**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 25 02:59:58 2010
Nov 25 03:12:11 <mbarvian> oil: what's that?
Nov 25 03:12:22 <oil> whats what?
Nov 25 03:12:32 <mbarvian> typeof(Nan) === "number"
Nov 25 03:12:32 <oil> oh, funny javascript
Nov 25 03:12:36 <mbarvian> ah
Nov 25 03:12:42 <oil> that "NaN" which is "Not a Number"
Nov 25 03:12:45 <oil> is actually a number
Nov 25 03:12:48 <mbarvian> haha
Nov 25 03:12:56 <mbarvian> btw, is NaN a string?
Nov 25 03:12:58 <mbarvian> or a type?
Nov 25 03:13:00 <oil> no, its a number
Nov 25 03:13:11 <mbarvian> no, just in general when a function returns NaN
Nov 25 03:13:15 <mbarvian> is NaN a string?
Nov 25 03:13:21 <oil> ...
Nov 25 03:13:38 <mbarvian> like eval(""). it returns NaN. is NaN a string?
Nov 25 03:13:54 <kesne> mbarvian: why do you want a blank string?
Nov 25 03:13:56 <oil> why are you eval'ing?
Nov 25 03:13:57 <bpadalino> well, it sure as hell isn't a number!
Nov 25 03:14:04 <mbarvian> bpadalino: lol
Nov 25 03:14:07 <mbarvian> oil: calculator app
Nov 25 03:14:41 <mbodevlab> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN
Nov 25 03:14:53 <mbarvian> kesne: just saying lol
Nov 25 03:17:04 <mbarvian> in fact, nvm haha
Nov 25 03:22:29 <sugardave> yes, why eval?
Nov 25 03:40:05 <haeffb> eval(212*(32/3));
Nov 25 05:02:11 <haeffb> MU wins Cancun Challenge tourney over LaSalle
Nov 25 05:08:22 <SineOt> yay, my developer device got here :D
Nov 25 05:10:31 <KGF2009> Lucky.
Nov 25 05:18:55 <mbodevlab> SineOt: Congrats!
Nov 25 05:20:25 <JenP> hi all
Nov 25 05:20:45 <mbodevlab> Hi JenP
Nov 25 05:21:26 <JenP> hi there
Nov 25 05:21:44 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Nov 25 05:21:52 <JenP> hi rod!
Nov 25 05:22:14 <rwhitby> JenP: watched any devday videos yet?
Nov 25 05:22:27 <JenP> no not yet. Any good ones?
Nov 25 05:22:42 <SineOt> the Enyo one?
Nov 25 05:22:47 <mbodevlab> Hi rwhitby
Nov 25 05:22:47 <JenP> haeffb!!!!
Nov 25 05:23:27 <rwhitby> JenP: I hear there's a good one about some homebrew thing ...
Nov 25 05:23:47 <JenP> LOL yeah? Are you sure? I heard the guy talked funny.
Nov 25 05:23:59 <rwhitby> yeah, hard to understand
Nov 25 05:24:18 <rwhitby> and luckily there's not much video of him, except at the end.
Nov 25 05:24:18 <JenP> LOL
Nov 25 05:24:38 <JenP> i heard you did great though. everyone enjoyed it
Nov 25 05:24:49 * mbodevlab did
Nov 25 05:25:54 <rwhitby> 54 hours travelling for 72 hours here
Nov 25 05:26:05 <JenP> ouch
Nov 25 05:26:36 <rwhitby> I made good use of the trip home though, writing a service backend for Impostah
Nov 25 05:26:53 <SineOt> What's it do?
Nov 25 05:27:13 <JenP> http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/42222/75-off-amazon-video-on-demand-rental
Nov 25 05:27:23 <JenP> don't know if you do on demand but that's pretty cool
Nov 25 05:27:49 <rwhitby> SineOt: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=blob;f=src/luna_methods.c
Nov 25 05:30:23 <SineOt> hm, it impersonates service calls?
Nov 25 05:31:48 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 25 05:31:51 <sugardave> yeah, it looks like it is a hybrid setup for making service calls from js to C
Nov 25 05:32:53 <rwhitby> it's a framework for user-consent-based permission enablement
Nov 25 05:33:15 <sugardave> oooo, nice
Nov 25 05:34:09 <rwhitby> Mojo can't access the database you need? Impostah can help.
Nov 25 05:34:25 <rwhitby> Mojo can't call the service you want? Impostah can help.
Nov 25 05:34:51 <rwhitby> Homebrew only of course.
Nov 25 05:34:52 <JenP> So work has been really hectic 6 day weeks 14+ hrs. And I haven't really thought of much else
Nov 25 05:35:20 <JenP> last night I went to a resturant to buy a pie and was in shock at how many people were standing around ordering crap....
Nov 25 05:35:30 <JenP> and that's when it hit.....I forgot Thanksgiving
Nov 25 05:35:31 <SineOt> that's pretty cool
Nov 25 05:36:18 <rwhitby> JenP: just say you're Australian. That'll get you out of it.
Nov 25 05:36:30 <JenP> LOL
Nov 25 05:52:12 <mbodevlab> Good night, everybody
Nov 25 05:56:46 <codeslaw> oi
Nov 25 05:58:13 <dohtem> vey
Nov 25 06:40:02 <KGF2009> exit
Nov 25 06:40:04 <KGF2009> ..
Nov 25 07:33:31 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 25 07:41:15 <dkirker> 'morning swisstomcat
Nov 25 07:45:46 <sugardave> morning swisstomcat, dkirker
Nov 25 07:45:55 <dkirker> hiya sugardave
Nov 25 07:45:57 <sugardave> dkirker: how's the studying going?
Nov 25 07:46:04 <dkirker> meh, bleh
Nov 25 07:46:09 <sugardave> :D
Nov 25 07:46:10 * dkirker vomits a bunch of C code...
Nov 25 07:46:13 <sugardave> heh
Nov 25 07:46:17 <dkirker> about that extent
Nov 25 07:46:18 <dkirker> ]
Nov 25 07:46:40 <swisstomcat> lo sugardave,dkirker
Nov 25 07:46:44 <swisstomcat> still up?
Nov 25 07:46:55 <dkirker> I just turned in my Networks assignment, 3 days late (for a 10 point reduction each day) and with some bugs...
Nov 25 07:46:55 <sugardave> yeah, finishing up the last of the food prep things
Nov 25 07:47:05 <dkirker> so, not feeling great about that class
Nov 25 07:47:06 <sugardave> dkirker: oh no :(
Nov 25 07:48:01 <sugardave> well, I"m pullin' for ya!
Nov 25 07:48:10 <dkirker> thanks!
Nov 25 07:48:16 <dkirker> It all comes down to the final.
Nov 25 07:48:39 <dkirker> for all of my classes
Nov 25 07:48:56 <dkirker> so, I am staying in SLO and not visiting the family for Turkey Day so that I can study, and do work work
Nov 25 07:54:46 <sugardave> dkirker: I'll eat some extra turkey, rice dressing, and crawfish dressing for you
Nov 25 07:55:35 <dkirker> lol, thanks!
Nov 25 07:55:44 <dkirker> would ya mind running it off for me too? :P
Nov 25 07:55:50 <sugardave> yes
Nov 25 07:55:52 <sugardave> yes, I would
Nov 25 07:55:55 <dkirker> lol
Nov 25 07:56:19 <sugardave> I don't run unless there is immediate peril involved
Nov 25 07:56:25 <dkirker> thankfully my roommate knows how to cook. So he, his girlfriend, myself and another friend are going to do something for dinner.
Nov 25 07:56:31 <sugardave> sweet
Nov 25 08:08:27 <hotdp> good morning
Nov 25 08:09:18 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Nov 25 08:33:27 <dkirker> 'morning hotdp
Nov 25 08:34:53 <rwhitby> when exactly is thanksgiving?
Nov 25 08:39:16 <hotdp> rwhitby  Thursday, the 25th of November.
Nov 25 08:39:29 <hotdp> So Today :)
Nov 25 08:43:28 <rwhitby> so I assume everyone takes Friday off work as well.
Nov 25 08:44:16 <hotdp> general or palm?
Nov 25 09:14:25 <JenP> hi all
Nov 25 09:14:41 <swisstomcat> bbl
Nov 25 09:19:30 <hotdp> Hi JenP
Nov 25 09:20:14 <JenP> hi hotdp. How ya doing?
Nov 25 09:57:23 <hotdp> JenP: Fine but its starting to snow :(
Nov 25 09:57:42 <hotdp> Do someone have Pro's / con's on Mobile app and Mobile site?
Nov 25 11:25:01 <xbonesx> Hi, I had problems with my browser yesterday, I've come to realize that not only were my bookmarks deleted somehow, it won't let me add more bookmarks or keep a history of were I've been???
Nov 25 11:46:59 <hotdp> have you rebooted?
Nov 25 12:02:59 <xbonesx> sry I was disconnected, any thoughta hotdp?
Nov 25 12:03:39 <hotdp> have you reeboted upir phone?
Nov 25 12:04:22 <xbonesx> yes plenty of times
Nov 25 12:06:51 <xbonesx> I also have ran into a bug with the contacts app. I just switched to a new pre and I use google cloud for my contacts, on this new pre I get a notification asking me to re-enter my google account password, but then when I try to enter it, it tells me it's
Nov 25 12:06:51 <xbonesx>  the wrong password, I know I'm not an idiot and I'm misspelling it everytime
Nov 25 12:10:15 <hotdp> :)
Nov 25 12:12:43 <xbonesx> ?
Nov 25 12:13:32 <hotdp> i don't know, have you contacted Palm Support? Maybe via chat?
Nov 25 12:20:40 <xbonesx> ya then they ask me if I have any homebrew shit installed and tell me that is the reason... everything that has been done to this new pre has been done to me old pre multiple times. I'd doctered and reapplied all the same patches, never ran into it before
Nov 25 12:24:56 <xbonesx> well I'm going to doctor this one and see if anything changes. guess I'll be back in here if the problem persists hoping someone has had these same issues and found a solution
Nov 25 12:27:53 <rwhitby> do a full erase too
Nov 25 12:28:11 <rwhitby> most people forget that when trying to do a full wipe
Nov 25 12:28:40 <hotdp> Doctor != full erase?
Nov 25 12:28:51 <rwhitby> that is correct
Nov 25 12:28:59 <hotdp> did not know..
Nov 25 12:37:22 <mbarvian> does anyone know how I can listen to keyboard clicks?
Nov 25 12:40:14 <xbonesx> ya when I doctor I do a full erase first then I sign in with a new profile, then I doctor and sign in with another new profile just to make sure nothing get transfered
Nov 25 12:45:14 <pc-world> I see only Mojo/webOS related errors in palm-log, but not JavaScript errors (for example wrong arguments for a function). Is there a way to debug JS errors?
Nov 25 12:52:32 <Amaranth> pc-world: I don't think passing not enough/too many arguments to a function is an error in javascipt
Nov 25 12:52:46 <Amaranth> Haven't done it in a while though
Nov 25 12:53:51 <pc-world> For example, I tried to make a call to a non-existing method on an object, got no error and execution stopped at the line where the error was. I had to search about 45 min to find my error...
Nov 25 12:56:15 <pc-world> Now, again, I have a mistake in my script, but I don't know which line it is and why it is... palm-log doesn't tell me anything. At the start of my function I have Mojo.Log.info("a"), and at the end Mojo.Log.info("b"), I only see "a" in palm-log
Nov 25 13:01:15 <Palmtini> you can do try/ctch for code you're not sure about. also there is str8 console.log
Nov 25 13:01:28 <Palmtini> try/catch
Nov 25 13:01:40 <pc-world> found it, used wrong variable name...
Nov 25 13:01:47 <pc-world> but I'll try try/catch
Nov 25 13:03:24 <pc-world> thank you, try/catch is working!
Nov 25 13:05:16 <Palmtini> console.log is nice too cause it gives you the line number
Nov 25 13:05:25 <hotdp> yer
Nov 25 13:05:26 <Palmtini> and file
Nov 25 13:05:37 <Palmtini> hotdp: !!!!!!   \O/
Nov 25 13:06:00 <pc-world> where should I use console.log? in the catch-statement?
Nov 25 13:06:03 <hotdp> Mr Martini
Nov 25 13:06:15 <Palmtini> instead of mojo log
Nov 25 13:10:45 <xbonesx> hotdp: looks like im not the only one encountering the broswer bug http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Software/Pre-Browser-bookmarks-disappear-won-t-save/td-p/285503
Nov 25 13:23:59 <pc-world> how to push a scene from a scene assistant? I don't know how I can get the stage assistant from my scene assistant correctly
Nov 25 13:27:44 <hotdp> xbonesx sad
Nov 25 13:30:06 <xbonesx> ?
Nov 25 13:30:42 <hotdp> that many people have that prop
Nov 25 13:33:37 <pc-world> How can I differenciate a tap event on a list, if the item was hold or only tapped? Like Internalz does it with directories to decide whether it has to show a directories listing or the pop up menu
Nov 25 13:47:24 <xbonesx> wonder what it could be, webos just not opening the app properly or something lol
Nov 25 14:12:58 <haeffb_> Happy Thanksgiving #webos
Nov 25 14:13:40 <hotdp> You to :)
Nov 25 14:13:58 <hotdp> Do you work at Thanksgiving?
Nov 25 14:17:12 <Palmtini> lots of work on thanksgiving
Nov 25 14:17:26 <Palmtini> have to over eat, watch football, nap.. busy busy
Nov 25 14:19:29 <haeffb_> it's a hard day, for sure.
Nov 25 14:20:04 <haeffb_> hotdp: it's a national holiday. most people are off work.
Nov 25 14:20:18 <Palmtini> watched bunch of tiger bball last night haeffb_
Nov 25 14:20:18 <haeffb_> and many people will either have holiday or take vacation tomorrow as well.
Nov 25 14:20:29 <haeffb_> sweet.
Nov 25 14:20:46 <Palmtini> it was like a mizzo marathon
Nov 25 14:20:57 <haeffb> where was that?
Nov 25 14:21:16 * hotdp want thanksgivin
Nov 25 14:21:20 <Palmtini> one of the espn's
Nov 25 14:21:34 <haeffb> awesome
Nov 25 14:21:41 <Palmtini> hotpd lots of food..
Nov 25 14:21:42 <haeffb> hotdp: immigrate
Nov 25 14:22:11 <haeffb> or just throw a huge turkey in your oven with a pumpking pie and a pecan pie.
Nov 25 14:22:12 <Palmtini>     leftovers... turkey dinner sandwiches ...
Nov 25 14:23:33 <teemu> Why pecan pie?
Nov 25 14:24:30 <teemu> I have to say it looks delicius
Nov 25 14:25:31 <teemu> delicious even
Nov 25 14:26:24 <Palmtini> haeffb:  lives in the south , thats why pecan pie
Nov 25 14:27:26 <teemu> ok
Nov 25 14:27:40 <haeffb> pecan pie is awesome
Nov 25 14:28:01 <haeffb> but then, all pie is awesome
Nov 25 14:28:35 <teemu> I have to try that pecan one some day. This coming weekend
Nov 25 14:28:38 <teemu> actually
Nov 25 15:16:15 <mbodevlab> Happy Thanksgiving to all our US friends
Nov 25 15:19:21 * haeffb out to visit family for Thanksgiving dinner. Later.
Nov 25 15:45:53 <mbodevlab> Hello Schalla
Nov 25 15:46:01 <Schalla> Hello. (:
Nov 25 16:16:22 <mbodevlab> Not a whole lot of activity here today
Nov 25 16:27:27 <mbodevlab> Hello Templarian
Nov 25 16:52:34 <sugardave> morning, happy Thanksgiving, USA :D
Nov 25 17:00:50 <Deihmos> i don't undestand how windows 7 is attracting so many developers
Nov 25 17:03:34 <sugardave> Microsoft is good at marketing
Nov 25 17:04:49 <Deihmos> just saw an article on engadget. already over 3000 apps and attracts over 15000 developers
Nov 25 17:05:23 <Deihmos> i wonder how many are developing for webos
Nov 25 17:32:02 <codeslaw> happy t day
Nov 25 17:40:15 <sugardave> codeslaw: you, too
Nov 25 17:40:44 * sugardave is pulling for the Lions in this first game.
Nov 25 17:44:58 <codeslaw> what channel>
Nov 25 17:45:21 <codeslaw> eff the patriots
Nov 25 17:45:29 <sugardave> CBS
Nov 25 17:50:51 <halfhalo> Lol
Nov 25 17:52:30 <mbarvian> sugardave: what folder was the calculator app stored in?
Nov 25 17:52:36 <mbarvian> i'm sshed in now
Nov 25 17:53:10 <sugardave> apps are in two different places, palm apps, I think, are in /usr/palm/applications/[app_dir]
Nov 25 17:53:40 <mbarvian> is there a command where I can copy an entire folder to my hard drive?
Nov 25 17:53:59 <sugardave> cp -r src_dir target_dir
Nov 25 17:54:13 <sugardave> er, scp
Nov 25 17:54:22 <hotdp> Evning people  :)
Nov 25 17:54:59 <sugardave> hotdp!
Nov 25 17:55:02 <mbarvian> sugardave: thanks. what would be the target dir if I'm sshed in? I want to just put it in my home folder
Nov 25 17:55:14 <sugardave> oh, that won't work well
Nov 25 17:55:16 <sugardave> what OS
Nov 25 17:55:17 <sugardave> ?
Nov 25 17:55:19 <mbarvian> osx
Nov 25 17:55:31 <sugardave> does it have scp as a local command you can run?
Nov 25 17:56:08 <mbarvian> yes
Nov 25 17:56:11 <sugardave> okay
Nov 25 17:56:30 <sugardave> scp -r root@localhost:/remote_dir local_dir
Nov 25 17:57:28 <mbarvian> there's no -r
Nov 25 17:57:30 <mbarvian> switch
Nov 25 17:57:36 <sugardave> hmm
Nov 25 17:57:52 <sugardave> scp -? to find out which one you use for "recursive"
Nov 25 17:57:55 <sugardave> might be -R
Nov 25 17:58:11 <mbarvian> nope. there's an -o switch for ssh_option
Nov 25 17:58:18 <sugardave> bah
Nov 25 17:58:22 <sugardave> osx obviously sucks
Nov 25 17:58:25 <mbarvian> lol
Nov 25 17:58:31 <mbarvian> is there a way to open this folder in finder
Nov 25 17:58:32 <mbarvian> ?
Nov 25 17:58:37 <sugardave> no idea
Nov 25 17:58:40 <halfhalo> Try --recursive ?
Nov 25 17:58:48 <halfhalo> And there should be
Nov 25 17:58:54 <mbarvian> negative
Nov 25 17:59:01 <mbarvian> halfhalo: do you have osx?
Nov 25 17:59:07 <sugardave> here's how I do it, probably the most inefficient way
Nov 25 17:59:18 <halfhalo> Yeah, but not on a comp near me ATM
Nov 25 17:59:25 <mbarvian> lol I don't want to go through every folder
Nov 25 17:59:30 <sugardave> ssh to phone, copy source dir to somewhere on /media/internal, put phone in usb mode, copy from there
Nov 25 17:59:49 <halfhalo> Would work
Nov 25 18:00:01 <mbarvian> alright cool
Nov 25 18:00:04 <mbarvian> let me try
Nov 25 18:00:32 <mbarvian> yep
Nov 25 18:00:33 <mbarvian> awes
Nov 25 18:00:35 <mbarvian> ome
Nov 25 18:00:36 <mbarvian> thanks
Nov 25 18:00:45 <sugardave> np
Nov 25 18:07:05 <mbarvian> there's a method in the source called setMaxDigits
Nov 25 18:07:10 <mbarvian> is that a valid javascript method?
Nov 25 18:12:00 <sugardave> doubtful, that sounds like a special-purpose method for the app
Nov 25 18:12:31 <halfhalo> Good times....
Nov 25 18:12:53 <halfhalo> So, who is planning on driving fast today?
Nov 25 18:13:17 <sugardave> not I, the only trip we MIGHT make out of the house is to take this movie back to the Red Box
Nov 25 18:13:48 <halfhalo> Bah, Netflix ftw
Nov 25 18:14:04 <sugardave> well, we've been doing both catching up on Harry Potter movies we never saw
Nov 25 18:14:39 <halfhalo> Meh, saw the first two or three, couldn't care les about the rest
Nov 25 18:14:49 <sugardave> oh man, I loved those books
Nov 25 18:15:00 <sugardave> part 6 was pretty good (watched it last night)
Nov 25 18:16:09 <halfhalo> Meh
Nov 25 18:19:20 <sugardave> halfhalo: you also don't have a 12-year old kid who is obsessed with all things Harry Potter ;)
Nov 25 18:19:42 <hotdp> harry poter :s
Nov 25 18:20:33 <halfhalo> No I dont.. Thankfully
Nov 25 18:21:41 * dohtem just ran out barefeet in pajamas to catch the garbage man :(
Nov 25 18:23:20 <sugardave> that's un-American, having to work on turkey day
Nov 25 18:23:28 <halfhalo> Yup
Nov 25 18:23:43 <dohtem> I have the mind to send them a strongly worded letter!
Nov 25 18:28:15 * oil is sick on turkey day ;(
Nov 25 18:28:28 <sugardave> oh noes!
Nov 25 18:28:35 * oil <3s thanksgiving food, too
Nov 25 18:28:47 <halfhalo> Awww
Nov 25 18:28:51 * hotdp would like to have a day off..
Nov 25 18:29:14 * oil wonders if he is the only one that thinks "hot double penetration" when he reads hotdps nick
Nov 25 18:29:27 <sugardave> no
Nov 25 18:29:30 <oil> ok
Nov 25 18:29:31 <hotdp> no
Nov 25 18:29:33 <oil> lol
Nov 25 18:29:38 <hotdp> Have had alot of heat for that
Nov 25 18:29:48 <sugardave> I'm probably the only one that thinks "hot Dr. Pepper"
Nov 25 18:29:57 <hotdp> the problem is, when i made the nick for 13 years ago "people" did not think sexual!
Nov 25 18:30:16 <sugardave> damn Internet and all its easy access to porn
Nov 25 18:30:17 * hotdp don't wonna change nick
Nov 25 18:30:39 * oil is just glad he is not the only one who thought it
Nov 25 18:30:47 <sugardave> oil: you should still eat some turkey, good sleep medication :D
Nov 25 18:30:54 * dohtem always thought hotdog for some reason
Nov 25 18:30:56 * hotdp when he thinks of oil he thinks of the BIG oil spill in USA :/
Nov 25 18:31:08 <oil> yeah, im fine with that :/.
Nov 25 18:31:28 <halfhalo> Which oil spill...   Wr have ad a lot
Nov 25 18:31:36 <hotdp> The big one
Nov 25 18:31:40 <dohtem> Exxon Valdez
Nov 25 18:31:44 <hotdp> Had alot of it in the news this sumer
Nov 25 18:31:48 <oil> lol
Nov 25 18:32:09 <halfhalo> I blame thefrench for that
Nov 25 18:32:19 <sugardave> Halliburton is French?
Nov 25 18:32:56 <halfhalo> No, but when has that ever stopped me?
Nov 25 18:33:19 <sugardave> yeah, that's true
Nov 25 18:45:14 <dohtem> whoo.. Fallout 3 for $10
Nov 25 18:49:11 * KGF2009 appears.
Nov 25 18:54:05 <Tibfib> happy thanksgiving everyone
Nov 25 18:54:12 <pc-world> when I try to open a popup submenu with "this.controller.popupSubmenu(this.controller, {onChoose: this.actionChosen, items: [{label: $L('Apply'), command: 'apply-cmd'}]});", I get the following error: "Error: Caught exception in _Submenu widget 'undefined' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined" - Any ideas why this goes wrong?
Nov 25 18:55:03 <Tibfib> check the api, I think your params are off
Nov 25 18:56:22 <pc-world> I don't see other necessary params in the API (http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1874&Itemid=244#.popupSubmenu)
Nov 25 18:56:54 <Tibfib> paste bin your code, hard to read here
Nov 25 18:57:54 <KGF2009> Hooray for syntax highlighting.
Nov 25 18:58:49 <pc-world> http://pastebin.com/MnKqwGiW
Nov 25 18:59:20 <Tibfib> pc-world: this.actionChosen.bind(this)
Nov 25 19:00:08 <pc-world> thanks, but doesn't help
Nov 25 19:00:40 <pc-world> #actionChosen simply prints the item name: http://pastebin.com/8RdJcUC0
Nov 25 19:01:00 <pc-world> I don't know which property "length" it means
Nov 25 19:01:55 * oil wishes he would stop coughing :/
Nov 25 19:01:56 <Tibfib> you still need to bind it
Nov 25 19:02:12 <Tibfib> oil: my sister's family is over and all throwing up :/
Nov 25 19:02:23 <oil> well, you need to bind it if you want to use "this" and ahve it mean the scene assistant
Nov 25 19:02:30 <oil> if you dont care, no need to bind
Nov 25 19:02:34 <pc-world> yes I know, but the error is still there
Nov 25 19:02:54 <oil> whats the error?
Nov 25 19:03:03 <pc-world> " Error: Caught exception in _Submenu widget 'undefined' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined"
Nov 25 19:04:06 * oil looks at his use of popupSubmenu
Nov 25 19:04:20 <oil> why you have this.controller as a first variable?
Nov 25 19:04:23 <oil> delete that
Nov 25 19:04:45 <Tibfib> yeah
Nov 25 19:04:50 <pc-world> because it's in the example in the docu... I'll try without it
Nov 25 19:04:57 <oil> popupSubmenu({onChoose
Nov 25 19:05:03 <oil> yeah, no first variable where i use it
Nov 25 19:05:08 <oil> which would make sense for a length error
Nov 25 19:05:12 <Tibfib> never trust docs.. I didn't check my code either.
Nov 25 19:05:25 <oil> if it looks at this.controller for for an items key which is an array
Nov 25 19:05:31 <oil> if this.controller.items doesn't exist
Nov 25 19:05:34 <oil> can't get length of it
Nov 25 19:05:35 <oil> :)
Nov 25 19:05:37 <pc-world> thank you
Nov 25 19:05:40 <pc-world> it's working now
Nov 25 19:05:53 <oil> :)
Nov 25 19:06:29 <KGF2009> oil, you're one of the creators of wIRC, right?
Nov 25 19:06:34 <oil> yeah
Nov 25 19:06:41 <pc-world> But I really don't like the way how to debug webOS Apps... Mainly I program in Java (desktop applications), if I have an error either I see it at the side in Eclipse or a clear Exception is thrown where (most times) I see all the information what went wrong, including a stacktrace etc.
Nov 25 19:06:52 <KGF2009> How can I make a scene look like what you guys did, with the list of messages and then a text box at the bottom?
Nov 25 19:07:10 <oil> KGF2009: i looked at the messaging app to get that look
Nov 25 19:07:19 <oil> needs specific containers/etc
Nov 25 19:07:21 <oil> to look like that
Nov 25 19:07:28 <KGF2009> All right, thanks, I'll check that out.
Nov 25 19:07:29 <oil> wirc is in git, feel free to look at it
Nov 25 19:07:36 <oil> git.webos-internals.org
Nov 25 19:07:40 <oil> the wirc repo
Nov 25 19:07:44 <oil> er
Nov 25 19:07:50 <oil> applications/wirc.git?
Nov 25 19:09:03 <KGF2009> Did you guys ever fix the issue with action messages?
Nov 25 19:09:17 <oil> afaik?
Nov 25 19:09:41 <pc-world> Another question: How can I differentiate a tap event on a list, if the item was hold or only tapped? Like Internalz does it with directories to decide whether it has to show a directory listing or the pop up menu
Nov 25 19:10:36 <oil> listen for a different event?
Nov 25 19:10:49 <oil> mojo.event.listTap listHold?
Nov 25 19:10:51 <oil> idk
Nov 25 19:10:55 * oil has never tried it
Nov 25 19:12:26 <KGF2009> I don't see anything in the log about it; The problem I'm talking about is that action messages will end up cutting off after around 100 characters, depending on the sender's hostmask, while regular messages could take up the whole screen if you let them.
Nov 25 19:12:44 <oil> KGF2009: idk if its been fixed or not
Nov 25 19:12:59 <SineOt> lol finally someone else has run into that
Nov 25 19:13:00 <oil> sounds like a plugin problem, i just do the js
Nov 25 19:13:15 <SineOt> yeah, oil, I'm pretty sure it is
Nov 25 19:13:23 <SineOt> I ran into that like... a couple months ago
Nov 25 19:13:25 <KGF2009> SineOt: I'm not sure how many people end up using really long /me messages. XD
Nov 25 19:13:33 <swisstomcat> evening
Nov 25 19:13:46 <KGF2009> I ran into it plenty of times; I have to use an SSH client to an IRC bot just to see the rest of the message. XD
Nov 25 19:13:58 <SineOt> KGF2009: depends on the people, but good lord it's annoying regardless
Nov 25 19:14:04 <KGF2009> Indeed.
Nov 25 19:14:34 <KGF2009> What's worse is having to sit there and be like "Um, can you re-send that..Without the /me?"
Nov 25 19:14:38 <KGF2009> XD
Nov 25 19:14:49 <SineOt> yuuuuuup
Nov 25 19:15:05 <SineOt> the lame part is that I know exactly why it does it, just not enough C to actually fix it
Nov 25 19:15:33 <KGF2009> Oh, if it was C++ I could fix it probably...But I'm no good with C.
Nov 25 19:16:04 * sugardave loves to use hugely long action messages so that he can talk about himself in the third-person.  Like Bob Dole.  Dole pineapples.  Pineapple upside-down cake.  "Oh now I'm starving."
Nov 25 19:16:12 <KGF2009> XD
Nov 25 19:16:25 <KGF2009> Yeah, had I been on wIRC, that would have cut.
Nov 25 19:16:29 <sugardave> heh
Nov 25 19:16:54 <oil> add a ticket for it to redmine
Nov 25 19:17:16 <oil> http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/wIRC
Nov 25 19:17:30 * KGF2009 is lazy and can't follow links in a terminal.
Nov 25 19:19:36 <SineOt> oil: do I need a redmine account to post a ticket?
Nov 25 19:19:44 <oil> yes, but registration is easy
Nov 25 19:20:00 <oil> (and then you can submit issues to any webosinternals project)
Nov 25 19:20:02 <SineOt> just making sure
Nov 25 19:20:24 <oil> but make sure the issue isn't already there
Nov 25 19:20:27 <sugardave> omg, Ben Combee, go eat some turkey and take a day off!
Nov 25 19:20:27 <KGF2009> Oh, and here's a big one; when are you guys gonna support & and ~? XP
Nov 25 19:20:35 * SineOt is going through and looking, yeah
Nov 25 19:20:56 <oil> & and ~?
Nov 25 19:21:02 <swisstomcat> sugardave: ?
Nov 25 19:21:02 <KGF2009> +a and +q channel modes.
Nov 25 19:21:31 <KGF2009> qaohv, ~&@%+
Nov 25 19:21:47 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I'm just browsing the forums and Ben's all working and shit
Nov 25 19:21:54 <swisstomcat> oh really
Nov 25 19:22:08 <sugardave> well, he's answering some threads :D
Nov 25 19:22:15 <KGF2009> Who's Ben? :o
Nov 25 19:22:24 <swisstomcat> palm dev rel
Nov 25 19:22:33 <KGF2009> Aha.
Nov 25 19:22:39 <keith> i thought he started his own consulting firm and is leaving palm?
Nov 25 19:22:47 <swisstomcat> really?
Nov 25 19:22:47 <keith> oh ben combee
Nov 25 19:22:48 <sugardave> that's a different Ben
Nov 25 19:22:49 <keith> never mind
Nov 25 19:23:16 <keith> unwiredben not ben and dion ben
Nov 25 19:23:24 <sugardave> right
Nov 25 19:23:55 <swisstomcat> exactly
Nov 25 19:24:03 <swisstomcat> not ben galbraith
Nov 25 19:24:48 <SineOt> oil: more modes. & = superop/admin ~ = founder/owner
Nov 25 19:26:15 <SineOt> oil: I'll document more issues since I can actually test out the .3x branch
Nov 25 19:26:47 * KGF2009 wonders what version he has.
Nov 25 19:27:13 <KGF2009> 0.3.3 yay.
Nov 25 19:29:36 <oil> well, if you can't test the 0.3 branch
Nov 25 19:29:39 <oil> dont post issues
Nov 25 19:29:47 <oil> cause they're all fixed in 0.3.x
Nov 25 19:29:54 <SineOt> oil: which is why I haven't posted any issues :p
Nov 25 19:30:00 <SineOt> but it seems the /me one still exists
Nov 25 19:31:30 <KGF2009> It does.
Nov 25 19:31:37 <KGF2009> Along with the ~&.
Nov 25 19:47:05 <KGF2009> So oil, what other kind of apps do you work on?
Nov 25 19:47:16 <oil> preware, govnah, etc
Nov 25 19:48:03 <oil> lumberjack
Nov 25 19:48:03 <KGF2009> Ooh. Two of my favorite apps.
Nov 25 19:48:07 <oil> xbox live friends
Nov 25 19:48:19 <oil> a couple games in the catalog since early access that i havent updated in like a year
Nov 25 19:48:20 <oil> lol
Nov 25 19:48:54 <KGF2009> So you've gotta be a pretty famous dev then. XD
Nov 25 19:49:23 <torchie> yo whats up with supertux
Nov 25 19:49:34 <destinal> KGF2009: he's in hot demand for autographs, I hear they're selling on ebay now
Nov 25 19:49:41 <oil> lol
Nov 25 19:49:51 <oil> no, someone at devdays did have rwhitby sign his pre2 box
Nov 25 19:49:55 <oil> along with a bunch of palm people
Nov 25 19:50:22 <destinal> oil: just goes to show that for some webos-internals is a pretty big part of the platform
Nov 25 19:50:35 <oil> yeah
Nov 25 19:50:53 <oil> webosinternals was mentioned in quite a few talks (not counting rods talk obviously)
Nov 25 19:50:53 <destinal> it's still a little weird asking for rod's signature on it but cool I guess
Nov 25 19:51:17 <oil> homebrew was even talked about in the keynote
Nov 25 19:53:55 <dohtem> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=302416&id=32915930478 - photos from the event ;)
Nov 25 19:54:37 * oil head is in one of them
Nov 25 19:54:42 <oil> lol
Nov 25 19:54:55 <dohtem> heh
Nov 25 19:54:59 <dohtem> sly
Nov 25 20:06:16 <MetaView> happy turkey?
Nov 25 20:06:33 <oil> well, i dont think the turkey is too happy today
Nov 25 20:06:47 <MetaView> depends on the life before...
Nov 25 20:07:02 <oil> probably got fed real good
Nov 25 20:07:06 <oil> to make him nice and fat
Nov 25 20:07:34 <MetaView> but in only a short time and with always the same food
Nov 25 20:08:28 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Nov 25 20:08:44 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat
Nov 25 20:10:28 <hotdp> Hey swisstomcat, did you extract the assist for me :D
Nov 25 20:10:49 <swisstomcat> heh
Nov 25 20:10:56 <swisstomcat> i wonder where it is
Nov 25 20:11:17 <hotdp> what do you mean?
Nov 25 20:11:36 <swisstomcat> on the device .. the text assist code
Nov 25 20:11:43 <hotdp> you can't find it?
Nov 25 20:12:21 <swisstomcat> let me take a look
Nov 25 20:13:12 <swisstomcat> found it
Nov 25 20:17:45 <swisstomcat> hotdp: i have it .. how much do you pay? :)
Nov 25 20:19:52 <KGF2009> Does anyone know where the code is for the lock scene where you enter your PIN?
Nov 25 20:21:05 <swisstomcat> hotdp: looks like it's calling palm://com.palm.smartKey
Nov 25 20:21:26 <swisstomcat> palm://com.palm.smartKey/AddUserWord
Nov 25 20:21:49 <swisstomcat> seems pretty straight forward
Nov 25 20:22:03 <hotdp> hm i dont get it?
Nov 25 20:22:08 <hotdp> Do you have the code for the app?
Nov 25 20:22:11 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 25 20:22:23 <hotdp> i give a beer! ask sugardave i am good for it :P
Nov 25 20:22:31 <swisstomcat> only one beer?
Nov 25 20:22:39 <swisstomcat> ;)
Nov 25 20:22:51 <hotdp> onlye 1 ;
Nov 25 20:23:49 <swisstomcat> http://pastebin.com/ZNqtbAkz
Nov 25 20:23:51 <swisstomcat> that's all
Nov 25 20:24:27 <hotdp> what?
Nov 25 20:24:35 <hotdp> there must be some markup and stuff?
Nov 25 20:25:05 <hotdp> My app will be easy to make i see :)
Nov 25 20:27:30 <hotdp> there is now "folder" with the whole map?
Nov 25 20:30:18 <swisstomcat> with that code you can add a custom word to the dictionary
Nov 25 20:30:26 <hotdp> yer thats great
Nov 25 20:30:35 <hotdp> but would like to see the  whole app :D
Nov 25 20:30:51 <swisstomcat> email?
Nov 25 20:31:01 <hotdp> sure
Nov 25 20:39:01 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: is that api usable without a com.palm id?
Nov 25 20:39:14 <swisstomcat> good point
Nov 25 20:39:18 <swisstomcat> probably not
Nov 25 20:39:23 <swisstomcat> but homebrew
Nov 25 20:39:34 <Tibfib> aww. If it was, I'd have my apps add their names to it :)
Nov 25 20:39:50 <Tibfib> except it would show up on the list... maybe not
Nov 25 21:36:35 <oil> Tibfib: wirc gets changed to wire, and wifi gets changed to wife
Nov 25 21:36:55 <oil> its a little aggressive
Nov 25 21:37:18 <torchie> AGGRESSIVE SPELLING CORRECTION
Nov 25 21:37:22 <Tibfib> yeah. If I have tried it, I would agree.
Nov 25 21:37:24 <torchie> BOOM
Nov 25 21:37:27 <torchie> (action time)
Nov 25 21:41:21 <swisstomcat> heh
Nov 25 21:55:44 <kesne> hey all
Nov 25 21:55:53 * sugardave explodes.
Nov 25 21:56:05 <kesne> sugardave: Was that because of me?
Nov 25 21:56:13 * MetaView cleans the room
Nov 25 21:56:17 <sugardave> no, that would be all the crap I just ate
Nov 25 21:56:37 <kesne> ah alright
Nov 25 22:07:23 <dkirker> sugardave: you're eating for me, right?
Nov 25 22:07:58 <sugardave> dkirker: yes, that is what sent me over the edge, I'm afraid :)
Nov 25 22:08:57 <sugardave> now I'm watching the Cowboys suck
Nov 25 22:09:16 <dkirker> lol
Nov 25 22:09:49 * dkirker won't get to eat until 10pm...
Nov 25 22:10:55 <sugardave> :( well, no way you won't get good sleep, then
Nov 25 22:12:00 <dkirker> oh well :(
Nov 25 22:29:58 * Tibfib is having thanksgiving tomorrow
Nov 25 22:30:11 <oil> tomorrow is not thanksgiving
Nov 25 22:31:41 <joetweeply1> thanksgiving is over already... isn't it?
Nov 25 22:35:10 <Tibfib> oil: correct!
Nov 25 22:35:23 <Tibfib> so how do some apps have pretty transitions for the toggle widget?
Nov 25 22:35:35 <Tibfib> like tweetme, and I think sports live
Nov 25 22:36:13 <Tibfib> yeah, it's in sports live
Nov 25 22:36:21 * oil has never seen it
Nov 25 22:36:57 * Tibfib views source
Nov 25 22:37:35 <oil> CHEATER!
Nov 25 22:37:36 <oil> lol
Nov 25 22:38:55 <Tibfib> crap sports live is minified
Nov 25 22:39:03 <oil> jerks
Nov 25 22:39:20 <Tibfib> I think they just got rid of the spaces... but not read able with internalz..
Nov 25 22:41:48 <ajay> hey oh!
Nov 25 22:44:13 * Tibfib found the css
Nov 25 22:51:09 * Tibfib pm's sportslive to put it on webos101
Nov 25 22:51:33 <Tibfib> hah! he just copied it from tweetme
Nov 25 22:52:39 <Tibfib> or vice versa
Nov 25 23:10:32 * ajay says damn you apple stop spamming me!! grrr..
Nov 25 23:22:09 <xbonesx> Has anyone figured out the legal side of using the prevent logging patch to palm?
Nov 25 23:33:30 <destinal> xbonesx: eh, it's your device, don't log if you don't want to
Nov 25 23:36:58 <xbonesx> Ya, I would think it would be that easy but then again I'm going to guess that its in the terms that they have a right to pull logs from the device? Was just wondering if anyone could confirm this?
Nov 25 23:39:40 <torchie> huh.
Nov 25 23:39:57 <torchie> so I now have the opportunity to dick around with a mytouch 4g
Nov 25 23:42:39 <xbonesx> torchie: Well it would make sense that if they have the device setup up to pull the logs that there is probably something in the terms because of privacy issues.
Nov 25 23:50:11 <ajay> I wish Palm would release for T-Mobile & US Cellular, even better to the low-cost carriers..
Nov 25 23:51:08 <ajay> (just thought of that when I saw the 'myTouch 4g' mentioned, since t-mobile apparently has sprint's "4g speeds" on their 3g network, which is kinda funny..)
Nov 25 23:55:17 <rwhitby> xbonesx: Palm would prefer that homebrewers do not log
Nov 25 23:55:21 <destinal> ajay: TMO can put a number and a letter together as well as the next guy
Nov 25 23:55:28 <xbonesx> So i just clicked on the emergency patch recovery to remove all my patches before i doctored my phone. It's hanging at the download screen, never even showed that it was downloading... what should i do?
Nov 25 23:55:48 <rwhitby> I've spoken with them about it.  They want logs to see trends for real problems, not get logs of people bumping their kernel to 1.3GHz and crashing.
Nov 25 23:56:14 <xbonesx> rwhitby: so what is the recommended means of preventing these logs, the one in other packages in preware or this prevent logging patch posted my some guy in precentral forums?
Nov 25 23:56:34 <destinal> rwhitby: maybe we could put a prompt in preware recommending turning off submission of logs and a button to do that.. hmm
Nov 25 23:56:36 <rwhitby> xbonesx: if you install UberKernel, it automatically turns off logging.
Nov 25 23:56:38 <mbodevlab> Hi all
Nov 25 23:57:00 <xbonesx> rwhitby: lmao, right makes sense
Nov 25 23:57:12 <rwhitby> well, it turns off the uploading of such logs to Palm.  There are other patches for turning off logging altogether for performance reasons
Nov 25 23:57:19 <ajay> destinal: ?
Nov 25 23:57:21 <destinal> rwhitby: or then again I guess the modified kernels are the most important thing to make sure to turn off uploading for
Nov 25 23:57:49 <rwhitby> destinal: yes, Palm logs have found bugs in ipkgservice before, so we don't want to turn them off for everything by default
Nov 25 23:58:41 <destinal> rwhitby: they're probably sick of terminal crashes by now ;)
Nov 25 23:59:27 <destinal> in waves at certain updates of webkit, alas
Nov 26 00:00:16 <rwhitby> destinal: they can filter those easily.  It's the random complete device crashes due to extreme overclocking which makes more work for them.
Nov 26 00:02:14 <ajay> extreme, extreme, extreme dinosaurs!
Nov 26 00:02:33 <xbonesx> rwhitby: so with the installation of the uberkernel, it muffs the logging for homebrew apps and palm catalog apps as well? basically a total stop to logging altogether?
Nov 26 00:03:10 <rwhitby> it doesn't stop logging, it stops any uploading of diagnostics to Palm
Nov 26 00:06:34 <torchie> how about a webOS go phone
Nov 26 00:06:55 <torchie> webOS on boost, webOS on virgin, webOS bogo on t mobile family plan
Nov 26 00:07:48 <ajay> torchie: seriously! they can use all their stock of Pres/Pre+'s for this too!
Nov 26 00:07:50 <torchie> or a webOS non-phone so I have something to use when my parents aren't footing the cellphone bill :(
Nov 26 00:07:52 <bpadalino> maniacal
Nov 26 00:07:56 <torchie> ajay that would be amaaaaazing
Nov 26 00:08:11 <torchie> gophone pre, hell of a deal
Nov 26 00:08:24 <bpadalino> i wouldn't be surprised if palm released a pda-like device .. no cellular stuff .. just a webos pda
Nov 26 00:08:33 <torchie> there better be one
Nov 26 00:08:41 <bpadalino> and that was the preferred development platform
Nov 26 00:08:42 <torchie> and they gotta pimp it hard to go up against the ipod touch
Nov 26 00:09:42 <ajay> torchie: fo sho!
Nov 26 00:10:25 <torchie> it's not just the phone radio that makes the ipod touch significantly less expensive than an iphone is it
Nov 26 00:10:35 <torchie> the screen's apparently lower quality too
Nov 26 00:12:04 <ajay> bpal: I'd be surprised if they released a pda-like device (music player, pda, or otherwise, ignoring tablet)
Nov 26 00:12:23 <bpadalino> why would you be surprised ?
Nov 26 00:13:24 <bpadalino> they kind of invented the pda .. being able to use webos as a wifi only device isn't a bad deal ..
Nov 26 00:15:05 <xbonesx> rwhitby: oh well my concern was that of logging apps. http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/257308-patch-prevent-log-uploads-palm-2.html this was the patch i was referring too
Nov 26 00:15:43 <kesne> Whoa
Nov 26 00:26:08 <xbonesx> kesne: ?
Nov 26 00:27:56 <rwhitby> xbonesx: My response is in that thread.
Nov 26 00:33:07 <xbonesx> Oh... lol I wasn't paying much attention to the names of the posters. So what about the OEM overlord monitoring patch?
Nov 26 00:36:02 <xbonesx> rwhitby: What do you think of that one?
Nov 26 00:37:50 <rwhitby> it does the same as uberkernel does
Nov 26 00:38:58 <xbonesx> rwhitby: it must be smacking me in the face and I'm just not understanding it. So it stops the logging of crashes and other things but not that of catalog apps and homebrew apps when uberkernel is installed
Nov 26 00:39:38 <rwhitby> Installing UberKernel stops any and all uploading of diagnostics to Palm
Nov 26 00:39:49 <rwhitby> I can't be clearer than that.
Nov 26 00:43:23 <bones21> You know when i get nervous about stuff I tend to hear whats being said but not comprehending it lmao
Nov 26 00:52:07 * ajay forgot that it takes THREE menus to shutdown the phone! My word!
Nov 26 00:52:28 <KGF2009> There's a good patch for that.
Nov 26 00:52:30 <ajay> (playin with a freshly doctored pre I bought off CL..
Nov 26 00:52:35 <KGF2009> Ah.
Nov 26 00:52:57 <ajay> KGF2009: That can be Palm's answer to Apple/ATT's commercials "There's a patch for that"
Nov 26 00:52:58 <KGF2009> I've got a patch where you just tap shutdown and that's what it does.
Nov 26 00:53:04 <KGF2009> XD
Nov 26 00:53:17 <KGF2009> Technically it can't, because Palm doesn't make the patches.
Nov 26 00:54:18 <xbonesx> That'd be awesome if palm offered the patches so that the user could have their webos the way they want, but i suppose them allowing us to have the homebrew scene is just as good
Nov 26 00:54:35 <ajay> KGF2009: Uhh, I don't think ATT (Apple? I dunno who makes those commercials) doesn't make the apps either
Nov 26 00:54:52 <ajay> s/doesn't make/makes
Nov 26 00:55:38 <KGF2009> Ehh...True.
Nov 26 00:56:24 <xbonesx> they could advertise " our homebrew scene has a patch for that" LMAO
Nov 26 01:00:31 <ajay> "your phone, use it your way" .. that'd work even better if it was on all carriers. I sincerely hope they'll do a Samsung Galaxy [phone] move on their next (post-Pre2) phone!
Nov 26 01:01:49 <xbonesx> hahaha "its your money, use it your way" isnt that jg jentworth or something like that?
Nov 26 01:02:07 <ajay> xbonesx: damned if I know.. ;^)
Nov 26 01:02:58 <xbonesx> lol ya it is shit wait it went like this " its your money, use it when you need it" jg wentworth LMAO
Nov 26 01:03:43 <xbonesx> lawyer for collecting money from settlements
Nov 26 01:05:17 <ajay> anywho, guess i'm bout to bounce!
Nov 26 01:06:20 <xbonesx> lol think that guy is a local dude... probably wouldn't have any clue who it is, but its funny that your slogan had the same flow
Nov 26 01:07:02 <ajay> xbonesx: i'm pretty sure my slogan had some elements of a common (Cultural or marketing) meme..
Nov 26 01:51:24 <kesne> dkirker!
Nov 26 01:52:31 <dkirker> hi kesne!
Nov 26 02:14:06 <solix> happy thanksgiving.
Nov 26 02:14:18 <mbodevlab> Thank you, you too!
Nov 26 02:14:38 <solix> :)
Nov 26 02:17:01 * mbodevlab is watching The Big Bang Theory
Nov 26 02:18:20 <Bmyers> anyone activate their pre2 with a cingular/at&t sim card yet?
Nov 26 02:19:21 <mbodevlab> Not yet
Nov 26 02:19:47 <Bmyers> they told us we had to wipe them but didnt really saw how.
Nov 26 02:19:54 <Bmyers> say how...
Nov 26 02:20:07 <mbodevlab> Wipe what?
Nov 26 02:20:40 <Bmyers> the pre 2
Nov 26 02:20:48 <Bmyers> sugardave: ping
Nov 26 02:21:03 <mbodevlab> Go to the Phone Info
Nov 26 02:21:12 <mbodevlab> there should be a reset options button
Nov 26 02:21:33 <Bmyers> that was it? thought I'd have to run a Dr. or something..
Nov 26 02:21:54 <mbodevlab> I don't know
Nov 26 02:22:09 <Bmyers> did you get a pre2 from dev days?
Nov 26 02:22:15 <dawm> i think they would have used the word flash if you had to doctor it
Nov 26 02:22:46 <mbodevlab> I did
Nov 26 02:22:58 <Bmyers> did you activate it?
Nov 26 02:23:30 <mbodevlab> No.  Under "Device Info" / Reset Options there's a "Secure Full Erase"
Nov 26 02:24:29 <rwhitby> Erase Apps & Data will do
Nov 26 02:24:47 <Bmyers> hi Rod
Nov 26 02:24:56 <rwhitby> g'day
Nov 26 02:25:17 <Bmyers> all palm did was put them in dev mode?
Nov 26 02:25:27 <rwhitby> and bypass first use
Nov 26 02:25:31 <mbodevlab> Yes
Nov 26 02:25:42 * rwhitby bbl - lunch
Nov 26 02:25:53 <Bmyers> lunch....
Nov 26 02:26:03 <sugardave> Bmyers: pong
Nov 26 02:26:05 <Bmyers> just looking to get app cat acccess
Nov 26 02:26:09 <Bmyers> sugardave: !!!!
Nov 26 02:26:15 <sugardave> heh
Nov 26 02:26:24 <Bmyers> you activate your pre2 ?
Nov 26 02:26:38 <sugardave> I did
Nov 26 02:26:55 <Bmyers> got a att go card or something ?
Nov 26 02:26:59 <sugardave> now it's wifi only because browsing the app catalog wiped out my $25 in 3 pages worth of looking
Nov 26 02:27:10 <sugardave> yeah, att go phone
Nov 26 02:27:30 <Bmyers> app cat is all i was looking to get
Nov 26 02:27:31 <mbodevlab> Bmyers: have you tried Google Maps on your Pre 2?
Nov 26 02:27:44 <Bmyers> mbodevlab: no ?
Nov 26 02:27:49 <Bmyers> why ?
Nov 26 02:28:10 <Bmyers> sugardave:  what do you have now that you didnt before really after activating it?
Nov 26 02:28:27 <sugardave> Bmyers: go phone works fine, though it took a while before my internet would work so I was in this weird state of running first use but it couldn't email me anything
Nov 26 02:28:42 <sugardave> Bmyers: just the app catalog and ability for ota updates
Nov 26 02:28:54 <Bmyers> but not thru wifi
Nov 26 02:29:00 <sugardave> why not?
Nov 26 02:29:03 <Bmyers> all has to be carrier data
Nov 26 02:29:10 <sugardave> I have a carrier
Nov 26 02:29:14 <sugardave> just no minutes :D
Nov 26 02:29:20 <Bmyers> i guess ota updates would work
Nov 26 02:29:26 <Bmyers> but not app cat access
Nov 26 02:29:34 <sugardave> app cat works
Nov 26 02:29:42 <sugardave> once it's on, it's on I think
Nov 26 02:29:49 <Bmyers> thru wifi ?
Nov 26 02:29:50 <mbodevlab> Bmyers: I can't get it to locate me :-)
Nov 26 02:29:53 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 26 02:30:13 <Bmyers> mine has no sim just yet
Nov 26 02:30:29 <Bmyers> i had a friend lend me a att moto/sim card
Nov 26 02:30:31 <sugardave> so basically I spent $45 and now can get the catalog
Nov 26 02:31:06 <Bmyers> ok. wasnt sure if app cat would work with wifi
Nov 26 02:31:10 <Bmyers> pre - doesnt
Nov 26 02:31:37 <sugardave> well, I say it does, but I still have my sim in it...if those expire, perhaps it won't work anymore?
Nov 26 02:31:57 <sugardave> downloading 2.0.1 now
Nov 26 02:32:09 <Bmyers> ah..
Nov 26 02:32:41 <Bmyers> well pop it out of there and see if app cat still works wifi only..
Nov 26 02:33:28 <sugardave> well, you'll have to wait a bit, 2.0.1 is downloading :P
Nov 26 02:33:50 <Bmyers> oh man...
Nov 26 02:35:28 <Bmyers> gonna take me some time to figure out how to liberate this sim card from this guys moto razor
Nov 26 02:35:44 <halfhalo> pliers
Nov 26 02:35:56 <KGF2009> Where -is- the SIM in a Palm device, anyway?
Nov 26 02:36:16 <sugardave> under the battery
Nov 26 02:37:18 <mbodevlab> Bmyers: Have you tried System Updates over WiFi?
Nov 26 02:37:19 <sugardave> well, it's on the same plane, but you still have to take the battery out
Nov 26 02:37:58 <sugardave> I can't get the sim out :s
Nov 26 02:38:11 <Bmyers> mbodevlab: didnt realize there was an update out so no..
Nov 26 02:38:15 <KGF2009> I've never found mine.
Nov 26 02:39:32 <mbodevlab> I've never waited long enough to find out :-)
Nov 26 02:40:03 <Bmyers> sim toolkit ?
Nov 26 02:40:11 <sugardave> doesn't do anything
Nov 26 02:40:39 <mbodevlab> rwhitby: Do you know if webOS updates are available through carriers only?
Nov 26 02:40:51 <Bmyers> he's OTL
Nov 26 02:40:59 <sugardave> Bmyers: sim out, just downloaded pandora
Nov 26 02:41:07 <Bmyers> from app cat?
Nov 26 02:41:10 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 26 02:41:13 <Bmyers> cool
Nov 26 02:41:19 <torchie> ma ma ma ma
Nov 26 02:41:19 <Bmyers> thats all I'm really looking to do
Nov 26 02:42:01 <Bmyers> xmas is coming, gotta get yule log on my pre 2
Nov 26 02:42:17 <sugardave> don't, it doesn't work :(
Nov 26 02:42:30 <Bmyers> no sim, not activated. checking for updates... spinning spinning
Nov 26 02:43:00 <sugardave> gotta activate once to set your geography
Nov 26 02:43:11 <Bmyers> thats what i figured..
Nov 26 02:44:08 <sugardave> damn, I love how fast this thing boots
Nov 26 02:44:38 <Bmyers> Erase Apps & Data
Nov 26 02:44:49 <sugardave> yep
Nov 26 02:44:55 <Bmyers> rebooting...
Nov 26 02:47:48 <Bmyers> duh
Nov 26 02:48:03 <Bmyers> insert sim and reboot. nice little slide show they have there tho
Nov 26 02:48:10 <sugardave> hahaha
Nov 26 02:48:44 <Bmyers> how you been feeling sugardave : take a little something more than you planned back home from NYC?
Nov 26 02:49:12 <sugardave> I've been fine, actually...seeing that a bunch of other people got a cold or something
Nov 26 02:49:39 <Bmyers> spinning.. setting language
Nov 26 02:50:19 <sugardave> that 2.0.1 upgrade took WAY less than 15 minutes
Nov 26 02:50:25 <Bmyers> i hope he's got data on this plan..
Nov 26 02:50:45 <sugardave> once you get past first use, just get on wifi
Nov 26 02:50:52 <Bmyers> doesnt seem like setting language should take this long
Nov 26 02:50:52 <sugardave> that was my mistake
Nov 26 02:51:50 <Bmyers> setting language is hanging
Nov 26 02:52:03 <Bmyers> this guy might not have any data access on his plan..
Nov 26 02:52:53 <Bmyers> oh man.... spin mode in setting language..
Nov 26 02:53:04 <sugardave> "Unable to retrieve the SIM Services menu.  Either there are no SIM services provided by your mobile operator, or there was an error when talking to your SIM."
Nov 26 02:53:08 <sugardave> I wonder what that does
Nov 26 02:53:23 <Bmyers> copy contacts and stuff?
Nov 26 02:53:28 <sugardave> ah
Nov 26 02:53:30 <sugardave> right
Nov 26 02:53:35 <sugardave> been awhile since I had a sim card
Nov 26 02:53:44 <Bmyers> the way back machine
Nov 26 02:54:13 <Bmyers> stuck there at setting language
Nov 26 02:54:20 <sugardave> yeah, sounds like you're fucked
Nov 26 02:54:31 <Bmyers> and not in a good way
Nov 26 02:54:44 <sugardave> gotta pull the batter, I think
Nov 26 02:54:48 <sugardave> battery*
Nov 26 02:54:53 <Bmyers> i can back swipe
Nov 26 02:54:58 <sugardave> oh good
Nov 26 02:54:59 <Bmyers> and select engrish
Nov 26 02:55:16 <Bmyers> but it doesnt get past spining "setting lang"
Nov 26 02:56:48 <Bmyers> would verizon work?
Nov 26 02:57:20 <sugardave> any GSM should work, I think
Nov 26 02:57:27 <sugardave> "unlocked UMTS"
Nov 26 02:57:40 <Bmyers> i got a verizon sim here i think
Nov 26 02:57:49 <Bmyers> its at least got ev 1x
Nov 26 02:58:01 <sugardave> the trick is going to be have one with data long enough to get through activation
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