**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 26 02:59:58 2010
Nov 26 03:11:14 <Bmyers> i guess there is no sim in the verizon pphone
Nov 26 03:11:38 <sugardave> oh, vzm is cdma, huh?
Nov 26 03:11:41 <sugardave> vzw
Nov 26 03:11:50 <mbodevlab> T-Mobile has an internet-only plan for $49/mo
Nov 26 03:12:31 <Bmyers> yeah i need to burn more cash on another data plan
Nov 26 03:12:40 <mbodevlab> I hear you
Nov 26 03:13:03 <sugardave> att gophone sim = $20
Nov 26 03:13:12 <sugardave> plus however much you want to load on it
Nov 26 03:13:29 <Bmyers> about 5 minutes worth...
Nov 26 03:13:49 <Bmyers> wait a tick. this moto razor says 3g
Nov 26 03:13:56 <Bmyers> wtf
Nov 26 03:14:08 <sugardave> I thought $25 was going to get me a couple of days, but apparently not
Nov 26 03:14:21 <sugardave> arg, UT is killing me
Nov 26 03:14:44 <Bmyers> i should have data with the sim card but its not working on the pre 2
Nov 26 03:14:57 <Bmyers> actually, it's pretty old sim, it says cingular on it
Nov 26 03:15:01 <sugardave> Bmyers: ah
Nov 26 03:15:14 <sugardave> you need to have them and that imei # or whatever it is to the network
Nov 26 03:15:23 <sugardave> add that*
Nov 26 03:17:03 <Bmyers> gotta give att that ID for their network eh?
Nov 26 03:17:16 <Bmyers> dangit..
Nov 26 03:17:37 <sugardave> yep, the guy at the store entered it there
Nov 26 03:17:53 <sugardave> you might be able to just call them
Nov 26 03:21:31 <haeffb> sugardave: UT giving the ball away like they're tired of having it
Nov 26 03:21:55 <sugardave> this shit is amazing: http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/
Nov 26 03:22:00 <sugardave> haeffb: yeah, I know
Nov 26 03:22:17 <sugardave> we need to win
Nov 26 03:22:32 * haeffb wonders about OTA updates if you don't have AT&T carrier... ?
Nov 26 03:22:49 * halfhalo tv just died
Nov 26 03:22:52 <haeffb> this is last game?
Nov 26 03:22:56 <sugardave> haeffb: yeah
Nov 26 03:23:09 <haeffb> halfhalo: They're cheap tomorrow, go pick up a new one
Nov 26 03:23:13 <sugardave> win and become bowl-eligible
Nov 26 03:23:46 <haeffb> If I have Chariton Valley, will I still get OTA updates?
Nov 26 03:23:58 <sugardave> did you activate it?
Nov 26 03:24:02 <haeffb> not yet
Nov 26 03:24:09 <haeffb> haven't done anything yet
Nov 26 03:24:14 <Tibfib> whoa, flexbox is nice
Nov 26 03:24:28 <haeffb> but if updates are tied to carriers...there won't be one for my carrier.
Nov 26 03:24:30 <sugardave> Tibfib: yeah, that's what I thought, too :D
Nov 26 03:24:44 <sugardave> haeffb: but why would AT&T already have a 2.0.1 update available?
Nov 26 03:24:50 <Tibfib> s
Nov 26 03:24:51 <haeffb> does flexbox work on webOS?
Nov 26 03:24:52 <sugardave> they don't even have a 2.0 device
Nov 26 03:24:58 <Tibfib> haeffb: that's my question
Nov 26 03:25:14 <sugardave> I don't think flexbox works yet
Nov 26 03:25:17 <sugardave> Enyo
Nov 26 03:25:21 <sugardave> start reading
Nov 26 03:25:24 <sugardave> :D
Nov 26 03:25:53 * haeffb started using http://m.untappd.com
Nov 26 03:26:32 <haeffb> but it only lets me enter one beer every 15 minutes.
Nov 26 03:27:13 <Bmyers> haeffb:  cheap where tomorrow?
Nov 26 03:27:36 <Bmyers> OH
Nov 26 03:27:45 <Bmyers> i got past selecting language!!!!!!!!
Nov 26 03:28:08 <haeffb> OH!
Nov 26 03:28:47 <Bmyers> should i create a new profile or use my pre - profile?
Nov 26 03:29:04 <kesne> haeffb: When that gets on webOS natively, it will probably use Villo
Nov 26 03:30:06 <mbodevlab> Bmyers: will you go back to using your old Pre?
Nov 26 03:30:19 <sugardave> Bmyers: I'm using a new one, but that's because I'm keeping my Sprint service for the next device
Nov 26 03:30:35 <Bmyers> might give it to my wife
Nov 26 03:30:51 <Bmyers> i use evo now on sprint
Nov 26 03:31:18 <Bmyers> (not giving pre 2 to wife)
Nov 26 03:32:52 <mbodevlab> Bmyers: So if you give your old Pre to your wife, she would set up a new profile anyway, right?
Nov 26 03:33:17 <Bmyers> what happens to the profile on my pre - if i use the same profile on the pre2 ?
Nov 26 03:33:45 <mbodevlab> I don't know -- but I don't think you can use the same profile on two live devices
Nov 26 03:34:09 <Bmyers> hmm. i think i might want to create a new profile in that case
Nov 26 03:34:13 <sugardave> Bmyers: in your case, probably not a problem since you have no service on the minus
Nov 26 03:34:15 <haeffb> sugardave: UT moving the bal
Nov 26 03:34:18 <haeffb> l
Nov 26 03:34:28 <sugardave> finally
Nov 26 03:34:33 <sugardave> got lucky on that punt :D
Nov 26 03:34:42 <haeffb> 1st & goal!
Nov 26 03:34:51 <mbodevlab> the worst case scenario, Pre 2 could update your profile with something that's incompatible with Pre
Nov 26 03:35:34 <sugardave> touchdown!
Nov 26 03:35:40 <sugardave> oh shit!
Nov 26 03:35:49 <sugardave> I need to so iHaveSpirit performs on the 2
Nov 26 03:36:10 <sugardave> s/so/see/
Nov 26 03:38:40 <haeffb> somebody shoulda tackled that guy
Nov 26 03:39:14 <sugardave> aww geez
Nov 26 03:39:16 <haeffb> and THAT guy
Nov 26 03:39:29 <sugardave> yeah, that guy would have been better to tackle as well
Nov 26 03:41:44 <Bmyers> looks like i made it thru activation
Nov 26 03:41:51 <Bmyers> went with a new profile
Nov 26 03:41:59 <Bmyers> couldnt get the old profile to fly
Nov 26 03:42:05 <sugardave> crap, palm tools are not seeing the 2
Nov 26 03:46:19 <haeffb> you have new novacom drivers?
Nov 26 03:46:40 <sugardave> I have some that should work, I think
Nov 26 03:47:15 <sugardave> oh
Nov 26 03:47:18 <sugardave> hmm
Nov 26 03:47:19 <Bmyers> did they ship novacom on the device?
Nov 26 03:47:48 <sugardave> wait, yes I already installed Yule Log on this phone
Nov 26 03:47:52 <sugardave> so it worked at some point
Nov 26 03:48:01 <sugardave> going to reboot because I'm lazy
Nov 26 03:48:44 <halfhalo> I like the way you think
Nov 26 03:49:07 <halfhalo> BUT YOU CANT SEE THIS, SO THERE
Nov 26 03:49:14 <Bmyers> \O/   app cat and no sim card!! whoo hoo!
Nov 26 03:49:25 <halfhalo> high five!
Nov 26 03:49:32 <halfhalo> Now buy me a tv!
Nov 26 03:50:47 <Bmyers> make me a sandmich
Nov 26 03:50:57 <halfhalo> no
Nov 26 03:51:44 <Bmyers> there is a system update it is offering
Nov 26 03:52:03 <Bmyers> 2.0.1
Nov 26 03:52:09 <mbodevlab> yep
Nov 26 03:52:11 <Bmyers> must be a biggie
Nov 26 03:52:30 <halfhalo> adds more unicorns
Nov 26 03:52:58 <sugardave> damn, rebooted both and still nothing
Nov 26 03:53:01 <sugardave> what the hell
Nov 26 03:53:04 <Bmyers> cool. i killed all the ones i had
Nov 26 03:53:08 <Bmyers> to drink their blood
Nov 26 03:53:39 <sugardave> I suppose 2.0.1 has killed my palm tools?
Nov 26 03:53:51 <sugardave> oh
Nov 26 03:53:54 <sugardave> duh
Nov 26 03:53:58 <Bmyers> well let me know b4 i install it
Nov 26 03:54:00 <sugardave> I bet it's not in dev mode
Nov 26 03:54:02 <halfhalo> dev mode off?
Nov 26 03:54:05 <Bmyers> hah
Nov 26 03:54:07 <halfhalo> hahahaha
Nov 26 03:54:19 <Bmyers> L
Nov 26 03:54:24 <sugardave> haha
Nov 26 03:54:33 <sugardave> how to do it now?  same long ass text?
Nov 26 03:54:48 <Bmyers> no , use the preware thingie
Nov 26 03:55:07 <sugardave> ack, I need to put Preware on first
Nov 26 03:55:19 <Bmyers> got to be in dev mode to do that
Nov 26 03:55:21 <Bmyers> :)
Nov 26 03:55:30 <Bmyers> up up down down something something..
Nov 26 03:55:44 <Bmyers> different keyword i imagine
Nov 26 03:55:48 <halfhalo> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Nov 26 03:55:49 <Bmyers> precentral is your friend
Nov 26 03:56:08 <halfhalo> lies
Nov 26 03:56:09 <sugardave> I got it
Nov 26 03:56:21 <Bmyers> when do i remove the battery during the 2.0.1 update?
Nov 26 03:56:25 <sugardave> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Nov 26 03:56:31 <Bmyers> when it says "DO NOT REMOVE BATTERY" ?
Nov 26 03:57:36 <mugen-> everyone have a good thanksgiving?
Nov 26 03:58:22 <Bmyers> good so far
Nov 26 03:58:28 <sugardave> omg did it not save my wifi settings?
Nov 26 03:58:35 <sugardave> :S
Nov 26 03:58:41 <Bmyers> finally got football, turkey and booze were complete earlier today
Nov 26 03:58:51 <mugen-> :)
Nov 26 03:58:52 <sugardave> oh, just slow to get connected
Nov 26 04:00:42 <Bmyers> sugardave: when do you do the dev macarana ? in apps?
Nov 26 04:01:06 <sugardave> it's a "just type it" thing
Nov 26 04:01:18 <sugardave> can be from card view or launcher
Nov 26 04:01:48 <torchie> a "boom action time" thing
Nov 26 04:01:57 <sugardave> oh yeah :D
Nov 26 04:02:18 <haeffb> webos20090606
Nov 26 04:02:21 <sugardave> iHS is way better on this phone :D
Nov 26 04:02:23 <haeffb> a bit shorter
Nov 26 04:02:48 <Tibfib> konami is cooler.
Nov 26 04:02:50 <torchie> iHS?
Nov 26 04:03:02 <Bmyers> now i gotta get preware back on there too
Nov 26 04:03:20 <sugardave> iHaveSpirit color flasher thingie...it uses css marquee text that is choppy on the minus
Nov 26 04:03:27 <torchie> oh yeah
Nov 26 04:03:35 <torchie> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Nov 26 04:03:38 <torchie> baSTART
Nov 26 04:03:51 <haeffb> webos20090606
Nov 26 04:03:58 <sugardave> bastart!
Nov 26 04:04:09 <torchie> let's get it bastarted in here
Nov 26 04:04:40 <Bmyers> the rapists !
Nov 26 04:04:45 <Bmyers> oh wait...
Nov 26 04:04:50 <Bmyers> therapists
Nov 26 04:04:52 <Bmyers> oops
Nov 26 04:05:16 <torchie> it's christ mas
Nov 26 04:05:20 <torchie> no palm pad
Nov 26 04:05:25 <sugardave> ooo, blocked punt!  come on!
Nov 26 04:05:27 <torchie> people offer gift
Nov 26 04:05:28 <torchie> i cry
Nov 26 04:05:29 <torchie> :(
Nov 26 04:06:17 <haeffb> let's go sugardave !!!
Nov 26 04:06:32 <haeffb> do you have spirit?
Nov 26 04:07:08 <haeffb> so, I should borrow an AT&T SIM and activate my Pre2?
Nov 26 04:07:23 <sugardave> iHaveSpirit!
Nov 26 04:07:34 <haeffb> or just leave it as is?
Nov 26 04:07:36 <sugardave> I'm waiting to scroll "TOUCHDOWN" across my screen
Nov 26 04:07:42 <sugardave> but, they need to get one first
Nov 26 04:08:19 <haeffb> "FIELDGOAL"
Nov 26 04:08:27 <sugardave> meh
Nov 26 04:11:12 <Bmyers> haeffb:  worked for me
Nov 26 04:19:14 <haeffb> sugardave: let's tie this up.
Nov 26 04:23:41 <sugardave> lots of overthrowing tonight
Nov 26 04:26:58 <maik> sugardave: cincinatti?
Nov 26 04:27:09 <sugardave> Longhorns
Nov 26 04:27:14 <maik> oh right
Nov 26 04:27:27 <sugardave> dammit
Nov 26 04:27:32 <sugardave> game over
Nov 26 04:27:47 <maik> d'awwwwe
Nov 26 04:30:04 <haeffb> former MU QB Brad Smith 93yd KO return for TD: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010112502/2010/REG12/bengals@jets#tab:watch
Nov 26 04:30:34 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003LL19F0/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER shall be mine
Nov 26 04:31:04 <haeffb> last 50 yds with only one shoe
Nov 26 04:39:55 <Bmyers> where does preware land itself when you run the jar installer ?
Nov 26 04:45:20 <Bmyers> cant get preware installed back in there
Nov 26 04:55:04 <sugardave> Bmyers: command line install it?
Nov 26 04:55:20 <Bmyers> yeah but where is the ipkg ?
Nov 26 04:55:39 <Bmyers> i dl'd the jar and it said it sent itself somewhere
Nov 26 04:55:46 <Bmyers> cant find it tho
Nov 26 04:55:49 <sugardave> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_Commandline
Nov 26 04:56:32 <Bmyers> thx. lemme try that
Nov 26 04:57:56 <haeffb> rwhitby said there's some trick to putting it on a Pre2, but I can't remember what...
Nov 26 04:58:14 <sugardave> I just did the command-line install
Nov 26 04:58:16 <sugardave> no problem
Nov 26 04:58:27 <Tibfib> you have to have the novacom drivers
Nov 26 04:58:39 <Tibfib> the 2.0 ones
Nov 26 04:58:49 <Tibfib> if you don't have the 2.0 sdk installed, you won't have them
Nov 26 04:58:54 <sugardave> oh, yeah...you need to be able to get to the device
Nov 26 04:59:04 <sugardave> surely there's a wosqi for it now
Nov 26 04:59:17 <Bmyers> Rod installed preware for me at dev days
Nov 26 04:59:22 <sugardave> right
Nov 26 04:59:23 <Bmyers> sure saved me alot of time
Nov 26 04:59:39 <Bmyers> i was kinda dork'n to have Rod personally install preware for me
Nov 26 05:00:16 <Bmyers> i think my mac side has 1.4 sdk
Nov 26 05:00:23 <Bmyers> my pc side should have 2.0
Nov 26 05:02:01 <haeffb> the alleged 2.0
Nov 26 05:02:10 <haeffb> which may or may not exist
Nov 26 05:02:26 <rwhitby> just need the 2.0 novacom drivers
Nov 26 05:02:33 <rwhitby> from the doctor will do
Nov 26 05:02:43 <haeffb> even though there is a shipping device with 2.x
Nov 26 05:03:01 <rwhitby> leave the device unplugged and run the doctor to the point where it checks the drivers on your host
Nov 26 05:03:16 <rwhitby> then after it has installed the drivers, exit it and palm-install
Nov 26 05:03:53 <sugardave> tada!
Nov 26 05:08:45 <Bmyers>  have the windows 2.0 sdk installed
Nov 26 05:09:26 <Bmyers> preware standalone installer just crashes
Nov 26 05:09:58 <destinal> Bmyers: just palm-install prewarefilename.ipk
Nov 26 05:10:12 <Bmyers> no device it says
Nov 26 05:10:37 <sugardave> dev mode?
Nov 26 05:11:04 <Bmyers> got that
Nov 26 05:11:23 <sugardave> palm-install -d usb -l ?
Nov 26 05:11:33 <destinal> Bmyers: try services control panel (start, run, services.msc) and stop and start the novacom service
Nov 26 05:11:49 <Bmyers> just replugged the pre
Nov 26 05:11:59 <Bmyers> got preware now!!
Nov 26 05:12:03 <Bmyers> thanks guys..
Nov 26 05:12:03 <destinal> ah nice
Nov 26 05:12:06 <destinal> yw
Nov 26 05:12:15 <Bmyers> it's much easier to install
Nov 26 05:12:21 <Bmyers> when rwhitby  does it for you..
Nov 26 05:12:29 <sugardave> haha
Nov 26 05:12:30 <destinal> lol
Nov 26 05:12:35 <oil> lol
Nov 26 05:12:44 <Bmyers> call me lazy
Nov 26 05:12:50 <destinal> we all need a personal rwhitby preware installer
Nov 26 05:13:01 <destinal> but then of course you really should buy him a beer
Nov 26 05:13:20 <Bmyers> it was open bar at the bowling alley
Nov 26 05:13:22 <oil> just fly down under
Nov 26 05:13:24 <Bmyers> i should have then..
Nov 26 05:13:32 <destinal> Bmyers: lol
Nov 26 05:13:54 <destinal> I wish I could have made it to devdays
Nov 26 05:13:59 <Bmyers> really turned out to be the best part
Nov 26 05:14:01 <destinal> I hear it wasgreat
Nov 26 05:14:04 <Bmyers> just meeting everyone
Nov 26 05:14:34 <Bmyers> got to blame oil in person, it's much more satisfying
Nov 26 05:14:45 <destinal> ha
Nov 26 05:14:49 <oil> :/
Nov 26 05:15:41 <Bmyers> got to meet Denmarks best
Nov 26 05:16:30 <Bmyers> ppl were just either putting their irc names on their badges or their apps
Nov 26 05:16:45 <KGF2009> So will WebOS 2.0 be available for all the WebOS devices?
Nov 26 05:16:55 <sugardave> "soon"
Nov 26 05:17:00 <Bmyers> palm might have jumped the gun and said yes
Nov 26 05:17:14 <destinal> KGF2009: "in the coming months"
Nov 26 05:17:17 <sugardave> rumor has it in December for Sprint
Nov 26 05:17:19 <Bmyers> but i cant see why sprint would release an update for an EOL phone
Nov 26 05:17:23 <destinal> or sooner if we can hack it :)
Nov 26 05:17:35 <halfhalo> rumor has it I have popcorn
Nov 26 05:17:38 <Bmyers> Dr. is going to be the way there i think
Nov 26 05:17:45 <destinal> halfhalo: I believe that rumor
Nov 26 05:17:55 <destinal> I wonder about the bacon though
Nov 26 05:17:59 <Bmyers> why would they?
Nov 26 05:18:14 * halfhalo microwaved the bacon tonight because he was lazy
Nov 26 05:18:17 <Bmyers> they dont even sell palm anymore
Nov 26 05:18:21 * halfhalo is also out of popocorn
Nov 26 05:18:32 * halfhalo has trix and ice
Nov 26 05:19:10 <destinal> Bmyers: suspect sprint will provide update, for security  reasons if nothing else
Nov 26 05:19:23 <KGF2009> So what I'm asking is, when WebOS does hit verizon, is my Pre+ gonna be able to get the 2.0?
Nov 26 05:19:25 <destinal> EOL for new sales != EOL for support
Nov 26 05:19:29 <destinal> with carriers anyway
Nov 26 05:19:53 <sugardave> KGF2009: not at the same time, I bet
Nov 26 05:20:08 <Bmyers> i'll be surprised if they do
Nov 26 05:20:23 <destinal> halfhalo: trix and ice don't sound like a fantastic combo
Nov 26 05:20:28 <KGF2009> Well, probably not the same time, but eventually?
Nov 26 05:20:41 <sugardave> so, trying Ares again....how do you do accelerometer stuff in there?
Nov 26 05:20:43 <halfhalo> you would be wrong good sir
Nov 26 05:21:12 <Bmyers> sugardave: you traitor !
Nov 26 05:21:53 * halfhalo is to lazy to switch out the hdmi cord on his monitor for the ps3 one
Nov 26 05:22:01 <halfhalo> I miss my tv already...
Nov 26 05:22:19 <Bmyers> miss my mythbox
Nov 26 05:22:26 <sugardave> I told lemketron I would try it again when he was in here one night chastising me for ragging on it so hard...something like "you're going to want to use Ares when you see the new stuf we have planned"
Nov 26 05:22:27 <Bmyers> commercial with the in-laws..
Nov 26 05:23:03 <Bmyers> sugardave:  i didnt realize i knew lemektron from like 10 yrs ago as a PalmOS guy
Nov 26 05:23:07 <halfhalo> Downsizing from a 26" to a 21" SUCKS
Nov 26 05:23:11 <sugardave> lol
Nov 26 05:23:14 <destinal> sugardave: yeah, well, with Enyo, Ares will be godlike.   err. wait.
Nov 26 05:23:23 <sugardave> destinal: rofl
Nov 26 05:23:27 <Bmyers> ew..
Nov 26 05:23:40 <Bmyers> that ''s his sister man!!
Nov 26 05:24:05 <destinal> heh came out wrong, but anyway Ares will be an even better thing when Enyo comes along
Nov 26 05:24:23 <destinal> since it'll be essentialy native enyo code
Nov 26 05:24:32 <destinal> no extra framework beyond what we're all using anyway
Nov 26 05:24:54 <sugardave> I see these "sensor" things, but nothing for accelerometer
Nov 26 05:24:56 * halfhalo is using a 1280x1024 17" monitor
Nov 26 05:25:13 <destinal> Bmyers: and with the greco-roman sensibilities, sisters might not be offlimits
Nov 26 05:25:21 <sugardave> haha
Nov 26 05:25:31 <halfhalo> hahaha
Nov 26 05:25:36 <Bmyers> yeah well, at least shes a woman..
Nov 26 05:25:40 <Bmyers> i see your point
Nov 26 05:26:08 <Bmyers> Rhome was a pumpkin state
Nov 26 05:27:15 <Bmyers> but at least I'm activated on the pre 2 now, back in dev mode, got preware, and app cat access, updated to 2.0.1
Nov 26 05:27:24 <Bmyers> thanks for the help guys
Nov 26 05:27:47 <Bmyers> MY PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION IS ALMOST COMPLETE...
Nov 26 05:27:50 <sugardave> np
Nov 26 05:27:51 <Bmyers> muhahahahaha
Nov 26 05:27:55 <Bmyers>  MUH HAHA HA HA
Nov 26 05:28:07 <Bmyers> MUH AHHAH ( cough)
Nov 26 05:28:25 <destinal> Bmyers: the devdays pre2's have gotten 2.0.1 OTA at last?
Nov 26 05:28:34 <Bmyers> att did
Nov 26 05:28:43 <sugardave> destinal: you have to go to system updates, but it's there
Nov 26 05:29:12 <Bmyers> it's a unicorn update... (someone here said)
Nov 26 05:29:14 <destinal> I'm so jealous of you guys.  still waiting on coupon here
Nov 26 05:29:24 <sugardave> you're gonna love it
Nov 26 05:29:40 <Bmyers> it's better than free sliced sex
Nov 26 05:29:45 <destinal> lol
Nov 26 05:30:05 <Bmyers> 1ghz proc
Nov 26 05:30:13 <Bmyers> so thats all good
Nov 26 05:30:19 <destinal> we'll have to see what the overclock is like :)
Nov 26 05:30:23 <sugardave> it boots up much quicker
Nov 26 05:30:25 <Bmyers> still no F"N gpu
Nov 26 05:30:31 <sugardave> "soon"
Nov 26 05:30:39 <Bmyers> yeah over clock this biatch
Nov 26 05:30:56 <Bmyers> no touchstone presentation mode yet either
Nov 26 05:31:15 <destinal> bt keyboards, though?
Nov 26 05:31:23 <Bmyers> govnah reads it as 1ghz but no options to overclock it
Nov 26 05:31:28 <Bmyers> yes bt kb
Nov 26 05:31:50 <destinal> cool, I have plans for the new bluetooth profile  :)
Nov 26 05:31:55 <sugardave> oh, haven't tried that yet
Nov 26 05:31:59 <sugardave> let's see
Nov 26 05:32:00 <Bmyers> really like the no button cylon led thing
Nov 26 05:32:11 <Bmyers> sugardave: but
Nov 26 05:32:13 <destinal> and no, not just pairing a keyboard, I know you were going to say it
Nov 26 05:32:26 <Bmyers> if you're far enough away to use a keyboard, you cant read the text anyway
Nov 26 05:32:48 <Bmyers> Rickwork said they had one hooked up within hours of getting them
Nov 26 05:33:18 <Bmyers> free drinks, food, bowling and pool and these guys are just playing with their pre2's at lucky strikes party
Nov 26 05:33:29 <Bmyers> to see if bt kb works..
Nov 26 05:33:39 <destinal> Bmyers: I'm more thinking joysticks and ipod dock adapters and serial terminals and all kinds of exotic things which I'll probably never release
Nov 26 05:33:49 <destinal> bt spp could be very useful
Nov 26 05:34:35 <sugardave> hmm, cannot pair to my kb
Nov 26 05:34:36 <destinal> since we still don't have usb host, bt is the first best hope for random projects connecting
Nov 26 05:34:57 <sugardave> destinal: yes, I will want to learn how to do bt comms
Nov 26 05:35:22 <destinal> I still think usb host may be possible with kernel hacking
Nov 26 05:35:23 * oil wants to make dotgame pre2pre over bt
Nov 26 05:35:42 * destinal is kernel hacking n00b unfortunately
Nov 26 05:35:58 <destinal> oil: that sounds awesome, I'm astounded by the lack of local area pre2pre gaming
Nov 26 05:36:05 <Bmyers> well it should have a2pd right?
Nov 26 05:36:11 <Bmyers> for headphones and stuff
Nov 26 05:36:47 <destinal> oil: at very least you'd think it'd be a killer app for devdays type cons :)
Nov 26 05:37:39 <destinal> unforgivably, we never even got the first quake release we did working on IP
Nov 26 05:37:52 <oil> i dont think it can be achieved with straight js though
Nov 26 05:37:58 <oil> maybe js service, but ive yet to look into them
Nov 26 05:38:01 <Bmyers> node?
Nov 26 05:38:41 <destinal> node if possible, hybrid if not, but it can definitely be done
Nov 26 05:39:38 <oil> anyways, thats my plan for dotgame xD
Nov 26 05:40:20 <Bmyers> whats your master plan? what the heck is dotgame?
Nov 26 05:40:30 <oil> the second app i ever wrote
Nov 26 05:40:34 <oil> the first game
Nov 26 05:40:44 <oil> its in the catalog for frees
Nov 26 05:41:35 <oil> havent updated it in over a year :/
Nov 26 05:41:42 <Bmyers> no application found dotgame
Nov 26 05:41:45 <oil> still managed to win $1k with it in mojohotapps
Nov 26 05:41:47 <oil> dot game?
Nov 26 05:42:05 <Bmyers> ah
Nov 26 05:42:08 <Bmyers> yes
Nov 26 05:42:30 <destinal> oil: awesome.  I should have done something cool with both rounds of hot apps but my priorities are obviously skewed :)
Nov 26 05:42:37 <Bmyers> it's right in the middle of my price range. i'll try it out
Nov 26 05:42:44 <oil> destinal: not like i tried to win xD
Nov 26 05:42:49 <oil> it just happened
Nov 26 05:43:09 <Bmyers> i got edged out by boob and fart apps :(
Nov 26 05:43:16 <oil> :/
Nov 26 05:43:18 <destinal> oil: nothing for blocked though?
Nov 26 05:43:24 <oil> destinal: nope
Nov 26 05:43:30 <destinal> blocked rules
Nov 26 05:43:39 <oil> but like i said, its been over a year since ive touched either of them
Nov 26 05:44:30 <destinal> oil: like doing a decent terminal for the pdk hot apps would probably have done pretty well..
Nov 26 05:44:43 <oil> yeah
Nov 26 05:45:14 <sugardave> oh there, keyboard works
Nov 26 05:45:18 <sugardave> cool
Nov 26 05:45:26 <rwhitby> Bmyers: there is an UberKernel available for the Pre 2.  If you're keen, you can test it for me.
Nov 26 05:45:40 <Bmyers> sure. for govnah ?
Nov 26 05:46:10 <destinal> rwhitby: no overclocking but compcache etc is there?
Nov 26 05:46:15 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 26 05:46:32 <rwhitby> no temp monitoring yet though, the location of the temp sensor has changed
Nov 26 05:46:45 <rwhitby> but since there is no overclocking, the lack of temp sensor is not critical
Nov 26 05:47:13 <Bmyers> what does that leave you with in uberkernel?
Nov 26 05:47:36 <rwhitby> all the other stuff that no-one ever thinks about or mentions :)
Nov 26 05:47:43 <oil> lol
Nov 26 05:47:45 <Bmyers> awesome
Nov 26 05:47:55 <sugardave> so, I was also able to pair with my wife's katana...what do you suppose for, obex?
Nov 26 05:47:57 <Bmyers> where does that live in ?
Nov 26 05:48:02 * Tibfib used to play blocked like none other
Nov 26 05:48:03 <KGF2009> On the topic of overclocking, what dangers are there of overclocking, exactly? I know it's not necessarily good for it, but what exactly does it do?
Nov 26 05:48:10 <rwhitby> the most important of which is just the fact that we can recompile the kernel from source and it works.
Nov 26 05:48:14 <destinal> Bmyers: compcache is actually really awesome if you have lots of cpu but could use more RAM like pre
Nov 26 05:48:48 <Bmyers> destinal: right yeah. open cards thing?
Nov 26 05:49:21 <destinal> yeah, in general you can have more stuff open at once
Nov 26 05:50:33 <Bmyers> i need to enable alpha or something? not seeing uberkernal
Nov 26 05:53:52 * destinal sleep.
Nov 26 05:54:14 <rwhitby> Bmyers: ah, Preware hasn't been updated to show Pre2-only packages yet.
Nov 26 05:54:36 <rwhitby> are you in a position where you will be happy to doctor the device if it doesn't work?
Nov 26 05:55:12 <Bmyers> depends, are you in a position to help me doctor it if it bricks?
Nov 26 05:55:42 <rwhitby> nope, you need to be able to do that yourself before we can begin this :)
Nov 26 05:56:03 <Bmyers> there is a 2.0 doctor? just got released right?
Nov 26 05:56:19 <sugardave> Bmyers: you can get the doctor for your phone
Nov 26 05:56:23 <sugardave> just need the s/n
Nov 26 05:56:32 <Bmyers> from palm?
Nov 26 05:56:35 <sugardave> yep
Nov 26 05:56:47 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Nov 26 05:56:52 <sugardave> I doctored to 2.0.0 before I activated the phone
Nov 26 05:56:57 <Bmyers> thats what i thought
Nov 26 05:57:04 <sugardave> oh and there, too :D
Nov 26 05:57:13 <Bmyers> i made some progress tonight just getting it activate with app cat , etc
Nov 26 05:57:26 <Bmyers> i think i'll enjoy that much for a day or two
Nov 26 05:58:17 <sugardave> rwhitby: what's the worst that can happen, need to doctor the phone and do an update again?
Nov 26 05:58:52 <Bmyers>  think it can give you ED if you're not careful
Nov 26 05:59:02 <Bmyers> it's very alpha
Nov 26 05:59:21 <rwhitby> worst is that you need to doctor to 2.0.1
Nov 26 05:59:30 <sugardave> I haven't ever oc'ed beore, so I'm a n00b
Nov 26 05:59:43 <sugardave> === good tester
Nov 26 06:00:03 * halfhalo supposedly oc
Nov 26 06:00:11 <halfhalo> 'ed, but never actually paid attention to it
Nov 26 06:00:30 <Bmyers> doesnt look too bad
Nov 26 06:00:54 <Bmyers> but it's late for me. maybe i'll try it tomorrow instead of talking to inlaws all day
Nov 26 06:01:42 <sugardave> hehe
Nov 26 06:01:48 <Bmyers>  its 1 am and I ate so much i think tomorrow will have to be done in two sittings..
Nov 26 06:01:55 * halfhalo would try it if he could.  Instead, he will go and try and get the god from under the bed
Nov 26 06:03:03 <Bmyers> rwhitby: so where is the 2.0 stuff in preware?
Nov 26 06:03:25 <rwhitby> what 2.0 stuff?
Nov 26 06:04:24 <Bmyers> uberkernel
Nov 26 06:06:31 <sugardave> updating to preware 1.4.4...
Nov 26 06:07:40 <k[t> anyone ever have a problem with pixi or palm not registering to a machine when plugged in via usb
Nov 26 06:07:53 <k[t> s/*$/?/
Nov 26 06:08:01 <rwhitby> many people do.
Nov 26 06:08:03 <sugardave> k[t: yes, just tonight...because I forgot to put dev mode back on
Nov 26 06:08:35 <rwhitby> usually because they are not following the instructions in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app ;)
Nov 26 06:09:03 * halfhalo doesn't use a webos phone as a main phone, yet he bought that app anyway to show support
Nov 26 06:09:07 <k[t> hmm, that would be nice. but not, usually in /var/log/syslog, whenever the pixi is plugged in, it registers and verbose info is printed to syslog -- and i would see the palm device using "$ lsusb". but for some reason, it's just not going...
Nov 26 06:09:21 <k[t> well i'm borked then...
Nov 26 06:10:39 * halfhalo is waiting for wirc in the appcat so he can buy it
Nov 26 06:11:35 <Bmyers> i dont think wirc be be in the app cat anytime soon
Nov 26 06:11:55 * halfhalo is patient.
Nov 26 06:12:02 <halfhalo> Well, I'm not, but still
Nov 26 06:12:13 <k[t> well then, thanks anyway guys. l8r
Nov 26 06:12:38 * rwhitby wonders what k[t's question was
Nov 26 06:13:22 <Bmyers> well, thanks for the help w/ preware again Rod.
Nov 26 06:13:27 <k[t> it really was none. but not i cannot use novaterm; and if you really want to know, i have no clue what my question is because i can't even define it.
Nov 26 06:13:27 * rick-home thinks it's impossible to know.
Nov 26 06:13:28 <Bmyers> u da man...
Nov 26 06:14:31 <k[t> basically, my device is not registering to any machine it's plugged into via usb, but it will still charge -- and i can't even get into usb mode with opt-sym-u ... so idk...
Nov 26 06:14:32 <rwhitby> Bmyers: you can find the pre2 kernels in the testing directory on ipkg.preware.org until we update Preware to show Pre2-only packages
Nov 26 06:14:51 <Bmyers> gotcha. thx
Nov 26 06:15:01 <rick-home> k[t  is there anything on the phone that is irreplaceabvle?
Nov 26 06:15:04 <rwhitby> k[t: since you haven't given us any concrete information about your situation, it's difficult to help
Nov 26 06:15:04 <sugardave> I cannot find them
Nov 26 06:15:21 * sugardave is probably looking in the wrong place.
Nov 26 06:15:33 <k[t> rick-home: no -- rwhitby: i understand..
Nov 26 06:15:53 <rwhitby> sugardave: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/2.0.1/
Nov 26 06:15:57 <rick-home> k[t  then doctor it.  using the emergency power switch reset mote technique
Nov 26 06:16:06 <rick-home> mode
Nov 26 06:16:07 <Bmyers> it's the larger one i suspect? nov 26 00:34 ?
Nov 26 06:16:16 <k[t> i don't think it's the phone...
Nov 26 06:16:17 <sugardave> rwhitby: ah, I have preware.is.awesome.com
Nov 26 06:16:35 <rwhitby> sugardave: that means you mistyped the feed name
Nov 26 06:16:52 <oil> too bad we dont actually own awesome.com to make the preware.is subdomain
Nov 26 06:16:59 <rick-home> k[t  why is that?  when you plug the phone into a computer, it isn't asking you if you want usb or just charge mode, right?
Nov 26 06:17:07 <k[t> and i don't think it's the computer... so idk...
Nov 26 06:17:14 <sugardave> rwhitby: ah, will check it
Nov 26 06:17:33 <rick-home> k[t  there are only three possibilities.  computer, cable or phone.
Nov 26 06:17:38 <rwhitby> oil: how's the machineName going ;)
Nov 26 06:17:48 <Bmyers> or loose nut behind the kb
Nov 26 06:18:01 <k[t> i have the patch "just charge by default" -- i uninstalled but it still charges by default: but -- heh, "The phone does charge when the usb cable is connected"
Nov 26 06:18:06 <rwhitby> rick-home: but many variations on each, usually based on version numbers, none of which have been given ...
Nov 26 06:18:12 <rick-home> the USB cable has 2 pairs of wire, one carries data, the other charge,  if the center wires are broken, then you can't connecto to a computer, but the phone will charge.
Nov 26 06:18:22 * oil is hoping if he procrastinates on it enough palm will fix their broken modelNameAscii value
Nov 26 06:18:34 <rwhitby> oil: I suspect they intend it to stay as Pre
Nov 26 06:18:40 <oil> ;(
Nov 26 06:18:46 <rwhitby> since for app catalog apps, it's identical, right?
Nov 26 06:18:54 <k[t> rick-home: so i should invest in a new cable... thanks
Nov 26 06:18:58 <rick-home> k[t  just charge by default does not keep the phone from being connected to via novaterm.
Nov 26 06:19:11 <k[t> rick-home: ok...
Nov 26 06:19:17 <rick-home> Here's the diagnostic technique.
Nov 26 06:19:22 <rick-home> 1) uninstall the SDK.
Nov 26 06:19:32 <rick-home> 2) reboot the computer
Nov 26 06:19:33 <k[t> ...
Nov 26 06:19:37 <rick-home> 3) reinstall the sdk.
Nov 26 06:19:47 <rick-home> 4) attempt to connect to the phone via novaterm.
Nov 26 06:20:27 <k[t> hmm: step 2 seems challenging: guess i'm stuck then..
Nov 26 06:20:52 <rick-home> if that fails, then attempt to run a doctor, since the new doctors do not delete your user data.
Nov 26 06:21:08 <rwhitby> k[t: I guess you are stuck.  seems that you're not actually interested in assistance, so I wonder why you are here.
Nov 26 06:21:24 <rick-home> and if THAT fails, then you invest in a new computer.
Nov 26 06:21:28 <rick-home> ooops new cable
Nov 26 06:21:41 <k[t> :no clue -- guess i'll walk into that dark circle right behind you...
Nov 26 06:21:49 <Bmyers> i'm gonna call it a nite. thanks again for all the pr2 help guys. I appreciate it.. l8R
Nov 26 06:22:30 <rwhitby> k[t: ok, good luck with that.
Nov 26 06:22:48 <rick-home> well, have fun then k[t  ---  We've never seen a phone with a failed USB port, it's ALWAYS fixable.
Nov 26 06:24:26 <k[t> technically: this turned out to be a big help -- rick-home explained some options i might have; but since some steps are a problem, i'm unable to complete the repair. so .....
Nov 26 06:24:42 <rick-home> what step can't you complete?
Nov 26 06:24:51 <k[t> s/complete/attempt/
Nov 26 06:24:55 <k[t> reboot..
Nov 26 06:25:05 <rick-home> why can you not reboot the computer running the SDK?
Nov 26 06:25:25 <k[t> something like that...
Nov 26 06:25:34 <k[t> well thanks again guys... appreciate it...
Nov 26 06:25:41 <rwhitby> well, in addition to version numbers, we don't even know what type of computer it is or what OS it is running
Nov 26 06:25:50 <rick-home> ok, you utterly lost me there.   Have fun anyway.
Nov 26 06:25:53 <rick-home> good point rwhitby
Nov 26 06:25:54 <rwhitby> people always seem to think we have crystal balls
Nov 26 06:26:13 <torchie> well
Nov 26 06:26:19 <rick-home> I guess I do end-user tech support so much that my crystal ball is usually well polished.
Nov 26 06:26:29 <torchie> somehow my pre works
Nov 26 06:26:52 <rick-home> and a lot of my debugging techniques were developed assuming end-users who are both incapable of following basic instructions AND answering simple questions.  :-)
Nov 26 06:27:01 <rick-home> torchie  CONGRATS
Nov 26 06:27:11 <torchie> D:
Nov 26 06:27:12 <torchie> :D?
Nov 26 06:27:38 * oil crystal ball just shows me whats on the other side of hte room, but upsidedown
Nov 26 06:35:11 <k[t> rick-home you f'n genius: luckily  my sister is here for thanksgiving and she has a pre -- i just tried her cord... and everything is green... something obviously is borked about my cord...
Nov 26 06:35:19 <k[t> guess i'll be buying a new one...
Nov 26 06:37:28 <k[t> the thing is, i always ball my cord up into my backpack because i'm constantly travelling; so i'm guessing somehow the wire you speak of data is borked...
Nov 26 06:37:30 <k[t> l8r
Nov 26 07:04:48 <rick-home> Ha.   and people say I am not an uber-genius.  :-)
Nov 26 07:05:13 <rick-home> ::gives crystal ball another polish for good luck.::
Nov 26 07:06:46 * rwhitby bows down to rick-home
Nov 26 07:46:16 <LoneStar99> howdy bros
Nov 26 07:49:32 <hotdp> Good morning
Nov 26 07:51:40 <LoneStar99> morning hotdp
Nov 26 07:52:33 * hotdp had a hard time comming to the job because of snow..
Nov 26 07:53:11 <LoneStar99> snow is kinda bummer, unless it is a vacation
Nov 26 07:53:54 <hotdp> yer
Nov 26 07:54:31 <LoneStar99> where is the job at?
Nov 26 07:56:12 <hotdp> Its about 10 mins from where i live :)
Nov 26 07:56:31 <LoneStar99> oh, well that is not bad
Nov 26 07:56:43 <LoneStar99> i thought like a world away
Nov 26 07:56:54 <hotdp> noo :D
Nov 26 07:57:04 <hotdp> but i use a bicycle
Nov 26 07:57:12 <LoneStar99> right on, brb in 5
Nov 26 07:57:13 <hotdp> so its very hard when there is alot of snow
Nov 26 07:57:54 <LoneStar99> yeah it would seem like it unless u drive a snow blower
Nov 26 08:01:29 <JenP> hi all
Nov 26 08:01:43 <hotdp> Good morning JenP
Nov 26 08:01:54 <JenP> hi hotdp. how are you
Nov 26 08:03:29 <hotdp> fine, you?
Nov 26 08:03:38 <JenP> great!
Nov 26 08:10:33 * dkirker-pre is a stuffed dkirker
Nov 26 08:10:36 <LoneStar99> hotdp so did you except the job?
Nov 26 08:10:53 <hotdp> hmm ?
Nov 26 08:11:19 <LoneStar99> you still thinking about it?
Nov 26 08:11:37 <hotdp> The mobile "leader" thing?
Nov 26 08:12:03 <LoneStar99> the snow bound one?
Nov 26 08:12:09 <hotdp> lol
Nov 26 08:12:49 <LoneStar99> lol with you
Nov 26 08:13:49 <LoneStar99> i think is time to go back to the us here, will leave MX in the  5 days
Nov 26 08:14:02 <LoneStar99> us = US
Nov 26 08:15:05 <LoneStar99> alright gonna crash, need to run at a park in the morning
Nov 26 08:15:48 <LoneStar99> chat laters, you all boys and girls have a good day/ night
Nov 26 08:17:05 <dgathright> Any thoughts on why my laptop can't access the HTTP server running through Node on my Pre2?  hitting http://192.168.1.113:3000 works inside the Pre2's browser, but not via my laptop on the same network.
Nov 26 08:18:25 <SineOtter> Iptables firewall?
Nov 26 08:19:50 <dgathright> in the Pre?
Nov 26 08:20:08 <SineOtter> If I had to guess the device isn't exposing that port to any interfaces but the loopback
Nov 26 08:20:14 <SineOtter> Yeah, on the pre
Nov 26 08:20:36 <dgathright> makes sense for security reasons to do that by default
Nov 26 08:21:07 <dgathright> otherwise malware would have a field day with webOS, I guess.
Nov 26 08:23:17 <dgathright> Here's the iptables dump - http://pastebin.com/B3sxEjN3
Nov 26 08:23:23 <dgathright> Gonna have to brush up on my networking
Nov 26 08:29:19 <SineOtter> The Pre has a really, really obvious capacitive touch layer
Nov 26 08:29:33 <SineOtter> I keep thinking something is on the screen :c
Nov 26 08:40:26 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 26 08:42:04 <hotdp> morning swisstomcat
Nov 26 08:42:10 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Nov 26 08:42:16 <MetaView> moin
Nov 26 08:42:26 <hotdp> MetaView deutch?
Nov 26 08:42:34 <MetaView> ja, Deutsch
Nov 26 08:42:42 <MetaView> kein Dänisch ;)
Nov 26 08:42:55 <hotdp> :) here its "mojn"
Nov 26 08:43:04 <MetaView> mojn
Nov 26 08:43:30 <hotdp> But only in south Denmark where it has been german property :P
Nov 26 08:43:32 <MetaView> moin is nothern german accent
Nov 26 08:43:39 <hotdp> i know :)
Nov 26 08:43:47 <hotdp> we just spell it differen
Nov 26 08:44:09 <swisstomcat> moin
Nov 26 08:44:19 <MetaView> and probably speak it in a completly different way
Nov 26 08:45:12 * hotdp did not know there where people from Germany in here
Nov 26 08:45:16 <MetaView> I just watch the map of Denmark
Nov 26 08:46:05 <MetaView> Actually I once drived by car over night from Berlin to Göteborg and used the land way, there I passed Odense, as I see
Nov 26 08:46:15 <hotdp> :)
Nov 26 08:46:24 <swisstomcat> i've passed denmark too, on my way to stockholm (by car)
Nov 26 08:46:25 <MetaView> that was a great trip...
Nov 26 08:46:34 <hotdp> cool
Nov 26 08:46:47 <MetaView> swisstomcat: took the ferry?
Nov 26 08:47:04 <swisstomcat> no, the new bridge
Nov 26 08:47:15 <swisstomcat> well, the first time i took the ferry
Nov 26 08:47:51 <MetaView> My family took the ferry, Kiel-Göteborg and I used the land way to go to Göteborg (except ferry Helsingör/Helsingborg)
Nov 26 08:48:14 <hotdp> what did you do in Göteborg ?
Nov 26 08:48:22 <MetaView> swisstomcat: the bridge is between denmark and sweden, the shortest way from Germany to Denmark is the ferry
Nov 26 08:48:30 <swisstomcat> oh
Nov 26 08:48:34 <swisstomcat> can't remember
Nov 26 08:48:42 <MetaView> We have friends in Göteborg, my girlfriend studied there
Nov 26 08:48:43 <swisstomcat> at least once i went through denmark
Nov 26 08:49:47 <MetaView> there is a Viborg in Denmark, I was once in Viborg, but in Russia ;(
Nov 26 08:49:50 <MetaView> ;)
Nov 26 08:54:23 <hotdp> Russia, was it good?
Nov 26 08:54:46 <MetaView> interesting, would want to move there
Nov 26 08:56:08 <hotdp> MOVE to russia?
Nov 26 08:56:26 <MetaView> Viborg is close to the finnish border, a bit out of the center, therefore not a rich as St Petersburg or Moskau
Nov 26 08:56:40 <MetaView> ups, wouldn't want to move...
Nov 26 08:56:48 <MetaView> sry :)
Nov 26 11:51:07 <hotdp> swisstomcat: http://androidcommunity.com/sharp-is03-sees-450000-japanese-pre-orders-20101125/
Nov 26 12:09:08 <swisstomcat> hmm
Nov 26 12:09:13 <swisstomcat> high-resolution display
Nov 26 12:10:19 <hotdp> yer
Nov 26 12:10:21 <hotdp> retina
Nov 26 12:10:23 <hotdp> its nice
Nov 26 12:38:26 <torchie> retineers
Nov 26 14:07:21 <Bmyers> everyone must be out shopping the door buster sales
Nov 26 14:08:19 <hotdp> hehe
Nov 26 14:08:23 <hotdp> blackfriday
Nov 26 14:08:27 <hotdp> why do you call it that?
Nov 26 14:09:23 <wastrel> because there's so much retail done today that businesses go "in the black" on their accounting
Nov 26 14:14:30 <swisstomcat> heh
Nov 26 14:14:35 <swisstomcat> no black friday here
Nov 26 14:15:00 <Bmyers> its THE america consumer day to consume..
Nov 26 14:16:49 <Bmyers> hotpd , i wimped out and borrow a sim car to activate my pre2
Nov 26 14:17:10 <Bmyers> at least i have 2.0.1 and app cat access now
Nov 26 14:17:19 <hotdp> cool
Nov 26 14:17:37 <hotdp> So do you wonna use it as "phone" ?
Nov 26 14:17:40 <hotdp> i rellay like my pre 2
Nov 26 14:17:58 <Bmyers> not that important to me to use as phone
Nov 26 14:18:01 <wastrel> still no pre2 on verizon :[
Nov 26 14:18:13 <Bmyers> just wanted app cat access on some development phon
Nov 26 14:18:26 <hotdp> wastrel buy it from the store
Nov 26 14:19:21 <wastrel> i don't think that it would work on verizon
Nov 26 14:19:30 <Bmyers> anyone else check out the phonegap beta online build system?
Nov 26 14:19:43 <hotdp> wastrel why not? version is gsm?
Nov 26 14:19:55 <hotdp> Bmyers i got access but have not had time to test yet
Nov 26 14:20:16 <swisstomcat> bmyers: tested it but ran into some troubles
Nov 26 14:20:26 <Bmyers> swisstomcat:  did you break it?
Nov 26 14:20:38 <swisstomcat> nah
Nov 26 14:20:42 <swisstomcat> they had some troubles with it
Nov 26 14:20:48 <swisstomcat> have to test it again
Nov 26 14:21:14 <Bmyers> the guy at devdays said the had 4-5 k ppl sign up last month for the beta program
Nov 26 14:21:21 <swisstomcat> wow
Nov 26 14:21:28 <swisstomcat> there's also apparat.io
Nov 26 14:21:35 <swisstomcat> no palm support there yet tho
Nov 26 14:22:16 <Bmyers> apparat.io says it has webos ?
Nov 26 14:22:32 <swisstomcat> not yet
Nov 26 14:22:59 <Bmyers> its got a  little palm icon on the homepage
Nov 26 14:24:18 <swisstomcat> yeah, i assume that they're working on it
Nov 26 14:24:39 * hotdp would like to have weekend soon
Nov 26 14:29:00 <hotdp> welcome LoneStar99
Nov 26 14:29:16 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp
Nov 26 14:30:03 <LoneStar99> how you doing this fine day
Nov 26 14:30:16 <hotdp> crap
Nov 26 14:30:24 <hotdp> would like to have weekend
Nov 26 14:30:25 <hotdp> NOW!
Nov 26 14:34:43 <LoneStar99> hotdp: pretty lame stuff going on?
Nov 26 14:35:57 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
Nov 26 14:38:02 <swisstomcat> testing phonegap build
Nov 26 14:38:05 <swisstomcat> seems to work this time
Nov 26 14:40:45 <pc-world> I have the following JS code: http://pastebin.com/jv5A9xz3with this view: http://pastebin.com/rf16qEsT - I get the error "TypeError: Cannot call method 'setAttribute' of null", but only if the <span> with id "icon" is nested into the header. Ideas?
Nov 26 14:52:14 <swisstomcat> bmyers: did the ipk built by build.phonegap.com work for you?
Nov 26 15:00:54 <Bmyers> swisstomcat:  trying to install the apps now in my palm and android
Nov 26 15:01:12 <swisstomcat> doesn't seem to work for me (the ipk file)
Nov 26 15:01:17 <Bmyers> phonegap app wont launch
Nov 26 15:01:26 <swisstomcat> same here
Nov 26 15:01:30 <swisstomcat> stuck at the glowing icon?
Nov 26 15:01:36 <Bmyers> yup
Nov 26 15:01:48 <swisstomcat> if i do a "normal" phonegap make, it works
Nov 26 15:01:53 <swisstomcat> trying to find the difference
Nov 26 15:01:59 <Bmyers> local you mean?
Nov 26 15:02:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 26 15:06:12 <Bmyers> android app works
Nov 26 15:12:51 <Bmyers> swisstomcat: are you installing the phonegapp on pre 1 or pre 2?
Nov 26 15:18:00 <swisstomcat> bmyers: i tried both
Nov 26 15:23:19 <Bmyers> evo app worked anyway..
Nov 26 15:24:05 <swisstomcat> i'm posting to the mailing list
Nov 26 15:24:16 <wastrel> smartphone
Nov 26 15:32:50 <Bmyers> swisstomcat: the google one?
Nov 26 15:36:42 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 26 15:43:44 <pc-world> I have the following JS code for declaring a JSON object: http://pastebin.com/guYBE9Hh - How can I make the condition, so that if it's false, no element is added (and no empty one too)? Is this possible without doing the condition outside the declaration of the variable?
Nov 26 15:51:11 <swisstomcat> hmm
Nov 26 15:55:26 <Bmyers> swisstomcat:  just signed up for the google forum. i have no access :(
Nov 26 15:55:38 <swisstomcat> yeah, they have to approve you
Nov 26 15:56:18 <Bmyers> i am sure my name was hotpd (\O/) they would have approved me already..
Nov 26 16:03:10 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 26 16:06:22 <Bmyers> they should have named it PhoneGapp
Nov 26 16:09:33 <Bmyers> maybe i'll try a fashionable scarf and reapply to the phonegap forum as HotBmyers and see if I get approved more quickly
Nov 26 16:17:26 <swisstomcat> they're in canada, so it might take a while not matter what
Nov 26 16:30:18 <Bmyers> They guy who spoke at devdays was like "well snowboard season just started up so dont expect much progress"
Nov 26 16:37:29 <swisstomcat> bmyers: hehe .. brian leroux?
Nov 26 16:37:56 <solix> haha
Nov 26 16:38:19 <popkin> Wish I didn't miss devdays.
Nov 26 17:29:09 <sugardave> I screwed up my Pre 2 activation status...had to doctor and no data left on my go card, can't finish activation
Nov 26 17:29:36 <sugardave> I wonder why we can't use wifi to log in to a Palm profile, it sucks
Nov 26 19:05:42 <kesne> Hey all!
Nov 26 19:25:44 <swisstomcat> hey
Nov 26 19:28:12 <kesne> What is the right way to update lists?
Nov 26 19:31:49 <swisstomcat> modelChanged?
Nov 26 19:40:43 <kesne> I thought there was a different way to do it?
Nov 26 19:41:00 <popkin> Quiet in here... Is it always like this or is it a Friday thing?
Nov 26 19:42:11 <wastrel> prolly thanksgiving
Nov 26 19:43:35 <kesne> It's usually a bit more than this
Nov 26 19:46:10 <popkin> Oh right... Forgot Thanksgiving
Nov 26 19:48:02 <wastrel> even software developers have families
Nov 26 19:48:25 <popkin> Yes
Nov 26 19:49:39 <sugardave> kesne: mojo practice is to always update the widget model and then call modelchanged
Nov 26 19:49:42 <sugardave> always
Nov 26 19:50:15 <kesne> I thought you were suppose to do something like noticeUpdatedItems?
Nov 26 19:50:26 <sugardave> though with lists, I think you can mess around with manually adding things to the items array and using some of the methods, like setLengthAndInvalidate, etc.
Nov 26 19:50:47 <sugardave> you can do that, I guess...but I think it handles the modelchanged for you in that case
Nov 26 19:50:50 <sugardave> never used it, though
Nov 26 20:17:41 * oil does setLength
Nov 26 20:22:28 <kesne> oil: Any advantages of that?
Nov 26 20:22:46 * oil does both
Nov 26 20:22:53 <kesne> So no?
Nov 26 20:23:11 <oil> i found without doing the setLength thing, it had problems
Nov 26 20:26:09 <oil> (for list anyways)
Nov 26 20:26:24 <oil> for most widgets modelChanged is good, but for list widget i do noticeUpdatedItems then setLength
Nov 26 20:38:51 <dawm> lamr
Nov 26 20:38:53 <dawm> lame
Nov 26 20:38:53 <dawm> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/bestbuy/posts/473183997021
Nov 26 20:39:05 <dawm> why they gotta leave webOS out of the fun..
Nov 26 20:42:33 <sugardave> why they gotta make it so goddamn difficult to change a Palm profile?
Nov 26 20:48:33 <techrush> dawm, least favorite part about palm devices now is being left out of stuff like that just due to lack of market/mindshare
Nov 26 21:04:52 <MetaView> hiho
Nov 26 21:05:19 <MetaView> sugardave: what's complicated to change a profile?
Nov 26 21:05:47 <sugardave> MetaView: can't do it?  I needed to bypass first use because I'm out of data on this sim
Nov 26 21:05:54 <sugardave> so now I had a dr-skipped profile
Nov 26 21:06:01 <sugardave> and running first use just shows me how to use gestures
Nov 26 21:06:22 <MetaView> oh, you want a profile without dataconnection?
Nov 26 21:06:38 <MetaView> don't you have cheap prepaid SIM?
Nov 26 21:06:45 <sugardave> I had to doctor my pre, and can't log into it
Nov 26 21:06:54 <sugardave> yeah, but I don't need to add money to it if I can just solve this
Nov 26 21:07:09 <sugardave> almost there, would have it done this time, but I forgot to re-enable first use in my meta-doctor
Nov 26 21:07:13 <sugardave> duh
Nov 26 21:07:25 <sugardave> but, I have wifi working, so I think this should work
Nov 26 21:07:28 <sugardave> we'll see soon
Nov 26 21:07:55 <MetaView> good luck
Nov 26 21:27:17 <sugardave> I think I have succeeded
Nov 26 21:27:33 <rwhitby> sugardave: yeah, if you have your wifi profile preloaded, you don't need to bypass first use :)
Nov 26 21:28:16 <sugardave> rwhitby: that is a handy feature, for sure
Nov 26 21:28:54 <sugardave> and a must for get Preware to auto-install :D
Nov 26 21:29:02 <rwhitby> I usually have wifi, ssh, preware and testing feeds enabled.
Nov 26 21:29:21 <rwhitby> it's pretty darn sweet, even if I do say so myself.
Nov 26 21:29:47 <sugardave> it is, for sure...I think I've doctored more in the last 16 hours than I have in the last 16 months
Nov 26 21:31:20 <sugardave> rwhitby: when the readme says ~/.ssh dir does that mean on the host machine and not root's home on the device?
Nov 26 21:31:54 <sugardave> rwhitby: not readme, the makefile
Nov 26 21:33:58 <rwhitby> host machine
Nov 26 21:34:52 <sugardave> rwhitby: okay, that ssh_auth_keys sounds bad-ass, too
Nov 26 21:35:18 <rwhitby> it is
Nov 26 21:36:08 * sugardave makes a new meta-doctor for next time.
Nov 26 23:05:55 <sugardave> Tibfib: ping
Nov 26 23:16:22 <dawm> http://www.wikihow.com/Vomit-While-Driving
Nov 26 23:19:02 <kesne> mugen-: Was it you I gave villo.js to?
Nov 26 23:19:27 <mugen-> kese: tyup
Nov 26 23:19:28 <mugen-> yup
Nov 26 23:19:31 <mugen-> sorry...
Nov 26 23:34:49 <jkovacs> huhu
Nov 26 23:37:13 <JenP> hi all
Nov 26 23:38:11 <kesne> mugen-: Want the latest version?
Nov 26 23:38:24 <mugen-> yes please
Nov 26 23:38:36 <mugen-> :)
Nov 26 23:42:52 <oil> hey JenP
Nov 26 23:42:59 <JenP> hi oil!
Nov 26 23:48:20 <kesne> JenP!
Nov 26 23:48:29 <JenP> kesne!!
Nov 26 23:48:34 <kesne> How's it going?
Nov 26 23:48:48 <JenP> very well. how was your holiday?
Nov 26 23:48:54 <kesne> Pretty great!
Nov 26 23:48:56 <kesne> And yours?
Nov 26 23:49:06 <JenP> wonderful
Nov 26 23:49:11 <kesne> good!
Nov 26 23:49:16 <JenP> LOL
Nov 26 23:49:24 <JenP> what are you up too?
Nov 26 23:49:29 <kesne> Working on Villo
Nov 26 23:49:35 <kesne> Writing the messaging API
Nov 26 23:49:37 <JenP> what's that?
Nov 26 23:49:42 <kesne> Online services
Nov 26 23:49:52 <kesne> For apps
Nov 26 23:49:56 <kesne> And web-based apps
Nov 26 23:49:58 <JenP> cool
Nov 26 23:54:13 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omr4VRW1RBE
Nov 26 23:56:57 <dawm> this guy is actually kinda good
Nov 26 23:56:57 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-aHb8M3HM&feature=fvw
Nov 27 00:06:45 <codeslaw> sup
Nov 27 00:15:14 <codeslaw> can we test meta taps in the emulator?
Nov 27 00:24:45 <kesne> codeslaw: I think so, I just don't remember how
Nov 27 00:25:05 <kesne> if not, just call it on mouseup, and the change to metatap when you are sure it works
Nov 27 00:25:23 <codeslaw> already doing it with space bar
Nov 27 00:27:22 <kesne> ah
Nov 27 00:36:44 <Tibfib> sugardave: pong
Nov 27 01:24:12 <kesne> Tibfib: You around?
Nov 27 01:24:39 <Tibfib> yeah
Nov 27 02:08:38 <sugardave> Tibfib: last night you asked if flex boxes work in webOS...the answer is, awesomely, yes
Nov 27 02:08:54 <Tibfib> in 1.4.5??
Nov 27 02:08:59 <sugardave> yes
Nov 27 02:09:03 <Tibfib> whoa, slick!
Nov 27 02:09:17 <sugardave> at least for my simple horizontal and vertical tests
Nov 27 02:09:21 <sugardave> yeah, it's pretty cool
Nov 27 02:15:01 <Bmyers> sugardave: can i see?
Nov 27 02:16:05 <sugardave> well, I scrapped that project to start fresh and haven't re-implemented it yet
Nov 27 02:16:20 <Bmyers> then it didnt happen!!
Nov 27 02:16:24 <sugardave> heh
Nov 27 02:17:09 <Bmyers> bullshitter
Nov 27 02:17:35 <sugardave> hang on, let me see if I can copy out of there
Nov 27 02:18:06 <Bmyers> no no...
Nov 27 02:18:15 <Bmyers> dont want to call you on your BS
Nov 27 02:18:18 <Bmyers> nvm
Nov 27 02:18:24 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:18:25 <Bmyers> :)
Nov 27 02:18:36 <Bmyers> hey Jenp
Nov 27 02:18:43 <JenP> hi Bmyers!
Nov 27 02:18:47 <Bmyers> you feel like BS'n me too?
Nov 27 02:19:00 <JenP> sure....um
Nov 27 02:19:03 <JenP> oh!
Nov 27 02:19:10 <sugardave> hi JenP
Nov 27 02:19:13 <JenP> I went shopping and didn't buy any shoes
Nov 27 02:19:17 <JenP> hello sugardave!
Nov 27 02:19:18 <sugardave> major BS
Nov 27 02:19:26 <Bmyers> did you does some wiz-bang webos stuff you cant prove too ?
Nov 27 02:19:42 <Bmyers> yeah. BS for sure
Nov 27 02:19:53 <JenP> no no really
Nov 27 02:20:03 * JenP shakes head ernestly
Nov 27 02:20:10 <Bmyers> yeah yeah
Nov 27 02:20:13 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:20:15 <Bmyers> big puppy eyes...
Nov 27 02:20:18 <Bmyers> i know
Nov 27 02:20:25 <JenP> ok....may be 1 pair of shoes
Nov 27 02:20:41 <Bmyers> like saying someone has only 1 tat
Nov 27 02:20:46 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:21:23 <Bmyers> the only store I've been near in the past 2 days sold gas and stale bear claws
Nov 27 02:21:35 <Bmyers> it was awesome
Nov 27 02:21:48 <JenP> lol...the stores weren't very crowded. I was surprised
Nov 27 02:23:08 <Bmyers> i did the whole over the river (hudson river) and thru the woods thing to my wifes moms house in WAY update NY
Nov 27 02:23:18 <Bmyers> upstate..
Nov 27 02:23:27 <JenP> food good?
Nov 27 02:23:40 <Bmyers> GREAT food
Nov 27 02:23:55 <Bmyers> inlaws were not bad either.
Nov 27 02:24:05 <Bmyers> actually had a good time
Nov 27 02:24:08 <Bmyers> you?
Nov 27 02:24:27 <sugardave> Bmyers: http://twitpic.com/3aim9c
Nov 27 02:24:34 <JenP> lol...work has me so crazy i forgot about thanksgiving
Nov 27 02:24:36 <sugardave> and the html: http://webos.pastebin.com/hEjFzSD8
Nov 27 02:24:46 <sugardave> and the relevant css: http://webos.pastebin.com/DRUdkGSH
Nov 27 02:24:51 <sugardave> easy as pie
Nov 27 02:24:55 <Bmyers> sweet
Nov 27 02:25:06 <Bmyers> and here i thought your were FOS
Nov 27 02:25:12 <sugardave> hang on and I'll show you the pixi screen
Nov 27 02:26:19 <Bmyers> did you forget about black friday too JenP  ?
Nov 27 02:26:45 <JenP> no that one i remembered
Nov 27 02:27:03 <Bmyers> so not a total loss. it was in the news paper
Nov 27 02:27:28 <JenP> agreed
Nov 27 02:27:41 <JenP> and now i'm attempting to play with databases again...
Nov 27 02:27:52 <Bmyers> oh boy...
Nov 27 02:28:10 <Bmyers> such a playa
Nov 27 02:28:13 <JenP> smiles....
Nov 27 02:28:14 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:28:22 <sugardave> Bmyers: http://twitpic.com/3ainr9
Nov 27 02:28:22 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 27 02:28:31 <JenP> morning rod!
Nov 27 02:28:41 <Bmyers> hi Rod
Nov 27 02:28:51 <Bmyers> welcome to tomorrow
Nov 27 02:29:08 <sugardave> note that I have a 40px spacer above the first button row, so that's why it looks more uneven in the pixi shot
Nov 27 02:29:11 <rwhitby> tomorrow arvo even
Nov 27 02:30:52 <Bmyers> sugardave:  where's the css?
Nov 27 02:31:01 <sugardave> and the relevant css: http://webos.pastebin.com/DRUdkGSH
Nov 27 02:31:07 <Bmyers> ty
Nov 27 02:31:32 <Bmyers> looks nice and smooth
Nov 27 02:31:37 <JenP> i discovered something interesting this weekend....
Nov 27 02:31:44 <sugardave> Bmyers: it is missing one, it's just another flex box parent to .button-wrapper with orientation veritcal
Nov 27 02:32:17 <JenP> my cat REALLY likes it when I put a heating pad in her cat bed.
Nov 27 02:32:21 <sugardave> heh
Nov 27 02:32:26 <sugardave> fire cat!
Nov 27 02:32:32 <Bmyers> mine sleeps on the radiators
Nov 27 02:32:51 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:32:55 <sugardave> when we had small kittens, they would lay on my power bricks
Nov 27 02:33:02 <JenP> ohhhhh
Nov 27 02:33:06 <Bmyers> i swear i gonna find her petrified to a piece of marble on a radiator some day
Nov 27 02:33:27 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:33:36 <Bmyers> she's like 18 yrs old
Nov 27 02:34:26 <JenP> mines 6...but she acts like she's 50
Nov 27 02:34:38 <JenP> moans and grunts like a little old woman
Nov 27 02:34:50 <Bmyers> sugardave: flex box will have made the buttons smaller or no?
Nov 27 02:35:23 <sugardave> no, those are just images with divs at their size, but I imagine two mojo buttons would get squashed
Nov 27 02:35:32 <sugardave> I know they would, actually, because I had buttons there before
Nov 27 02:35:50 <Bmyers> hmm
Nov 27 02:36:02 <Bmyers> cool man. wish i had time now to mess with that
Nov 27 02:37:06 <Bmyers> i am busy updating a website that is in desperate need of a refresh
Nov 27 02:37:25 <sugardave> I'm playing catch up for this app, supposed to have a feature-complete beta on Monday
Nov 27 02:37:43 <Bmyers> which monday?
Nov 27 02:38:04 <haeffb> dinner: 2lbs italian sausage, 1 onion diced, 2 tsp minced garlic, 1/2 tsp crushed red pepper, 1.5 can diced tomatoes, half cup cream, farfalle pasta.
Nov 27 02:38:16 <haeffb> 1 lb pasta
Nov 27 02:38:22 <haeffb> feeds four hungry guys
Nov 27 02:38:40 <JenP> nice
Nov 27 02:38:45 <haeffb> sleepy
Nov 27 02:38:56 <haeffb> out bird hunting all day
Nov 27 02:39:03 <haeffb> hi jenp
Nov 27 02:39:11 <JenP> hello haeffb
Nov 27 02:39:11 <haeffb> sugardave, Bmyers, rwhitby
Nov 27 02:39:17 <JenP> how are you?
Nov 27 02:39:21 <Bmyers> !!
Nov 27 02:39:21 <sugardave> hey haeffb
Nov 27 02:39:25 <haeffb> see above
Nov 27 02:39:26 <haeffb> sleepy
Nov 27 02:39:30 <sugardave> Bmyers: the one that is almost here
Nov 27 02:39:33 <haeffb> and full of tasty pasta
Nov 27 02:40:10 <Bmyers> haeffb: here's a recap
Nov 27 02:40:13 <JenP> sounds great
Nov 27 02:40:22 <Bmyers>  sugardave trying BS'n me about flex box
Nov 27 02:40:35 <Bmyers> rwhitby:  says tomorrow is another day
Nov 27 02:40:39 <haeffb> it's definitely not for the faint of heart.
Nov 27 02:40:50 <Bmyers> and JenP  bought shoes today (big shocker there)
Nov 27 02:40:52 <haeffb> or those worried about cholesterol
Nov 27 02:40:56 <sugardave> for easy stuff, it's not too bad
Nov 27 02:40:58 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:41:09 <sugardave> oh
Nov 27 02:41:12 <haeffb> just like any other day
Nov 27 02:41:22 <sugardave> following the wrong conversation :D
Nov 27 02:41:30 <rwhitby> tomorrow is indeed another day, I'm experiencing it now
Nov 27 02:41:35 <haeffb> sugardave, BS. JenP shoes.
Nov 27 02:41:55 <haeffb> rwhitby confirms sun rises again.
Nov 27 02:42:02 <Bmyers> yep. same usual suspects
Nov 27 02:42:09 <JenP> not just shoes...but glorious 5 inch stilletos...grey and black snake skins
Nov 27 02:42:20 <JenP> i may sleep with them tonight...
Nov 27 02:42:26 <Bmyers> i would ..
Nov 27 02:42:41 <Bmyers> they come in 12w ?
Nov 27 02:42:50 <JenP> smiles...um....i don't think so
Nov 27 02:43:11 <Bmyers> it's hard to find good shoes if you're 12w
Nov 27 02:43:12 <JenP> but you know i'd pay money to watch you walk around in them
Nov 27 02:43:26 <Bmyers> i'd take money to walk around in the,
Nov 27 02:43:27 <Bmyers> m
Nov 27 02:44:23 <Bmyers> wow.. how to quiet a room..
Nov 27 02:44:46 <Bmyers> just kidding about the shoes guys..
Nov 27 02:44:52 <Bmyers> i'd do it for free..
Nov 27 02:45:05 <rwhitby> sure ...
Nov 27 02:45:38 <Bmyers> rwhitby: hows the new kernel coming along ?
Nov 27 02:45:46 <Bmyers> lots of action i see
Nov 27 02:45:52 <rwhitby> Bmyers: it's in the feeds
Nov 27 02:46:15 <rwhitby> and the new preware can even see it
Nov 27 02:46:26 <Bmyers> still basic stuff or are the temps and clock speeds?
Nov 27 02:46:34 <rwhitby> basic
Nov 27 02:46:54 <rwhitby> waiting for Tom to get a Pre and find the temp sensor (it's moved)
Nov 27 02:47:15 <Bmyers> and quite the coin has been scared up for webosInternals
Nov 27 02:48:07 <Tibfib> no kidding!
Nov 27 02:48:09 <rwhitby> yep, $7.5K
Nov 27 02:48:18 <Bmyers> nice
Nov 27 02:48:26 <rwhitby> now we just need some coupons so we can spend it
Nov 27 02:48:36 <Bmyers> you need my coupon?
Nov 27 02:48:48 <rwhitby> you've got a spare one?
Nov 27 02:48:54 * Tibfib needs one too
Nov 27 02:48:55 <haeffb> rwhitby: impostah will allow Agenda 2.0 to access calendar data?
Nov 27 02:48:57 <JenP> coupons for what?
Nov 27 02:48:59 <Bmyers> i wont need it
Nov 27 02:49:05 <rwhitby> Bmyers: absolutely.
Nov 27 02:49:06 <Bmyers> got a free pre2
Nov 27 02:49:12 <JenP> damn you!
Nov 27 02:49:14 <Tibfib> Bmyers: do you have it?
Nov 27 02:49:16 <JenP> i want it!
Nov 27 02:49:21 <Tibfib> like actually HAVE it
Nov 27 02:49:26 <haeffb> JenP: get your own
Nov 27 02:49:29 <JenP> lol
Nov 27 02:49:31 <Tibfib> because everyone else is waiting for it by email
Nov 27 02:49:35 <JenP> if i could i would
Nov 27 02:49:40 <destinal> I didn't think anyone had coupons yet
Nov 27 02:52:40 <rwhitby> I've seen one report, and this is a second.
Nov 27 02:53:41 <JenP> I've only gotten the acknowledgement that they received my request for the coupon
Nov 27 02:55:43 * oil hasn't even gotten that
Nov 27 02:55:57 <rwhitby> Bmyers: meet destinal, destinal meet Bmyers.
Nov 27 02:56:11 <Bmyers> hi destinal
Nov 27 02:56:35 <Bmyers> destinal:  was at devdays?
Nov 27 02:56:44 <oil> nope :/
Nov 27 02:57:34 <Bmyers> too bad
Nov 27 02:57:39 <destinal> Bmyers: agreed
Nov 27 02:57:49 <destinal> I've heard awesome things about the event
Nov 27 02:58:13 <Bmyers> best part was meeting all the fine folks of the community, and sugardave
Nov 27 02:58:33 <oil> lol, a good majority of the devdays pictures ive seen posted about are of rod doing the comms swap
Nov 27 02:58:38 <destinal> lol.  the great people, and sugardave too  :)
Nov 27 02:59:37 <Bmyers> yeah and him too..
Nov 27 02:59:38 <destinal> Bmyers: yeah, family and work kept me from this devdays but I hope to go to some events next year and meet some of these people in person
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