**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 30 02:59:57 2010 Nov 30 03:03:44 helpful tip of the day: can't figure out how to spell cantaloupe? just call it a musk melon, because that's all it is. :I Nov 30 04:02:28 transitions let you do some pretty awesome stuff Nov 30 04:04:13 CSS transitions, that is Nov 30 04:11:25 yes Nov 30 04:14:29 hello is anyone there? Nov 30 04:15:19 no one but us chickens Nov 30 04:15:24 (or otters as the case may be) Nov 30 04:16:43 do chickens know anything about buttons and textfields? Nov 30 04:19:03 I'm new to web development, and I'm stuck Nov 30 04:32:06 I have returned Nov 30 05:17:26 am I dumb (probably) or can I seriously not figure out how to have an integer picker without a label Nov 30 05:18:55 also modal dialogs can go bite a rock or something equal mean Nov 30 05:21:03 what do you mean without a label? Nov 30 05:21:25 just the integer picker, the box, that's it. Nothing else. Nov 30 05:21:42 No "value" (which is what it tacks on if you leave label empty/not defined) Nov 30 05:22:06 hmm, how does the datepicker do integers? Nov 30 05:22:09 maybe that might help Nov 30 05:22:57 hmm, good idea Nov 30 05:23:43 they limit it to 1-31, but maybe it might be possible to just get one integer picker with other limits Nov 30 05:24:47 wait, you did try the IntegerPicker widget, right? Nov 30 05:24:54 that's what I'm using right now Nov 30 05:25:03 if you don't define a label, it sticks in "value" Nov 30 05:25:38 * rsanchez1 forgot to check if there was an integer picker Nov 30 05:25:45 well, whats the problem if it does have a label? Nov 30 05:26:11 Mostly aesthetics at this point Nov 30 05:27:02 it says label is optional anyway, so it shouldn't make a difference I guess Nov 30 05:28:01 you'd think Nov 30 05:28:49 I'm gonna try in Ares Nov 30 05:29:53 if it works in Ares, it should work on device right? Nov 30 05:31:09 hum, this is more complex than I thought Nov 30 05:31:42 I'm trying to give the user the option to set a timer for 5-60 minutes in the future... But it seems only timePicker and not integerPicker lets you actually set an interval for the options Nov 30 05:34:09 well, you could just not use widgets and code it from scratch in html Nov 30 05:34:27 I might. It's not like I'm not already doing that with most stuff Nov 30 05:35:43 hmm, I tried searching for prototype integer picker, and most of the results on the first few pages were webos related Nov 30 05:39:45 is there a way to pull source code from Ares that isn't Ares-related? Nov 30 05:40:05 like if I put an integer picker on screen, I get something like setupWidget(etc) Nov 30 05:40:23 I think? It gets saved in like -chrome.js Nov 30 05:40:24 or something Nov 30 05:41:22 derp, you know, I could just use a listSelector instead Nov 30 05:41:24 chrome.js is just showing me how it would look on-device Nov 30 05:41:32 I guess you could Nov 30 05:42:50 I think I'll do that. Saves me the time of coding it by hand, and I know the values I want to allow to be selected. Nov 30 05:44:38 I think the only widgets I don't code by hand are list widgets Nov 30 05:45:44 you mean not in Ares? Nov 30 05:45:49 I'm doing this in Eclipse :p Nov 30 05:49:07 no I don't normally use Ares Nov 30 05:49:16 just had that idea for the integer widget Nov 30 05:49:40 hey hey Nov 30 05:49:41 I use other custom widgets not provided by Mojo Nov 30 05:50:02 actually I use several other minor mojo widgets, but list widget is the most important mojo widget I use Nov 30 05:50:08 regular list, filter list Nov 30 05:50:17 what are some of the custom ones you use? Nov 30 05:50:57 I guess you could describe them as multi-state buttons Nov 30 05:51:08 one portion is highlighted if it's selected Nov 30 05:52:06 also like to use popup widgets Nov 30 05:52:47 mainly to get users to choose between different lists, then choose different options for list items Nov 30 05:53:19 I'd love to know my way around JS enough to do stuff like that :o Nov 30 05:53:29 * SineOt is still pretty darn fresh. Nov 30 05:54:13 I have experience with web development Nov 30 05:54:22 had to do a lot of php, html, css, javascript Nov 30 05:54:31 learned the hard way Nov 30 05:54:45 it was nice that most of it translated well to webOS Nov 30 05:55:14 just have to change the styles around a little, but most of the widgets I would use on a web page still work Nov 30 05:55:16 this is probably my first real experience with "web development" Nov 30 05:55:37 I've done HTML and CSS stuff before, but nothing too heavy... Helped with some heavy projects though Nov 30 05:55:46 Never touched JS before though! Nov 30 05:56:14 JS is how you make interesting websites Nov 30 05:56:24 unless you can hack your way around css transitions Nov 30 05:58:58 I've obviously not made interesting websites :] Nov 30 05:59:13 SineOt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5hOzyYn3w made this all in javascript, mostly :) Nov 30 05:59:33 I watched that earlier, alexfner, it's pretty awesome Nov 30 06:00:05 are you drawing on canvas? Nov 30 06:00:09 SineOt: oh nice, yeah we gots to advance the web. Websockets should bring incredible change very quickly Nov 30 06:00:11 yeah Nov 30 06:00:36 nice Nov 30 06:02:05 to do that on webos you would probably need a hybrid app Nov 30 06:02:11 connect it to regular sockets Nov 30 06:02:52 rsanchez1: yeah, which is silly Nov 30 06:03:10 there's a lot of silly in webOS right now Nov 30 06:03:11 I mean there is other stuff that we cannot talk about here :D Nov 30 06:03:11 tbh Nov 30 06:03:13 so let's not Nov 30 06:03:50 like no @font-face in 1.4.5 :( Nov 30 06:03:57 that would let me make such awesome looking apps Nov 30 06:04:15 I'm trying to learn hybrids Nov 30 06:04:19 I know I'm going to sound like I'm ragging on palm, but if you're going to base your OS on webkit, why would you be the slowest of the major players with a webkit browser to implement features? Nov 30 06:04:34 I just mean, it would be nice if that was not the case Nov 30 06:04:59 alexfner: if I had to guess? Whatever they did patch wise to webkit is so ingrained by this point that it's hard to bump it to higher versions Nov 30 06:05:33 well, with hybrid apps, they want you to share plugins Nov 30 06:05:37 and you have to remember that Apple basically -made- webkit, so of course they're fast with it, and Google has a lot invested in Chrome... So they've both got a lot of weight behind webkit work Nov 30 06:05:41 SineOt: but that wouldn't make sense from a software development point of view, why would you implement something that would need to be upgraded and then make it hard to upgrade? Nov 30 06:05:48 so someone else could design a "websockets" plugin for you to use Nov 30 06:06:05 alexfner: because you're basically making a hail mary hope you don't go bust turn the company around play? :p Nov 30 06:06:06 rsanchez1: yeah it just eliminates the simplicity of websockets Nov 30 06:06:23 well, for the guy writing the plugin Nov 30 06:06:32 they would expose methods that do what websockets do Nov 30 06:06:35 drinking tea to try and calm myself down Nov 30 06:06:38 after an exciting day Nov 30 06:06:43 only flaw, the tea has caffeine Nov 30 06:06:49 LOTS OF XANTHINES Nov 30 06:06:57 hah Nov 30 06:07:30 I honestly fully expect to find out that like, webOS 2.5 or 3.0 or something will update to a way newer version of webkit Nov 30 06:07:50 since the version in use in 2.0 from what got posted to opensource.palm.com is still a build from... October 2009 :I Nov 30 06:08:50 and Chuqui said earlier that he's been pushing for updates to webkit to bring in stuff like @font-face, so at least there's some pressure there... Nov 30 06:10:16 I kind of wanted to interview with the webkit team at apple Nov 30 06:10:19 but it doesn't matter at this point Nov 30 06:12:09 I just don't understand the slowness to update webkit, that's all Nov 30 06:12:30 I guess I can understand that they don't manage the code, so something might come into play that would slow down the app Nov 30 06:12:33 or apps Nov 30 06:13:17 I think it's not so much slowness as it is the other two players have so much more invested in webkit that they can push updates -way- faster Nov 30 06:13:38 because like I said, iOS can get webkit updates probably the same day because it's all done in house Nov 30 06:13:46 same with Android, since Chrome is all done in house Nov 30 06:13:54 well, they don't use webkit for ALL of their apps, and their UI etc. Nov 30 06:14:03 so they don't incur the same risk in updating it Nov 30 06:14:20 and not for simple functionality, but for anomalies and memory leaks that might arise Nov 30 06:14:20 you instead run the risk of breaking the browsers :p Nov 30 06:14:35 and it probably has a lot to do with mojo Nov 30 06:14:39 and it being a rather poor framework Nov 30 06:15:52 Enyo + new webkit = 2.5/3.0? Nov 30 06:17:06 yeah that would seem to be the case Nov 30 06:17:38 dream scenario = 3.0 brings in webkit2 Nov 30 06:18:57 I dunno, I think new webkit could come sooner than we expect Nov 30 06:20:09 webkit2 is the next generation of webkit... it copies some stuff from the Chrome idea where it can run things as like, an insanely threaded monster Nov 30 06:20:25 and can crash one part without damaging the others, etc Nov 30 06:35:25 lord, Eclipse is buggy and kind of crappy Nov 30 06:40:30 ugh... no support for -webkit-box-shadow Nov 30 06:52:00 yeah Nov 30 06:52:02 enjoy that Nov 30 06:58:38 morning Nov 30 07:02:56 good morning swisstomcat Nov 30 07:02:59 how goes it Nov 30 07:03:04 good Nov 30 07:03:31 did you go to dev days? Nov 30 07:07:08 I did not, did you? Nov 30 07:09:48 no, i was not able to Nov 30 07:16:41 awe sheeze! Nov 30 07:17:20 swisstomcat: made this: iPad+WebSockets+Canvas+Node.js http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5hOzyYn3w Nov 30 07:17:53 oh Nov 30 07:20:56 very nice Nov 30 07:21:17 i'll probably be working on web apps for the ipad too Nov 30 07:22:21 oh yes? Nov 30 07:22:39 have you found a job related to that? Nov 30 07:22:55 i got a few offers Nov 30 07:23:05 all include mobile in some sort Nov 30 07:23:08 and web stuff Nov 30 07:23:13 nothing native Nov 30 07:35:20 swisstomcat: ah neat, is that what you want? Nov 30 07:35:36 yeah Nov 30 07:35:53 this is what i already do on the side with webOS development Nov 30 07:36:54 have you accepted anything? Nov 30 07:44:39 not yet Nov 30 07:45:02 Morning (C) Nov 30 07:45:37 alexfner: that app of yours.. really cool. Nov 30 07:45:46 I can see many uses for it Nov 30 07:45:48 what app teemu ? Nov 30 07:45:59 hotdp: that iPda canvas thingy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5hOzyYn3w Nov 30 07:46:16 teemu: yeah I really want to expand it but I lack (money, other passionate engineers) Nov 30 07:46:29 I was hoping that publishing a video using it would attract some interest Nov 30 07:46:36 * teemu is interested Nov 30 07:46:45 But it's open or closed? Nov 30 07:46:47 * hotdp sucks at painting Nov 30 07:46:51 open? Nov 30 07:46:55 what do you mean? Nov 30 07:46:58 source Nov 30 07:47:21 oh well, if you load the web page you can see all the client code Nov 30 07:47:40 I don't think I'd give away the server code simply because it'd make security that much more complex Nov 30 07:47:55 but the thing I really need is someone who knows how to make a scalable back end architecture Nov 30 07:48:02 on amazon AWS or some similar service Nov 30 07:48:15 right now it's on a VPH with node.js as the backend Nov 30 07:48:25 and that isn't going to scale well to demand Nov 30 07:48:32 hehe Nov 30 07:48:35 morning hotdp Nov 30 07:48:50 and I'm projecting high demand because this can work on iOS, Android, and any modern desktop browser Nov 30 07:51:13 * hotdp wants a "Pad" device Nov 30 07:51:52 I actually entered the demo video in a school competition where a possible prize is an iPad Nov 30 07:52:20 cool Nov 30 07:53:05 yeah Nov 30 07:53:37 also, (and for those still here I promise this *might* be the last time I say it) but I got an internship at Apple for the summer! Nov 30 07:53:38 i saw a similar app a while ago Nov 30 07:53:48 wow! Nov 30 07:54:10 yeah Nov 30 07:54:13 it was a great day Nov 30 07:55:42 have you seen colorillo.com? Nov 30 07:56:05 no? Nov 30 07:56:21 something similar Nov 30 07:56:53 oh wow Nov 30 07:56:55 very similar Nov 30 07:57:11 not using websockets though... Nov 30 07:57:13 hmm Nov 30 07:57:15 what are they using... Nov 30 07:58:18 http://colorillo.com/about.php Nov 30 07:58:21 at the bottom Nov 30 07:58:23 hih that's funny Nov 30 07:58:24 comet Nov 30 07:58:49 swisstomcat: it's not a very instantaneous drawing experience -_- :D Nov 30 09:44:27 Hey I just tried super pre kernel and now angry birds and tilestorm don't open anymore Nov 30 09:44:31 any suggestions Nov 30 09:44:43 which "super pre kernel"? Nov 30 09:45:13 old one :D was still on the phone and it felt slugish Nov 30 09:45:19 probably from 1.4.1 times :/ Nov 30 09:45:44 ugh Nov 30 09:45:53 the one that runs on 800mhz fixed? Nov 30 09:46:08 I would doctor but I want my angry birds.. Nov 30 09:46:31 überkernel is the one to use Nov 30 09:46:33 ah I guess it's 1.4.2 from the app list Nov 30 09:46:49 uberkernel even .. installable through preware Nov 30 09:46:53 I guess I smashed the kernel against the wall Nov 30 09:48:10 so how do I save my angry birds "status" :( Nov 30 09:50:00 thomaschaaf: save/restore .. also in preware Nov 30 09:50:11 i think it saves the angry birds data Nov 30 09:50:12 k hope that works :) Nov 30 09:50:17 else I am sad... Nov 30 09:50:20 yeah Nov 30 09:50:22 so what are you doing right now? Nov 30 09:50:24 job wise? Nov 30 09:50:33 thomaschaaf: so you never got the message that SuperPreKernel was an abomination by someone who did not know anything about making kernels? Nov 30 09:51:14 thomaschaaf: got a few offers, but no decision yet Nov 30 09:51:30 anything pre related? Nov 30 09:51:32 thomaschaaf: and palm has not interest it seems :( Nov 30 09:51:44 most likely mobile web development Nov 30 09:51:49 for any platform Nov 30 09:51:57 phonegap/html/css/js Nov 30 09:53:11 jquery mobile? Nov 30 09:53:19 maybe Nov 30 09:53:28 looking at different frameworks Nov 30 09:55:22 bbl Nov 30 13:02:23 just installed the UberKernel and Govnah is showing me a very high cpu usage (5.76 4.99 4.61) Nov 30 13:02:26 is this normal? Nov 30 14:20:31 Any Sencha people here? Nov 30 14:23:45 * teemu is learning it Nov 30 14:31:06 hotpd Sencha looks pretty cool Nov 30 14:38:34 hotdp: ^^ Nov 30 14:38:51 (\0/ !!) Nov 30 15:23:55 Bmyers :D Nov 30 16:36:44 evening Nov 30 16:37:27 hihi Nov 30 16:42:28 o\ people Nov 30 16:43:32 slow today Nov 30 16:43:48 swisstomcat: how's sprout 2.0? Nov 30 16:44:04 haeffb: doing well :) Nov 30 16:44:25 walking yet? Nov 30 16:44:52 ready to stary dating? Nov 30 16:44:59 hah Nov 30 16:47:04 heh Nov 30 16:47:14 it doesn't go that fast :) Nov 30 16:49:46 Hi everybody Nov 30 16:50:08 Hi Nov 30 16:50:39 hola Nov 30 16:51:48 heya Nov 30 16:52:34 Just watched the Dev Days keynote... I'm totally stoked. Nov 30 16:52:35 http://twitter.com/twtomcat/statuses/9648203045539840 Nov 30 16:57:47 swisstomcat: it's tuesday today. Nov 30 16:58:03 nice hat Nov 30 16:58:06 true, but it's november 30th Nov 30 16:58:07 :) Nov 30 16:58:22 Has anyone heard if enyo will be open for cross platform development? Nov 30 16:58:38 i assume so Nov 30 16:58:45 well it already works on chrome Nov 30 16:58:47 they were showing it in-browser, not on webos Nov 30 16:58:56 That would be awesome!!! Nov 30 16:59:18 which is slightly worrying, because hey guys it's not like we need any exclusive apps Nov 30 16:59:49 True Nov 30 17:01:36 I'm not so sure that individual apps push phone sales...but at the same time we don't want an OS/2 situation going on either Nov 30 17:01:52 it's not any one app Nov 30 17:01:57 but it's a large group of "that one app"s Nov 30 17:02:27 ideally, we all want cross-platform apps Nov 30 17:02:43 the ideal path right now, is one of apps that are either exclusive to or best on webOS Nov 30 17:03:01 Agreed.... Best on webos is the best route Nov 30 17:03:05 unless we want to step back in time and have the os-specific apps again ... i thought the browser allowed to break free of that Nov 30 17:03:32 cross-platform apps that support platform specific features .. but built with web technologies Nov 30 17:04:21 swisstomcat speaking of cross-platform, Nov 30 17:04:29 we'll need a combination of platform specific and hardware specific Nov 30 17:04:39 have you seen anyway of using some kind of "gallry" maybe the native one on the phone? Nov 30 17:05:27 hardware features can be abstracted .. see webOS/phonegap/... Nov 30 17:05:37 hotdp: gallery? Nov 30 17:06:11 so we just need a non-ancient version of webkit on top of that Nov 30 17:06:18 swisstomcat: i have 1 image, and would like to zoom on it ect. Nov 30 17:06:56 some kind of imageview widget then? Nov 30 17:07:01 yer Nov 30 17:07:11 Can not find one Sencha have made.. Nov 30 17:09:17 I just want full canvas implementation Nov 30 17:10:30 HTML5 video Nov 30 17:10:31 hotdp: http://twitter.com/joemccann/statuses/9645035091922944 Nov 30 17:10:35 but better Nov 30 17:10:38 swisstomcat: btw, i really think Jo and jQuery Mobile performs bad on webos Nov 30 17:10:50 what javascript engine is webos rocking Nov 30 17:10:52 html5 video is blah Nov 30 17:10:59 i think jo does better than jquery mobile at the moment Nov 30 17:11:00 html6 video will be ok Nov 30 17:11:05 torchie: V8 Nov 30 17:11:34 maybe better, but still alot worse then the other platforms. swisstomcat: what about that tweet? Nov 30 17:11:49 hotdp: he's asking the same question as you are Nov 30 17:13:09 hehehe, so still no solution :D Nov 30 17:15:57 and i am not impressed by the sencha support Nov 30 17:20:29 I really like jQuery Mobile... But it's still in alpha. Nov 30 17:23:45 i like jo so far Nov 30 17:23:54 and enyo seems similar to jo Nov 30 17:28:51 Never heard of Jo... Going to check it out. Nov 30 17:31:54 joapp.com Nov 30 17:32:01 Thanks Nov 30 17:33:58 how easy is it to use not-Mojo in an app? Nov 30 17:34:05 * sugardave never tried it. Nov 30 17:34:43 pretty easy Nov 30 17:34:48 it's just a browser Nov 30 17:34:51 have you ever had to give yourself a shot? Nov 30 17:34:54 so you can even roll your own stuff Nov 30 17:35:24 I find the tricky part comes when you have different pages/scenes. Nov 30 17:35:47 It's ugly to open a new browser window. Nov 30 17:35:55 so, do you not include mojo.js, and include the other library instead and just start writing code? Nov 30 17:36:05 Yup Nov 30 17:36:18 I don't know how it works in the desktop browser world Nov 30 17:36:41 so I can't easily map it to how Mojo does it Nov 30 17:37:02 Start chrome like this... google-chrome --app=http://your.app Nov 30 17:37:24 It's easy to test how it looks on a device. Nov 30 17:37:42 sugardave: here's a good example: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2113 Nov 30 17:38:04 ah, yeah Nov 30 17:38:05 thanks Nov 30 17:40:24 wow, jo looks amazing Nov 30 17:40:56 sugardave if you use phonegap ect. you need to include mojo.js Nov 30 17:41:26 you don't need to Nov 30 17:41:41 see that article, it tells you how to get rid of mojo Nov 30 17:41:51 I've been playing with building a mobile friendly company web site.... Using jQuery: http://littleearth.ca/m/ Doesn't seem so good on EI of course. :( Nov 30 17:41:58 hide the puppies, chuqui is here ;) Nov 30 17:42:19 morning, all. had a good breakfast, your puppies are safe. Nov 30 17:42:35 swisstomcat: i think you need to if you wonna use tha API's or am i wrong? Nov 30 17:42:37 they better be, I paid good monies for those puppies Nov 30 17:42:54 morning chuqui Nov 30 17:43:04 hotdp: which apis? Nov 30 17:43:33 phonegap once who uses mojo, like hmm camera Nov 30 17:43:44 hmm, good point Nov 30 17:43:59 something to find out Nov 30 17:44:10 but yes if you don't use any API's they recomend to "remove" mojo.js for faster loading Nov 30 17:44:25 * hotdp can't see how API's would work without mojo.js Nov 30 17:44:36 yeah, you're probably right Nov 30 17:46:12 how is the baby and the mom? Nov 30 17:46:18 very good Nov 30 17:46:49 good :D Nov 30 17:47:09 hmmmm... 15" i7 MBP on craigslist for $1,050 Nov 30 17:47:40 dang Nov 30 17:47:43 thats a good deal Nov 30 17:47:52 yeah... what's wrong with it tho Nov 30 17:47:53 hopefully its not located in nigeria Nov 30 17:47:59 no... it's local to phx Nov 30 17:48:06 it's prolly stolen tho :( Nov 30 17:48:08 mpb? Nov 30 17:48:16 mac pro book Nov 30 17:48:18 mbp = macbook pro Nov 30 17:48:28 i thought i'd humor him Nov 30 17:48:44 oh Nov 30 17:48:48 :\ Nov 30 17:49:05 grrr... dunno why i'm looking for toys. i'm officially unemployed as of today Nov 30 17:49:12 doh Nov 30 17:49:16 oh yeah huh Nov 30 17:49:18 mugen- ? Nov 30 17:49:27 mugen-: it's a scam Nov 30 17:49:41 business is closing the doors today Nov 30 17:49:58 what buisiness? Nov 30 17:50:08 i saw the exact same thing for the first gen MBPs Nov 30 17:50:10 small digital signage business Nov 30 17:50:41 sad :( Nov 30 17:51:03 it's all good =\ Nov 30 17:51:13 why good? Nov 30 17:51:36 now i've got all the time in the world to finish the 7 webos apps i've been struggling to get out the door Nov 30 17:51:39 lol Nov 30 17:54:11 what apps? Nov 30 17:54:43 * hotdp thinks the only apps you can live on income is angry birds Nov 30 17:57:07 hotdp: have you played with jquery mobile on webOS? Nov 30 17:59:53 yes Nov 30 18:00:02 and? Nov 30 18:00:08 I runs crappy Nov 30 18:00:19 was very disapointed :( Nov 30 18:00:30 It runs 100 times better on iphone Nov 30 18:01:03 * hotdp have not found anything who is smooth on webos yet (htmlm5) Nov 30 18:01:11 hmm Nov 30 18:01:13 have to try it Nov 30 18:01:41 maybe better on webos 2.0 with the v8 engine? Nov 30 18:03:30 time to test Nov 30 18:04:07 pandora-- is the v8 not on 1.xx ? i thought that.. Nov 30 18:04:14 jQuery mobile runs better then Sencha Touch on WebOS Nov 30 18:04:22 And it's still alpha Nov 30 18:04:25 yeah Nov 30 18:04:48 Just watched the Jo screencast by Dave Balmer... Impressed. Nov 30 18:05:06 popkin sorry but WTF!!!!!!!!!! Nov 30 18:05:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOjfKA23Of8 Nov 30 18:05:14 Sencha IS NOT SUPPORTED by Sencha? Nov 30 18:05:22 *WebOS Nov 30 18:05:41 So i don't think you have tried Nov 30 18:05:52 So think the comment is not the truth? Nov 30 18:05:58 I've tried. Nov 30 18:06:04 lol Nov 30 18:06:17 hotdp: pretty sure that's only on webos 2.0 Nov 30 18:06:40 * hotdp can understand it does not run well when its not supported at all Nov 30 18:06:57 pandora--: what does it use then? Nov 30 18:07:07 It works on iPhone Nov 30 18:07:12 just an earlier version i think Nov 30 18:07:15 Never tried android Nov 30 18:07:36 popkin: iPhone and Android is supported. NOT WebOS Nov 30 18:08:09 and i have seen many videoes of JO. But all on the emulator. Try to but it on the device (Pre) and tell me if its smooth. Its not wheni try Nov 30 18:08:34 grrr... wrong win Nov 30 18:08:37 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/sys/2032025816.html Nov 30 18:08:40 does that look right? Nov 30 18:08:50 pandora--: Ahh so it has always had V8 but a older/slower version Nov 30 18:09:21 oh, ok :) Nov 30 18:09:41 hotdb... Not sure I get your stand point... Are you for or against Sencha Touch??? Nov 30 18:10:35 evening all Nov 30 18:10:43 o\ bobben Nov 30 18:12:31 can i do $('body').innerText = errText as sort of a poor man's SHIT SHIT SOMETHING BROKE ? Nov 30 18:13:18 maik: create a error scene instead Nov 30 18:13:22 an* Nov 30 18:13:30 bah Nov 30 18:13:34 :) Nov 30 18:13:49 your suggestion will work as well, if you're lazy ass Nov 30 18:13:59 and your users will hate you probably Nov 30 18:14:01 doesn't appear to, actually Nov 30 18:14:03 but it will work ;) Nov 30 18:14:21 oh... Nov 30 18:14:32 check with the inspector Nov 30 18:14:40 2.0 Nov 30 18:14:48 aha Nov 30 18:15:03 sorry, just got 2.0 access, so i wouldn't know Nov 30 18:15:11 ah Nov 30 18:20:34 Does WebOS use another version of WebKIT since it runs the crossplatform/html things more crappy then ect. iphone? Nov 30 18:21:49 probably an older version Nov 30 18:21:57 since they had their own stuff ot it Nov 30 18:22:01 s/ot/to Nov 30 18:22:18 PALM!!!!! fix it! Nov 30 18:22:25 as a rule every single freaking phone runs a slightly different version of webkit Nov 30 18:22:38 some more different than others but it is incredibly frustrating Nov 30 18:23:10 that is bad Nov 30 18:23:44 yea its a lack of understanding or a lack of caring about open source ....probably some combination of both Nov 30 18:24:27 but its kind of bad right now, if i wonna do crossplatform, and it works on andorid and iphone but not webkis Nov 30 18:24:53 yea they have made some improvements to the browser in webOS 2.0 Nov 30 18:24:58 thats your only hope for now Nov 30 18:25:18 sadly for a OS called 'webOS' the web browser is lagging behind the competition Nov 30 18:25:26 true Nov 30 18:25:32 even the blackberry OS6 webkit is better with standards now Nov 30 18:25:48 2.0 is better Nov 30 18:25:56 but we still need more canvas stuff .. and touch events Nov 30 18:26:08 geo-location works for example Nov 30 18:28:33 O.o Nov 30 18:29:09 yo Nov 30 18:29:24 hey Nov 30 18:30:38 * oilsworkn nominates all his own apps for precentrals thingie Nov 30 18:30:38 lol Nov 30 18:30:48 no, i didn't Nov 30 18:30:50 you would Nov 30 18:30:57 :p Nov 30 18:30:58 :P Nov 30 18:31:06 actually, the nomination page crashes Nov 30 18:31:11 and i have to kill it with chromes task manager thing Nov 30 18:31:21 its p|c, what do you expect? Nov 30 18:31:25 lol Nov 30 18:31:30 then i opened firefox to look at it Nov 30 18:31:35 and the super long iframe? Nov 30 18:31:50 lol Nov 30 18:32:16 lol Nov 30 18:32:55 haha Nov 30 18:33:10 * halfhalo will brb Nov 30 18:35:57 why do android tablets suck so bad? Nov 30 18:36:11 lol @ lady in office who thought "cyber monday" meant you're supposed to go to brick&mortar stores to buy technology presents Nov 30 18:36:25 LOL Nov 30 18:36:33 * oilsworkn schooled her Nov 30 18:37:26 * oilsworkn wonders what shopping-based special days are next Nov 30 18:37:46 mugen: it's the software, not the hardware Nov 30 18:37:47 black friday, cyber monday, steal from your neighbor wednesday? Nov 30 18:38:00 mugen: which one did you try? Nov 30 18:38:09 swiss, i know... was kind of a rhetorical question... Nov 30 18:38:16 i'm just tired of people telling me how good they are Nov 30 18:38:20 lol Nov 30 18:38:28 i hope hp/palm can deliver a great experience with a webOS tablet Nov 30 18:38:33 they will Nov 30 18:38:36 they HAVE to Nov 30 18:38:38 * oilsworkn hopes for more then "big pre" Nov 30 18:38:40 agree Nov 30 18:38:42 * oilsworkn really really hopes Nov 30 18:38:51 enyo seems the first step into that direction Nov 30 18:39:00 yeah Nov 30 18:39:07 apps that have different layouts depending on the size of the viewport Nov 30 18:39:11 can't to that with mojo Nov 30 18:39:15 but its really just for making wider apps Nov 30 18:39:20 if they dont provide more apps then the tablet is dead in the water imo Nov 30 18:39:31 provide more apps? Nov 30 18:39:33 but we'll have to see how card management looks on a tablet Nov 30 18:39:39 and notifications Nov 30 18:39:42 and the gesture area Nov 30 18:39:46 what they really need to do, is solidify and properly document an SDK and stick with it IMO Nov 30 18:39:47 professional level apps from big players Nov 30 18:39:52 netflix etc Nov 30 18:40:00 you mean "developers need to make more apps" Nov 30 18:40:10 go and make em :) Nov 30 18:40:11 ares, sdk, pdk, now enyo.... it gets confusing where and when to go Nov 30 18:40:14 not really something palm does Nov 30 18:40:19 HP seems like a big enough company that they could provide some apps Nov 30 18:40:30 ares and mojo go together Nov 30 18:40:33 apple/windows/google all make apps for their OS Nov 30 18:40:34 techrush: just like apple makes all teh apps for iphone? Nov 30 18:40:35 pdk is something different Nov 30 18:40:42 oilsworkn, they make important ones Nov 30 18:40:48 techrush: apple does NOT make a netflix app for the iphone Nov 30 18:40:56 you get my point htough Nov 30 18:40:58 google does not make a hulu app for android Nov 30 18:41:02 they also need to work on paid apps availability Nov 30 18:41:05 swiss, i understand... but it gives a newbie developer too many options to go wrong :( Nov 30 18:41:13 you're blaming hpalm for netflix not creating a netflix app Nov 30 18:41:15 and thats not fair Nov 30 18:41:19 lol Nov 30 18:41:23 some people are clueless Nov 30 18:41:23 i'm lookng at all i've built in the traditional sdk... and now wondering why i need to move to ares Nov 30 18:41:29 it doesnt matter if its fair or whos fault it is it needs to happen or it will fail Nov 30 18:41:35 but with enyo down the line... i'm supposed to, right? Nov 30 18:41:36 lol Nov 30 18:41:42 why do you need to go with ares? Nov 30 18:41:59 you can still hand-build .. or create the gui in ares and then do the rest by hand Nov 30 18:42:00 isn't enyo a progression/extension of ares? Nov 30 18:42:02 oil what he is saying is that the webOS sdk isnt at a state where a company should throw money at it Nov 30 18:42:12 point in going from mojo to enyo Nov 30 18:42:16 its not? Nov 30 18:42:29 mojo seems fine for phone apps Nov 30 18:42:34 not if they see themselves rewriting it again Nov 30 18:42:35 it could be better tho Nov 30 18:42:41 thoiugh they could have done pdk I assume Nov 30 18:42:41 ive had 2 different people look at me confused when i told them my phone (pixi) didnt have the android market on it :P Nov 30 18:42:43 there is nothing a hybrid couldn't do Nov 30 18:42:49 exactly CTL... Nov 30 18:43:04 they need to rewrite mojo for bigger devices Nov 30 18:43:06 (minus video/audio apis) Nov 30 18:43:16 swisstomcat: thats what enyo is Nov 30 18:43:21 they need to have ONE DEV ENVIRONMENT! Nov 30 18:43:23 exactly Nov 30 18:43:24 :P Nov 30 18:43:24 enyo is replacing mojo Nov 30 18:43:37 you can stick with mojo for phone stuff Nov 30 18:43:39 the js+c hybrid is such an elegand solution Nov 30 18:43:41 elegant* Nov 30 18:43:46 it fixes all problems Nov 30 18:43:49 but you need enyo for new stuff Nov 30 18:43:52 no it's not Nov 30 18:43:56 it's convoluted Nov 30 18:43:58 olsworkn: not if you don't know c/c++ Nov 30 18:44:02 Also the market really doesnt direct them to webOS Nov 30 18:44:16 swisstomcat: i had no problem creating wirc with no c/c++ knowledge Nov 30 18:44:18 :) Nov 30 18:44:21 i just knew people who do Nov 30 18:44:24 heh Nov 30 18:44:30 you didn't write the plugin, did you? Nov 30 18:44:30 lol Nov 30 18:44:36 nope Nov 30 18:44:45 yet he gets all the blame Nov 30 18:44:48 hehe Nov 30 18:44:50 i know Nov 30 18:45:13 webos dev is like android hardware Nov 30 18:45:17 fragmented and ugly Nov 30 18:45:20 lol Nov 30 18:45:43 fragmentation in development is called "options" Nov 30 18:45:49 not what you think it is Nov 30 18:45:50 :P Nov 30 18:46:05 and too many options = confusion Nov 30 18:46:07 its a good thing that there is multiple ways to do the same thing Nov 30 18:46:13 confusion then leads to lack of app dev Nov 30 18:46:27 or dev adoption Nov 30 18:46:45 so you think the reason there isnt more apps is that webos is "too hard" or "too confusing" to write for? Nov 30 18:46:47 then you're wrong Nov 30 18:47:00 its because of the shoddy launch of the pre Nov 30 18:47:09 their presence isnt large enough for larger companies to care about Nov 30 18:47:23 nothing to do with development Nov 30 18:49:23 while that's true too... i still stand by my justification too Nov 30 18:49:29 lol Nov 30 18:49:32 :P Nov 30 18:49:37 i'm a stubborn prick Nov 30 18:49:44 it is a combination of things imo Nov 30 18:49:44 i can tell Nov 30 18:49:52 there is no one reason you can point too Nov 30 18:49:58 though, thats like 100% of the internet Nov 30 18:50:00 myself included Nov 30 18:50:03 lol Nov 30 18:50:13 techrush still wishes palm would release their netflix app Nov 30 18:50:23 cant change peoples minds on the internet Nov 30 18:50:25 i never said that Nov 30 18:50:46 lol Nov 30 18:50:57 hey codeslaw Nov 30 18:51:13 * oilsworkn still thinks codeslaw is a great name Nov 30 18:51:30 yeah Nov 30 18:51:38 me too lol Nov 30 18:51:54 oilsworkn, did you win any PDK app 4th tier? Nov 30 18:52:07 * oilsworkn wonders if he was eating coleslaw when he thought of it Nov 30 18:52:08 i hope so Nov 30 18:52:17 nyceane: i dont do pdk apps Nov 30 18:52:54 well, not, anything eligible for the hotapps, wirc is technically a "pdk/sdk" app Nov 30 18:54:29 so it should have won both categories Nov 30 18:54:49 too bad bugs in webos have kept it out of the catalog all this time Nov 30 18:55:03 dundundun.... Nov 30 18:55:10 lol halo Nov 30 18:55:13 we should be getting it in there for >= 2.0 soonish Nov 30 18:55:25 * halfhalo will buy it Nov 30 18:55:28 (assuming the app portal is setup to accept hybrids yet, it hasn't been thus far) Nov 30 18:55:30 grrr Nov 30 18:55:30 * swisstomcat too Nov 30 18:55:33 http://inception.davepedu.com/ Nov 30 18:55:41 for the dramatic effect Nov 30 18:55:58 lack of speakers at work make that website suck Nov 30 18:56:05 so that app i wrote to add money to my university cash account stops working every so often because ASP uses hidden variables whose values change periodically :/ Nov 30 18:56:05 :( Nov 30 18:56:30 i should probably just ask someone if they would provide an API so i don't have to go hacking through their bullshit Nov 30 18:56:47 what were you thinking Nov 30 18:56:55 lol.. asp Nov 30 18:56:59 srsly Nov 30 18:57:43 * halfhalo managed to max out wifi g just now Nov 30 18:57:56 like thats hard? Nov 30 18:58:06 45Mb/s each way Nov 30 18:58:16 Inception is being being released Dec 7th!!! Nov 30 18:58:20 well, 44 down 47 up Nov 30 18:58:50 holy hell, they grossed $292.1m Nov 30 18:58:55 I am wondering who else did PDK app Nov 30 18:59:01 I am still waiting for my laptop =_= Nov 30 18:59:23 it took a month or two before i got sdk hotapps money Nov 30 18:59:36 (and that didn't have shipping to worry about) Nov 30 19:00:39 mmmm vera farmiga is in the new source code movie Nov 30 19:00:45 noms Nov 30 19:01:13 ? Nov 30 19:01:26 the therapist in the departed Nov 30 19:01:39 woo! up to 60 down Nov 30 19:11:51 inception isn't out yet>?! Nov 30 19:11:54 wtf Nov 30 19:12:13 i've had the bdrom transcode for two weeks now Nov 30 19:12:34 the scene is getting rediculous with releases now a days Nov 30 19:14:44 mugen-: where'd you get it? i've been looking for a good source Nov 30 19:15:19 * halfhalo notes the channel logs Nov 30 19:15:46 erm... yeah, i'm not going to post publicly Nov 30 19:16:06 PM :) Nov 30 19:16:11 that's the copy i have Nov 30 19:16:15 and it's perfect Nov 30 19:16:15 * oilsworkn waits for mugen to get dc'd Nov 30 19:16:21 oh huh Nov 30 19:16:30 "Quit: Connection Reset by THE MAN" Nov 30 19:16:34 hehe Nov 30 19:16:40 i didn't do nothin'! Nov 30 19:17:35 * halfhalo sucessfully stripped out half of the normal js protection stuff for this app Nov 30 19:17:57 halfjs? Nov 30 19:18:11 :p Nov 30 19:18:27 why yes, I AM parsing json for functions and blindly running them! Nov 30 19:18:59 that's...fun Nov 30 19:19:14 and its on PURPOSE Nov 30 19:19:39 OH GOD THE CTCP VERSIONS Nov 30 19:19:40 * maik crafts some JS for halfhalo Nov 30 19:19:44 :) Nov 30 19:19:54 lol Nov 30 19:20:38 Its for a node config thing that stores stuff in json on disk Nov 30 19:23:03 crafts some js? Nov 30 19:23:24 * oilsworkn suddenly has the image of crafting in minecraft in his head Nov 30 19:23:46 oh hell Nov 30 19:23:54 * oilsworkn smelts some java, and breaks down some scripts, to craft some javascripts Nov 30 19:24:06 there's a yo dawg in there somewhere Nov 30 19:24:09 lol Nov 30 19:24:48 while you're at it Nov 30 19:24:54 yo dawg, i heard you like javascraft, so i got you this .... thingy... so you can craft while you script Nov 30 19:25:03 can you imbue my IDE with +5 intelliegence Nov 30 19:25:11 Done. Nov 30 19:25:24 speaking of which, i should play Torchlight over lunch Nov 30 19:25:26 sweet, now eclipse is only semi-retarded Nov 30 19:25:34 * maik <3 Komodo Edit Nov 30 19:26:45 Hey I'm trying to get a hello world app working on osx with Xcode, can anyone please help me out? Nov 30 19:27:16 basically my code compiles and runs, but no image is displayed Nov 30 19:28:33 anyone? Nov 30 19:28:59 * oilsworkn doesnt know or would help ;( Nov 30 19:29:28 haha thx! Nov 30 19:29:52 oh and it's a pdk app too btw Nov 30 19:30:20 * halfhalo is bleching at doing this db thingie Nov 30 19:31:05 kongkoro: OpenGL? Nov 30 19:31:12 yep Nov 30 19:31:21 all i'm trying to do is render an image on the screen Nov 30 19:31:31 the screen pop's up, but the image isn't loaded Nov 30 19:31:53 how do you do it? Nov 30 19:31:56 i put the image in the same folder as my source code, and i'm pretty sure it's not getting loaded Nov 30 19:32:01 have you seen my example code? Nov 30 19:32:06 ok Nov 30 19:32:17 is the pic on the device? Nov 30 19:32:31 sry, do you try it on the device or on the desktop Nov 30 19:32:38 on the desktop Nov 30 19:32:51 VC++? Nov 30 19:33:05 the current dir might not be the source dir Nov 30 19:33:09 nope i'm on a Mac. I'm using xcode Nov 30 19:33:56 here's is the code i have so far Nov 30 19:34:06 ok, at least on Win I had quite some headaches to find the right place and at the end, I use #ifdefs to specify the path on windows and a different one on the device Nov 30 19:35:08 yea i'm not worried about the device yet, just trying to get it working on the desktop Nov 30 19:35:25 why not give it a full path? Nov 30 19:35:47 I tried that and it still wouldn't work. I'll try again and send the error message i'm getting Nov 30 19:35:52 ok Nov 30 19:37:51 hello(4655,0xa0b90540) malloc: *** mmap(size=4294352896) failed (error code=12) *** error: can't allocate region *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. Out of memorymi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames Nov 30 19:38:57 pastebin.com is your friend :) Nov 30 19:39:06 hello = SDL_LoadBMP("/Users/user/Documents/kong.bmp"); returns null Nov 30 19:40:01 cool. what does pastebin.com do? Nov 30 19:42:01 I... what? Nov 30 19:42:02 hello(4655,0xa0b90540) malloc: *** mmap(size=4294352896) failed (error code=12) *** error: can't allocate region *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack. Out of memorymi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames Nov 30 19:42:12 * halfhalo wanders away Nov 30 19:42:15 kongkoro: At what point are the allocation errors happening? When loading the image or at a later point? Nov 30 19:43:06 the error occurs when the image is loaded Nov 30 19:44:50 How do you know that SDL_LoadBMP returns null if it crashes when loading the image? Nov 30 19:45:15 the error occurs right after i step over that line Nov 30 19:45:20 I see Nov 30 19:45:32 on another line i check to see if hello==NULL Nov 30 19:45:40 it returns true Nov 30 19:45:52 Can we see the code that comes before that? Nov 30 19:45:53 and I cout << SDL_GetError(); Nov 30 19:46:24 and i get "Out of memory" Nov 30 19:47:36 how does pastebin work? Nov 30 19:48:16 Just copy and paste your code there and it will generate a URL that you can give us Nov 30 19:48:48 oooo Nov 30 19:48:53 cool, doing it now Nov 30 19:49:54 kongkoro: how big is the bmp? Nov 30 19:50:01 created with which tool? Nov 30 19:50:21 here is the link to my code: http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=BqQvWVvJ Nov 30 19:50:42 from the error, it looks like the bmp is too big or malformed Nov 30 19:50:47 the bmp is 618KB Nov 30 19:51:03 it was originally a 800x600 bmp that i shrunk Nov 30 19:51:04 width/height? Nov 30 19:51:12 it is now 320x480 Nov 30 19:51:15 shrunk with which tool? Nov 30 19:51:21 paintbrush Nov 30 19:51:25 on OSX Nov 30 19:51:25 on windows? Nov 30 19:51:37 try another bmp Nov 30 19:51:41 just to be sure Nov 30 19:51:48 cool. 1 sec Nov 30 19:53:43 It looks like you are trying to blit SDL images onto an OpenGL surface. Replace SDL_OPENGL with 0 in your screen init lines. Nov 30 19:57:03 it worked! Nov 30 19:57:10 * oilsworkn claps Nov 30 19:57:21 * halfhalo gets the medal Nov 30 19:57:22 tried a different image and changed SDL_OPENGL to 0 and it got rendered Nov 30 19:59:06 just curious though, what's wrong with using SDL_OPENGL instead of 0? Nov 30 19:59:58 SDL_OPENGL tells SDL that it expects all rendering to be done through OpenGL. You can't mix rendering SDL and OpenGL at the same time. Nov 30 20:00:24 oic Nov 30 20:00:53 so setting that flag to 0 tells it to use SDL rendering? Nov 30 20:01:04 Yeah Nov 30 20:02:28 It essentially tells SDL to use it's default settings when rednering. There are some other options that can be specified there, but I don't remember what they are. Nov 30 20:02:55 that's cool. thanks tho. and the absolute path to that file worked too Nov 30 20:03:07 i gotta figure out how to import images in xcode... Nov 30 20:03:27 and i think i screwed up the other image in paintbrush haha Nov 30 20:03:41 Thanks for the help tho! Much appreciated :) Nov 30 20:05:02 No problem. There isn't much talk here about the PDK these days, so I'm happy to help whenever I can. :) Nov 30 20:07:51 That's cool. I'm just starting out, decided to walk through these tutorials: http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/index.php Nov 30 20:08:30 i'm definitely gonna have to make some mods to get it to work for the pdk, but the code is explained fairly well Nov 30 20:09:29 I went through those tutorials a while ago too. They are really good. Nov 30 20:13:35 Has anyone had any success with contacting ATT and getting their Dev Pre+ unlocked? Nov 30 20:15:20 anyone wanna sell me their pre Nov 30 20:15:22 pre2 Nov 30 20:18:33 I would if i could but i'm still waiting for it on Verizon Nov 30 20:21:15 whoa, you can run the Ares debugger standalone :o Nov 30 20:21:32 ... i have to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRL7D0wcXM&feature=fvw Nov 30 20:24:44 mugen-: lol Nov 30 20:29:40 :D Nov 30 20:31:20 that's pretty funny Nov 30 20:31:36 PS3? or Xbox? Nov 30 20:32:10 snacks on snacks n****! Nov 30 20:35:14 this video is ridiculous Nov 30 20:35:36 vagina panties even! Nov 30 20:35:39 wow lol Nov 30 20:35:54 I should probably learn how to work a debugger! Nov 30 20:38:01 omg he has a drawer of coolaid Nov 30 20:38:03 hahahahahah Nov 30 20:50:58 swisstomcat Nov 30 20:51:08 JO runs fine on my pre2 Nov 30 20:53:11 what's JO? Nov 30 20:53:32 joapp.com Nov 30 20:54:13 nice Nov 30 20:54:57 But there is some bugs :( but its ok smooth Nov 30 20:55:48 works perfect on my newton Nov 30 20:56:14 lol Nov 30 20:56:23 ...like buttah Nov 30 20:56:44 thought i was on a cray or something... INSANE performance Nov 30 20:56:47 huh, joapp was made by a webOS developer? Nov 30 20:57:13 david balmer ? Nov 30 20:57:17 yea Nov 30 20:57:22 i figured it was steve ballmer's brother Nov 30 20:58:17 * oil wonders if he throws chairs Nov 30 20:58:40 lol Nov 30 20:58:48 he may dance Nov 30 20:59:10 lol Nov 30 20:59:10 * oil wants him to do the "developers, developers, developers!" thing Nov 30 21:00:34 what it is peeps Nov 30 21:00:45 what it do Nov 30 21:01:17 we were marveling in the ingenuity of your nick Nov 30 21:02:22 mine or mugens? Nov 30 21:02:37 hey guys Nov 30 21:02:42 lol Nov 30 21:02:45 does anybody have a copy of mytether? Nov 30 21:02:50 codeslaw, are you here? Nov 30 21:02:54 ya Nov 30 21:03:01 did you get your hp coupons yet? Nov 30 21:03:04 no Nov 30 21:03:30 they have JUST begun processing coupon requests this week. Nov 30 21:03:33 no coupons Nov 30 21:03:46 NO ONE should have gotten them yet according to Chuq Nov 30 21:03:47 wonder what it takes that long? Nov 30 21:03:48 i think he meant hp.com credits Nov 30 21:03:51 * oil wants coupon :( Nov 30 21:04:07 i requested a coupon, but i'm not sure if i should get it since i can't use on old sprinty Nov 30 21:04:10 you already HAVE a pre2 Nov 30 21:04:13 you guys referring to pre2 $200 off coupons Nov 30 21:04:15 ? Nov 30 21:04:22 oh, ok Nov 30 21:04:29 yes mugen- Nov 30 21:04:37 even this, they aren't available in Europe, but HP sells in Europe Nov 30 21:04:42 kk Nov 30 21:04:51 I need to use it on sprint phone -_- Nov 30 21:04:59 this kinda sucks =| I really want a pre 2 for testing Nov 30 21:05:03 anywayz Nov 30 21:05:10 does anybody have mytether 2.1.1? Nov 30 21:05:19 I can't seem to download it anywhere Nov 30 21:05:54 ny, i'm in the same boat Nov 30 21:05:59 pre2 doesnt need to be on sprint to use for testing :) Nov 30 21:06:04 but i know the second i buy in.... vzw will release Nov 30 21:06:08 lies Nov 30 21:07:27 mugen-: then buy in so verizon gets it, lol Nov 30 21:07:53 ugh... i REALLY want a pre2 Nov 30 21:08:04 it's hard to resist Nov 30 21:08:17 ...quick someone tell me something bad about it! Nov 30 21:08:24 um Nov 30 21:08:32 its crap? Nov 30 21:08:34 the glass screen seems more prone to "phantom taps" when crap gets on it Nov 30 21:08:49 Its unicorn count is down? Nov 30 21:08:59 it still has the paint scraper bottom edge that eats fingers for lunch! Nov 30 21:09:02 * oil really wants a second one to commswap for sprint :) Nov 30 21:09:09 also Palm has offices in "Missoula Montana?" lol Nov 30 21:09:19 it's unicorn count is down!??! noooooooooooooooooooo! Nov 30 21:09:26 * mugen- drops to his knees and screams louder Nov 30 21:09:48 ok, have anybody used this before? Nov 30 21:09:49 http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/20/review-palm-mobile-hotspot-pre-pixi-plus/ Nov 30 21:10:04 uh Nov 30 21:10:04 :o Nov 30 21:10:08 okay, found something awesome Nov 30 21:10:09 yeah Nov 30 21:10:20 Palm is hiring for a "Video Conferencing Software Engineer" Nov 30 21:10:21 nyceane, what about it? Nov 30 21:10:30 sine: !!!! :D Nov 30 21:10:41 "Design and develop innovative client-server application solutions for mobile devices using C/C++, JavaScript, and other common web standards. Nov 30 21:10:41 Work closely with the Device Architect to make design and implementation decisions; Nov 30 21:10:41 Develop and maintain mobile services application, tools and re-usable components;" Nov 30 21:10:57 "Experienced Video Conferencing Software Engineer using C/C++, JavaScript, Rapid Application Development (RAD) methodologies, Java, JavaScript, mobile web services architecture and techniques, scalable and secure server applications." Nov 30 21:10:58 mugen, i was just wondering if it works Nov 30 21:11:07 nyceane, like a dream :) Nov 30 21:11:12 If that's not saying "hey, video chat on webOS hardware" I don't know what will! Nov 30 21:11:19 hehe Nov 30 21:11:52 it's also saying "video chat on webOS hardware -- ~6-12 months out" Nov 30 21:12:12 hi guys, question about profile creation on first time use. I'm in Netherlands and will receive my pre2 somewhere next week. So if I understand the article on pre-central correctly, I won't have paid apps in Netherlands Nov 30 21:12:16 FacePalm Nov 30 21:12:30 metaview -- trademark it Nov 30 21:12:37 go to Germany, buy a PrePaid and register Nov 30 21:12:42 hi olaf Nov 30 21:12:47 codeslaw_: no, is OSS Nov 30 21:12:48 yeah, probably the best idea Nov 30 21:13:04 if I ask an english collegue and use his sim while in Netherlands that should also work? Nov 30 21:13:05 olaf: you might send it to me, I can do it Nov 30 21:13:14 haha, facepalm Nov 30 21:13:35 olaf: he will have to pay roaming costs Nov 30 21:14:13 yeah, but thats ok, he uses his english phone in netherlands Nov 30 21:14:31 ok, but I#m not 100% sure if it works Nov 30 21:14:47 any other thing to keep in mind when putting in my own sim Nov 30 21:14:48 Palm released some info about it Nov 30 21:15:14 but IIRC I heard they aren't correct Nov 30 21:15:27 better wait fro rwhitby and ask him too Nov 30 21:16:01 no, as far as I know, once the device is activated, it will ok to change the SIM Nov 30 21:16:18 and even later, the first time activation can't be changed anymore Nov 30 21:16:46 hello all Nov 30 21:17:04 ok Nov 30 21:17:20 sup LoneStar99 Nov 30 21:17:24 ugh just made the 2nd payment on my house.. sucks! Nov 30 21:17:36 dawm_: at least you have a house! Nov 30 21:17:58 dawm_: i'm on payment 9 -- it doesn't suck any less Nov 30 21:18:05 yo lonestar Nov 30 21:18:15 dawm_: lol yea SineOt was just gonna write the same thing Nov 30 21:18:20 ;p Nov 30 21:18:31 howdy swisstomcat Nov 30 21:18:46 chuqui, you around? Nov 30 21:18:55 hi swisstomcat: how is the new-born? Nov 30 21:19:05 metaview: doing fine :) Nov 30 21:19:15 good to know :) Nov 30 21:19:18 oh yeah, how many days swisstomcat? Nov 30 21:19:31 congratulations swisstomcat Nov 30 21:19:44 thank youh Nov 30 21:19:49 MetaView: is rwhitby a palm employee? Nov 30 21:19:49 born on saturday Nov 30 21:19:54 yes, congrats! Nov 30 21:20:02 wow awesome =) Nov 30 21:20:05 dawm_: depends. maybe. you gonna yell at me? Nov 30 21:20:09 olaf: no, he's not. Nov 30 21:20:21 olaf: chuqui is the palm employee to yell at ;) Nov 30 21:20:26 olaf: but he knows a lot Nov 30 21:20:28 swisstomcat: hey, markus. howdy Nov 30 21:20:35 ah, ok :) Nov 30 21:20:38 ok brb need to get credit for my mobile Nov 30 21:20:42 chuqui: holidays are over? Nov 30 21:20:44 no, but ive sent a few emails in to palm (pdc@ pdn@) regarding my october revenue payment and i havent heard anything back (this was early last week) Nov 30 21:20:58 hey chuqui Nov 30 21:22:00 no no, it's the holiday _season_ now...all holiday all the time, right? Nov 30 21:22:01 I'm trying to pretend the holiday is still going, but it's not working. Nov 30 21:22:10 dawm_: they're probably in my inbox. Im' working on that. Nov 30 21:22:16 ok :) Nov 30 21:22:22 it is xmas everyday! Nov 30 21:22:28 hehe Nov 30 21:22:38 chuqui: can you confirm whether device activation with english sim while in Netherland will give the phone access to the uk appstore? Nov 30 21:22:41 brb Nov 30 21:22:55 chuqui: i think they should give you minions to help you work on your inbox Nov 30 21:23:17 olaf: I think it's going to tie to the first physical carrier you activate on, but I don't know much about the process Nov 30 21:23:28 swisstomcat: I actually have a minion now. Her name is sue Nov 30 21:23:32 swisstomcat: minion would be a cool title to have on a business card :) Nov 30 21:23:50 chuqui: I'm a good minion in need a job, hint hint ;D Nov 30 21:23:56 so even if you have a UK sim, but activate on a carrier that doesn't have app cat access, you're screwed Nov 30 21:24:06 (I think) Nov 30 21:24:32 dawm_: yeah, I have your email. it came in after I stopped working on wednesday. Nobody worked thur-sun because it was a holiday here. and now it's tuesday. I'll try to get there this afternoon. Nov 30 21:24:47 ok, I'd better give my phone to my collegue then, he's in netherland during the week, and home during weekends Nov 30 21:24:52 thanks Nov 30 21:24:52 sue's busy working on the device discount stuff so I don't have to. bless her. Nov 30 21:25:02 but we're both handling PDC now. Nov 30 21:25:13 chuqui: be sure to have discounts for the eurostore too :) Nov 30 21:25:21 there was another issue i noticed after i sent those in, but its minor so less important Nov 30 21:26:02 hey, latest developer newsletter is out. yay us. Nov 30 21:26:15 yay you Nov 30 21:26:16 markus: if it were up to me, it'd be free for everyone. Nov 30 21:26:18 and now? Nov 30 21:26:23 hehe Nov 30 21:26:28 yay Nov 30 21:26:32 chuqui: just received it .. looking good Nov 30 21:26:50 <-- wanna a coupon for a Pre2 developer device Nov 30 21:27:46 the dev device program runs until june 30th, 2011 .. there's hope for an european variant Nov 30 21:28:13 chuqui: i don't think that would be a good idea ... $250 seems like a great price ... just offer it outside of the US as well Nov 30 21:28:53 I encourage it when I can... then I get kicked out of their office again... (grin) Nov 30 21:29:15 oh really? Nov 30 21:29:49 do they have a realy explanaition? Nov 30 21:30:02 why can't palm/hp understand that there's a world outside of the US? geo-restricted app catalogs? empty app catalog landing pages? developer device programs? developer relations? NOTHING Nov 30 21:30:08 * MetaView mumbles something about spelling Nov 30 21:30:20 doing stuff in europe is more complicated for us. crossing country lines makes it more harder. Nov 30 21:30:35 now that's a lame excuse, sorry Nov 30 21:30:41 but the dev-device coupons can't be that difficult? Nov 30 21:30:48 may be lame, but it's true. Nov 30 21:30:49 i thought HP was a all-world company? Nov 30 21:30:51 I blame governments Nov 30 21:30:53 and oil Nov 30 21:30:58 blame oil Nov 30 21:31:04 which oil? Nov 30 21:31:08 BP? Nov 30 21:31:09 american oil Nov 30 21:31:14 oh well... Nov 30 21:31:16 I would've thought the Euro would've helped that...but I guess taxes would screw that up Nov 30 21:31:41 MetaView: we need to make sure the device is available in the store that person uses locally. then we need to arrange for a coupon that works in that store. every country has their own store. Nov 30 21:31:42 yeah, it basically boils down to varying tax laws as being the gunk that clogs stuff up Nov 30 21:31:54 chuqui: i'm not shooting at you .. i know that the decisions are made higher up Nov 30 21:32:01 pew pew Nov 30 21:32:17 chuqui: the eurostore is for 16 european countries .. it even has a field for coupons Nov 30 21:32:27 and every country generally has their own people running their own store. HP is global, but in many ways, it's a bunch of regional countries tied together. Nov 30 21:32:36 * olaf also works for HP btw ;) but in HP Enterprise Services Nov 30 21:32:38 heh, fiefdoms Nov 30 21:32:58 * sugardave is familiar. "Various geos like to control their kingdoms." Nov 30 21:33:16 chuqui: the eurostore is selling the unlocked pre2 to 16 european countries. i ordered some and they were shipped in 2 days via DHL .. not trouble Nov 30 21:33:25 s/not/no Nov 30 21:34:09 it even has a field "got a promotional code?" at checkout Nov 30 21:34:48 swisstomcat: we still need to work out the coupon aspects. ti's complicated. it's no different than every company I've worked in taht's global, unfortunately. Nov 30 21:34:50 "ignoring" europe seems like the wrong thing to do with the marketshare webos has at the moment Nov 30 21:35:21 chuqui: i hope your minions are busy working on it Nov 30 21:35:22 totally when you have geeks like me in the UK! Nov 30 21:35:23 hey, all, back later so you can yell at me some more. gotta go to a meeting. Nov 30 21:35:34 my mininos aren't, but someone else's minions are. Nov 30 21:35:36 with pleasure :) Nov 30 21:35:38 or so I'm told. Nov 30 21:36:48 now he's gone playing table soccer or somthing like this ;) Nov 30 21:37:14 prolly Nov 30 21:37:35 i bet he keeps his cards close to his chest? Nov 30 21:49:35 the browser can't access html pages from app dirs, or? Nov 30 21:50:45 shit, I was gonna yell at chuqui Nov 30 21:51:05 I just tried it and the browser told me Nov 30 21:51:10 Cannot display local files. Nov 30 21:51:12 funkatron: keep calme, he's coming back :) Nov 30 21:51:28 rsanchez1: even from the app dir? thanks Nov 30 21:51:38 from the browser's app dir? Nov 30 21:51:42 * funkatron hyperventilates Nov 30 21:51:46 any app's dir Nov 30 21:51:51 fuck, I have to push out a new version of Spaz like ASAP too Nov 30 21:51:57 both Desktop and webOS Nov 30 21:51:59 * MetaView steps back Nov 30 21:52:10 *facestab* Nov 30 21:52:13 why that? Nov 30 21:52:20 I just tried it from a dir in /media/internal Nov 30 21:52:39 funkatron: don't say FacePalm, I have patented it Nov 30 21:52:42 i thought it should work Nov 30 21:52:56 lemme try Nov 30 21:53:02 fair enough Nov 30 21:53:25 I tried opening an app's index.html and it told me the same thing Nov 30 21:54:06 i thought there was a way Nov 30 21:55:50 I just tried opening via internalz, and the URL is file://path-to-file Nov 30 21:57:38 is there a good way to take a page as a result of an ajax request and put it into an object where i can access its child elements? Nov 30 21:57:43 somewhat easily* Nov 30 21:58:28 maik, somehting with XML Nov 30 21:59:28 maik: using Ajax.Request and use the response object from onSuccess method Nov 30 21:59:41 DOMParser Nov 30 21:59:43 maik: store in in the dom and then parse that Nov 30 21:59:55 that's what i do in my app Nov 30 22:00:04 how do i "store it in the dom" ? Nov 30 22:00:34 he, I just realize, I don't use the dom-parser, I just make a substr() Nov 30 22:00:36 maik: create a div element and stick it in there Nov 30 22:00:55 but for parsing? Nov 30 22:01:01 you want have it visible Nov 30 22:01:03 so if anyone is nominating apps on precentral, and can't think of one for the "most beautiful" , remember that Paintr Lite has > 8,000 beautiful user made paintings to peruse =D Nov 30 22:01:18 there are a few specifically named (id) divs that i want to access and it would be incredibly helpful if i could do it by name :) Nov 30 22:01:20 shameless, i know. Nov 30 22:01:24 div.update(contents); now access it howerver via DOM methods Nov 30 22:01:47 hmm, ok Nov 30 22:01:48 div.update(contents); div.select(selector); Nov 30 22:02:02 or whatever, i think that works Nov 30 22:02:03 sugardave: you're so sugary, and...davery Nov 30 22:02:03 shameless.... nooooo Nov 30 22:02:05 var xmlDoc = parser.parseFromString(palmGetResource(gblLaunchParams.target), "text/xml"); Nov 30 22:02:50 should also work for html, or? Nov 30 22:03:53 var HTMLString = transport.responseText; Nov 30 22:03:53 var foo = new Element('div'); Nov 30 22:03:53 foo.innerHTML = HTMLString; Nov 30 22:03:53 var result = foo.getElementsByTagName('p'); Nov 30 22:04:07 you get the idea Nov 30 22:04:16 thanks all Nov 30 22:07:14 can't you use var data = transport.responseXML; directly Nov 30 22:07:25 sure Nov 30 22:07:26 and then data.getElementsByTagName Nov 30 22:07:34 oh Nov 30 22:07:39 i don't think so Nov 30 22:07:56 getElementsByTagName works in the DOM Nov 30 22:07:57 var data isn't initialized as a dom object Nov 30 22:09:08 hybrid apps aren't possible yet, or? Nov 30 22:09:26 I can't display a local file Nov 30 22:09:33 local html file Nov 30 22:09:34 weird, isn't that the whole point of having responseXML next to responseText Nov 30 22:09:37 ajax it? Nov 30 22:10:30 i don't believe assigning the value of a property of an object to a plain variable will change the type of the variable Nov 30 22:11:04 why not? Nov 30 22:11:15 var a = 1; Nov 30 22:11:22 you could use responseXML, if it's set, but you have to run it through the parse first anyway Nov 30 22:11:24 a = new array(); Nov 30 22:11:26 will change it Nov 30 22:11:53 hmm Nov 30 22:12:00 MetaView: what kind of local file are you trying to use and to what end? Nov 30 22:12:29 I need some configs for my PDK app Nov 30 22:12:44 olaf: http://api.prototypejs.org/ajax/Ajax/Response/prototype/responseXML/ Nov 30 22:12:46 and hope i could do it with a html file Nov 30 22:12:46 erg, no can help with PDK Nov 30 22:12:52 "The XML body of the response if the Content-type of the request is set to application/xml; null otherwise." Nov 30 22:13:27 sugardave: no problem, will write some kind of input fields with plain c Nov 30 22:14:03 [14:00] hybrid apps aren't possible yet, or? [14:00] I can't display a local file [14:00] local html file Nov 30 22:14:07 that makes no sense to me? Nov 30 22:14:17 oilsworkn knows how to do it :D Nov 30 22:15:02 you have a hybrid, which is a html/js/css mojo app, displaying a plugin in a object tag, displaying local html? Nov 30 22:15:07 * oilsworkn brain hurts Nov 30 22:15:47 no Nov 30 22:15:52 I have a PDK app Nov 30 22:15:57 so its not a hybrid Nov 30 22:16:02 I know Nov 30 22:16:04 ok Nov 30 22:16:28 * mugen- 's head explodes. Nov 30 22:16:28 and you want the app to display local HTML? Nov 30 22:16:35 I wanted to display a local html, which could then be used as settings form Nov 30 22:16:58 so first you're going to build some sort of browser in your pdk app to parse and display the page? Nov 30 22:17:06 ah, so you wanted a web form, without a web context (Mojo) ? Nov 30 22:17:08 I need some niput: an IP address or a server name Nov 30 22:17:39 oilsworkn: no, I just call the Browser, that's not a problem Nov 30 22:18:00 but the built in browser can't view local files Nov 30 22:18:23 oilsworkn: right, that was my question, and now I tried it Nov 30 22:18:26 wait, how did you expect to get that information back from the browser? Nov 30 22:18:28 ah Nov 30 22:18:34 hybrid: mojo.view.render to read in the html you want Nov 30 22:18:44 thought the browser could maybe, display html's from inside the app dir Nov 30 22:18:52 brb, real work Nov 30 22:19:12 but then, if it displayed the html, and the user filled out a form, how would you get that information back? Nov 30 22:19:21 rsanchez1: a file or something, don't know yet Nov 30 22:27:40 I just don't know how you would get the information back from the browser without some sort of hack Nov 30 22:27:51 or patch Nov 30 22:29:47 MetaView: if you want a PDK app, you have to do your settings/etc/etc all in c Nov 30 22:29:52 if you did a hybrid Nov 30 22:30:00 you could use the easy of mojo to do settings and whatever else Nov 30 22:30:14 then push it to your pdk app when you include the object tag in the mojo app Nov 30 22:31:30 will do it in c, g'd night Nov 30 22:31:37 night Nov 30 22:31:59 * oilsworkn hopes more apps will go hybrid route Nov 30 22:32:06 its just so sexy Nov 30 22:32:20 lol Nov 30 22:32:24 unfortunately, no multi-touch, so most games will probably be out Nov 30 22:32:25 but no appcat, right now Nov 30 22:32:28 not if you want multi touch Nov 30 22:32:35 well, you could appcat it for 2.0 presumibly Nov 30 22:32:36 * mugen- grinds his teeth Nov 30 22:32:50 biggest draw of PDK (for me at least) is full hardware support, i.e. 5 fingers Nov 30 22:32:55 hybrid fails to deliver Nov 30 22:32:56 yeah Nov 30 22:33:07 if they fix the multitouch it would be better for apps that need that Nov 30 22:33:36 mouse events are so sparse/laggy in webkit, and they have to pass through webkit for the hybrids Nov 30 22:33:50 i honestly am surprised that touchevents aren't a real priority Nov 30 22:34:08 yeah Nov 30 22:34:09 mouse events are so eratic and poorly handled, yet this doesn't seem to bother palm at all Nov 30 22:34:14 everyone else is using touchevents Nov 30 22:34:52 just seems like one of those things they'd have been working on for webOS 1.2 Nov 30 22:34:57 or 1.3 Nov 30 22:35:01 or 1.3.1 Nov 30 22:35:03 or 1.4 Nov 30 22:35:05 or 1.4.5 Nov 30 22:35:08 or 2.0 Nov 30 22:35:10 or 2.0.1 Nov 30 22:35:11 =/ Nov 30 22:35:21 yeah Nov 30 22:35:26 the basics Nov 30 22:35:29 same with saving canvas pixel data :) Nov 30 22:35:36 don't get me started =D Nov 30 22:37:06 who got codeslaw_ started? Nov 30 22:37:13 hehe Nov 30 22:37:25 nobody -- crisis averted Nov 30 22:37:36 * halfhalo puts the sedatives away Nov 30 22:37:42 whew Nov 30 22:38:01 too busy playing galcon to get really angry at our neglected webkit Nov 30 22:38:04 MU vs Georgetown on ESPNU at 8pm CDT Nov 30 22:38:15 galcon, that game is too confusing for me Nov 30 22:38:30 just keep on playing, you get the hang of fit Nov 30 22:38:36 I don't get how other people can throw hundreds of ships at you, while you struggle to get a few dozen to them Nov 30 22:38:44 magic Nov 30 22:38:55 indeed Nov 30 22:38:59 everybody on the online multiplayer is good, there's no noobie games Nov 30 22:39:20 everyone is pretty much good Nov 30 22:39:31 * oilsworkn doesnt want to save pixel data from canvas, me wants pixel manipulation Nov 30 22:39:41 oilsworkn: its all the same Nov 30 22:39:49 if you can manip, you can save Nov 30 22:40:02 * oilsworkn just wants the color of the pixel Nov 30 22:40:07 so i can't use getElementById with the above method :/ Nov 30 22:40:09 so i can do a sexy color picker for wirc :) Nov 30 22:40:11 just read/writing them is all we need, have been promised, and then subsequently denied Nov 30 22:40:20 you can do a color picker without image data Nov 30 22:40:26 not a sexy one Nov 30 22:40:30 ya you can Nov 30 22:40:39 just know the equation used to produce your color wheel Nov 30 22:40:40 * oilsworkn waits for example Nov 30 22:41:06 i.e. in polar coordinates, angle = hue, radius = saturation Nov 30 22:41:45 http://www.vanseodesign.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/colorwheel-rgb.jpg Nov 30 22:42:17 take any x,y coord, convert to polar coords with an origin in the middle of the circle Nov 30 22:42:23 and you have your hue and saturation Nov 30 22:42:41 you could then use a slider widget for brightness, or just omit brightness Nov 30 22:42:59 couldn't you just do some HSL sliders Nov 30 22:43:05 ya but that's not sexy Nov 30 22:43:21 hey, hey, HSL is sexy Nov 30 22:43:39 hot sexy L____ Nov 30 22:43:51 interesting little news bit on mistaken identity --> http://uoid.me/id1 Nov 30 22:43:53 maik: then you have to append into the active scene, just make it hidden Nov 30 22:44:07 codeslaw_: its a good idea Nov 30 22:44:37 its extra work for sure Nov 30 22:45:02 i was going to do it for Paintr Lite, but it was pointless because i can't CHANGE the color of the brushes dynamically Nov 30 22:45:02 yeah, a lot more Nov 30 22:45:10 and you have to have that specific color wheel Nov 30 22:45:13 * oilsworkn wants square Nov 30 22:45:15 :) Nov 30 22:45:21 well same principle Nov 30 22:45:29 generate your color chart in some other software Nov 30 22:45:40 and use the exact algorithm to reverse-plot the coordinates Nov 30 22:47:41 who needs a color wheel? Nov 30 22:48:06 lol Nov 30 22:50:54 you wrote one right lonestar? Nov 30 22:54:18 heh. whatever happened to jfoley or whatever? Nov 30 22:54:19 well it was modify Nov 30 22:55:22 by me and jfelectron: i can pastebin the code Nov 30 22:55:30 if you want it Nov 30 22:55:47 all the colors are dyanmic divs Nov 30 22:56:05 really? Nov 30 22:56:25 yeah Nov 30 22:56:48 :/ Nov 30 22:57:30 let me open up eclipse Nov 30 22:58:06 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.urloid.shorturl.app bottom pic Nov 30 22:59:20 metaview? Nov 30 23:08:37 * oilsworkn is sure he has seen that color picker somewhere else on the internets Nov 30 23:09:16 its the internets... theres stuff EVERAWHAR Nov 30 23:10:04 it was ported to webos by jfelectron & LoneStar99 Nov 30 23:11:24 http://pastebin.com/Etdzek0q Nov 30 23:11:55 ah Nov 30 23:19:14 good night everyone Nov 30 23:19:50 the color picker in nan player? Nov 30 23:20:09 * oilsworkn may widgitize it Nov 30 23:20:35 oilsworkn: that'd be cool Nov 30 23:21:02 where it is just a square of the selected color in the row and when you tap it brings up that Nov 30 23:21:14 * NuttyBunny yawns Nov 30 23:21:19 (and crosshairs are no good for finger selection) Nov 30 23:24:12 http://twitter.com/#!/hpnews/status/9744073174810624 Nov 30 23:24:34 this is getting quite a few tweets from hp... Wonder if something is ACTUALLY going to be announced. Nov 30 23:25:50 probably not. Nov 30 23:25:59 they're going to announce... Nov 30 23:26:06 "we've got awesome stuff coming soon!" Nov 30 23:26:17 dundundun... Nov 30 23:26:21 then hold up something under a black sheet? Nov 30 23:26:26 "it's right here! but you can't see it!" Nov 30 23:26:35 "Great phones with Qualcomm chips arriving in the coming months" Nov 30 23:26:50 "check out our awesome rollable display that doesnt work and isnt in anything yet!" Nov 30 23:27:04 sigh.. Nov 30 23:27:20 lol Nov 30 23:27:25 oilsworkn: but it does roll nicely - I got to touch it and hold it and roll it up :) Nov 30 23:27:30 lol Nov 30 23:27:38 does Qualcomm even make GSM chips, or are they only CDMA stuff? Nov 30 23:28:06 Qualcomm makes everything Nov 30 23:28:32 * halfhalo got couch working! Nov 30 23:28:43 every radio in every webOS device is a Qualcomm chip Nov 30 23:29:04 ah. I knew they did a lot of CDMA stuff, didn't know they were making GSM chips too Nov 30 23:31:42 rollup phone would be nice Nov 30 23:31:56 slap-bracelet phone is where it will BE Nov 30 23:33:15 it's a watch, AND a phone Nov 30 23:35:17 did anyone here apply for a Pre2 dev coupon? Nov 30 23:35:30 everyone did Nov 30 23:35:53 haha I guess I wanted to ask if anyone got a coupon yet Nov 30 23:35:58 I heard those were delayed Nov 30 23:35:58 no one has Nov 30 23:35:59 lol Nov 30 23:37:32 anyone going to the churchill club tonight? Nov 30 23:39:00 my bad, it is a forum, not a club ... lol Nov 30 23:39:24 heh Nov 30 23:39:49 bbl Nov 30 23:45:14 LoneStar99: where Rubi is speaking? Nov 30 23:51:43 rsanchez1: I applied, got a reply asking about my apps on friday and I'm still waiting :) Nov 30 23:51:58 haeffb / sugardave: time for the daily(+) ping :) Nov 30 23:53:08 another user emailed me asking to refund their creditcard Nov 30 23:53:10 lolz Nov 30 23:53:12 no Nov 30 23:54:28 * Tibfib wonders if this works in webOS http://headjs.com/ Nov 30 23:54:31 oh sweet, they gave me a 0-star rating because of it too Nov 30 23:54:34 fuckers. Nov 30 23:54:51 hah Nov 30 23:55:02 "This app sucks because I'm a cheap jackass!" Nov 30 23:55:33 a few people have misunderstood iHate411 to be a personal phone # lookup service Nov 30 23:55:48 despite the description of the app saying it is for business Nov 30 23:56:12 lol Nov 30 23:56:13 next update, add "THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER LOOKUP SERVICE" to your description.. Nov 30 23:56:22 damnit. stupid chick gave me 0stars because she can't put in "steve mcbutthole" and get his phone number Nov 30 23:56:33 yikes. Nov 30 23:56:52 Tibfib: yeah i guess i'll have to Nov 30 23:57:19 pandora--: then you can say, "are you blind? It says it in the description" Nov 30 23:57:28 gahh Nov 30 23:57:40 even though you already can say that... Nov 30 23:58:00 hah Dec 01 00:02:45 oooook app description updated with stupid ass "IHATE411 DOES NOT PROVIDE PERSONAL LISTING!" Dec 01 00:06:45 damn that's frustrating Dec 01 00:06:55 i'd be fine with it if she left it at just angry emails Dec 01 00:07:02 but giving me 0-stars for it just pisses me off Dec 01 00:07:23 * pandora-- goes to update his review to bury hers Dec 01 00:07:59 Who did what now? Dec 01 00:08:06 just some chick Dec 01 00:08:10 that bought one of my apps Dec 01 00:08:18 :p Dec 01 00:11:39 rad. gave it a new 5-star above hers Dec 01 00:11:42 phftttt Dec 01 00:11:43 eat me Dec 01 00:46:26 yee Dec 01 00:51:03 KGF2009: Ping Dec 01 01:52:59 Being able to run the Ares debugger and Ares logger standalone? Awesome. Wishing there was an Ares Launcher or something that could watch a folder and build/launch apps though. Dec 01 01:55:33 in setting up a widget listener, this.handleUpdate refers to your update handling function, correct? Dec 01 02:40:25 Anyone know of a css property that'll essentially allow tap-through, to ta the div below it? Dec 01 02:42:07 ta daaaa "-webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore;" Dec 01 02:42:41 but it apparently only works on divs and any text inside the div will still steal the tap Dec 01 02:43:20 http://webos101.com/-webkit-palm-mouse-target Dec 01 02:44:24 Damn... Dec 01 02:44:42 I'm trying to do this within a horizontal scroller... Dec 01 02:45:07 Why not put the div above it? Dec 01 02:45:51 Using zindex they are, but within the scroller, it seems to wrap right over em Dec 01 02:46:27 Shouldn't happen Dec 01 02:46:31 I do that all the time Dec 01 02:48:23 Well, so what I'm doing is creating a dynamic amount of divs inside the scroller and populating them with the corresponding text/data, I can instantiate the listener on the fly with the scroller itself as the target but not the divs within it... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 01 02:59:57 2010