**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 13 02:59:57 2010 Nov 13 03:01:26 device info -> reset options Nov 13 03:44:24 Holy lol... WP7 apparently murders MicroSD cards. As if estimated opening weekend sales numbers of ~40k devices weren't funny enough to begin with... Nov 13 03:46:37 Cards "will no longer be readable or writable on any other devices such as computers, cameras, printers, and so on" XD Nov 13 03:47:36 being in #webos, i don't think we really have any right to scoff at numbers like 40k devices Nov 13 03:48:44 The Pre launch on Sprint was ~100k devices, from what I remember. Nov 13 03:49:06 So for something with a -lot- more hype and advertising budget behind it to only hit 40k is... Kind of sad. Nov 13 03:49:30 Not to mention the whole launching like, 6? Different phone models. Nov 13 03:49:40 Works out to maybe 8k a model opening weekend. Nov 13 03:49:54 they can ride it out Nov 13 03:50:25 launched on att where the iphone is and why get windows phone when you can get an android phone Nov 13 03:59:50 Guess what? Nov 13 03:59:58 (CC: oil) Nov 13 04:05:10 I just made an incredibly strong lapsang souchong Nov 13 04:05:14 tea is amazing Nov 13 05:40:03 Thursday evening meetup for @palm #devday signup: http://bit.ly/brcUYF Nov 13 05:49:06 I wish I could go, but I have school and work Nov 13 06:35:42 anyone work with iOS? Nov 13 06:40:18 negative Nov 13 06:52:08 alexfner: u woking on iOS? Nov 13 06:52:15 yeah Nov 13 06:52:35 it is all Objective C right? Nov 13 06:53:07 so stoked, got a project approved by a board of doctors =) Nov 13 06:53:27 yeah it's obj c Nov 13 06:56:49 it seems cool, but no time for anything but webos Nov 13 07:02:33 pretty quite in here Nov 13 07:55:02 kesne_: did you sort out your chat issue? Nov 13 11:42:50 is there anyone in here who could really help me with debugging my app on a pixi? Nov 13 12:58:55 afternoon Nov 13 13:15:59 still noone around who could help out debugging my app on pixi? Nov 13 13:27:08 i have one Nov 13 13:27:14 pixi plus (gsm) Nov 13 13:38:50 I wonder how the spinner works. I cannot get it to work, weird. Nov 13 13:39:43 you gotta turn it on Nov 13 13:39:47 yer :D Nov 13 13:40:07 http://www.webos101.com/Spinner Nov 13 13:59:09 I turn it on right when I initiate it Nov 13 14:00:05 And it does not spin? Nov 13 14:01:17 no, it actually doesn't even show Nov 13 14:06:39 this.controller.get("mainSpinner") returns null. Nov 13 14:07:21

and this is the first line in my main-scene.html Nov 13 14:08:59 pastebin the code Nov 13 14:11:57 http://pastebin.com/TMUaEggM Nov 13 14:30:33 class="spinnerClass" Nov 13 14:30:39 missing Nov 13 14:33:27 ok, usually this is not required Nov 13 14:34:04 per Palm's page, the class is optional, but I will try it anyways Nov 13 14:35:08 this: this.controller.get("mainSpinner") still returns null Nov 13 14:42:46 the div just isn't there when I look with the Inspector Nov 13 14:42:52 that's the whole issue Nov 13 14:48:09 ahh Nov 13 14:48:17 Ares or ? Nov 13 14:48:42 Have you tryed and place the Spinner somewhere else in the scene? Nov 13 14:49:30 No Ares, just Eclipse Nov 13 14:49:34 yes I did and no change Nov 13 14:51:51 I will just restart Eclipse Nov 13 14:51:59 I think I recall such a weird bug at some other moment Nov 13 14:52:10 any change I do in HTML files do not take effect Nov 13 14:53:25 ahh Nov 13 14:56:58 hi all Nov 13 14:57:59 TQOS!! Nov 13 14:58:07 Bmyers!!! Nov 13 14:58:10 good morning Nov 13 14:58:20 morn'n sunshine Nov 13 14:58:37 it's so cold! 70 degrees Nov 13 14:58:50 ok, solved, I don't know what the problem was, maybe it had something to do with locales Nov 13 14:59:31 oh poor u.. Nov 13 14:59:49 sniffles.... Nov 13 15:00:04 now, I just need to figure out how to put a shaded background as in Style Matters Nov 13 15:00:53 Spanska: you mean scrim? Nov 13 15:01:38 Bmyers: maybe, I am not sure what scrim means Nov 13 15:02:11 I think that's what I'm looking for, yes Nov 13 15:02:42 i think it starts with a g... Nov 13 15:03:25 scrim is like an overlay Nov 13 15:03:39 Bmyers he says that he can not get any html changes Nov 13 15:03:43 hi JenP Nov 13 15:04:05 hi hotdp! Nov 13 15:04:13 sorry Bmyers i did not read it all Nov 13 15:04:21 yes it must be scrim.. Nov 13 15:04:24 it works! woohoo! Nov 13 15:04:36 \o/ Nov 13 15:15:13 (going to put my arms down now) Nov 13 15:20:27 google image search must be broke Nov 13 15:21:08 i searched for family guy (settings: large, black & white. clipart) and i only got 2 family guy hits, but a ton of popular stuff (which i'll take) Nov 13 16:13:41 http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/107618403.html?video=pop&t=a&bctid=CLIP_ID_392006 Nov 13 16:13:42 LOLz Nov 13 16:14:07 WI got pwned by sprint outage Nov 13 16:15:02 haha Nov 13 16:15:07 they had to blur the tweets about it Nov 13 16:15:27 hahahha Nov 13 16:16:04 "How's your Sprint service tonight?" TODAY'S TMJ4 asked Epiphany Gold. Nov 13 16:16:04 "Horrible," she said before the question was completely out. "I can't even call customer service. It's ridiculous. I couldn't call 911 if I needed to!" Nov 13 16:16:10 what the hell kind of name is that? Nov 13 16:16:14 Epiphany Gold Nov 13 16:16:20 nk Nov 13 16:18:15 hrm Nov 13 16:18:26 i keep hearing about this eBuddy app for droid/iphone Nov 13 16:18:43 they also have it in java, as well as for PSP, Nintendo DS Nov 13 16:18:46 but no webOS Nov 13 16:24:32 http://i.imgur.com/b30pu.gif Nov 13 16:24:59 http://geekswithballs.org/ - heh Nov 13 16:25:59 dawm: why did I think quidditch? Nov 13 16:28:11 even tho i shouldnt have Nov 13 16:28:20 hey who made paratroopers? Nov 13 16:28:21 i just bought a tivo, since it was $200 off (and brand new) Nov 13 16:29:51 JenP: rbredow Nov 13 16:29:52 dawm: welcome to 5 yrs ago.. Nov 13 16:30:10 or rbredrow, something like that Nov 13 16:30:36 I want to find one of the old replay tv boxes with commercial skip Nov 13 16:30:48 sugardave: mythtv Nov 13 16:30:54 yeah, that, too Nov 13 16:30:57 THE way to watch tv Nov 13 16:31:05 eats commercials Nov 13 16:31:08 is there a new guide solution? Nov 13 16:31:17 schedulesdirect.org Nov 13 16:31:22 $20/ys Nov 13 16:31:26 cool Nov 13 16:31:26 yr ^ Nov 13 16:31:34 one day Nov 13 16:31:50 man now every device hooked to my livingroom tv has netflix access.. how redundant is that Nov 13 16:31:55 xbox360,ps3,tivo Nov 13 16:32:31 dawm: no wii? Nov 13 16:32:37 what about sony ? Nov 13 16:32:39 im too old for a wii :P Nov 13 16:32:44 ps3 Nov 13 16:33:06 + Move, is a wii better Nov 13 16:33:07 ps2!! i am married w/children Nov 13 16:33:24 i have to wait until my kids get something new for christmas Nov 13 16:33:25 I have my PS2, as well :D Nov 13 16:33:44 I think my launch PS3 is getting near the end of its life, though Nov 13 16:33:57 and I"m pissed that new ones don't have backwards compatibility Nov 13 16:34:00 like die? Nov 13 16:34:01 just picked up some 360's with the RROD Nov 13 16:34:03 theres not any games for the Wii that i'd enjoy Nov 13 16:34:06 if EA would make a new SSX, it wouldn't matter Nov 13 16:34:11 Is there a way to get the number of bytes in an object? Nov 13 16:34:13 call of duty for wii? Nov 13 16:34:17 javascript Nov 13 16:34:19 plus ive got 360 and PS3 so i dont need a gamecube remake Nov 13 16:34:26 hotdp: yeah, it has some issues Nov 13 16:34:46 I should probably back it up, it's been a while Nov 13 16:35:00 OR, I could play some Warhawk instead Nov 13 16:35:02 hmmm... Nov 13 16:47:50 anybody have problems with a webview where the bottom of the page disappears into the checkerboard pattern after you scroll to it? It wasn't doing this the other day :S Nov 13 16:54:37 nvm, don't use virtualpageheight :D Nov 13 17:02:06 hm i don't like the ppl from the appstore (customers). they are dumb. Nov 13 17:02:15 yeah Nov 13 17:02:18 welcome to the club Nov 13 17:02:40 they rate my app with a sense with 0-1 stars, but the 100th fart-app has 5%5 stars Nov 13 17:03:03 dont forget the boob apps Nov 13 17:03:06 *5/5 Nov 13 17:04:15 I like the ones that lie and say shit like "no response from developer." Well, sure, if you didn't send me anything, I can't really respond, can I? Nov 13 17:04:49 and "this app sux, i cant download it" 0 *'s Nov 13 17:05:05 sweet, _I_ get to design the JSON structure for this project Nov 13 17:09:21 sugardave did you talk to chuq about the bad ratings? Nov 13 17:09:22 you are SO lucky Nov 13 17:10:36 hotdp: I did, he said he would consider removing it, but it is still there, so I guess he decided not to Nov 13 17:10:53 ok, altså my experience Nov 13 17:10:58 also* Nov 13 17:11:09 I think there is alot of politic in it Nov 13 17:11:12 Bmyers: better than trying to use theirs...the last time I got a content menu from them, I think the guy who did it only knows XML, so it was pretty horrid Nov 13 17:11:18 don't think they will ever remove comments :s Nov 13 17:11:42 sugardave what JSON project are you talking about? Nov 13 17:11:48 hotdp: I just gave myself a 5-star rating and put in the comment that the particular user was lying Nov 13 17:11:52 about all I can do Nov 13 17:12:02 lol i did the same :) Nov 13 17:12:07 but still.. Nov 13 17:12:19 hotdp: an app for a client, content to be served from his server, etc. Nov 13 17:12:32 tell them the app send the GPS coords and you're heading to their house RIGHT NOW Nov 13 17:13:12 client? ibm? Nov 13 17:13:22 I'm seriously considering writing the Real Reviews app...that might put a lot of this stupid shit to rest Nov 13 17:13:34 ahh good idea! Nov 13 17:13:41 hotdp: nah, some guy in Caliornia, I've done a couple of other projects for him already Nov 13 17:13:41 "give dev's a break" Nov 13 17:13:44 repeat business Nov 13 17:13:55 you should also add every chance you can get to head them off at the pass Nov 13 17:13:56 "sont give 0 stars if there is 1 spelling error" Nov 13 17:14:29 serius! If you don't do that app i think i will? Nov 13 17:14:33 you have to give users other ways to get your attention that have more visability to them than the app cat Nov 13 17:14:37 hotdp: more like a system where devs register their app (maybe a small fee to keep out morons) and then an app that users/devs can download to leave and respond to reviews Nov 13 17:14:42 people will always give shitty reviews for dumb reasons. the only way to really combat it is to allow dev response Nov 13 17:14:57 never happen Nov 13 17:14:59 funkatron: ^^^^ Nov 13 17:15:07 I was thinking on a free app where i can tell people how to make reviews and rate fair Nov 13 17:15:12 Bmyers: will never happen from Palm Nov 13 17:15:16 you could also limit it by presenting help/support contact info to the use *before* they write the review Nov 13 17:15:21 but nothing stopping a dev from making it :D Nov 13 17:16:20 hotdp: yeah, I had thought of that, too...but then I thought how funny it would be if there was a place devs could respond :D Nov 13 17:17:24 sugardave yer! Nov 13 17:17:36 we can complain to palm at dev day :PO Nov 13 17:17:41 haha Nov 13 17:17:46 but, if you sweat reviews too much, you're gonna be unhappy. people bitch. Nov 13 17:18:13 http://bit.ly/usersareassholes Nov 13 17:18:21 somewhere there's a video of me giving that talk Nov 13 17:18:35 haha Nov 13 17:27:51 lol Nov 13 17:28:01 funkatron: great. Nov 13 17:29:16 funkatron: I feel more enlightened after reading Nov 13 17:29:22 excellent Nov 13 17:30:56 why is precentral's app count higher than palm's? Nov 13 17:38:16 crap, so you remove virtualpageheight to fix the checkerboard issue, but on the device it leaves a page's worth of black background at the bottom of the webview...wtf? Nov 13 17:39:44 dohtem payed ot not? Nov 13 17:42:15 howdy hotdp Nov 13 17:42:46 hey LoneStar99 :) Nov 13 17:43:08 * hotdp are having bad hang over Nov 13 17:43:12 happy weekend Nov 13 17:43:56 * hotdp got alot of scotch with his gf's dad Nov 13 17:44:34 * hotdp blames oil Nov 13 17:44:59 hotdp, that is always a good thing =) what scotch? Nov 13 17:45:24 pretty standard Nov 13 17:45:28 Laphrog 10 years Nov 13 17:45:44 *Laphroaig Nov 13 17:45:52 nice have seen it, but never had it Nov 13 17:46:00 http://www.forpeatsake.com/Images/Bottles/Laphroaig/Laphroaig_Laphroaig_10_Year_Old_10_.jpg Nov 13 17:46:12 it has some "smoke" Nov 13 17:46:26 brb Nov 13 17:46:40 that is a perfect drink for that bar link you sent me in NYC =( Nov 13 17:52:51 hehehe Nov 13 17:52:54 :) Nov 13 17:55:52 gonna have some beers on the beach in a ffew hours Nov 13 17:56:16 gool Nov 13 17:56:25 Here it is "winter" :S Nov 13 17:57:16 hotdp: beta Nov 13 17:58:02 oki Nov 13 17:58:10 27.8C here Nov 13 17:59:00 :/ Nov 13 17:59:05 I miss summer Nov 13 17:59:23 need to move to some place where the summer is longer then here Nov 13 17:59:25 anyone know of a site with tiny mp3 sounds like 1-2 sec sounds? Nov 13 17:59:37 hotdp: san diego =) Nov 13 17:59:55 they don't call it "sunny" san diego for nothing Nov 13 18:00:44 what about IT jobs in sd? Nov 13 18:01:04 what kind of sound do you need? Nov 13 18:01:41 just like something for an IM, when a new conversation comes in Nov 13 18:03:26 ahh Nov 13 18:03:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw - awesome play Nov 13 18:03:57 hotdp qualcomm, oracle, univerties, start-ups, samsung, aeronatical companies, etc... Nov 13 18:04:20 LoneStar99 http://www.soundjay.com/ Nov 13 18:04:47 dohtem WTF? Nov 13 18:04:56 hotdp: thanks Nov 13 18:06:11 hotdp: that site rocks, will get the sounds from it =) Nov 13 18:06:18 :) Nov 13 18:06:22 still in mexico?´ Nov 13 18:07:50 hotdp: yeah till after xmas then back to SD Nov 13 18:08:16 if i was in the US, would have been going 2 dev days forsure Nov 13 18:08:17 note: set both device-width AND device-height in your meta tags Nov 13 18:08:24 it sure helps Nov 13 18:12:21 sugardave is it webos app your making for the client? Nov 13 18:12:59 are there other kinds? :D Nov 13 18:13:10 yeah, this is all I do as far as apps go :) Nov 13 18:13:16 hotdp: crazy huh Nov 13 18:13:37 it allows me to focus :P Nov 13 18:19:21 anyone tried putting flot based images in a listwidget? Nov 13 18:22:38 does it pay bettter than your own apps? Nov 13 18:26:40 hotdp: so far, most definitely Nov 13 18:26:54 cool Nov 13 18:27:03 hemna: you mean float via css? Nov 13 18:27:10 there is no chane i could code for webos in Denmark Nov 13 18:27:11 no Nov 13 18:27:16 chance* Nov 13 18:27:22 I mean images rendered by the flot library Nov 13 18:27:32 hemna: ah, no idea what that is :D Nov 13 18:27:49 http://code.google.com/p/flot/ Nov 13 18:27:50 hotdp: http://bit.ly/9VADNV I use Elance Nov 13 18:27:56 it's a graphing library for js Nov 13 18:28:06 hemna: ooo, cool Nov 13 18:28:16 it works well in webos Nov 13 18:28:33 but I'd like to put some flot rendered images in a list widget Nov 13 18:28:35 I haven't tried any jquery yet Nov 13 18:28:51 seems to work even in 1.x Nov 13 18:29:01 I thought jquery might conflict with prototype Nov 13 18:29:05 but it seems to work ok Nov 13 18:31:25 cool sugardave! recommend? Nov 13 18:32:32 yeah, it works for me....elance basically escrows the payments and takes a cut (almost 10%) Nov 13 18:33:12 there aren't a lot of webos opportunities, but I've made a bit this year (started in March) Nov 13 18:34:05 nice Nov 13 18:34:16 I'd like to do some freelance webos work as well Nov 13 18:34:24 since I'm stuck doing java at work bleh Nov 13 18:34:39 check it out, I search for webos and/or palm once a week or so Nov 13 18:36:14 hi all Nov 13 18:36:25 ahh so "you*" search the task? Nov 13 18:36:30 hi JenP Nov 13 18:36:36 hey sugardave Nov 13 18:36:38 anyone wanna do a quick test of my app. It's in the beta feed Nov 13 18:36:43 hotdp: or if you belong to certain groups, you can get invited to bid on jobs Nov 13 18:37:14 hotdp: every once in a while I will get opportunities to bid on some drupal projects and a few times from webos Nov 13 18:37:40 i see Nov 13 18:37:45 there is alot of html 5 jobs Nov 13 18:38:03 yeah, there are a lot o different areas where people are making money Nov 13 18:38:27 dohtem: what app? Nov 13 18:38:30 sugardave do you prefer drupal over joomla? Nov 13 18:38:45 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.almadencode.hackernews - sugardave Nov 13 18:39:12 JenP: never looked at joomla before :D I fell into Drupal a few years ago when I was setting up a gaming clan site, and now I just stick with it :D Nov 13 18:39:27 ah i c Nov 13 18:39:35 sugardave: whipped that up yesterday when I found out there was a 3rd party api Nov 13 18:39:38 sugardave are you getting the Pre 2 ? (maybe at dev days) Nov 13 18:40:17 hotdp: if they're handing them out, I'm not going to refuse it ;) Nov 13 18:40:40 if you have to pay 200? Nov 13 18:41:25 I'll look into getting the unlocked euro one...that way I can use it as a travel phone if they send me out of the country again Nov 13 18:41:48 :) Nov 13 18:42:05 * hotdp have still not seen his dev device (Pre+) Nov 13 18:42:25 I don't have that, either...thinking of emailing Peter, but I might as well wait until after dev day now Nov 13 18:42:46 i will be buying a dev pre 2, i am sure they will hand them out free at dev days =( Nov 13 18:42:47 I say Nov 13 18:43:09 Ben said in London that there would be Pre 2 for devas Nov 13 18:43:11 devs Nov 13 18:43:16 for a "small amount" Nov 13 18:43:23 dohtem: looks nice...is it supposed to do anything yet? :D Nov 13 18:43:32 Ben C Nov 13 18:43:36 hotdp: got the sounds i need from the site u sent, thanks Nov 13 18:43:47 np LoneStar99 :D Nov 13 18:44:48 will add sounds to my apps tommara, today is sun/sand/brew day in about an hour Nov 13 18:45:03 what u all think the dev pre 2 will cost like $250? Nov 13 18:45:22 no idea Nov 13 18:45:27 A "small amount" :) Nov 13 18:45:41 wonder if my palm pre + was sent to texas... Nov 13 18:45:50 sugardave: not yet. :) Just a pretty list now but Im still working on it. Nov 13 18:46:18 I figure I will get one as a dev device (and aforementioned travel phone) and limp my minus along until something better appears for sprint Nov 13 18:46:39 sugardave...me too Nov 13 18:46:58 dohtem: cool, well it looks nice and will be useful/fun Nov 13 18:50:27 Chinese build 15 story hotel in 6 days, link contains video http://uoid.me Nov 13 18:50:47 then falls apart in 2 minutes? Nov 13 18:50:49 sugardave: thanks. I'll keep you updated Nov 13 18:50:50 sorry http://uoid.me/hotel2 Nov 13 18:51:05 freaking nuts Nov 13 18:51:16 Made in China. Fast. Nov 13 18:51:48 out of lead? Nov 13 18:52:11 the video, is impressive Nov 13 18:52:15 and bad drywall :) Nov 13 18:52:28 aspestos! Nov 13 18:52:37 asbestos, even Nov 13 18:52:50 lol Nov 13 18:52:51 no, the b's went on a hunger strike Nov 13 18:53:12 damn, the video is impressive Nov 13 18:53:29 little children installing electrical systems Nov 13 18:54:22 I wonder if that was made by the same company that made all those schools that collapsed Nov 13 18:54:47 oh prefab..that's why Nov 13 18:54:49 Loudergood: good question... probably lol Nov 13 19:49:56 does the video camera have an api? Nov 13 19:59:59 no Nov 13 20:01:33 :) Nov 13 20:05:07 evening Nov 13 20:08:55 hi swisstomcat Nov 13 20:09:12 hey Nov 13 20:11:42 hallo metaview Nov 13 20:12:24 evnig swisstomcat Nov 13 20:13:02 hi hotdp Nov 13 20:13:14 thinking about getting an ipad to start tablet development Nov 13 20:14:27 gj :) Nov 13 20:14:35 then we can share experience :) Nov 13 20:14:40 yeah Nov 13 20:14:55 The is alot of corporate things you can dev Nov 13 20:14:57 then i need to get a webos tablet prototype next Nov 13 20:15:08 our customers love the iPad.. Nov 13 20:15:14 heh Nov 13 20:15:15 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs471.ash2/74469_10150299850925290_191187460289_15829080_6219208_n.jpg Nov 13 20:15:21 that finger seems oddly placed Nov 13 20:15:47 what's that a pic of? Nov 13 20:15:57 HP's lobby Nov 13 20:16:01 head office lobby Nov 13 20:16:03 hi ho Nov 13 20:16:03 how far are you with the development, hotdp? Nov 13 20:16:23 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=571878&id=191187460289#!/photo.php?fbid=10150299850925290&set=a.10150299850900290.571878.191187460289&pid=15829080&id=191187460289 Nov 13 20:16:33 err oops Nov 13 20:16:34 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=571878&id=191187460289#!/album.php?aid=571878&id=191187460289 Nov 13 20:16:36 I have made a prototype, so i could estimate the task, now i wait for the client to say "go" Nov 13 20:16:38 thats the album of the lobby Nov 13 20:22:24 http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/one-trillion-dollars-video/ Nov 13 20:51:56 HAve you heard if the "activation" is fixed if you buy a UK Pre 2? Nov 13 20:52:01 I am thinking on othe payed apps.. Nov 13 20:54:29 oh Nov 13 20:54:32 no, haven't heard Nov 13 20:54:42 :S if it is no fixed its VERY bad Nov 13 20:54:49 i can see they can ship to Denmark Nov 13 20:54:50 yeah Nov 13 20:54:59 i'll still wait a bit Nov 13 20:55:08 to see the pricing of the developer phones Nov 13 20:55:31 me2 Nov 13 20:57:01 But if did not know it and the phones was locked without paid apps i would not pay another palm phone :D Nov 13 20:57:43 yeah, i agree Nov 13 21:28:12 http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/games/articles/78049.aspx -- sad, I'm trying to get all these Nov 13 21:32:48 * oil hasnt played angry birds in a while Nov 13 21:32:56 * oil got to levels he couldnt pass Nov 13 21:33:34 the level with the boomerang birds and all the balloons >:C Nov 13 21:34:01 * oil got that one Nov 13 21:34:14 * dohtem beat all of it. Nov 13 21:34:30 some levels were hard tho.. almost threw this phone across the room Nov 13 21:35:27 * oil would stop playing before throwing his phone anywhere but into a pocket Nov 13 21:35:49 when you are on the can, there's time Nov 13 21:36:09 i'm at golden eggs #10 Nov 13 21:36:10 stuck Nov 13 21:40:21 * hotdp looking forward to play Angry Birds alot on the plain to NYC ;) Nov 13 21:41:00 yeah watch me kill my battery on the train Nov 13 21:48:17 * oil is looking forward on in-flight wifi on the plane to nyc Nov 13 21:48:31 the whole of the internet > angry birds Nov 13 21:48:36 when it comes to killing time Nov 13 21:49:36 sleeping beats all when it comes to that Nov 13 21:49:43 true Nov 13 21:49:46 but yeah the internet is a good second Nov 13 21:49:51 but sometimes its hard to sleep on a plane Nov 13 21:50:05 I wonder if you'll be able to stay connected to something like IRC or not.. Nov 13 21:50:20 people have been in here wircing from their planes before Nov 13 21:50:26 true Nov 13 21:50:29 they werent constantly reconnecting or anything Nov 13 21:50:38 i believe it all goes over sattelite Nov 13 21:50:54 so as long as you dont fly to the other side of the earth out of view of the sat, i dont think it would be a problem xD Nov 13 21:51:16 It's not sattellite, it's weird Nov 13 21:51:44 how do they do it if not sats? Nov 13 21:51:49 it's basically a giant ground based network that connects to the plane and then gets broadcast within the plane over Wifi Nov 13 21:52:14 it's like cell towers if instead of trying to cover the most area side to side, they cover the most area straight up Nov 13 21:54:18 that seems, very inefficient Nov 13 21:55:32 latency can be a lot better with ground based wireless Nov 13 21:55:43