**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 02 02:59:58 2010
Dec 02 04:59:43 <JenP> hi all
Dec 02 04:59:56 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Dec 02 05:00:03 <JenP> hi rod!
Dec 02 05:37:30 <SineOt> okay, this is annoying to say the least.
Dec 02 05:38:40 <halfhalo> thats what she said
Dec 02 05:38:44 <SineOt> :C
Dec 02 05:38:57 <SineOt> I can not for the life of me get it to select a DIV
Dec 02 05:39:45 <mugen-> lol halo
Dec 02 05:41:11 <oil> select a div?
Dec 02 05:41:27 <halfhalo> sudo select a div
Dec 02 05:41:37 <SineOt> yeah, like this.controller.get('myDiv') or $('myDiv') or $$('myDiv')
Dec 02 05:42:25 <SineOt> dot dot dot
Dec 02 05:42:32 <SineOt> oh my god someone punch me in the face right now
Dec 02 05:42:42 <halfhalo> var in quotes?
Dec 02 05:42:54 <SineOt> I spent the last day reading up on scope in Javascript etc
Dec 02 05:43:09 <SineOt> I've been trying to get rotateLeft, when my DIV ID is leftRotate
Dec 02 05:45:34 <mugen-> dude... why'd it take me so long to see inglorious bastards
Dec 02 05:46:03 <mugen-> argh! i keep hearing an alert in the os somewhere... sounds like a whip being cracked
Dec 02 05:46:10 <mugen-> but i don't know what it's "alerting" me to
Dec 02 05:46:28 <SineOt> mugen-: I hallucinate audio alerts sometimes :C
Dec 02 05:46:46 <mugen-> dude it's happening in real life! i swear
Dec 02 05:46:49 * mugen- is not mental.
Dec 02 05:47:01 <mugen-> ...odd yes. mental no.
Dec 02 05:47:14 <SineOt> haha, audo hallucinations aren't really that weird :C
Dec 02 05:47:18 <SineOt> it's like phantom phone vibrate
Dec 02 05:47:24 <mugen-> lol
Dec 02 05:47:32 <mugen-> i SWEAR that never happened to me before my pre
Dec 02 05:47:46 <SineOt> what, phantom phone vibrate?
Dec 02 05:47:46 <mugen-> but ever since... it's all the time now
Dec 02 05:47:47 <mugen-> yea
Dec 02 05:48:04 <SineOt> lol
Dec 02 05:48:12 <SineOt> it's just one of the weird things the brain does
Dec 02 05:48:33 <SineOt> gets to the point that it expects it, so it reacts the same way even when it's something that isn't actually a vibrate
Dec 02 05:51:58 <mugen-> for some reason your explanation reminded me of the Office episode where jim is subliminally screwing with dwight... teaching him to expect a candy every time he hears that sound on the computer
Dec 02 05:53:05 <SineOt> haha
Dec 02 05:53:09 <SineOt> well that's basically what it is
Dec 02 05:53:19 <SineOt> subliminal conditioning
Dec 02 05:53:32 <SineOt> you expect to hear it, or feel it, so you hear it, or feel it
Dec 02 05:57:22 <mugen-> dude
Dec 02 05:57:29 <mugen-> it's right there in colloquy!
Dec 02 05:57:38 <SineOt> hm? what is
Dec 02 05:57:44 <mugen-> whip sound for members leaving chat :P
Dec 02 05:57:52 <mugen-> you're messing with me... you knew that!
Dec 02 05:57:55 <SineOt> oh, lol. Turn those sounds off!
Dec 02 05:57:59 <mugen-> LOL
Dec 02 05:58:10 * SineOt totally forgot that Colloquy even HAD sounds. They were the first thing he turned off
Dec 02 05:58:12 <mugen-> soooooooooooo not apple like
Dec 02 05:58:35 <mugen-> a whip sound?! how barbaric and windows like!
Dec 02 05:58:43 * mugen- rolls his eyes.
Dec 02 05:59:01 <SineOt> they're getting punished for leaving, obvious :T
Dec 02 05:59:10 <mugen-> haha
Dec 02 06:02:50 <mugen-> noooooo
Dec 02 06:02:57 <mugen-> he's choking out diane kruger!
Dec 02 06:05:38 <LoneStar99> who wants to buy a british carrier?
Dec 02 06:06:04 <LoneStar99> http://uoid.me/carrier1
Dec 02 06:07:06 <SineOt> Boo, no engines!
Dec 02 06:09:50 <LoneStar99> no engines... what the heck...
Dec 02 06:12:10 <LoneStar99> can be retro-fitted with some biodiesel engines =)
Dec 02 06:12:29 <LoneStar99> that run on used vegetable oil
Dec 02 06:12:41 <oil> i dont think you can get a better name then "HMS Invincible"
Dec 02 06:12:48 <SineOt> can you imagine how much vegetable oil you'd need to run a ship that size
Dec 02 06:14:07 <halfhalo> "The INvincible has sunk ladies and gentlemen"
Dec 02 06:14:09 <mugen-> i'm with oil
Dec 02 06:14:30 <mugen-> how badass would you be... rolling up in your HMS Invincible
Dec 02 06:14:32 <halfhalo> suck up
Dec 02 06:14:35 <mugen-> paddling or not
Dec 02 06:14:38 <mugen-> still badass
Dec 02 06:14:53 <mugen-> just stick a couple honda outboards on it... you'll be okay
Dec 02 06:17:03 <SineOt> heh
Dec 02 06:18:31 <mugen-> hey sine, is it really beneficial to compile newer colloquy?
Dec 02 06:18:45 <mugen-> what kind of improvements are there? just curious
Dec 02 06:19:11 <SineOt> I can't remember off the top of my head honestly
Dec 02 06:19:16 <SineOt> mostly just little bug fixes
Dec 02 06:19:18 <LoneStar99> mugen-
Dec 02 06:19:21 <LoneStar99> lol
Dec 02 06:20:13 <LoneStar99> HMS Invincible, as a bar would be killer!
Dec 02 06:21:21 <mugen-> LoneStar99:   =D
Dec 02 06:41:32 <ajay_> howdy!
Dec 02 06:42:09 <SineOt> hi!
Dec 02 06:50:53 <LoneStar99> laters all, chat tomara!
Dec 02 06:51:14 <mugen-> nn
Dec 02 06:52:06 <LoneStar99> will put in an bid for the  Invincible in the am
Dec 02 06:52:53 <SineOt> one dollah bob
Dec 02 06:55:22 <LoneStar99> right on, ok laters
Dec 02 07:37:39 <b0bben> morning all
Dec 02 07:38:01 <DarkdowN> mornin b0!
Dec 02 07:38:47 <b0bben> what's up this cold-ass morning
Dec 02 07:42:15 <b0bben> huh, somebody ported webos to htc hero...interesting.
Dec 02 07:43:09 <b0bben> im guessing HP will not be welcoming such hacks in the same way they do with homebrew
Dec 02 07:43:52 <DarkdowN> b0bben: what! wild!
Dec 02 07:46:09 <b0bben> darkdown: yeah, check everythingpre on twitter
Dec 02 07:47:37 <hotdp> whats going on ?
Dec 02 07:55:36 <DarkdowN> b0bben: found Pre on HTC news on WebOSRoundup too, abt to read
Dec 02 07:57:14 <DarkdowN> b0b: I don't know if HP would actually care. Maybe, but I don't feel like Palm would make a bit deal about it, it's really just an extension of homebrew (imho)
Dec 02 07:57:28 <DarkdowN> ah talkin to myself, haha
Dec 02 08:03:25 <hotdp> hehe i am all ears
Dec 02 08:04:45 <DarkdowN> hotdp: did you have any thoughts on any of that then? :)
Dec 02 08:05:12 <oil> homebrew isn't distributing palms code
Dec 02 08:05:23 <oil> there is a big difference between what we do and what they're doing
Dec 02 08:06:12 <hotdp> oil: 100%
Dec 02 08:07:34 <DarkdowN> google hasn't cracked down on anyone tryin to put android on anything (e.g./esp the iPhone port!)
Dec 02 08:08:42 <hotdp> But isnt that because android is "free" ?
Dec 02 08:09:29 <DarkdowN> hotdp: i don't think of android as really free or open, myself
Dec 02 08:09:53 <oil> just because they haven't done anything yet doesn't mean they won't
Dec 02 08:09:59 <oil> and it doesn't mean they can't
Dec 02 08:10:04 <hotdp> DarkdowN: "Source model      Free and open source software"
Dec 02 08:10:29 <DarkdowN> oil: no, but it also doesn't mean that they should.
Dec 02 08:10:38 <oil> but they certainly can
Dec 02 08:10:45 <hotdp> i think they will
Dec 02 08:10:55 <hotdp> HP is more into legal things :D
Dec 02 08:11:06 <oil> i believe you can do whatever you want with plain-jane android
Dec 02 08:11:16 <DarkdowN> hotdp: No doubt. that's why I said I doubt Palm woulda done anything, but HP.. that I can't predict
Dec 02 08:11:18 <oil> but htc, etc's mods aren't open i dont think
Dec 02 08:11:30 <oil> nor are the carrier specific things
Dec 02 08:12:04 <hotdp> i think your right oil
Dec 02 08:12:31 <oil> and webos certainly isn't opensource
Dec 02 08:13:07 <hotdp> thats right
Dec 02 08:13:30 <hotdp> but Android is and i think thats why google don't do anything when they port it to other platforms
Dec 02 08:14:46 <mugen-> google can't do anything
Dec 02 08:14:49 <DarkdowN> Would you classify webOS as less open than MacOSX?
Dec 02 08:15:08 <mugen-> the way it's licensed, they can't litigate people porting it
Dec 02 08:15:11 <oil> linux under webos is obviously open
Dec 02 08:15:19 <oil> but what you think of as webos is not at all
Dec 02 08:16:03 <mugen-> webOS is very much like OSX
Dec 02 08:16:11 <mugen-> free and open source kernel
Dec 02 08:16:15 <mugen-> osx = darwin
Dec 02 08:16:18 <mugen-> webos = linux
Dec 02 08:16:37 <DarkdowN> I ask about MacOSX because I think its a similar model.. I wonder if Micro$oft would care about WindowsMo 7 being pushed/ported
Dec 02 08:16:38 <mugen-> and then they through a proprietary layers on top that does all their jazz
Dec 02 08:17:10 <mugen-> s/through/throw
Dec 02 08:17:37 <mugen-> i'm willing to bet msoft backs wm7 a little tougher than they did their other mobile platforms in the past
Dec 02 08:17:49 <mugen-> they put a lot of effort into rebooting that platform
Dec 02 08:19:15 <mugen-> ... i think they deserve a little win. i think the platform has killer potential, and they did it well. going back to the basics and fundamentals of the core os and rebuilding the whole architecture from ground up
Dec 02 08:19:36 <DarkdowN> mugen-: I guess I wonder if theyll take a Windows-approach to it--that is, not really caring (maybe secretly allowing/embracing?) the rampant OS piracy. builds mkt/mindshare..
Dec 02 08:20:02 <mugen-> i don't think they'll make a stink about piracy
Dec 02 08:20:40 <mugen-> mobile os piracy is so homebrew hacker only type stuff... and only accounts for a tiny fraction of the userbase
Dec 02 08:21:02 <mugen-> for every 1000 phones, there may be 1 - 2 true hackers fiddling around
Dec 02 08:21:10 <mugen-> (might be way off... but who knows)
Dec 02 08:22:27 <mugen-> ...sorry i hijacked the convo :(
Dec 02 08:22:29 <mugen-> my bad
Dec 02 08:23:28 <oil> gosh!
Dec 02 08:27:01 <DarkdowN> mugen-: goin by what youre sayin doesn't sound like HP should care..
Dec 02 08:29:44 <DarkdowN> mugen-: But what I meant more was that if folks tried to put wm7 on more platforms that'd help mickeysoft
Dec 02 08:30:53 <mugen-> i think in the mobile world, os porting is secretly admired among providers of the os
Dec 02 08:31:25 <mugen-> cause like i said... the ratio of users using the phone vs hacking the phone is so little
Dec 02 08:39:47 <DarkdowN> mugen-: Its true, its hard to imagine more than a majority using an android phone and using an unsupported OS on it ..
Dec 02 08:39:54 <mugen-> god the mobile me website is slick
Dec 02 08:40:14 <mugen-> DarkdowN, yup
Dec 02 08:41:41 <DarkdowN> i wonder though.. if the android on ipone gets good, what w/ iOS bein all slow (soon to be unsupported?) if there'll be a lot of defection
Dec 02 08:42:21 <mugen-> huh?
Dec 02 08:42:22 <mugen-> iOS slow?
Dec 02 08:42:49 <DarkdowN> mugen-: I hear iOS 4 is real dogged on iPhone 3G/s
Dec 02 08:43:04 <mugen-> ah... i thought they were being forced to fix that
Dec 02 08:43:19 <mugen-> and no... i don't think iOS users will defect to android
Dec 02 08:43:31 <mugen-> it's an inferior OS...
Dec 02 08:43:53 <DarkdowN> mugen-: given the choice btwn a slow as all iOS 4 and android.. i dunno!
Dec 02 08:43:54 <mugen-> don't get me started on it... as i'm sure the channel is tired of hearing my rants
Dec 02 08:44:02 <mugen-> meh
Dec 02 08:45:00 <mugen-> i'd say the iOS users that are dealing with sluggish phones would be more inclined to upgrade and not be the tinkering type
Dec 02 08:48:16 <DarkdowN> mugen-: assuming a good upgrade comes.. dunno what pre-iPhone 3G/s users are to do..
Dec 02 09:22:13 <DarkdowN> ok think its abt sleepytime
Dec 02 11:01:43 <hotdp> do someone know a app who has a nicly styled list?
Dec 02 11:06:43 <jkovacs> what are you looking for, exactly?
Dec 02 12:07:06 <warpdesign__> hello
Dec 02 12:07:21 <b0bben> warpdesign__: hi there
Dec 02 12:07:37 <warpdesign__> I have a small UI question for webos users
Dec 02 12:07:57 <b0bben> shoot
Dec 02 12:08:01 <warpdesign__> when using the browser, at the bottom left and right there are two icons: the back arrow, and the reload/loading icon
Dec 02 12:08:13 <warpdesign__> is there a way to remove these icons, and only have them when needed ?
Dec 02 12:09:06 <warpdesign__> second one: in landscape mode, the address bar seems to be missing, is there a way to make it appear ? (scrolling the page won't make it appear, unlke portrait mode)
Dec 02 12:09:44 <b0bben> warpdesign__: are you trying to code an app with a webview, or is this a general web browser question?
Dec 02 12:10:04 <warpdesign__> this is a general browser question
Dec 02 12:13:27 <warpdesign__> so ? :)
Dec 02 12:20:49 <b0bben> warpdesign__: there is no "supported" way
Dec 02 12:21:02 <b0bben> there may be some patches in preware
Dec 02 12:21:11 <b0bben> or you could do it yourself, a patch that is
Dec 02 12:25:31 <jkovacs> hey b0bben
Dec 02 12:25:51 <jkovacs> Do you want to try a new version of the plugin?
Dec 02 12:26:32 <b0bben> jkovacs: i'm at work
Dec 02 12:27:05 <b0bben> i can try it later when i'm home
Dec 02 12:27:24 <jkovacs> ok cool :)
Dec 02 12:29:35 <jkovacs> I think I'll put it up on github today
Dec 02 13:25:38 <torchie> yo its cold as FUH
Dec 02 13:34:56 <dawm> http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Dec 02 13:36:47 <dawm> new HP commercial, it has a Pre1 ;P
Dec 02 13:36:47 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuSjIOMnlRY
Dec 02 13:37:41 <dawm> errr..
Dec 02 13:37:42 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7FlCfKJKho
Dec 02 13:37:46 <dawm> whats that tablet?
Dec 02 13:38:37 <bpadalino> good question
Dec 02 13:38:38 <Workenhaven> it's a iKinpad
Dec 02 13:39:18 <bpadalino> it's more like a nook color variant than a kindle
Dec 02 13:39:32 <dawm> big ass power button
Dec 02 13:40:14 <bpadalino> maybe they're suggesting that you're going to have to use it a lot ..
Dec 02 13:40:17 <bpadalino> .. and reboot :(
Dec 02 13:40:44 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 02 13:40:51 <Workenhaven> fine, it's an iKinook
Dec 02 13:41:00 <Workenhaven> that sounds better anyway :p
Dec 02 13:41:38 <bpadalino> iPanook
Dec 02 13:41:45 <dawm> PalmPad ;p
Dec 02 13:43:24 <dawm> its funny looking at the images in a google search for palmpad
Dec 02 13:43:33 <dawm> none of them take in account an area for gestures
Dec 02 13:46:22 <jkovacs> "Empty commit message is not supported for the Git" noooo :(
Dec 02 13:46:31 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 02 13:46:39 <Workenhaven> 90% of my commits are empty comments
Dec 02 14:42:59 <cwgtex> new to irc, how do you start a private message?
Dec 02 14:43:20 <hotdp> what client do you use?
Dec 02 14:43:48 <Workenhaven> it's the same on all clients
Dec 02 14:43:55 <Workenhaven> do /msg nick
Dec 02 14:44:01 <Workenhaven> or just click their name
Dec 02 14:45:39 <cwgtex> insufficient arguments
Dec 02 14:45:42 <cwgtex> hmmm
Dec 02 14:46:08 <hotdp> remember the nick ;)
Dec 02 14:46:17 <cwgtex> as in the nickname?
Dec 02 14:46:23 <hotdp> yer
Dec 02 14:46:31 <hotdp> ect. cwgtex
Dec 02 14:46:41 <cwgtex> i just typed /msg hotdp and got nothing
Dec 02 14:46:50 <cwgtex> i am on the webchat.freenode.net site
Dec 02 14:46:53 <hotdp> Workenhaven you have tried all clients in the world
Dec 02 14:46:59 <cwgtex> is it better to use a client?
Dec 02 14:47:32 <Workenhaven> hotdp it's an irc convention, nothing else works, so yes it's always the same commant
Dec 02 14:47:35 <Workenhaven> command*
Dec 02 14:48:00 <Workenhaven>  /msg nick whatever i want to say
Dec 02 14:48:16 <Workenhaven> you try anything else and the irc server goes "wtf is this command"
Dec 02 14:49:09 <Workenhaven> why you're in the #webos room asking iunno though
Dec 02 14:53:14 <hotdp> Workenhaven was thinking on the "click on name"
Dec 02 14:56:56 <cwgtex> i'm here to learn more about webos, just needed a quick crash course in sending a message
Dec 02 14:58:22 <torchie> does palm plan to support javascript touch events in webos any time soon
Dec 02 14:58:53 <torchie> is it in 2.0
Dec 02 14:59:10 <Workenhaven> well you can use html mouse events to call js scripts
Dec 02 15:01:58 <torchie> so no js touch events?
Dec 02 15:02:11 <Workenhaven> i have no idea
Dec 02 15:05:18 <torchie> argh
Dec 02 15:05:21 <torchie> adsfa;sdflkasjla;skdjga;sdlj
Dec 02 15:05:44 <torchie> there goes my js touch idea
Dec 02 16:11:18 <sugardave> morning
Dec 02 16:12:51 <halfhalo> MORNING!!! I'LL SHOW YOU MORNING!!!
Dec 02 16:13:02 * halfhalo hasn't had his coke today
Dec 02 16:41:46 <codeslaw_> morning
Dec 02 16:45:10 <halfhalo> murn
Dec 02 16:53:35 <dawm> halfhalo, do you collect the coke cap codes?, or were you talking about the powder coke? :P
Dec 02 16:53:53 <halfhalo> Ihah
Dec 02 16:54:00 <halfhalo> :p
Dec 02 16:58:06 <codeslaw_> powder? or power.
Dec 02 16:58:26 <halfhalo> its ze liquid coke
Dec 02 16:58:40 <Workenhaven> yea
Dec 02 16:58:49 <Workenhaven> you mix it with baking soda and water
Dec 02 16:58:53 <dawm> heh
Dec 02 16:59:02 <dawm> there's an app for the coke codes (US only)
Dec 02 16:59:21 <dawm> time to cut some stickers
Dec 02 16:59:23 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 02 16:59:29 <Workenhaven> i drink so many cokes
Dec 02 16:59:32 <Workenhaven> but i've never done that
Dec 02 16:59:38 <dawm> you should grab the app :P
Dec 02 16:59:41 <dawm> its purty
Dec 02 16:59:49 <Workenhaven> i go through a 24 pack a week
Dec 02 17:00:12 <dawm> i drink mtndew.. so take a guess at how hard it was for me to make that app :P
Dec 02 17:00:46 <LoneStar99> hello all
Dec 02 17:00:47 <dawm> had to dig thru the pop bottle bin at work for a week
Dec 02 17:00:53 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 02 17:01:18 <LoneStar99> Workenhaven:  i go through a 24 pack of brew a week, if that makes u feel better =)
Dec 02 17:02:15 <Workenhaven> depends on what kind of beer it is
Dec 02 17:03:15 <CTLAdvance|2> mmm
Dec 02 17:15:06 <jkovacs> http://gizmodo.com/5704158/ :-)
Dec 02 17:16:48 * sugardave drinks too much Dr. Pepper.  "I can easily get through 8 a day."
Dec 02 17:19:54 <jkovacs> Oh my webOS plugin for JetBrains WebStorm (et. al.) is now available for download and on GitHub, if anybody happens to care about it :) =>http://j.mp/faDlN8
Dec 02 17:21:30 <hotdp> hørte du noget?
Dec 02 17:59:54 <codeslaw_> hmm
Dec 02 18:16:39 <AndChat-> How can they figure the market share of webos and palm OS combined is 1.3% based on a survey
Dec 02 18:17:51 <halfhalo> magic?
Dec 02 18:19:08 <hotdp> they raffle
Dec 02 18:19:28 <Workenhaven> 1 vote on the survey = num.rand();
Dec 02 18:20:03 <DaDirtyPanda> yup
Dec 02 18:20:13 <Workenhaven> and i'm not even joking
Dec 02 18:20:34 <Workenhaven> survey groups use an arbitrary number to multiple by based on "research"
Dec 02 18:20:41 <Workenhaven> multiply*
Dec 02 18:20:48 <halfhalo> so, who wants to bet on who AndChat-  is?
Dec 02 18:21:17 <AndChat-> Ohmmeter didn't realize I connected with tuft name
Dec 02 18:21:59 <Workenhaven> you know you can do /nick right?
Dec 02 18:22:03 <Workenhaven> and it changes your nick
Dec 02 18:22:04 <rolsworth> 1.3 sounds about right though.
Dec 02 18:22:27 <rolsworth> Disconnect reconnect faster
Dec 02 18:22:36 <Workenhaven> how is that faster?
Dec 02 18:22:53 <Workenhaven> than typing 13 characters?
Dec 02 18:22:58 <Workenhaven> :P
Dec 02 18:23:20 <rolsworth> Because I join other channels that requires a nick log in. I don't want to type that command out
Dec 02 18:23:55 <Workenhaven> ah
Dec 02 18:27:51 <deliciousmorsel> i like how HP had overnight shipping for $9
Dec 02 18:27:53 <deliciousmorsel> thats nice.
Dec 02 18:27:57 <deliciousmorsel> not as good as amazon prime.
Dec 02 18:27:59 <deliciousmorsel> but still godo
Dec 02 18:59:16 <dawm> there, just busted out $50 bux (if they all sell) of stickers
Dec 02 18:59:19 <dawm> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dawm/graphics/IMG_1101.jpg
Dec 02 19:17:05 <sugardave> aww jeez, not this shit again
Dec 02 19:17:28 <hotdp> sugardave what shit?
Dec 02 19:18:11 <sugardave> "webOS sucks, wah, there are no irc clients, wah, how can people still develop for webOS, wah"
Dec 02 19:18:55 <sugardave> "If there aren't 10 shitty solutions for every perceived need, then the platform sucks and nobody should mess with it anymore.  Wah"
Dec 02 19:19:56 <dawm> atleast the scary palm girl had people talking about it
Dec 02 19:20:07 <dawm> theres nothing as far as advertising
Dec 02 19:20:31 <hotdp> sugardave: where do you read that?
Dec 02 19:21:17 <sugardave> I'm paraphrasing a conversation I wasn't part of.  Our resident troll...again
Dec 02 19:21:45 <dawm> i was at a restraunt last week and me and my friend were doing stuff on our Pre's and the waitress was liike is that a Pre? we're like yah? and she said 'Oh Cool, i got a Pixi the other day' and that was it
Dec 02 19:21:56 <pandora--> lol
Dec 02 19:21:59 <pandora--> did you get her number?
Dec 02 19:22:05 <sugardave> heh
Dec 02 19:22:08 <pandora--> i mean, you're already talking phones
Dec 02 19:22:19 <pandora--> i used my palm III to get some numbers
Dec 02 19:22:25 <pandora--> which is really weird that it worked
Dec 02 19:22:28 <pandora--> really weird
Dec 02 19:22:36 <dawm> lol kinda wasnt an option seeing as my friend that was with me wasnt just a friend heh
Dec 02 19:22:45 <dawm> she might have gotten mad
Dec 02 19:22:52 <pandora--> a handful of girls grabbed it and input their contact info in my address book
Dec 02 19:22:58 <pandora--> badass. palm III ftw
Dec 02 19:23:03 <dawm> lol
Dec 02 19:23:16 <pandora--> dawm: ahhhhh
Dec 02 19:23:20 <dawm> i still have a handspring visor somewhere
Dec 02 19:23:24 <dawm> in its original box even
Dec 02 19:23:44 <dawm> er visor prism to be exact
Dec 02 19:23:47 <dawm> color;D
Dec 02 19:26:03 <hotdp> sugardave: whats the name?
Dec 02 19:26:29 <sugardave> renegaid/rolsworth/AndChat
Dec 02 19:27:58 <hotdp> lol
Dec 02 20:06:24 <codeslaw_> does node.js allow for saving binary data
Dec 02 20:07:13 <sugardave> codeslaw_: maybe
Dec 02 20:07:36 <codeslaw_> palm hasn't given us toDataURL on the canvas, so i need to implement the same functionality myself
Dec 02 20:07:49 <codeslaw_> that is, take a pixel array, encode, and save it
Dec 02 20:19:15 <codeslaw_> anyone know if we can use node modules written in c?
Dec 02 20:19:23 <halfhalo> niet
Dec 02 20:19:31 <codeslaw_> you dont know, or we can't?
Dec 02 20:19:41 <halfhalo> can't
Dec 02 20:19:44 <codeslaw_> damnit
Dec 02 20:19:52 <halfhalo> what module did you want?
Dec 02 20:19:56 <codeslaw_> node-png
Dec 02 20:20:57 <halfhalo> yup, can't use it since it needs other stuff as well
Dec 02 20:21:27 <codeslaw_> ya
Dec 02 20:26:39 <b0bben_> evening all
Dec 02 20:26:48 <torchie> man
Dec 02 20:26:59 <torchie> you guys ever see the five obstructions
Dec 02 20:27:53 <b0bben> torchie: no, what's that?
Dec 02 20:28:31 <torchie> this movie about this director that challenges another director to remake one of his movies five times
Dec 02 20:28:40 <torchie> and each time under different limitations
Dec 02 20:33:24 <b0bben> hmm, i recollect something about that, haven't seen it
Dec 02 20:33:26 <b0bben> any good?
Dec 02 20:33:34 <torchie> absolutely brilliant
Dec 02 20:33:51 <b0bben> you all need to go to spacelog.org and check out logs from Apollo13
Dec 02 20:33:57 <b0bben> that is some awesome shit right there
Dec 02 20:34:05 <torchie> spaaaaaaaaaaace
Dec 02 20:39:12 <b0bben> the frontier that was final and stuff
Dec 02 20:46:35 <SineOt> It sure seems like Symbian is kind of uh, dead :B
Dec 02 20:46:54 <SineOt> Shuttering all the sites, if you want to see comments on bugs etc you have to pay to have a hard copy shipped to you
Dec 02 20:49:38 <b0bben> SineOt: that last thing, about things being shipped
Dec 02 20:49:49 <b0bben> that must be the stupidest thing i've heard ever
Dec 02 20:51:32 <SineOt> yeah. It's like, cool, take a system that a lot of people think is behind the times and... Completely pull it off the internet!
Dec 02 20:51:54 <SineOt> Everything Symbian related is getting killed. Twitter feeds, Facebook pages, the sites themselves.
Dec 02 20:52:49 <SineOt> Even the like, developer wiki apparently, lol :B
Dec 02 20:53:13 <SineOt> Will go down December 17th and you won't be able to get a copy of it mailed to you until "around January 31st."
Dec 02 20:56:02 <b0bben> some of my coworkers use to work for symbian and UIQ
Dec 02 20:56:02 <torchie> so this means nokia will get off their asses and make a sweet meego phone right?
Dec 02 20:56:08 <torchie> and that it'll be arm based?
Dec 02 20:56:10 <torchie> and on sprint?
Dec 02 20:56:11 <torchie> :D?
Dec 02 20:56:14 <b0bben> they have some horror stories to tell
Dec 02 20:56:44 <SineOt> haha
Dec 02 20:56:58 <SineOt> Nokia says that Symbian won't go away for their "enterprise" hardware
Dec 02 20:57:32 <SineOt> and I'm pretty sure Meego right now is ARM based, unless you've got one of those weird Intel powered handsets that costs like a thousand bucks :B
Dec 02 20:58:08 <torchie> good good
Dec 02 21:01:50 <SineOt> Meego on the netbook is pretty awesome... Even if it LOVES to use like 38 point font for instant messages :I
Dec 02 21:06:15 <codeslaw_> anyone working on hybrids
Dec 02 21:06:44 * oil does mojo for hybrids
Dec 02 21:06:49 <b0bben> dude, those astronauts were hardcore! they're setting bits in the computers and shit inflight
Dec 02 21:07:24 <codeslaw_> oil: passing a massive pixel array into a plugin for encoding to png -- best way to send it?
Dec 02 21:07:54 <oil> there is only one, no?
Dec 02 21:08:02 <codeslaw_> string?
Dec 02 21:08:13 <codeslaw_> i dont know, i haven't done any playing with the plugin stuff
Dec 02 21:08:14 <oil> way to send data from js to the plugin
Dec 02 21:08:28 <oil> you expose the method in the plugin then in the js you do plugin.method()
Dec 02 21:08:34 <oil> and you can send data
Dec 02 21:08:39 <codeslaw_> ya but i can't just pass in an array can i?
Dec 02 21:08:50 <oil> um, i dont know
Dec 02 21:09:00 <oil> we have only been passing strings
Dec 02 21:09:01 <halfhalo> god this is annoying me
Dec 02 21:09:15 <codeslaw_> i think you only can pass strings
Dec 02 21:09:38 <halfhalo> yay JSON.stringify!
Dec 02 21:09:53 <oil> but then you have to parse it out in c
Dec 02 21:10:10 <codeslaw_> i'd rather deal with a csv than a json array
Dec 02 21:10:19 <oil> yeah
Dec 02 21:11:20 <b0bben> (spacelog cont.) haha, they actually called their onboard computer Hal
Dec 02 21:12:39 <SineOtter> Hal-9000 was simply misunderstoooooood
Dec 02 21:13:04 <oil> "i can't let you do that, dave"
Dec 02 21:13:34 <codeslaw_> "i've experienced an out-of-bounds exception, dave"
Dec 02 21:14:25 <SineOtter> "I can't let you do that, Dave... Not without a hug first~" c:
Dec 02 21:17:27 <SineOtter> mornin' chuqui
Dec 02 21:19:28 <chuqui> morning!
Dec 02 21:20:30 <b0bben> alright ppl, time for my peer to reset the connection
Dec 02 21:20:47 <b0bben> keep it real and see you all
Dec 02 21:20:48 <b0bben> gn
Dec 02 21:25:16 <SineOtter> heh, that's kind of creepy :p
Dec 02 21:25:23 <SineOtter> Meego will refer to itself in... Third person.
Dec 02 21:25:32 <SineOtter> "I've noticed your battery is low."
Dec 02 21:27:26 <codeslaw_> isn't that first person
Dec 02 21:27:44 <codeslaw_> third person would be "Meego has noticed..."
Dec 02 21:27:44 <SineOtter> Er. Yes. First person! No idea where third came from.
Dec 02 21:27:58 * SineOtter is totally not paying attention right now.
Dec 02 21:33:43 <Tibfib> yes!! An rpg is out for webOS!
Dec 02 21:33:55 <codeslaw_> haven't there been a few
Dec 02 21:34:08 <Tibfib> rts style
Dec 02 21:34:12 <codeslaw_> ah
Dec 02 21:34:22 <Tibfib> and advanced ones.
Dec 02 21:34:53 * Tibfib makes 400mb of room on his pre
Dec 02 21:38:00 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.wulven.wesnoth to anyone interested
Dec 02 21:39:31 * Tibfib hopes it is good
Dec 02 22:24:11 <sebastianha> is there a way to call a servicerequest in the app-assistant in handleLaunch?
Dec 02 22:25:48 <Tibfib> yes
Dec 02 22:25:58 <sebastianha> how?
Dec 02 22:26:00 * Tibfib finds code
Dec 02 22:26:03 <sebastianha> ok
Dec 02 22:26:19 <Tibfib> new Mojo.Service.Request instead of this.controler.serviceRequest
Dec 02 22:26:24 <Tibfib> "new Mojo.Service.Request"
Dec 02 22:26:31 <sebastianha> thanks alot
Dec 02 22:26:44 <Tibfib> yep
Dec 02 22:28:18 <sebastianha> works fine, thanks again :)
Dec 02 22:28:30 <Tibfib> no problemo
Dec 02 23:03:56 <Tibfib> how do you convert a date obj to a integer?
Dec 02 23:04:22 <halfhalo> toString?
Dec 02 23:04:29 <halfhalo> Solves everything
Dec 02 23:04:52 <solix> or not toString, that's the question.. ;)
Dec 02 23:05:04 <halfhalo> no, no, you toString
Dec 02 23:05:09 <halfhalo> then you eval
Dec 02 23:05:28 <Loudergood> toNinja
Dec 02 23:05:47 <Tibfib> halfhalo: good plan
Dec 02 23:06:22 * halfhalo uses toString to store functions in JSON
Dec 02 23:07:58 <Tibfib> actually, I guess I don't need it to be a pure integer.. I can do comparisons without it being one
Dec 02 23:19:55 <dawm> yay! replacement tivo on its way.. hopefully this one doesnt short out after an hour..
Dec 02 23:25:11 <sugardave> halfhalo: var newFunction = new Function(string);
Dec 02 23:25:16 <sugardave> no eval required :D
Dec 02 23:26:03 <halfhalo> bah, eval is shorter
Dec 02 23:26:13 <sugardave> and dangerous-er
Dec 02 23:26:32 <halfhalo> yeah... but its sanitized datas!
Dec 02 23:27:38 <halfhalo> that, and I already typed eval
Dec 02 23:27:50 <sugardave> heh
Dec 02 23:41:11 <famerdave> Hey. Can you still get free developer palm phones or what?
Dec 02 23:41:25 <nyceane> codeslaw, are you here?
Dec 02 23:41:48 <sugardave> famerdave: I think that is over...you can get a $200 coupon for the Pre 2, though
Dec 02 23:41:48 <famerdave> Hey. Can you still get free developer palm phones or what? Someting about a 200 dollar discount???
Dec 02 23:42:04 <famerdave> how much does that make the pre 2
Dec 02 23:42:15 <sugardave> however much HP sells them for - $200
Dec 02 23:42:17 <Tibfib> famerdave: email palm
Dec 02 23:42:18 <Tibfib> I'll give you an email to a rep
Dec 02 23:42:30 <famerdave> Ok....
Dec 02 23:42:32 <famerdave> thanks
Dec 02 23:54:28 <nyceane> sugardave
Dec 02 23:54:39 <nyceane> I think its $200 after the $200 discount
Dec 02 23:55:03 <dawm> 249 i thought
Dec 02 23:56:50 <nyceane> not bad deal, I just dont have a GSM carrier
Dec 02 23:56:58 <nyceane> but I'll do use it for testing regardless
Dec 02 23:57:12 <nyceane> did anybody get the HP Envy 17 yet?
Dec 03 00:23:32 <mugen-> yay! just got two pixi+ for $125 one refurb, the other 3 days old :D
Dec 03 00:23:54 <Loudergood> nice
Dec 03 00:35:38 <maik> the problem i discovered yesterday is unfixable and means i either a) need to push an update every time the values i'm looking for change, or b) i'm screwed
Dec 03 00:37:28 <maik> hmm, or c) i could maintain a database with the current values and have the app check-in every time it runs...
Dec 03 00:39:29 <nyceane> hey, did anybody got the HP envy 17 yet?
Dec 03 00:40:42 <mugen-> awe... does the pixi+ not come with a TS backing?
Dec 03 00:41:45 <rwhitby> I think it depends on the carrier.
Dec 03 00:45:17 <mugen-> vzw
Dec 03 00:45:33 <mugen-> hmm.. boo :( i have three TS stations and now no backing
Dec 03 00:45:44 <mugen-> but atleast i have a phone that works now :D
Dec 03 00:45:51 * mugen- is a happy camper
Dec 03 00:46:15 <nyceane> codeslaw, are you here?
Dec 03 00:55:48 <famerdave> I need a Palm for a good price....
Dec 03 00:56:31 <famerdave> Is there any way to get one....I am a iOS developer slowly porting my apps to palm so I need a cheap Palm....I wish Palm was still doing ther free palm things.....
Dec 03 00:56:38 <oil> try ebay
Dec 03 00:57:01 <famerdave> K, I think Palm is doing a nice price on that Palm 2
Dec 03 00:57:10 <famerdave> for developers
Dec 03 00:57:16 <oil> they're giving out $200 off coupons
Dec 03 00:57:21 <oil> which brings it down to like $450 or something
Dec 03 00:57:33 <famerdave> The price I sean at HP was 450
Dec 03 00:58:08 <famerdave> It is 449 on Palm with 200 off.
Dec 03 00:58:34 <famerdave> I really wish the would do there old free palm thing.....
Dec 03 00:58:49 <dawm> screw this webOS crap. im gonna get a droid.. who needs multitasking anyways?
Dec 03 00:59:17 <famerdave> lol
Dec 03 00:59:21 <famerdave> iPhone
Dec 03 00:59:36 <famerdave> Im a iPhone developer...and webOS
Dec 03 01:00:08 <dawm> im never gonna see a pre2 unless i switch carriers
Dec 03 01:00:15 <dawm> stupid sprint
Dec 03 01:01:19 <BMyers> hi all
Dec 03 01:01:46 <dawm> matter of fact i need to get my pre replaced before they dont have anymore. i dont think its gonna last forever
Dec 03 01:02:17 * oil is going to cannibalize a pre2 and a sprint pre- to make a sprint pre2 :)
Dec 03 01:02:55 <BMyers> oil have all the ID / catalog issues been worked out yet?
Dec 03 01:03:25 * oil is waiting for them to be
Dec 03 01:04:07 <dawm> me too
Dec 03 01:06:13 <oil> ka6sox just bought a pre- off ebay for which to experiment
Dec 03 01:06:23 <maik> argh, i forget.  in CSS can i do #foo#bar { property: value; } to have elements with the id of #foo and #bar styled the same?
Dec 03 01:06:34 <halfhalo> lol, I would have donated my pre- for that
Dec 03 01:06:40 <famerdave> I think
Dec 03 01:06:41 <dawm> comma
Dec 03 01:06:46 <oil> #foo, #bar {property: value;}
Dec 03 01:06:49 <dawm> #foo,#bar { }
Dec 03 01:07:01 <halfhalo> it already doesn't have correct tokens on it anywho
Dec 03 01:07:08 <maik> thanks
Dec 03 01:07:52 <famerdave> Think I am going to get a Palm Pre 2 with the discount
Dec 03 01:08:45 <BMyers> did any pre2's find their way to ebay?
Dec 03 01:09:01 <maik> famerdave: Pre 2 is definitely the way to go
Dec 03 01:09:14 <dawm> bmyers theres a couple on there
Dec 03 01:09:24 <dawm> heh one is $714.66USD
Dec 03 01:09:29 <BMyers> i figured they would..
Dec 03 01:09:34 <BMyers> 714 seems a little pricey
Dec 03 01:09:38 <dawm> well you can buy em
Dec 03 01:09:39 <maik> though running a Pixi may be a good indicator of what a webOS phone with terrible specs will do with your app :)
Dec 03 01:09:43 <dawm> from HP and over in euro
Dec 03 01:10:39 <dawm> lol
Dec 03 01:10:45 <dawm> mine kinda looks like this.. but not as bad
Dec 03 01:10:46 <dawm> http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/7/1/6/5/9/webimg/429414036_o.jpg
Dec 03 01:11:02 * torchie scours craigslist again
Dec 03 01:11:15 <torchie> right now all the pres in my area are $100
Dec 03 01:11:16 <dawm> 2 abused pre's $130
Dec 03 01:11:17 <dawm> http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-2-Palm-Pre-P100EWW-Sprint-WiFi-Slide-Phone-CDMA-/270672955688?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3f055d8928
Dec 03 01:11:23 <torchie> and a hero in my area is $75
Dec 03 01:11:24 <torchie> :(
Dec 03 01:12:03 <dawm> heh
Dec 03 01:12:08 <torchie> OH SHIT NEW POSTING
Dec 03 01:12:12 <dawm> Verizon Pre Plus 2 Dummy phone
Dec 03 01:12:20 <dawm> so VZW is gonna call it a PP2?
Dec 03 01:12:26 <torchie> 60BUX
Dec 03 01:13:01 <oil> pre plus 2? fail
Dec 03 01:13:07 <torchie> FUCK
Dec 03 01:13:14 <torchie> this guy is 25 miles away
Dec 03 01:13:28 <dawm> thts far?
Dec 03 01:13:51 <torchie> I don't have a car and the transit system here is derp
Dec 03 01:14:05 <dawm> ahh ok
Dec 03 01:14:08 <dawm> makes sense now
Dec 03 01:15:06 <mugen-> torchie, i <3 craigslist... just got me two pixi+ for a little over a benjamin!
Dec 03 01:15:26 <torchie> om
Dec 03 01:15:27 <torchie> uh
Dec 03 01:15:29 <torchie> I'm scared
Dec 03 01:15:32 <torchie> when I call on the phone
Dec 03 01:15:38 <torchie> does that mean "I'm buying right the fuck now"
Dec 03 01:15:45 <torchie> or does it mean "I would like to schedule a meetup tomorrow"
Dec 03 01:16:32 <torchie> http://orlando.craigslist.org/for/2091774220.html
Dec 03 01:16:36 <KGF2009> It means whatever you mean it to mean.
Dec 03 01:16:49 <torchie> how do I know you mean that
Dec 03 01:18:01 <mugen-> lol
Dec 03 01:18:07 <torchie> at least here to winter springs is more of a straight-lined drive
Dec 03 01:18:12 <torchie> just gotta figure out how to bus
Dec 03 01:18:29 <dawm> see if he'd ship it
Dec 03 01:18:33 <torchie> the crap I do for phones, lord almighty.
Dec 03 01:18:49 <dawm> or even deliever for an extra $10
Dec 03 01:19:14 * techrush just ordered a lg optimus to hold him over until the next palm phone comes to sprint
Dec 03 01:19:15 <torchie> so I can haggle
Dec 03 01:19:22 <torchie> I had plans to do that
Dec 03 01:19:32 <torchie> but it would use up my upgrade money
Dec 03 01:19:38 <famerdave> idk what phone i am foing to get
Dec 03 01:19:42 <torchie> I'd get a hero
Dec 03 01:19:45 <torchie> but a hero is just not a pre
Dec 03 01:20:16 <torchie> it's frustrating, "what phone are you trying to get?"
Dec 03 01:20:19 <torchie> "I don't know, it doesn't exist yet!"
Dec 03 01:20:24 <techrush> cant believe the #webos irc has devolved into talking about which android phone to buy :(
Dec 03 01:20:45 <BMyers> yeah its silly. evo obviously...
Dec 03 01:20:51 <techrush> haha
Dec 03 01:21:09 <torchie> i hate phones :(
Dec 03 01:21:31 <dawm> BAH
Dec 03 01:21:31 <mugen-> no you don't
Dec 03 01:21:32 <dawm> http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/i-need-a-dollar
Dec 03 01:21:35 <mugen-> you looooooooooooooooooooove them
Dec 03 01:21:35 <dawm> that guy is clever
Dec 03 01:21:37 <torchie> webos is ice water in hell
Dec 03 01:22:59 <nyceane> codeslaw, are you here?
Dec 03 01:23:11 <nyceane> hey, does anybody know anybody got the HP Envy 17 yet?
Dec 03 01:23:19 <torchie> if there could just be a pre that didn't break
Dec 03 01:25:19 <torchie> oh hey the guy works closer
Dec 03 01:28:32 <torchie> alright so new pre tomorrow
Dec 03 01:29:07 <mugen-> what happened to your old one dude?
Dec 03 01:29:53 <torchie> volume rocker broke, earpiece broke, stuck in headphone mode now, possibly screwed up flash memory, large crack in the side, volume button spring broke
Dec 03 01:30:11 <torchie> and since yesterday it's been doing this thing where if I plug in a headset while playing a song it like
Dec 03 01:30:21 <torchie> either hangs up a call or goes to the next song
Dec 03 01:34:34 <mugen-> ack...
Dec 03 01:34:39 <mugen-> no bueno
Dec 03 01:34:50 <torchie> yeah I hope this next one lasts until like
Dec 03 01:34:51 <torchie> after march
Dec 03 01:35:02 <torchie> and that there's either a new webOS or meego phone next march
Dec 03 01:35:20 <torchie> on sprignaigaihgiant
Dec 03 01:37:32 <torchie> I'm gonna go conduct a pagan ritual the divine protection of pre #4
Dec 03 01:43:45 <destinal> dawm: lmao re: I need a dollar.
Dec 03 01:45:21 <mugen-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhXQ_1CQjg&feature=player_embedded
Dec 03 01:45:24 <mugen-> that's sweet!
Dec 03 01:47:03 <mbodevlab> Hello everybody
Dec 03 01:57:02 <haeffb> torchie: pre2 is solid.
Dec 03 01:57:12 <torchie> pre2 is not on sprint
Dec 03 01:57:18 <torchie> :d
Dec 03 01:57:26 <haeffb> yeah, I know. but it's a nice evolution of pre
Dec 03 01:57:27 <torchie> and also 250bux
Dec 03 01:57:35 <torchie> how much more solid we talking here?
Dec 03 01:57:43 <torchie> I'm pretty much never trusting a slider again
Dec 03 01:57:50 <haeffb> the one I have is nice.
Dec 03 01:58:12 <haeffb> It's like a pre, but like a pre that fixes all the pre stuff.
Dec 03 01:58:23 <mugen-> any pixi users have a nice govnah setup they can share?
Dec 03 01:58:31 <torchie> it even fixes the fact that it's on sprint
Dec 03 01:58:35 <Loudergood> it feels like a rock next to my pre plus
Dec 03 01:58:37 * torchie OHHHHH
Dec 03 01:58:41 * haeffb is disappointed that it's not on sprint.
Dec 03 01:58:58 * haeffb is considering dumping sprint because they don't have the pre2
Dec 03 01:59:10 <torchie> I'd like a pre2 but not enough to drop all of my "new phone" money on it
Dec 03 01:59:19 <Wolvenhaven> i want one
Dec 03 01:59:22 <Wolvenhaven> but i just blew $1k
Dec 03 01:59:23 <torchie> not without a FFC and gyroscope
Dec 03 01:59:25 <Wolvenhaven> so i have no toy money
Dec 03 01:59:26 * Loudergood thinks the different carrier standards crap is getting old
Dec 03 01:59:45 <torchie> when I move to france this'll all be a thing of the past
Dec 03 01:59:50 <haeffb> I will wait until early 2011, and if sprint doesn't come up with a new webOS phone...I'm gone.
Dec 03 01:59:51 <torchie> and I'll go on 30 day vacations
Dec 03 02:00:26 <torchie> and nude beaches
Dec 03 02:00:28 <Loudergood> only 30?
Dec 03 02:00:30 <torchie> and the riviera
Dec 03 02:00:33 <torchie> with my palm pre 2
Dec 03 02:00:42 <haeffb> nude beaches are a myth
Dec 03 02:00:49 <torchie> ok then scratch out the nude beaches
Dec 03 02:00:50 <haeffb> well, not a myth, but more like...
Dec 03 02:00:50 <Loudergood> guy in one of the other channels I'm in is in denmark, seems like he works 2 weeks a month
Dec 03 02:00:51 <torchie> the clothed beaches
Dec 03 02:01:07 <Loudergood> I'd settle for topless ones
Dec 03 02:01:09 <torchie> damn
Dec 03 02:01:12 <torchie> time to go to denmark
Dec 03 02:01:12 <haeffb> ...beaches with nude ladies that you really didn't want to see nude.
Dec 03 02:01:13 <Loudergood> compromise
Dec 03 02:01:18 <torchie> well how are the hours in sweden
Dec 03 02:01:27 <torchie> or finland
Dec 03 02:01:47 <Loudergood> isn't sweden the place where men get maternity leave for like 6 months?
Dec 03 02:02:22 <torchie> is that before the baby is born
Dec 03 02:02:33 <Loudergood> after
Dec 03 02:02:41 <torchie> that's friggin amazing
Dec 03 02:03:36 <torchie> so it's a paid leave?
Dec 03 02:03:55 <Loudergood> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/world/europe/10iht-sweden.html
Dec 03 02:04:16 <torchie> I wonder how much better of a place the world would be if all companies were required to pay parents to leave and, together, take care of their kids during their formative months
Dec 03 02:04:31 <Loudergood> ok so it looks like it's a combined 13 months, minimum 2 months for the fathers
Dec 03 02:18:28 <haeffb> torchie: 240 months?
Dec 03 02:19:18 <torchie> if only there were 240 month leaves
Dec 03 02:20:41 <destinal> torchie: that sounds horrible, require companies to pay, have you any thought to the companies that would go under due to inefficiency and lost productivity and what happens to the families of those who would lose their jobs when it does (not to mention the employer)
Dec 03 02:21:05 <destinal> nothing comes from nothing
Dec 03 02:21:11 <torchie> come on
Dec 03 02:21:13 <torchie> it's only 240 months
Dec 03 02:21:17 <destinal> lmao
Dec 03 02:21:19 <haeffb> screw the companies. I want my 20 years.
Dec 03 02:21:21 <destinal> good point
Dec 03 02:21:29 <torchie> fuck companies, we need some kids that are right in the head
Dec 03 02:21:56 <destinal> I mean even 6 months, I can't imagine gov making companies pay, that's crazy
Dec 03 02:22:22 <mugen-> holy shit. RIM bought TAT
Dec 03 02:22:26 <torchie> on 6 months; it's not like everybody's having kids at the same time and the workforce'll leave
Dec 03 02:22:34 <torchie> great now the blackberry UI is just gonna get worse
Dec 03 02:22:39 <mugen-> wtf
Dec 03 02:22:46 <mugen-> how do you figure worse??
Dec 03 02:22:54 <Loudergood> yeah, sweden just has a horrible economy
Dec 03 02:23:25 <destinal> Loudergood: so many well intentioned social programs just shoot everyone in the foot
Dec 03 02:23:36 <torchie> what has TAT done
Dec 03 02:23:42 <Loudergood> I'm actually being a smart ass
Dec 03 02:23:50 <torchie> besides 1) android and 2) super gimicky impractical interface concepts
Dec 03 02:24:18 <destinal> Loudergood: nothing to prevent companies from offering 6 months leave as a benefit if they like though
Dec 03 02:24:42 <Loudergood> destinal: shareholders
Dec 03 02:25:01 <destinal> if it's a competitive advantage in attracting better employees, maybe nto
Dec 03 02:25:03 <destinal> not
Dec 03 02:25:27 <destinal> google seems to be in business despite expensive benefits that you don't get elsewhere
Dec 03 02:25:37 <torchie> google is google though
Dec 03 02:25:48 <Loudergood> yeah but that's not going to help the children of the walmart employees of the world
Dec 03 02:26:12 <Loudergood> they're probably the ones who would benefit from that time the most
Dec 03 02:26:26 <torchie> google employees getting maternity leave = the rich getting richer
Dec 03 02:26:31 <destinal> oh god
Dec 03 02:26:44 <destinal> spare me please
Dec 03 02:27:38 * torchie rolls bowling ball
Dec 03 02:28:10 <destinal> torchie: :P  very punny
Dec 03 02:28:16 <torchie> ho oh!
Dec 03 02:29:19 <destinal> where's the palm tablet, I ask you?
Dec 03 02:29:36 <torchie> in a garbage bin with my hope, dreams, and self-acceptance
Dec 03 02:29:39 * destinal wants a palmpad for Christmas
Dec 03 02:30:09 <rwhitby> there are no significant marketing opportunities between now and christmas, so that won't happen
Dec 03 02:30:26 <destinal> rwhitby: yeah, early 2011, but it's still a shame.  :)
Dec 03 02:30:31 <torchie> yeah especially after black friday nobody's releasing a product
Dec 03 02:30:45 <mugen-> torchie, i don't understand what you have against TAT.... they've developed a low-overhead framework for UIs
Dec 03 02:30:48 <rwhitby> destinal: why do you say "early"?
Dec 03 02:30:59 <mugen-> it's up to the dev to make it "gimicky" or "impractical"
Dec 03 02:31:00 <torchie> thats cool i guess
Dec 03 02:31:11 <destinal> rwhitby: or maybe it was "announced early 2011".  from palm's statements a while back
Dec 03 02:31:13 <rwhitby> I'm personally expecting a CES announcement for a mid-2011 release, just like the original Pre
Dec 03 02:31:27 * halfhalo is waiting for ces email about an hp/palm meeting
Dec 03 02:31:51 <destinal> rwhitby: yeah, that would make sense
Dec 03 02:32:05 <torchie> take CES by storm paaalm
Dec 03 02:32:10 <torchie> PAAAAAALM*
Dec 03 02:32:18 <torchie> and specifications, super device, etc.
Dec 03 02:38:33 * haeffb will not wait until mid-2011 for a new Palm deice
Dec 03 02:39:02 <torchie> if they take until june
Dec 03 02:39:09 <torchie> I will be nothing short of bi-furious
Dec 03 02:39:25 * Loudergood just wants someone to trade for cdma pre2 ;_;
Dec 03 02:39:54 * haeffb blames oil_pre 
Dec 03 02:40:57 <solix> human trading? is that like trafficking? louder.. ;)
Dec 03 02:41:23 <Loudergood> haha
Dec 03 02:41:36 <haeffb> Loudergood: who are you offering?
Dec 03 02:41:43 <torchie> a frustrating scenario is that they end up once again coming out with a device that's immediately overshadowed by an apple product
Dec 03 02:41:46 <solix> haha..
Dec 03 02:42:39 <Loudergood> or they could come out with something with the nintendo ds 3d display on it
Dec 03 02:42:52 <torchie> or they could come out with a sedan with 8 wheels
Dec 03 02:43:43 <torchie> maybe a netbook with 7 radeon ares cards in it
Dec 03 02:44:26 <Loudergood> heh, the AMD Radeon Experience System?
Dec 03 02:44:53 <torchie> is that what it's really called? lol
Dec 03 02:50:35 <solix> there's a six wheel sedan.. forget what it's called, pretty cool tho :) kinda like a station wagon.. heh
Dec 03 02:51:09 <dawm> 20years ago i submitted an idea for underwater themed legos. i got a reply back from lego saying they cannot accept customer suggestions.. guess what.. they just came out with underwater themed legos..
Dec 03 02:51:23 <torchie> lol
Dec 03 02:51:57 <solix> b.stards!
Dec 03 02:52:02 <solix> ;)
Dec 03 02:55:38 <dawm> i hope the palmpad is close to this tablet
Dec 03 02:55:39 <dawm> http://s.shld.net/is/image/Sears/00382001000?hei=800&amp;wid=800&amp;op_sharpen=1&amp;qlt=90,0&amp;resMode=sharp&amp;op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0
Dec 03 02:57:01 <solix> nice.
Dec 03 02:58:21 <Loudergood> that's just a giant android phone...
Dec 03 02:59:22 <solix> hey devs, is it possible to program the pres power button/mute switch to be 'programable'/macro?? for you guys I mean... would be nice :)
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