**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 07 02:59:58 2010 Nov 07 03:48:09 anyone else used the app "pringtones"? I had it about a week ago and I formatted my phone and now it doesn't show up in the app catalog Nov 07 03:50:18 xbonesx: answer: no Nov 07 03:51:11 lol Nov 07 03:51:17 HEY ALL! :D Nov 07 03:51:30 thanks for that what kinda seemed obvious hahaha Nov 07 03:51:47 JenP! Nov 07 03:52:00 dkirker! Nov 07 03:52:05 ChanServ! Nov 07 03:52:10 All of my favorite people are here! Nov 07 03:52:15 Except for Ani... Nov 07 03:52:48 Hi there, developer community, i have recently migrated from PalmOS programming, and wanted to develop for webOS. I have several questions, since i can't seem to know how to start. Nov 07 03:53:14 alberto: I'm happy to answer questions! Nov 07 03:53:33 Firstly, can anyone please answer me how i can accomplish simple tasks such as open and use files, set up arrays, etc. Nov 07 03:53:49 Are we talking about the SDK or the PDK? Nov 07 03:54:02 SDK Nov 07 03:54:14 no files for you Nov 07 03:54:14 Do you have any JS knowledge? Nov 07 03:54:17 Well Nov 07 03:54:24 You can get basic file stuff Nov 07 03:54:44 If you use node, I think you can get some very very basic stuff Nov 07 03:55:13 And using Ajax and cloud services, you can manage some very very basic file creation and stuff. Nov 07 03:55:24 Nope, i'm still not introduced to JS Nov 07 03:55:42 Well that's the logical first step Nov 07 03:55:59 But i know how to set up web pages and stuff Nov 07 03:56:00 Look up some tutorials Nov 07 03:56:04 On JS Nov 07 03:56:15 Then look at hello world at the Palm Dev Portal Nov 07 03:56:24 And i have already read how webOS is organyzed. Nov 07 03:56:36 I have sucessfully done those steps. Nov 07 03:56:37 KESNE!!!! Nov 07 03:56:42 JENP!!!!!!!! Nov 07 03:57:00 I have hello world running on my pre, and several samples. Nov 07 03:57:05 That's good Nov 07 03:57:19 Where you move from there is dependent on how you learn Nov 07 03:57:30 alberto have you set up your emulator and all that? Nov 07 03:57:31 For me, it's just a "Dive in, think later" approach. Nov 07 03:57:45 JenP: how's it going? Nov 07 03:58:07 good! Did you see the weather apps out? Nov 07 03:58:21 Yes, I did Nov 07 03:58:23 Yes, SDK + Novacom + Emulator running, plus i can install ipk files to my physical pre Nov 07 03:58:30 and what did you think? Nov 07 03:59:05 JenP: I didn't get it, we're talking the Tasty Toons one right? Nov 07 03:59:06 alberto: cool...then i'm with kesne dive in to some tutorials and come back with questions Nov 07 03:59:13 yeah tasty weather toons Nov 07 03:59:14 Roy-Pre101: I will at some point continue updating wos101, just been busy. Carry on! Nov 07 03:59:17 So, how can i save data? I plan on doing an organyzer, and i need to save a schedule, tasks, important dates, you know Nov 07 03:59:25 Didn't get it, tast toons isn't my thing Nov 07 03:59:25 pm you email i'll send it Nov 07 04:00:00 kk no worries then Nov 07 04:00:01 Then, the underlying programming language is JS? Nov 07 04:00:17 alberto: Cookies, SQLite, DB8 Nov 07 04:00:32 I mean, HTML and CSS is used, but i can use javascript to develop, then? Nov 07 04:00:34 JenP: Just seems too... innapropriate, for me Nov 07 04:00:39 alberto: Yep Nov 07 04:00:58 lol no worries Nov 07 04:00:59 HTML/CSS is the UI stuff, JS manages everything else Nov 07 04:03:07 kesne: how is it handled? Like a small local SQLite server? Nov 07 04:03:41 I don't know how webOS technically handles it Nov 07 04:03:51 I know how you would handle it though Nov 07 04:03:56 Which were you asking? Nov 07 04:04:13 Well, how i shall handle it, i meant... Nov 07 04:04:39 Oh Nov 07 04:04:41 Cupcakes Nov 07 04:04:51 It's a SQLite wrapper for apps Nov 07 04:05:08 there are other ways to do it, but based on experience, i'd reccoment cupcakes Nov 07 04:05:22 Here's a link to it Nov 07 04:05:22 http://www.webos101.com/SQLite_Cookie_Replacement Nov 07 04:06:12 Thanks for the link Nov 07 04:07:01 It's got some assumed knowledge in there, but work with it and read the documentation and it shouldn't be too hard Nov 07 04:35:12 wow I just did something tremendously dumb Nov 07 04:35:20 spent a half hour programming a color wheel Nov 07 04:35:26 when I could've just used an image Nov 07 04:37:03 dont reinvent the wheel Nov 07 04:37:12 when you can use an image Nov 07 04:37:14 unless is a square wheel Nov 07 04:37:42 I mean, a 2d canvas color wheel would be cool, no doubt Nov 07 04:37:45 but unnecessary Nov 07 04:37:57 when I can just use the image! Nov 07 04:39:07 but it's a *damn fine* color wheel I just made Nov 07 04:41:11 someone get alexfner a cookie for his color wheel Nov 07 04:41:24 that's all I wanted! How did you know :D Nov 07 04:41:27 take a snapshot and I'll hang it on my fridge Nov 07 04:43:02 You're the greatest dad! Nov 07 04:43:39 thats what my little girl says too. Nov 07 04:44:05 right b4 she calls me stupid for not feeding her an entire bag a cheesie poofs Nov 07 04:59:48 alexfner: You're forgiven. :) Nov 07 04:59:55 yea! Nov 07 04:59:57 whoo hoo! Nov 07 05:00:00 *party time* Nov 07 05:32:47 anyone want to play with a little websocket experiment I am working on? Nov 07 06:18:53 anybody know what video formats the pre can play Nov 07 06:19:21 I've created a mp4 with the same settings as the built-in sample video, but it refuses to play it Nov 07 06:20:33 hmm Nov 07 06:21:36 creationix: I think there's a list at the back of the user manual in the specifications area. dunno if it's detailed enough for your purposes though. Nov 07 06:21:42 mp4 h.264Video Formats: MPEG-4, H.263, H.264; Nov 07 06:24:30 here is what gnome calls my video http://creationix.com/settings.png Nov 07 06:24:44 it's the exact same as the sample video that comes with the phone Nov 07 06:25:06 I'm also using mp4 version 1 container (according to file) the same as the sample video Nov 07 06:26:20 hmm Nov 07 06:26:23 it's all gstreamer based just like my linux laptop Nov 07 06:26:23 I am unsure Nov 07 06:26:41 I do know there is a special chip for decoding media Nov 07 06:26:47 what are you trying to do with the file? This is just my curiosity speaking here :) Nov 07 06:27:04 I'm just trying to find a good format for my screencast that will play on the pre Nov 07 06:27:12 it plays great on my linux laptop Nov 07 06:28:11 hmm Nov 07 06:28:14 I am not sure Nov 07 06:28:26 creationix: did you see the node canvas implementation? Nov 07 06:28:43 yeah, rik and ajax.org are awesome Nov 07 06:28:58 I almost worked for them at one point Nov 07 06:30:51 alexfner: doesn't seem to stream well, but you can download what I've got so far http://creationix.com/final3_small.mp4 Nov 07 06:30:54 it's not complete Nov 07 06:31:02 just a quality sample really Nov 07 06:33:58 yeah that canvas node implementation is really neat Nov 07 06:34:35 there is something that I would like to do with it and wos 2.0, but I can't speak of it right now Nov 07 06:38:20 hmm, I encoded at mpeg4 instead of h264, it halfway plays on the pre and looks like crap on the laptop Nov 07 06:38:36 must be some h264 flag I'm using that's not supported Nov 07 06:38:40 it's a large spec Nov 07 06:39:22 hmm Nov 07 06:39:47 I'll try a few more encoders and settings Nov 07 06:40:12 (not that you can read the text of the screencast at that resolution anyway) Nov 07 06:40:31 for desktop it's full 480p, pretty crisp Nov 07 06:40:46 are you giving a pres at dev day that you want to screencast? Nov 07 06:40:56 or is this for something else? Nov 07 06:41:06 you did get picked up by palm, right? Nov 07 06:43:04 alexfner: this is for node stuff Nov 07 06:43:15 not really palm related, I just want it to be able to play on the phone Nov 07 06:43:22 Good times... Nov 07 06:43:28 creationix: ah! Nov 07 06:43:42 alexfner: yes, I started last monday at palm Nov 07 06:43:48 are you going to try and place that video streaming server you built on the phone? :) Nov 07 06:43:56 using node... Nov 07 06:44:05 alexfner: hmm, perhaps Nov 07 06:44:16 is that not where you were going? Nov 07 06:44:37 or did you not really have a plan? Nov 07 06:44:50 cause when you mentioned video on the pre, I immediately thought that was what you were thinking :) Nov 07 06:46:42 creationix: I'm working with websockets right now, do you know of any sort of javascript security/crypto I can institute with my code to stop data from being intercepted on the client side? Is such a thing possible? Nov 07 06:47:50 this is something I cannot wrap my head around Nov 07 06:48:00 the fact that users can see my code Nov 07 06:48:17 I mean I guess I could have node check objects as they come in, which is probably the most reasonable thing to do Nov 07 06:48:34 you're going to have to check stuff server-side Nov 07 06:48:43 checksum or other technique Nov 07 06:48:56 some people do this with "secure" cookies Nov 07 06:49:07 where the session is in the cookie encrypted Nov 07 06:49:44 I don't think that would apply to websockets though, right? Nov 07 06:49:46 though, how many people will ssh into their phone and modify your client-side code Nov 07 06:49:59 alexfner: it's all data, just a different transport Nov 07 06:50:02 creationix: oh no this is on the desktop right now Nov 07 06:50:15 creationix: and I had that happen with Critical Mass Nov 07 06:50:19 alexfner: oh, then they are more likely to hack it Nov 07 06:50:26 * creationix grins Nov 07 06:50:37 creationix: yeah and webOS doesn't support websockets Nov 07 06:50:39 :D Nov 07 06:50:40 critical mass did ban me from the high score list though :P Nov 07 06:50:45 heh Nov 07 06:50:54 *good joke* Nov 07 06:51:56 thankfully, iOS and android will support websockets Nov 07 06:52:16 so I will get to see just how well node will handle concurrency :D Nov 07 06:58:03 well, off to bed with me. It's been an exciting week and I need some rest Nov 07 06:58:20 anyone up to answer a javascript question? Nov 07 06:58:48 bartholemew: I can if it's quick Nov 07 06:59:16 question is regarding a specific example in the flanagan rhino book Nov 07 06:59:47 haven't heard of that book Nov 07 06:59:58 on p. 140 of JS definitive guide 5th ed we have: Nov 07 07:00:35 function filterArray(/* array */ a, /*boolean function */ predicate) { Nov 07 07:00:41 var results = []; Nov 07 07:01:02 var length = a.length // In case predicate changes the length! Nov 07 07:01:23 for (var i = 0; i < length; i++) { Nov 07 07:01:33 var element = a[i]; Nov 07 07:01:49 if (predicate(element)) results.push(element); Nov 07 07:01:50 } Nov 07 07:01:54 return results; Nov 07 07:01:56 } Nov 07 07:02:29 my question is about the comment regarding the predicate function ... i am not seeing how predicate could alter a.length since predicate is only passed element ... Nov 07 07:02:29 bartholemew: looks like a standard Array.prototype.filter implementation Nov 07 07:02:56 it can't change the length from the element alone Nov 07 07:03:09 but it's possible it could have access to the original a from another scope Nov 07 07:03:29 though it's a good idea to cache the length lookup anyway, it's faster that way Nov 07 07:03:56 y, agree on speed aspect Nov 07 07:05:14 bartholemew: does that answer it for you Nov 07 07:05:15 ? Nov 07 07:05:21 ok i get it ... arrays passed by reference so the 'a' array inside filterArray could have multiple other references to it defined arbitrarily anywhere, including in predicate() Nov 07 07:05:37 *arrays are passed by reference Nov 07 07:06:40 yep, closures and references can do about anything Nov 07 07:06:45 yes, i think that answers the question Nov 07 07:06:54 cool, goodnight everyone Nov 07 07:07:00 have a good one Nov 07 07:37:34 another JS question prompted by my earlier one ... been reading Flanagan JS the definitive guide 5th ed ... which is pretty dated ... JS 1.5 ... so next question was what version of JS is supported in webOS ... Nov 07 07:38:24 was just looking at google v8 page & it says v8 implements ecma 262 3rd edition which is like 10 years old now ... Nov 07 07:39:06 http://code.google.com/p/v8/ ... "V8 implements ECMAScript as specified in ECMA-262, 3rd edition " .... Nov 07 07:40:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javascript#Versions ... November 2000 ECMA-262 3rd edition Nov 07 07:41:52 is everything that's happened in JS in the last 10 years being held up by IE 9? (not a JS head over here) Nov 07 10:48:55 morning Nov 07 11:00:08 nice Nov 07 11:00:19 finally got my electric bill Nov 07 11:00:36 they didnt give me one cause it was less than $30 last month Nov 07 11:00:52 im averaging $15/m for electricity ;D Nov 07 11:01:03 nice Nov 07 11:02:23 them enegy saving light bulbs work nicely, and i shut off almost everything im not using (except for the desktop) but ive still got stuff plugged in charging most of the time Nov 07 11:03:07 only thing is they take ages to switch on Nov 07 11:03:20 not mine and their the cheap kind Nov 07 11:03:23 we don't really get a choice in the EU now Nov 07 11:03:31 $1.89 for a 6pack at homedepot Nov 07 11:03:34 it's illegal to sell normal ones Nov 07 11:03:37 i think their 60wat Nov 07 11:03:44 really Nov 07 11:04:10 it's hilarious, in germany they've got around it by calling them heaters Nov 07 11:04:54 the incandesent bulbs? Nov 07 11:08:37 Morning swisstomcat Nov 07 11:08:42 hi hotdp Nov 07 11:09:16 Thanks for the AppMobi twitter :D Nov 07 11:09:24 I helped me alot :d Nov 07 11:09:35 yea Nov 07 11:09:43 cool, did you try it out? Nov 07 11:09:46 Yes Nov 07 11:09:50 I use it now Nov 07 11:09:54 it is REALLY great Nov 07 11:09:59 i've looked at it Nov 07 11:10:03 not that much yet tho Nov 07 11:10:10 its great Nov 07 11:10:22 aw crap, it's my grandmothers 70th and my aunt wants everyone to write a page to her Nov 07 11:10:27 only thing i need know is jquery mobile and sencha to go 1.0 :D Nov 07 11:10:30 i got no idea what to write Nov 07 11:10:45 did you try any of them, hotdp? Nov 07 11:12:00 i was busy with several photo shoots the last days Nov 07 11:12:02 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/portraits.png Nov 07 11:18:58 damn this is so hard thinking what to write Nov 07 11:39:23 ? Nov 07 11:39:32 I have made prototypes with both Nov 07 11:42:51 swisstomcat they a Nov 07 11:42:57 both have pros and cons Nov 07 11:43:02 So i will use both Nov 07 11:43:14 i haven't tried sencha yet Nov 07 11:43:36 it costs money¨ Nov 07 11:43:47 and have another syntax Nov 07 11:55:40 hi all Nov 07 12:01:56 hi JenP Nov 07 12:02:07 hi jenp Nov 07 12:02:07 hi hotdp Nov 07 12:02:10 bah, rainy weather Nov 07 12:02:13 hi swisstomcat Nov 07 12:02:16 really? where? Nov 07 12:02:20 switzerland Nov 07 12:02:40 smiles...so it's probably cold too huh? Nov 07 12:02:53 yeah Nov 07 12:03:07 hotdp: how does your boss like the prototypes? Nov 07 12:03:19 He likes it Nov 07 12:03:26 Its starting to boost Nov 07 12:03:40 When customers see demo on an iPad Nov 07 12:03:46 they are like "wow must have" Nov 07 12:03:55 cool Nov 07 12:04:03 and you'll be able to support other tablets as well Nov 07 12:04:10 its starting to take off the mobile thing Nov 07 12:04:15 yes Nov 07 12:04:38 My fir assignment is estimated to 150 hours Nov 07 12:04:54 But it is a learning thing so if i take longer it is ok Nov 07 12:04:59 i might work on tablets too soon Nov 07 12:05:09 its all the same :D Nov 07 12:05:15 html5 css3 and js ftw Nov 07 12:05:20 yeah Nov 07 12:05:34 wtg Nov 07 12:06:18 yes¨ Nov 07 12:07:38 transitions are hardware accelerated Nov 07 12:08:05 yer Nov 07 12:37:53 i thought i slept in till 8:30 and was really proud of myself. then found out it was 7:30 Nov 07 12:38:06 lol Nov 07 12:38:17 morn'n Jenp Nov 07 12:38:34 morning...how's it going? Nov 07 12:39:04 ok. you r up early Nov 07 12:39:27 haven't gone to bed yet...got to finish work project Nov 07 12:39:50 you're nutz Nov 07 12:40:25 lol more like i don't have a choice...trying to avoid going into the office today Nov 07 12:40:52 wait, it's sunday right? i didnt sleep until 7:30 monday morning right? Nov 07 12:41:04 lol Nov 07 12:41:08 an hour away from monday here Nov 07 12:41:10 its tuesday :P Nov 07 12:41:30 * rwhitby is still up working on slides for devday Nov 07 12:41:52 rwhitby how many minuts shall you speak? Nov 07 12:41:58 rwhitby: dont be a show-off Nov 07 12:42:06 lol Nov 07 12:42:43 hotdp: somewhere between 30 and 60 I expect Nov 07 12:42:53 good Nov 07 12:42:53 Bmyers: I suck at slides Nov 07 12:43:29 slides r easy. merry-go-rounds are hard.. Nov 07 12:52:10 until you try to go backwards.. Nov 07 12:52:54 BPM are much much harder...i'll trade for slides any day Nov 07 13:01:57 well i'm gonna try and get a few hours of sleep. night all Nov 07 14:17:09 hrm Nov 07 14:17:22 google analytics for droid and iphone.. Nov 07 14:17:25 hi Nov 07 14:18:05 i wish they would make one for webos Nov 07 14:19:37 what happens if you put the code just into the main scene on webos? Nov 07 14:21:29 its more than that Nov 07 14:21:49 you can track pageviews (scenes) as well as events (taps, button clicks..etc) Nov 07 14:22:17 you could use the normal website analytics in a webos app, but youll just get 'hits' Nov 07 14:22:42 no real way to submit specific data Nov 07 14:23:11 they have actual SDKs for droid/iphone Nov 07 14:23:32 http://code.google.com/mobile/analytics/docs/ Nov 07 15:22:12 /nick JenP Nov 07 15:22:33 hi all Nov 07 15:32:22 rehi Nov 07 15:32:51 hi swisstomcat. still raining? Nov 07 15:34:20 yeah, and getting dark already Nov 07 15:36:34 bleh Nov 07 15:36:55 yeah, sucks Nov 07 15:37:17 you need to go on vacation to somewhere sunny Nov 07 15:38:12 i'm going to munich Nov 07 15:38:29 yeah? Nov 07 15:38:53 weather doesn't seem much better there tho Nov 07 15:38:57 i don't think the weathter is much better therE? Nov 07 15:38:59 google developer day Nov 07 15:39:05 nah Nov 07 15:39:07 oh fun! Nov 07 15:39:08 rainy and cold Nov 07 16:01:35 swisstomcat i think the syntax of webos is better than sencha :S Nov 07 16:01:47 really Nov 07 16:01:50 need to look at it Nov 07 16:02:10 have you looked at jo? (joapp.com) Nov 07 16:02:21 yer Nov 07 16:02:28 jo is out of the "game" for me :) Nov 07 16:03:19 why is that? Nov 07 16:04:52 Its not big engough for "enterprice" apps, and after talking to Ben C i was sure Nov 07 16:05:16 I need something where there is support at people fix bugs ect Nov 07 16:05:26 there's a forum Nov 07 16:05:37 but yeah, it's more or less a "one-man show" for now Nov 07 16:05:45 correct Nov 07 16:06:19 morning roy-pre101 Nov 07 16:09:11 swisstomcat: Howdy! Nov 07 16:30:59 hi late-comers :) Nov 07 17:30:30 Hey Nov 07 18:17:43 Is it safe for my pre to be at 135F internal? Nov 07 18:56:39 that seems a little warm Nov 07 18:59:22 but not a lot Nov 07 18:59:32 70C would worry me Nov 07 21:00:08 Hi, I have simple question. Nov 07 21:00:21 go ahead Nov 07 21:00:35 Is it possible to transfer files to and from Pre Emulator? Nov 07 21:01:17 I have tried winSCP on the same port as putty (5522), but it doesn't work Nov 07 21:05:09 How to simulate something like USB connection with the real Palm? Nov 07 21:17:36 http://armorgames.com/play/6586/give-up-robot Nov 07 21:19:02 No response - so it seems that the question wasn't that simple :-( Nov 07 21:24:26 serych: winscp works Nov 07 21:25:09 I'm not sure on the correct info, but if you can find it, it works... Nov 07 21:26:58 OK, I'll try to as uncle Google again ... Nov 07 21:37:34 is there an easier way to write Y/(Y/20) ? Nov 07 21:37:40 as a mathematical term Nov 07 21:38:00 what is that trying to do? Nov 07 21:38:14 divide y by y by 20? Nov 07 21:38:19 yeah Nov 07 21:38:26 0.05 Nov 07 21:38:53 okay, let's say it's Y/(Y/Z) Nov 07 21:39:13 actually, I was wrong, it's 20 or Z Nov 07 21:39:29 * halfhalo agrees Nov 07 21:39:53 well, wait, don't you have to evaluate the denominator first? I don't think you can just drop the parens can you? Nov 07 21:40:37 * halfhalo gives up and wanders away from the math Nov 07 21:40:43 hehe Nov 07 21:40:47 stupid maths... Nov 07 21:41:03 but badly needed for game development Nov 07 21:41:06 but no Nov 07 21:41:19 there is no super shorthand way Nov 07 21:41:39 i thought you could somehow simplify that term Nov 07 21:41:41 unless you make a function called d that takes just those two arguements Nov 07 21:42:08 if you don't have to evaluate the fraction in the denominator first, then the simplification is Z Nov 07 21:42:14 but for any positive value of Y that's going to be 20 Nov 07 21:42:23 d(x,y)=function(x,y){return x/(x/y);} Nov 07 21:48:43 damn my function is even wrong Nov 07 21:48:48 actually...the Ys cancel eachother out so for any Y I can think of it's going to be 20 Nov 07 21:50:21 i need to convert the accelerometer axis to a solid number for me Nov 07 21:50:55 interesting Nov 07 21:50:56 so when y is 32000 my yOwn has to be 20 Nov 07 21:50:56 when y is -32000 my yOwn has to be -20 ... and so on Nov 07 21:51:18 why do you need to rescale it ? Nov 07 21:51:23 and i have no idea how to calculate that Nov 07 21:51:36 because my gravitation may not exceed 20 Nov 07 21:51:44 divide by 1600 Nov 07 21:52:42 does y actually range -32768 to 32767 ? Nov 07 21:53:17 it appears so Nov 07 21:53:58 if so, also put a little test in there to clamp it at +/- 20 .. yOwn = yOwn > 20 ? 20 : yOwn < -20 ? -20 : yOwn ; Nov 07 21:54:02 that should work, right ? Nov 07 21:54:18 and be ridiculously complicated to figure out what it's really trying to do ? Nov 07 21:54:25 well I thought i just divide it by my gravMax Nov 07 21:54:37 no idea what gravMax is Nov 07 21:54:59 sounds gravMax would normalize the whole thing to 1 .. but not necessarily between +/-20 Nov 07 21:55:40 my gravMax is the gravitation it has to have when the accelerometer Y is 32767 Nov 07 21:55:52 in my case it's 20 Nov 07 21:55:59 but i want to keep it variable Nov 07 21:56:16 this seems to be going around in circles Nov 07 21:56:29 yeah, I'm no longer following Nov 07 21:57:12 joetweeply: how good are your algebra skills ? Nov 07 21:57:33 oh I got it now... it's myGravY = currentAccelerometerY(accelerometerMaxY/myMaxGravY) Nov 07 21:57:59 myGravY = currentAccelerometerY/(accelerometerMaxY/myMaxGravY) ... that is Nov 07 21:59:03 you could turn accelerometerMaxY/mMaxGravY into a constant as well so you have one less step Nov 07 21:59:40 yeah should do that.. thanks Nov 07 22:00:11 in fact it's 1638.4 Nov 07 22:00:26 i'll keep it calculated Nov 07 22:35:33 did somebody say gravy? Nov 07 22:35:44 maxGravy? Nov 07 23:57:26 omg.. i just merged 2 photos (to make a panorama) in photoshop and you cannot tell at all that it was 2 photos.. it did it perfectly! Nov 08 00:10:29 * SineOt ponders "company" names! Nov 08 00:44:42 rwhitby: did we ever get a wiki for dev day meetups? Nov 08 00:46:03 haeffb: I've been using http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DevDayNYC for my slides, feel free to create a parallel page there, or I guess on webos101 ? Nov 08 00:57:00 rudimentary, but it's a start: http://www.webos101.com/DevDayNYCMeetup Nov 08 00:57:29 Hi everyone, quick question, is there a way to change the style for a list selector? I want to make the font smaller Nov 08 00:58:40 You can override the palm styles Nov 08 01:00:10 the palm-list-selector styles are in global-menus.css Nov 08 01:02:25 mmm... ok, but I can create a new style and apply it only to a specific list selector, am I right? Nov 08 01:04:08 should be able to Nov 08 01:04:29 rwhitby: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g60763-s301/New-York-City:New-York:Arriving.And.Departing.html Nov 08 01:05:37 argh, but I'm using Ares, no global-menus.css here. It seems I'll have to do it differently. Will try, thanks! Nov 08 01:06:49 haeffb: I'm probably going to take a NYC taxi after 27h flying. Nov 08 01:07:03 and to get to dinner quicker than public transport Nov 08 01:07:23 I think that's my plan to. Except for the 27h part... Nov 08 01:08:05 if anyone is arriving at JFK around 6pm, we can share a cab Nov 08 01:11:36 that's why I put my info on the wiki...just need to promote it now. Nov 08 01:12:51 NuttyBunny: Ares still uses the palm CSS files. They're in your SDK directory Nov 08 01:14:16 haeffb: Ok, I'll check it, thanks :) Nov 08 02:11:36 Bmyers: http://www.webos101.com/DevDayNYCMeetup#Thursday_Evening_Meetup Nov 08 02:12:02 thursday? Nov 08 02:12:16 getting started early Nov 08 02:12:49 you getting in that early? Nov 08 02:15:19 haeffb: updated Nov 08 02:16:15 travel Thurs Nov 08 02:16:49 I'm on vacation all next week. Will be leaving for Kansas to shoot stuff this Thurs. Nov 08 02:17:14 Then leave Kansas for MCI next Thurs morning Nov 08 02:17:44 I really gotta put together a presentation in the next day or so... Nov 08 02:18:35 ...wish I knew what equipment was going to be available. Nov 08 02:19:26 haeffb: for devday? Nov 08 02:19:50 you can use my evo, it's got HD out.. Nov 08 02:19:53 yes, all I've been told is probably a win laptop Nov 08 02:19:58 and maybe a device projector Nov 08 02:20:47 haeffb: I was told HP win laptop on podium connected to screens, and you can project from your own laptop if you prefer Nov 08 02:21:33 * halfhalo just wants you guys to have an internet connection capable of streaming it Nov 08 02:21:47 Bmyers can stream it from his EVO Nov 08 02:22:06 4g baby.. Nov 08 02:22:54 rwhitby: wonder if the laptop will have emu... Nov 08 02:23:10 haeffb: I'd bring my own if you need emu Nov 08 02:23:35 you're not bring a laptop? Nov 08 02:23:47 haeffb: put a request into greg Nov 08 02:24:01 I am Nov 08 02:24:06 * haeffb has only talked to adora Nov 08 02:24:20 I am bringing a laptop, but don't know if I'll use it for the 5 min presentation. Nov 08 02:24:35 * rwhitby bbl Nov 08 02:24:48 for the lightning round, won't have time to change laptops inbetween Nov 08 02:24:55 Aha! Nov 08 02:25:01 Will it have emu? Nov 08 02:25:05 if at all possible, try to make your presentation portable Nov 08 02:25:15 I can make sure that the SDK is installed Nov 08 02:25:39 where did she come from ?? Nov 08 02:25:50 magic! Nov 08 02:25:55 What I'd like to do is show simplenote website. And Noted in the emu. Nov 08 02:26:00 and a slide or two. Nov 08 02:26:11 it's a little spooky.. Nov 08 02:26:34 Here's the cool website that somebody else made. Here's the app that I made with webOS. Here's how they work together. Nov 08 02:26:37 Bmyers: I am a unicorn that comes and goes with the rainbows and the wind Nov 08 02:26:52 and Pixi dust? Nov 08 02:27:02 I can take screenshots and put them in Powerpoint. But a live demo would be better. Nov 08 02:27:05 thats not pixi dust its coke Nov 08 02:27:14 live demo not always better Nov 08 02:27:24 Steve Jobs says it is... Nov 08 02:27:40 we should be able to get you guys some time with the laptop to set that kindof stuff up Nov 08 02:27:57 but with any live demo, always have a contingency plan =] Nov 08 02:28:09 I'll make it in Powerpoint. And then use live data if available. Nov 08 02:28:24 plan B: bring your top hat and cane Nov 08 02:28:27 I am surprised how fast wiimax is Nov 08 02:29:07 faster than most home Internet connection Nov 08 02:30:05 * halfhalo got 6MB/s down in LA Nov 08 02:47:57 I'm surprised how far away from here wimax is. Nov 08 02:48:17 well, not surprised so much as disappointed. Nov 08 02:49:39 why can't they bring it to the two hundred Sprint customers in my city? Nov 08 02:50:39 * haeffb wonders why rwhitby wants to come to NYC for Japanese food...? Nov 08 02:51:04 isn't Japan like a long jet ski ride from Australia? Nov 08 02:51:04 haeffb: I always prefer japanese after 27h flying Nov 08 02:51:14 it helps me sleep better Nov 08 02:51:33 wasabi helps you sleep? Nov 08 02:51:56 small, tasty, non-cheese-laden dishes Nov 08 02:54:27 no NY cheese then rwhitby ? Nov 08 02:54:36 cheese cake Nov 08 02:55:10 oh, lots of cheese the next day Nov 08 02:55:45 never flew for 27h so i pretty much each cheese if i want to.. Nov 08 02:56:28 a steak or cheese will not allow me to sleep after 27h of no sleep Nov 08 02:56:51 how do you NOT sleep on a long flight like that? Nov 08 02:57:01 i love sleeping on the plane Nov 08 02:57:31 are you in standing room only on the plane? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 08 02:59:57 2010