**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 09 02:59:57 2010 Nov 09 03:00:51 was in the nursing home for the past year Nov 09 03:01:22 im just glad they were able to avoid having the wake and funeral on my bday. would be a bit... dont know the word for it Nov 09 03:01:35 Morbidly depressing? Nov 09 03:01:40 thats it Nov 09 03:01:47 my birthday is saturday Nov 09 03:02:10 so its bad enough having it wens and thursday. but what can you do Nov 09 03:05:00 are you gonna make your slides available on slideshare? Nov 09 03:05:09 sorry wrong window Nov 09 03:25:42 296 yards on 11 carries for one RB Nov 09 03:25:59 * Tibfib giggles Nov 09 03:26:08 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/267402-voogle-google-voice-webos-coming-soon-2.html dialpad looks great! Nov 09 03:26:34 a new google voice app? Nov 09 03:26:48 yep! Nov 09 03:27:17 i hope it doesnt get canned as soon as it starts like the old one Nov 09 03:27:21 i could use one Nov 09 03:27:23 I'm just laughing at people complimenting him on a good dialpad when it is clearly palm's >.< Nov 09 03:27:28 I'm excited for it too Nov 09 03:27:40 I need it for voicemail. Nov 09 03:27:54 well id complement him too. palms dialpad is nice Nov 09 03:28:03 lol Nov 09 03:28:13 i just have it transcribe for me and get the idea what people want Nov 09 03:28:23 even tho its one of the worst transcribers ive ever seen lol Nov 09 03:28:34 haha yeah. it definitely it terrible Nov 09 03:28:36 they should just buy out youmail. i hear theirs is AWESOME Nov 09 03:28:57 I think theirs is done by actualy people Nov 09 03:29:05 actual* Nov 09 03:29:15 i dont see that being the case thats a lot of people needed then lol Nov 09 03:29:27 yeah, maybe not. it might just be good Nov 09 03:30:53 google is usually the best at things it does Nov 09 03:31:04 but in the case of google voice transcribe they droped the ball Nov 09 03:31:14 i wonder when they will finally implement mms Nov 09 03:31:23 they said it was coming... EVENTUALLY Nov 09 03:31:57 Oh, it isn't supported? Nov 09 03:32:04 nope Nov 09 03:32:07 * Tibfib never noticed Nov 09 03:32:24 when it does i can fully port over to google voice only Nov 09 03:32:36 id like if they allowed u to buy a 2nd and third number lol Nov 09 03:59:39 sugardave: UT has some talented bball players Nov 09 04:26:37 Can you type japanese in WebOS or do you have to copy-paste everything? Nov 09 04:28:21 google will help Nov 09 05:01:47 is there any documentation on the smarttextfield Nov 09 05:32:27 OK, anyone know how to turn an OpenOffice presentation with simple reveal/hide animations in it into a PDF which retains the animations on click? Nov 09 05:37:36 anyone up for a javascript question on "this" keyword? Nov 09 05:42:52 can you make an integer picker increment by 5 or 10 etc Nov 09 05:42:54 ? Nov 09 06:06:31 rwhitby: I don't think PDF can do things like animations, can it? Nov 09 06:07:12 dont think so Nov 09 06:07:33 if you want something easily viewable by other people... Slideshare or 280slides Nov 09 06:08:19 Adobe has their own presentation software you can buy a license for, cant do that in a basic pdf Nov 09 06:09:29 Hmm... Well, it seems Verizon is training people on WebOS 2.0, and the touchstone exhibition stuff won't be included. -So- that probably means a release sooner rather than later. Nov 09 06:09:52 exhibition wasnt ready in france Nov 09 06:10:00 I bet it wont launch on 2.0 Nov 09 06:10:05 And it won't be ready in the US. Nov 09 06:10:05 more like 2.01 Nov 09 06:10:15 Yeah thats what I am saying Nov 09 06:10:26 Which says to me that the release in the US will be real soon Nov 09 06:10:30 (Like, this month) Nov 09 06:10:43 I thought it was already said it was nov 20th Nov 09 06:10:48 Was it? Nov 09 06:11:07 I thought so, maybe that was speculation Nov 09 06:11:32 I know HP had, for a few hours, said preorders would start today but they backed off and said "Soon" instead. Nov 09 06:11:47 I've heard November 11th tossed around, because Verizon is dropping a TON of handsets that day. Nov 09 06:11:52 I am not sure its good enough to move people, im going to stay on sprint until they get something new Nov 09 06:12:21 pre2 really isnt much better Nov 09 06:12:22 I don't think it is, but I don't think other carriers are even going to start thinking about shipping the 2.0 update until Verizon has the Pre 2 Nov 09 06:12:27 but that's just my guess on it Nov 09 06:12:54 2.0 is still under NDA so that says something Nov 09 06:13:14 and everything is now SOON, no dates :) Nov 09 06:13:27 Well, yeah. That doesn't really make much sense since you can already buy a 2.0 device in France, so it's kind of dumb that it's not open to everyone yet Nov 09 06:20:47 anyone have the o'reilly rhino book (javascript the definitive guide by flanagan)? Nov 09 06:24:09 SineOt: you can buy a Pre 2 with 2.0 on it. You can't get 2.0 on a previous generation device. Nov 09 06:25:09 rwhitby: you can buy a Pre 2 with 2.0 on it, but you can't get the SDK to develop an app for it :p Nov 09 06:27:12 if you're a real developer who needs the SDK, you can. if you're just a user who wants 2.0 earlier, you can't. Nov 09 06:27:33 if you're the former, contact Chuq. Nov 09 06:28:12 rwhitby - You can buy a pre 2 with a cut down version of 2.0 Nov 09 06:28:18 not everything is there Nov 09 06:28:28 its more like, Pre2 with webos 1.75 Nov 09 06:28:33 :) Nov 09 06:28:35 CTLAdvance: by definition, whats in the SFR webOS 2.0.0 doctor is 2.0.0, no? Nov 09 06:28:37 already have, just waiting on the approval (after the first request got lost in the intertubes) Nov 09 06:29:15 anything that's not in the SFR webOS 2.0.0 doctor must be some later version ... Nov 09 06:29:18 rwhitby it is webOS 2.0 missing features that have been listed for webOS 2.0 Nov 09 06:29:26 rwhitby: I think he means that 2.0 isn't really 2.0 until all the 2.0 features are in it (like Exhibition) Nov 09 06:29:26 yes I agree Nov 09 06:29:30 unicorns Nov 09 06:29:40 I think you all didn't read the fine print on the HP press releases. Nov 09 06:30:08 Yeah, Exhibition will come at a later date, etc etc. Nov 09 06:30:09 well I understand there is the legal, but that isnt what most people see Nov 09 06:30:37 people see 2.0 announcement and they see exhibition, and they see pre 2 with 2.0 and no exhibition Nov 09 06:30:44 You may will be referring to what some tech blog sites have reported as being webOS 2.0, rather than what the official HP press release says is in webOS 2.0 and what isn't. Nov 09 06:30:50 most likely well get it in 2.1 or something Nov 09 06:31:14 It's not Palm's fault that tech blog sites don't report the facts correctly ... Nov 09 06:31:54 and this discussion seems to just be reinforcing the misinformation ... Nov 09 06:33:29 Regardless of the blogosphere, being able to take better advantage of the touchstone was one of the 2.x features shown on the press release Nov 09 06:34:09 the only place that I can find that mentions Exhibition not shipping is the Pre 2 page, all the developer pages about 2.0 talk about it as if it'll be there from the start Nov 09 06:34:21 so at the very least, it is confusingly laid out Nov 09 06:34:38 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2010/101019a.html - see footnote #4 Nov 09 06:35:39 The press release is the official communication to the public, not developer.palm.com or engadget or precentral. Nov 09 06:36:02 when I read #4 Nov 09 06:36:19 This feature planned to be available via over-the-air software update to webOS 2.0. Nov 09 06:36:19 Nov 09 06:36:19 Nov 09 06:36:25 I'd honestly hope that developer.palm.com got things right, given they're y'know, run by Palm and all! Nov 09 06:37:21 SineOt: developer.palm.com talks about "webOS 2.0 Developer Beta" not webOS 2.0 Nov 09 06:38:11 not sure there is misinformation, basically reads as an update bringing 2.0 Nov 09 06:38:24 SineOt: and even that page has a footnote you seem to have missed: "* The features described are slated for HP webOS 2.0. However, some may not appear in the first public release." Nov 09 06:38:49 Yeah, but the footnote doesn't actually get referenced anywhere in the text (which is a big issue, really) Nov 09 06:38:58 CTLAdvance: an update to (on top of, not part of) webOS 2.0 Nov 09 06:39:24 SineOt: There's a * in the third paragraph on the page Nov 09 06:39:28 * oil shakes fist Nov 09 06:39:39 * CTLAdvance blames oil Nov 09 06:39:44 NOOOO Nov 09 06:39:53 press release? Nov 09 06:40:15 no, SineOt is talking about developer.palm.com Nov 09 06:40:30 rod either way, if your going to foot notes your going to far, when people see the features they mostly wont read the foot notes Nov 09 06:40:47 which is exactly why its a footnote Nov 09 06:40:56 exactly! Nov 09 06:40:58 exactly, Nov 09 06:42:10 "CTLAdvance: rwhitby - You can buy a pre 2 with a cut down version of 2.0" Nov 09 06:42:26 no, you can buy a Pre 2 with a cut down version of your perception of 2.0 Nov 09 06:42:32 1.9.99 Nov 09 06:42:39 but it actually contains precisely webOS 2.0.0 Nov 09 06:42:44 nothing more, nothing less. Nov 09 06:42:49 Yes, and I now agree that my statements are incorrect Nov 09 06:42:50 with service pack 1! Nov 09 06:43:01 well, its not complete till there is a service pack Nov 09 06:43:14 WebOS 1.9.99 -repeating- = 2.0! Nov 09 06:43:16 now, the difference between the perception and the reality is a different question :) Nov 09 06:43:27 and I agree Nov 09 06:43:50 but the general public doesn't have the perception, nor the precision to notice the difference anyway Nov 09 06:44:11 it's only the techheads who notice, and they are such a small part of the userbase that it doesn't matter Nov 09 06:44:31 hence the footnotes Nov 09 06:44:32 and not like 99% of pre users even have access to a pre2 with 2.0 on it Nov 09 06:45:02 yeah, only the french, and like they matter Nov 09 06:45:03 and any reporting of the difference between the reality and perception is going to be in french anyway, so no US reporter is going to read it Nov 09 06:45:18 lol Nov 09 06:45:25 "what, they're surrendering again?" Nov 09 06:45:34 "i cant read this jibberish" Nov 09 06:45:56 anyway, I gotta go take some kids hiking. Nov 09 06:46:03 have fun Nov 09 06:46:06 mm Nov 09 06:46:15 very good then :) Nov 09 06:50:04 * oil needs to bust out his laptop and make sure its good to go for devdays Nov 09 06:50:43 Anyone know if we can limit a integer picker to pick every 5, or 10 integers? Nov 09 06:50:55 so 0,5,10,15 Nov 09 06:51:30 * oil thinks you should just give it a shot and see Nov 09 06:52:09 well I have it working normally Nov 09 06:52:22 dont see anything in the docs about it Nov 09 06:52:24 * oil has never been a fan of the integer picker Nov 09 06:52:47 * CTLAdvance likes to keep people locked in a sandbox, but is open to ideas Nov 09 06:53:06 it never plays nicely with any other row styles Nov 09 06:53:07 like, wtf Nov 09 06:54:33 I know it Nov 09 06:54:48 no margin or padding below it Nov 09 06:55:10 I usually add a simple br below it Nov 09 06:55:33 who needs css when you have hr and br tags :p Nov 09 06:55:42 :) Nov 09 06:56:27 I guess could do that as well, but really, like oil said Nov 09 06:56:30 WTF Nov 09 07:03:55 * oil prefers L$("good morning") Nov 09 08:04:48 hey hotdp Nov 09 08:31:16 <[AD]Turbo> yo all Nov 09 14:48:55 morning Nov 09 14:50:17 Hey sugardave! Nov 09 15:03:03 hey, anybody here set up openVPN on their device? Nov 09 16:23:46 Anyone worked with Sencha? Nov 09 16:44:53 * halfhalo has achieved popocorn! Nov 09 16:45:11 have any of you guys worked with spring mvc? Nov 09 16:54:11 ciao Nov 09 16:54:15 !list Nov 09 16:54:22 fff Nov 09 16:54:40 * halfhalo shakes his fist in the air Nov 09 16:55:02 "you damn kids, get off my lawn!" Nov 09 16:55:39 :) Nov 09 17:05:57 * oilsworkn thinks about which shortcut keys he is going to add to all his apps now that he knows how Nov 09 17:06:09 :) Nov 09 17:06:13 oh, oh, oh... I got nothin Nov 09 17:06:43 if anyone is looking for something to add to webos101, add that :) Nov 09 17:48:11 hey guys Nov 09 17:48:34 how do i convert "[[1988, 10], [1989, 20], [1990, 10], [1991, 30], [1992, 40]]" into an array? Nov 09 17:48:37 that is a string Nov 09 17:48:53 how should the array look? Nov 09 17:49:05 [[1988, 10], [1989, 20], [1990, 10], [1991, 30], [1992, 40]] Nov 09 17:49:19 without quotes in the end, but i needed to pass it as a string Nov 09 17:49:26 so i turned [[1988, 10], [1989, 20], [1990, 10], [1991, 30], [1992, 40]] into "[[1988, 10], [1989, 20], [1990, 10], [1991, 30], [1992, 40]]" Nov 09 17:49:54 it comes from the database in that form Nov 09 17:49:58 nyceane: if you just .toString() the original array, it will print that, basically Nov 09 17:50:00 http://api.prototypejs.org/language/string/prototype/evaljson/ Nov 09 17:50:09 yer Nov 09 17:50:56 sugardave, i know, how do i convert it back Nov 09 17:51:02 is there anything .toObject()? Nov 09 17:51:22 if you have it already, then convert to string, why need to convert back...you already have it Nov 09 17:51:49 yer i dont get that :D Nov 09 17:52:02 oilsworkn has a good suggestion with evaljson Nov 09 17:52:24 or, you can strip off the lading and trailing [ ] chars, then .split() the string into an array Nov 09 17:52:29 trying it Nov 09 17:52:39 split on ',' Nov 09 17:52:44 its an array of arrays Nov 09 17:53:01 but then it would be an array of strings that look like: [num, num] Nov 09 17:53:13 which, as oilsworkn has pointed out, is probably not what you want Nov 09 17:54:07 finally got the freakin notificationChain working Nov 09 17:54:15 that's like black magic Nov 09 17:54:15 this is actually a webview thats embeded Nov 09 17:54:23 so i am not really using prototype Nov 09 17:54:25 since its a graph Nov 09 17:54:42 json.parse works =D Nov 09 17:55:06 works now, thanks guys =D Nov 09 17:56:57 * oilsworkn looked up notificationChain because he had no clue wtf it was, lol Nov 09 17:57:40 * oilsworkn is unsure what he would use it for Nov 09 18:00:06 oil where you going to nyc? Nov 09 18:00:44 yes sir! Nov 09 18:01:29 * hotdp might have asked before but the memory is not to good Nov 09 18:01:43 * oilsworkn is excited Nov 09 18:02:52 * hotdp is super excited, have not seen nyc before only airport Nov 09 18:03:12 * hotdp flight will take of in 7 days Nov 09 18:03:40 7 days from now ill still be sitting at my desk at work Nov 09 18:04:10 * hotdp have taken 5 days off from work Nov 09 18:04:28 * hotdp but don't complain, work pays to nights at the hotel Nov 09 18:05:51 oil, what is your "real" job? Nov 09 18:06:21 programming/tech support for a local fruit company Nov 09 18:08:43 yeah, not very fancy, lol Nov 09 18:13:00 lol Nov 09 18:13:22 i do get cheap boxes of fruit Nov 09 18:13:23 lol Nov 09 18:13:55 thats awesome! Nov 09 18:13:56 that works for me Nov 09 18:14:09 now when my fruit goes bad on the counter Nov 09 18:14:19 and the flies start visiting Nov 09 18:14:26 i can blame oil! Nov 09 18:14:49 that seems like a pretty far stretch Nov 09 18:15:47 maybe you should keep your fruit in the fridge Nov 09 18:17:01 it's mostly from my kids who decide 1/2 way thru they're done eating and stash stuff behind the couch Nov 09 18:18:53 isn't that when you take their head and rub their nose in it and say "bad!", "no!" Nov 09 18:18:56 oh, thats a dog, sorry Nov 09 18:19:10 lol Nov 09 18:19:33 or maybe it wasn't funny :/ Nov 09 18:20:17 * dohtem nominates oil for parent of the year Nov 09 18:20:39 well, having no kids, makes it pretty easy to be an awesome parent Nov 09 18:21:03 they're always so quite you'd almost believe they didn't exist Nov 09 18:21:07 lol Nov 09 18:21:15 quiet* Nov 09 18:21:16 lol Nov 09 18:21:35 iunno Nov 09 18:21:36 or as my mom would say "kids should be seen and not heard"? Nov 09 18:21:38 i'd do that to a kid Nov 09 18:21:59 which is a nice way of saying "shutup and sit down there where i can see you" Nov 09 18:24:12 * haeffb_pre does not care for oily fruit. Nov 09 18:24:30 naw, we got good stuff here Nov 09 18:24:50 our nursery also do a lot of crossbreeding and creating new varieties Nov 09 18:24:58 woot? Nov 09 18:25:03 like a cherry the size of a plum Nov 09 18:25:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux1FZpPKh20 - lmao Microsoft Kinect accident Nov 09 18:28:20 lol Nov 09 18:28:42 its better then the videos of people killing there tv with a wii remote or move remote Nov 09 18:30:30 oil must bring a plum cherry specimen to dev day Nov 09 18:31:36 and some homebaked cherry pies Nov 09 18:31:44 and cherry preserves Nov 09 18:31:50 oilsworkn! Nov 09 18:32:12 yeah, like they'll let me take a pie through secutiry Nov 09 18:32:22 security* Nov 09 18:32:49 they'll all be "oh, thats got to be a bomb, bring that over here, who's got plates?" Nov 09 18:33:01 fed ex it to yourself. Nov 09 18:33:19 to your dev day self Nov 09 18:33:49 heh, airport security blows Nov 09 18:34:19 last time, in SFO they made me go into this phone booth thing and I was hit with jets of air Nov 09 18:34:21 i dont think fedex would do a very good job shipping a pie Nov 09 18:34:44 whenever i think about shipping something valuable, im reminded of the opening scene of ace ventura Nov 09 18:34:55 my goodness....you're full of excuses. Nov 09 18:35:04 * halfhalo loves that movie Nov 09 18:35:10 its an art form, really Nov 09 18:35:28 blame airport security. blame fed ex. Nov 09 18:35:35 * halfhalo blames oil Nov 09 18:35:37 blame.... ? Nov 09 18:35:39 FOR REELZ Nov 09 18:35:39 GAH Nov 09 18:36:06 * oilsworkn bets when halfhalo comes out of the restroom he still waves his hand behind him and says "do NOT go in there!" Nov 09 18:36:10 we should have oil's face under the National Debt Nov 09 18:36:16 lol Nov 09 18:36:19 :) Nov 09 18:36:24 bbiab, walking to the class Nov 09 18:38:59 if i had a nickel for every time i get blamed for something Nov 09 18:39:25 id have a boatload of nickels Nov 09 18:40:16 so many nickels the boat would probably sink Nov 09 18:40:29 and then who would get blamed? Nov 09 18:40:37 beat me to it Nov 09 18:40:38 :) Nov 09 18:41:34 whats new in the world of webOS? Nov 09 18:42:07 i would blame halfhalo Nov 09 18:42:45 * halfhalo_T400 misses his bouncer... Nov 09 18:43:39 * oilsworkn is pretty sure T400 is the laptop model Nov 09 18:43:54 it is Nov 09 18:44:07 but it sure looks like you're an early model terminator, before the arnold model T1000 Nov 09 18:44:10 But its the saved profile in trillian, so it works Nov 09 18:44:30 it comes with a nuke Nov 09 18:45:30 if only there was a desktop client as awesome as wirc... Nov 09 18:45:52 there is, its called a brick in the screen Nov 09 18:46:23 oilsworkn: defend your honor at Dev Day. Put a brick in his face!! Nov 09 18:46:34 last time, in SFO they made me go into this phone booth thing and I was hit with jets of air <-- WTF? Nov 09 18:46:36 * dohtem instigates dev fight :) Nov 09 18:46:44 HE CAN TRY, BUT HE WONT SUCCEED! Nov 09 18:47:07 mostly because I won't be there Nov 09 18:47:39 hotdp: thats what they did to me. I think the idea is if you have been making bombs, the bursts of air will hit some of the residue off or something Nov 09 18:47:53 ohh Nov 09 18:48:27 dohtem: i dont think a brick would get through security... Nov 09 18:48:36 It does Nov 09 18:48:38 oilsworkn: I think they have bricks in NY Nov 09 18:48:50 but he wont be in NY Nov 09 18:48:54 ah Nov 09 18:49:27 hes too busy being the major of jerktown Nov 09 18:49:55 yup, gotta earn that pension! Nov 09 18:50:27 re: phone booth with jets of air, makes me think they would put cash in there and you have to try to grab it out of the air Nov 09 18:50:54 and you win a cavity search? Nov 09 18:51:02 no, thats 2nd place Nov 09 18:51:02 Thats only when trebec is near though, oil Nov 09 18:51:49 Any of you worked with Sencha? Nov 09 18:52:15 * oilsworkn googles it Nov 09 18:53:30 :) Nov 09 18:55:37 what are you doing with Sencha?n Nov 09 18:55:50 Touch Nov 09 18:56:12 what are you doing with Sencha Touch? Nov 09 18:56:17 touching it? Nov 09 18:56:19 Making a a app :D Nov 09 18:56:26 touching it: yes Nov 09 18:56:32 heh Nov 09 18:56:42 * halfhalo_T400 resists... making... rude... comments... Nov 09 18:57:05 what app? Nov 09 18:57:15 For work Nov 09 18:57:30 they still have that? Nov 09 18:57:31 ah Nov 09 18:57:32 We are starting to make mobile apps, and it should support more platforms Nov 09 18:57:32 ;p Nov 09 18:57:47 and have looked at sencha Nov 09 18:57:51 * oilsworkn has no desire to work on other devices Nov 09 18:59:22 * hotdp have to Nov 09 18:59:30 you can not buy a WebOS device in Denmark Nov 09 19:00:16 Not yet, anyhow Nov 09 19:01:10 correct Nov 09 19:01:21 teemu i talk to a HP guy from eu in London Nov 09 19:01:34 and it did not sound like they will expand ANY soon Nov 09 19:08:27 sencha is pretty fucking hot Nov 09 19:08:32 err, sencha touch Nov 09 19:08:56 funkatron you have worked with it? Nov 09 19:09:01 a bit Nov 09 19:09:07 and you like it? Nov 09 19:09:22 yeah. I mean, first off, it's freakin gorgeous Nov 09 19:09:23 i have also looked at jQuery mobile and did not know what to pick.. Nov 09 19:09:30 well Nov 09 19:09:47 jQ mobile is really good if you want to support a WIDE variety of stuff Nov 09 19:09:54 and really really love jQ and won't use anything else Nov 09 19:10:02 ok Nov 09 19:10:10 Sencha is choosing to support webkit only, I believe Nov 09 19:10:16 Sencha Touch, that is Nov 09 19:10:17 i think the jQ was not as sooth as Sencha.. Nov 09 19:10:33 smooth* Nov 09 19:10:36 yes, that's part of the reason. Sencha will utilize hardware animations and stuff Nov 09 19:10:43 ahh i see! Nov 09 19:10:49 also, jQ Mobile is in early alpha, remember Nov 09 19:10:58 Sencha Touch just released an RC Nov 09 19:11:00 Sencha is in RC :P Nov 09 19:11:02 yeah Nov 09 19:11:17 Sencha Touch is more of a complete, object-oriented framework, too Nov 09 19:11:19 Oki i am more happy about my choice now :) Nov 09 19:11:22 yeah Nov 09 19:11:27 I think Sencha Touch is very solid Nov 09 19:11:54 Ok, i just have to learn the "syntax" Nov 09 19:12:02 jQMo is being developed primarily by volunteers too; Sencha is a for-profit company Nov 09 19:12:29 yer. i Want the one with the best "support" and fixing problems Nov 09 19:12:32 (it is for work) Nov 09 19:12:39 Sencha. period. Nov 09 19:12:46 roger Nov 09 19:12:51 BUT, for commercial stuff, you'll pay for it unless you are fine with the GPL Nov 09 19:12:56 I use AppMobi also :) Nov 09 19:13:06 yer 99$ is no problem Nov 09 19:13:10 there ya go Nov 09 19:13:27 what do you use for editing? Nov 09 19:13:31 TextMate Nov 09 19:13:48 but thats for mac :o Nov 09 19:13:59 yep Nov 09 19:14:14 * hotdp is at a MS certf company Nov 09 19:14:18 AND IT IS AWESOME Nov 09 19:14:21 welp Nov 09 19:14:22 8) Nov 09 19:14:28 UltraEdit?? Nov 09 19:14:34 * halfhalo_T400 does not do programming on ms due to the lack of a good editor Nov 09 19:14:42 I dunno, I haven't done much with Win editors in a long while Nov 09 19:14:50 :( Nov 09 19:14:59 I use eclipse but don't think its "that" good.. Nov 09 19:14:59 Notepad++ is really good Nov 09 19:15:11 * halfhalo_T400 does not like notepad++ Nov 09 19:15:23 Eclipse is too clunky Nov 09 19:15:27 yes, it is Nov 09 19:15:30 ummmm jEdit? Nov 09 19:15:38 funkatron is a have some Q can i ask you? Nov 09 19:15:45 of course Nov 09 19:16:06 dunno if I'll have answers Nov 09 19:17:41 :) Nov 09 19:17:51 tim ewill tell :P Nov 09 19:27:41 * oilsworkn uses eclipse Nov 09 19:28:07 * halfhalo_T400 beats oil with the dead corpse of eclipse Nov 09 19:28:18 it works ok for me Nov 09 19:29:13 Can you implement jslint in eclipse? Nov 09 19:30:10 google: http://www.rockstarapps.com/joomla-1.5.8/products/jslint-eclipse-plugin.html Nov 09 19:43:54 thanks oil i give it a go Nov 09 19:50:35 lol Nov 09 19:50:47 Samsung Continuum looks like the webos notificationis :D Nov 09 19:50:51 but on a second screen Nov 09 19:51:07 but its not really two screens Nov 09 19:51:30 and that makes me sad Nov 09 19:51:32 http://www.pcworld.com/article/210074/samsung_continuum_for_verizon_first_impressions.html?tk=hp_new Nov 09 19:52:01 yeah, I saw it before Nov 09 19:52:17 But they took the cheap way out and used a single 4" screen instead of two Nov 09 19:52:28 hehe Nov 09 19:52:34 does it make any difference? Nov 09 19:53:02 Maybe Nov 09 20:03:59 bah, I liked my dark blue name better Nov 09 20:27:00 funkatron you there? Nov 09 20:27:07 yes Nov 09 20:27:19 do you know anything about "storage" an Sencha? Nov 09 20:27:29 Thinking about offline app Nov 09 20:28:56 yeah Nov 09 20:28:59 they do local storage Nov 09 20:29:04 see http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/docs/ Nov 09 20:29:20 Ext.Data.LocalStorageProxy Nov 09 20:29:36 i find there doc VERY buggy :s Nov 09 20:29:48 that's all I can tell ya Nov 09 20:30:04 you have not done any? Nov 09 20:30:56 I have not worked with that, no Nov 09 20:31:32 oki :s Nov 09 20:31:40 have like 17.000images i would like to have offline :d Nov 09 20:32:13 Alright, I give up. [^x] matches everything except x. How do I make that match everything except a longer string? Like, [^help] I'd want to match that whole string Nov 09 20:36:00 teemu: ummm...I'm thinking.... Nov 09 20:36:38 ^ means beginning of string or NOT, depending on where you use it, I think...I don't use the NOT version, so not sure how to wield it Nov 09 20:37:04 howdy folks Nov 09 20:37:26 teemu: can you give a better example of what you're trying to do? Nov 09 20:37:29 ajay: hiya Nov 09 20:37:32 webos pdk now avail? i thought it has been for awhile... Nov 09 20:38:18 it is available, topic was last set on June 25 Nov 09 20:38:46 Anybody ever experience a pre bein CRAZY? cant really do much.. (at least, most builtin apps dont work, e.g. email, phone list, messaging.. it keeps losing wifi/3g/phone signal (Pre+)) Nov 09 20:38:50