**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 14 02:59:59 2010 Nov 14 03:03:47 * halfhalo chooses option b Nov 14 03:04:20 was that "give up"? Nov 14 03:04:36 option 1.5 Nov 14 03:20:17 oil: greetings Nov 14 03:20:25 hi Nov 14 03:20:57 oil: i was advised that you are a game developer? :) Nov 14 03:21:14 i wrote a couple simple games a while ago Nov 14 03:21:20 oh ok Nov 14 03:21:26 * halfhalo laughs Nov 14 03:21:27 oil: im trying to get into gaming :) Nov 14 03:23:06 ah Nov 14 03:24:07 pointers? :) Nov 14 03:26:04 not really Nov 14 03:26:05 lol Nov 14 03:26:09 make it fun? Nov 14 03:29:15 :\ Nov 14 04:18:24 Templarian: Hey, any hope you might update the plugin to work with, um, something? Nov 14 04:19:44 Templarian: the latest SDK, that is. Nov 14 04:25:45 Roy-Pre101: he open sourced on github or google code Nov 14 04:32:25 Did he? Nov 14 04:32:30 I didn't know that. Nov 14 04:32:49 Not sure want to/have time to dig into that. :P Nov 14 04:33:15 Roy-Pre101: yea no, not happening. Nov 14 04:33:34 Sorry, I've completely shifted to WP7 development. Nov 14 04:33:36 Totally into the WP7? Nov 14 04:34:27 * oil hopes Templarian will keep doing images for all the webosinternals apps :) Nov 14 04:34:29 Feeling sanguine about that after the launch still? Nov 14 04:35:44 Very, I'm developing an application at the moment. Still waiting for a sprint device. Nov 14 04:37:27 I probably will port some stuff to WP7. Nov 14 04:37:48 Just afraid it won't take off... I guess we'll see in a few months. Nov 14 04:38:20 The devices are really nice. I figure most will be upgrading phones around the holiday times. Nov 14 04:40:00 I think it will sell, but not at first Nov 14 04:41:32 i would expect w7 devices to sell around business fiscal budgets in the corporate world Nov 14 04:41:58 Which is basically a full year out probably. Nov 14 04:42:42 and who else bets that ms will have a full court press on advertising Nov 14 04:42:47 Hopefully the Palm Pre 2 does good, still want to see a nice webOS tablet. Nov 14 04:43:06 halfhalo: they already do... those commercials play like constantly. Nov 14 04:43:14 yup Nov 14 04:43:26 and they have the money to continue with it for a good long while Nov 14 04:43:54 Kinect seems to be selling well so those will keep going all the way up through the holiday season. Nov 14 04:44:12 yeah Nov 14 04:44:35 1 billion dollar budget shared between the two products btw. Nov 14 04:45:02 (or something like that can't remember what they said online) Nov 14 04:45:03 The thing with wp7 is that its just like webos at launch... but wp7 has the advertising to overcome that Nov 14 04:45:17 Played with kinect back at e3, it was fun Nov 14 04:45:19 * oil uses copy/paste a lot Nov 14 04:45:41 Honestly, I rarely use it, on both the pre and epic Nov 14 04:45:50 Yea, I never use it. Once a month at most. Nov 14 04:45:53 mostly because I can't be arsed to learn it Nov 14 04:46:03 * oil uses it daily Nov 14 04:46:10 (shh, context based copy paste is definitely going to be there) Nov 14 04:47:49 The XNA game side of things appears to be pulling a lot of the game devs, so that should be good. Nov 14 04:53:37 Templarian: Where is the code for the add-on anyhow? Nov 14 04:57:31 nevermind, I found it. Nov 14 04:59:14 Roy-Pre101: what is your email just incase you get bored enough. Nov 14 04:59:29 pre101@pre101.com Nov 14 04:59:31 Plus you are active enough you can set people as contributors. Nov 14 04:59:53 fair 'nuff. Nov 14 05:00:17 Done. Nov 14 05:00:56 Going to have to figure out how the whole thing works, I guess. Nov 14 05:03:42 http://code.google.com/p/komodo-webos/source/browse/trunk/content/overlay.panel.main.xul#246 Nov 14 05:04:00 I'll link it in the main content for the wiki the important parts that are broken. Nov 14 05:22:03 Templarian: I'll have to poke around and find out where the palm-package call is and find out why it doesn't work anymore Nov 14 05:23:02 Is there some sort of packaging you need to do on it or can you edit directly in the komodo directory? Nov 14 05:41:40 Roy-Pre101: the macro in that folder will do it for you. Nov 14 05:41:54 Good deal Nov 14 05:43:48 (might need to be updated for komodo 6.0 project) Nov 14 06:22:17 Is 6.0 released? My 5.x said no updates were out. Nov 14 06:37:45 hi all Nov 14 06:47:44 Hey all Nov 14 06:49:37 Anybody here? Nov 14 06:49:53 hey kesne. Nov 14 06:50:01 JenP! Nov 14 06:50:07 Whats up! Nov 14 06:50:13 kesne!!! Nov 14 06:50:16 not much. you? Nov 14 06:51:17 Working on villo Nov 14 06:51:21 As always Nov 14 06:53:28 villo? Nov 14 07:17:30 JenP: Ah, I didn't see the window, sorry Nov 14 07:17:45 Villo is my new online service Nov 14 07:26:55 JenP: It seems we both will be developing webos, so lets be friends. Nov 14 07:28:21 Why should we be all bitter about things out of our control Nov 14 07:29:40 I will kindly give u code. Nov 14 07:30:51 I say truce Nov 14 07:30:59 LoneStar99: Did something happen between you two Nov 14 07:32:50 ? Nov 14 07:36:36 ... Nov 14 07:36:57 yes Nov 14 07:37:19 What happened? Nov 14 07:37:51 I want to make it better Nov 14 07:38:52 I am ready Nov 14 07:39:20 But what happened? Nov 14 07:41:00 cant go into details, but I yo make it right between us Nov 14 07:41:53 Jenp left? Nov 14 07:41:56 :O Nov 14 07:45:04 she gave me an opportunity and i did not have the coding skills Nov 14 07:45:16 OH I see Nov 14 07:49:38 howdy swisstomcat Nov 14 07:49:45 hey lonestar Nov 14 07:50:28 your new baby born yet Nov 14 07:50:34 not yet Nov 14 07:50:45 could be any time now Nov 14 07:50:54 k, boy or girl Nov 14 07:51:07 second boy Nov 14 07:51:33 cool alot of boys Nov 14 07:51:51 boys rock :) Nov 14 07:52:21 went to the airport yesterday with my son to look at old military planes Nov 14 07:52:34 he's 2 and a half .. and already interested :) Nov 14 07:52:43 which plane did he like? Nov 14 07:53:45 the me-109 Nov 14 07:55:01 he needs 2 see the F-22 Nov 14 07:56:16 yeah, that'd be cool Nov 14 07:56:24 or the sr-71 Nov 14 07:56:39 the f-22 was killed as a project, 2 much money Nov 14 07:57:24 but it was awesome Nov 14 07:58:25 my favorite plane of all time is the f-14 Nov 14 07:58:43 tomcat Nov 14 07:59:07 like your handle Nov 14 08:00:25 the most impressive commercial plane was the concorde Nov 14 08:01:45 the b-2 is the shit Nov 14 08:02:12 sr-71 is killer Nov 14 08:02:27 yeah, i like the tomcat .. hence my name Nov 14 08:02:37 yeah Nov 14 08:02:42 what about the b-52? Nov 14 08:02:57 good bomber Nov 14 08:04:18 brbin 5 Nov 14 08:06:55 sr-71 brilliant Nov 14 08:12:16 yeah, remember seeing it in NYC and also in AZ Nov 14 08:15:04 all i know broke code with a very hot girl Nov 14 08:15:46 i need 2 go back 2 san diego Nov 14 08:17:06 a nice place Nov 14 08:17:28 i am in mexico now Nov 14 08:18:56 like from 1-10 this girl is a 9.0 Nov 14 08:19:48 wow Nov 14 08:19:54 mexican? Nov 14 08:21:09 very nice Nov 14 08:39:49 anyone knows if webos 2.0 doctors for old palm pre will come out Nov 14 09:20:16 pitpit24: i heard "soon" Nov 14 09:20:22 whatever that means Nov 14 09:32:59 good morning Nov 14 09:33:27 swiss, did you get the pre's? Nov 14 09:33:45 no yet Nov 14 09:36:23 howdy boys Nov 14 09:36:52 oki :-) thought you where the swiss connection Nov 14 09:37:43 lonestar how was the beach? Nov 14 09:38:02 met a vey hot girl Nov 14 09:38:27 and? :-) Nov 14 09:38:34 simple, but I need to leave Nov 14 09:38:55 nothing happened Nov 14 09:38:59 i understand Nov 14 09:39:17 but atleast i broke the code Nov 14 09:39:57 i see, that's good for sd Nov 14 09:41:18 hotdp: i can break to much code that is not code Nov 14 09:43:25 anyways. i got a project to build it will take 1.2 months to build, after that, going back to texas for 1.5 months to learn what the docs have Nov 14 09:44:57 by that time the Palm Tablet will be, so just need to build the system Nov 14 09:45:56 docs? Nov 14 09:46:11 doctors Nov 14 09:48:43 mark may words, here boys, gonna buy a place in la jolla SD, for 7 million Nov 14 09:49:01 hehe cool Nov 14 09:49:06 oyo Nov 14 09:49:55 not today, but in 2011 Nov 14 09:50:44 2011 is the lucky year Nov 14 09:50:50 la jolla .. nice Nov 14 09:50:51 can i visit? ;-) Nov 14 09:50:57 which code did you break? Nov 14 09:51:37 i break world code Nov 14 09:52:26 nothing to do with programming code Nov 14 09:52:30 oh Nov 14 09:52:37 you mean the code of the universe? Nov 14 09:52:46 nope Nov 14 09:52:49 the universal formula for everything? Nov 14 09:53:15 nothing like that, Nov 14 09:54:12 it is hard to explain, but I am pretty good at it Nov 14 09:54:31 i thought you broke the girl's code Nov 14 09:55:04 yes i did Nov 14 09:56:31 that's a good start to understand the universe Nov 14 09:58:48 not a king at chicks, just taking every risk Nov 14 09:59:53 taking every instance of life and is all Nov 14 10:00:04 that's a good idea Nov 14 10:00:24 life is like a box of chocolate ... you never know what you get Nov 14 10:00:39 forrest gump Nov 14 10:01:16 hotdp knows where I was Nov 14 10:01:47 brb in 5 Nov 14 10:04:49 undefined Nov 14 10:04:55 :-) Nov 14 10:05:07 hmm Nov 14 10:05:21 42 Nov 14 10:05:25 that's the answer to everything Nov 14 10:11:14 i have not brooken the woman code yet Nov 14 10:11:24 after 8 years Nov 14 10:11:40 i still find some bugs in the code Nov 14 10:11:43 haha Nov 14 10:11:45 same here Nov 14 10:16:52 my cousin just told me to 2 sleep Nov 14 10:18:16 i guess he just does understand what a new life about Nov 14 10:18:59 drinking water now Nov 14 10:21:08 walked away from a family that was worth about $30million Nov 14 10:21:12 + Nov 14 10:21:33 maybe like 50mill Nov 14 10:25:06 monay is not everything Nov 14 10:27:41 nope Nov 14 10:29:26 but was with a girl, almost my wife , that no one would have ever thought Nov 14 10:31:23 anyway I want a pre 2? Nov 14 10:31:32 ! Nov 14 10:33:07 brb Nov 14 10:33:13 :-) Nov 14 10:42:28 perhaps i am wrong, should go 2 sleep Nov 14 10:44:19 anyways, bros will chat later, and I do have a very good plan. Nov 14 12:10:21 hi all Nov 14 12:10:42 looking for some quick help with my palm pre Nov 14 12:11:02 ? Nov 14 12:11:18 everynow and again my pre acts like it has no 3G connection despite the icon being there Nov 14 12:11:34 turning on airplane mode and off again fixes it, it gives me a new IP Nov 14 12:11:45 is there something like ipconfig /renew all Nov 14 12:11:45 Have you talked to Palm Support? Nov 14 12:12:37 not yet, i'm hoping there is a quick command i can run or something that will quickly fix it Nov 14 12:12:47 it only happens in certain areas it seems Nov 14 12:15:42 HMM Nov 14 12:15:58 so its always like that?also when you have reset your pre` Nov 14 12:18:08 not always. ocasionally it will just keep spinning the web browser loading icon. things would load fine before and then suddenly stop. it comes back on if i leave it long enough, an airplane mode toggle works straight away in most cases Nov 14 12:18:18 resetting the pre also works but takes even longer Nov 14 12:18:28 I understand Nov 14 12:18:36 but it is "always" a problem`? Nov 14 12:18:42 it looses 3g after som time? Nov 14 12:20:02 yes i think so, it's almost like i get cut off after using it for a bit, like being throttled almost Nov 14 12:21:30 i plan to doctor this phone for a nice clean start with 2.0, maybe things will improve with that Nov 14 17:21:04 Hi there. is there a patch anywhere out there which lets you connect to caldav calendars without using google? Nov 14 18:08:16 hi Nov 14 18:11:34 hi Nov 14 18:11:43 Hi Nov 14 18:11:52 Hi Nov 14 18:38:06 is there a log for palm-package and palm-install Nov 14 18:38:07 ? Nov 14 18:42:44 haeffb: ping Nov 14 18:51:49 Hi ho Nov 14 18:51:55 Hey umm.. hey Nov 14 18:52:15 I did ask this before but ppl wasn't sure about it; can I set cookies for the browser? Nov 14 18:52:25 From another app that is Nov 14 18:53:45 so do we have a log for why an application failed to install? Nov 14 18:55:56 CTLAdvance: doesn't /var/log/messages tell you? Nov 14 18:57:22 hmm Nov 14 18:59:42 ssh to the emulator, do tail -f /var/log/messages and watch out for errors Nov 14 19:02:43 hi all. Nov 14 19:03:29 sitting in bwi waiting for flight Nov 14 19:03:51 bwi? Nov 14 19:04:06 baltimore md Nov 14 19:04:57 You're in an airport? Nov 14 19:06:01 bwi, it turns out has the mm radar version of the pornoscan Nov 14 19:06:50 yep baltimore washington intl waiting for flight home to kansas city Nov 14 19:06:53 So did you opt-out? Nov 14 19:06:57 rboatright: Howdy Nov 14 19:07:11 no. opt out of xray. Nov 14 19:07:14 if Nov 14 19:07:23 right Nov 14 19:07:33 radar .. no modesty issue. Nov 14 19:07:42 donttcare Nov 14 19:07:44 Did you ask for a print out? Nov 14 19:08:06 it's all security theater Nov 14 19:08:09 CTLAdvance: Hey Nov 14 19:08:16 hehehe forgot to Nov 14 19:08:17 Hey Kesne Nov 14 19:08:17 Sure is.. Nov 14 19:08:25 CTLAdvance: How's it going? Nov 14 19:08:33 not bad and you Nov 14 19:09:03 still want them 2 switch to EFFECTIVE security model. Nov 14 19:09:46 rboatright: imho airliners should take care of the security and not some government money vortex Nov 14 19:09:53 CTLAdvance: Just working on Villo, like always Nov 14 19:10:14 What is villo Nov 14 19:10:16 ? Nov 14 19:10:20 new project Nov 14 19:10:25 sir, are carrying . a weapon on todays flight? no? the airline would be happy to loan you one... or you can take this nice 'designated target' armband Nov 14 19:10:27 Yes and no Nov 14 19:10:47 rboatright :) Nov 14 19:11:06 CTLAdvance: Villo is just KSO with some improvements. Nov 14 19:11:12 I'd happy to go onboard on a plane where ppl can carry guns. I'd feel secure. Nov 14 19:11:17 nice Nov 14 19:11:23 odnod. Nov 14 19:11:32 on-board Nov 14 19:12:00 And I hate cat food commercials Nov 14 19:12:07 so, I'm trying to fix simple big book before nyc... I hate debugging year old code Nov 14 19:12:17 people should just be stored in individual boxes, or cabins Nov 14 19:12:30 5th element.. Nov 14 19:12:31 that you cant get out of, or blown out of Nov 14 19:12:43 Thats what I was thinking, but realisticly Nov 14 19:12:55 teemu, I hate leaving my g19 at home but I was in md and dc... no carry Nov 14 19:13:01 naah. Force people use spedos Nov 14 19:13:05 speedo Nov 14 19:13:06 even Nov 14 19:13:17 lol Nov 14 19:13:26 an aircraft where anyone can carry guns is an aircraft that will have holes punctured in it Nov 14 19:13:41 security should learn to PUT UP FISTS Nov 14 19:13:57 hopefully we fail to ratify the global gun ban when it comes from the UN. Nov 14 19:14:06 rboatright: does Kansas allow open carry? Nov 14 19:14:10 naaaa. require frangiblle ammo Nov 14 19:14:32 open and concealed with permit Nov 14 19:15:04 That's better than nothing Nov 14 19:15:40 ctl un gun ban is un ratifiable... 56 senators have already said no. Nov 14 19:15:50 open without permit Nov 14 19:15:50 good Nov 14 19:16:02 I hate guns Nov 14 19:16:21 kesne why? Nov 14 19:16:22 I've never understood the point of permits Nov 14 19:16:47 But apparently Israel or something doesn't have these groping and x-ray machines and they don't seem to have issues with security Nov 14 19:16:50 They just scare me. I don't ever feel comfortable around anybody with guns. Nov 14 19:16:54 permits only make someone pay cash for their firearm from someone on the street corner Nov 14 19:16:56 Including police Nov 14 19:16:57 kesne: ever fired one? Nov 14 19:16:59 move to vt az or ak or utah next year, poss fl next year Nov 14 19:17:11 New Hampshire :) Nov 14 19:17:19 teemu: Nope, don't plan on it. Nov 14 19:17:25 Kesne - Move KSO to canada and live there Nov 14 19:17:27 :) Nov 14 19:17:31 Haha Nov 14 19:17:35 or the UK Nov 14 19:17:46 kesne, ignorance caused fear is fixable w education Nov 14 19:17:48 They have a "Gun Free" utopia Nov 14 19:18:14 rboatright: What are you saying? Nov 14 19:18:20 hmm whats the host name when using putty via usb Nov 14 19:18:23 CTLAdvance: I really like Canada, actually Nov 14 19:18:29 CTLAdvance: localhost ? Nov 14 19:18:58 oh you're connecting to the device? Nov 14 19:19:02 kesne, guns scare you because you know almost nothing about them Nov 14 19:19:03 yes Nov 14 19:19:17 rboatright: Guns scare me because guns kill people. Nov 14 19:19:21 to the device Nov 14 19:19:22 hmm. I think it's still localhost and port 5522 but I don't know Nov 14 19:19:49 cars kill more people. cigarettes kill more people. Nov 14 19:19:51 People kill people ;) Nov 14 19:20:20 rboatright: Indeed, but yet guns were invented with the purpose of killing Nov 14 19:20:35 what strikes me the most, is that carrying and firing a weapon in self defense (think about woman defending from being raped) is illegal in many countries Nov 14 19:20:40 guns is number 7 in cause of injury death in us Nov 14 19:21:11 they're also the #1 cause of firearm death ;) Nov 14 19:21:23 the only way to get rid of guns is for them to have not been invented Nov 14 19:21:30 rboatright: I'm not saying that they kill a lot of people, I'm just saying that they're dangerous Nov 14 19:21:39 Heck, if you even harm the attacker in some countries you'll face penalties. Gah. Even copyright penalties are bigger than for raping Nov 14 19:21:44 take them out of a certain group of people's hands, and guess who becomes more powerful Nov 14 19:21:49 the people who get guns anyway Nov 14 19:22:09 torchie: So let's invent a time machine. Nov 14 19:22:10 honestly kesne, so are lawnmowers and ladders Nov 14 19:22:22 kesne: you might get shot on your journey to un-invent the gun Nov 14 19:22:34 Offtopic: any ideas about my question? Is it possible to set cookies for the browser? Nov 14 19:23:10 rboatright: But if you look at deaths relative to the amount of people who own them, I'm guessing it'll be higher Nov 14 19:23:15 Everybody should be able to defend property (including life) however they wish, imho. Nov 14 19:23:36 torchie: Impossible, I'll go back in time and kill the creator of the gun before he creates it. Nov 14 19:23:54 torchie, yep, the gun control act of 1968 was about dissarming poor blacks... from self defence after the civil rights act made banning blacks from owning aillegal Nov 14 19:23:58 I wish I lived in Canada Nov 14 19:24:00 With Anivrom Nov 14 19:24:03 for putty to connect Nov 14 19:24:07 putty -P 10022 root@localhost Nov 14 19:24:12 CTLAdvance: that worked? Nov 14 19:24:14 yes Nov 14 19:24:16 Great Nov 14 19:24:21 hit enter when propted for password Nov 14 19:24:25 kesne, no sorry, as a percentage lawnmowers area actuallyhigher Nov 14 19:24:28 you wont be able to go back in time and shoot the inventor of the gun if that was your plan. Nov 14 19:24:50 rboatright: Meh, I still hate guns Nov 14 19:25:02 meh yyour choice Nov 14 19:25:04 ok Nov 14 19:25:09 that sounds like one kickass plot Nov 14 19:25:15 * halfhalo doesn't hate guns Nov 14 19:25:25 about a couple of guys who go back in time and kill the inventor of the gun with a gun Nov 14 19:25:32 :) Nov 14 19:25:34 so, what do you think hp will tell us next week? Nov 14 19:25:34 Bmyers: There are multiple ways to kill people... I would probably just use Karate, and kick his ass Nov 14 19:25:45 people don't kill people, karate kills people Nov 14 19:25:53 we need a karate control act Nov 14 19:25:57 NO KARATE HERE Nov 14 19:25:58 I agree Nov 14 19:26:01 It's dangerous Nov 14 19:26:13 * teemu knows Taekwondo Nov 14 19:26:17 * halfhalo votes large blunt objects Nov 14 19:26:24 still not sure why this isnt installing Nov 14 19:26:30 * halfhalo knows insane crazy person Nov 14 19:26:50 Ban halfhalo Nov 14 19:27:04 Or license him Nov 14 19:27:39 * kesne took Taekwondo for a month, then gave up Nov 14 19:27:58 * halfhalo votes ban Nov 14 19:28:10 kesne: why? :) Nov 14 19:28:10 teemu know anything about AI_ERR_NONE Nov 14 19:28:15 so anyone have ideas abt next week in nyc? Nov 14 19:28:18 CTLAdvance: nope Nov 14 19:28:22 seems to be what I am getting Nov 14 19:28:23 hmm Nov 14 19:28:50 teemu: That's how I operate Nov 14 19:28:58 I try to do something, and when it gets hard, I give up Nov 14 19:29:18 :( Nov 14 19:29:25 hehheeeheeee seen you perisr kesne Nov 14 19:29:36 interesting Nov 14 19:29:36 persist Nov 14 19:29:46 seems to be an issue with my appinfo Nov 14 19:30:04 well I fixed it for now Nov 14 19:30:05 thanks Nov 14 19:30:15 :) Nov 14 19:30:17 :) Nov 14 19:30:23 And now I remember how to use putty Nov 14 19:30:26 :) Nov 14 19:30:30 which is cool Nov 14 19:31:01 rboatright: I never persist Nov 14 19:31:09 SO thanks Teemu Nov 14 19:31:27 its appreciated Nov 14 19:31:44 need to go and make soup now...everyone here has a cold Nov 14 19:32:41 bs kesne. Nov 14 19:32:57 HAh Nov 14 19:33:02 Okay, I rarely persist Nov 14 19:33:14 ok Nov 14 19:35:13 you finished checkers. which at the time with your background and knowledge was actually hard. you sought mentors and tutors, got help and succeeded. and hell you're still here. Nov 14 19:37:08 here for another beating Nov 14 19:37:12 :D Nov 14 19:37:40 He will learn not to avoid projects when he truely needs money Nov 14 19:38:01 its easy to get side tracked though when you have school, and dont have many bills Nov 14 19:39:04 I shut up kesne ???? Nov 14 19:40:05 no hes avoiding us Nov 14 19:40:19 rboatright: Was just cleaning some dishes Nov 14 19:40:38 back in a bit, have a safe flight boat right Nov 14 19:40:45 er rboatright Nov 14 19:41:11 I answer to anything Nov 14 19:48:02 rboatright: And yeah, with Checkers I actually worked on that Nov 14 19:48:14 but I had potential income as a motivator Nov 14 19:48:26 so? Nov 14 19:48:58 so to have access to the catalog on this dev phone, I just need to run that one time thing and create a palm profile? Nov 14 19:50:51 yep Nov 14 19:54:42 so, how do you get around a partialyy rendered page where half or more is a grey nothing? Nov 14 19:55:07 In the web browser? Nov 14 19:55:33 yep Nov 14 19:56:05 Never seen that happen Nov 14 19:56:09 Refresh? Nov 14 19:56:14 no Nov 14 19:57:07 Sorry mate, no idea Nov 14 20:02:11 meh, the phone tries to call Verizon to activate Nov 14 20:11:37 then you failed to dev activate it Nov 14 20:11:55 you could meta - doctor Nov 14 20:17:19 looks like i need cygwin for that :( Nov 14 20:21:46 sorry. or an ubuntu vm Nov 14 20:22:56 morning Nov 14 20:23:03 holla! Nov 14 20:24:31 morning rod Nov 14 20:25:25 so, rwhitby, any predictions about what hp will say next weekN Nov 14 20:25:41 Exhibition from everyone! Nov 14 20:25:48 webOS 2.0 doctors! Nov 14 20:25:57 Hardware accelerated CSS! Nov 14 20:26:08 Apple acqusition! Nov 14 20:26:28 ok, I'm done Nov 14 20:26:58 more interested in an ecoligy of devices whick open opportunities for devs to make $ Nov 14 20:27:34 -- onmy pre... slow to type Nov 14 20:29:31 no idea what they will say Nov 14 20:29:54 probably just move some 2.0 stuff from NDA to public Nov 14 20:32:02 there's an event? Nov 14 20:32:22 the Developer Day event in NYC Nov 14 20:32:46 oh ok Nov 14 20:33:05 i just wanna see some new hardware already Nov 14 20:34:02 Pre 2 is new Nov 14 20:34:38 Anyone participate in scihack - http://sf.sciencehackday.com ? Nov 14 20:43:18 pre2 ok so last week. pad. want pad Nov 14 20:44:59 pad won't be announced at a dev day Nov 14 20:46:44 I wonder if there's going to be pad developer program.. Nov 14 20:46:54 free devices and so on Nov 14 20:49:19 I know rwhitby. hoping for hint of idea about planned ecology of interoperating devices. Nov 14 20:50:33 they wouldn't be able to talk about anything like that until other devices are announced Nov 14 20:54:53 might. could talk about multi device installation and storage od products. Nov 14 20:57:51 http://www.ghacks.net/2010/11/13/windows-phone-locks-in-microsd-cards/ <<-- "Now Engadget have discovered that the Windows Phone OS makes permanent changes to a card that can prevent it from being read, written to or formatted on any other device." Nov 14 20:58:36 the ultimate DRM storage Nov 14 21:00:14 "From this point on, the phone's operating system uses all of the available memory as a single storage space for storing applications and data. The phone will stop working properly if you remove the SD card, and the SD card cannot be read by another phone, device, or PC." Nov 14 21:00:53 well. What ever happens I would mind my SD being destroyed. Nov 14 22:30:51 teemu: That's not quite exactly how it all works. Nov 14 22:31:37 teemu: The cards aren't meant to be removable SD cards. They become a permanent part of the storage of the device. Nov 14 22:31:49 Not defending the decisions, but Microsoft is pretty clear about it. Nov 14 22:32:23 heh...that's very disappointing. Want to upgrade? Nov 14 22:33:18 It's not directly user accessible. More for phone manufacturers to be able to expand the storage, as I understand it. Nov 14 22:35:06 that's not what I was led to believe...it seems to be at least as accessible as the battery Nov 14 22:36:54 I supposed it depends on the phone Nov 14 22:37:10 looks like samsung is the one that made it too easy to get to Nov 15 01:09:59 :) Nov 15 01:33:31 lol that's the first comment in the last few hours Nov 15 01:35:49 yeah seems a little slow in here Nov 15 01:37:20 Sunday night in the US Nov 15 01:37:42 wooo sunday! Nov 15 01:38:05 football night IN AMERICA Nov 15 01:39:42 amurrka Nov 15 01:41:51 "Dammit man this is america!" - Excuse for everything Nov 15 01:44:11 * rwhitby assumes MyNamePeggy is not referring to soccer Nov 15 01:44:44 funny commercial in the states Nov 15 01:45:45 not soccer either Nov 15 01:47:45 is there a pre png someone has around for showcasing apps on ones website? template or PSD ? Nov 15 01:51:56 anyone heard of websites? Nov 15 01:59:12 free beer? Nov 15 02:03:22 beer? Nov 15 02:03:27 WHERE!? Nov 15 02:03:32 MyNamePeggy: i'm not really sure what you're asking Nov 15 02:04:36 picture file of a pre pr pixi template with transparent to paste screen shots of ones app into that template Nov 15 02:06:58 TQOS!! Nov 15 02:07:15 hi? Nov 15 02:07:42 hows' trix? Nov 15 02:07:57 good...bmyers? Nov 15 02:08:08 who elsE? Nov 15 02:08:24 MyNamePeggy...? Nov 15 02:08:43 what's with the name change? Nov 15 02:09:21 was bored Nov 15 02:09:38 ah...I can relate to that Nov 15 02:09:43 seen those commercials? Nov 15 02:09:53 ? Nov 15 02:10:05 one of the credit cards Nov 15 02:10:22 i don't think so Nov 15 02:11:05 someone calls their help # and some guy in russia answers and says "Thank you for calling (whatever credit card company), my name Peggy. Can I help you" Nov 15 02:11:12 ohhhh Nov 15 02:11:18 ok yes i've seen those Nov 15 02:11:33 i laugh cause I do alot of phone support Nov 15 02:11:45 smiles... Nov 15 02:11:55 i even change my name once to Peggy in the phone system of one of my customers Nov 15 02:13:04 lol Nov 15 02:13:39 they got a laugh.. Nov 15 02:14:12 lol should be an exciting week with dev days coming up Nov 15 02:14:55 yes. i live the closest and wont get the till the last Nov 15 02:15:16 i couldnt take 3 days str8 in the city Nov 15 02:15:46 smiles... Nov 15 02:16:11 ironically work is 'compromising with me' and giving me time off during thanksgiving weekend Nov 15 02:16:39 i really hope you guys get 2.0 phones...i'll be insanely jealous. but it would be cool Nov 15 02:17:36 snooze u looze Nov 15 02:17:49 yup Nov 15 02:18:18 as long as the food is ok and there are tab bars , I 'll be happy.. Nov 15 02:18:35 2.0 would be nice I suppose Nov 15 02:18:36 lol Nov 15 02:18:49 i'm not expecting much Nov 15 02:19:31 if there is a door prize for the oldest palm swag though, it's mine!! Nov 15 02:20:09 oldest Palm swag? Nov 15 02:20:09 I got some 3com palm developer tshirts I'm breaking out of the vault. Nov 15 02:20:33 I was considering bringing an old Palm V, cause it has a chip I designed in it. Nov 15 02:20:37 too cute Nov 15 02:20:43 you should rod Nov 15 02:21:00 rwhitby: that's pretty cool Nov 15 02:21:00 oh hey meant to ask...is all good with the penguin? Nov 15 02:21:12 JenP: the big eye is too big Nov 15 02:21:28 (thinking, how did she know I called it...) Nov 15 02:21:35 both penguins? Nov 15 02:21:53 the happy one would be good with normal size eyes. Nov 15 02:21:58 the sad one is just too sad Nov 15 02:22:28 sad one is that the front facing one? Nov 15 02:22:31 yes Nov 15 02:23:12 kk Nov 15 02:23:59 Rod, what chip did you design in the palm V? Nov 15 02:26:53 hmm, got a filter list question, anyone worked with them? Nov 15 02:27:17 * Tibfib pings oil Nov 15 02:28:28 Tibfib: never used filterlist Nov 15 02:28:30 My question is, if you have a list filtered down, when you tap on the item, event.model.items is the original list's items. How would you get the filtered list's model.items? Nov 15 02:28:40 oil: you didn't for preware? Nov 15 02:28:47 its a list widget and a text widget Nov 15 02:29:02 oh Nov 15 02:29:03 MyNamePeggy: when I worked at Motorola, I led the team that did the synthesizable redesign of the 6800 processor. Nov 15 02:29:24 rwhitby: what's your current job? I've always wondered.. Nov 15 02:30:54 Tibfib: you'll have to wait for dev day to find out Nov 15 02:31:06 whoa Nov 15 02:31:09 * halfhalo knows Nov 15 02:31:13 rwhitby: what WAS your job? Nov 15 02:31:28 Tibfib: same answer Nov 15 02:31:36 hmm. interesting Nov 15 02:31:48 BTW, Google knows. Nov 15 02:32:34 do you mean 6800 or 68000, like 68040, 68030.. Nov 15 02:32:45 oh, 68000 Nov 15 02:32:55 did think you were THAT old.. Nov 15 02:32:58 * Tibfib found the linkedin page Nov 15 02:33:13 found his underwear size on wikipedia.. Nov 15 02:33:41 MyNamePeggy: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/prod_brief/MC68SEC000.pdf Nov 15 02:34:08 freescale bought alot of motorola scraps Nov 15 02:34:32 redesign happened in '95 Nov 15 02:35:25 rwhitby: I'm not s Nov 15 02:35:34 moto in australia ? Nov 15 02:35:36 ... stupid enter key. Nov 15 02:35:47 rwhitby: I'm not sure if I've found what you're talking about Nov 15 02:37:00 I guess I'll find out after devday Nov 15 02:37:15 the mystery .. Nov 15 02:39:07 MyNamePeggy: yes, Motorola/Freescale had a software/design centre in Adelaide Nov 15 02:39:15 300+ strong at it's peak Nov 15 02:39:25 gone now? Nov 15 02:39:30 yep Nov 15 02:40:34 i lived in phoenix with a big moto presence. mostly gone now, buildings an all Nov 15 02:41:14 MyNamePeggy: I was also derivative architect for http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/prod_brief/MPC8568EPB.pdf Nov 15 02:42:22 heh, PPC Nov 15 02:43:13 512kbyte L2 cache, woohoo \O/ !! Nov 15 02:43:32 who would ever need THAT much L2 cache **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010