**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 01 02:59:57 2010
Dec 01 03:16:18 <Tibfib> looks like docs have been updated a bit.. they know say to put ".mojo" to call a method on a widget
Dec 01 03:17:37 <projectAlarum> Looks like I may have to resort to interpreting x/y tap coordinates... I wonder if it'll report the x/y positions of the screen, or within the scrolling div...
Dec 01 03:18:57 <SineOt> ugh, this is annoying. Suddenly my !important body css is getting completely ignored :C
Dec 01 03:20:48 <rwhitby> http://fora.tv/live/churchill_club/Wireless_Platform_What_Next
Dec 01 03:21:45 <Tibfib> rwhitby: thanks for the link
Dec 01 03:21:49 <Tibfib> anything going on?
Dec 01 03:22:02 <Tibfib> oh, it just started, right?
Dec 01 03:22:15 <SineOt> Yeah, just started
Dec 01 03:23:11 <Tibfib> new PROTOTYPE
Dec 01 03:23:23 <Tibfib> </joke>
Dec 01 03:25:00 <SineOt> man, haha :I
Dec 01 03:25:01 <projectAlarum> Damn that won't work...
Dec 01 03:25:05 <Tibfib> lol, she's acting like a mom
Dec 01 03:25:05 <SineOt> she brought up sushi!
Dec 01 03:25:18 <Tibfib> "guys, we're not here to talk about sushi"
Dec 01 03:25:36 <Tibfib> SineOt: haha, I know
Dec 01 03:28:44 <SineOt> oh Brew, you piece of junk :[
Dec 01 03:30:36 <SineOt> it's going to be annoying if all she asks about is his time at Apple
Dec 01 03:30:51 <rwhitby> oh, she'll be annoying whatever she asks about
Dec 01 03:31:02 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 01 03:31:05 <SineOt> annoying++
Dec 01 03:31:21 <projectAlarum> That's bazaar, one scroller allows taps into the list within it, the other won't allow taps to any divs inside...
Dec 01 03:32:19 <SineOt> Oh Palm, why in the world: body is set to min-height: 480px;
Dec 01 03:32:25 <Tibfib> annoying++
Dec 01 03:32:28 <SineOt> No wonder it scales weird on the Pixi
Dec 01 03:34:34 <projectAlarum> How about being able to tap through text?
Dec 01 03:35:35 <Tibfib> OH, it's the same girl!
Dec 01 03:35:49 <Tibfib> Oh ruby, you are a funny guy.
Dec 01 03:37:19 <SineOt> Augh. Why is this not working all of a sudden? Does anyone overrider the Palm default backgrounds in their apps?
Dec 01 03:38:58 <Tibfib> yes
Dec 01 03:39:29 <projectAlarum> That didn't work either, and yes, all the zindexes are as they should be, I've even tried resetting it at runtime and it still blocks the tap to the div...
Dec 01 03:39:35 <Tibfib> SineOt: http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Adding_a_custom_background
Dec 01 03:40:12 <SineOt> Tibfib: yeah, I just found that. It's weird. Worked fine with just body earlier, tried to add an image, suddenly failed. Adding .palm-default suddenly now it works again.
Dec 01 03:40:29 <Tibfib> css is dumb sometimes..
Dec 01 03:40:38 <funkatron> ummm
Dec 01 03:40:55 <Tibfib> I know I know, it's the user, not the tools...
Dec 01 03:41:04 <funkatron> yeah, the selector inheritance precendence might have meant their definition of body.pal-default overrode yours
Dec 01 03:41:13 <funkatron> precedance?
Dec 01 03:41:17 <funkatron> meh
Dec 01 03:41:53 <SineOt> even then, I'd imagine that over riding it with !important should have gone over it
Dec 01 03:42:01 <funkatron> it sure should, yeah
Dec 01 03:42:02 <Tibfib> oh, that's probably why I can't edit palm-dark titles in css without adding in the .palm-dark class
Dec 01 03:42:14 <funkatron> Tibfib: yeah
Dec 01 03:42:15 <SineOt> ... or should have kept working, since it worked fine this morning, then stopped working :B
Dec 01 03:42:41 <funkatron> if you can load your app in Host Mode in Safari or Chrome, you can view the CSS hierarchy in WebKit Inspector
Dec 01 03:44:10 <SineOt> I like that Nokia was just kind of an after thought :p
Dec 01 03:46:06 <Tibfib> being polite..
Dec 01 03:48:16 <rwhitby> "he's the arms manufacturer"
Dec 01 03:48:25 <halfhalo> good times...
Dec 01 03:49:18 <projectAlarum> Well since I know the width ahead of time, I could find the scrollers position and figure the math from there by the x/y taps...
Dec 01 03:49:51 <projectAlarum> It'd be a brutal workaround... But it might work...
Dec 01 03:51:45 <Tibfib> NO. YOU ARE WRONG
Dec 01 03:53:44 * Tibfib gives up on interview
Dec 01 03:54:51 <SineOt> Tibfib: you're missing him talk about tablets!
Dec 01 03:55:13 <Tibfib> :/
Dec 01 03:55:40 * Tibfib reeeeee opens
Dec 01 03:57:57 <SineOt> lol, touchstone pillow
Dec 01 03:58:26 <sugardave> webOS tv confirmed
Dec 01 03:58:28 <sugardave> just now
Dec 01 03:58:31 <sugardave> did you hear it?
Dec 01 03:58:38 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 01 03:58:44 <SineOt> I don't know if I'd call that a confirmation though
Dec 01 03:58:49 <sugardave> good enough
Dec 01 03:58:51 <sugardave> print it
Dec 01 03:59:18 <SineOt> sugardave: did you see the stuff I posted earlier about Palm hiring a Video Conferencing engineer for mobiles?
Dec 01 03:59:55 <sugardave> I did, that is pretty cool
Dec 01 04:01:01 <torchie> :D
Dec 01 04:01:03 <torchie> that means
Dec 01 04:01:15 <torchie> FRONT FACING CAMERA
Dec 01 04:01:26 <torchie> now for the gyroscope
Dec 01 04:08:08 <projectAlarum> K... So how do you get the scroller's position?
Dec 01 04:09:07 <Tibfib> scene scroller?
Dec 01 04:09:17 <oil> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1929&Itemid=307
Dec 01 04:09:26 <Tibfib> this.controller.getSceneScroller().getScrollPosition() maybe.
Dec 01 04:11:05 <projectAlarum> Nah, another scroller, horizontal
Dec 01 04:11:19 <alexfner> well day two of awesome days
Dec 01 04:11:31 <alexfner> first, I got a free iPad
Dec 01 04:11:47 <Tibfib> are you officially a traitor? :)
Dec 01 04:11:55 <alexfner> second, I got to demo something I'm working on to an Apple VP at a meeting on campus using the iPad
Dec 01 04:12:01 <alexfner> http://youtu.be/tY5hOzyYn3w
Dec 01 04:12:05 <alexfner> if I haven't promoted it enough
Dec 01 04:12:07 <alexfner> there's a video of it
Dec 01 04:12:16 <alexfner> yeah I think I might be moving to iOS
Dec 01 04:12:23 <Tibfib> yeah I saw that earlier. pretty sweet
Dec 01 04:12:31 <alexfner> simply because they've given me a lot more support, and an internship :)
Dec 01 04:12:48 <alexfner> I can't sit around and wait for webOS when I have to beg and still don't ever get test devices
Dec 01 04:12:54 * Tibfib would probably do the same
Dec 01 04:13:02 <torchie> sideloading
Dec 01 04:13:06 <alexfner> and I can get an audience with apple, which is not the case with Palm
Dec 01 04:13:06 <torchie> SIDELOADING
Dec 01 04:13:07 <torchie> ;-;
Dec 01 04:13:29 <alexfner> sideloading?
Dec 01 04:13:55 <torchie> sideloading and gpl apps
Dec 01 04:14:16 <alexfner> I'm not with you :) what do you mean?
Dec 01 04:14:23 <torchie> as in getting apps from outside of the app store
Dec 01 04:14:45 <Tibfib> yeah! change apple!
Dec 01 04:15:08 <oil> if apple could get away with it they wouldn't let you install whatever you wanted onto macs either :)
Dec 01 04:15:19 * halfhalo points at lion
Dec 01 04:15:34 <torchie> it's not like they're getting rid of sideloading just because they're adding an app store on mac
Dec 01 04:15:34 <rwhitby> yeah, it's coming ...
Dec 01 04:16:21 <rwhitby> "you are using an extremely dangerous manual installation process, would you like to install this other app from the app store instead?"
Dec 01 04:16:32 <torchie> :/
Dec 01 04:16:48 <torchie> PALM COME BACK
Dec 01 04:16:52 * torchie cry
Dec 01 04:17:36 * oil got free device from palm
Dec 01 04:17:42 <oil> :)
Dec 01 04:18:31 * Tibfib did too
Dec 01 04:18:45 * oil joins with Tibfib in pointing and laughing at alexfner?
Dec 01 04:18:52 <torchie> hooh
Dec 01 04:19:03 <Tibfib> they had that free device program...
Dec 01 04:19:22 * alexfner did as well, but can't get his hands on a palm pre 2
Dec 01 04:20:39 <destinal> rwhitby: apple can safely protect us from all threats and make sure we only run the right software
Dec 01 04:21:16 <destinal> keep us from making bad or risky choices
Dec 01 04:21:51 <torchie> hey
Dec 01 04:21:52 <torchie> if I copy the
Dec 01 04:22:13 <torchie> if I copy the entire structure of /media/internal, hidden folders and all, to my computer
Dec 01 04:22:31 <torchie> and copy that as-is to another device
Dec 01 04:22:48 <torchie> would that work?
Dec 01 04:24:30 <rwhitby> nope, the .palm directory is encrypted with your nduid
Dec 01 04:27:56 * oil starts demanding free devices, then crying when i dont get it
Dec 01 04:29:01 <torchie> alright
Dec 01 04:29:05 <oil> especially devices that are brand new and only limited in their distribution
Dec 01 04:29:17 <torchie> hey at least it's not like me
Dec 01 04:29:25 <torchie> who cries for devices that don't exist
Dec 01 04:29:32 <oil> alexfner
Dec 01 04:29:41 <alexfner> yes?
Dec 01 04:29:46 <torchie> and ethically sound software distribution
Dec 01 04:30:29 <alexfner> oil, it's not crying.  It's not an attack on palm.  It's simply put that it makes more sense for me to focus a lot less on webOS
Dec 01 04:30:48 <rbredow> Do you guys find you need to Dr your phone every once in a while to keep it performing well?
Dec 01 04:30:54 <torchie> nop
Dec 01 04:31:01 <rbredow> My phone is about 1/2 the speed of my wife's. Not sure why.
Dec 01 04:31:11 <torchie> I almost never doctor or reset
Dec 01 04:31:27 <rbredow> It's been through every OS. I've never Dr'd it and would rather not go through the process unless it's likely to feel faster. :)
Dec 01 04:33:44 <alexfner> oil: make sense?  No complaints, still a webOS fan.  Just not making sense for me in the next 6months
Dec 01 04:34:00 <oil> alexfner: thats the impression i got from your initial statements
Dec 01 04:34:14 <oil> about not getting a pre2 but getting a free ipad
Dec 01 04:34:45 <alexfner> yeah well I don't think you need to make it silly/personal
Dec 01 04:35:01 <alexfner> I mean, if you think I'm being ridiculous it's usually better to explain it than mock me :)
Dec 01 04:35:12 * oil prefers mocking :)
Dec 01 04:35:50 <alexfner> I've made quite a bit of effort to engage palm, with no success.  Now I made a little effort with apple and have an audience there.  Why fight what works?
Dec 01 04:36:47 <Wolvenhaven> because you have to deal with apple zombies if you develop for the iphone
Dec 01 04:36:47 <alexfner> and I mean no fault to palm in that :)
Dec 01 04:37:02 <Wolvenhaven> and by zombies i mean hipsters
Dec 01 04:37:30 <oil> by all means, go to the dark side
Dec 01 04:37:32 <oil> they've got cookies
Dec 01 04:37:37 <oil> and lightning fingers :)
Dec 01 04:38:33 * oil moves along
Dec 01 04:39:44 * alexfner walks down a dusty road
Dec 01 04:39:52 <Wolvenhaven> lol
Dec 01 04:39:53 * rbredow just checked "Backup" and learned my Pre hasn't backed itself up in over 6 months. Nice.
Dec 01 04:40:02 <torchie> lol
Dec 01 04:40:03 <Wolvenhaven> it's not a dusty road
Dec 01 04:40:06 <pandora--> yikes
Dec 01 04:40:08 <Wolvenhaven> it's a muddy road
Dec 01 04:40:09 * pandora-- checks his
Dec 01 04:40:12 <Wolvenhaven> from all the blood spilled
Dec 01 04:40:18 <torchie> everybody check Backup
Dec 01 04:40:27 <Tibfib> 3:12 yesterday.
Dec 01 04:40:28 <Wolvenhaven> from all the rabbid apple fanboys killing each other waiting in line
Dec 01 04:40:33 <torchie> ok
Dec 01 04:40:33 <rbredow> My pre must have been sick for a long time. :(
Dec 01 04:40:38 <torchie> mine isn't giving me the time for some reason
Dec 01 04:40:42 <pandora--> WTF over a week ago
Dec 01 04:40:45 <codeslaw> evening
Dec 01 04:40:47 <torchie> so i'm just gonna click "back up now" for the hell of it
Dec 01 04:40:52 <Tibfib> torchie: IT NEVER has
Dec 01 04:40:58 <Tibfib> 'night everyone
Dec 01 04:41:01 <torchie> I could have sworn it did before
Dec 01 04:41:01 <pandora--> 8 days ago it backed up, what happened to every-day ?????
Dec 01 04:41:09 <torchie> you know what would be nice
Dec 01 04:41:10 <rwhitby> Ruby should say "Preware" :)
Dec 01 04:41:18 <codeslaw> mine backed up today
Dec 01 04:41:19 <torchie> some more third party cloud backup
Dec 01 04:41:26 <torchie> ...
Dec 01 04:41:32 <torchie> Restart Required
Dec 01 04:41:38 <torchie> you are no longer signed into your palm profile on this phone
Dec 01 04:41:47 <torchie> I'm pretty sure I'm signed into my palm profile on this phone
Dec 01 04:42:04 * Tibfib invites all to check dev portal..
Dec 01 04:42:21 <torchie> this is what happened after the last doctor too :/
Dec 01 04:42:25 <rbredow> If I use the Save/Restore program and have a current backup, what will I loose when I doctor my phone? Anything?
Dec 01 04:42:28 <torchie> herp derp let's delete all the apps he has on restart too
Dec 01 04:42:41 * oil sees nothing special on devportal
Dec 01 04:43:33 <torchie> so I'm confused
Dec 01 04:43:36 <rwhitby> rbredow: lots.
Dec 01 04:43:37 <torchie> has my phone just never backed up
Dec 01 04:43:45 <Tibfib> oil: from 11 minutes ago, there is something
Dec 01 04:43:52 <rbredow> rwhitby: That's what I'm afraid of.
Dec 01 04:43:55 <torchie> and now they want me to restart so when I restart none of my apps will be installed
Dec 01 04:43:59 <rwhitby> rbredow: save/restore only does about 250+ apps
Dec 01 04:44:01 <torchie> so I can go back into the app catalog and have to download them again
Dec 01 04:44:02 * rbredow has never doctored before. :)
Dec 01 04:44:17 <Tibfib> now I sleep.
Dec 01 04:44:21 <torchie> oh thanks palm
Dec 01 04:44:28 <torchie> i dont get a choice in whether or not I have to restart my device huh
Dec 01 04:44:29 <rbredow> I think I'll start with webos repair and see if that finds anything for me.
Dec 01 04:44:34 <torchie> it's not like I had like 8 cards open or anything
Dec 01 04:44:37 <torchie> what is this shit
Dec 01 04:45:59 <alexfner> ya know what's incredibly frustrating about webOS
Dec 01 04:46:09 <alexfner> is the lack of a proper WPA implementation
Dec 01 04:47:39 <alexfner> sorry, that's WPA2 with AES and TTLS
Dec 01 04:47:43 <alexfner> does not work
Dec 01 04:48:00 <alexfner> works for iOS and android
Dec 01 04:48:15 <alexfner> so on the local school network I cannot use wireless on my phone and everyone else can
Dec 01 04:48:37 <torchie> okay
Dec 01 04:48:39 <torchie> what the hell is this
Dec 01 04:48:42 <torchie> "Signed Out"
Dec 01 04:48:46 <torchie> the only options are
Dec 01 04:48:49 <torchie> "Just Restart"
Dec 01 04:48:51 <torchie> "Erase All Data"
Dec 01 04:49:28 <oil> torchie: sux
Dec 01 04:49:41 <torchie> what causes this
Dec 01 04:49:51 <oil> i dont know if anyone has nailed down a cause
Dec 01 04:50:05 <torchie> so this just happens to people at random
Dec 01 04:50:08 * halfhalo has
Dec 01 04:50:13 <halfhalo> iphone envy
Dec 01 04:50:17 <oil> lol
Dec 01 04:50:39 <halfhalo> your phone gets jealous
Dec 01 04:51:58 <torchie> ok now it's just sitting on the palm logo
Dec 01 04:52:24 <torchie> it's a good thing I copied all the shit from /internal 10 minutes before this happened
Dec 01 04:52:30 <oil> haha
Dec 01 04:53:31 <torchie> what is this shit.
Dec 01 04:53:40 <torchie> this is the screen you get
Dec 01 04:53:45 <torchie> when you first turn on a new phone.
Dec 01 04:53:49 <torchie> English or Espanol.
Dec 01 04:54:00 <torchie> is it so much to ask for a phone that works
Dec 01 04:54:26 <halfhalo> dont make it mad
Dec 01 04:54:47 <torchie> if you've been "signed out" of your palm profile
Dec 01 04:54:51 <torchie> why don't they just ask you to sign back in or something
Dec 01 04:55:05 <torchie> god I hate machines
Dec 01 04:57:08 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 01 04:58:25 <torchie> none of them work
Dec 01 04:59:26 <torchie> I should just expect vagina drying failure with every phone I get
Dec 01 05:00:43 <alexfner> ...
Dec 01 05:00:47 <codeslaw> wait what
Dec 01 05:03:44 <pandora--> er...
Dec 01 05:04:10 * pandora-- rubs some astroglide on his Pre
Dec 01 05:04:15 <torchie> lol
Dec 01 05:07:45 * rwhitby wonders if that a technical term for the failure type ..
Dec 01 05:08:14 <torchie> ok at least it didn't erase everything in internal
Dec 01 05:08:20 <halfhalo> its a californian, could ne
Dec 01 05:08:20 <torchie> but now all my preware apps are gone so
Dec 01 05:08:21 <torchie> awesome
Dec 01 05:08:22 <halfhalo> be*
Dec 01 05:09:15 <torchie> The failure in which a user is inexplicably and nonsensically logged out of his palm profile, causing him to wonder when Nokia will release ARM-based meego handsets to Sprint -
Dec 01 05:09:21 <torchie> The Vagina Drying Failure.
Dec 01 05:09:23 <torchie> VDF for short
Dec 01 05:10:21 <rwhitby> the best news is that all your preware apps are gone, and preware thinks that the patches are gone too, but the changes to the webOS files are still there.
Dec 01 05:10:35 <rwhitby> You really should do a full doctor on that device now
Dec 01 05:15:44 <torchie> wait what?
Dec 01 05:16:50 * halfhalo votes wipe
Dec 01 05:16:57 <rwhitby> yep, once you've had a catastrophic profile failure, your best course of action is a full wipe and doctor.
Dec 01 05:17:10 <torchie> are we approaching a double VDF here
Dec 01 05:18:12 <torchie> i just doctored like a week ago
Dec 01 05:18:31 <torchie> and this same crap happened when the phone was once again functional
Dec 01 05:18:39 <torchie> is it possible for VDF to be hardware related
Dec 01 05:19:05 <destinal> torchie: more likely something up with your profile I suspect
Dec 01 05:19:36 <torchie> would this happen if there were two devices on your profile
Dec 01 05:22:32 <torchie> I'm scared to touch anything that depends on my profile anymore
Dec 01 05:23:54 <rwhitby> oh, if you log into a second device on the same profile, you get logged out of the first device. that's intentional
Dec 01 05:24:06 <rwhitby> if that's what you did, then it's working perfectly
Dec 01 05:24:34 <torchie> so it's like AIM
Dec 01 05:24:52 <torchie> there's two devices listed on my profile
Dec 01 05:25:24 <torchie> they both have the same phone number except my "primary" has a 1 in front of it
Dec 01 05:25:34 <torchie> and only one has a wipe option
Dec 01 05:26:12 <rwhitby> do you have two devices?
Dec 01 05:26:20 <torchie> I do not
Dec 01 05:26:27 <torchie> but I have changed pres 3 times
Dec 01 05:26:42 <rwhitby> where are the other 2 now?
Dec 01 05:27:22 <torchie> with sprint
Dec 01 05:28:40 <torchie> could this be fixed by changing my password or something
Dec 01 05:31:07 <torchie> I may be getting a 4th pre
Dec 01 05:31:16 <torchie> craigslist guy hasn't responded yet
Dec 01 06:27:37 <jkovacs> morning
Dec 01 06:30:01 <torchie> great so all the bookmarks and history I've had in the past week weren't synced
Dec 01 06:30:07 <torchie> or rather few weeks
Dec 01 06:30:23 <torchie> is there a way to guarantee that you won't be logged out of your palm profile when trying to do anything
Dec 01 06:46:49 <torchie> oh cool all my text messages are gone too
Dec 01 06:59:01 <jkovacs> still no new angry birds :-(
Dec 01 07:04:50 <torchie> gonna attempt to open Backup
Dec 01 07:13:17 <swisstomcat> morning
Dec 01 08:01:22 <hotdp> Good morning
Dec 01 08:06:24 <swisstomcat> morning
Dec 01 08:08:36 <hotdp> damn, there is alot of magasin providers who are making iPad apps
Dec 01 08:21:30 <torchie> christ, a month of Tasks
Dec 01 08:21:31 <torchie> gone
Dec 01 08:21:58 <torchie> I can't depend on anything for anything anymore can i
Dec 01 12:53:09 <solix> hey, would a BT keyboard work on the pre+?
Dec 01 13:09:36 <solix> wish pre gave at least one macro button on the side.. :)
Dec 01 13:10:36 <solix> maybe a way to program the power button or mute switch to be a macro??
Dec 01 13:12:43 <solix> also miss the infra red the palms use to have, made for a nice TV remote :)) hehe on the phone would be nice. or for ur car. :)
Dec 01 13:13:47 <solix> although I wouldn't trade me pre for anything else, just sayin.. would be nice. :)
Dec 01 13:14:19 <jkovacs> I'd trade my Pre for a Pre 2
Dec 01 13:14:36 <jkovacs> If anyone's interested give me a bump
Dec 01 13:14:44 <solix> lol... still a pre.. that's just an upgrade.. :)
Dec 01 13:15:13 <jkovacs> :)
Dec 01 13:15:16 <solix> 250usd and you can get a pre2 unlocked from hp. :)
Dec 01 13:15:26 <jkovacs> I'd buy that in a seconds
Dec 01 13:15:28 <jkovacs> -s
Dec 01 13:15:35 <solix> yup
Dec 01 13:15:46 <jkovacs> but I'd have to pay 500 € here in Germany that's way too much
Dec 01 13:15:59 <solix> yikes.. yeah..
Dec 01 13:18:36 <solix> stacks will be awesome tho..
Dec 01 13:18:44 <torchie> ;o
Dec 01 13:18:58 <solix> hey torchie
Dec 01 13:19:02 <torchie> yo
Dec 01 13:19:07 <solix> sup
Dec 01 13:19:20 <torchie> not much yo
Dec 01 13:19:51 <solix> fios.. nice :)
Dec 01 13:20:06 * hotdp loves he's Pre 2
Dec 01 13:20:37 <solix> grrr... lol
Dec 01 13:21:32 <torchie> sprint
Dec 01 13:21:33 <torchie> ;-;
Dec 01 13:22:53 <solix> you forgot the 'yo' torchie.. ;)
Dec 01 13:23:00 <torchie> oh snap dawg
Dec 01 13:23:01 <torchie> my bad
Dec 01 13:23:10 <solix> hehe
Dec 01 15:29:07 <torchie> maybe I'll just become a web developer
Dec 01 15:29:25 <torchie> make everything in html with canvas or css transforms or something
Dec 01 15:45:44 <LoneStar99> howdy folks
Dec 01 16:30:18 <pandora--> hahahaha i guilt tripped that chick to change her bitchy review
Dec 01 16:30:20 <pandora--> lol
Dec 01 16:30:21 <pandora--> good
Dec 01 17:00:21 <jettero> I'm just ridiculously excited about my first appstore app.  I got my first review. :)
Dec 01 17:00:33 <jettero> you'd think someone gave me a candybar
Dec 01 17:00:48 <haeffb_pre> awesome!
Dec 01 17:01:08 <NuttyBunny> What app is that? :)
Dec 01 17:01:16 <hotdp> haeffb_pre did you see your name in the newsletter? your a star :D
Dec 01 17:01:17 <jettero> http://goo.gl/82yYB  <--
Dec 01 17:01:58 <NuttyBunny> I'm just mad at the Metro Mexico app developer... In Telcel Mexico there are no paid apps, but this nice guy sells it... and it isn't even that good :(
Dec 01 17:02:29 <haeffb_pre> hotdp: no, really?
Dec 01 17:02:58 <hotdp> yer
Dec 01 17:03:44 <hotdp> "Brian Haeffner (Done!, Noted!)"
Dec 01 17:04:17 <haeffb_pre> woo!
Dec 01 17:04:38 <pandora--> jettero: woo!!
Dec 01 17:04:55 <pandora--> jettero: more pilot stuff! i'm going to download now!
Dec 01 17:06:05 <pandora--> sweeeeet
Dec 01 17:06:09 <pandora--> that works really well
Dec 01 17:06:17 <pandora--> I fly out of KLGB :)
Dec 01 17:06:34 <pandora--> damn the wind is only 3kts right now there
Dec 01 17:08:25 <pandora--> jettero: conditions are perfect here. ahhh
Dec 01 17:10:46 * haeffb_pre wonders what chuqui will send today...
Dec 01 17:11:56 <chuqui> haeffb_pre: nothing up my sleeve....
Dec 01 17:12:24 <sugardave> check the OTHER one
Dec 01 17:12:28 <rsanchez> no free phones? darn
Dec 01 17:12:46 <torchie> a sprint pre 2 ;-;
Dec 01 17:13:03 <rsanchez> chuqui has the only one :D
Dec 01 17:13:07 <sugardave> alas, torchie, it is not meant to be
Dec 01 17:13:15 <torchie> I'm dying here
Dec 01 17:13:25 <sugardave> Sprint are hateful, hateful Android lickers
Dec 01 17:13:26 <torchie> scrambling around craigslist for a 4th pre minus
Dec 01 17:13:42 <rsanchez> I bought my Pre right before it went EOL on sprint
Dec 01 17:13:53 <rsanchez> first pre
Dec 01 17:14:14 <torchie> i hate carriers
Dec 01 17:14:20 <torchie> so much
Dec 01 17:14:22 <torchie> right now
Dec 01 17:15:53 <rsanchez> maybe HPalm should just release a Pre "touch" and forget carriers
Dec 01 17:15:59 <torchie> they're all just licking android dick because they realize how nice it is for them, with no regard to the consumer
Dec 01 17:16:04 <rsanchez> of course that also means no calls
Dec 01 17:16:27 <torchie> howsabouta dual mode CDMA/GSM pentaband thingy
Dec 01 17:16:35 * rsanchez wonders if PalmPad will rely on carriers
Dec 01 17:16:40 <torchie> that somehow just owns everybody's face and makes it so that I can have sprint and not be miserable
Dec 01 17:16:57 <torchie> a tablet that relies on carriers is a failure
Dec 01 17:17:17 <rsanchez> all webOS needs is a 4G phone and sprint will be back on board
Dec 01 17:17:48 <rsanchez> don't the 3G-connected iPads rely on ATT/Verizon?
Dec 01 17:18:18 <torchie> ugh so it can be an extra $10 a month for an unnecessary speed upgrade
Dec 01 17:18:30 <torchie> yeah but they at least sell wifi-only ipads
Dec 01 17:18:41 <torchie> imagine if all the palm pads were only available through carriers
Dec 01 17:18:56 <rsanchez> extra anything would be attractive to carriers
Dec 01 17:19:04 <hotdp> 4g is overrated
Dec 01 17:19:19 <rsanchez> they charge you extra 10$ even if you don't have 4G coverage
Dec 01 17:19:28 <torchie> I have 4G coverage
Dec 01 17:19:42 <torchie> doesn't mean I want to pay 10bux extra just to get the decent android phones
Dec 01 17:20:48 <rsanchez> do they have a 3G Evo or are those only 4G?
Dec 01 17:20:51 <torchie> only 4G
Dec 01 17:20:55 <torchie> same with the epic
Dec 01 17:21:01 <torchie> if you want a 3G only android on sprint your options are
Dec 01 17:21:33 <torchie> a kyocera, some crappy samsung sliders, the year-old qualcomm MSM packing hero
Dec 01 17:21:41 <torchie> and the LG optimus S
Dec 01 17:22:05 <torchie> and when the LG optimus S is the best of the bunch
Dec 01 17:22:07 <torchie> something is up.
Dec 01 17:24:00 <rsanchez> they want the $10
Dec 01 17:24:18 <rsanchez> forget 3G android phones
Dec 01 17:24:57 <torchie> 10bux for 4G that isn't 4G and not even to be a widely adopted standard, aint that some shit
Dec 01 17:26:18 <torchie> alternatives:
Dec 01 17:27:37 <torchie> verizon who licks even harder android dick and charges up the butt for the same disadvantageous 3G standard -- but omg at least they have the pre 2!
Dec 01 17:28:06 <rsanchez> they don't even have it on sale yet
Dec 01 17:28:24 <sugardave> "soon"
Dec 01 17:28:35 <torchie> heh maybe their plan is to sell it AFTER christmas
Dec 01 17:28:37 <torchie> THAT'LL SHOW PALM
Dec 01 17:28:41 <rsanchez> I want the unlocked Pre 2 but the coupon orders are backed up
Dec 01 17:29:54 <torchie> at&t who also charges up the butt and locks away the only thing that makes android relevant with respect to iOS: sideloading
Dec 01 17:30:25 <torchie> t mobile, who just straight up doesn't carry palm phones
Dec 01 17:30:56 <rsanchez> can you use the unlocked pre 2 on t mobile?
Dec 01 17:31:16 <torchie> I think so
Dec 01 17:31:19 <torchie> you may not get 3G though
Dec 01 17:31:27 <torchie> I'm not sure which frequencies pre2 supports
Dec 01 17:31:40 <sugardave> you get 3g on att
Dec 01 17:31:50 <sugardave> according to the display
Dec 01 17:35:07 <bmidgley> yep you only get edge on sprint
Dec 01 17:35:27 <bmidgley> sorry edge on tmobile
Dec 01 17:35:49 <torchie> tmobile: the sprint of gsm
Dec 01 17:36:55 <torchie> except they don't charge 10 bucks a month extra for the G2
Dec 01 17:39:44 <bmidgley> tmobile is advertising their network as "4g" but it's using the same tech as att's "3g"
Dec 01 17:41:10 <torchie> everyone's basically using non-4G standards and calling it "4G"
Dec 01 17:41:49 <torchie> LTE, wimax, HSPA+, all a lie
Dec 01 17:46:10 <Loudergood> heh, "standards"
Dec 01 17:52:14 <jettero> pandora--: :)
Dec 01 17:52:31 <jettero> pandora--: it's -SN at KAZO
Dec 01 17:53:50 <jettero> wimax was designed to be 4g... it's just that 4g was a moving target until recently
Dec 01 17:53:50 <msd18> hey guys is it possible to install preware without runnin the standalone or webos install app
Dec 01 17:54:10 <msd18> cuse my pc died and the library restricts running any outside apps
Dec 01 17:54:33 <jettero> I'd be pretty miffed if I was sprint/clearwire
Dec 01 18:07:05 <SineOt> Hmm. If the one guy from Meego is working for Palm now... There should be some pretty cool stuff.
Dec 01 18:07:13 * SineOt is trying out Meego 1.1 right now. It's not bad.
Dec 01 18:09:10 <SineOt> 'course it could be better.
Dec 01 18:09:33 <SineOt> Like not using a... Looks like 32 point font for all the IM apps and not letting you change it.
Dec 01 18:19:45 <rolsworth> As long as I can get 4megs down I don't care what they call it
Dec 01 18:20:01 <rolsworth> Verizon prices are crazy
Dec 01 18:20:16 <torchie> if only there were some meego phones or something
Dec 01 18:20:41 <rolsworth> Meego was crap on my netbook
Dec 01 18:20:48 <torchie> netbooks are crap
Dec 01 18:20:50 * torchie ducks
Dec 01 18:21:27 <rolsworth> Netbooks are fantastic. Portable and battery lasts 10 he's
Dec 01 18:21:37 <rolsworth> Does everything I need
Dec 01 18:21:45 <rolsworth> Hours
Dec 01 18:22:06 <rolsworth> L
Dec 01 18:24:00 <SineOt> rolsworth: 1.1 seems to be a lot better than 1.0
Dec 01 18:24:31 <torchie> the meego netbook ui looked kinda nice though
Dec 01 18:24:36 <torchie> except the tabs were mystery meat
Dec 01 18:25:34 <torchie> http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meego-netbook-ui.jpg
Dec 01 18:25:38 <torchie> look at that
Dec 01 18:25:46 <torchie> what's the little three circle thing supposed to be?
Dec 01 18:25:55 <torchie> if only it had a text label under it!
Dec 01 18:26:31 <SineOt> whoa, that's ancient
Dec 01 18:26:40 <SineOt> the icons make a lot more sense now
Dec 01 18:26:42 <torchie> changed since then?
Dec 01 18:26:44 <SineOt> and have nice hover labels
Dec 01 18:26:47 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 01 18:26:54 <SineOt> I'll get a shot later
Dec 01 18:26:59 <torchie> eehhhh
Dec 01 18:27:02 <torchie> hover labels?
Dec 01 18:27:05 <torchie> hovering is dead
Dec 01 18:27:10 <SineOt> mouse over/tap
Dec 01 18:27:14 <SineOt> but, honestly
Dec 01 18:27:19 <SineOt> they're easy enough to figure out as it is
Dec 01 18:27:34 <torchie> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/images/stories/meego_netbook1_sm.png
Dec 01 18:27:35 <torchie> ?
Dec 01 18:27:57 <SineOt> yeah that's the new one
Dec 01 18:29:31 <SineOt> home page, "zones" (basically virtual desktops), apps, twitter, im, internet, music, devices, bluetooth, wifi, clock, battery
Dec 01 18:29:34 <torchie> so what's the little 4 quarter pizza pie tab
Dec 01 18:29:37 <torchie> is that the pizza hut tab
Dec 01 18:29:54 <SineOt> it's the zones tab
Dec 01 18:30:04 <SineOt> but I don't know how to say "hey virtual desktops" in icon form
Dec 01 18:30:12 <torchie> with words
Dec 01 18:30:21 <SineOt> words are dead :I
Dec 01 18:30:42 <SineOt> laters~
Dec 01 18:30:49 <torchie> or at least a four-quarters icon that resembles the rectangular shape of a computer screen
Dec 01 18:30:51 <torchie> instead of a pizza
Dec 01 18:41:09 <maik> mmm, pizza
Dec 01 18:48:20 <torchie> meego: just keep clicking the pizza icon and everything will be ok
Dec 01 19:25:21 <projectAlarum> Anyone done anything with scrollers?
Dec 01 19:27:30 <b0bben> good evening all
Dec 01 19:27:40 <projectAlarum> Hello
Dec 01 19:29:18 <b0bben> just got my webos 2.0 sdk...do i have to uninstall the previous one? i really don't wanna since I have an app out there which might need bugfixing etc.
Dec 01 19:29:34 <torchie> when people are writing large javascript projects, how do they usually go about it?
Dec 01 19:29:48 <torchie> splitting it into multiple files and then concatenating them all when done?
Dec 01 19:29:52 * halfhalo blindly bashes on the keyboard and calls it code
Dec 01 19:31:02 <b0bben> palm states in release notes that there is no need to uninstall previous sdk's! sweet!
Dec 01 19:31:44 <projectAlarum> Well uninstalling wouldn't trash the app itself, just any db stuff for the app in the emulator
Dec 01 19:32:30 <b0bben> wtf the installer removed 1.4.5 SDK!
Dec 01 19:32:37 <b0bben> damn
Dec 01 19:33:00 <Loudergood> that's why you don't need to uninstall it!
Dec 01 19:33:12 <b0bben> projectAlarum: it's more the thing that I want to be able to test on 1.4.5 incase of update to app
Dec 01 19:33:24 <b0bben> Loudergood: yeah, it sure is sweet and simple :)
Dec 01 19:34:41 <b0bben> well atleast the emulator image is still there
Dec 01 19:35:20 <projectAlarum> Well, one problem is as far as I know you can't submit apps yet if they were built in the 2.0 sdk
Dec 01 19:36:01 * b0bben will be installing SDK 1.4.5 on wifes computer then ;)
Dec 01 19:36:12 <b0bben> 'cause I need my webos 2.0 fix NOW!
Dec 01 19:36:32 <projectAlarum> Yeah, I had to throw it on another pc as well
Dec 01 19:37:13 <torchie> 2.0000000000000
Dec 01 19:37:28 <projectAlarum> I'd be real interested to find out when we'll get documentation on how to integrate just type into an app
Dec 01 19:37:55 <b0bben> projectAlarum: i'm guessing not everything is 100% done right now, a bold move on Palm
Dec 01 19:38:12 <b0bben> Palm's side to deploy 2.0 on devices so early
Dec 01 19:38:36 <b0bben> stupid Return key getting in my way there
Dec 01 19:39:07 <b0bben> projectAlarum: Q1 2011 seems to be the universal answer to all things HP/Palm it seems
Dec 01 19:40:16 <projectAlarum> Hence the reason its still in beta
Dec 01 19:43:09 <b0bben> exactly...and still deployed out in the wild :)
Dec 01 19:43:10 <pandora--> doesn't the webos 2.0 sdk agreement still state that you can't even talk about being in the EA program?
Dec 01 19:43:15 <pandora--> or did they change that?
Dec 01 19:43:44 <b0bben> it's still in effect
Dec 01 19:44:08 <torchie> is there anything interesting in EA that hasn't been revealed yet
Dec 01 19:44:12 <b0bben> although you're allowed to talk about things that are known already, or in the wild...
Dec 01 19:44:29 <torchie> so there are things that are not in the wild/known still?
Dec 01 19:44:29 <b0bben> torchie: that awesome ******b thing! it's so awesome!
Dec 01 19:44:35 <b0bben> ;)
Dec 01 19:44:42 <torchie> so there's awesome things?
Dec 01 19:44:43 <torchie> :D?
Dec 01 19:45:03 <b0bben> for any palm employees hanging around here: that was a joke...plz don't kick me out plz *on my knees, begging*
Dec 01 19:45:28 <pandora--> yes there are things in EA that have not been publicly released
Dec 01 19:46:26 <torchie> oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhohohohohoo
Dec 01 19:57:32 <b0bben> do you get an notification when there is an update to an app in the catalog? i've never received anything
Dec 01 20:03:12 <pandora--> no
Dec 01 20:03:18 <pandora--> you have to launch the "updates" application
Dec 01 20:04:18 <b0bben> hmm, that's what i thought
Dec 01 20:04:20 <MetaView> hi
Dec 01 20:04:21 <jkovacs> evening
Dec 01 20:04:25 <MetaView> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119116/quotes?qt0464057
Dec 01 20:04:27 <pandora--> yo
Dec 01 20:04:58 <b0bben> there should definitely be some kind of notification system for updates
Dec 01 20:05:02 <b0bben> y0 holmes
Dec 01 20:05:11 <sugardave> b0bben: write it in
Dec 01 20:05:32 <sugardave> I think metrix has that service, too
Dec 01 20:05:39 <b0bben> sugardave: nah, not cool to users
Dec 01 20:05:51 <sugardave> an update check?
Dec 01 20:06:03 <b0bben> should be some unified system that's unobtrusive
Dec 01 20:06:26 <MetaView> you could use your own server for it
Dec 01 20:06:40 <MetaView> just send the version number
Dec 01 20:06:44 <b0bben> talking about metrix, in anyone using that in production apps? looks really interesting
Dec 01 20:07:00 <sugardave> I am not, but I may in the future
Dec 01 20:07:03 <MetaView> the server compares and when smaller than the highest, he returns some answer
Dec 01 20:07:04 <sugardave> they beat me to the punch :D
Dec 01 20:07:44 <b0bben> MetaView: it's not that, it's more that i believe it should be a system thing...like appstore badges on ios, unobtrusive but helpful
Dec 01 20:07:54 <MetaView> should be, right
Dec 01 20:08:13 <b0bben> sugardave: oh, just like me and facebook
Dec 01 20:08:32 <b0bben> will never sign up to those bastards...they beat me to the punch
Dec 01 20:08:44 <b0bben> now it's principals ;)
Dec 01 20:09:02 <b0bben> omg, got a 5star review cause the app is free
Dec 01 20:09:09 <b0bben> that's some grateful users right there
Dec 01 20:11:29 <sugardave> seriously, dawm and I were both working on nduid-based metrics for some months...the Metrix dropped
Dec 01 20:11:47 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 01 20:12:09 <maik> is there a quick function i run text through to make it "url friendly" ?
Dec 01 20:12:15 <maik> replace / with %2F, etc
Dec 01 20:13:47 <sugardave> urlencode or something
Dec 01 20:13:50 <b0bben> sugardave: that just sucks...what did you do, drop it?
Dec 01 20:14:06 <sugardave> b0bben: yeah, it became a learning experience
Dec 01 20:14:31 <b0bben> ok
Dec 01 20:14:39 <b0bben> how far along were you?
Dec 01 20:15:46 <b0bben> maik: http://stevenharman.net/blog/archive/2007/06/16/url-and-html-encoding-on-the-client-javascript-to-the.aspx
Dec 01 20:16:04 <sugardave> I got a system going where it would count installs (new, re-installs, upgrades) and had it in a basic Drupal module that was going to allow people to sign up, create their app definitions and manage some basic reporting from their "portal"
Dec 01 20:16:19 <sugardave> broken out by version number, etc.
Dec 01 20:16:32 <sugardave> it was looking good, but I"m only one person and had other things to do as well
Dec 01 20:17:12 <b0bben> sugardave: yeah, that happens sometimes...
Dec 01 20:17:15 <maik> b0bben: thanks
Dec 01 20:17:24 <b0bben> i've had a share of such projects myself :)
Dec 01 20:17:32 <b0bben> maik: hope it's helpful
Dec 01 20:17:40 <maik> i hope it's implemented
Dec 01 20:17:45 <sugardave> heh
Dec 01 20:18:31 <sugardave> urlencode/decode are there
Dec 01 20:18:34 <b0bben> "javascript lacks built-in methods to do html encoding and decoding, but there are several javascript libraries which provide such functionality. my favorite is the prototype javascript framework and it's escapehtml and unescapehtml methods, part of prototype's string class."
Dec 01 20:18:35 <sugardave> I've used them before
Dec 01 20:18:57 <b0bben> you've got prototype as well
Dec 01 20:19:02 <sugardave> yeah
Dec 01 20:19:49 <maik> hooray!
Dec 01 20:20:06 <maik> encodeuricomponent worked
Dec 01 20:20:07 <maik> thanks
Dec 01 20:20:15 <b0bben> hehe
Dec 01 20:20:16 <b0bben> sweet
Dec 01 20:20:40 <maik> ooh, Amazon took down wikileaks servers
Dec 01 20:21:14 <b0bben> maik: what?? wikileaks is hosted here in sweden
Dec 01 20:21:23 <b0bben> how can amazon bring them down?
Dec 01 20:21:26 <sugardave> they moved them
Dec 01 20:21:30 <maik> they're being DOSd and moved to Amazon
Dec 01 20:21:41 <b0bben> oh, the cloud
Dec 01 20:21:51 <sugardave> DRINK
Dec 01 20:22:24 <oil> lol
Dec 01 20:22:49 <halfhalo> WOOOO
Dec 01 20:23:36 <maik> oh wait, encodeuricomponent didn't work
Dec 01 20:23:42 <maik> must not be implemented
Dec 01 20:23:54 <sugardave> try just encodeURI
Dec 01 20:24:06 <maik> encodeuri apparently doesn't do / and some other chars
Dec 01 20:24:11 <sugardave> nice
Dec 01 20:24:21 <maik> ":", "/", ";", and "?"
Dec 01 20:24:44 <sugardave> you don't need to change those, though, right?
Dec 01 20:24:56 <sugardave> oh wait
Dec 01 20:24:57 <maik> i do, those are the only things i need to change actually
Dec 01 20:24:58 <sugardave> nvm me
Dec 01 20:28:21 <maik> if i want treat something as a string and operate on it i can do String(foo).bar, right?
Dec 01 20:28:42 <maik> or is it String.bar(foo)...
Dec 01 20:28:54 <sugardave> object.toString().method/property
Dec 01 20:29:03 <maik> thx
Dec 01 20:29:18 <sugardave> your cast might work, too
Dec 01 20:29:36 <sugardave> but most objects should have a toString method
Dec 01 20:30:24 <sugardave> I guess technically they all do
Dec 01 20:31:22 <maik> hmm
Dec 01 20:31:40 <maik> i'm trying arr[i].value.toString().escapeHTML();
Dec 01 20:31:51 <maik> it's not erroring on me, but it's also not doing what i expect it to
Dec 01 20:32:27 <maik> oh, i guess because what i expect it to is not what it does
Dec 01 20:33:48 <sugardave> haha
Dec 01 20:34:03 <sugardave> what is arr[i].value?
Dec 01 20:34:10 <sugardave> a string already?
Dec 01 20:34:13 <sugardave> or an array?
Dec 01 20:34:26 <maik> a string, afaik
Dec 01 20:34:31 <maik> i may have it, just a sec
Dec 01 20:34:37 <sugardave> then you don't need .toString() :P
Dec 01 20:35:10 <bmidgley> does 2.0.1 have the exhibition api?
Dec 01 20:35:24 <sugardave> unknown
Dec 01 20:35:27 <oil> no
Dec 01 20:35:45 <maik> hah, n00bed
Dec 01 20:35:53 <oil> at least, not on my pre2 thats running 201
Dec 01 20:35:58 <maik> encodeuircomponent != encodeURIComponent
Dec 01 20:36:10 <maik> that's what i get for blindly copying off of b0bben's link
Dec 01 20:37:59 <sugardave> yeah
Dec 01 20:38:00 <sugardave> hehe
Dec 01 20:38:05 <b0bben> mwahahha
Dec 01 20:42:58 <bmidgley> ok, found 201 release notes, only bug fixes
Dec 01 20:48:01 <b0bben> watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267891/ on tv
Dec 01 20:48:14 <b0bben> mrs. heigl is mighty fine in that one
Dec 01 20:52:24 <b0bben> can't believe GT5 actually got released
Dec 01 20:52:49 <Loudergood> it's not like it's duke nukem
Dec 01 20:57:19 <torchie> wait what
Dec 01 20:57:22 <torchie> sniggitty snap
Dec 01 20:58:39 <b0bben> Loudergood: i totally believed it would end up like DNF
Dec 01 20:59:00 <b0bben> things was like what, 8years, in the making?
Dec 01 20:59:04 <b0bben> thing*
Dec 01 20:59:10 <Loudergood> or HL2 Ep3 :(
Dec 01 20:59:27 <Loudergood> gt4 was that long ago?
Dec 01 20:59:52 <b0bben> Loudergood: not sure, but it feels like that
Dec 01 21:00:14 <b0bben> 2004 according to wikipedia
Dec 01 21:00:20 <Loudergood> yeah
Dec 01 21:04:25 <halfhalo> Ok, I have no idea how to do this
Dec 01 21:06:14 <halfhalo> I dunno if its even possible without fancy coding
Dec 01 21:07:22 <b0bben> halfhalo: what you up to+
Dec 01 21:09:46 <halfhalo> Trying to set a field in a json object.  Could be a field in a subobject, in a subobject, etc.  I have an array with the path to the field I want to set (IE ['a','b'] and object {a:{'b':true}}).  How the hell do I do that
Dec 01 21:16:33 <jkovacs> jeez
Dec 01 21:16:45 <jkovacs> IDEA is wearing me out
Dec 01 21:18:49 <halfhalo> ugg... though of how to do it... and I don't like it
Dec 01 21:25:10 <mugen-> hey crew
Dec 01 21:31:48 <sugardave> halfhalo: what?
Dec 01 21:32:17 <sugardave> find element in array 'a' and set it to object {a: property}?  Im confused
Dec 01 21:38:12 <halfhalo> because the field I'm trying to replace is in an object that has other fields as well, and if its in a sub object or subsub object, etc, it would replace the entire subobj as well
Dec 01 21:38:13 <halfhalo> I know how to do it though... recursive function that builds the object from the top down
Dec 01 21:38:13 <halfhalo> someone just called me from new york
Dec 01 21:38:13 <halfhalo> ...
Dec 01 21:38:51 <sugardave> halfhalo: this sounds tedious
Dec 01 21:39:42 <rsanchez1> guys, guys, a Battle for Wesnoth app just popped up in the app catalog
Dec 01 21:39:49 <rsanchez1> anyone tried it out yet?
Dec 01 21:40:03 <sugardave> no, what is it?
Dec 01 21:40:19 <rsanchez1> you never played Battle for Wesnoth on your computer?
Dec 01 21:40:27 <sugardave> nope
Dec 01 21:40:37 <rsanchez1> it's like part RTS, part RPG
Dec 01 21:40:58 <rsanchez1> it's popular among linux users, but they have windows and mac versions as well
Dec 01 21:40:59 <sugardave> ah, I like those
Dec 01 21:41:10 <rsanchez1> I just wanted to see if anyone tried it out before putting down $5 for it
Dec 01 21:41:27 <rsanchez1> wanted to know how much like the desktop version it's like
Dec 01 21:41:41 <sugardave> $5? hmmm
Dec 01 21:41:49 * sugardave is a cheap bastard.
Dec 01 21:41:54 <rsanchez1> one of their screenshots shows it running on an iPhone
Dec 01 21:41:57 <rsanchez1> must be one of those ports
Dec 01 21:42:35 <torchie> say what
Dec 01 21:42:39 <sugardave> what
Dec 01 21:42:39 <rsanchez1> well I haven't been this excited for a game app in a while, I guess I'll try it out and bring lunch from home tomorrow
Dec 01 21:42:41 <torchie> battle for wesnoth on webos?
Dec 01 21:42:57 <rsanchez1> yeah, was browsing the new apps and it's there
Dec 01 21:43:15 * rsanchez1 has $5 lunch on weekdays
Dec 01 21:44:00 <torchie> ooh
Dec 01 21:44:10 <halfhalo> yes
Dec 01 21:44:10 <halfhalo> but the reason I'm doing it is cool
Dec 01 21:44:17 <torchie> same publisher also put out "Frogatto"
Dec 01 21:44:18 <oil> lol
Dec 01 21:44:26 <torchie> which has some really nice pixel art
Dec 01 21:44:58 <rsanchez1> I'm downloading wesnoth
Dec 01 21:45:36 <torchie> frogatto's cheaper
Dec 01 21:45:42 <torchie> also I don't have the memory for wesnoth :(
Dec 01 21:46:21 <rsanchez1> memory as in /media/internal, or as in RAM?
Dec 01 21:46:56 <rsanchez1> I always try to have at least 1GB free
Dec 01 21:46:59 <megatron> have any of you guys seen this? http://forums.explosm.net/showthread.php?t=72205
Dec 01 21:47:17 <Guest45664> there looking for a webos developer
Dec 01 21:47:33 <rsanchez1> C&H?
Dec 01 21:47:39 <Guest45664> yeah
Dec 01 21:47:55 <rsanchez1> I don't know what that is
Dec 01 21:48:02 <Guest45664> they want android and webos versions of there apps
Dec 01 21:48:18 <Guest45664> its a big blog that makes there own hilarious comics
Dec 01 21:48:26 <rsanchez1> ohh
Dec 01 21:48:43 * rsanchez1 is not familiar with the blogosphere
Dec 01 21:49:24 <Guest45664> megatron
Dec 01 21:49:49 * halfhalo got it to work
Dec 01 21:51:17 * oil cheers
Dec 01 21:52:03 <halfhalo> Its fancy shcmancy but its an awesome config thingie
Dec 01 21:52:44 <torchie> I don't have enough space to have 1GB free
Dec 01 21:53:20 <rsanchez1> just noticed that it's 347M
Dec 01 21:53:47 * halfhalo goes hehehe
Dec 01 21:54:32 <torchie> I wonder
Dec 01 21:54:38 <torchie> ipod classics don't seem to be breaking all the time
Dec 01 21:54:40 <torchie> what if
Dec 01 21:54:45 <torchie> we put a hard drive
Dec 01 21:54:46 <torchie> in a phone.
Dec 01 21:55:31 <halfhalo> SLOOOOW
Dec 01 21:55:48 <rsanchez1> solid state drive?
Dec 01 21:56:02 <torchie> what if
Dec 01 21:56:05 <torchie> we put a solid state drive
Dec 01 21:56:06 <torchie> in a phone.
Dec 01 21:56:53 <rsanchez1> I remember seeing this video where they hooked up like 20 SSD's and they could load dozens of programs in seconds
Dec 01 21:57:02 <rsanchez1> MS word, Photoshop, etc
Dec 01 21:57:12 <rsanchez1> not even seconds, pretty much instantaneously
Dec 01 21:58:02 <Loudergood> the boot time for ubuntu on my laptop is pretty insane with a single ssd, I can't imaging an array of them
Dec 01 21:58:33 <rsanchez1> how quickly does it boot?
Dec 01 21:58:46 <torchie> if we make the phone big enough
Dec 01 21:58:49 <torchie> we could totally just put a SATA SSD in it
Dec 01 21:59:03 <rsanchez1> if we make the phone big enough it becomes a tablet
Dec 01 21:59:18 <torchie> and give it a 5 inch screen so nobody notices that they were incapable of making a pocketable smartphone
Dec 01 21:59:19 <dawm_> what if we make a phone thats not a phone
Dec 01 22:00:03 * rsanchez1 just finished downloading and installing wesnoth 
Dec 01 22:01:27 <Loudergood> dawm_: n-gage?
Dec 01 22:01:41 <Loudergood> the world needs more side-talking
Dec 01 22:02:30 <torchie> we could make a tablet
Dec 01 22:02:32 <torchie> and then put an SSD in it!
Dec 01 22:02:43 <torchie> and 72 hour battery.
Dec 01 22:02:54 <torchie> you have 3 days to save the world, heres a palmpad
Dec 01 22:03:43 <rsanchez1> man the wesnoth game is pretty sweet
Dec 01 22:04:06 <rsanchez1> runs a little slow on my pre at stock speed
Dec 01 22:04:10 <rsanchez1> but still pretty good
Dec 01 22:04:19 <torchie> how's the touch interface
Dec 01 22:05:00 <rsanchez1> it's easy to use in my opinion
Dec 01 22:05:06 <rsanchez1> going through the tutorial now
Dec 01 22:05:21 <rsanchez1> tap your guy, tap a location to walk there, or tap an enemy to attack
Dec 01 22:05:56 <rsanchez1> you can drag the map around
Dec 01 22:06:35 <rsanchez1> I have to try the multiplayer next
Dec 01 22:09:48 <rsanchez1> oh wait, looks like it doesn't have multiplayer :(
Dec 01 22:11:41 <rsanchez1> meh, they have a bunch of scenarios anyway
Dec 01 22:11:53 <rsanchez1> definitely recommend
Dec 01 22:25:22 <olaf> hmm, ares debugger is ok, but annoying that there is no active code line marker, because moving throught the code while debugging moves the brownish bar also
Dec 01 22:25:39 <deliciousmorsel> got my coupon
Dec 01 22:25:48 <pandora--> what coupon?
Dec 01 22:27:15 <maik> omg i want to kill ASP right now
Dec 01 22:27:32 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 01 22:28:31 <maik> my hacks and workarounds have been going smoothly, and then i run into this BS where a page posts to another page, and given one condition it 302s to the original page which serves up entirely different content
Dec 01 22:28:38 <maik> and it's dynamic content
Dec 01 22:28:46 <maik> and there's no way that i can see to to that content
Dec 01 22:28:53 <halfhalo> hahahahahaha
Dec 01 22:29:03 <maik> to get to*
Dec 01 22:29:08 * maik smash
Dec 01 22:29:54 <rsanchez1> that's ASP for you
Dec 01 22:30:48 <maik> shit would be fine and dandy if they didn't do this __VIEWSTATE and __EVENTVALIDATION hidden input variable bullshit
Dec 01 22:41:51 <pandora--> pihb
Dec 01 22:42:07 <SineOt> lol
Dec 01 22:45:44 <SineOt> Verizon LTE: 50$ for 5GB. Holy lol
Dec 01 22:46:18 <rsanchez1> wow, and I thought sprint charging $10 was bad
Dec 01 22:47:07 <torchie> verizon's LTE is $50 for the data plan total I believe
Dec 01 22:47:19 <torchie> while sprint is $10bux + the regular data cost
Dec 01 22:48:14 <rsanchez1> oh right, just saw that
Dec 01 22:48:58 <rsanchez1> hmm, verizon will be announcing some LTE smartphones at CES...
Dec 01 22:49:39 <SineOt> ah
Dec 01 22:49:46 <SineOt> so it's 29+20 basically
Dec 01 22:50:20 <SineOt> what is it on sprint? 29+10?
Dec 01 22:50:47 * torchie shrug
Dec 01 22:50:50 <torchie> I'm not paying it
Dec 01 22:50:58 <torchie> I don't like
Dec 01 22:51:00 <torchie> understand money
Dec 01 22:52:25 <deliciousmorsel> Pre2 purchased w/coupon :D
Dec 01 23:06:52 <dawm_> i wish i could draw, or even dump images from my head onto paper/photoshop
Dec 01 23:09:54 <shades> if you can see them in your head you can draw them
Dec 01 23:10:09 <dawm_> no sir i cannot
Dec 01 23:12:17 <rsanchez1> you can, people just vary in how long it takes
Dec 01 23:12:33 <rsanchez1> if you sit down for a few hours each day, you can do it eventually
Dec 01 23:12:39 <rsanchez1> concentrate on the details
Dec 01 23:23:31 <SineOt> yeah pretty much
Dec 01 23:23:36 <SineOt> it takes time but really anyone can do it
Dec 01 23:23:44 <SineOt> just not everyone can put in the time it takes :p
Dec 01 23:23:53 * SineOt is an artist of sorts *cough*
Dec 01 23:34:36 <dawm_> i just need to add teeth to a traffic cone outline ;p
Dec 02 00:07:50 <deliciousmorsel> has anyone written a natural order str compare function
Dec 02 00:08:28 <mugen-> anyone ever have an issue with their dev connecting to the mobile network for voice, but not getting 3g?
Dec 02 00:12:56 <pandora--> mugen-: sure
Dec 02 00:13:04 <pandora--> deliciousmorsel: naturalorder?
Dec 02 00:14:02 <mugen-> i should have phrased that better..
Dec 02 00:14:10 <mugen-> i just did a fresh wipe
Dec 02 00:14:15 <mugen-> no data
Dec 02 00:14:23 <mugen-> vzw says there's no problem on their end
Dec 02 00:14:29 <mugen-> and i can make calls...
Dec 02 00:14:34 <mugen-> any suggestions?
Dec 02 00:14:57 <deliciousmorsel> Natural Order String
Dec 02 00:15:01 <deliciousmorsel> comparison
Dec 02 00:16:04 <deliciousmorsel> found something
Dec 02 00:16:05 <deliciousmorsel> yay
Dec 02 00:23:50 <dawm_> heh
Dec 02 00:24:01 <dawm_> got a Verizon webOS 2.0 hit in the logs
Dec 02 00:24:24 <dawm_> and a 2.0.1 ATT hit
Dec 02 00:26:09 <dawm_> and a 2.0.1 Verizon hit
Dec 02 00:27:04 <dawm_> and another barleywine, except its 'HP webOS Nova-Barleywine'
Dec 02 00:27:18 <pandora--> whoa
Dec 02 00:27:20 <RMind> my guess for verizon is a frankenpre like the sprint one that some people put together
Dec 02 00:29:36 <dawm_> the HP webOS Nova-Barleywine hit was from a .palm.com ip
Dec 02 00:29:41 <dawm_> on 11/11
Dec 02 00:30:11 <dawm_> same exact ip as the previous weird version hits
Dec 02 00:30:25 <rsanchez1> where are you getting these hits?
Dec 02 00:30:32 <dawm_> my own logging
Dec 02 00:30:49 <rsanchez1> yeah, but where
Dec 02 00:31:39 <Tibfib> dawm_: metrix?
Dec 02 00:31:41 <dawm_> some of my apps ping my webserver with a bit of info about the device
Dec 02 00:31:49 <rsanchez1> oh I see
Dec 02 00:31:55 <rsanchez1> I thought it was a website they were visiting
Dec 02 00:32:02 <dawm_> no i had this setup before metrix existed
Dec 02 00:32:08 <rsanchez1> hmm, one of my apps does that too, I wonder...
Dec 02 00:32:09 <dawm_> just havent updated the apps to use metrix ;p
Dec 02 00:32:17 <Tibfib> heh
Dec 02 00:32:34 * Tibfib wonders why his function loses "this"
Dec 02 00:32:56 <rsanchez1> it's not in the proper context?
Dec 02 00:33:02 <rsanchez1> what are you doing to call the function
Dec 02 00:33:11 <codeslaw> what's goin on
Dec 02 00:33:38 <Tibfib> and I get "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ." when I try to bind this.
Dec 02 00:33:52 <haeffb> Tibfib: you're doing it wrong
Dec 02 00:33:54 <codeslaw> what's up? scoping issue?
Dec 02 00:33:59 <Tibfib> haeffb: obviously!
Dec 02 00:33:59 <rsanchez1> sounds like it
Dec 02 00:34:16 <Tibfib> haeffb: got a solution?
Dec 02 00:34:22 <haeffb> do it righter.
Dec 02 00:34:28 <Tibfib> >.<
Dec 02 00:34:42 <codeslaw> tibfib, posted codes
Dec 02 00:34:43 <KGF2009> Perfect advice.
Dec 02 00:34:45 <codeslaw> post*
Dec 02 00:34:52 <rsanchez1> how are you calling the function? in a timeout?
Dec 02 00:36:52 <Tibfib> http://webos.pastebin.com/UyS8Ti47
Dec 02 00:37:16 * Tibfib edited some data :P
Dec 02 00:37:35 <Tibfib> if I do value "tres" it fails
Dec 02 00:37:46 <Tibfib> this is lost in handleAction
Dec 02 00:38:54 <rsanchez1> hmm, could this be bound to the popupSubmenu instead of the assistant (or whatever it is you want this to be)?
Dec 02 00:39:39 <Tibfib> I got this to work outside of handleAction
Dec 02 00:39:51 <BigBiff_pre> ahh yes
Dec 02 00:40:02 <rsanchez1> maybe try making the onChoose function another function of the assistant, then before calling popupSubmenu, do something like: var popupChoose = this.onChooseAssistantFunction.bind(this)
Dec 02 00:40:23 <rsanchez1> then in the popupChoose, do: onChoose: popupChoose
Dec 02 00:40:35 <BigBiff_pre> or
Dec 02 00:40:42 * rsanchez1 could do it in the pastebin
Dec 02 00:40:43 <BigBiff_pre> that=this
Dec 02 00:41:04 <Tibfib> I don't want to pass it. I'll do a seperate function if I have to
Dec 02 00:41:21 <BigBiff_pre> that.scenefunc
Dec 02 00:41:29 <Tibfib> onChoose has this
Dec 02 00:41:34 <Tibfib> handleAction does not.
Dec 02 00:42:23 * Tibfib is perplexed
Dec 02 00:42:49 <BigBiff_pre> heh. my first look at some code in months. me happy
Dec 02 00:44:00 <rsanchez1> http://webos.pastebin.com/JEmUWbyf
Dec 02 00:44:02 <rsanchez1> something like that?
Dec 02 00:44:07 <dawm_> i say add 5 and that should fix it
Dec 02 00:44:12 <BigBiff_pre> I like var that=this myself
Dec 02 00:44:48 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: can't do that, I do this in a listtap and I use some of the items properties in handleAction
Dec 02 00:45:16 <rsanchez1> does the handleAction function require any properties of the items?
Dec 02 00:45:29 <rsanchez1> if not you can bind that separately?
Dec 02 00:45:51 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: it does require some
Dec 02 00:46:06 <Tibfib> stupid code.
Dec 02 00:46:16 <rsanchez1> sounds pretty convoluted
Dec 02 00:46:24 <Tibfib> did var handleAction = function(array){}.bind(this);
Dec 02 00:46:26 <Tibfib> and it works
Dec 02 00:46:44 <rsanchez1> hmm
Dec 02 00:47:02 <rsanchez1> did you have that function handleAction() declaration in your code exactly as you had it in the pastebin?
Dec 02 00:47:29 <Tibfib> pretty much
Dec 02 00:47:31 <KGF2009> I didn't know you could have a function in a function. :o
Dec 02 00:47:48 <dawm_> lol
Dec 02 00:48:01 <rsanchez1> maybe that's why
Dec 02 00:48:07 <rsanchez1> you were declaring the function without a context
Dec 02 00:48:11 <rsanchez1> that's my best guess at least
Dec 02 00:48:18 * Tibfib remembers when he figured out how passing args in functions worked
Dec 02 00:48:41 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: probably.. oh well
Dec 02 00:48:42 <rsanchez1> .bind(this) provides a return value with the function properly bound, it does not automatically bind a function declaration
Dec 02 00:49:36 <Tibfib> I just feel like I've done it before. but probably not
Dec 02 00:50:19 <rsanchez1> prototype allows you to do alot of things to "this"
Dec 02 00:50:48 <Tibfib> I remember I asked palm engineers for help because I didn't understand passing args and they couldn't help me. They had no clue how basic my problem was.
Dec 02 00:51:16 <rsanchez1> passing args?
Dec 02 00:51:20 <Tibfib> yes.
Dec 02 00:51:26 <dawm_> passing gas
Dec 02 00:51:30 <Tibfib> this was when I first started programming.
Dec 02 00:51:48 <rsanchez1> haha, well if you were just starting, you probably phrased the question wrong
Dec 02 00:51:54 * Tibfib totally did
Dec 02 00:52:05 <Tibfib> I'm not blaming palm.. I was stupid :)
Dec 02 00:52:13 <SineOt> you mean the stuff like function(this,that,kitchenSink) right
Dec 02 00:52:22 <Tibfib> yes
Dec 02 00:53:13 <SineOt> Okay. Yeah that's nice to have :9
Dec 02 00:53:32 <Tibfib> heh. seems like forever ago, but I think it was about a year ago
Dec 02 00:56:02 <rsanchez1> you know what I hate? someone adding a review of your app to the app catalog, giving you zero stars, and the review is a complaint about why the app can't be downloaded
Dec 02 00:56:11 <rsanchez1> that's probably an issue with your phone buddy, not my app!
Dec 02 00:56:27 <codeslaw> ya... that's been a problem since day 1
Dec 02 00:56:29 <rwhitby> zero star reviews don't count in the rating as far as I know
Dec 02 00:56:40 <SineOt> yeah, Palm needs to kind of... Tackle that issue. It's kind of lame to say the least
Dec 02 00:56:43 <rsanchez1> ah, they don't?
Dec 02 00:57:02 <rsanchez1> well, they may not count in the ratings, but people browsing the reviews still see those zero stars
Dec 02 00:57:02 <SineOt> then what's the point of a zero star review? to make people think they've got some say?
Dec 02 00:57:04 <Tibfib> those aren't reviews... but "reported problems"
Dec 02 00:57:05 <codeslaw> there was some controversey surrounding the discussion... devs said it was being counted, palm said otherwise
Dec 02 00:57:20 <Tibfib> it is NOT counted, now at least.
Dec 02 00:57:25 <SineOt> Honestly... If I'm going to be judging an app the 3 star reviews tend to be the best ones to read anyways
Dec 02 00:57:38 <codeslaw> good point
Dec 02 00:57:44 <SineOt> 0 stars tend to be flat out retarded and 5 stars often are just "OMG BEST APP EVR K"
Dec 02 00:58:41 <SineOt> (Works great for pretty much everything too, from Yelp to whatever)
Dec 02 00:59:12 <rsanchez1> if they're gonna be doing half-stars, might as well go for three stars instead of five I guess
Dec 02 01:01:28 <SineOt> rsanchez1: it's more that middle of the road reviews will be like, "this is good, this is bad" and be more balanced I guess than either end of the spectrum
Dec 02 01:10:33 <dawm> um.... chrome just decided to eat 1.8gb of memory..
Dec 02 01:11:31 <dawm> i was half tempted to power down, but i figured id wait it out... a whole 10 minutes
Dec 02 01:14:42 <halfhalo> bleh, I've seen worse
Dec 02 01:28:07 <SineOt> rsanchez1: was it you that was fascinated by the Pixi lightbar?
Dec 02 01:28:11 <codeslaw> how do i load up a .vmdk with virtualbox?
Dec 02 01:29:20 <rsanchez1> no not me
Dec 02 01:29:58 <rsanchez1> codeslaw: I think you might want to check the forums on that one
Dec 02 01:47:01 <oil> so there is a "next sibling" css selector, but no previous sibling?
Dec 02 01:47:26 <oil> way to leave stuff out people who decide what goes into css
Dec 02 01:47:33 <halfhalo> who knows, its css!
Dec 02 02:11:46 <rolsworth> Things ate getting really quiet. Can webos make a come back. Things seem to be getting really quiet and now all palm tweets about are photos taken with a palm pre
Dec 02 02:12:12 <rolsworth> The pre killed it for webos
Dec 02 02:12:38 <SineOt> that's like... All that Palm -ever- tweeted about o_o
Dec 02 02:13:01 <Loudergood> my keyboard stopped working...hmm
Dec 02 02:13:47 <rolsworth> There is really nothing happening that's exciting
Dec 02 02:14:12 <Loudergood> are you here to tell us the end is near?
Dec 02 02:14:12 <rolsworth> Take battery out
Dec 02 02:14:23 <Loudergood> a prophet for the mobile age?
Dec 02 02:14:32 <rolsworth> No. Just an observation
Dec 02 02:15:07 <SineOt> Anyways~
Dec 02 02:15:10 * rwhitby notes that rolsworth says basically the same thing every time he joins this channel ...
Dec 02 02:15:27 <SineOt> I don't think Palm has ever really tweeted anything but photos taken with Pres and the Precentral tip of the day type stuff :p
Dec 02 02:15:45 <rolsworth> Someone has to say something. Dead in here
Dec 02 02:16:12 <Loudergood> everyone is jabbering in #webos-internals right now
Dec 02 02:16:33 <rolsworth> That's weird. I guess that's all they have to tweet
Dec 02 02:16:34 <oil> dont tell him other places to go troll
Dec 02 02:16:47 * halfhalo keeps mum
Dec 02 02:17:16 <SineOt> Oh so anyways, on the record: Stingray will be say... a 7" Tablet. Mantaray will be a 10" tablet. Windsor will be a 5" tablet/phone. Those are my totally educated guesses at the last unknowns.
Dec 02 02:17:28 <SineOt> Since it's pretty plain that Broadway is a Pixi 2.
Dec 02 02:17:30 <Loudergood> I hear #flamewars is really nice to hang out in too
Dec 02 02:17:32 <rolsworth> As developers how do u feel ant how dead webos is becoming though
Dec 02 02:17:43 <oil> webos is not dead to me
Dec 02 02:17:46 <oil> i use it as my phone
Dec 02 02:17:51 <oil> and write apps for me to use on it
Dec 02 02:17:56 * oil cares not if anyone else wants it
Dec 02 02:18:02 <SineOt> yeah, probably not the best place to ask that... lol
Dec 02 02:18:04 <rwhitby> webOS is just being born, the head has appeared and the rest of the body should be out by June 2011
Dec 02 02:18:11 <rolsworth> In terms of apparently downloads webos isn't doing well
Dec 02 02:18:17 <Loudergood> makes me feel like a christian right after the crucifixion
Dec 02 02:18:18 <rolsworth> Apps
Dec 02 02:18:36 <rwhitby> anyone who thinks in less than a 5 year timeframe for webOS is not seeing the big picture
Dec 02 02:19:29 <SineOt> yeah, he tried to drive that home during the Churchill Club thing... That webOS isn't a "now" OS, it's a "next 15 years" OS.
Dec 02 02:20:10 <rolsworth> rwhitby: being hearing that for a while.
Dec 02 02:20:35 <halfhalo> that MAY have something do due with the fact its true...
Dec 02 02:20:44 <oil> lol
Dec 02 02:20:52 <SineOt> webOS isn't even 2 years old
Dec 02 02:21:17 <rolsworth> Dates keep changing though. Wheb
Dec 02 02:21:58 <rolsworth> When I first got the pre they said doc editing will be here soon. Year and half later still waiting
Dec 02 02:22:09 <oil> lol
Dec 02 02:22:19 <SineOt> that's a third party issue though
Dec 02 02:22:32 <halfhalo> No, thats a "Blame RIM" issue
Dec 02 02:22:33 <rwhitby> right.  there's a discontinuity when HP bought Palm.  Anything before that is irrelevant.
Dec 02 02:22:57 <rolsworth> I am sure it has something to do with palm
Dec 02 02:23:45 <rwhitby> you're sure hey?
Dec 02 02:25:00 <oil> rwhitby: trolls know everything
Dec 02 02:25:18 <halfhalo> Thats why I know everything!
Dec 02 02:25:25 <oil> cause you're a troll!
Dec 02 02:25:33 <halfhalo> yup
Dec 02 02:25:44 <halfhalo> Now gimme your cookies. This is a trollup!
Dec 02 02:25:45 <oil> not as bad as rolsworth though
Dec 02 02:25:49 <rolsworth> I m sure. Wirc still can't even get in the app catalog. How old is that app? I am sure i used it over a year ago.
Dec 02 02:26:25 * halfhalo fires up the troll engines
Dec 02 02:27:13 <oil> while it is over a year old, it was initially written outside what was acceptable by the app catalog
Dec 02 02:28:20 <rolsworth> Fires up Android market and finds at least 10 irc clients
Dec 02 02:28:36 <SineOt> :U
Dec 02 02:28:41 <rolsworth> 5 doc editors
Dec 02 02:28:49 <SineOt> come on, at least try... this is like a 2 out of 10 effort here
Dec 02 02:29:04 <SineOt> you can do better, rolsworth. I believe in you!
Dec 02 02:29:12 <oil> 10 irc clients that suck don't count
Dec 02 02:29:12 <oil> lol
Dec 02 02:29:49 <rolsworth> I'm actually using one now. Pretty good
Dec 02 02:30:24 <oil> lol
Dec 02 02:31:00 * halfhalo hates every damn android irc client there is
Dec 02 02:31:09 <halfhalo> HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
Dec 02 02:31:16 <oil> "pretty good" out of a pile of crap is still a turd
Dec 02 02:32:53 * halfhalo wonders if anyone here uses couchdb
Dec 02 02:33:06 <rwhitby> I have it installed on my laptop
Dec 02 02:33:08 * SineOt is playing with it right now!
Dec 02 02:33:54 <halfhalo> I have it installed, I can insert stuff, but I have NO idea how to do views or querying
Dec 02 02:36:11 <solix> evenin.. old question, but I was reading blog.palm.. did *everyone(developers) that went to ces receive a free pre2?? or was it hat drawing like.. :) jus curious, & thanks.
Dec 02 02:36:28 <SineOt> it was a raffle... where everyone was a winner!
Dec 02 02:36:34 <halfhalo> Considering CES is in january...
Dec 02 02:36:52 <torchie> I dunno
Dec 02 02:36:53 <torchie> like
Dec 02 02:36:58 <torchie> basing an OS around a "thing"
Dec 02 02:37:09 <torchie> even if the "thing" is the web
Dec 02 02:37:14 <torchie> has this strange, short-term feel to it
Dec 02 02:37:19 <torchie> like
Dec 02 02:37:22 <torchie> carOS
Dec 02 02:37:45 <torchie> potatoOS
Dec 02 02:37:50 <solix> erm, right 1/2halo, I meant the last one, umm.. dev. meeting. :/  my apologeez ;)
Dec 02 02:38:31 <solix> was in NY I think..
Dec 02 02:38:31 <SineOt> torchie, though to be fair, the internet is probably not really a short term thing
Dec 02 02:38:36 <sugardave> oh man, I missed troll time
Dec 02 02:38:42 <torchie> but it's still a thing
Dec 02 02:38:52 <SineOt> unless the world ends in 2 years
Dec 02 02:38:52 <oil> no, he is still here
Dec 02 02:38:53 <torchie> it makes it feel too specific, I guess
Dec 02 02:38:56 <SineOt> then it's kind of moot anyways
Dec 02 02:38:59 <solix> dev days.
Dec 02 02:39:09 <halfhalo> sugardave: but your in time for "help halfhalo with couchdb" time!
Dec 02 02:39:14 <SineOt> although the paint scraper bottom edge on the pre will make a fine weapon in the suburban wastes of a ruined world :U
Dec 02 02:39:22 <sugardave> halfhalo: couchdb stores documents as JSON
Dec 02 02:39:24 <torchie> like what if the web just
Dec 02 02:39:25 <sugardave> glad to help!
Dec 02 02:39:27 <torchie> completely does a 180
Dec 02 02:39:28 <solix> lol sine
Dec 02 02:39:32 <halfhalo> ...
Dec 02 02:39:36 <sugardave> heh
Dec 02 02:40:10 * SineOt ponders a Mad Max car covered in Pres, bottom edge out. Kills thousands.
Dec 02 02:40:35 <Loudergood> they were trying to be the next razr
Dec 02 02:40:57 <SineOt> that's the true reason for the mirrored back
Dec 02 02:41:01 <SineOt> so you can shave with it
Dec 02 02:42:34 <rolsworth> halfhalo: because you are bias towards webo. Andchat is a really good irc client.
Dec 02 02:42:36 <solix> it's to cater to the coke dealers & addicts...
Dec 02 02:42:50 <halfhalo> hehehe.... no its not
Dec 02 02:43:01 <torchie> 5" tablet and 7" tablet?
Dec 02 02:43:01 <halfhalo> And I paid for the donate version as well
Dec 02 02:43:02 <solix> shea! it is. ;)
Dec 02 02:43:02 <torchie> w
Dec 02 02:43:09 <sugardave> rolsworth: and you are biased against webOS, so...yeah
Dec 02 02:44:10 <torchie> why don't we just make a sedan with 6 wheels
Dec 02 02:44:30 <torchie> and a knife that you hold by the blade
Dec 02 02:44:33 <SineOt> torchie: seriously, I think it'll work out like this... Windsor, 5" phone/tablet, Stingray 7" tablet, Mantaray 10"
Dec 02 02:44:42 <torchie> where's the phone
Dec 02 02:45:00 <SineOt> windsor, along with broadway and roadrunner
Dec 02 02:46:15 <halfhalo> YAY HES GONE
Dec 02 02:46:40 <SineOt> although I guess you could do like 4.3" instead of 5 just as easily
Dec 02 02:46:42 <torchie> ;o
Dec 02 02:46:46 <torchie> 3.7"
Dec 02 02:47:04 <SineOt> if it's a slate without a physical keyboard 3.7 might be kind of lame ;o
Dec 02 02:47:19 <torchie> yeah the 3.7 on the droid is a bad aspect ratio for software keyboard
Dec 02 02:47:22 <torchie> if they just
Dec 02 02:47:23 <torchie> ripped the
Dec 02 02:47:28 <torchie> 3.5" retina from the iphone 4
Dec 02 02:48:01 <torchie> they'd bing bada boom an easily forward compatible resolution and have a vertical keyboard with a sensical width
Dec 02 02:48:54 <torchie> anything above 4.0 is just monster truck derby
Dec 02 02:49:08 <torchie> heck, 4.0's pretty monster truck derby too
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