia been trying hard to get in the usa. I remember one point nokia was big here but that died Nov 05 22:34:08 renegaid: they committed $1 billion to push the wp7. Nov 05 22:34:20 that's an ass load of cash Nov 05 22:36:16 renegaid: US mobile sales don't come near to European mobile sales, and both of those are just a drop in the ocean compared to Japan, and the rest of Asia, with India and China growth rate outstripping all of the above. Nov 05 22:36:47 I don't know man. I'm losing faith in webos. When I got it was cool since expectations were low Nov 05 22:36:50 compared to (Japan + the rest of Asia), not Japan by itself of course Nov 05 22:37:18 Year passed then just a few weeks used my upgrade for an android phoneand damn. Nov 05 22:37:43 Webos is so far behind Nov 05 22:38:03 rwhitby: yeah but if you look at the profit margins, and the types of platforms sold in the United States and Europe versus Asia, they are very different Nov 05 22:39:00 alexfner: agreed - the rest of the world doesn't get ripped off as much as the carrier-locked-in US consumers ;) Nov 05 22:39:24 renegaid: trying to convince us or yourself? Nov 05 22:39:29 hah, no I mean as far as the integrated solution model, and high cost smart phone sales Nov 05 22:39:55 alexfner: although I wish I had your unlimited data plans, although it looks like you wont have those for much longer anyway ... Nov 05 22:40:51 rwhitby: yeah but unlimited plans don't make sense, and they usually aren't truly unlimited in the US Nov 05 22:41:18 they're a very old model for data usage that made sense when you couldn't fathom a phone using more than 5GB in a month Nov 05 22:41:37 I think the most frustrating thing about the US model is that I pay for data + minutes / month, and whatever I don't use is gone Nov 05 22:41:44 Back in the day unlimited data was 15 bucks Nov 05 22:42:05 I would much rather pay for data / minutes as I use them Nov 05 22:42:18 so if I buy 2GB I get to use it all Nov 05 22:42:26 renegaid: yeah, on GPRS and EDGE Nov 05 22:42:38 and what we're seeing with the pay per usage model is that it's not going this way Nov 05 22:42:48 I pay 129 for two lines unlimite everything. Cheap compared to other carriers Nov 05 22:42:54 it's going to 2GB / month and if you don't use it it's gone Nov 05 22:43:32 Sprint wouldntbe doing that Nov 05 22:43:40 yeah they will Nov 05 22:43:42 They cannot monitor 4g data Nov 05 22:43:55 renegaid: what does that mean? ofcourse they can! Nov 05 22:44:02 That's why they added 10 bucks for unlimited data Nov 05 22:44:11 Nope they cannot. Google Nov 05 22:44:39 The 4g network isn't even theirs Nov 05 22:44:48 I think you need to make your point more clear Nov 05 22:44:49 Wiimax Nov 05 22:45:02 they own the company, clearWire who owns the network Nov 05 22:45:14 They do not own the company Nov 05 22:45:21 they have a 51% stake in it Nov 05 22:45:24 so yes they do Nov 05 22:45:31 A company cannot own a corporation. Nov 05 22:45:36 ugh Nov 05 22:45:38 semantics Nov 05 22:46:09 Sprint has it in their power to limit 4G data usage for their users if they choose Nov 05 22:46:24 you wouldn't pay a company to build out a network infrastructure without that available Nov 05 22:46:24 Having 51% shares does not mean they own them. They get to vote for the board. Nov 05 22:46:27 it'd be stupid Nov 05 22:46:28 they limit it for my 4g Nov 05 22:46:35 exactly Nov 05 22:46:48 they could shoot down 12 Mbits/sec to a phone if they chose to Nov 05 22:46:49 it's not available in my area so my 4g usage is 0kb Nov 05 22:46:54 There is no limit for 4g Nov 05 22:46:59 but i still have to pay the 10 bux Nov 05 22:47:17 renegaid: I'm not arguing about the 4G limit NOW Nov 05 22:47:27 renegaid: but clearly the future is not in unlimited plans Nov 05 22:48:49 yes it is. Nov 05 22:49:04 my fiber is unlimited. Nov 05 22:49:59 haeffb_pre: we're speaking of mobile Nov 05 22:50:01 the future is in whatever is profitable Nov 05 22:50:06 very different contexts Nov 05 22:50:28 yeah, so? Nov 05 22:50:33 haeffb_pre: actually, your fibre does have a limit, but just not one that you're likely to reach ;) Nov 05 22:50:59 today, yes. not necessarliy in "the future" Nov 05 22:51:06 what do you mean, yeah, so. You want to compare apples to oranges? Oranges are not apples Nov 05 22:51:10 rwhitby: true. Nov 05 22:51:39 there is a physical limit Nov 05 22:51:54 but not an arbitrarily imposed one Nov 05 22:52:24 * rwhitby imagines 20 years from now "Gee that fibre stuff was so limiting. I'd never be able to do complete Library of Congress downloads each night without " Nov 05 22:52:29 haeffb_pre: well there is an imposed limit, but it's not arbitrary Nov 05 22:52:30 There was an article on engadget on why sprint charged everyone regardless if they can get the wiimax service. They have no way of monitoring it Nov 05 22:52:53 alexfner: i'm talking about the 40G future, not 4G Nov 05 22:53:11 well if they cant i'll run a wifi share at dev days Nov 05 22:53:23 renegaid: rubbish. they may not have a way in place now to monitor it, but if they wanted to monitor it they could. network usage monitoring technology is far in advance of what the carriers actually use. Nov 05 22:53:26 Sometimes I dowload over 100gb of data a month at home. No issues Nov 05 22:53:58 renegaid: it just makes more sense to charge users with 4G phones for 4G data than not. You make more money, and they get a better user experience when they're in 4G coverage Nov 05 22:54:19 man speaking about some of these things over IRC is frustrating Nov 05 22:54:27 lol Nov 05 22:54:43 4G charges are just the normal early adopter tax. you would not expect anything less from a carrier. Nov 05 22:54:44 hey, amazingly I found some free wifi at the airport :D Nov 05 22:54:53 4g is pretty good here in ny. Browsing is so fast. Hell I even dwnloaded a torrent Nov 05 22:55:05 sugardave_: that's not too rare anymore. :) Nov 05 22:55:10 elementary spanish pays off as I heard "uno dos tres uno dos" Nov 05 22:55:16 renegaid: over phone or are you using a 4G modem? Nov 05 22:55:21 ta-da Nov 05 22:55:22 that sounds like a 64-bit wep key to me :D Nov 05 22:55:23 12312 Nov 05 22:55:23 Phone Nov 05 22:55:38 dohtem: every freaking airport I've been in except Denver costs money Nov 05 22:55:43 lol Nov 05 22:55:55 hey, what do you guys think - http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/267970-5-developers-working-webos-apps-only-4-would-interested-future.html Nov 05 22:55:56 data wants to be free! Nov 05 22:56:12 haeffb_pre: data can pay the toll! Nov 05 22:56:41 the man is keeping data down Nov 05 22:57:42 knowledge wants to be free, knowledge is power....free power! Nov 05 22:58:05 dohtem: I'm proud to be part of the 5% Nov 05 22:58:14 dohtem: sad but not surprising Nov 05 22:58:24 I will dev on this platform (and potentially only this one) until it dies or I do Nov 05 22:58:36 * dohtem loads up shotgun Nov 05 22:58:38 THAT'S how hardcore _I_ am Nov 05 22:58:48