**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 21 02:59:58 2010
Nov 21 03:00:53 <alexfner> codeslaw: had it eh?
Nov 21 03:01:00 <codeslaw> yes
Nov 21 03:01:04 <codeslaw> its good
Nov 21 03:01:27 <alexfner> did you know of all the health/energy benefits it provides?
Nov 21 03:02:03 <chronomex> fuck do I care, I'm young
Nov 21 03:04:16 <codeslaw> oddly enough, i made a mini-site about it for Central Market, they're a client for my agency
Nov 21 03:05:16 <alexfner> haha
Nov 21 03:05:18 <alexfner> nice
Nov 21 03:05:29 <alexfner> so yeah if you could ship me 5lbs of yerbe that would be great
Nov 21 03:06:11 <codeslaw> psh, argentina fest is over
Nov 21 03:06:14 <alexfner> chronomex: gotta recognize that the human body is a chemical system, yerbe provides concentration, energy, soothes smooth muscle, and lowers cholesterol among other things
Nov 21 03:06:31 <alexfner> I've had a hard time finding loose yerbe locally
Nov 21 03:06:37 <alexfner> and not paying an absurd amount for it
Nov 21 03:06:47 <codeslaw> indeed
Nov 21 03:06:51 <alexfner> I don't prefer bag tea, but am drinking it now to get my yerbe fix
Nov 21 03:07:43 <torchie> man I've been having a hard time trying to find loose
Nov 21 03:08:03 <alexfner> torchie: tea?
Nov 21 03:08:05 <alexfner> :)
Nov 21 03:08:13 <torchie> yeah
Nov 21 03:08:24 <torchie> apparently there's a tea and sandwich shop across from my college campus that has loose
Nov 21 03:08:34 <torchie> but I infrequently leave the campus on my own, lol
Nov 21 03:09:08 <alexfner> hah
Nov 21 03:09:28 <alexfner> well there is a place at the mall but I loathe going there, cause the place is spensif
Nov 21 03:09:31 <alexfner> so I am not going there
Nov 21 03:09:36 <torchie> teavana?
Nov 21 03:09:42 <alexfner> tea haus
Nov 21 03:09:44 <torchie> ah
Nov 21 03:10:08 <alexfner> I usually order on line, but have trouble finding loose yerbe online from amazon or someone large who already has my info
Nov 21 03:19:59 <alexfner> applied to mozilla yesterday
Nov 21 03:20:09 <alexfner> I really need to learn to tailor my resume for specific places
Nov 21 03:20:43 <alexfner> and by learn, I mean remember
Nov 21 03:25:50 <doc_lee> Yeah, that helps
Nov 21 03:28:13 <alexfner> does taping hundred dollar bills to your resume help?
Nov 21 03:28:24 <doc_lee> No.
Nov 21 03:28:31 <alexfner> I thought about sending a mix tape along with my resume as well
Nov 21 03:28:39 <doc_lee> Are you submitting directly to a person or online?
Nov 21 03:28:46 <alexfner> ...online...
Nov 21 03:28:54 <doc_lee> In what format?
Nov 21 03:29:38 <alexfner> text
Nov 21 03:29:54 <doc_lee> They usually say Word or PDF
Nov 21 03:30:03 <alexfner> pdf*
Nov 21 03:30:05 <alexfner> I used pdf
Nov 21 03:30:26 <doc_lee> What you want to do for your PDF is to basically stack things up.
Nov 21 03:30:32 <doc_lee> Or a word file as well
Nov 21 03:31:03 <doc_lee> So, basically what happens at larger firms is your resume is converted to searchable text
Nov 21 03:31:21 <doc_lee> Then, when a position becomes available, they search for a particular skill set
Nov 21 03:31:35 <alexfner> interning, here
Nov 21 03:31:40 <alexfner> keep going though
Nov 21 03:31:44 <alexfner> this is interesting
Nov 21 03:31:56 <doc_lee> In other words, you need to make sure your resume is as "readable" and "searchable" as possible.
Nov 21 03:33:48 <alexfner> makes sense
Nov 21 03:33:53 <alexfner> cool
Nov 21 03:33:59 <doc_lee> Yeah.  Keep is clean
Nov 21 03:34:01 <alexfner> thanks
Nov 21 03:34:09 <doc_lee> it rather
Nov 21 03:34:37 <doc_lee> Best thing to do is find somebody that works at the place you want to work at though
Nov 21 03:35:04 <doc_lee> Even if it means reaching out to them on something like linkedin
Nov 21 03:35:44 <alexfner> oh yeah?
Nov 21 03:38:52 <doc_lee> Definitely
Nov 21 03:39:01 <doc_lee> They can put your resume in to a hiring manager
Nov 21 03:43:33 <Bmyers> Hey hey
Nov 21 03:43:53 <doc_lee> Bmyers: You do any jquery?
Nov 21 03:44:01 <alexfner> hey hey everybody it's Bmeyers!
Nov 21 03:44:23 <Bmyers> Query a little..
Nov 21 03:44:57 <Bmyers> Hi alexfner
Nov 21 03:45:17 <doc_lee> I'm trying to insert a childnode (<ul>) into another node to make a dynamic nested list
Nov 21 03:45:32 <Bmyers> On the train. Going home from devdays
Nov 21 03:45:41 <doc_lee> I can't make it specific though or else it won't be all dynamic
Nov 21 03:46:54 <Bmyers> Sounds like a tricky one doc
Nov 21 03:47:35 <doc_lee> Yeah.  something like $(<ul></ul>).appendTo(this is where I'm stuck...)
Nov 21 03:47:52 <doc_lee> this.html()?
Nov 21 03:48:13 <doc_lee> That won't work...
Nov 21 03:50:44 <Bmyers> Append to what dom element tho?
Nov 21 03:51:47 <doc_lee> http://pastebin.com/W0GVXcTi  Say I have this.
Nov 21 03:52:16 <doc_lee> http://pastebin.com/Y7Ab236e  I need this
Nov 21 03:52:54 <doc_lee> But it happens on a click
Nov 21 03:53:28 <doc_lee> So it's like I need to be able to specify the helo world-3 li and appendTo that.
Nov 21 03:58:26 <Bmyers> I imagine it could be a vary vary long list you are dealing with,correct?
Nov 21 03:58:40 <Bmyers> Very...
Nov 21 03:58:46 <doc_lee> The opml files for radiotime
Nov 21 03:58:56 <doc_lee> So, yeah...huge.
Nov 21 03:58:59 <Bmyers> Right..
Nov 21 03:59:30 <Bmyers> Can you give it a unique class?
Nov 21 03:59:50 <Bmyers> Find it that way?
Nov 21 04:00:25 <doc_lee> Wouldn't work because I'd need to class every single show with a different class.
Nov 21 04:00:50 <doc_lee> And then I'd still need to be able to call that class dynamically
Nov 21 04:08:14 <Bmyers> How do you do it in webOS?
Nov 21 04:08:41 <doc_lee> No need to do it.
Nov 21 04:09:08 <doc_lee> You can reuse pages dynamically so every time you push the same page, it dynamically creates another one
Nov 21 04:14:33 <Bmyers> Battery about gone. Have to sign out.
Nov 21 04:51:13 * phil_bw wanders by
Nov 21 04:51:48 * alexfner is worried by all the wanderers we're seeing lately
Nov 21 04:52:09 * phil_bw was the original
Nov 21 04:52:44 * alexfner watches security camera footage revealing phil_bw wander in, and leave the door open, resulting in a number of wanderers coming in
Nov 21 04:52:46 * alexfner closes the door
Nov 21 04:53:19 <phil_bw> ah
Nov 21 04:53:33 <phil_bw> that explains it
Nov 21 04:53:44 <alexfner> yeah, if you're gonna wander in, try not to leave the door open
Nov 21 04:53:49 <alexfner> wanderers love walking through open doors
Nov 21 04:54:07 <phil_bw> yes
Nov 21 04:54:19 <phil_bw> would hate for someone from #apple to walk in or something
Nov 21 04:54:50 <alexfner> we welcome ##apple wanderers so long as they don't start preaching
Nov 21 04:56:05 <phil_bw> like that'll ever happen
Nov 21 04:56:53 <alexfner> :D
Nov 21 04:58:44 <phil_bw> then again I am writing software with the intent on also releasing on the iPhone so I guess I can't hate them all
Nov 21 04:58:59 <phil_bw> they go from fanboys to customers
Nov 21 05:01:14 <iWinRar> hi phil_bw
Nov 21 05:01:24 <phil_bw> hello
Nov 21 05:01:30 <iWinRar> phil miller!
Nov 21 05:02:35 <phil_bw> yes, that's me
Nov 21 05:03:01 <phil_bw> unless I've made someone angry
Nov 21 05:03:09 <iWinRar> im angry
Nov 21 05:03:13 <iWinRar> rawr
Nov 21 05:03:20 <iWinRar> ok im no longer angry
Nov 21 05:03:36 * phil_bw launches you at a green pig on an unsound structure
Nov 21 05:03:54 <iWinRar> im not an angry bird
Nov 21 05:04:23 <phil_bw> oh, had you mistaken
Nov 21 05:04:36 <iWinRar> tho im excited about angry birds update for webos :D
Nov 21 05:04:54 <alexfner> who is this phil miller character?
Nov 21 05:05:01 <phil_bw> I'm still on the free one
Nov 21 05:05:25 <iWinRar> phil_bw is lol
Nov 21 05:05:37 <iWinRar> i went to school with a troy miller tho
Nov 21 05:05:40 <alexfner> yes yes we know who phil_bw is, but who is phil miller?
Nov 21 05:06:11 <iWinRar> phil_bw is ~wircer@c-24-20-55-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net * Phil Miller
Nov 21 05:06:21 <phil_bw> it appears he figured out how to do a whois and I actually put my real name in the real name field
Nov 21 05:06:43 <iWinRar> sadly ive known to whois for ages :(
Nov 21 05:07:17 <iWinRar> i thought u left to change ur name
Nov 21 05:07:19 <iWinRar> guess not
Nov 21 05:07:35 <iWinRar> my name is ...
Nov 21 05:07:53 <phil_bw> no, was flipping through cards too quickly
Nov 21 05:08:06 <iWinRar> accidently swiped up?
Nov 21 05:08:26 <iWinRar> one think i wish webos had... a "reopen" feature
Nov 21 05:08:42 <iWinRar> giving u like a minute or so to reopen a card unharmed
Nov 21 05:08:43 <phil_bw> no, actually I accidentally managed to hit the disconnect button of all things
Nov 21 05:08:51 <iWinRar> lol o
Nov 21 05:09:11 <iWinRar> i accidently swip up once in a while
Nov 21 05:10:04 <phil_bw> yeah, that'll happen occasionally
Nov 21 05:10:33 <iWinRar> i dont think an "opps" button could hurt
Nov 21 05:10:38 <iWinRar> for stuff u close on accident
Nov 21 05:10:47 <iWinRar> especially with some things
Nov 21 05:11:23 <torchie> state saving
Nov 21 05:11:59 <torchie> guys I've been thinking of making a film adaptation of angry birds.
Nov 21 05:12:03 <torchie> except it's more metaphorical
Nov 21 05:12:12 <torchie> the angry birds are just frustrated women
Nov 21 05:12:19 <torchie> the pigs are just men
Nov 21 05:12:34 <torchie> the unsound structures are just their fragile personalities
Nov 21 05:15:45 <phil_bw> it'll be a hit
Nov 21 05:16:30 <iWinRar> angry birds creators were recently complaining about fragmentation with android
Nov 21 05:16:33 <iWinRar> i hope that NEVER
Nov 21 05:16:37 <iWinRar> happens with webos
Nov 21 05:16:42 <torchie> it's easy for it to not happen
Nov 21 05:16:56 <torchie> just don't rely on the orphaned operating system model
Nov 21 05:17:01 <iWinRar> at least support old devices for 2 generations after new gen are out
Nov 21 05:17:03 <torchie> make software for hardware
Nov 21 05:17:28 <iWinRar> i say this because well... that is about how long NORMAL people keep their phone
Nov 21 05:17:31 <iWinRar> about 2 years or so
Nov 21 05:17:41 <torchie> there's a slight chance of it, though, if palm pulls a nokia and just makes a crapload of different form factors on their own
Nov 21 05:17:59 <iWinRar> well they got hp :D lol
Nov 21 05:18:06 <iWinRar> either way
Nov 21 05:18:15 <torchie> personally I feel the best model for them would for them to have different form factors with the exact same specs
Nov 21 05:18:17 <iWinRar> the fragmentation will never be that of android lol
Nov 21 05:18:53 <iWinRar> well part of that is they dont do it like apple
Nov 21 05:19:00 <iWinRar> direct upgrade
Nov 21 05:19:12 <iWinRar> they go though the carrier
Nov 21 05:19:16 <torchie> well if you're not apple you're the carrier's bitch
Nov 21 05:19:17 <iWinRar> which is a major issues
Nov 21 05:19:18 <torchie> so yeah :(
Nov 21 05:19:33 <iWinRar> well apple is only the carriers bitch in the US lol
Nov 21 05:19:38 <wastrel> hi
Nov 21 05:20:02 <torchie> well I mean, with the iphone they never had to put at&t crapware on it and at&t generally gets out of the way
Nov 21 05:20:29 <iWinRar> well att also charges a premium for the iphone
Nov 21 05:20:32 <iWinRar> at least they used to
Nov 21 05:20:35 <iWinRar> dont know how it is now
Nov 21 05:20:37 <torchie> I thought that was apple themselves?
Nov 21 05:20:42 <torchie> or do you mean for the plan
Nov 21 05:22:06 <phil_bw> it's a joint raping
Nov 21 05:23:03 <iWinRar> the plan yea
Nov 21 06:54:58 <nyceane> codeslaw
Nov 21 06:55:01 <nyceane> are you here?
Nov 21 06:55:12 <codeslaw> yo
Nov 21 06:55:55 <nyceane> did you get your laptops yet?
Nov 21 06:56:10 <nyceane> and did you go to NY?
Nov 21 06:56:15 <codeslaw> no and no
Nov 21 06:56:20 <codeslaw> i opted for the credit, not the laptop
Nov 21 06:56:49 <nyceane> did you get the credit?
Nov 21 06:57:14 <iWinRar> http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-CA/Games/AgeofEmpiresIII/
Nov 21 08:08:16 <mugen[bounced]> test
Nov 21 08:17:07 <nyceane> codeslaw, are you here?
Nov 21 13:10:31 <hotdp_pre> morning
Nov 21 13:18:32 <rick_pre> morning
Nov 21 13:18:47 <rick_pre> on my way to lga
Nov 21 13:19:40 <hotdp_pre> good trip
Nov 21 13:20:00 <rick_pre> thanks
Nov 21 13:20:11 <rick_pre> had a heck of a time
Nov 21 13:21:47 <hotdp_pre> me2
Nov 21 13:22:03 <Bmyers> hotdp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 21 13:22:16 <hotdp_pre> bmyers!!!!!
Nov 21 13:22:39 <Bmyers> you guys have fun last night?
Nov 21 13:22:44 <hotdp_pre> did you have a good trian ride?
Nov 21 13:23:00 <Bmyers> sure. only about 80 minutes or so
Nov 21 13:23:07 <hotdp_pre> nah.. Peter was a little sick so went home early :-(
Nov 21 13:23:33 <Bmyers> too much free food and drink for peter?
Nov 21 13:23:47 <hotdp_pre> hehe more like cold
Nov 21 13:24:14 <Bmyers> it was really great to meet up with you guys. thanks for making the trip over
Nov 21 13:24:29 <hotdp_pre> yer same here!
Nov 21 13:24:49 <hotdp_pre> mr martini ;-)
Nov 21 13:24:55 <Bmyers> pomtini
Nov 21 13:25:03 <hotdp_pre> ohh yer
Nov 21 13:25:11 <Bmyers> i was ripped that night
Nov 21 13:25:47 <Bmyers> luck for me haeffb is 6'6" and an easy target to follow back to the hotel
Nov 21 13:26:39 <Bmyers> is haeffb  here?
Nov 21 13:27:12 <hotdp_pre> hehe did see you walk :-) and it was not in a line
Nov 21 13:27:40 <Bmyers> no even close to a line..
Nov 21 13:28:19 <Bmyers> not a normal thing for me to do. i do that like once a year..
Nov 21 13:28:27 <hotdp_pre> ohhh
Nov 21 13:28:39 <hotdp_pre> then it was good it was with ud :-)
Nov 21 13:28:43 <hotdp_pre> us*
Nov 21 13:28:44 <Bmyers> so you are one of the lucky few to see bmyers ripped....
Nov 21 13:29:42 <hotdp_pre> hehehe
Nov 21 13:30:15 <Bmyers> so are you going to be able to make that pre2 live with some carrier back home?
Nov 21 13:32:06 <hotdp_pre> i really hope so
Nov 21 13:32:28 <hotdp_pre> i am packing right now at the hotel.. going out for gifts :-(
Nov 21 13:32:51 <Bmyers> if you guys have time, take a bus tour of the city b4 u go
Nov 21 13:36:32 <hotdp_pre> don't think there will be time.. hard to find gifts
Nov 21 13:37:57 <Bmyers> heading over to 5th ave ? bring lots of cash to spend... get rid of the rest of that boring looking america money..
Nov 21 13:38:42 <hotdp_pre> hehe
Nov 21 13:39:43 <Bmyers> gifts for the wife?
Nov 21 13:40:54 <hotdp_pre> yer
Nov 21 13:41:01 <hotdp_pre> both me and peter
Nov 21 13:42:24 <hotdp_pre> what will you do with your pre 2?
Nov 21 13:42:54 <Bmyers> I read about rwitby and his franken-pre
Nov 21 13:43:02 <Bmyers> not sure if i want to do that...
Nov 21 13:43:33 <Bmyers> i can probably find a pay-as-you-go carrier with a sim card
Nov 21 13:44:06 <Bmyers> it wouldnt matter much to me but it would be nice to have app-cat access so I can dl my own apps
Nov 21 13:44:17 <rick_pre> att go phone sim
Nov 21 13:44:49 <hotdp_pre> hmm
Nov 21 13:45:22 <Bmyers> att coverage where i live is so-so but thats an option i suppose
Nov 21 13:45:39 <rick_pre> $3 day plan only charges on days actually  used.
Nov 21 13:46:49 <rick_pre> I forget the data limit
Nov 21 13:53:36 <hotdp_pre> going out. bb in some days
Nov 21 13:54:08 <Bmyers> you two have a good trip home
Nov 21 13:57:16 <hotdp_pre> thanks
Nov 21 14:08:37 <haeffb> darn, missed hotdp!!!!!
Nov 21 14:09:02 <Bmyers> yup. gotta go but gifts for the wife
Nov 21 14:09:12 <haeffb> Bmyers: had a fantastic weekend - it was a pleasure.
Nov 21 14:09:25 <haeffb> I gotta go but gifts as well.
Nov 21 14:09:30 <Bmyers> i'm sure
Nov 21 14:09:45 <haeffb> my f'in head hurts this morning, though.
Nov 21 14:09:52 <Bmyers> yes. had a great time. so nice to meet you also
Nov 21 14:10:02 <Bmyers> i'm sure.
Nov 21 14:10:15 <haeffb> Hit McSorley's after Lucky Strikes
Nov 21 14:10:16 <Bmyers> lucky strikes
Nov 21 14:10:22 <Bmyers> OH!!!
Nov 21 14:10:28 <haeffb> and then Mr. Dennehey's again.
Nov 21 14:10:29 <Bmyers> how did u like that..
Nov 21 14:10:51 <haeffb> It was awesome.
Nov 21 14:11:05 <Bmyers> mcsorleys is a blast..
Nov 21 14:11:16 <haeffb> mugs of beer slammed down on the table by surly Irish waiters...
Nov 21 14:11:45 <haeffb> think it was lucky I was wearin' the green shirt yesterday.
Nov 21 14:11:52 <Bmyers> so you feel like the bowling ball or the pin this morning?
Nov 21 14:12:32 <haeffb> got back here at 4am
Nov 21 14:12:54 <haeffb> It's too early to tell which I feel like yet. Maybe both.
Nov 21 14:13:03 <Bmyers> oh man.. you and hotdp and peter?
Nov 21 14:13:43 <haeffb> nah...couple of other guys...who shall remain nameless.
Nov 21 14:14:07 <Bmyers> cause you cant exactly remember or for legal purposes "nameless"?
Nov 21 14:16:04 <haeffb> "names have been changed to protect the innocent..."
Nov 21 14:16:31 <Bmyers> no such thing as "the innocent" at 3am in NYC
Nov 21 15:27:26 <dawm> hrm it appears my revenue payment was wrong
Nov 21 15:28:21 <dawm> as it doesnt match the report
Nov 21 15:37:16 * oil_pre waits for flight home
Nov 21 15:38:14 <Bmyers> hey oil
Nov 21 15:38:38 * oil_pre knows the face with that name!
Nov 21 15:38:42 <renegaid> Did everyone get a pre 2
Nov 21 15:38:49 <oil_pre> yes
Nov 21 15:38:59 <Bmyers> opra style raffle
Nov 21 15:39:15 <oil_pre> haha
Nov 21 15:39:26 <Bmyers> the rooms reaction was very close to the opra style crowd reaction
Nov 21 15:39:30 <oil_pre> 'look under your seats!'
Nov 21 15:40:13 <renegaid> Pre 2 only works on art and T-Mobile right? I would sell it
Nov 21 15:40:25 <renegaid> Att
Nov 21 15:40:29 <oil_pre> when I confirmed my ticket, it's all 'youre in the bitch seat'
Nov 21 15:40:43 <oil_pre> and I'm all 'no thanks'
Nov 21 15:41:13 <Bmyers> o!
Nov 21 15:43:23 <Bmyers> it seems you can have an inactive sim in there are get to the app cat via wifi?
Nov 21 15:43:53 <Bmyers> (after you active it with an active sim card)
Nov 21 15:43:54 * oil_pre has sprint
Nov 21 15:44:01 <Bmyers> yeah me too
Nov 21 15:44:14 <rwadkins> I think you need a profile to get to the app catalog.
Nov 21 15:44:15 * oil_pre doesn't need catalog access from pre2
Nov 21 15:44:16 <Bmyers> but it would be nice to have app cat access on the dev pre  2
Nov 21 15:45:06 <Bmyers> it would be handy just to see how my listing end up looking there
Nov 21 15:45:15 <oil_pre> ah
Nov 21 15:45:24 <Bmyers> the whole & br thing
Nov 21 15:45:48 <oil_pre> preware supports html :)
Nov 21 15:46:09 <rwadkins> i put my at&t sim card in the pre2 and couldn't get to the app catalog until I created a new profile.
Nov 21 15:46:10 <Bmyers> :) yes... preware is the shizzle in that respect..
Nov 21 15:46:17 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 21 15:46:34 <renegaid> My pre is not activated and the app catalog still works
Nov 21 15:47:38 <Bmyers> all i get right now in app cat on pre2 is the "you're getting sleepy" spinner
Nov 21 15:47:48 <rwadkins> unfortunately, when I used my existing account, it installed all my apps, and when it was done, the device would work for about a minute then freeze up.  think it doesn't like one or more of my apps
Nov 21 15:48:27 <Bmyers> rwadkins: was that an active sim you put in there?
Nov 21 15:48:32 <rwadkins> yup
Nov 21 15:48:48 <Bmyers> can i borrow it for a minute? ;)
Nov 21 15:49:01 <rwadkins> hehehehe.
Nov 21 15:49:07 <Bmyers> gonna have to ask some friends if they have att
Nov 21 15:49:09 <rwadkins> coulda yesterday, i think.
Nov 21 15:50:04 <Bmyers> yeah i wasnt paying attention, just stuffed it in my bag and went to the next track
Nov 21 15:50:48 <Bmyers> i did manage to have rwhitby install preware on it for me when i sitting next to him.
Nov 21 15:51:09 <Bmyers> kinda dorky but i was honored to have him install preware for me..
Nov 21 15:51:16 <rwadkins> Yeah, I'm waiting to get the new sdk so I can check it out on the insides.
Nov 21 15:51:39 <Bmyers> you in early access?
Nov 21 15:51:54 <rwadkins> sent the email last night.
Nov 21 15:52:49 <Bmyers> yeah that might be in the queue for a bit until the palm folks recover from the, um, "jet lag"
Nov 21 15:53:17 <rwadkins> I'd have done it at the conference, but the wifi was really getting on my nerves
Nov 21 15:53:32 <Bmyers> wifi sucked there
Nov 21 15:54:13 <Bmyers> i could have had 4g but that building was led lined or something
Nov 21 15:54:18 <oil_pre> what wifi?
Nov 21 15:54:26 <oil_pre> there was wifi?
Nov 21 15:54:26 <oil_pre> haha
Nov 21 15:54:40 <Bmyers> whatfi
Nov 21 15:55:09 <rwadkins> what do you expect from an HP event?  decent networking?
Nov 21 15:55:09 <Bmyers> i was all ready to blame oil for the lack on connectivity there..
Nov 21 15:55:14 <oil_pre> webos2.0 autocorrects wifi to wife
Nov 21 15:55:43 <haeffb> morn' oil_pre
Nov 21 15:55:57 <Bmyers> yeah autocorrect on the evo usually just makes me look retarded
Nov 21 15:56:07 <oil_pre> hey haeffb
Nov 21 15:56:29 <haeffb> Bmyers: it's not the autocorrect....
Nov 21 15:56:39 <Bmyers> not always, but sometimes...
Nov 21 15:56:40 <haeffb> "bazinga!"
Nov 21 15:56:40 * oil_pre is not getting wifi on the way home :(
Nov 21 15:56:45 <oil_pre> haha
Nov 21 15:57:06 * haeffb hopes he can sleep on the plane
Nov 21 15:57:14 <Bmyers> i bet..
Nov 21 15:57:25 * oil_pre too
Nov 21 15:57:46 <oil_pre> at least I upgraded to the extra-legroom seat
Nov 21 15:57:55 <oil_pre> that will make it better
Nov 21 15:57:58 <Bmyers> planning on some serious couch football relaxing today
Nov 21 15:57:59 <haeffb> this hotel wifi doesn't like to stream video.
Nov 21 15:58:14 <Bmyers> you trying to catch the other tracks?
Nov 21 15:58:33 <oil_pre> neither did my hotel
Nov 21 15:59:04 <Bmyers> the prolly want to get the $$ for your "video entertainment"
Nov 21 15:59:18 <oil_pre> whem you fly out haeffb?
Nov 21 15:59:43 <haeffb> 3:20
Nov 21 15:59:47 <Bmyers> (they)
Nov 21 16:00:14 <haeffb> trying to see a video of Nebraska football coach assaulting a cameraman after a game yesterday...
Nov 21 16:00:15 <oil_pre> so you got a bunch of time still
Nov 21 16:00:26 <oil_pre> haha
Nov 21 16:01:03 <Bmyers> yikes..
Nov 21 16:01:04 <haeffb> interestingly, oil_pre is back to looking like I imagined him to be before the weekend...
Nov 21 16:01:29 * oil_pre is trying to download all the podcasts he missed out on before the flight
Nov 21 16:01:35 <oil_pre> haeffb: haha
Nov 21 16:01:43 <Bmyers> faces i remember . what his name is? no idea.. oil...
Nov 21 16:02:07 * oil_pre had to introduce himself as oil
Nov 21 16:02:36 <haeffb> http://v4.texags.com/Stories/767
Nov 21 16:03:52 <Bmyers> what the heck?
Nov 21 16:04:13 * oil_pre gets tmc trying to open it :/
Nov 21 16:05:50 <haeffb> I don't know, I can't watch it.
Nov 21 16:06:31 <Bmyers> coach just point over at the camera guy and winds up
Nov 21 16:06:52 <Bmyers> next thing you're looking at is out of focus sky and lights
Nov 21 16:07:34 <Bmyers> guess he didnt want to be on camera
Nov 21 16:08:06 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 21 16:08:56 <Bmyers> hope the camera was ok. those are expensive
Nov 21 16:10:23 <haeffb> apparently he'd just been "chastising" some elderly gentleman on the field, turned and saw the camera pointing at him. Thought the "chastisement" had been caught on camer and tried to take the camera away.
Nov 21 16:10:40 <haeffb> truly bizarre behavior
Nov 21 16:11:20 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 21 16:11:27 <Bmyers> psycho
Nov 21 16:12:17 <Bmyers> if you dont want to be on camera looking like a nut-ball, dont assault the camera guy might be a good start
Nov 21 16:19:17 <haeffb> here's another tip: don't kick the ref even if you're getting punched in the nutz  http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/Norga_Rotem/texags/?action=view&current=VID00002-20101120-2044.mp4
Nov 21 16:23:12 <Bmyers> and thats what makes america football better than soccer any day
Nov 21 16:27:05 <Deihmos> american football better than world football? nah
Nov 21 16:30:34 * haeffb can now confirm that Agenda doesn't work on a device with webOS 2.0.
Nov 21 16:30:51 <Bmyers> sugardave_pre: !!!!!!
Nov 21 16:30:56 <sugardave_pre> finally the shuttle is here
Nov 21 16:31:00 <haeffb> sugardave_pre!!!!!!!
Nov 21 16:31:13 <sugardave_pre> BMYERS
Nov 21 16:31:24 <sugardave_pre> HAEFFB
Nov 21 16:31:56 <Bmyers> from the length of your shuttle trip it sounds like you can skip the NYC bus tour, you'll get a free one..
Nov 21 16:32:10 <sugardave_pre> got preware at the bowling alley last night
Nov 21 16:32:23 <sugardave_pre> no kidding
Nov 21 16:33:21 <Bmyers> rod install preware for ya?
Nov 21 16:33:47 <haeffb> can you put mobile hotspot on UMTS pre2?
Nov 21 16:34:36 <sugardave_pre> yeah, rod installed it in about 15 seconds
Nov 21 16:35:39 <Bmyers> sugardave_pre: wasn't it kinda cool to have Rod install that for you? maybe it's just me being dorky.. idk
Nov 21 16:35:53 <sugardave_pre> haven't ever messed with mobile hotspot
Nov 21 16:36:43 <sugardave_pre> bmyers: that was cool, but what was cooler is that he's using Real Time :D
Nov 21 16:37:35 <wastrel> hi
Nov 21 16:38:10 <sugardave_pre> hello
Nov 21 16:39:39 <sugardave_pre> omg the christmas music
Nov 21 16:40:07 <rwadkins> hmmm..pre2 just offered to add about.com to searches.
Nov 21 16:40:18 <sugardave_pre> there's a rule at my house...no christmas music until black friday
Nov 21 16:42:39 <sugardave_pre> hoping for wifi on the plane home so I can put it through its paces
Nov 21 16:44:59 * haeffb closing out to pack for the trip home. See youze guyz later.
Nov 21 16:46:34 <Bmyers> sugardave_pre: christmas is already in nyc
Nov 21 16:49:20 <sugardave_pre> I only saw a couple of trees
Nov 21 16:50:39 <Bmyers> there's a 70' tall one at 30 rock , came from up around my way ..
Nov 21 16:51:53 <sugardave_pre> the boonies
Nov 21 16:52:16 <Bmyers> yup. apple knockers they call us if you're from the city
Nov 21 16:52:50 <sugardave_pre> haha
Nov 21 16:53:15 <rwadkins> i've never called anyone an apple knocker.  tho, I may start
Nov 21 16:53:29 <sugardave_pre> this driver is insane
Nov 21 16:53:31 <Bmyers> where u at rwadkins  ?
Nov 21 16:53:39 <rwadkins> midtown manhattyan
Nov 21 16:53:54 <Bmyers> the 360i guy?
Nov 21 16:54:25 <rwadkins> was that for me, or sugardave_pre's driver?
Nov 21 16:54:32 <Bmyers> u
Nov 21 16:54:42 <rwadkins> no, don't know what 360i is :)
Nov 21 16:54:57 <Bmyers> yeah then you must not be him... nm
Nov 21 16:55:24 <Bmyers> i dont think i could hack living in the city
Nov 21 16:55:59 <Bmyers> it'd be ok if like, 6-7 million ppl moved out of there first..
Nov 21 16:56:03 <rwadkins> I don't think I could hack not living in the city.
Nov 21 16:56:19 <Bmyers> touche'
Nov 21 16:56:44 <sugardave_pre> but, you could probably live hacking in the city
Nov 21 16:57:00 <rwadkins> :)
Nov 21 16:58:02 <Bmyers> we still have access to hard-rolls, good pizza by the slice, and waitresses in short skirts that little kids should NEVER see..
Nov 21 16:58:13 <Bmyers> so it's not all bad living up here
Nov 21 16:58:27 <rwadkins> but you know what they say about ny bagles...
Nov 21 16:58:40 <rwadkins> it's the water that makes them special
Nov 21 16:58:44 <sugardave_pre> what about salt?
Nov 21 16:58:49 <Bmyers> yeah. city water
Nov 21 16:59:19 <Bmyers> i sail in the hudson rivier, i dont drink it..
Nov 21 16:59:35 <sugardave_pre> haha
Nov 21 16:59:36 <rwadkins> :)
Nov 21 17:02:25 <Bmyers> hows your tour of nyc going sugardave_pre ?
Nov 21 17:02:48 <Bmyers> seeing all the great hotels of manhattan ?
Nov 21 17:03:31 <sugardave_pre> I actually was next-to-last...so we are approaching terminals right now
Nov 21 17:04:18 <sugardave_pre> I don't know what terminal for me...but I have hours to burn
Nov 21 17:05:27 <rwadkins> you know, I don't know why they made exposition for touchstone only.  why couldn't it always be available when you're charging?
Nov 21 17:08:27 <sugardave_pre> I sense a patch
Nov 21 17:09:19 <Bmyers> why couldn't it be available now at all?
Nov 21 17:10:05 <rwadkins> heh, i'm sure there's a "good" reason for that.
Nov 21 17:10:40 <Bmyers> that was one thing i really wanted to check out
Nov 21 17:11:14 <Bmyers> and then there it was in the devday slide.. "coming soon to a touchstone near you
Nov 21 17:12:05 <MetaView> good evening
Nov 21 17:15:01 <rwadkins> precentral clued us in to it's lack during the phase 1 of web os 2 release.
Nov 21 17:15:24 <Bmyers> $L("Greetings") MetaView
Nov 21 17:19:48 <Bmyers> rwadkins: you've written some apps?
Nov 21 17:20:28 <codeslaw> hiyoooooo
Nov 21 17:20:31 <rwadkins> not a one.  picked up the sdk, looked at it, then put it back down to look at later.   have a few ideas, but not written any coede.
Nov 21 17:20:42 <codeslaw> code is overrated
Nov 21 17:20:58 <codeslaw> i prefer to imagine my apps full completed, and leave it at that
Nov 21 17:21:35 <rwadkins> codeslaw: when nanites are developed and implanted in my brain. that'll be a good idea.
Nov 21 17:23:46 <Bmyers> it's not code, it's just html, css and JS
Nov 21 17:24:16 <rwadkins> Bmyers: you and i use the word "code" differently
Nov 21 17:24:33 <rwadkins> I take javascript seriously, so it's as much code as any other language.
Nov 21 17:25:25 <Bmyers> what other javascript stuff do you do?
Nov 21 17:25:52 <rwadkins> I do web developmentfor my company.  lots of ui stuff using javascript.
Nov 21 17:26:58 <rwadkins> crockford made me a believer in JS
Nov 21 17:27:31 <Bmyers> with 2 lines of code you can make any html/css/js right into a webos app
Nov 21 17:27:49 <Bmyers> no mojo or sdk needed
Nov 21 17:28:38 <rwadkins> that statement is only true if the app is suited for a small screen.  I inherited some unfortunate design in our web apps
Nov 21 17:29:18 <rwadkins> im in the process of developing an api.  but it's slow going
Nov 21 17:35:24 <Bmyers> api for what site?
Nov 21 17:35:55 <rwadkins> our product's site.  not for public consumption :)
Nov 21 17:36:25 <rwadkins> s/site/sites/ <--- part of the unfrotunate design
Nov 21 18:03:32 <haeffb> Live from Delta Terminal Gate 2 at LaGuardia...it's haeffb!
Nov 21 18:05:49 <Bmyers> on your pre2?
Nov 21 18:07:03 <sugardave_pre> not yet...about to check something with it
Nov 21 18:07:40 <sugardave_pre> somebody was kind enough to put up an ap named 'liksys'
Nov 21 18:07:44 <haeffb> Pre2 is plugged in & charging. No wifi in LaGuardia. Boo.
Nov 21 18:08:20 <sugardave_pre> looking for power, myself
Nov 21 18:08:42 <haeffb> I'm sitting next to a six outlet strip. Got two of 'em draining.
Nov 21 18:09:17 <haeffb> where u at sugardave_pre ?
Nov 21 18:10:08 <sugardave_pre> I'm @ jfk
Nov 21 18:11:58 <sugardave_pre> bah, 'liksys' sucks
Nov 21 18:12:48 <Bmyers> prolly just someone sniff'n for passwords
Nov 21 18:13:28 <sugardave_pre> yeah, but you'd think they would let traffic pass through
Nov 21 18:13:36 <sugardave_pre> cracker fail
Nov 21 18:14:23 <sugardave_pre> but this phone is working...interesting
Nov 21 18:17:18 <gregavola> Hello - anyone in here?
Nov 21 18:20:02 <MetaView> well, yes
Nov 21 18:21:15 <sugardave_pre> maybe
Nov 21 18:21:44 <MetaView> o yes   o no   o maybe
Nov 21 18:21:49 <sugardave_pre> it's a wee bit nipply out here today
Nov 21 18:23:31 <haeffb> nah. it's great weather.
Nov 21 18:23:46 <gregavola> I'm looking for some help bypassing activation on a developer device
Nov 21 18:24:33 <gregavola> Whenever I try to run the devicetool.jar
Nov 21 18:24:36 <gregavola> I get Found device: roadrunner-bootie
Nov 21 18:24:36 <gregavola> Error: missing resource images/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage
Nov 21 18:24:52 <sugardave_pre> heh, the cigarette snuffing box appears to be on fire
Nov 21 18:25:54 <gregavola> Any suggestions?
Nov 21 18:27:25 <MetaView> call from cmd
Nov 21 18:27:39 <MetaView> cd into the dir, just some thoughts
Nov 21 18:29:50 <gregavola> i def don't have that file - i only downladed the devicetool.jar
Nov 21 18:29:54 <gregavola> is it packed in there
Nov 21 18:30:08 <sugardave_pre> too many cards?!  wtf
Nov 21 18:31:38 <MetaView> right, is packed in there
Nov 21 18:31:50 <MetaView> that's why you should cd in the same dir
Nov 21 18:33:16 <gregavola> i am in the same dir
Nov 21 18:33:24 <gregavola> so i have it in the DOWNLOADS folder
Nov 21 18:33:27 <gregavola> i run the command
Nov 21 18:33:40 <MetaView> java -jar ?
Nov 21 18:33:43 <gregavola> yes
Nov 21 18:34:40 <MetaView> windows?
Nov 21 18:34:45 <gregavola> mac
Nov 21 18:34:46 <gregavola> http://cl.ly/3G3H1p3b1C1l340c462Z
Nov 21 18:34:47 <sugardave_pre> power located
Nov 21 18:35:17 <MetaView> strange
Nov 21 18:35:31 <MetaView> I would try to unpack this folder and put next to the jar
Nov 21 18:35:42 <MetaView> maybe it will find it then
Nov 21 18:35:53 <gregavola> unpack what folder?
Nov 21 18:36:32 <MetaView> images
Nov 21 18:36:40 <haeffb> sugardave_pre: on the 2?
Nov 21 18:36:55 <sugardave_pre> no
Nov 21 18:37:00 <haeffb> oh, good
Nov 21 18:37:04 <gregavola> When I unpack devicetool
Nov 21 18:37:08 <gregavola> I get this structure
Nov 21 18:37:08 <gregavola> http://cl.ly/0l0K1E3h0E233Q141a2q
Nov 21 18:37:09 <sugardave_pre> lol
Nov 21 18:37:10 <gregavola> no images
Nov 21 18:38:36 <haeffb> Supported bluetooth profiles: HFP/HSP, A2DP, PBAP, PAN, AVRCP, OPP, SPP, HID
Nov 21 18:38:43 <haeffb> whatever that means.
Nov 21 18:39:02 <MetaView> well, I don't know
Nov 21 18:39:24 <sugardave_pre> pan = personal area network, I think
Nov 21 18:39:41 <haeffb> a2dp is stereo
Nov 21 18:39:43 <haeffb> I think
Nov 21 18:39:50 <halfhalo> yupyup
Nov 21 18:39:54 <sugardave_pre> hid = _____ input device
Nov 21 18:40:03 <halfhalo> There is a SINGLE main reason I like the epic 4g right now...
Nov 21 18:40:05 <MetaView> spp: serial
Nov 21 18:40:10 <halfhalo> and THAT is hulu on the go
Nov 21 18:40:12 <MetaView> hid: human interface
Nov 21 18:40:23 <sugardave_pre> spp, that's the good shit
Nov 21 18:40:28 <MetaView> yes
Nov 21 18:40:35 <haeffb> damn, I want this phone on sprint
Nov 21 18:40:39 <MetaView> there is a game controller for spp
Nov 21 18:40:55 <sugardave_pre> nice
Nov 21 18:46:48 <sugardave_pre> free sprint mifi 3 sounds promising, but I think the conference broke my network
Nov 21 18:47:04 <halfhalo> hah
Nov 21 18:47:09 <haeffb> dang. Sprint 3g aircard gets 2.19MB/s DL at LaGuardia.
Nov 21 18:47:31 <haeffb> 0.73 up
Nov 21 18:47:54 <kesne> hey all!
Nov 21 18:47:54 <sugardave_pre> nice
Nov 21 18:48:19 <sugardave_pre> hi
Nov 21 18:56:04 <haeffb> hey kense
Nov 21 18:56:26 <haeffb> are dev day videos up anywhere?
Nov 21 18:58:03 <halfhalo> they were on youtube about 2 hours after they were taped
Nov 21 18:59:04 <kesne> haeffb: It's kesne, not kense :P
Nov 21 18:59:16 <halfhalo> liar kense
Nov 21 18:59:18 <halfhalo> :p
Nov 21 18:59:35 <kense> You're right!
Nov 21 18:59:56 * sugardave_pre blames oil and reboots.
Nov 21 19:01:00 <halfhalo> ahaha
Nov 21 19:04:34 <haeffb> wooo! haeffb on youtube! http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/11/dev-day-2010-video11-webos-developer-day-lightning-rounds/
Nov 21 19:10:01 <Bmyers> me too :) (my voice anyway)
Nov 21 19:12:15 <haeffb> woo!
Nov 21 19:12:27 <haeffb> watching the optimizing presentation now.
Nov 21 19:12:46 <sugardave_pre> tang
Nov 21 19:12:52 <sugardave_pre> oh
Nov 21 19:12:54 <kesne> haeffb: When are you?
Nov 21 19:17:58 <haeffb> LaGuardia
Nov 21 19:18:14 <haeffb> waiting to fly back home from webOSdev
Nov 21 19:22:02 <sugardave_pre> I guess I should have asked the girl 'how' when she told me to wipe the pre2 before getting service on it
Nov 21 19:23:58 <haeffb> device info / reset options ?
Nov 21 19:25:03 <haeffb> check webos-internals
Nov 21 19:27:13 <kesne> haeffb: Are you Brian?
Nov 21 19:27:24 <haeffb> yep
Nov 21 19:27:59 <kesne> Hmm
Nov 21 19:27:59 <kesne> You seem cool
Nov 21 19:29:11 <haeffb> Oh, I am cool. Just ask me.
Nov 21 19:30:10 <haeffb> but I was sweatin' yesterday.
Nov 21 19:30:11 <kesne> Hehe
Nov 21 19:30:11 <Bmyers> meh
Nov 21 19:32:31 <kesne> So Enyo...
Nov 21 19:32:33 <kesne> Good or bad?
Nov 21 19:32:41 <sugardave_pre> it could have been worse
Nov 21 19:32:49 <halfhalo> thats what she said
Nov 21 19:33:00 <sugardave_pre> enyo === fucking awesome
Nov 21 19:33:09 <kesne> heh
Nov 21 19:33:21 <kesne> I'm still deciding if I like it
Nov 21 19:33:52 <sugardave_pre> what's not to like?
Nov 21 19:34:05 <halfhalo> the drugs that goes with it
Nov 21 19:34:09 <dohtem> is the video of the Enyo unveiling online yet?
Nov 21 19:34:29 <sugardave_pre> idk
Nov 21 19:34:42 <kesne> yeah it is
Nov 21 19:34:46 <kesne> Go you youtube.com/palm
Nov 21 19:34:50 <kesne> And look under uploads
Nov 21 19:35:23 <Robi_> first look?
Nov 21 19:35:53 <Robi_> http://www.youtube.com/palm#p/u/2/nsZX2dJW5Ss
Nov 21 19:39:01 <haeffb> easy access to all dev day videos: http://www.webosroundup.com/
Nov 21 19:40:41 <haeffb> so, flight in an hour. Gonna get a samwich & drink and pack up. See y'all in Missouri.
Nov 21 19:40:54 <haeffb> safe travels, sugardave_pre
Nov 21 19:41:02 <Bmyers> njoy, l8r haeffb  !!
Nov 21 19:41:13 <Bmyers> screw him then..
Nov 21 19:41:27 <Bmyers> :)
Nov 21 19:46:43 <kesne> Who else here went to dev day?
Nov 21 19:48:08 <Bmyers> i did
Nov 21 19:50:11 <kesne> Bmyers: How was it for you?
Nov 21 19:50:41 <Bmyers> pretty cool. great venue
Nov 21 19:51:05 <kesne> Yeah I've heard
Nov 21 19:51:10 <kesne> Wifi problems of course though
Nov 21 19:51:13 <Bmyers> didnt have to travel far. which was really good for me
Nov 21 19:51:21 <rwadkins> today I discovered something new about the pre2
Nov 21 19:51:24 <kesne> I really wish I could have gone
Nov 21 19:51:25 <Bmyers> wifi was VERY spotty
Nov 21 19:51:31 <kesne> rwadkins: What is that?
Nov 21 19:51:40 <rwadkins> ghd polarization on the screen is different.
Nov 21 19:51:48 <rwadkins> s/ghd/the/
Nov 21 19:52:19 <kesne> how does that matter (real question, not trying to sound like a jerk, I just have no idea)
Nov 21 19:52:31 <rwadkins> with my sunglasses on, I can see the screen completely clearly in portrait and not at all in landscape.  where the pre and pre plus had dark whorls in both views.
Nov 21 19:52:52 <Bmyers> i thought thats what you meant.. i'll check it out
Nov 21 19:52:53 <kesne> Maybe just the glass?
Nov 21 19:53:02 <kesne> I need a Palm Pre 2...
Nov 21 19:53:15 <Bmyers> could have had 1
Nov 21 19:53:19 <summatusmentis> the biggest thing about enyo that sounds cool to me is that there's no required app model
Nov 21 19:53:21 <rwadkins> the polarization is applied to the glass, yeah
Nov 21 19:54:07 <kesne> rwadkins: Why is it good/bad though?
Nov 21 19:54:10 <kesne> Or is it just different?
Nov 21 19:54:15 <kesne> Does it matter?
Nov 21 19:54:44 <rwadkins> well, it was hard to see the screen with my polarized sunglasses on before.  now it's just impossible to see in landscape mode.
Nov 21 19:57:57 <summatusmentis> kesne: the idea of scenes is sorta weird to me, but I don't come from a web background
Nov 21 20:02:14 <kesne> summatusmentis: What do you mean?
Nov 21 20:03:25 <summatusmentis> kesne: the idea of pushing and popping scenes, and how those scenes would interact with one another, is not something I'm used to
Nov 21 20:04:03 <summatusmentis> mostly what I'm trying to say is that enyo will make the learning curve much less steep for those of us who have no web background at all
Nov 21 20:04:51 <rwadkins> actually, scenes aren't a construct of web programming.  they're analagous to windows in other gui's.   but most programming languages/os' abstract window managers from you.
Nov 21 20:06:04 <kesne> I like scenes personally
Nov 21 20:06:13 <kesne> It helps me organize my thinking
Nov 21 20:06:16 <kesne> But that's just me
Nov 21 20:08:32 <torchie> do we
Nov 21 20:08:36 <torchie> do we kill them with fire
Nov 21 20:11:37 <summatusmentis> rwadkins: you don't normally push/pop windows in other gui's. At least, not in any of the gui stuff I've done
Nov 21 20:12:36 <rwadkins> yeah, window's are less modal in other gui's, and the OS' handle the window management for you.  but the analagy holds.  create a new conntainer and let me put things in it.
Nov 21 20:13:06 <rwadkins> in a non modal gui, "stacking" windows doesn't make sense.
Nov 21 20:13:21 <rwadkins> but also doesn't give access to global events like the back event.
Nov 21 20:14:11 <Bmyers> have a good flight sugardave_pre . see u in austin
Nov 21 20:14:46 <sugardave_pre> I'll see what I can do :)
Nov 21 20:15:02 <summatusmentis> rwadkins: granted. It's just sort of a weird model to get used to
Nov 21 20:15:29 <rwadkins> with windows you create them, show and hide and destroy them.  sameroom, different lights.
Nov 21 20:16:22 <summatusmentis> right.
Nov 21 20:16:26 <rwadkins> and if you need to interract with the window, you store a reference to it in a variable (which could very well be an array, if that mattered)
Nov 21 20:22:18 <gregavola> anyone know where i can d/l this file: images/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage
Nov 21 20:24:00 <sugardave_pre> blah, boarding delayed
Nov 21 20:24:17 <sugardave_pre> they have to 'clean' the cabin
Nov 21 20:24:24 <summatusmentis> sure they do
Nov 21 20:25:54 <mbarvian> is there a way to hide the notification tray?
Nov 21 20:26:03 <mbarvian> this is really frustrating
Nov 21 20:26:29 <mbarvian> I don't want the app to be full-screen though, I just want it to hide the notification tray at the bottom
Nov 21 20:26:44 <mbarvian> does anyone here know if this is possible? :)
Nov 21 20:28:39 <rolsworth> They should allow u to minimize an app to the notification tray
Nov 21 20:29:00 <rwadkins> some apps do, rolsworth
Nov 21 20:29:24 <rwadkins> music player remix. neato and the quick settings app.
Nov 21 20:32:58 <rolsworth> I don't think any of those are in the catalog. How do u minimize them
Nov 21 20:33:53 <rwadkins> neato sorta does it by iteself.  You can close it's card after it's started and it's tray app runs.  music remix and the other app have buttons you click to minimize them.
Nov 21 20:34:32 <mbarvian> so is that a no?
Nov 21 20:35:23 <rwadkins> mbarvian: I assume so.  tho, someone might know and just not be paying attention.
Nov 21 20:35:41 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 21 20:35:52 <mbarvian> DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW?
Nov 21 20:40:04 <sugardave_pre> aww jeez come on already...want to go home
Nov 21 20:40:39 <halfhalo> stuck at the airport?
Nov 21 20:41:22 <sugardave_pre> yeah, supposed to have boarded 20 mins ago
Nov 21 20:41:43 <sugardave_pre> but we have a dirty, dirty plane
Nov 21 20:48:24 <sugardave_pre> holy shit...it's like retarded monkeys are running this boarding procedure
Nov 21 20:49:11 <summatusmentis> they call them "airline employees"
Nov 21 20:49:20 <sugardave_pre> they already did first class...then a long time passed and all the perked frequent flyers got called
Nov 21 20:49:40 <sugardave_pre> now we're delaying boarding...again
Nov 21 20:49:52 <torchie> test
Nov 21 20:50:27 <sugardave_pre> but, I'm pleased to announce we do have the plane's captain present
Nov 21 20:50:35 <sugardave_pre> anybody seen torchie?
Nov 21 20:50:46 <torchie> :D
Nov 21 20:51:03 <sugardave_pre> ;)
Nov 21 20:56:38 <sugardave_pre> is wirc supposed to disco when you make/take a call?
Nov 21 20:56:55 <summatusmentis> sugardave_pre: are you on cdma?
Nov 21 20:57:07 <halfhalo> it does on sprint/vzw
Nov 21 20:57:09 <sugardave_pre> yeah
Nov 21 20:57:12 <sugardave_pre> oh
Nov 21 20:57:26 <SineOt> Yeah, CDMA doesn't do voice/data at the same time
Nov 21 20:58:18 <kesne> Stupid CDMA
Nov 21 20:58:32 <kesne> That's why I'm on verizon
Nov 21 20:58:36 <kesne> heh
Nov 21 20:59:08 <sugardave_pre> that's weird because I rolled to 1x at some point and it said that I would be unable to do voice and data concurrently...like Ev would do it
Nov 21 21:00:49 <SineOt> with Ev you can be using data and still get a call... 1x basically kicks you off the voice network entirely
Nov 21 21:01:56 <sugardave_pre> interesting
Nov 21 21:02:57 <summatusmentis> but you'll get discon'd when you take the call
Nov 21 21:02:59 <summatusmentis> iirc
Nov 21 21:03:02 <sugardave_pre> boarding started back up...maybe we'll finish this time
Nov 21 21:03:21 <SineOt> yeah
Nov 21 21:03:28 <sugardave_pre> yeah, seems that way
Nov 21 21:03:34 <SineOt> with Ev you can get notified of a call and when you take it, it'll DC you
Nov 21 21:03:41 <SineOt> with 1x you won't even get notified, so it won't even ring
Nov 21 21:03:51 <sugardave_pre> see y'all later
Nov 21 21:11:16 <SineOt> Anyone received their developer phones yet?
Nov 21 21:12:51 <kesne> SineOt: Palm Pre Plus ones?
Nov 21 21:13:28 <kesne> SineOt: From Palm? The free ones?
Nov 21 21:13:39 <gregavola> Yeah
Nov 21 21:13:39 <SineOt> Yeah, those ones
Nov 21 21:13:44 <gregavola> I got mine at dev day
Nov 21 21:13:45 <kesne> I have
Nov 21 21:13:49 <gregavola> but now its broken
Nov 21 21:13:54 <kesne> I got mine a few weeks ago
Nov 21 21:14:06 <kesne> Another guy in the company still hasn't gotten his
Nov 21 21:14:16 <rwadkins> broken already?
Nov 21 21:14:19 <SineOt> gregavola: I hope it wasn't the "ended yesterday" dev days that you got it D:
Nov 21 21:14:35 <gregavola> yup it was
Nov 21 21:14:44 <gregavola> took it out the box
Nov 21 21:14:51 <gregavola> and it keeps asking for sim card
Nov 21 21:14:52 <gregavola> on load
Nov 21 21:15:01 <summatusmentis> that's not broken
Nov 21 21:15:01 <kesne> That's not broken....
Nov 21 21:15:07 <gregavola> sorry - its bricked
Nov 21 21:15:17 <kesne> Why do you say that?
Nov 21 21:15:20 <kesne> Metadoctor?
Nov 21 21:15:29 <kesne> Regular doctor?
Nov 21 21:15:33 <gregavola> because i can't get it to go past the "Looking for Sim Doc"
Nov 21 21:15:38 <gregavola> SIM Card*"
Nov 21 21:15:51 <kesne> Or meta doctor
Nov 21 21:15:52 <kesne> Did you try to doctor it?
Nov 21 21:15:55 <wastrel> hi
Nov 21 21:15:58 <rwadkins> i assume you haven't put a sim card in it?
Nov 21 21:16:01 <kesne> or use palms dev phone tool?
Nov 21 21:16:05 <wastrel> does pre 2 have lte
Nov 21 21:16:12 <kesne> wastrel: No
Nov 21 21:16:24 <gregavola> Where is palm's dev phone tool?
Nov 21 21:16:36 <gregavola> I tried to doctor it - but no avail - still can't past it
Nov 21 21:16:36 <summatusmentis> there are no current phones that have LTE, iirc
Nov 21 21:16:48 <kesne> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051&Itemid=21
Nov 21 21:16:57 <wastrel> summatusmentis: verizon is rolling out lte in december
Nov 21 21:16:57 <gregavola> tried that
Nov 21 21:17:03 <kesne> gregavola: Well have you used MetaDoctor?
Nov 21 21:17:09 <kesne> Metadoctor should solve your problems
Nov 21 21:17:12 <summatusmentis> wastrel: doesn't mean any current phones have lte
Nov 21 21:17:12 <wastrel> summatusmentis: so presumably they're rolling out lte phones too
Nov 21 21:17:17 <gregavola> do you have link to Metadoctor?
Nov 21 21:17:30 <gregavola> i keep getting Error: missing resource images/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage
Nov 21 21:17:30 <gregavola> on the devicetool.jar thing
Nov 21 21:17:32 <kesne> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Nov 21 21:17:47 <rwadkins> do you need the new sdk to use metadoctor on pre2?
Nov 21 21:18:14 <th3f34r> has anyone put up the cash for the unlocked pre2 yet?
Nov 21 21:18:16 <SineOt> rwadkins: probably not. Just need the new novacom from the 2.0 doctor
Nov 21 21:18:38 <gregavola> so using the metadoctor should fixit?
Nov 21 21:18:45 <SineOt> which you can get by extracting the SFR 2.0 doctor
Nov 21 21:19:37 <kesne> gregavola: I'd assume so
Nov 21 21:19:46 <wastrel> maybe the windows phone 7 phones will be lte
Nov 21 21:19:47 <kesne> I would hop to #webos-internals and ask though
Nov 21 21:20:06 <SineOt> they won't be lte
Nov 21 21:20:43 <wastrel> so nothing will be lte
Nov 21 21:20:58 <SineOt> you're talking about phones that aren't on Verizon right now because there's no support in WP7 for CDMA networks that they felt was strong enough to ship a device with
Nov 21 21:21:13 <SineOt> they aren't going to go and add CDMA -and- LTE at the same time P:
Nov 21 21:21:28 <SineOt> more than likely, with the roll out the first devices will be USB modems
Nov 21 21:21:38 <SineOt> I think they've already announced a few of them
Nov 21 21:22:43 <gregavola> that MetaDoctor is linux only
Nov 21 21:22:47 <gregavola> i'm on a Mac
Nov 21 21:22:58 <gregavola> I apologize for this foolish questions - im pretty much a Palm Pre Newie
Nov 21 21:22:59 <SineOt> MetaDoctor will run on a mac
Nov 21 21:23:13 <gregavola> isn't it  ashell file?
Nov 21 21:23:49 <SineOt> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6 ;o
Nov 21 21:25:24 <mugen[bounced]> o\ hello all
Nov 21 21:28:09 <wastrel> why is it called bounced
Nov 21 21:28:44 <mugen[bounced]> cause i'm being bounced through znc
Nov 21 21:29:03 <mugen[bounced]> it just sounded better than JSpecMugen-
Nov 21 21:29:14 * mugen[bounced] shrugs
Nov 21 21:31:26 <KGF2009> Hey, guys.
Nov 21 21:31:30 <SineOt> Hey.
Nov 21 21:32:14 <KGF2009> Oh, Tibfib, you here?
Nov 21 21:36:14 <kesne> howday
Nov 21 21:36:42 * KGF2009 is stuck on app ideas.
Nov 21 21:36:50 <KGF2009> I've gone through like, 4 and all have failed.
Nov 21 21:36:51 <KGF2009> x.x
Nov 21 21:37:00 <kesne> Use Villo!
Nov 21 21:37:02 <mugen[bounced]> what do you mean gone through?
Nov 21 21:37:08 <KGF2009> I need something very simple but useful.
Nov 21 21:37:31 <KGF2009> A.K.A. tried to make it and hit  something that stopped me in my tracks for more than two days.
Nov 21 21:37:45 <SineOt> A feed of Dailyotter.org :V
Nov 21 21:38:06 <mugen[bounced]> find something that has an API that you can build on
Nov 21 21:38:13 <kesne> Villo!
Nov 21 21:38:18 <mugen[bounced]> lol
Nov 21 21:38:19 <kesne> Use Villo's online service API!
Nov 21 21:38:47 <KGF2009> What's Villo? I've got like 5 results and most aren't english.
Nov 21 21:39:02 <kesne> It's an unannounced API by me
Nov 21 21:39:13 <KGF2009> That does?
Nov 21 21:39:15 <kesne> Was shown off to devs first-hand at dev day
Nov 21 21:39:18 <kesne> It does a lot of things
Nov 21 21:40:04 <KGF2009> I hope it's simple, because I am basically brand new to this.
Nov 21 21:40:07 <kesne> Could Storage, User Profiles, Friend Systems, Push Chat, Messages, Gift (store) Framework, Lottery Framework, and a few other things
Nov 21 21:40:19 <KGF2009> Hmm.
Nov 21 21:40:20 <kesne> It's not super simple
Nov 21 21:40:26 <kesne> It's pretty simple
Nov 21 21:40:29 <kesne> It's all JSON
Nov 21 21:40:58 <SineOt> sounds pretty cool
Nov 21 21:41:11 <mugen[bounced]> kgf, you could always just build a program that has a smile face bouncing around in it
Nov 21 21:41:25 <KGF2009> I bet I couldn't even do that.
Nov 21 21:42:11 <SineOt> I'm sure you could :]
Nov 21 21:42:38 <SineOt> kesne: how do we get this Villo thing :Q
Nov 21 21:43:06 <kesne> SineOt: You ask me nicely
Nov 21 21:43:13 <kesne> It's still Beta
Nov 21 21:43:39 <SineOt> Could I try out your API, kesne? :3c
Nov 21 21:43:48 <kesne> Haha, of course
Nov 21 21:44:06 <KGF2009> I'll try it out too.
Nov 21 21:44:20 <KGF2009> First lead I've had since I started app developing.
Nov 21 21:51:57 <KGF2009> Anyone know of a way to get a bash terminal on windows without VirtualBox? I hate using command prompt.
Nov 21 21:52:23 <mugen[bounced]> cygwin?
Nov 21 21:52:29 <mugen[bounced]> vmware
Nov 21 21:52:56 <SineOt> yeah, cygwin
Nov 21 21:53:22 <rwadkins> portable ubuntu
Nov 21 21:53:23 <KGF2009> I liked palm development better on Ubuntu; but I can't live without some windows programs..
Nov 21 21:54:00 <rwadkins> and the windows programs you want to use won't work with wine?
Nov 21 21:54:06 <KGF2009> Nope.
Nov 21 21:54:16 <mugen[bounced]> kgf, i hear you... i love my debian box to death... but i need windows for only one app that doesn't run great in it
Nov 21 21:54:35 <mugen[bounced]> great in debian
Nov 21 21:55:02 <KGF2009> If someone can tell me a successful way to dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu without having one OS overtake the boot sector..I would do it in a heartbeat.
Nov 21 21:55:16 <mugen[bounced]> o.O
Nov 21 21:55:31 <rwadkins> put a linux distro on a usb thumbdrive, if your bios supports boot from usb?
Nov 21 21:55:39 <mugen[bounced]> well, _something_ has to have control
Nov 21 21:55:46 <mugen[bounced]> or yeah, like rwad says
Nov 21 21:55:57 <KGF2009> Not sure if it does.
Nov 21 21:55:59 <mugen[bounced]> have a bootcd or something that boots you into ubuntu
Nov 21 21:56:16 <rwadkins> you can also boot froma  cd and set up a persistence file in your windows volumn
Nov 21 21:56:20 <SineOt> Isn't that what wubi is for?
Nov 21 21:56:55 <KGF2009> I'm also wondering if I actually could switch back to Ubuntu, because I might have lost some dependency on Windows programs..
Nov 21 21:56:58 <SineOt> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer
Nov 21 21:57:03 <mugen[bounced]> yeah but the performance hit with wubi makes it useless
Nov 21 21:57:04 <mugen[bounced]> imo
Nov 21 21:57:18 <wastrel> i use linux in VM at work
Nov 21 21:57:26 <wastrel> because i can't install natively on work compy
Nov 21 21:58:44 <KGF2009> Which Ubuntu is currently out?
Nov 21 21:58:52 <mugen[bounced]> 10.10
Nov 21 21:58:52 <wastrel> 10.10 maverick
Nov 21 21:59:20 <mugen[bounced]> wastrel, if you're virtualizing, use debian
Nov 21 21:59:27 <mugen[bounced]> less bloat
Nov 21 21:59:27 <wastrel> wise that
Nov 21 21:59:37 <wastrel> ubuntu is working fine
Nov 21 21:59:41 <mugen[bounced]> just a suggestion
Nov 21 22:00:26 <KGF2009> I might be swapping over to Ubuntu today..
Nov 21 22:00:29 <KGF2009> Hm.
Nov 21 22:30:08 <KGF2009> Love how you can get online during an Ubuntu install.
Nov 21 22:30:53 <kesne> heh
Nov 21 22:33:01 <mugen[bounced]> you're not actually online... you're just hallucinating
Nov 21 22:35:27 <KGF2009> Aw.
Nov 21 22:35:34 <KGF2009> Crap.
Nov 21 22:35:39 <KGF2009> Then where am I?
Nov 21 22:35:54 * mugen[bounced] shrugs...
Nov 21 22:35:59 <mugen[bounced]> your imagination, remember
Nov 21 22:38:19 <kesne> So many newbies
Nov 21 22:38:31 <kesne> Where are the old dudes in here?
Nov 21 22:42:04 <drahgon> out with the old in with the new I guess
Nov 21 22:42:16 <JenP> hi all
Nov 21 22:42:43 <drahgon> I just learned how to get use wirc from dev day maybe other too
Nov 21 22:42:45 <drahgon> hi
Nov 21 22:45:48 <joetweeply> depends on what you consider old kesne
Nov 21 22:45:55 <joetweeply> i idle around in here for over a year now
Nov 21 22:55:38 <sugardave> I have flying internet, but no power
Nov 21 22:55:49 <sugardave> one day, everything will come together properly
Nov 21 22:56:54 <summatusmentis> not when airlines are involved
Nov 21 22:58:39 <sugardave> I'm starving, but I'd rather eat my shoes than spend $10 on a dry boston market sandwich
Nov 21 22:59:06 <joetweeply> just put some eggs in a pan and put it on toasted bread
Nov 21 22:59:14 <joetweeply> sliced tomato on top
Nov 21 22:59:21 <sugardave> I'm on a plane
Nov 21 22:59:25 <joetweeply> and some spices
Nov 21 22:59:31 <joetweeply> oh ... well then
Nov 21 22:59:45 <sugardave> otherwise, awesome idea :D
Nov 21 23:04:01 <kesne> sugardave: "accidently" hurt yourself when moving to the bathroom
Nov 21 23:04:09 <kesne> Make a HUGE deal about it
Nov 21 23:04:13 <kesne> And then poof, free meal!
Nov 21 23:04:20 <sugardave> heh
Nov 21 23:04:23 <joetweeply> heh
Nov 21 23:04:35 <kesne> That's happened to me before
Nov 21 23:04:55 <kesne> Tripped over some dudes bag, bitched about it, got a meal
Nov 21 23:05:55 <sugardave> I do have to question something...the flight left 45 minutes late, yet somehow we're going to land 15 minutes late...so, I want to know why AA is padding these arrival times and/or why the fuck they didn't just put 4:30 as the departure time
Nov 21 23:06:00 <sugardave> makes no sense
Nov 21 23:06:22 <kesne> They're just flying faster
Nov 21 23:06:28 <halfhalo> sugardave: they threw a fat guy out the door
Nov 21 23:06:29 <kesne> On a better route
Nov 21 23:06:36 <sugardave> haha
Nov 21 23:07:04 <sugardave> and then that brings up the question...why not always take the better/quicker route?
Nov 21 23:07:10 <kesne> Exatly
Nov 21 23:07:19 <kesne> Airlines always tell me that
Nov 21 23:07:24 <kesne> And I always ask myself that
Nov 21 23:07:29 <kesne> (grumble)
Nov 21 23:08:13 <joetweeply> meals on flights are terrible anyways
Nov 21 23:09:14 <sugardave> finally getting to do the dev day survey...it is loooong...now it's a race to see if my power runs out before I can finish it! :D
Nov 21 23:09:57 <sugardave> joetweeply: yeah, the "meals" are bad...the stuff they get externally though can be good...but I don't think I like Boston Market
Nov 21 23:11:38 <joetweeply> how long to arrival?
Nov 21 23:12:14 <sugardave> 2.5 hours or so
Nov 21 23:12:23 <joetweeply> that sucks
Nov 21 23:12:33 <joetweeply> especially when hungry
Nov 21 23:12:52 <sugardave> yeah, but there's a Salt Lick pulled pork sandwich with my name on it when I exit the jetway
Nov 21 23:13:18 <joetweeply> dippidy... then better get some sleep so time will run faster
Nov 21 23:13:51 <sugardave> that's next on the agenda
Nov 21 23:15:30 <joetweeply> then again, sleeping on planes is also terrible
Nov 21 23:15:32 <gregavola> anyone have a link the HTML/CSS properties that the web browsers in Palm OS supports?
Nov 21 23:29:32 <sugardave> okay, running out of juice, see y'all later
Nov 21 23:30:51 <kesne> Who is in here?
Nov 21 23:30:56 <kesne> Nobody?
Nov 21 23:31:11 <halfhalo> nope
Nov 21 23:31:16 <kesne> halfhalo!
Nov 21 23:31:22 <kesne> You've been quiet!
Nov 21 23:31:35 <halfhalo> Thats because I'm invisible]
Nov 21 23:32:38 <kesne> oh?
Nov 21 23:32:48 <kesne> halfhalo: You should get involved in the Villo team!
Nov 21 23:33:59 <halfhalo> why?
Nov 21 23:37:45 <mugen[bounced]> kesne, you got any docs on your villo framework?
Nov 21 23:38:17 <kesne> halfhalo: You're good at that stuff
Nov 21 23:38:26 <kesne> mugen[bounced]: Not right now, it's still in development
Nov 21 23:38:37 <halfhalo> and I have many other projects to deal with
Nov 21 23:38:46 <kesne> It's coded so you can probably tell how everything works just by looking at it though
Nov 21 23:38:53 <kesne>  halfhalo: nonsense!
Nov 21 23:38:55 <mugen[bounced]> mind if i look?
Nov 21 23:39:23 * halfhalo is working on his feedEater
Nov 21 23:39:25 <halfhalo> NOMNOMNOM
Nov 21 23:40:06 <mugen[bounced]> lol
Nov 21 23:40:09 <mugen[bounced]> noms
Nov 21 23:40:52 <halfhalo> Its slightly buggy right now
Nov 21 23:54:47 <joetweeply> damn insomnia
Nov 21 23:55:54 * mugen[bounced] shakes a fist at insomnia
Nov 22 00:31:09 <mbarvian> does anyone here know how to hide the notification tray from within an app?!
Nov 22 00:31:20 <mbarvian> code example would be very nice :)
Nov 22 00:31:35 <mbarvian> i know it can be done: the photos app does it
Nov 22 00:31:40 <wastrel> i don't even know what a notification tray is
Nov 22 00:32:03 <mbarvian> wastrel: whatever the black bar is called that you can tap and shows your notifications like messages and such
Nov 22 00:32:17 <mbarvian> on the bottom of the screen
Nov 22 00:32:23 <mbarvian> don't know the official title for it
Nov 22 00:32:31 <wastrel> i've never used webos :]
Nov 22 00:32:35 <mbarvian> ah
Nov 22 00:32:39 <mbarvian> what are you doing here? lol
Nov 22 00:32:59 <kesne> mbarvian: YEah
Nov 22 00:33:02 <kesne> Full screen it
Nov 22 00:33:06 <mbarvian> kesne: how?
Nov 22 00:33:11 <kesne> one sec
Nov 22 00:33:15 <mbarvian> kesne: thanks a lot
Nov 22 00:33:28 <kesne> this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true);
Nov 22 00:33:44 <mbarvian> where should I put this? stage assistant or scene's assistant?
Nov 22 00:33:48 <kesne> scene
Nov 22 00:34:07 <mbarvian> awesome man
Nov 22 00:34:11 <kesne> You can toggle it by changing to to false and vice-versa
Nov 22 00:34:38 <mbarvian> kesne: is there a way to show the status bar? or is it either full screen or not?
Nov 22 00:34:47 <mbarvian> ^^ badly worded
Nov 22 00:34:56 <kesne> It's either full screen or not
Nov 22 00:35:02 <kesne> You can't only hide the notifications
Nov 22 00:35:23 <kesne> To the best of my knowledge
Nov 22 00:35:36 <mbarvian> kesne: crap. alright.  I'll probably just make this work.  I'm making a calculator, and the layout's not very flexible.  that's fine though
Nov 22 00:36:02 <kesne> use enyo
Nov 22 00:36:08 <kesne> problem solved
Nov 22 00:36:17 <mbarvian> kesne: what's enyo? the new framework? :)
Nov 22 00:36:23 <kesne> yeah, heh
Nov 22 00:36:28 <rwadkins> it's a bad idea to hide the notification bar wihtout the user's permission.
Nov 22 00:36:31 <kesne> Why not just make the layout flex
Nov 22 00:36:31 <mbarvian> kesne: I'm super excited to
Nov 22 00:36:39 <mbarvian> kesne: it'd be quite ugly
Nov 22 00:36:49 <kesne> scroller?
Nov 22 00:36:59 <mbarvian> kesne: I have one in there now, but it goes sideways
Nov 22 00:37:02 <mbarvian> I'll show you a screenshot
Nov 22 00:37:10 <kesne> It's a calculator... no need to be pretty
Nov 22 00:37:28 <mbarvian> kesne: lol. I don't like ugly apps at all
Nov 22 00:37:32 <rwadkins> I have an awefulmemory.
Nov 22 00:37:43 <kesne> rwadkins: Elaborate
Nov 22 00:37:46 <rwadkins> whoops, wront window
Nov 22 00:38:00 <kesne> mbarvian: I tend to hate them, too.
Nov 22 00:38:06 <kesne> I then proceed to make them
Nov 22 00:38:10 <mbarvian> kesne: lol
Nov 22 00:38:40 <mbarvian> kesne: here's a screenshot, so you get what I'm talking about:
Nov 22 00:38:40 <mbarvian> http://imgf.tw/994030446.png
Nov 22 00:38:41 <kesne> I used to be really big on design
Nov 22 00:38:51 <kesne> Then I stopped hiring my designer, and it went to hell
Nov 22 00:38:57 <mbarvian> kesne: lol
Nov 22 00:39:09 <kesne> Hmm
Nov 22 00:39:12 <kesne> You can flex easy
Nov 22 00:39:30 <mbarvian> kesne: you think just change the margins between the buttons?
Nov 22 00:39:33 <kesne> Make the grey area scroll with a nice dark-grey scrim
Nov 22 00:39:41 <kesne> and scale down the top area
Nov 22 00:40:10 <mbarvian> kesne: also, I wanted to have pages, like the iPhone
Nov 22 00:40:15 <kesne> yeah
Nov 22 00:40:18 <kesne> do both
Nov 22 00:40:20 <mbarvian> kesne: I've seen it done on webOS.  is there an api?
Nov 22 00:40:27 <kesne> sope
Nov 22 00:40:29 <mbarvian> kesne: I don't even know what to look for
Nov 22 00:40:32 <kesne> *nope
Nov 22 00:40:39 <kesne> scroller widget
Nov 22 00:40:41 <mbarvian> kesne: then is there a way to get a scroller to lock?
Nov 22 00:40:46 <kesne> yeah
Nov 22 00:40:53 <mbarvian> kesne: oh ok.  do you know how? :)
Nov 22 00:41:09 <kesne> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1929
Nov 22 00:41:26 <kesne> look for "setSnapIndex"
Nov 22 00:41:34 <kesne> er
Nov 22 00:41:35 <mbarvian> kesne: duh
Nov 22 00:41:35 <kesne> "snapElements"
Nov 22 00:41:41 <mbarvian> kesne: lol thanks for the link!
Nov 22 00:41:59 <kesne> No worries
Nov 22 00:42:25 <mbarvian> kesne: so are the snap elements located on the left of the page that should lock?
Nov 22 00:42:33 <kesne> I think so
Nov 22 00:42:47 <mbarvian> kesne: alright. seems straightforward enough
Nov 22 00:43:05 <mbarvian> kesne: and then I can listen for the property change to change the indicator
Nov 22 00:43:21 <kesne> yeah
Nov 22 00:43:23 <mbarvian> kesne: thanks for your help
Nov 22 00:43:44 <mbarvian> kesne: btw, did you like the design? I can't tell if I like it or not
Nov 22 00:43:47 <kesne> no worries
Nov 22 00:43:50 <kesne> Its fine
Nov 22 00:44:04 <mbarvian> alright cool
Nov 22 00:44:10 <kesne> not a fan of the layout
Nov 22 00:44:19 <mbarvian> kesne: what would you change? :)
Nov 22 00:46:18 <kesne> I'm just used to graphing calcs
Nov 22 00:46:32 <mbarvian> kesne: ah. me too
Nov 22 00:46:47 <kesne> Layout is different on those beasts
Nov 22 00:47:16 <Tibfib> mbarvian: I liked it
Nov 22 00:49:36 <kesne> Tibfib!
Nov 22 00:49:42 <Tibfib> kesne!
Nov 22 00:49:54 <wastrel> is there a rss reader for web os
Nov 22 00:50:03 <kesne> wastrel: There are several
Nov 22 00:50:08 <drahgon> anyone know how to keep wirc from kicking me off for being idle
Nov 22 00:50:18 <kesne> drahgon: Don't be idle.
Nov 22 00:50:31 <dkirker> 'afternoon everyone
Nov 22 00:50:36 <kesne> wastrel: My personal favorite is Newsroom
Nov 22 00:50:42 <kesne> Hey, look, it's dkirker
Nov 22 00:50:43 * halfhalo mooooo
Nov 22 00:50:50 <Tibfib> ++ to newsroom
Nov 22 00:51:02 <dohtem> anyone use metrix for stats?
Nov 22 00:51:13 <drahgon> that's the only way that sucks,
Nov 22 00:51:21 <kesne> dohtem: Like everyone
Nov 22 00:52:05 <dohtem> really?
Nov 22 01:02:21 <sugardave_pre2> the plane is losing altitude
Nov 22 01:02:34 <halfhalo> orly
Nov 22 01:03:03 <sugardave_pre2> jesus this Pre2 is awe sum
Nov 22 01:03:17 <sugardave_pre2> quick like a bunny
Nov 22 01:03:48 <Tibfib> sugardave_pre2: jealoussssss
Nov 22 01:04:16 <sugardave_pre2> $250 ain't horrible
Nov 22 01:04:18 <kesne> Bastard...
Nov 22 01:04:37 <Tibfib> palm won't send my coupon...
Nov 22 01:04:40 <dkirker> subut I am broke :(
Nov 22 01:04:50 <dkirker> ermm... sugardave_pre2 ^^^^
Nov 22 01:05:15 <sugardave_pre2> like you've been denied, tibfib?
Nov 22 01:05:29 <Tibfib> no, they are just slow
Nov 22 01:05:35 <sugardave_pre2> dkirker: :D
Nov 22 01:05:41 <sugardave_pre2> ah okay
Nov 22 01:05:47 <dkirker> sugardave_pre2: So, how was Dev Day?!?!
Nov 22 01:05:58 <sugardave_pre2> awe sum as well
Nov 22 01:06:05 <dkirker> :D
Nov 22 01:06:16 <sugardave_pre2> oh crap, it's power stuff off time
Nov 22 01:06:25 <sugardave_pre2> catch you guys later
Nov 22 01:21:45 <Tibfib> anyone know what the css would be for these icons? would it just be the same as the regular menu icons.... http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Adding_icons_to_your_submenu
Nov 22 01:22:54 <Tibfib> the answer is no.
Nov 22 01:29:12 * Tibfib updated wiki page
Nov 22 01:29:31 <BeeksElectric> any progress on the sprint pre 2 frankendoctor? still working out the profile issues?
Nov 22 01:31:00 <Tibfib> BeeksElectric: ask in #webos-internals
Nov 22 01:31:17 <BeeksElectric> okie dokie
Nov 22 01:32:20 <Tibfib> I want to know the answer too :)
Nov 22 01:39:28 <donc> I'm trying to activate a Palm Pre 2 using a T-Mobile SIM.  The SIM doesn't have a data plan.  Anyone know if I can get to WiFi to activate?
Nov 22 02:18:13 <iWinRar> what was the cost of the tickets for the dev day again?
Nov 22 02:18:20 <wastrel> $25
Nov 22 02:21:08 <kesne> I thought the tickets were $60?
Nov 22 02:21:42 <kesne> Im out folks
Nov 22 02:21:45 <kesne> Have a nice night
Nov 22 02:21:51 <mugen[bounced]> nn kesne
Nov 22 02:22:03 <kesne> Oh
Nov 22 02:22:04 <wastrel> registration was $25 iirc
Nov 22 02:22:11 <kesne> mugen[bounced]: Did you look at that thing yet?
Nov 22 02:22:48 <mugen[bounced]> i've onced over it... i'll get into it a little deeper when i print it out
Nov 22 02:23:54 <kesne> ok
Nov 22 02:32:24 <donc> FWIW I  got the pre2 activated.  I used my ATT micro-SIM, which doesn't really fit but worked anyway.  Once activated the regular tmobile SIM works.
Nov 22 02:39:07 <BeeksElectric> Anyone tried Tracfone/StraightTalk SIMs in a de Pre 2
Nov 22 02:39:18 <BeeksElectric> *dev
Nov 22 02:39:37 <sugardave> I'm back home, yay :D
Nov 22 02:39:51 <mugen[bounced]> :)
Nov 22 02:40:07 <BeeksElectric> yeah, I just drove for 10 hours to get home
Nov 22 02:40:14 <BeeksElectric> what a weekend
Nov 22 02:40:14 <sugardave> damn
Nov 22 02:40:24 <mugen[bounced]> so how was it?
Nov 22 02:40:25 <sugardave> yeqah it was great
Nov 22 02:40:30 <sugardave> awe sum
Nov 22 02:40:32 <BeeksElectric> fantastic
Nov 22 02:40:42 <BeeksElectric> the venue was incredible
Nov 22 02:40:51 <BeeksElectric> the free food was spectacular
Nov 22 02:40:57 <mugen[bounced]> :)
Nov 22 02:41:03 <mugen[bounced]> how many attendees?
Nov 22 02:41:03 <sugardave> the only bad part was the wifi was basically non-existant for me
Nov 22 02:41:06 <mugen[bounced]> (roughly)
Nov 22 02:41:11 <BeeksElectric> HP really laid out the red carpet for the devs
Nov 22 02:41:17 <sugardave> hmmm, a lot of people
Nov 22 02:41:23 <BeeksElectric> yeah the wife was rough
Nov 22 02:41:24 <sugardave> 200-300 maybe?
Nov 22 02:41:31 <mugen[bounced]> that's awesome...
Nov 22 02:41:35 <BeeksElectric> think it was 20ish
Nov 22 02:41:46 <BeeksElectric> *200
Nov 22 02:42:25 <BeeksElectric> the pre 2 keyboard needs to get worn in like my Sprint's lol, feels too clicky
Nov 22 02:43:00 <BeeksElectric> and the auto-correct is throwing me off big time
Nov 22 02:43:13 <mugen[bounced]> autocorrect?
Nov 22 02:43:23 <mugen[bounced]> please tell me they didn't make it heavier in 2.0
Nov 22 02:43:40 <BeeksElectric> webos 2.0 has iphone-style AC
Nov 22 02:43:45 <mugen[bounced]> i like the fact it's kind of there - not-there in 1.4.5
Nov 22 02:43:58 <mugen[bounced]> bleh
Nov 22 02:43:59 <BeeksElectric> but you can train it better than iOS
Nov 22 02:44:08 <mugen[bounced]> gotcha...
Nov 22 02:44:24 <BeeksElectric> and create custom shortcuts a la Palm OS which is nice
Nov 22 02:44:28 <sugardave> I truly don't use it much for texting, so it's something that I never really think about...but it kept wanting to correct Pre2 to Pre :D
Nov 22 02:44:46 <mugen[bounced]> hehe dave
Nov 22 02:44:55 <mugen[bounced]> identity crisis
Nov 22 02:44:59 <sugardave> heh
Nov 22 02:46:08 <torchie> how's the scrolling on the pre 2?
Nov 22 02:46:34 <BeeksElectric> it scrolls like butter lol
Nov 22 02:47:06 <sugardave> oh yeah, it is great
Nov 22 02:47:19 <sugardave> I come from the minus to the 2 and it's like night and day
Nov 22 02:47:23 <BeeksElectric> the email app which lags horribly on my Pre is perfect on the 2
Nov 22 02:48:10 <mugen[bounced]> god i can't wait for vzw to release it!
Nov 22 02:48:44 <torchie> iphone-level butter?
Nov 22 02:48:44 <BeeksElectric> I can't wait to frankendoctor it :)
Nov 22 02:48:51 <BeeksElectric> oh yeah
Nov 22 02:49:15 <mugen[bounced]> all webOS ever needed was some current generation hw
Nov 22 02:49:15 <BeeksElectric> this is how webOS was meant to be
Nov 22 02:49:35 <torchie> well I dunno
Nov 22 02:49:43 <torchie> wasn't it a combination of things that made everything choppy
Nov 22 02:49:59 <torchie> no hardware acceleration + drag radius being the bigguns
Nov 22 02:50:11 <mugen[bounced]> now if we can get an upgrade display, it'd be a strong contender
Nov 22 02:50:33 <torchie> and apparently the plastic overlay
Nov 22 02:50:48 * torchie fingers crossed for sprint super device
Nov 22 02:50:57 <mugen[bounced]> hehe
Nov 22 02:51:38 <BeeksElectric> gpu acceleration isn't in 2.0
Nov 22 02:52:09 <BeeksElectric> one of the presenters showed it off and said it's coming soon, but not in 2.0
Nov 22 02:52:22 <knightbane> i thought it was still super fast
Nov 22 02:53:00 <BeeksElectric> oh yeah, but that's mainly the V8 updates and some framework optimizations
Nov 22 02:53:43 <BeeksElectric> 2.0 should be slightly faster on a normal Pre - in tandem with pre 2 hardware it screams
Nov 22 02:53:54 <knightbane> i jst hope it runs as smooth, on the pre-
Nov 22 02:54:19 <BeeksElectric> the gpu acceleration will help big time
Nov 22 02:54:22 <torchie> gpu acceleration isn't in 2.0?
Nov 22 02:54:27 <torchie> seriously?
Nov 22 02:54:31 <mugen[bounced]> lol
Nov 22 02:54:58 <BeeksElectric> the palm guy showed it running ~60 ups complex animation on a pre plus, not a pre 2
Nov 22 02:55:06 <BeeksElectric> *fps
Nov 22 02:55:20 <torchie> can they manage 60fps animations without acceleration?
Nov 22 02:55:29 <mugen[bounced]> that's awesome Beeks
Nov 22 02:55:34 <BeeksElectric> not in mojo, that's for sure
Nov 22 02:55:41 <BeeksElectric> maybe Enyo could
Nov 22 02:56:02 <torchie> so will mojo apps be choppy and derpy or what
Nov 22 02:56:18 <mugen[bounced]> huh?
Nov 22 02:56:22 <mugen[bounced]> why would they be choppy?
Nov 22 02:56:32 <torchie> iuno
Nov 22 02:56:44 <BeeksElectric> mojo is rather inefficient
Nov 22 02:56:57 <mugen[bounced]> it is... but we're not going backwards before we go forwards
Nov 22 02:56:59 <BeeksElectric> enyo is looking way more streamlined
Nov 22 02:57:09 <mugen[bounced]> that would be certain death for the palm brand
Nov 22 02:57:17 <BeeksElectric> but gpu accel will help everything
Nov 22 02:57:28 <torchie> so there's really still no gpu accel
Nov 22 02:57:30 <BeeksElectric> and every device
Nov 22 02:57:37 <BeeksElectric> early 2011
Nov 22 02:57:46 <BeeksElectric> maybe 2.1/2.2
Nov 22 02:58:04 <knightbane> there probably holding out for the palmpad
Nov 22 02:58:10 <BeeksElectric> it's coming, they showed it off so they have it running
Nov 22 02:58:15 <torchie> but 2.0 still has buttery smoothness on pre-pre2 devices?
Nov 22 02:58:20 <BeeksElectric> it'll definitely help there
Nov 22 02:58:34 <BeeksElectric> not sure, haven't seen it on one yet
Nov 22 02:58:45 <torchie> ;d
Nov 22 02:59:15 <Bmyers> smooth
Nov 22 02:59:17 <Bmyers> er
Nov 22 02:59:34 <torchie> it's just frustrating seeing the scrolling and transition in an early-gen ipod touch completely blow away the pre
Nov 22 02:59:56 <knightbane> ye why is that
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