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Nov 19 03:07:07 <Gu1l7y_work> wastrel: ?
Nov 19 03:08:33 <alexfner> man I am getting really frustrated with how poorly html canvas is documented
Nov 19 03:08:39 <alexfner> these spec sheets hardly help
Nov 19 03:08:49 <alexfner> I need to know exactly how it's mixing colors for what I am working on
Nov 19 03:09:02 <alexfner> and it is just not wroking
Nov 19 03:09:18 <alexfner> cause I can't find docs for the color model used and if there are others available
Nov 19 03:09:41 <alexfner> additionally, paths are being drawn right next to eachother with a gap between them
Nov 19 03:09:47 <alexfner> and I can't find how to fill that gap
Nov 19 03:22:41 <torchie> 2.0
Nov 19 03:22:47 <torchie> where's the 2.0 bot
Nov 19 03:22:51 <torchie> we had a 1.4.5 bot
Nov 19 03:25:42 <sugardave> couchdb/mongodb are good
Nov 19 03:25:45 <sugardave> nosql
Nov 19 03:29:19 <oil> oh?
Nov 19 03:29:43 * halfhalo slaps oils with a large trout
Nov 19 04:14:49 <doc_lee> All of that trouble...all for a simple cross browser ajax error
Nov 19 04:15:29 <sugardave> hey, it's doc_lee
Nov 19 04:16:17 <doc_lee> Hey Dave
Nov 19 04:16:28 <sugardave> how are the ad networks these days?
Nov 19 04:16:42 <doc_lee> Doing well.
Nov 19 04:16:47 <doc_lee> I should say more than well
Nov 19 04:16:51 <sugardave> nice :D
Nov 19 04:17:27 <doc_lee> I finally made my move
Nov 19 04:17:31 <sugardave> you still go with smaato as your primary?
Nov 19 04:17:35 <sugardave> oh?  what move?
Nov 19 04:17:45 <doc_lee> I moved to Florida
Nov 19 04:17:56 <sugardave> ah, you were in the northeast before?
Nov 19 04:17:58 <doc_lee> And yes, Smaato is our primary
Nov 19 04:18:06 <doc_lee> I was in Atlanta before
Nov 19 04:18:23 <sugardave> oh right, it's been awhile :)
Nov 19 04:18:32 <sugardave> where in Florida?
Nov 19 04:18:41 <doc_lee> Lovely Juno Beach
Nov 19 04:19:26 <sugardave> cool, Atlantic side is nice
Nov 19 04:19:40 <doc_lee> I'm just enjoying the lack of traffic
Nov 19 04:19:59 <sugardave> oh man, I've only been to Atlanta once and the day I had to fly back I was completely unprepared
Nov 19 04:20:04 <sugardave> I barely made that flight
Nov 19 04:20:51 <doc_lee> And it's 47F in Atlanta now.  It's 70F here now.
Nov 19 04:21:23 <sugardave> yeah...I had been in Galveston at the beach the week before, 60s-70s...then I got to Atlanta and it was 30-something
Nov 19 04:21:32 <sugardave> I didn't realize it got pretty cold there :D
Nov 19 04:21:46 <sugardave> hotlanta my ass
Nov 19 04:22:00 <doc_lee> It's pretty bad for a southern city
Nov 19 04:22:27 <sugardave> I did manage to score a nice leather jacket for cheap while I was there, because all the stores had put them up for the season
Nov 19 04:22:58 <sugardave> and I came armed with hawaiian shirts and jeans...needed a coat badly
Nov 19 04:23:12 <doc_lee> hah
Nov 19 04:24:06 <jamesderektate> doc, do you use admob at all?
Nov 19 04:24:22 <doc_lee> No
Nov 19 04:25:08 <doc_lee> Well, I shouldn't say no...I use them in BroadCAST Radio
Nov 19 04:25:13 <doc_lee> But, overall, they are a terrible network
Nov 19 04:25:29 <jamesderektate> well, I get like 2 eCPMs
Nov 19 04:25:35 <jamesderektate> i used to be $25 eCPMs with google adsense
Nov 19 04:25:43 <jamesderektate> but that ended early this yr
Nov 19 04:25:51 <jamesderektate> smaato.... more like $7 i guess?
Nov 19 04:26:07 <jamesderektate> ps - did you receive your admob payment yet?
Nov 19 04:26:07 <doc_lee> $2 eCPM from Admob?
Nov 19 04:26:12 <jamesderektate> yep, i get about $2
Nov 19 04:26:17 <jamesderektate> on about 100 android apps
Nov 19 04:26:34 <torchie> you make $2 off of 100 apps total?
Nov 19 04:26:40 <jamesderektate>  ope
Nov 19 04:26:43 <jamesderektate> i make like $30 a day
Nov 19 04:26:44 <torchie> $2 each?
Nov 19 04:26:47 <torchie> oh
Nov 19 04:26:50 <doc_lee> Let me check to see what ours is
Nov 19 04:26:55 <jamesderektate> 15,000 impressions for the most part..
Nov 19 04:26:57 <torchie> 30 a day not a bad deal
Nov 19 04:27:05 <jamesderektate> it was down to $0.89 a few weeks ago
Nov 19 04:27:20 <jamesderektate> i was making $400 a day lol early this yr but got my but thrown out
Nov 19 04:27:21 <jamesderektate> that was crazy
Nov 19 04:27:27 <doc_lee> We're at $0.46 eCPM
Nov 19 04:27:29 <jamesderektate> (from google mobile adsense)
Nov 19 04:27:36 <jamesderektate> i told my dad i was gonna dro out of college
Nov 19 04:27:45 <jamesderektate> admob hasnt paid via ach yet...
Nov 19 04:27:53 <jamesderektate> people got the paypal payment supposedly a few days ago
Nov 19 04:28:04 <jamesderektate> what is the smaato ecpm like?
Nov 19 04:28:06 <doc_lee> Yes, I got a $46 payment from them
Nov 19 04:28:16 <doc_lee> $0.46 eCPM from smaato
Nov 19 04:28:22 <jamesderektate> wow
Nov 19 04:28:29 <jamesderektate> it's all going lower i guess... more people = less revs
Nov 19 04:28:34 <jamesderektate> like google adsense for websites
Nov 19 04:28:35 <doc_lee> That's actually pretty good for high traffic
Nov 19 04:29:16 <doc_lee> We also get CPM ads though which aren't included in that
Nov 19 04:29:18 <jamesderektate> ok, admob... past couple days (and the current day)
Nov 19 04:29:27 <doc_lee> Those are $8 CPM
Nov 19 04:29:27 <jamesderektate> $2.01, $1.94, $1.92, $1.65, $1.70
Nov 19 04:29:40 <jamesderektate> ive never gotten a $0.46 admob eCPM
Nov 19 04:30:03 <doc_lee> Yes, but you're only pushing 15000 impressions a day
Nov 19 04:30:11 <jamesderektate> how many impressions are you pushing?
Nov 19 04:30:20 <doc_lee> 3-4 million
Nov 19 04:30:24 <jamesderektate> got ya
Nov 19 04:30:32 <doc_lee> on Palm alone.
Nov 19 04:30:32 <jamesderektate> so i assume you make far more than $30 a day ;)
Nov 19 04:30:34 <doc_lee> Single app.
Nov 19 04:30:47 <jamesderektate> i can calcuate it.. one sec
Nov 19 04:30:57 <jamesderektate> $150-$250 a day
Nov 19 04:31:05 <jamesderektate> i like
Nov 19 04:31:07 <doc_lee> Nope.
Nov 19 04:31:23 <jamesderektate> got ya; much higher
Nov 19 04:31:30 <jamesderektate> im just using your rough numbers
Nov 19 04:31:39 <jamesderektate> i think smaato being venture backed makes it fairly risky...
Nov 19 04:31:47 <jamesderektate> it takes ages just to get an admob payment
Nov 19 04:32:28 <doc_lee> 2-3 million...  That's 2000 PM x $0.46
Nov 19 04:32:55 <jamesderektate> $3000 a day?
Nov 19 04:33:00 <doc_lee> I should say that's 2000 x .46
Nov 19 04:33:20 <jamesderektate> okay okay... $1000 a day
Nov 19 04:33:22 <jamesderektate> aint bad
Nov 19 04:33:23 <doc_lee> Multiply 2000 by .46...
Nov 19 04:33:32 <jamesderektate> dfinitely top 1%
Nov 19 04:33:34 <doc_lee> You might want to stick with college...
Nov 19 04:33:41 <doc_lee> Might I suggest some basic math?
Nov 19 04:33:44 <funkatron> hahah
Nov 19 04:33:48 <funkatron> zim
Nov 19 04:34:42 <jamesderektate> what's the palm app?
Nov 19 04:34:56 <doc_lee> RadioTime/TuneIn Radio...whatever you want to call it
Nov 19 04:35:04 <funkatron> TuneTime
Nov 19 04:35:05 <funkatron> I call it
Nov 19 04:35:06 <sugardave> "Money Printer"
Nov 19 04:35:10 <Tibfib> lol
Nov 19 04:35:11 <funkatron> RadioIn
Nov 19 04:35:18 <doc_lee> RadioRadio
Nov 19 04:35:19 <Tibfib> 'night
Nov 19 04:35:29 <funkatron> "The App on WebOS That Makes Money"
Nov 19 04:35:33 <funkatron> night tibfib
Nov 19 04:35:38 <sugardave> night Tibfib
Nov 19 04:35:44 <halfhalo> the ONLY app you mean!
Nov 19 04:35:47 <jamesderektate> you are makin it hard
Nov 19 04:35:51 <jamesderektate> i have that on android
Nov 19 04:35:59 <funkatron> that was the implication
Nov 19 04:36:02 <funkatron> 8)
Nov 19 04:36:06 <jamesderektate> well
Nov 19 04:36:10 <jamesderektate> i hope you own a few ferraris
Nov 19 04:36:28 <doc_lee> I make more at my day job.
Nov 19 04:36:29 <funkatron> why don't we hope he gives his money to charity? fuck a ferrari. By an accord.
Nov 19 04:36:35 <funkatron> Buy even
Nov 19 04:36:38 <funkatron> ;)
Nov 19 04:36:42 <jamesderektate> what's the day job?
Nov 19 04:36:50 <doc_lee> As the name implies... Dr.
Nov 19 04:36:51 <jamesderektate> doctor? at a hospital?
Nov 19 04:36:51 <sugardave> no no no, venture-back some idea I'm about to come up with
Nov 19 04:36:59 <jamesderektate> cool
Nov 19 04:37:05 <funkatron> Doc Oc
Nov 19 04:37:15 <doc_lee> Was in medicine...now I'm in research
Nov 19 04:37:24 <jamesderektate> cool
Nov 19 04:37:44 <jamesderektate> i like that
Nov 19 04:37:54 <jamesderektate> that's capitalism at work.. make a product people want, make loads of $$$
Nov 19 04:38:06 <doc_lee> Uhhh...no.
Nov 19 04:38:11 <funkatron> I make a product people want: one that does not cost money.
Nov 19 04:38:11 <doc_lee> That's actually socialism at work.
Nov 19 04:38:45 <doc_lee> I worked at the NIH for many years, and the CDC for many more...and I'm funded currently by the NIH (and a few non-profits...and Pfizer)
Nov 19 04:39:00 <funkatron> mmmmmmmm yes
Nov 19 04:39:03 <jamesderektate> How long did you take to write your radio app?
Nov 19 04:39:25 <doc_lee> Initial release took about 3 months.
Nov 19 04:39:33 <doc_lee> I had no programming experience beforehand though
Nov 19 04:39:48 <funkatron> it's a rags to riches story
Nov 19 04:40:10 <jamesderektate> it looks like a big company now
Nov 19 04:40:12 <jamesderektate> from the website
Nov 19 04:40:26 <doc_lee> I don't own RadioTime
Nov 19 04:40:35 <jamesderektate> oh
Nov 19 04:40:46 <doc_lee> I merely do work for them and handle all of their advertising
Nov 19 04:40:57 <jamesderektate> got ya
Nov 19 04:41:15 <jamesderektate> it's a lot of deflation
Nov 19 04:41:22 <jamesderektate> i remember in the 90s people would make millions in a day
Nov 19 04:41:28 <doc_lee> And they pay me nicely for it considering across platforms I'm making them about $1 million a year
Nov 19 04:41:29 <jamesderektate> now it's like... maybe a million in a year if lucky
Nov 19 04:41:33 <funkatron> SELLIN CRACK ROCK
Nov 19 04:41:42 <halfhalo> THATS MY GIG!
Nov 19 04:41:45 <sugardave> doc was an early pioneer of the ad integration in early webOS apps
Nov 19 04:42:13 <funkatron> I perfer the ads in BGMaps
Nov 19 04:42:18 <funkatron> that repeat like a Geocities background
Nov 19 04:42:36 <doc_lee> University of Central Florida
Nov 19 04:42:52 <torchie> did somebody say university of central florida
Nov 19 04:43:02 <doc_lee> Just reading your address
Nov 19 04:43:07 <halfhalo> im so sorry....
Nov 19 04:43:12 <halfhalo> :p
Nov 19 04:43:17 <torchie> lol
Nov 19 04:43:26 <doc_lee> I gave a lecture there back in...when was that...must have been December of last year?
Nov 19 04:43:32 <torchie> :o!
Nov 19 04:43:39 <torchie> what on?
Nov 19 04:43:46 <sugardave> something scary, I'd bet
Nov 19 04:43:52 <funkatron> Selling Crack Rock
Nov 19 04:43:55 <torchie> like ghosts and goblins?
Nov 19 04:44:04 <doc_lee> MicroRNAs and therapeutic uses
Nov 19 04:44:05 <torchie> I suck at that game
Nov 19 04:44:06 <funkatron> I preferred Ghouls n Ghosts
Nov 19 04:44:13 <funkatron> boy we were WAY off
Nov 19 04:44:17 <torchie> lol
Nov 19 04:44:29 <funkatron> GnG was the first Genesis game I bought
Nov 19 04:44:32 <torchie> this is my first semester -- so I suppose I missed that lecture
Nov 19 04:44:42 <jamesderektate> splatterhouse came to iphone today
Nov 19 04:44:46 <jamesderektate> best genesis game
Nov 19 04:44:47 <sugardave> "The Millions of Ways You Can Be Infected by [some scary disease]"
Nov 19 04:44:49 <funkatron> Torchie was not even a cell when I bought that game
Nov 19 04:44:59 <halfhalo> hahahaha
Nov 19 04:45:03 <torchie> hey man I played that game at least
Nov 19 04:45:08 <funkatron> true dat
Nov 19 04:45:11 <torchie> ...(on a genesis emulator)
Nov 19 04:45:13 <doc_lee> torchie: It was for the graduate program in biomedical sciences or whatever you folks call it
Nov 19 04:45:18 <funkatron> no, I just feel like I'm in Logan's Run
Nov 19 04:45:21 <torchie> ...(on a psp)
Nov 19 04:45:24 <funkatron> (waits to see if anyone gets it)
Nov 19 04:45:28 <sugardave> funkatron: of course
Nov 19 04:45:32 <funkatron> thank you
Nov 19 04:45:37 <sugardave> I used to go the Water Gardens all the time
Nov 19 04:45:43 <funkatron> ;)
Nov 19 04:45:50 <sugardave> my light has been flashing for 3 years now
Nov 19 04:46:08 <funkatron> haha
Nov 19 04:46:25 <doc_lee> All I play is Virtual Pool on my Epic
Nov 19 04:46:42 <alexfner> phil mckinney is going to miss dev day
Nov 19 04:46:50 <funkatron> I wish my pre plus was bigger so I could play some games n shit
Nov 19 04:46:59 <funkatron> also I wish there were some games n shit
Nov 19 04:47:03 <sugardave> haha
Nov 19 04:47:46 <doc_lee> I use an Android phone as my day to day phone.  Heck, I don't even have a Pre anymore.  Palm is supposed to send me a dev unit at some point in time...2 months ago...still waiting.
Nov 19 04:47:53 <funkatron> somewhere in the basements of EA there's a chimpanzee that hits a "recompile" button for their games on webOS
Nov 19 04:48:08 <funkatron> it's a tax write-off for them
Nov 19 04:48:33 <doc_lee> And I still don't have access to the 2.0 sdk
Nov 19 04:48:42 <doc_lee> The heck is up with that?
Nov 19 04:48:48 <funkatron> yeah, what IS up with that
Nov 19 04:48:56 <sugardave> doc_lee: seriously?  I'd email chuq some more
Nov 19 04:48:59 <funkatron> they let like everyone and their mom in that program
Nov 19 04:49:07 <doc_lee> I don't know how many more times I can email him
Nov 19 04:49:10 <torchie> if we could just
Nov 19 04:49:14 <torchie> get the super device
Nov 19 04:49:23 <funkatron> I NEED A COUPON
Nov 19 04:49:28 <torchie> on sprint
Nov 19 04:49:34 <funkatron> oh nm
Nov 19 04:49:37 <torchie> and it could be constructed of a solid block of stainless steel
Nov 19 04:49:39 <torchie> last phone
Nov 19 04:49:41 <funkatron> yeah I'm a GSM dude
Nov 19 04:49:42 <alexfner> funkatron: if I intern as a designer at EA I'll be sure to push "the webos platform with it's numerous printers"
Nov 19 04:49:46 <doc_lee> torchie: It's called the Samsung Epic 4G
Nov 19 04:49:46 <torchie> well if it could just do it all
Nov 19 04:49:54 <torchie> the samsung epic 4g doesn't run webos
Nov 19 04:50:01 <doc_lee> ...exactly?
Nov 19 04:50:03 <doc_lee> hehe
Nov 19 04:50:07 <funkatron> alexfner: hells yes, I wanna play Tiger Woods Golf on a LaserJet
Nov 19 04:50:27 <funkatron> I'll say this
Nov 19 04:50:39 <funkatron> if they can port Android to an iPhone 3g
Nov 19 04:51:00 <alexfner> funkatron: "Why go with this facebook thing, it's old hat.  Let's look at printers, printers printers!  Printers are the future"
Nov 19 04:51:17 <torchie> they can get froyo on an iphone 3G before they can get it on an xperia X1, ain't that some shit
Nov 19 04:51:20 <doc_lee> funkatron: yes?
Nov 19 04:51:27 <funkatron> "HEY BRO I'M FRIENDING YOU FROM MY MULTIFUNCTION PRINTER"
Nov 19 04:51:57 <doc_lee> I don't know where HP is going with that entire printer thing
Nov 19 04:52:00 <alexfner> when a webOS printer comes out, who wants to make the parody video with me where someone carries it around like a phone
Nov 19 04:52:01 <torchie> Posted from HP webOS™ for DeskJet 18C
Nov 19 04:52:07 <funkatron> well, I hear they make printers
Nov 19 04:52:21 <doc_lee> It's a printer, people...
Nov 19 04:52:26 <doc_lee> Let it be a printer...
Nov 19 04:52:42 <doc_lee> Don't try to jack it into the cloud or whatever your intentions are
Nov 19 04:52:59 <torchie> man
Nov 19 04:53:00 <sugardave> we should add remote printing support to relego...need a service running on the printer, pair with your webos device, etc...
Nov 19 04:53:00 <torchie> printers
Nov 19 04:53:01 <torchie> what's
Nov 19 04:53:02 <torchie>  a printer
Nov 19 04:53:18 <funkatron> "Share to... Paper"
Nov 19 04:53:22 <sugardave> haha
Nov 19 04:53:45 <doc_lee> I'm going to rewrite RadioTime so that it spits out the music on paper.
Nov 19 04:54:12 <doc_lee> 3 minutes will be equivalent to 1 printer cartridge
Nov 19 04:54:37 <alexfner> hah
Nov 19 04:55:04 <alexfner> I'm going to make an app that will send your docs to someone else's printer, but explicity not on your own printer
Nov 19 04:55:13 <alexfner> and it would always be a random printer
Nov 19 04:55:19 <alexfner> it'd be the chat roulette of printing
Nov 19 04:55:22 <alexfner> we'll call it print roulette
Nov 19 04:55:24 <alexfner> genius
Nov 19 04:55:25 <doc_lee> hah
Nov 19 04:55:29 <sugardave> now that is a promising idea
Nov 19 04:55:34 <funkatron> "choose what printer to not use"
Nov 19 04:55:35 <torchie> ok
Nov 19 04:55:37 <torchie> that ain't bad
Nov 19 04:55:42 <torchie> this is why HP's making webos printers
Nov 19 04:56:11 <torchie> because they are depending on the strength of us developers to transfer the cloud to the leaf
Nov 19 04:56:53 <doc_lee> I had a relatively funny phone call with HP not too long ago
Nov 19 04:57:12 <alexfner> doc_lee: "we got your test results back..."
Nov 19 04:57:17 <alexfner> was it that one?
Nov 19 04:57:19 <doc_lee> It was about getting RadioTime stock on devices.
Nov 19 04:57:35 <funkatron> that would be a good idea
Nov 19 04:57:40 <doc_lee> They were like, "Yeah, it'll cost about $1 million"
Nov 19 04:57:48 <funkatron> oh nm
Nov 19 04:57:50 <alexfner> and did they give you one million?
Nov 19 04:57:56 <doc_lee> We were like, "Hahahahahahahahaha...no."
Nov 19 04:58:06 <alexfner> but what about all the projected ad revenue?
Nov 19 04:58:14 <alexfner> just go get a VC
Nov 19 04:58:32 <doc_lee> alexfner: From the what?  500,000 devices out there?
Nov 19 04:58:41 <alexfner> I thought in the future?
Nov 19 04:58:46 <alexfner> let's say it's an agreement for 1 year
Nov 19 04:58:48 <sugardave> THE FUTURE
Nov 19 04:58:53 <doc_lee> WebOS isn't the future.
Nov 19 04:59:08 <alexfner> alright alright
Nov 19 04:59:11 <alexfner> tuff guy
Nov 19 04:59:13 <alexfner> :D
Nov 19 04:59:24 * funkatron puts fingers in ears
Nov 19 04:59:25 <doc_lee> Just putting the cold, hard facts out there
Nov 19 04:59:27 <funkatron> LALALALALALALALA
Nov 19 05:00:12 <alexfner> I'm MAKING BROWNIES WHO WANT'S SOME?
Nov 19 05:00:19 <alexfner> WANTS*
Nov 19 05:00:27 <torchie> too bad
Nov 19 05:00:31 <torchie> I was hoping for a good future
Nov 19 05:00:43 <funkatron> I need bed
Nov 19 05:00:47 <funkatron> night y'all
Nov 19 05:00:54 <doc_lee> Night funkatron
Nov 19 05:00:55 <sugardave> night funkatron
Nov 19 05:01:01 <torchie> ngithat fknautran
Nov 19 05:53:54 <JenP> hi all
Nov 19 05:55:42 <wastrel> hi
Nov 19 05:56:10 * JenP waves
Nov 19 06:04:15 <alexfner> hi
Nov 19 06:42:26 <haeffb> JenP: howdy
Nov 19 06:46:07 <torchie> haeffb are you there
Nov 19 06:56:28 <haeffb> torchie: sorta
Nov 19 06:56:43 <haeffb> slightly inebriated
Nov 19 06:56:49 <torchie> i have an OCD question about the clock
Nov 19 06:57:24 <torchie> when you have an alarm set and then restart the phone, does your alarm icon appear in notifications without intervention?
Nov 19 07:03:04 <haeffb> nope
Nov 19 07:03:25 <haeffb> it appears in notifications when I change an alarm, but not on restart
Nov 19 07:21:07 <torchie> does it still ring?
Nov 19 07:21:34 <torchie> there's always a tasks notification on restart
Nov 19 07:21:59 <torchie> although they only seem to show when something's past due
Nov 19 07:22:02 <torchie> maybe I should
Nov 19 07:22:04 <torchie> look for some sort of
Nov 19 07:22:06 <torchie> third party solution
Nov 19 07:22:14 <torchie> something that will help me get things done
Nov 19 07:24:38 <alexfner> maybe...
Nov 19 09:18:59 <iWinRar> shame lol
Nov 19 09:19:42 <iWinRar> this person is so confident that webos is a bust but wont put money on the big bomb that will likely happen at ces :(
Nov 19 11:24:42 <hotdp_pre> good morning
Nov 19 11:38:30 <BMyers> morn'n hotdp_pre
Nov 19 12:41:37 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 19 12:41:56 <hotdp_pre> morning
Nov 19 12:42:14 <hotdp_pre> i read the sushi was good? i could not make it.. :-(
Nov 19 12:44:29 <rwhitby> the sushi was good.  the group started to head towards pizza places, but luckily they were all full, and sushi mambo had plenty of room
Nov 19 12:45:28 <hotdp_pre> hehe
Nov 19 12:46:01 <hotdp_pre> cu at dev day in about 1.5 hour. i will go get some breakfest
Nov 19 13:48:22 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Nov 19 13:48:29 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Nov 19 13:55:29 <sugardave> good morning
Nov 19 13:55:59 <sugardave> waiting for the car to heat up, then heading to the airport
Nov 19 13:57:41 <BMyers> c u there
Nov 19 13:58:24 <sugardave> are you already in the city?
Nov 19 13:58:55 <BMyers> no. gonna catch the train soon
Nov 19 13:59:30 <BMyers> had delusions of grandeur to get on an early train
Nov 19 13:59:39 <BMyers> didnt happend
Nov 19 13:59:42 <sugardave> yes, I overslept as well
Nov 19 13:59:46 <sugardave> but not too terribly much
Nov 19 14:01:25 <BMyers> no i was up early, just didnt leave..
Nov 19 14:01:32 <BMyers> gonna get some z's on the train
Nov 19 14:03:53 <swisstomcat> going to be there for day 2 only?
Nov 19 14:04:19 <sugardave> yeah, I'm going to try and make the social gathering tonight
Nov 19 14:04:32 <BMyers>  i'll be there later this morning
Nov 19 14:04:35 <sugardave> alright, going now, see some of y'all in NYC
Nov 19 14:31:14 * haeffb was up a bit too late last night...
Nov 19 14:31:55 <torchie> definitely
Nov 19 14:35:59 <swisstomcat> having fun in NYC?
Nov 19 14:51:57 <HattCzech_work> good morning all!
Nov 19 14:52:01 <HattCzech_work> long time no see!
Nov 19 14:52:03 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 19 14:52:04 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 19 14:52:09 <swisstomcat> what are you up to?
Nov 19 14:52:21 <HattCzech_work> been swamped with my real job
Nov 19 14:52:50 <HattCzech_work> now i need to get back into my other real projects :)
Nov 19 14:55:06 <rwhitby> and we're live at NYC Dev Day ....
Nov 19 14:55:54 <swisstomcat> i just saw a pic of you and oil at breakfast :)
Nov 19 14:56:41 <swisstomcat> morning roy-pre101
Nov 19 14:56:41 <HattCzech_work> and i'm jealous
Nov 19 14:56:45 <swisstomcat> me too
Nov 19 14:56:52 <swisstomcat> wish i could beam myself to new york
Nov 19 14:56:54 <Roy-Pre101> Morning!
Nov 19 14:56:56 <HattCzech_work> wish i could've gone out there
Nov 19 14:57:10 <Roy-Pre101> That would be great if you could, Markus.  We can sell the technology.
Nov 19 14:57:12 * HattCzech_work *tries really hard to "jump" there*
Nov 19 14:58:20 <swisstomcat> looks like my schedule app was downloaded almost 250 times :)
Nov 19 14:59:07 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Thanks for the app.
Nov 19 14:59:17 <swisstomcat> you like it?
Nov 19 14:59:30 * haeffb heading to dev day. bbl
Nov 19 15:00:31 <swisstomcat> morning oil
Nov 19 15:00:42 <swisstomcat> byc.biz.rr.com ... interesting
Nov 19 15:00:43 <oil> hey
Nov 19 15:00:54 <oil> yeah, waiting for the conference to start
Nov 19 15:01:14 <torchie> video?
Nov 19 15:01:17 <torchie> is there video!
Nov 19 15:01:30 <Roy-Pre101> yes
Nov 19 15:01:30 <Roy-Pre101> Helpful.
Nov 19 15:01:43 <swisstomcat> not live ... "The plan is to publish videos for all of the presentations. developer.palm blog should have a post when done."
Nov 19 15:02:29 <JenP> hi all
Nov 19 15:02:34 <swisstomcat> morning jenp
Nov 19 15:02:58 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Nov 19 15:02:59 <JenP> morning swisstomcat
Nov 19 15:03:04 <JenP> hi rod
Nov 19 15:03:23 <JenP> how's the conf going?
Nov 19 15:04:07 <swisstomcat> how's the jet-lag?
Nov 19 15:06:19 <swisstomcat> hmm, wifi doesn't seem stable :)
Nov 19 15:06:53 <JenP> ah i c
Nov 19 15:23:19 <sugardave_pre> boarding in 15 minutes...anything exciting going on?
Nov 19 15:23:40 <JenP> not a thing
Nov 19 15:28:45 <sugardave_pre> hi jenp
Nov 19 15:34:09 <sugardave_pre> trying to download spaz beta...failing
Nov 19 15:44:48 <wastrel> web os
Nov 19 15:53:37 <sugardave_pre> hmmm, not sure if we get wifi on this flight
Nov 19 15:58:49 <haeffb> hello from webOSdev NYC
Nov 19 15:59:37 <wastrel> hey!
Nov 19 15:59:42 <wastrel> i'm at work in NYC
Nov 19 16:02:13 <haeffb> swisstomcat: app is awesome.
Nov 19 16:03:00 <wastrel> hrm developer phones are $200 off
Nov 19 16:03:51 <gkatsev> only in the US :/
Nov 19 16:04:19 <wastrel> i'm in the us but am not a developer
Nov 19 16:04:30 <gkatsev> it's free to become one :)
Nov 19 16:04:34 <wastrel> if i throw together a hello world does that qualify me for the discount? :]
Nov 19 16:05:05 <gkatsev> i dont know exactly what kind of checking they are going to do, but you need your dev id, supposedly, from developer.palm.com
Nov 19 16:05:21 <wastrel> i used to have one in palmos days
Nov 19 16:09:22 <swisstomcat> haefb: thanks
Nov 19 16:09:36 <swisstomcat> haeffb: thanks
Nov 19 16:09:43 <swisstomcat> haeffb: any sign of pre2's?
Nov 19 16:13:13 <swisstomcat> morning rick
Nov 19 16:13:22 <swisstomcat> watching from the sidelines this time ...
Nov 19 16:13:47 <Rick_work> miss you sir.
Nov 19 16:13:52 <Rick_work> lots of folks here tho
Nov 19 16:14:05 * halfhalo wants to watch
Nov 19 16:14:31 <Rick_work> deeter's liveblogging from track 1.
Nov 19 16:14:35 <Rick_work> we'll be in track2
Nov 19 16:15:07 <haeffb> wifi is going down like... (fill in the blank)
Nov 19 16:15:18 <haeffb> Hi Roy-Pre101.
Nov 19 16:15:27 <gkatsev> donkey kong?
Nov 19 16:15:32 <gkatsev> Ninetndo, please don't sue me.
Nov 19 16:15:33 <Roy-Pre101> howdy
Nov 19 16:15:40 <Roy-Pre101> Trying to get set up to blog/tweet more
Nov 19 16:15:42 <Rick_work> and this morning's exciting first track2 is copyright law for dev's.
Nov 19 16:15:59 <Rick_work> isn't there an NES emulator???
Nov 19 16:16:14 <gkatsev> there is.
Nov 19 16:16:33 <Rick_work> then, there's pirated copies of DK
Nov 19 16:16:41 <haeffb> Rick_work: I'm the one wearing MU gear again.
Nov 19 16:16:44 <gkatsev> Rick_work: just nintendo is trying to trademark 'it's on like donkey kong' after apple succesully trademarked 'there's an app for that'
Nov 19 16:17:30 <halfhalo> Ping rwhitby
Nov 19 16:22:24 <haeffb> hi roy-Pre1011
Nov 19 16:24:57 <Rick-work> warning network is popping up and down.
Nov 19 16:25:59 <haeffb> Sprint aircard ftw
Nov 19 16:26:26 * halfhalo will watch irc from ipad while working on car
Nov 19 16:34:23 <hotdp_pre> hey swisstomcat, hows the pre 2?
Nov 19 16:35:00 <haeffb> hey hotdp_pre are you sitting next to me?
Nov 19 16:35:43 <hotdp_pre> i think so :-)
Nov 19 16:39:07 <wastrel> heh
Nov 19 16:49:15 <wastrel> :[
Nov 19 16:49:51 <hotdp_pre> ?
Nov 19 16:50:57 <wastrel> still waiting for pre2 on verizon
Nov 19 16:52:18 <codeslaw> yo
Nov 19 16:52:33 <codeslaw> anyone know how to link to a local google maps search
Nov 19 16:52:33 <hotdp_pre> hi
Nov 19 16:52:55 <codeslaw> like have someone click a link to search for nearby car dealerships
Nov 19 16:55:32 <Rick-work> you want to BUILD one, or you want to just HAVE one.
Nov 19 16:55:53 <codeslaw> just have one
Nov 19 16:55:54 <Rick-work> if the latter, the do the search on maps.google.com and simply copy the URL
Nov 19 16:56:13 <codeslaw> and it will automatically center around where the user is geographicaly?
Nov 19 16:57:15 <Rick-work> there's this clever thing -- the LINK icon in the upper right of your search result.
Nov 19 16:57:18 <Rick-work> like this...  http://maps.google.com/maps?near=3410+SW+Van+Buren+St,+Topeka,+KS+66611&geocode=CQmk4YXVd23DFe0sUwIdlPtL-inThsjm2Ry_hzFuNJcq-qYUfw&q=food&f=l&sll=39.005421,-95.683692&sspn=0.008471,0.017059&ie=UTF8&hq=food&hnear=&ll=39.004812,-95.685639&spn=0.016108,0.034118&z=15
Nov 19 16:58:27 <codeslaw> yes, i'm well aware of that.
Nov 19 16:58:52 <Rick-work> that isn't what you wanted?
Nov 19 16:59:16 <Rick-work> it's simple enough to build that request from scratch.
Nov 19 16:59:31 <Rick-work> the various parts of the query are pretty self-documenting
Nov 19 16:59:58 <codeslaw> my concern was whether the maps app would automatically center on the users current location
Nov 19 17:00:05 <codeslaw> without specifying anything
Nov 19 17:00:26 <Rick-work> ahhh.
Nov 19 17:00:36 <Rick-work> It centers on the query.
Nov 19 17:00:42 <Rick-work> unless you tell it not to.
Nov 19 17:17:08 <haeffb> hey chuqui - too bad you're not here.
Nov 19 17:20:48 <MetaView> good mornging
Nov 19 17:21:24 <MetaView> Roy-Pre101: the cross-app launching page isn't linked from the main page of 101webos.com?
Nov 19 17:23:12 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: No, it is not.
Nov 19 17:23:23 <Roy-Pre101> There should be a link from -somewhere-.
Nov 19 17:23:36 <Roy-Pre101> If not, it might be good to add a link from somewhere.
Nov 19 17:24:04 <MetaView> :)
Nov 19 17:25:29 <MetaView> just add it
Nov 19 17:26:23 <MetaView> done
Nov 19 19:02:11 <dohtem> must be real iffy internet over there :(
Nov 19 19:04:47 <Rick_work> you have no idea.
Nov 19 19:05:06 <Rick_work> the wireless here was supposed to be the big selling point of the space, but it is a major fail
Nov 19 19:05:23 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 19 19:05:27 <halfhalo> 4G!
Nov 19 19:05:36 <halfhalo> someone there HAS to have a 4G device...
Nov 19 19:05:53 <wastrel> do carriers support 4g yet?
Nov 19 19:06:32 <halfhalo> yupyup
Nov 19 19:07:07 <torchie> depending on your definition of 4G
Nov 19 19:07:37 <MetaView> fixing 2 centros together: 2G +2G = 4G
Nov 19 19:07:50 <Rick_work> yes, but there are zero bars of sprint service in this building.
Nov 19 19:08:29 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 19 19:08:43 <halfhalo> For some reason I get 4G at my house but not regular sprint...
Nov 19 19:11:17 <dohtem> MetaView: you should be in Marketing!
Nov 19 19:11:37 <torchie> man
Nov 19 19:11:39 <torchie> centro was the jam
Nov 19 19:12:09 <dohtem> I always thought that phone was a couple of years too late but people apparently loved it
Nov 19 19:12:49 <MetaView> dohtem: so you gone buy my new Centro 4G?
Nov 19 19:12:52 <torchie> well they had stellar uptimes and didn't break easily
Nov 19 19:12:58 <MetaView> it even has 2 screens and multitasking
Nov 19 19:13:09 <dohtem> and 2 processors!
Nov 19 19:13:11 <torchie> run two applications, back to back!
Nov 19 19:13:20 * MetaView is going to buy a cheap second centro for dohtem
Nov 19 19:13:27 <MetaView> 2 proc reicht
Nov 19 19:13:28 <dohtem> hehe
Nov 19 19:13:33 <MetaView> :)
Nov 19 19:33:13 <alexfner> hows developer day developers
Nov 19 19:33:29 <Robi_> tune in and watch
Nov 19 19:33:58 <dohtem> ?
Nov 19 19:34:08 <alexfner> tune in and watch you say?
Nov 19 19:34:13 <alexfner> livestream?
Nov 19 19:35:08 <Robi_> or vids available
Nov 19 19:35:36 <MetaView> how many devs are there?
Nov 19 19:37:10 <alexfner> rwhitby: what's the head count at?!?
Nov 19 19:38:14 <haeffb> rwhitby is kinda busy right now
Nov 19 19:38:24 <dkirker> hiya!!
Nov 19 19:38:31 * haeffb guesses several hundred
Nov 19 19:38:35 <alexfner> is he giving presentations?
Nov 19 19:38:39 <haeffb> yep
Nov 19 19:38:42 <alexfner> to the unwashed masses?
Nov 19 19:38:48 <alexfner> oh very nice
Nov 19 19:38:50 <MetaView> erks
Nov 19 19:38:50 <haeffb> some of us washed
Nov 19 19:38:50 <BMyers_Pre> I am  in
Nov 19 19:39:04 <alexfner> is his computer plugged in so that everyone can hear when I message him?
Nov 19 19:39:10 <MetaView> lol
Nov 19 19:39:18 <dkirker> haha
Nov 19 19:39:32 <dkirker> damn, I wish I was there
Nov 19 19:39:44 <dkirker> but I will definitely be present at the next Sunnyvale one!
Nov 19 19:40:03 <alexfner> dkirker: presenting on movox?
Nov 19 19:40:12 <dkirker> alexfner: That'd be nice!
Nov 19 19:40:35 <alexfner> dkirker: how is it coming?
Nov 19 19:40:45 <iWinRar> so how many people are there?
Nov 19 19:40:54 <dkirker> I have hit a few roadblocks... Can't really discuss them here, though. :(
Nov 19 19:41:01 <alexfner> haha
Nov 19 19:41:04 <alexfner> I gotcha
Nov 19 19:41:11 <alexfner> I can imagine
Nov 19 19:42:13 <alexfner> chuqui is secretly redecorating the office while everyone is away
Nov 19 19:42:36 <chuqui> Neon, baby
Nov 19 19:42:51 <alexfner> Everywhere
Nov 19 19:43:02 <dkirker> lol
Nov 19 19:43:20 * dkirker looks forward to seeing rwhitby 's talk!
Nov 19 19:44:45 <alexfner> yeah definitely
Nov 19 19:45:22 <dohtem> heh, chuqui.  Get one of those neon Coors Light signs
Nov 19 19:45:30 <dohtem> Silver bullet!
Nov 19 19:46:01 <BMyers_Pre> darn
Nov 19 19:46:19 <BMyers_Pre> missed phonegap and saw ares demo
Nov 19 19:47:23 <funkatron> WHAT IS ENYO?
Nov 19 19:47:32 <funkatron> I hope it's all coffeescript
Nov 19 19:47:48 <funkatron> and SASS
Nov 19 19:47:58 <dohtem> PDK UI!
Nov 19 19:48:04 <funkatron> ah I see
Nov 19 19:48:09 <iWinRar> webaws?
Nov 19 19:48:20 * dohtem is just speculating
Nov 19 19:48:23 <funkatron> gotcha
Nov 19 19:48:25 <MetaView> enyo?
Nov 19 19:48:30 <BMyers_Pre> god of war
Nov 19 19:48:35 <funkatron> coffeescript + zen coding + sass
Nov 19 19:48:36 <MetaView> is something for the node.js or?
Nov 19 19:48:41 <dohtem> BMyers_Pre: goddess*
Nov 19 19:48:52 <MetaView> which mythology?
Nov 19 19:48:56 <dohtem> Greek
Nov 19 19:49:08 <MetaView> ok
Nov 19 19:49:17 <codeslaw> sass would be nice
Nov 19 19:49:17 <BMyers_Pre> oops
Nov 19 19:49:29 <dohtem> I knew that Humanities class would come in handy someday :)
Nov 19 19:49:30 <BMyers_Pre> ares is god of war
Nov 19 19:49:37 <dohtem> yeah
Nov 19 19:49:41 <codeslaw> enyo is his hot sister
Nov 19 19:49:49 <BMyers_Pre> :)
Nov 19 19:50:06 <swisstomcat> rehi
Nov 19 19:50:17 <swisstomcat> hey chuqui
Nov 19 19:50:30 * swisstomcat is following dev day from home with the help of twitter
Nov 19 19:50:41 <dohtem> swisstomcat: me too :)
Nov 19 19:50:53 <chuqui> yo
Nov 19 19:50:58 <codeslaw> what hash tag should i search for
Nov 19 19:51:30 <alexfner> hey swisstomcat  why are you not in nyc?
Nov 19 19:51:50 <dkirker> codeslaw: #webosdev I think
Nov 19 19:51:59 <swisstomcat> alexfner: wish i could go but sprout 2 is supposed to hatch any day (due date: 18.11)
Nov 19 19:52:06 <swisstomcat> yeah, #webosdev
Nov 19 19:52:13 <swisstomcat> ping hotdp
Nov 19 19:52:20 <alexfner> haha awesome :)
Nov 19 19:52:33 <dohtem> sprout 2?
Nov 19 19:52:41 <dohtem> oh, a kid?
Nov 19 19:53:06 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 19 19:53:13 * swisstomcat is writing a german pre2 review
Nov 19 19:53:57 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat
Nov 19 19:54:00 <MetaView> you have a pre2?
Nov 19 19:54:11 <MetaView> and is it that cool?
Nov 19 19:54:20 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Nov 19 19:54:32 <swisstomcat> yeah, i have a pre2 .. courtesy of webosinternals
Nov 19 19:54:36 <swisstomcat> it's nice and fast
Nov 19 19:54:43 <swisstomcat> pre2 with webos 2.0 rocks
Nov 19 19:55:14 <codeslaw> swisstomcat: is the screen more responsive?
Nov 19 19:55:27 <swisstomcat> i'd say so, yes .. because it's glass
Nov 19 19:55:38 <codeslaw> ya
Nov 19 19:55:38 <dohtem> swisstomcat: Please tell me the Facebook app is much smoother on Pre 2 + webOS 2.0
Nov 19 19:55:47 <codeslaw> i'd love to get my hands on one
Nov 19 19:56:21 <wastrel> hi
Nov 19 19:56:25 <swisstomcat> all the apps are really smooth
Nov 19 19:56:26 <swisstomcat> and fast
Nov 19 19:56:40 <swisstomcat> no more gloss on the device
Nov 19 19:56:48 <Rick_work> and REALLY SMOOTH and REALLY FAST
Nov 19 19:56:49 * dohtem likes the gloss
Nov 19 19:56:51 <codeslaw> what do you mean by gloss
Nov 19 19:56:57 <swisstomcat> it's all the same material as the touchstone back
Nov 19 19:57:04 <dkirker> lip gloss!
Nov 19 19:57:05 <codeslaw> oh on the backside
Nov 19 19:57:05 <dohtem> the shiny plastic, I presume
Nov 19 19:57:09 <swisstomcat> rick: got one too?
Nov 19 19:57:19 <Rick_work> not yet
Nov 19 19:57:23 <Rick_work> seen several today
Nov 19 19:57:26 <swisstomcat> soon i hope!
Nov 19 19:57:31 <swisstomcat> who had it .. palm people?
Nov 19 19:57:50 <swisstomcat> yeah, no more shiny plastic
Nov 19 19:57:53 <swisstomcat> glass screen
Nov 19 19:58:04 <swisstomcat> looks and feels high-quality
Nov 19 19:58:14 <MetaView> I will wait for CES before boing the buy descision
Nov 19 19:58:26 <codeslaw> boing the buy decision?
Nov 19 19:58:28 <dohtem> when is CES? January?
Nov 19 19:58:37 <MetaView> codeslaw: baeh
Nov 19 19:59:03 <dohtem> Jan 6-9
Nov 19 19:59:27 * MetaView finished the mass offline tile downloader
Nov 19 20:00:17 <codeslaw> is palm sched'd to do a big CES spiel?
Nov 19 20:00:33 <MetaView> people speak about several new devices
Nov 19 20:00:46 <MetaView> and other rumors speak about CES as presentation place
Nov 19 20:00:51 <MetaView> now I wait...
Nov 19 20:00:54 <wastrel> so is the shindig over?
Nov 19 20:01:11 <wastrel> the intro day
Nov 19 20:01:14 <swisstomcat> "We have 15 official people in WebOS Internals. You'd think we have a proper organization, but it's more like herding cats"
Nov 19 20:01:31 <swisstomcat> not yet
Nov 19 20:01:37 <swisstomcat> the intro day is pretty cool
Nov 19 20:01:45 <swisstomcat> a webos-internals talk for example
Nov 19 20:02:34 <wastrel> something about linux
Nov 19 20:05:41 <alexfner> chuqui is there a livestream or any equivalent link for today's dev day?
Nov 19 20:06:31 <swisstomcat> precentral has already posted some links to videos of sessions
Nov 19 20:06:41 <alexfner> yeah but I would LOVE a livestream
Nov 19 20:06:43 <alexfner> or Ustream
Nov 19 20:08:03 <chuqui> no livestream, but they're processing the videos quickly.
Nov 19 20:08:10 <chuqui> check the palm page on youtube.
Nov 19 20:09:17 <swisstomcat> it's great that they're uploading them so fast
Nov 19 20:09:36 <dohtem> i know.. thats awesome
Nov 19 20:09:44 <swisstomcat> chuqui: any word on a european developer device program? i hope you didn't forget about us ...
Nov 19 20:09:53 <alexfner> yeah they must have a bunch of ligers in the video department
Nov 19 20:10:03 <chuqui> swisstomcat: nothing on that right now.
Nov 19 20:10:11 <chuqui> not forgotten, more logistics.
Nov 19 20:10:24 <dohtem> I believe I shall enjoy a McRib for lunch!
Nov 19 20:10:25 <swisstomcat> we hope so :)
Nov 19 20:10:54 <swisstomcat> wow, 268 downloads for my dev day schedule app
Nov 19 20:12:25 <MetaView> chuqui: wouldn't be bad if the european developer devices aren't send from US
Nov 19 20:12:44 <alexfner> MetaView: rephrase, I'm not sure that made sense ?
Nov 19 20:12:46 <MetaView> 250$ for the device + 50$ tax
Nov 19 20:13:12 <chuqui> MetaView: we do what we can as fast as we can.
Nov 19 20:13:16 <MetaView> I got a Pixi from Palm, which was sent from USA, cost 50$ on the border
Nov 19 20:13:30 <MetaView> 50€ even
Nov 19 20:13:34 <MetaView> which is quite more
Nov 19 20:14:02 <MetaView> not complaining, just telling
Nov 19 20:17:13 <alexfner> all those livebloggers at the event
Nov 19 20:17:15 <alexfner> keep me informed
Nov 19 20:17:22 <alexfner> I haven't heard anything in the last 2-3 minutes
Nov 19 20:19:01 <haeffb> it's still happening.
Nov 19 20:19:02 <dohtem> I'm still pretty amazed HP/Palm invited homebrew folks to give a speech at Dev Day.  That's just... wow
Nov 19 20:23:22 <alexfner> chuqui: photos you might like http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/11/national_geographics_photograp.html
Nov 19 20:24:20 <chuqui> alexfner:  cool! thanks!
Nov 19 20:26:00 <alexfner> yeah!  They're excellent
Nov 19 20:47:01 * haeffb off...
Nov 19 20:47:59 <alexfner> On!
Nov 19 21:18:09 <dohtem> More Palm rumors - http://www.bgr.com/2010/11/19/palm-mansion-rumored-to-have-5-inch-touchscreen-february-launch/
Nov 19 21:18:42 <summatusmentis> I saw that, I'm really, really hoping it's not a 5" phone
Nov 19 21:18:59 <dohtem> or a tablet
Nov 19 21:19:12 <dohtem> thats a weird size to be useful as either
Nov 19 21:19:42 <summatusmentis> well, right
Nov 19 21:27:36 <wastrel> heh a 5" screen isn't a phone
Nov 19 21:27:40 <wastrel> that's like half an ipad
Nov 19 21:30:00 <summatusmentis> but it's a crappy size for a tablet too
Nov 19 21:30:19 <summatusmentis> not pocketable, but too small for a bag. Also, mostly too small to do anything tablet-y on
Nov 19 21:33:45 <wastrel> summatusmentis: did you go to the thing
Nov 19 21:33:50 <wastrel> there's a thing tomorrow also
Nov 19 21:48:38 <JenP> hey all
Nov 19 21:48:51 <dkirker> hi JenP!!
Nov 19 21:48:58 <JenP> hi dkirker!
Nov 19 21:49:08 <dkirker> bye JenP!
Nov 19 21:49:12 <JenP> so do they have dev days streaming anywhere?
Nov 19 21:49:16 <JenP> bye
Nov 19 21:49:20 <dkirker> Time to go to a professor's office hour.... :/
Nov 19 21:49:36 <Bmyers> nope
Nov 19 21:49:37 <dkirker> I don't think that it is streaming live. But I guess Palm was uploading videos for a while.
Nov 19 21:49:52 <JenP> Bmyers!
Nov 19 21:49:57 <JenP> so how is it?
Nov 19 21:50:08 <Bmyers> pretty cool so far
Nov 19 21:50:22 <Bmyers> it' the fluff track right now
Nov 19 21:50:24 <Bmyers> liar liar
Nov 19 21:50:42 <dohtem> yeah, this liar show has them NOT tweeting
Nov 19 21:50:50 <Bmyers> 4 ppl with stories and we're supposed to figure out who is telling the truth
Nov 19 21:50:54 <JenP> cool i'll check in again in a bit
Nov 19 21:50:58 <Bmyers> l8r
Nov 19 21:51:01 <JenP> tty all later
Nov 19 22:03:45 <deliciousmorsel> hey hey hey
Nov 19 22:06:26 <MetaView> where are the videos from palm devday?
Nov 19 22:14:26 <wastrel> is there an onscreen keyboard for web os?
Nov 19 22:14:41 <wastrel> and are there fancy different dealys like in android?
Nov 19 22:19:51 <codeslaw> whatup
Nov 19 22:20:20 <codeslaw> no native onscreen keyboard for the palm pre or pixi
Nov 19 22:21:21 <iWinRar> just reading through the pdf of rwhitby's presentation some info i never knew
Nov 19 22:23:36 <wastrel> codeslaw: is there graffiti :]
Nov 19 22:24:00 <codeslaw> wastrel: not natively, no
Nov 19 22:24:13 <wastrel> i liked graffiti
Nov 19 22:33:16 <MetaView> graffiti on a capcative touch screen?
Nov 19 22:33:45 <wastrel> that's the only kind ppl make anymore :p
Nov 19 22:59:53 <mbarvian> can anyone look at this simple sql code and tell me what's wrong with it? :) it'll take like 2 seconds I promise:
Nov 19 22:59:53 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1311990
Nov 19 22:59:55 <Loudergood> didn't you see there's a new capacitive screen that works with pens/etc
Nov 19 23:05:51 <mbarvian> anyone?
Nov 19 23:11:32 <hemna> how are folks handling Ajax.Request timeouts?
Nov 19 23:11:41 <hemna> looks like Ajax.Request never times out
Nov 19 23:11:45 <hemna> ?
Nov 19 23:13:17 <mbarvian> lol. I don't think anyone's in the mood to answer questions
Nov 19 23:14:37 <hemna> heh guess not
Nov 19 23:15:17 <mbarvian> hemna: on a side note, do you know any sql?
Nov 19 23:15:18 <mbarvian> :)
Nov 19 23:15:32 <hemna> yuh
Nov 19 23:17:36 <sk4jc> your sql looks fine
Nov 19 23:17:42 <sk4jc> but doesnt work?
Nov 19 23:18:05 <mbarvian> sk4jc: no, I get this:
Nov 19 23:18:05 <mbarvian> roperty 'success' of object #<a Request> is not a function
Nov 19 23:18:08 <mbarvian> *Property 'success' of object #<a Request> is not a function
Nov 19 23:20:45 <sk4jc> your sql is ok, but i dont see your on Success function
Nov 19 23:20:46 <sk4jc> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database
Nov 19 23:34:10 <Anivrom|pre> Oh schneeawwwps
Nov 19 23:34:50 <Anivrom|pre> Ok so I finally bought a touchstone today like 8 months later
Nov 19 23:35:27 <Anivrom|pre> And apparently it only works with the official cylinder wall charger?
Nov 19 23:36:52 <Anivrom|pre> Echooo echooo echooo
Nov 19 23:38:00 <Loudergood> yeah, that's about right
Nov 19 23:38:13 <Loudergood> needs too much power for generic usb
Nov 19 23:43:02 <dohtem> http://yfrog.com/e9ncycj - Palm Pre caek!
Nov 19 23:43:26 <Anivrom|pre> Well it wasn't generic usb and infact the specs were higher for my wall charger..
Nov 19 23:44:33 <Anivrom|pre> Than the original wall charger.
Nov 19 23:45:19 <Anivrom|pre> Good thing I'm going to the inlaws this weekend so I can get my original wall charger back
Nov 19 23:49:23 <Anivrom|pre> Dohtem: thought that was a real pre at first glance. Awesome
Nov 19 23:51:42 <Anivrom|pre> Torchie: word
Nov 19 23:52:01 <torchie> huh what
Nov 19 23:52:08 <Anivrom|pre> <3
Nov 19 23:52:14 <Anivrom|pre> >_
Nov 19 23:52:18 <Anivrom|pre> >
Nov 19 23:53:21 <torchie> :D
Nov 19 23:53:50 <Anivrom|pre> :P alrigt just got home from work so bai bai
Nov 19 23:55:58 <maik> wooo, another comment with 5 stars on Emergency Lights :D
Nov 20 00:04:19 <dohtem> woot
Nov 20 00:04:50 <dohtem> maik: use it at a bar to try and "stop some violators"?
Nov 20 00:19:54 <dohtem> Whats the best way to access the Catalog beta apps from my device?
Nov 20 00:20:55 <Robi_> preware, add beta feed
Nov 20 00:28:26 <alexfner> alright what did I miss?
Nov 20 00:28:41 <halfhalo> we stole france
Nov 20 00:29:35 <alexfner> when did this happen?
Nov 20 00:34:28 <dohtem> I cant novaterm to my device.  whats going on?
Nov 20 00:38:26 <alexfner> your device is not in dev mode?
Nov 20 00:38:39 <pandora--> dohtem: it's actually an evo
Nov 20 00:39:42 <Robi_> is there a wiki page for creating an internal feed for testing?
Nov 20 00:41:23 <dohtem> lol pandora--
Nov 20 00:41:33 <dohtem> alexfner: got it now, my error
Nov 20 01:03:01 <alexfner> hmm
Nov 20 01:03:06 <alexfner> EA's guitar hero has voice
Nov 20 01:03:20 <alexfner> which means they must have a way to read voice
Nov 20 01:03:22 <alexfner> hmm
Nov 20 01:03:56 <alexfner> from mic
Nov 20 01:03:58 <alexfner> hmm
Nov 20 01:04:00 <alexfner> hmm
Nov 20 01:38:55 <mbarvian> does someone mind taking a look at this tiny sql statement and tell me maybe why I'm getting an error with the onFailure?  It'll take like 2 seconds I promise
Nov 20 01:38:56 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1312176
Nov 20 01:40:26 <mbarvian> and here's the error I'm getting:
Nov 20 01:40:26 <mbarvian> Uncaught TypeError: Property 'onFailure' of object #<a Request> is not a function
Nov 20 01:41:14 <mbarvian> anyone? :)
Nov 20 01:48:00 <mbarvian> I've tried pretty much everything. keep getting that weird error
Nov 20 01:49:30 <mbarvian> NVM!
Nov 20 01:49:32 <mbarvian> figured it out
Nov 20 02:41:39 <dohtem> can you rate beta apps from preware?
Nov 20 02:42:17 <mbarvian> hey guys, is there a way to simulate a tap with Mojo?
Nov 20 02:42:45 <dohtem> nevermind, i see it
Nov 20 02:43:24 <doc_lee> mbarvian: Not really a "tap", but a click, yes
Nov 20 02:43:38 <mbarvian> doc_lee: do you know how? :) that'd be AMAZING
Nov 20 02:44:09 <doc_lee> mbarvian: What are you trying to click on?
Nov 20 02:44:27 <mbarvian> doc_lee: a button. It's for a walkthrough tutorial video
Nov 20 02:44:33 <mbarvian> *-video
Nov 20 02:44:50 <mbarvian> just x,y coordinates pretty much
Nov 20 02:45:39 <doc_lee> Let's see here...
Nov 20 02:46:15 <doc_lee> That might be hard to do
Nov 20 02:46:33 <doc_lee> Because the way to do it doesn't really give an animation or anything.
Nov 20 02:46:42 <doc_lee> So you won't see the button go down or anything
Nov 20 02:47:52 <doc_lee> To see the button go down, what you'd do is make two images.
Nov 20 02:48:11 <doc_lee> Then, write a command that shows one, then hides/shows the other
Nov 20 02:48:32 <mbarvian> doc_lee: does it show that little bubble under it look it usually does when you tap the screen?
Nov 20 02:48:49 <doc_lee> No.
Nov 20 02:48:58 <mbarvian> doc_lee: that's fine. I'm sure I can make it work :)
Nov 20 02:49:00 <doc_lee> Unless you just do the simple image switch thing
Nov 20 02:49:23 <mbarvian> doc_lee: but it activates the :active css class, right?
Nov 20 02:49:36 <doc_lee> Image switching?  No.
Nov 20 02:51:22 <mbarvian> doc_lee: lol that's ok.  I'll try it and see. what's the code? :)
Nov 20 02:52:29 <doc_lee> $('div1').hide(); $('div2').show();  Under one function.
Nov 20 02:52:48 <mbarvian> doc_lee: that's how you simulate a click?
Nov 20 02:52:57 <mbarvian> doc_lee: or is that how you change the image?
Nov 20 02:53:08 <doc_lee> Changing the image
Nov 20 02:53:24 <mbarvian> doc_lee: alright. how do you simulate a click at (x,y)? :)
Nov 20 02:53:34 <doc_lee> To simulate a click, you just call the function that the click event calls.
Nov 20 02:53:54 <mbarvian> doc_lee: ah. coulda figured that out lol
Nov 20 02:54:10 <doc_lee> Yeah...it's kind of obvious
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