**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 20 02:59:57 2010 Nov 20 03:00:48 lol. thanks though Nov 20 03:26:43 * oil is sad suardave showed up at the end of the first day of devdays and didn't say hi Nov 20 03:32:27 hey oil Nov 20 03:32:34 hey Nov 20 03:32:56 how is life? Nov 20 03:34:12 not bad Nov 20 03:34:42 Roy-Pre101 must have made it to his hotel xD Nov 20 03:34:45 thats good how was the "event" Nov 20 03:34:53 u guys drinkin? lol Nov 20 03:34:55 its only half over Nov 20 03:34:59 it was good though Nov 20 03:35:04 putting faces to internet handles Nov 20 03:35:18 oil: Still with Rod. Nov 20 03:35:19 i saw the pdf of the rwhitby thing, i found it super interesting Nov 20 03:35:25 i was introducing myself with my real name, and get a weird look, then im all "oil" and they're all "oh, its your fault!" Nov 20 03:35:26 tell rod i said hey Nov 20 03:35:41 lol really oil? Nov 20 03:35:45 lol Nov 20 03:35:55 i wish i could have made it down lol Nov 20 03:36:02 well, only those in on the joke said that, like bmyers Nov 20 03:36:02 how many people where there i hear it was sold out Nov 20 03:36:25 i dont know how many Nov 20 03:36:35 didn't count, lol Nov 20 03:36:47 a lot? a few? 1? where u the only person there? Nov 20 03:37:12 hehehe.. Nov 20 03:37:19 * halfhalo created a webos meme Nov 20 03:37:28 there was quite a few Nov 20 03:37:46 if i had to take a rough guess: over 100 Nov 20 03:37:57 but not more then 200 Nov 20 03:38:02 though, i could be totally wrong Nov 20 03:38:20 * halfhalo thinks oil is Nov 20 03:38:24 not to bad Nov 20 03:38:27 either way Nov 20 03:38:34 i would have been on irc all day if the wifi wasn't complete crap, or i could get a 3g signal in there Nov 20 03:38:50 where is the shindig Nov 20 03:38:59 new york Nov 20 03:39:04 france Nov 20 03:39:05 yeah where :] Nov 20 03:39:11 82 mercer Nov 20 03:39:11 lol yea i listened to both things Nov 20 03:39:20 they said something about the wifi lol Nov 20 03:40:19 the only time i got a consistent connection was when i was on ricks verizon pre hotspot thing Nov 20 03:40:25 when is the Enyo event again? Like 5pm eastern? Nov 20 03:40:29 hahaha Nov 20 03:40:37 seems to be in soho Nov 20 03:41:03 heh i used to work 2 blocks from there Nov 20 03:41:08 oil where do u live? Nov 20 03:41:16 washington state Nov 20 03:41:27 yeah, SineOt its tomorrow Nov 20 03:41:29 idk when though Nov 20 03:41:32 i think its the last one Nov 20 03:41:39 att? Nov 20 03:41:39 before bowling, haha Nov 20 03:41:49 no, im on sprint Nov 20 03:41:55 oh lol Nov 20 03:42:06 im guessing u plused it Nov 20 03:42:40 nope Nov 20 03:42:48 oh suprising Nov 20 03:42:53 lol Nov 20 03:43:00 i normally run it at 500mhz, too Nov 20 03:43:01 i thought all u internals folk did Nov 20 03:43:07 ur crazy son Nov 20 03:43:12 i would have if my dev device was a plus Nov 20 03:43:15 then again i started running at 500 again Nov 20 03:43:17 but i had 2 pre minuses Nov 20 03:43:27 i only oc when im using it alot and need the extra power Nov 20 03:43:32 just dont need it for normal stuff Nov 20 03:43:45 I'm running my Pixi at... 320mhz. :T Nov 20 03:43:55 lol Nov 20 03:43:55 when u getting a pre 2? Nov 20 03:44:05 At least when it's on a charger... Which is most of the time. Nov 20 03:44:10 hopefully tomorrow Nov 20 03:44:38 winning it? Nov 20 03:45:01 pretty cool that the pre2 by default scales back when its not needed Nov 20 03:45:02 idk Nov 20 03:45:18 at least that is how i read it on precentral Nov 20 03:45:22 could be wrong i supppose Nov 20 03:45:28 ya i wonder who gave them that idea ;] Nov 20 03:45:38 lol Nov 20 03:46:13 me too :D Nov 20 03:46:18 its such an awesome idea lol Nov 20 03:47:11 yeah, with the ondemandtcl govenor, right? Nov 20 03:47:41 i think that is what its set at Nov 20 03:47:47 even tho i prefer screen state Nov 20 03:48:18 what scales back? Nov 20 03:48:36 the cpu Nov 20 03:48:37 any big name developers were there? Nov 20 03:48:38 CPU speed Nov 20 03:49:11 ondemandtcl will hit full speed with keyboard input or screen input. Nov 20 03:49:14 rwhitby was there Deihmos, he is pretty big name in my book Nov 20 03:49:23 oil Nov 20 03:49:34 any of the webosinternal people are pretty big name in my book :D Nov 20 03:49:34 And will scale between the lowest and fastest speeds based on app requirements Nov 20 03:49:51 and dieter from precentral Nov 20 03:49:57 and most of the webosroundup guys Nov 20 03:50:07 who is dieter? Nov 20 03:50:11 never heard of the fellow Nov 20 03:50:16 guy runs Precentral I think Nov 20 03:50:22 or something along those lines Nov 20 03:50:23 SineOt i know :D Nov 20 03:50:30 oh :p Nov 20 03:50:31 what, is it ei? Nov 20 03:50:57 i try to visit precentral at least once a day Nov 20 03:51:02 even if its on the phone app Nov 20 03:53:35 yeah, it's nice to see soem new news and stuff Nov 20 03:53:55 i cant wait for CES! Nov 20 03:55:51 yeah, CES is going to be awesome Nov 20 03:56:31 what I want to see... Is the Dell Inspiron Duo! D: Nov 20 03:57:01 i want an hp webos phone and tablet at ces Nov 20 03:57:18 webos Nov 20 03:57:27 hp webos :D Nov 20 03:57:45 i hate that name to be honest Nov 20 03:57:58 palm webos sounds so much nicer Nov 20 03:58:52 eh, I just call it webOS, problem solved! Nov 20 03:59:01 true Nov 20 03:59:13 webaws Nov 20 03:59:38 http://moritz.stefaner.eu/projects/revisit/#/webosdev/WebOS%20Developers%20Days/300/true Nov 20 03:59:47 awesomeness Nov 20 04:00:18 webpaws Nov 20 04:00:29 thats awesome dohtem Nov 20 04:02:52 got that off twitter Nov 20 04:12:03 oh, a wircer Nov 20 04:12:54 oil's legacy lives! Nov 20 04:14:44 * halfhalo goes to kill them all off Nov 20 04:15:15 so what was in the goodie bag this dev day? Nov 20 04:15:56 what are the chances they even announce a new device soon. everyone thought they were going to announce something different but instead got another palm pre Nov 20 04:15:59 there was no bag Nov 20 04:17:18 wirc is awesome tho ummm i recently found (before i doctored my phone) for some reason i lost my saved prefernces Nov 20 04:23:16 didn't have wirc backed up through save/restore? Nov 20 04:27:13 it stores all data in cookies, it should have been saved in your palm profile Nov 20 04:27:34 * halfhalo eats wirc cookies for dinner Nov 20 04:27:58 nomnomnom Nov 20 04:29:13 heh Nov 20 04:30:17 i'm mad at verizo Nov 20 04:30:17 n Nov 20 04:30:26 my wife's cellphone battery died literally today Nov 20 04:31:53 oh? any they did what? Nov 20 04:32:14 failed to release the pre 2 Nov 20 04:33:14 yeeeeeeeah. Could port to att and grt it there :) Nov 20 04:33:50 at&t released the pre2 ? Nov 20 04:33:56 I'm on sprint and getting the unlocked pre2 just to have it Nov 20 04:34:19 No palm relesed unlocked pre2 yesterday. Nov 20 04:34:35 unlocked for gsm carriers in North America Nov 20 04:35:17 oil well i think some of my other saved data just went blah, im not sure at all i only noticed wirc Nov 20 04:35:45 then again i noticed i was like logged out of my palm profile after a reset or something a couple days after i noticed wirc saved data was mia Nov 20 04:37:24 unlocked but really only good for att Nov 20 04:37:33 on tmobile you cannot get 3G Nov 20 04:37:39 tmobile Nov 20 04:37:44 im getting sick of them Nov 20 04:37:45 tru. tmoble uses euro bands Nov 20 04:37:50 fail Nov 20 04:38:18 in the USA Nov 20 04:38:22 how effed up is that? Nov 20 04:38:49 tmobile is based in europe so they arried their tech here. Nov 20 04:39:01 *carried Nov 20 04:39:16 which is bad Nov 20 04:39:24 least they could have done was gsm Nov 20 04:39:29 i believe tmobile is cdma? Nov 20 04:40:25 na their gsm, just diffent bands on 3G Nov 20 04:40:34 ahh right Nov 20 04:40:54 you will still get edge though :) Nov 20 04:41:26 edge... heh lol Nov 20 04:41:47 im fine with cdma other then the fact that u cant browse and make a call at the same time Nov 20 04:41:58 doesnt wimax fix that issue tho? (Sprint) Nov 20 04:42:30 yep Nov 20 04:42:57 then i dont care about gsm :D Nov 20 04:43:09 plus gsm works best in the USA and canadia Nov 20 04:43:10 cause voice is cdma and 4g using wimax Nov 20 04:43:40 i dunno the pressing wimax to its limit is awesome how far they got it in there test Nov 20 04:43:51 but that is nothing but bragging rights if they cant do it in the real world Nov 20 04:43:52 but it MUST have the 4g coverage or back to limitation you go Nov 20 04:44:12 well wimax has a pretty wide ammount of antennas so far which is cool Nov 20 04:44:19 lte in the USA is still pretty limited Nov 20 04:44:26 but then again so are both of then... heh Nov 20 04:44:35 hey haeffb must be at his hotel now :) Nov 20 04:44:37 coverage wise Nov 20 04:44:47 welcome home haeffb Nov 20 04:45:21 so wait a tic, restoring palm profile data should bring back the irc cookies too? Nov 20 04:45:40 if you didn't delete wirc before you reset it Nov 20 04:45:47 its cookies should still be in the profile Nov 20 04:46:12 for some reason i got logged out of my palm profile and i had to do a few resets before i could get back in Nov 20 04:46:27 next time I'll do backup now before the erase then Nov 20 04:46:55 so how i the restoring sms back with save and restore Nov 20 04:47:03 you cant Nov 20 04:47:37 oh Nov 20 04:47:39 :( Nov 20 04:48:14 it's not yet supported in save/restore Nov 20 04:49:04 at least u can save Nov 20 04:49:21 Addiarmadar and that is what i was questioning if they made any headway Nov 20 04:49:46 morning Nov 20 04:50:34 howdy! Nov 20 04:51:16 hello gentlemen Nov 20 04:51:23 and/or ladies Nov 20 04:51:43 there is no ladies on the internets Nov 20 04:51:55 rwhitby hey :D cool presentation ( i got the pdf) :D Nov 20 04:52:00 so many things i did not know about u Nov 20 04:52:21 Just finished waitching the vid a bit ago. Nov 20 04:52:26 the youtube is up, there are some thing in the slides which do not show in the PDF Nov 20 04:53:04 alright ill check it out tomorrow :D Nov 20 04:53:18 i noticed the webathon is going good Nov 20 04:53:35 so rod did you get a chance to play with your com kit there yet? Nov 20 04:53:43 to bad the discount for developer devices wasnt available before u ordered some Nov 20 04:54:10 haha Nov 20 04:55:03 man, it's much different in here now that I know what some of you actually look like... Nov 20 04:55:25 lol Nov 20 04:55:36 meh best not to dwell on such details. point is the troops are getting their phones :) Nov 20 04:55:38 do you imagine me laughing whenever i lol now? Nov 20 04:55:55 yes Nov 20 04:55:56 but yea... wirc... the best looking and acting mobile irc client ive used Nov 20 04:56:13 thats saying something... Nov 20 04:56:16 tho id like tabs or some way to not have a bunch of cards open, but with stacks it will be much better Nov 20 04:56:32 yeah Nov 20 04:57:24 Dangit my Pre is about to die and I just know if I go to my pc I'll play black ops Nov 20 04:57:25 rwhitby did u get ur pre2? Nov 20 04:58:12 I'd pay good $$$ for wirc in the app catalog. Nov 20 04:58:29 define good cash? Nov 20 04:58:37 iWinRar: I don't believe any Pre 2's have been given out yet. Nov 20 04:58:48 ahh alright Nov 20 04:58:48 And I did not get my UK one in time. Nov 20 04:58:49 lets just say more than 1.99 Nov 20 04:58:55 ahh shame Nov 20 04:59:01 doh! Nov 20 04:59:02 well 1.99 id be fine with Nov 20 04:59:17 i just dont use irc much enough on my phone lol Nov 20 04:59:31 drains to much power in the end Nov 20 04:59:43 2.99 would bring in a looooot of money Nov 20 04:59:51 we're going to sell it for $20 Nov 20 04:59:58 ill pay that :D Nov 20 05:00:04 wait... Nov 20 05:00:10 I wasnt using irc much till wIRC came out cause it was the only chat I couldn't do on webos Nov 20 05:00:11 is there a podcast app for web os Nov 20 05:00:18 dr potter Nov 20 05:00:18 lol, just kidding Nov 20 05:00:29 drpodder Nov 20 05:00:32 yea Nov 20 05:00:34 podder lol Nov 20 05:00:36 sorry Nov 20 05:00:41 got harry potter on the brain Nov 20 05:00:42 someone has harry potter on their mind Nov 20 05:00:46 lol Nov 20 05:00:47 haha Nov 20 05:01:02 it's in homebrew too but get the paid one, it's just 99 cents. Nov 20 05:01:04 im wating until the final movie is out and then ima do a marathon lol Nov 20 05:01:40 i started reading the books when i was in middle school or something Nov 20 05:01:51 * oil hasnt read a single harrypotter book Nov 20 05:01:55 but the movies are alright Nov 20 05:02:01 was somethign that didnt bore me to read and then i watched the first couple movies Nov 20 05:02:09 well i did for class Nov 20 05:02:20 i needed something that wouldnt pain me to read Nov 20 05:02:24 and that happened to be harry potter Nov 20 05:02:34 and from then on i had to read the rest Nov 20 05:03:14 * halfhalo read them before, but the new ones are boring Nov 20 05:03:45 OH! TO THE KINDLE! Nov 20 05:03:51 lol Nov 20 05:03:53 i didnt mind the new ones but they get more long winded imho Nov 20 05:04:15 Theres a new lee child book out Nov 20 05:04:20 I wanna read it tonight Nov 20 05:04:25 lee child? Nov 20 05:04:45 yeah.. Nov 20 05:04:52 and a new clive cussler.. Nov 20 05:04:52 dont recall hearing of it Nov 20 05:05:02 KINDLE BUYING SPREE GO! Nov 20 05:05:19 emma watson cut her hair to cast for the roll of the dragon tattoo movie Nov 20 05:05:36 morning Adora Nov 20 05:05:52 Adora!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 20 05:06:10 quick hide the stash! Nov 20 05:06:24 * dkirker hides the Pre 3 Nov 20 05:06:25 :o Nov 20 05:06:40 Addiarmadar and dkirker sure work well together lol Nov 20 05:06:53 :o Nov 20 05:07:03 rwhitby: I'm watching your presentation. It is pretty good. :) Nov 20 05:07:14 connect disconnect connect, would think she is still at the conference xD Nov 20 05:07:24 or using wirc Nov 20 05:07:26 ZING Nov 20 05:07:31 doh! Nov 20 05:07:31 BAZINGA Nov 20 05:07:36 lol Nov 20 05:07:38 ;( Nov 20 05:08:05 why is wirc no tin the catalog? Nov 20 05:08:15 yea oil! Nov 20 05:08:24 you need to burn the midnight oil more to get it there Nov 20 05:08:27 cause there is bugs in webos stopping it Nov 20 05:08:29 humph Nov 20 05:08:32 oils holding out for more money Nov 20 05:08:36 cause it's a hybrid app Nov 20 05:08:40 more money? Nov 20 05:08:45 less money! Nov 20 05:08:47 the longer i wait, the less money i get Nov 20 05:08:48 lol Nov 20 05:08:53 that is one of the biggest problems with webos. why is it taking so long for hybrid apps. it has been almost 2 years Nov 20 05:08:54 its free right now Nov 20 05:08:57 hybrid apps are not yet support in 1.4 Nov 20 05:09:01 will it be 2.0 compliant? Nov 20 05:09:04 yeah Nov 20 05:09:08 2.0 is hybrid central Nov 20 05:09:08 yea Nov 20 05:09:08 nice :D Nov 20 05:09:11 * halfhalo laughs Nov 20 05:09:14 like quick office Nov 20 05:10:11 like documents to... oh wait L( Nov 20 05:10:15 damn RIM Nov 20 05:10:44 datviz was going android before rim gottem so meh Nov 20 05:11:04 been using quick office when I really get bored Nov 20 05:11:19 grr open office Nov 20 05:11:29 * haeffb is a fan of lee child Nov 20 05:11:31 well android is not likely to get any more updates Nov 20 05:11:41 rofl Nov 20 05:12:03 didn't make since since it has google docs Nov 20 05:16:03 * halfhalo sees a new james rollins novel comming out soon Nov 20 05:16:13 well cant u edit google docs on webos now Nov 20 05:19:28 na Nov 20 05:20:44 crap battery is at 0, catch yall soon. Nov 20 05:20:54 can you edit google docs on android? Nov 20 05:21:15 Addiarmadar: bye bye! Nov 20 05:21:25 yes but it all in house obviously Nov 20 05:29:52 hi all! Nov 20 05:30:01 hi one Nov 20 05:30:09 lol Nov 20 05:30:21 whats new? Nov 20 05:30:43 not much, thought i'd check in and see if anything exciting happened at dev days Nov 20 05:31:11 nothing more then what u saw on precentral (Well thats where i check) Nov 20 05:31:23 no one knew who oil was until he said he was oil Nov 20 05:31:25 so that was grand Nov 20 05:31:30 lol Nov 20 05:31:40 that's awesome Nov 20 05:31:57 i wasnt there so thats all i know Nov 20 05:32:09 guess we'll find out tomorrow Nov 20 05:32:20 tomorrow will be awesome i hope Nov 20 05:32:39 did u watch/listen to the stuff from today? Nov 20 05:32:58 no couldn't find anything on it Nov 20 05:33:10 oh precentral has 2 of the things Nov 20 05:33:27 oh kk yeah saw that Nov 20 05:33:30 i need to fully watch the thing from ruby from a couple days ago Nov 20 05:33:46 i dont think they updated the whitby thing yet so i might have to look for that myself Nov 20 05:34:26 someone posted this in here: http://moritz.stefaner.eu/projects/revisit/#/webosdev/WebOS%20Developers%20Days/300/true a little bi ago Nov 20 05:34:37 err bit ago Nov 20 05:34:52 hmm Nov 20 05:34:54 gtk Nov 20 05:34:57 it tends to bog down my browser tho (chrome) Nov 20 05:35:14 JenP: youtube/webosinternals Nov 20 05:35:32 rod! Nov 20 05:35:54 http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals Nov 20 05:35:58 if u wanna click it lol Nov 20 05:36:04 JenP: please apologise to Josh, I forgot to mention who did the pictures Nov 20 05:36:36 lol make itup to him later Nov 20 05:37:21 rod were they recording any of the tutorial sessions? Nov 20 05:37:26 u also did android central rwhitby? what happened to that? Nov 20 05:37:58 JenP: I'll tweet about it tomorrow rather than tonight when everyone is asleep Nov 20 05:38:14 sounds good Nov 20 05:40:32 * doc_lee yawns Nov 20 05:45:00 dont yawn Nov 20 05:45:05 you will make the rest of us tired Nov 20 05:45:10 I am tired Nov 20 05:45:34 were u at dev days thingy today? Nov 20 05:45:47 I didn't even know about them Nov 20 05:46:11 oh Nov 20 05:46:18 i didnt either so dont feel left out Nov 20 05:48:44 there were lots of people at the palm event? Nov 20 05:49:00 or were there lots of empty seats Nov 20 05:49:20 from what i hear it was sold out Nov 20 05:49:27 and this place had more spots then the last one Nov 20 05:51:23 it was sold out Nov 20 05:51:30 50% more than last time Nov 20 05:51:44 I would say over 300 people Nov 20 05:53:24 wow Nov 20 05:53:25 is there anything to look forward to like voice etc Nov 20 05:53:45 precentral has videos for most except for rwhitby's Nov 20 05:53:46 http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals Nov 20 05:53:48 which is there :D Nov 20 07:46:28 Rod's accent is awesome! Nov 20 07:47:07 it is Nov 20 07:47:12 aussie accent ftw Nov 20 07:53:00 he's been involved in quite a few open source projects. Nov 20 07:54:31 yea i noticed Nov 20 07:55:15 woo Nov 20 09:28:57 some of those on thre other side of the world have to feel BURNED! Nov 20 09:32:59 ?' Nov 20 09:39:35 what's wrong? Nov 20 13:57:28 Online from Dev Day 2 Nov 20 14:00:53 good morning Nov 20 14:08:03 hey, sugardave! Nov 20 14:10:32 Pre 2's for everyone! Nov 20 14:10:53 yay! Nov 20 14:17:06 wait rly? Nov 20 14:21:07 for reals Nov 20 14:21:44 I mean, not that I contribute to the app catalog, and I didn't have time to go, but I should've gone >.> Nov 20 14:23:57 haeffb: pick up one for me too :) Nov 20 14:28:43 If I see any spares laying around.... Nov 20 14:32:27 intro to node.js and js services, enyo....going to be a good day Nov 20 15:18:37 no Exhibition, no full support for JS services, no Synergy API....yet Nov 20 15:19:51 slates and phones coming "early 2011" Nov 20 15:21:08 Hello from DevDay Nov 20 15:21:20 hey ben Nov 20 15:21:22 hi Nov 20 15:22:21 I wonder when we will get 2.0 Nov 20 15:22:54 early 2011 might mean in 2 months Nov 20 15:22:58 which would be rockin' Nov 20 15:23:11 hey ben Nov 20 15:23:46 oh man, I hope enyo allows cross-platform apps, that'd be cool Nov 20 15:23:58 unwiredben: hey Ben, nice talk yesterday. Wish I could be there in person! Nov 20 15:24:09 ah, mojo is going the way of the dodo .. interesting Nov 20 15:49:28 re-hi Nov 20 15:50:38 hotdp! Nov 20 15:50:59 hotdp_pre: can I ask what the dp means in your nick? Nov 20 15:51:28 david petersen Nov 20 15:51:33 hey dave Nov 20 15:51:38 where you at? Nov 20 15:51:54 I'm in the marketing your apps room Nov 20 15:52:00 ah, ok Nov 20 15:52:05 me 2 Nov 20 15:52:06 front row second table from the right Nov 20 15:52:47 oki. i was hopping for crossplarform Nov 20 15:53:05 have heard this before on youtbe Nov 20 15:53:06 that's in the other room Nov 20 15:53:21 no hybrids is in the other Nov 20 15:53:24 ? Nov 20 15:53:28 oh right Nov 20 15:53:39 pre 2 :-) Nov 20 15:53:42 what happens to the phonegap/cross platform thing Nov 20 15:53:46 yay Pre 2! Nov 20 15:54:01 i think it change places with this one? Nov 20 15:54:13 11.30? Nov 20 15:56:09 how is mr martini today? Nov 20 15:57:15 hotdp_pre: haha, he looked alright Nov 20 15:57:32 2.0 catalog looks nice Nov 20 15:57:54 yer like the look Nov 20 15:58:12 we should ask about the paid apps Nov 20 15:58:23 for ect. my country Nov 20 15:58:57 Phil talked about it..."we know, we're working on it" etc. Nov 20 15:59:06 ohh Nov 20 15:59:33 so they are working on "fixing" it? Nov 20 15:59:46 basically Nov 20 16:00:04 cool then i will not ask Nov 20 16:00:37 ooo, operator billing and promo codes..nice Nov 20 16:01:08 yer! Nov 20 16:02:24 promo codes is a must-have Nov 20 16:02:45 and yes, maybe even paid apps in countries like danmark ;) Nov 20 16:02:55 haha Nov 20 16:04:01 I think the newer wall adapter I got with my plus doesn't work as good as my old one Nov 20 16:05:52 so, you know, if any of you who got a pre2 don't feel like you need it, I can accept the burden of it so you don't have to worry about it Nov 20 16:06:13 I don't have mine yet :) Nov 20 16:06:55 well, I mean, just throwing that out there. I'm only thinking of you Nov 20 16:07:18 I'm pretty sure I need it Nov 20 16:08:03 heh :) Nov 20 16:08:11 working on it.. Nov 20 16:08:24 I really need to finish my app Nov 20 16:08:28 fix now please! Nov 20 16:10:41 "looking at" developer response to reviews Nov 20 16:10:43 interesting Nov 20 16:11:38 yay so i can get my 5 x 0 rating removed for the misspelling Nov 20 16:12:25 nickserv help Nov 20 16:12:31 is chuqui there? Nov 20 16:12:42 nope Nov 20 16:12:45 /msg nickserve help Nov 20 16:12:51 -e Nov 20 16:13:04 he is garding the castle he said Nov 20 16:13:16 lately I found several: "Can't download" reviews Nov 20 16:13:27 thx Nov 20 16:13:31 garding? or guarding? Nov 20 16:13:41 hehe Nov 20 16:14:05 hello IRC Nov 20 16:14:05 hi ben Nov 20 16:14:06 I like the concept of garding it Nov 20 16:14:13 hello again ben Nov 20 16:14:15 welcome ben Nov 20 16:14:23 me too, but why on a saturnday? Nov 20 16:14:36 the network isn't very reliable? Nov 20 16:14:51 precentral said the wifi there is pretty unreliable Nov 20 16:14:56 I'm going to try and grab a smoke Nov 20 16:14:59 think ben was here because of the presentation Nov 20 16:15:01 yes, the wifi sucks hard Nov 20 16:15:17 yup, he was demoing wIRC Nov 20 16:15:26 i'm here in the back Nov 20 16:15:28 * MetaView lends sugardave some cigarettes Nov 20 16:19:02 :( Nov 20 16:19:19 ? Nov 20 16:27:37 where there anything about when we could up the phones? Nov 20 16:30:22 where there anything about when we could up the phones? Nov 20 16:30:41 pickup* Nov 20 16:32:16 they didn't give a time, but I saw them unpacking them at the registration table when I went to smoke Nov 20 16:35:18 you sons of beeches! you get Pre 2s? Nov 20 16:35:52 all of them :( Nov 20 16:35:57 I should've gone Nov 20 16:37:36 * dohtem` is jealous Nov 20 16:38:19 I vote for the next dev conference to be on the west coast... closer to Portland :P Nov 20 16:38:29 Austin Nov 20 16:38:37 Berlin, Germany, Europe Nov 20 16:38:48 California! Nov 20 16:38:54 über alles! Nov 20 16:39:00 MN >.> in the middle of the whole country, that way everyone has to travel equal distances Nov 20 16:39:03 it's the only fair way Nov 20 16:39:36 actually, I've changed my mind....Barbados Nov 20 16:39:46 hmm.. Nov 20 16:39:56 yeah I'll take Barbados Nov 20 16:40:10 if I'm going to travel it might as well be well worth it Nov 20 16:40:30 sugardave: there's a conference in a field of CS that is always on an island somewhere in the carribbean Nov 20 16:40:43 all the profs choose places they want to spend a week to have a conference >.> Nov 20 16:41:09 I don't remember which field it's in, or I'd look it up Nov 20 16:42:36 heh, a conf with mai tais and flip flops Nov 20 16:43:37 works for me Nov 20 16:48:47 you guys all heard that Ari Jaaski left MeeGo to do webOS right? Nov 20 16:48:49 jeez, my grandmother could set up a better wireless solution Nov 20 16:49:12 or, is leaving, apparently Nov 20 16:49:59 http://www.precentral.net/ari-jaaski-lands-palm-run-webos Nov 20 16:50:06 summatusmentis ^ Nov 20 16:50:52 yar, I just saw that Nov 20 16:50:56 I read that on engadget myself Nov 20 16:51:04 by just, I mean, I saw it this morning Nov 20 16:55:21 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2767865#post2767865 Nov 20 17:04:21 there's no amount of tools that'll help me remember someone's birthday, good job though otherwise henk Nov 20 17:04:30 thx :) Nov 20 17:06:26 it's nice to see that there's still a few of us old PalmOS guys kickin around Nov 20 17:07:27 I'm really glad palm didn't keep develping PalmOS Nov 20 17:07:48 I used it on my centro for a while, and it was fine as a first smartphone, but I really like WebOS much better Nov 20 17:08:28 oh I agree, not that it was Palm's to develop, but it's still nice to see a few familier devs from the old days Nov 20 17:08:53 that's fair :) Nov 20 17:20:58 blah... thought I was on wifi, forgot that after I exchanged my Pre I lost the key Nov 20 17:33:39 undefined Nov 20 17:35:34 is there any com board switch here today? i would like to have 3G working pre to when i go back to eu? Nov 20 17:37:33 hotdp_pre: i believe there is switching available .. Nov 20 17:37:45 hotdp_pre: http://twitter.com/PalmFlashCards/status/5997340297007104 Nov 20 17:38:37 I'm not sure if available is the right word Nov 20 17:38:41 I think they're trying it Nov 20 17:38:43 ah Nov 20 17:38:59 I expect we'll here if they get it working :) Nov 20 17:39:04 i guess i read into it that it was already successful .. maybe i am too optimistic Nov 20 17:39:11 hmm hope it will work Nov 20 17:40:21 based on what I've been reading, rwhitby brought a sprint comms board, and the kit needed to do the swap. I think PalmFlashCards volunteered their pre to try it Nov 20 17:40:45 very nice Nov 20 17:40:50 I also think I remember something saying that frankendoctor was being hung up on hardware checks or something Nov 20 17:40:52 i suppose once they're out of surgery .. Nov 20 17:40:55 kit? what is needed to switch? Nov 20 17:41:06 hotdp_pre: probably just tools to open the pre and whatnot Nov 20 17:41:16 just the boards, the proper screwdriver, presumably an anti-static band, etc. Nov 20 17:41:28 just basic electronics stuff Nov 20 17:41:29 ok Nov 20 18:00:39 is there some how-to to switc the com board? Nov 20 18:01:20 MetaView: between old Pre's, there's on on precentral Nov 20 18:01:24 I haven't seen anything for the Pre2 Nov 20 18:01:48 I'm looking for old Pre's atm Nov 20 18:02:01 have a Pre+ which has a receiption problem Nov 20 18:02:14 would like to exchange the motherboard with my old pre Nov 20 18:02:16 bbl Nov 20 18:03:28 most I've done with hardware mods is installed a rubberband under the power button of my old pre when it quit working :P Nov 20 18:05:07 MetaView: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html Nov 20 18:08:30 Hey, while I've looked around online I haven't be able to figure how to successfully time the full length it takes to run my program. Nov 20 18:09:23 From tap to ready to use? Nov 20 18:09:30 Actually nvm. Nov 20 18:13:21 bpadalino: http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-2-hacked-sprint Nov 20 18:15:37 o0o Nov 20 18:16:35 :o Nov 20 18:17:50 looks like they took the face/slider mechanism from a pre2, and put it on a sprint pre keyboard/mobo section Nov 20 18:19:38 so, that's pretty cool Nov 20 18:21:26 figured it was only a matter of time Nov 20 18:21:40 indeed Nov 20 18:23:27 pre2 :[ Nov 20 18:23:50 wastrel: what this means is you could hack together a pre2 + pre+ for your wife Nov 20 18:23:53 if you're getting antsy Nov 20 18:24:01 no Nov 20 18:24:14 _could_ Nov 20 18:24:20 no! Nov 20 18:24:32 psh Nov 20 18:27:46 :[ Nov 20 18:32:18 whats the haps? Nov 20 18:37:48 my wife hated the pre Nov 20 18:38:10 really? Nov 20 18:38:19 did she have a smartphone before? Nov 20 18:38:53 yea blackberry Nov 20 18:39:03 she hated the size and feel and how slow it was Nov 20 18:41:06 did you homebrew/preware it for her? :) Nov 20 18:43:14 I thought I wouldn't like the vertical slide/& keyboard size @ first, but now I'm use to it. Nov 20 18:44:12 my wife still wants her centro back Nov 20 18:45:12 well the pre2 is supposed to be faster Nov 20 18:48:11 pre2 is twice the speed/mhz as previous.. it's @ stock 1ghz. Nov 20 18:53:08 * dohtem` looks at his AT&T Pre Plus with disgust Nov 20 18:55:34 but were ALL gettin wos2.0... (in coming months) hehe ;) Nov 20 18:55:40 * phil_bw looks at his day old refurb Pre Minus... so new yet so old Nov 20 18:56:19 heh Nov 20 18:56:23 WebOS 2.0 for sprint should come packaged with UberKernel or I don't know how it'll survive Nov 20 18:56:43 * solix needs to put tape back over his pre's headphone jack.. keeps gettin stuff in it. Nov 20 18:57:22 they all should come Preloaded Wolvenhaven /homebrew apps :) Nov 20 18:57:33 * phil_bw never uses the headphone jack Nov 20 18:58:14 if stuff gets in there, it sometimes thinks it's plugged in & sound mutes.. hehe Nov 20 18:58:28 small fix Nov 20 18:58:28 you've gotta wonder if WebOS 2.0 will come with an optimized kernel for the older devices. Not nessesarily overclocked, but compcache and whatnot Nov 20 18:58:57 yeah, my Centro/Treo jacks were as problematic Nov 20 18:59:15 yep Nov 20 18:59:36 headphone jacks should always come with a rubber plug in them Nov 20 18:59:46 xactly Nov 20 19:01:12 wonder what the pre2 will be able to do with govnah.. 1.8ghz? :)) Nov 20 19:01:38 er, uberpre2 kernel that is. Nov 20 19:02:00 at least my refurb came with a higher resolution camera (no dust on the lense) Nov 20 19:02:14 nice.. Nov 20 19:03:00 I'm sure it'll get cranked way up. Not sure how *needed* it'll be, apart from if your trapped in the arctic and need to heat your extremedies. Nov 20 19:03:03 my refirb is muuuch better.. no yellow burnin spots, & loose kb. Nov 20 19:03:18 haha.. yea Nov 20 19:04:01 mine runs Cooler when oc80z 'c correctly. :) Nov 20 19:04:06 blah Nov 20 19:04:16 I don't wanna go to work Nov 20 19:04:16 er, overclocked. Nov 20 19:04:23 oh wait.. been here since 5am Nov 20 19:04:46 yeah, mine runs much cooler at 800 than 500 Nov 20 19:04:53 yep Nov 20 19:05:01 gets warm at 1ghz though Nov 20 19:05:21 with wifi or hotspot on for sure.. heh Nov 20 19:05:24 that's generally since I only really crank it that high if I'm doing heavy stuff Nov 20 19:05:37 yeah Nov 20 19:05:54 oh crap I gotta reinstall all the wifi hotspot stuff... Nov 20 19:06:02 knew I forgot something Nov 20 19:06:06 haha Nov 20 19:07:04 hope I'm more successful than I was with my wife's pre Nov 20 19:07:22 nothing I did would convince mobile hotspot to work so I just gave up Nov 20 19:07:32 my pre backup utility not working since last restore.. need to backitup, webos dr. it, & redue sometime, just for good housekeeping soon. Nov 20 19:07:46 on ur pixi? phil. Nov 20 19:08:21 both Pres Nov 20 19:08:47 hmm.. tried the dev restart (reset) phone? Nov 20 19:09:02 not sure? Nov 20 19:09:05 under devices, reset options. Nov 20 19:09:14 on bottom of page Nov 20 19:09:49 where? Nov 20 19:09:56 i ve had to do that.. it dosnt wipe nething, just reset phone. Nov 20 19:10:05 where on my phone am I looking? Nov 20 19:10:13 device...one sec Nov 20 19:10:27 device info Nov 20 19:10:51 scroll all way down, Nov 20 19:11:04 reset Options... first one Nov 20 19:11:17 restart. Nov 20 19:11:22 yeah, familier with that section Nov 20 19:11:30 never seen a "dev restart" Nov 20 19:11:41 ah ok Nov 20 19:11:45 oh, just regular restart Nov 20 19:11:53 use that from time to time Nov 20 19:11:59 yea Nov 20 19:26:25 anyone around? Nov 20 19:26:44 somewhat Nov 20 19:27:02 got an interesting issue... last night my pre stopped working on the mobile network Nov 20 19:27:08 but still made calls Nov 20 19:27:35 after fiddling, i restarted it a couple times, to see if its brains were scrambled (somehow) and still no go Nov 20 19:27:42 but now it doesn't even see the carrier Nov 20 19:27:56 did a dr restore... still no go Nov 20 19:28:01 anyone seen this problem before? Nov 20 19:28:44 i'm trying to search for it... but i keep coming up on non-relevant threads Nov 20 19:29:01 test highlight Nov 20 19:29:09 someone say my nick Nov 20 19:29:16 phone's only 5 weeks old, and is in perfect condition Nov 20 19:29:22 dohtem: test Nov 20 19:29:27 test dohtem Nov 20 19:29:27 thanks Nov 20 19:29:43 np Nov 20 19:30:26 ...no huh? Nov 20 19:31:02 umm Nov 20 19:31:16 dumb question but... are you in service range? Nov 20 19:32:06 just last night I couldn't figure out why Sprint wasn't showing up in the corner... then I realized I was roaming (was pretty tired at that point) Nov 20 19:32:35 yeah, i usually get perfect signal in the area i'm in Nov 20 19:32:41 never had an issue until last night Nov 20 19:33:58 :) Nov 20 19:34:08 oil_pre2 shunned me Nov 20 19:34:12 all the things that would be obvious have already been checked Nov 20 19:34:21 vzw says there's no problem on their end... Nov 20 19:34:23 * oil_pre2 doesn't know sugardaves face Nov 20 19:34:25 acct is fine... Nov 20 19:34:37 I'm sitting over here, where are you? Nov 20 19:34:39 dunno then Nov 20 19:34:43 I"m over here Nov 20 19:35:04 I'm sitting near the trac2 sign Nov 20 19:35:06 how do i go about circumventing the "getting started" process without a carrier? Nov 20 19:35:27 JS: MetaDoctor Nov 20 19:35:36 k, thx Nov 20 19:35:39 I'm way on the right-hand side near the back, sitting with haeffb and BMyers Nov 20 19:36:06 in trac1? Nov 20 19:36:29 yeah, where the cross-platform talk is Nov 20 19:36:39 what is in the other room? supposed to be nothing Nov 20 19:36:44 oh, I'm in the main room Nov 20 19:36:49 Ask them when they're going to implement WMA Nov 20 19:36:53 oh, I see Nov 20 19:36:57 sitting with risk and adora Nov 20 19:37:03 rick* Nov 20 19:37:16 cool, I think we're about to be done in here Nov 20 19:37:23 ok Nov 20 19:37:46 And if they say they aren't, you look them straight in the eye and say, "You bastard." Nov 20 19:37:57 And throw a book or something at them Nov 20 19:38:15 wire with stacks = win Nov 20 19:38:49 * oil_pre2 adds wirc to dictionary so it stops changing it to wire Nov 20 19:39:15 haha Nov 20 19:39:16 haha Nov 20 19:39:28 I'd be curious to see wirc with stacks Nov 20 19:39:49 * oil_pre2 takes screenshot Nov 20 19:41:17 now to see if I can get wifi with my laptop to upload it Nov 20 19:41:31 yeah you just got me thinking Nov 20 19:41:44 there's no good way to ftp something natively from the Pre Nov 20 19:41:57 short of command line Nov 20 19:42:43 hopefully hybrid apps will solve the lack of useful utilities Nov 20 19:47:53 did you guys get free pre 2's yet? Nov 20 19:48:26 I'm guessing oil got one since he's using it :P Nov 20 19:48:53 Sheesh. I haven't even gotten my free Pre 1 Nov 20 19:50:03 a free pre 2 would be SPRINT WHY Nov 20 19:53:22 sprint is bad Nov 20 19:53:23 someone over there should ask them about my "can't see the carrier" problem on my pre plus Nov 20 19:53:38 brand new device went wonky last night Nov 20 19:53:47 I like sprint Nov 20 19:54:06 I like sprint as well actually Nov 20 19:54:43 despite having crap for reception at my apartment. but the damn place is half underground so oh well Nov 20 19:55:00 sprint is only good if you want a cdma carrier that gets "newer" tech faster than vzw Nov 20 19:55:10 imo :\ Nov 20 19:55:37 or if your broke ass can't afford verizon... Nov 20 19:55:47 but is it really that much of a difference? Nov 20 19:55:54 i'm getting verizon Nov 20 19:55:56 100% Nov 20 19:55:57 Not for voice Nov 20 19:56:10 for voice, Verizon and Sprint have a sharing agreement Nov 20 19:56:15 i've been with red for 4 years, and love the service, and never complained about the price Nov 20 19:56:29 looking at voice plans they look on par Nov 20 19:56:59 but they do suck bawls for getting equipment out the door Nov 20 19:57:06 always last to the table :( Nov 20 19:57:27 I've compared and what I've found is we'd be spending more on verizon (since we just moved and the sprint reception sucks we've been looking in to other carriers) Nov 20 19:57:52 but on what features? Nov 20 19:57:56 data/text? Nov 20 19:58:06 or just the sharing voice in general Nov 20 19:58:12 phil_bw: Voice isn't going to improve with Verizon Nov 20 19:58:18 Unless the phone's radio is simply better Nov 20 19:58:19 we currently have two phones with unlimited everything Nov 20 19:58:40 doc, that's not entirely accurate Nov 20 19:58:44 doc_lee: when I'm roaming I get 5 bars Nov 20 19:58:53 there are additional cells in areas that sprint doesn't have access to Nov 20 19:59:08 so I just switch to "roam only" if I have to make an important call Nov 20 19:59:09 (that may not be the case) but i've seen it in practice Nov 20 19:59:37 JSpecMugen: That is actually true according to the voice agreement Nov 20 20:00:38 i understand... and i've had to physically survey areas for my business on different networks between sprint, att, vzw.. and same devices in certain areas, vzw trumps sprint Nov 20 20:01:03 so while they do share towers, sometimes vzw can come out on top... like i said, in practice it holds true Nov 20 20:01:26 I've found that I've never had a time where sprint service wasn't good that roaming didn't fix it Nov 20 20:01:26 :[ Nov 20 20:01:59 and it's worth saying, i've seen the opposite hold true aswell... it's just a lot rarer Nov 20 20:02:04 anyhow, all of the carriers suck, lets just be clear Nov 20 20:02:08 lol Nov 20 20:02:10 here here Nov 20 20:02:12 i hate them Nov 20 20:03:31 ...well i'm off to vzw to get shot down about my problem. maybe they'll fix it? :P Nov 20 20:03:34 have a good one guys Nov 20 20:03:53 you too Nov 20 20:04:01 sprint's better with replacements too Nov 20 20:04:10 crap, didn't get it in fast enough :P Nov 20 20:19:04 man Nov 20 20:19:05 this world Nov 20 20:19:10 carriers suck, phones suck, computers suck Nov 20 20:19:37 I like my phone Nov 20 20:23:50 hi Nov 20 20:24:03 omg the wifis need more geebees Nov 20 20:24:08 or something Nov 20 20:24:43 let's say i code a timetable-app for a congress/meeting or even concert. Nov 20 20:25:34 and i have 1 room with different happenings, but not ever hour something is happening. Nov 20 20:25:52 and i am at the point were i want to parse into view Nov 20 20:26:24 now i thought using a prototype/mojo template would be nice. Nov 20 20:27:13 how i get the "empty" times into my mojo-template? Nov 20 20:27:55 The empty times aren't empty Nov 20 20:28:11 hrm. Nov 20 20:28:16 You want to do something basically like a calendar? Nov 20 20:28:24 yes. Nov 20 20:28:39 okay, maybe i explained false. Nov 20 20:28:50 Yeah, so on a calendar, the empty times aren't really empty. They still include a time tag Nov 20 20:29:14 i have json with dates that happen, not having dates that _not_ happen Nov 20 20:30:27 So make a json with all dates, and then join the two Nov 20 20:31:17 Object.toJSON(data)... and how do i join? Nov 20 20:31:55 Well, you'd need to join and sort the array Nov 20 20:32:47 hrhr ok Nov 20 20:32:53 join to join an array... Nov 20 20:32:54 damn :D Nov 20 20:32:58 lol Nov 20 20:38:16 this is ridiculous Nov 20 20:38:34 ? Nov 20 20:39:04 can I force my scene to reload? I just need to call activate function again. Nov 20 20:40:00 dohtem: So call it Nov 20 20:41:14 i just always thought of it as a constructor Nov 20 21:02:05 oh yeah...I didn't get my t-shirt! Nov 20 21:02:22 that didnt work! Nov 20 21:02:24 sugardave! Nov 20 21:02:38 whats the best way to force reload a scene? Nov 20 21:02:42 but, if I get out of here with a Pre 2 and no t-shirt, I guess that's okay ;) Nov 20 21:03:04 i'll trade you numerous shirts for that shiny Pre 2 Nov 20 21:08:35 doc_lee: It worked! Nov 20 21:22:10 doc_lee: but the duration of each happening can differ. you got a clue? Nov 20 21:35:46 sooooooooooooo vzw told me to pound dirt :( Nov 20 21:36:29 Mugen[home], sucks man Nov 20 21:37:08 well, not all hope is lost. i've found a thread that has a palm 877 number to call and apparently if it's <1year old they'll replac eit Nov 20 21:37:11 *replace Nov 20 21:38:03 never used it Nov 20 21:38:20 I got lucky and Sprint changed their TEP policy a week before my keyboard started acting up Nov 20 21:38:27 i wish i had been able to make dev day :( i could have asked this to a pro Nov 20 21:38:48 yeah, definitely lucky Nov 20 21:39:20 I brought my beaten and battered pre with chips, dings, scratches, etc and told them it was acting up and they ordered a replacement without even looking at it Nov 20 21:39:44 that's awesome Nov 20 21:39:51 i'll +1 for sprint on that Nov 20 21:40:52 yeah, I've had nothing but trouble with sprint before this Nov 20 21:41:18 you were saying earlier you were going to look at another carrier because of your geo location Nov 20 21:41:21 does any of you have the pre2? Nov 20 21:41:30 does sprint provide a range extender? Nov 20 21:41:49 leiru, i wish brother Nov 20 21:41:53 in germany it seems to be available but not with qwertz keyboard Nov 20 21:41:59 i'm sure a EU member does Nov 20 21:42:43 Mugen[home], yeah they do but I don't have my own internet, I'm using public wifi at my apartment Nov 20 21:43:26 ahaa Nov 20 21:43:40 hrm Nov 20 21:43:43 it's all good, it roams wonderfully so I'm not too concerned Nov 20 21:43:54 seems that is directly available from HP in the states: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/ Nov 20 21:44:54 lei, yeah... i haven't heard of anyone in channel that has one though Nov 20 21:45:05 oil was in earlier on his Nov 20 21:45:08 he got his at dev day Nov 20 21:45:16 sweet :D Nov 20 21:45:23 * Mugen[home] is jealous. Nov 20 21:46:25 damn. palm should let happen dev-days in europe. especially germany :) Nov 20 21:46:55 I'd be happy if they happened on the west coast Nov 20 21:47:58 phil, where abouts you located? Nov 20 21:48:05 near Portland, OR Nov 20 21:48:07 40°F.. :-( Nov 20 21:48:09 cause i agree... seeing i'm in az Nov 20 21:48:15 nice Nov 20 21:48:17 what part of AZ? Nov 20 21:48:24 valley... Scottsdale Nov 20 21:48:33 ah, I lived in Tempe for a while Nov 20 21:48:42 _love_ tempe :) Nov 20 21:48:48 mmm college girls ;) Nov 20 21:49:11 haha Nov 20 21:49:12 lei, it's pretty cold here too mate. about 68 degrees right now Nov 20 21:49:16 yeah, I lived close to ASU Nov 20 21:49:28 i lived in tempe back in 2005 for about a year Nov 20 21:49:33 Priest and Broadway Nov 20 21:49:44 right behind that Denny's on broadway Nov 20 21:49:47 not far, I lived there back in 2001 myself Nov 20 21:49:58 was at Roosevelt and University Nov 20 21:50:36 loved the area Nov 20 21:50:45 being so close to mill ave was a treat Nov 20 21:50:50 yeah Nov 20 21:51:09 I used to walk up and sit on A mountain just to relax Nov 20 21:51:17 yup Nov 20 21:51:25 how long has it been since you've been back here? Nov 20 21:51:29 albeit being originally from Alaska I wouldn't consider A mountain really a mountain Nov 20 21:51:36 tempe town lake has some AWESOME condos now, right on the lake Nov 20 21:51:39 1-3m condos Nov 20 21:51:41 haven't been back since '01 Nov 20 21:51:49 oh nice Nov 20 21:51:50 beautiful modern condos too Nov 20 21:52:51 nice Nov 20 21:52:57 I'm pretty partial to Oregon now Nov 20 21:53:08 met my wife here, had my first kid here, second on the way here Nov 20 21:53:38 awe :) Nov 20 21:53:40 congrats Nov 20 21:54:03 <- hamburg (with famous st. pauli) :P Nov 20 21:57:33 you been ever in germany? Nov 20 22:01:05 doc_lee: got the clue, i change it in my api. Nov 20 22:07:39 anyone know what the correct MSID # for vzw is? Nov 20 22:08:18 you mean msisdn? Nov 20 22:08:31 that would be your phone-number. Nov 20 22:09:01 naw, MSID is different Nov 20 22:09:05 it's carrier specific Nov 20 22:09:13 mine right now is 10 zeros Nov 20 22:09:18 i'm just wondering if that's the issue Nov 20 22:09:36 booting my old bbStorm to see if that's alid Nov 20 22:09:39 *valid Nov 20 22:10:13 funny thing... even though the phone is "searching..." for a carrier... if i do an emergency call. it finds the carrier and connects the call Nov 20 22:10:33 then when it falls back to the home screen it resumes "Searching..." Nov 20 22:19:24 just found that ##786# brings up modem info... also gives the ability to reset modem info to factory defaults. going to check it out... hopefully i get somewhere Nov 20 22:21:44 hi, just wondering if it's good/necessay to Enable compcache(limit16mb), for general use, or mostly for the Devs?ppl. thanks. Nov 20 22:25:32 holy shit... that worked Nov 20 22:25:44 i've got carrier connection now Nov 20 22:25:48 :D Nov 20 22:26:30 now to figure out why i can't connect to mobile network Nov 20 22:28:25 pre or pixi? Nov 20 22:28:31 pre Nov 20 22:28:46 it failed to connect to the network last night for some reason Nov 20 22:28:58 hoot hoot Nov 20 22:28:59 then when i rebooted it, it totally failed and i couldn't even do voice Nov 20 22:29:12 reset it? Nov 20 22:29:15 did a dr restore, and got stuck at welcome screen. Nov 20 22:29:23 took it to vzw and they said i was SOL Nov 20 22:29:24 youch Nov 20 22:29:41 so after some research... i found the ##786# modem info Nov 20 22:29:45 did a reset on that Nov 20 22:30:01 and reboot + network reactivation got me carrier connect again Nov 20 22:30:08 good Nov 20 22:30:11 just had rwitby install preware on my pre2! Nov 20 22:30:12 but now it's not connected to the network... voice is good tho Nov 20 22:30:21 so now i have to diagnose that Nov 20 22:30:33 need to submit this to webos internals Nov 20 22:30:56 grats bmeyers :) Nov 20 22:31:35 and now I have wire. blame oil! Nov 20 22:31:37 ugh... so happy i didn't have to go back to my bbStorm Nov 20 22:32:39 heh Nov 20 22:33:09 :P Nov 20 22:35:32 what did people think of the pre 2 Nov 20 22:42:56 webos Nov 20 22:48:41 remote Nov 20 22:50:39 O_o Nov 20 22:50:44 wtf did "remote" come from Nov 20 22:51:00 hi Nov 20 22:51:04 ohai Nov 20 22:51:25 you secretly miss the IR port and the TV remote control program Nov 20 22:51:34 welll.... Nov 20 22:51:41 im fighting with xbmc and remotes right now Nov 20 22:51:42 lol Nov 20 22:51:52 pissing me off ;) Nov 20 22:51:54 bad Nov 20 22:55:56 hi all Nov 20 22:56:20 I've been reading the app basics of webos and created a small sample app in Ares Nov 20 22:56:43 but now I want to have notification, so I should make an appcontroller Nov 20 22:57:13 s/appcontroller/appassistant Nov 20 22:57:40 should that replace the stage-assistant.js or can they co-exist Nov 20 23:01:42 oooh... Enyo is looking good Nov 20 23:08:32 welp... now verizon says "Sorry, we are unable to authenticate your phone" Nov 20 23:08:44 *22899 doesn't fix it either :( Nov 20 23:52:32 hey Nov 21 00:03:22 enyo! Nov 21 00:14:51 webos is linux Nov 21 00:17:42 en Nov 21 00:17:45 yo Nov 21 00:41:04 woop! back in action :D Nov 21 00:41:08 pre = fixed! Nov 21 01:04:32 alright what's enyo Nov 21 01:04:36 let's do this Nov 21 01:04:41 I am not at dev day Nov 21 01:04:51 I have to rely on the kindness of strangers Nov 21 01:36:55 did every developer who attended dev day get a fre pre 2? Nov 21 01:36:56 free* Nov 21 01:38:29 i think so Nov 21 01:38:42 enyo = successor to mojo Nov 21 01:38:48 based off the framework ares uses Nov 21 01:38:59 much more high level, OO, likely not prototype based Nov 21 01:40:42 I just watched the demo video on it Nov 21 01:40:48 very impressive Nov 21 02:13:57 nooooo it seems the power button on my pre is failing Nov 21 02:16:40 arrrrrgghh Nov 21 02:16:52 that's flusterbating Nov 21 02:17:01 pre 2? Nov 21 02:18:00 pre pre baby Nov 21 02:18:03 yo yo yo Nov 21 02:20:38 yo yo yo!?! Nov 21 02:32:47 hey hey my my yo yo Nov 21 02:39:12 hiyoooooo Nov 21 02:39:42 man this tea man Nov 21 02:39:46 it's incredible Nov 21 02:40:22 fuckin tea yo Nov 21 02:41:15 yeah man, these xanthines it has, are crazy Nov 21 02:41:55 yerbe mate Nov 21 02:42:02 gotta go to your local trader joes and get some Nov 21 02:54:19 had it Nov 21 02:58:20 lol, yerba mate **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 21 02:59:58 2010