**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 03 03:00:00 2010
Dec 03 03:00:22 <solix> that's one thing (only thing) I miss from other phones.. (ie; bb)
Dec 03 03:00:59 <solix> imho
Dec 03 03:19:30 <torchie> this is trippy
Dec 03 03:19:39 <torchie> someone else in the library has a pre
Dec 03 03:19:55 <torchie> can tell by all the default ringtones
Dec 03 03:20:28 <Loudergood> haha
Dec 03 03:20:38 <solix> bt scan :) or wifi.
Dec 03 03:20:45 <Loudergood> at least it's not the default verizon ringtone,that thing is annoying
Dec 03 03:20:58 <LoneStar99> howdy all
Dec 03 03:20:59 <torchie> they changed the default on the verizon pre?
Dec 03 03:21:00 <torchie> that's
Dec 03 03:21:05 <Loudergood> no
Dec 03 03:21:14 <torchie> oh
Dec 03 03:21:15 <Loudergood> the one they had on all the feature phones for years
Dec 03 03:21:19 <torchie> ok because that would be got damn blasphemy
Dec 03 03:21:28 <solix> haha
Dec 03 03:21:29 <torchie> a default ringtone is like a phone's calling card, its identity
Dec 03 03:21:37 <Loudergood> I work in an office with 3 other people and two of them had it
Dec 03 03:21:46 <torchie> when you hear it it's like that guy's got a droid, that guy's got a pre, that guy's got an iphone
Dec 03 03:21:57 <solix> hhaha
Dec 03 03:22:27 <torchie> and if we let the carriers toy with that
Dec 03 03:22:36 <torchie> we're letting them toy with our perception of reality.
Dec 03 03:22:52 <solix> what's the easiest way to view an apps I'd, dir listing internalz?
Dec 03 03:22:58 <torchie> (which they're already doing)
Dec 03 03:23:18 <solix> er, ID
Dec 03 03:23:25 <torchie> typing on a pre?
Dec 03 03:23:33 <solix> yessim
Dec 03 03:23:39 <solix> :)
Dec 03 03:23:52 <Loudergood> no missing letters...impressive
Dec 03 03:24:10 <solix> heh
Dec 03 03:24:19 <sugardave> install lumberjack, start logging the app, it will tell you the app id
Dec 03 03:24:33 <torchie> man I'm so hype for tomorrow
Dec 03 03:24:40 <solix> ah, ok thanks sdave
Dec 03 03:24:41 <sugardave> what's tomorrow?
Dec 03 03:24:49 <torchie> I'm gonna get to hear my phone ringing and talk to it by holding up to my ear again
Dec 03 03:24:55 <sugardave> ah, cool
Dec 03 03:24:57 <torchie> new pre day
Dec 03 03:25:45 <solix> the pre would allow a bt keyboard right?
Dec 03 03:25:54 <torchie> so it's not possible to use one palm profile on two accounts right
Dec 03 03:26:00 <solix> hmm..
Dec 03 03:26:01 <sugardave> not sure...the pre2 I can pair with my bt keyboard
Dec 03 03:26:09 <destinal> solix: yes pre does bt keyboards in 2.0o
Dec 03 03:26:10 <dawm> pre1 cant iirc
Dec 03 03:26:11 <sugardave> torchie: no, one profile active at a time
Dec 03 03:26:24 <destinal> 2.0
Dec 03 03:26:30 <Loudergood> yeah someone was whining about that the other day
Dec 03 03:26:51 <torchie> theres two devices listed on my account
Dec 03 03:26:57 <torchie> one is not the "primary" though
Dec 03 03:27:04 <torchie> is that just a log of an old deactivated device?
Dec 03 03:27:14 <sugardave> where are you seeing this?
Dec 03 03:27:15 <solix> ah, just 2.0, ok thanks destinal.
Dec 03 03:27:18 <torchie> palm.com
Dec 03 03:27:29 <dawm> party like a rockstar..
Dec 03 03:27:41 <sugardave> I'd guess that is it, keeping track of devices you've had
Dec 03 03:27:42 <LoneStar99> if i promised a project done within 5-6 weeks and they want it completed in 30 days, would i be at liberty to ask for extra payments for express work?
Dec 03 03:27:57 <dawm> yeah
Dec 03 03:27:59 <dawm> expedite fee
Dec 03 03:28:03 <solix> yes imo ls99
Dec 03 03:28:07 <torchie> 1954XXX5324	Pre (SPRINT)	MEID:A100000642D988	1.40.50	Yes	
Dec 03 03:28:08 <torchie> Device Options
Dec 03 03:28:08 <solix> defineatly
Dec 03 03:28:09 <torchie> 954XXX5324	Pre (SPRINT)	MEID:A10000064809DE	1.40.11	No
Dec 03 03:28:10 <sugardave> the worst they can say is "no"
Dec 03 03:28:13 <torchie> wait
Dec 03 03:28:16 <torchie> is posting your meid bad
Dec 03 03:28:23 <solix> yes
Dec 03 03:28:26 <torchie> damn.
Dec 03 03:28:27 <solix> ;) lol
Dec 03 03:28:34 * sugardave pwns torchie.
Dec 03 03:28:37 * torchie dies.
Dec 03 03:28:39 <solix> hahaaah
Dec 03 03:28:40 <dawm> ditto
Dec 03 03:28:45 * dawm calls up sprint
Dec 03 03:28:50 <solix> llol
Dec 03 03:29:06 <LoneStar99> yeah, that is what i thought, will email them in the morning asking for an extra expedite fee
Dec 03 03:29:06 <torchie> you can take my service
Dec 03 03:29:09 <torchie> you can take my dignity
Dec 03 03:29:09 * solix takes a screenshot.. ;)
Dec 03 03:29:12 <torchie> but you will NEVER
Dec 03 03:29:16 <torchie> TAKE MY PALM PROFILE PASSWORD
Dec 03 03:29:23 * halfhalo takes the password
Dec 03 03:29:27 <solix> hehe
Dec 03 03:29:27 <destinal> torchie: your palm profile password is boring
Dec 03 03:29:29 * torchie dies
Dec 03 03:29:38 <destinal> think of a more interesting one
Dec 03 03:29:38 <solix> (again) heh
Dec 03 03:29:38 <halfhalo> added bonus!
Dec 03 03:29:57 <LoneStar99> well everyone knew my irc passwords for some hours =)
Dec 03 03:30:01 <torchie> palm pre plus pro profile password
Dec 03 03:30:02 <dawm> lol
Dec 03 03:30:14 <torchie> huh you can get a sprint centro for 40bux
Dec 03 03:31:01 <Deihmos> wouldn't advise anyone to pay  anything for a centro
Dec 03 03:31:05 <Deihmos> horrible phone
Dec 03 03:31:20 <dawm> oh wtf.. itunes doesnt support .pls?
Dec 03 03:31:30 <torchie> what
Dec 03 03:31:32 <torchie> centro is big baller
Dec 03 03:31:35 <torchie> out of my house sir
Dec 03 03:33:15 <LoneStar99> lol
Dec 03 03:34:05 <torchie> you can get a pixi for 5bux more though
Dec 03 03:34:24 <torchie> well in la la land
Dec 03 03:34:27 <torchie> old offer
Dec 03 03:34:35 <torchie> craigslist is the best thing ever
Dec 03 03:35:31 <solix> try 'best of craigslist', funny stuff..
Dec 03 03:42:29 <torchie> seriously?
Dec 03 03:42:30 <torchie> what the hell
Dec 03 03:42:35 <torchie> I think my microphone is broken too now
Dec 03 03:56:36 <dawm> ugh
Dec 03 03:56:55 <dawm> i made the mistake of listening to 8bit music on last.fm and then falling asleep.. now thats all it wants to play ..
Dec 03 03:58:22 <chronomex> heh
Dec 03 04:23:34 <mugen-> i think i should count my blessings... after 72hours of being unemployed, i just received a job offer
Dec 03 04:23:47 <Loudergood> nice
Dec 03 04:23:56 <halfhalo> damn road runner....
Dec 03 04:23:56 <halfhalo> down for socal
Dec 03 04:24:05 <Loudergood> last time I was unemployed it took me 10 months
Dec 03 04:24:28 <mugen-> yeah, i think i lucked out... one of our vendors at the previous company wants me to come work for them
Dec 03 04:24:34 <mugen-> sales engineering and project management
Dec 03 04:24:49 <mugen-> i'm just glad it happened... christmas won't be so gloomy :\
Dec 03 04:25:30 <halfhalo> PRAISE THE LAWD ITS BACK!
Dec 03 04:25:35 <mugen-> lol
Dec 03 04:25:42 <mugen-> what're you on about halo?
Dec 03 04:26:06 <LoneStar99> mugen-:  the best of luck! will have a cold mexican brew for u in a few!
Dec 03 04:26:09 <halfhalo> internets went down at my house
Dec 03 04:26:23 <mugen-> halfhalo, ahh i see...
Dec 03 04:26:39 <mugen-> LoneStar99, thanks brother!
Dec 03 04:26:49 <halfhalo> yup, and no mobile internets here
Dec 03 04:26:57 <mugen-> ??
Dec 03 04:27:14 <mugen-> no mobile data? or just old mobile data?
Dec 03 04:27:52 <halfhalo> no signal for anathang
Dec 03 04:28:19 <halfhalo> no att, no sprint, no vzw
Dec 03 04:28:46 <mugen-> wow
Dec 03 04:28:54 <mugen-> you out in the boondocks?
Dec 03 04:28:59 <halfhalo> nope
Dec 03 04:29:09 <halfhalo> but up on a hill
Dec 03 04:29:12 <mugen-> ah
Dec 03 04:29:24 <halfhalo> 3 houses in any direction= full bars
Dec 03 04:29:47 <mugen-> what kicks in first? cdma or gsm?
Dec 03 04:29:53 <Loudergood> you just need a yagi ;)
Dec 03 04:30:24 <halfhalo> I should try tmobile...
Dec 03 04:30:45 <LoneStar99> alright i am out chat laters, mugen- good luck once again!
Dec 03 04:30:47 <solix> kudos on lumberjack :) awes app... love the tips for first-timers especially! ;) lol..
Dec 03 04:32:40 <mugen-> wait... who dev'ed lumberjack?
Dec 03 04:32:48 <mugen-> i'm fiddling with it now... it's a godsend
Dec 03 04:32:56 <halfhalo> oil
Dec 03 04:33:04 <mugen-> thanks oil!
Dec 03 04:33:22 <oil_pre> lol
Dec 03 04:33:29 <mugen-> :)
Dec 03 04:33:40 <halfhalo> well, when I say oil, I mean he bashed on the kb
Dec 03 04:33:40 <rwhitby> ~praise oil
Dec 03 04:33:50 <halfhalo> wait... thats me
Dec 03 04:34:01 <mugen-> lol
Dec 03 04:34:06 <solix> haha
Dec 03 04:39:45 <halfhalo> I blame the goverment
Dec 03 04:41:46 <rwhitby> I blame your government
Dec 03 04:41:56 <mugen-> lol
Dec 03 04:42:10 <halfhalo> good times...
Dec 03 04:54:18 <dawm> woot
Dec 03 04:54:36 <dawm> new game works, just gotta mojofy it and add polish
Dec 03 05:00:26 <haeffb> mu at oregon on FSMW at the moment
Dec 03 05:00:39 <haeffb> tigers up 42-24
Dec 03 05:11:58 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 03 05:13:21 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Dec 03 05:13:30 <JenP> hi Rod! how are you?
Dec 03 05:15:46 <rwhitby> good.  finally completed my transition to the Pre 2
Dec 03 05:15:59 <JenP> omg! that's great!
Dec 03 05:16:32 * halfhalo waits till pre2 gets sacrificed to the homebrew gods and rwhitby has to go back to the pedestrian pre+
Dec 03 05:16:43 <rwhitby> halfhalo: I have a spare
Dec 03 05:17:04 <halfhalo> in that case..
Dec 03 05:17:08 * halfhalo gets his crowbar
Dec 03 05:19:27 <JenP> http://www.woot.com/
Dec 03 05:29:29 <dawm> uhh stupid question (it appears to not be working which is why im asking)
Dec 03 05:29:51 <dawm> if (i >= 4) { }
Dec 03 05:30:00 <dawm> if i is 4 or higher it should be valid right?
Dec 03 05:30:44 <JenP> believe so
Dec 03 05:30:58 <dawm> oh nvm.. its my mistake :P
Dec 03 05:31:13 <dawm> was catching == 3 and >= 5 so thats why 4 wasnt being seen
Dec 03 05:31:48 <JenP> ah well good catch
Dec 03 05:42:03 <dawm> now i need to figure out how to test for 1000
Dec 03 05:42:16 <dawm> i need to do somethign every 1000 points ;p
Dec 03 05:49:42 <dawm> i <3 chrome inspector/javascript console
Dec 03 05:49:45 <dawm> makes my life so much easier
Dec 03 05:50:27 <mugen-> amen
Dec 03 05:59:32 <mugen-> nite nite channel..
Dec 03 06:33:44 <alexfner> hey webOS channel, have I mentioned how amazing my week was?
Dec 03 06:33:47 <alexfner> :D
Dec 03 06:34:37 <rwhitby> alexfner: yeah, congrats on the demo to apple
Dec 03 06:34:54 <alexfner> haha
Dec 03 06:35:00 <alexfner> thanks :)
Dec 03 06:35:20 <rwhitby> srsly, ya gotta be happy with that.
Dec 03 06:35:27 <alexfner> hey rwhitby I really liked your vid from the dev day
Dec 03 06:35:37 <alexfner> oh yeah I was, got a free iPad to boot
Dec 03 06:35:43 <alexfner> so I can't complain
Dec 03 06:35:47 <rwhitby> freebies are always good
Dec 03 06:36:06 <rwhitby> stuff the community pays for is almost as good :)
Dec 03 06:36:11 <alexfner> heh
Dec 03 06:36:50 <alexfner> I don't know much about iOS, but I know a fair amount about webOS.  Do you have any idea if iOS has any sort of cloud syncing service?
Dec 03 06:37:07 <dawm> now lets see if this color bomb works as i coded it to
Dec 03 06:37:37 <alexfner> *built in*
Dec 03 06:37:43 <alexfner> rwhitby: any thoughts?
Dec 03 06:37:52 <dawm> grr
Dec 03 06:38:31 <torchie> mobileme isn't built in?
Dec 03 06:38:47 <torchie> well iOS syncs with your comptuer, which syncs with your itunes account
Dec 03 06:38:57 <torchie> I guess that's iOS' connection to the cloud
Dec 03 06:39:05 <torchie> itunes does work like that right
Dec 03 06:39:23 <alexfner> yeah, to some extent I believe
Dec 03 06:39:59 <torchie> any news of plans for third party palm profile backup?
Dec 03 06:40:03 <alexfner> but I suppose that's what apple might be doing with North Carolina http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-new-north-carolina-data-center-ready-to-roll-2/
Dec 03 06:40:05 <torchie> or would that be too preposterous of a solution
Dec 03 06:40:10 <alexfner> torchie: good luck, that seems unlikely
Dec 03 06:40:44 <rwhitby> alexfner: yeah, mobileme on iOS I believe
Dec 03 06:40:46 <torchie> makes me wonder how bad of a solution local backup really is
Dec 03 06:41:24 <alexfner> the find my iPad/Phone/Pod service is nifty
Dec 03 06:42:04 <alexfner> it's simple to setup, you can see where it is on a map, and you can lock it, erase it completely, send messages to it, and have it make noise
Dec 03 06:42:12 <alexfner> pretty neat
Dec 03 06:42:46 <dawm> YES!
Dec 03 06:42:47 <alexfner> (and it's free now)
Dec 03 06:42:51 <dawm> color bomb powerup works ;D
Dec 03 06:44:29 <alexfner> dawm: nice@
Dec 03 06:44:57 <dawm> yeah i could never get powerups working right in my previous attempts, but in this game its a bit easier ;D
Dec 03 06:45:23 <dawm> theres a color bomb and a laser ;P
Dec 03 06:46:15 <dawm> ive procrastinated enough with this game, finally sat down and wrote it
Dec 03 06:49:58 <oil> hard work may pay off eventually, but procrastination always pays now
Dec 03 06:50:12 <halfhalo> and thats why nothing ever works!
Dec 03 06:51:25 <torchie> so hype for tomorrow
Dec 03 07:32:08 <dawm> new high score! 8781 ;P
Dec 03 07:43:09 <dawm> hah i just realized rmxdave is local
Dec 03 07:45:34 <alexfner> oh man this math
Dec 03 07:45:36 <alexfner> yuck yuck
Dec 03 07:45:38 <torchie> sitting around
Dec 03 07:45:43 <torchie> reading apple website in lithuanian
Dec 03 07:45:49 <alexfner> heh
Dec 03 07:46:32 <alexfner> trying to figure out a weighting system to account for javascript events firing far apart
Dec 03 07:47:04 <alexfner> a system that ISN'T dependent on time, only on past events
Dec 03 07:47:08 <alexfner> it's getting FUGLY
Dec 03 07:47:15 <alexfner> I need a white board
Dec 03 07:53:20 <dawm> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/02/industry.sources.place.bets.on.inventec.orders/
Dec 03 07:53:29 <dawm> 7million palmpad's ?
Dec 03 07:54:06 <dawm> HP has already started quietly releasing webOS tablets to its business partners, however an official launch date has yet to be announced.
Dec 03 07:54:06 <dawm> Read more: http://wwHP has already started quietly releasing webOS tablets to its business partners, however an official launch date has yet to be announced.
Dec 03 07:54:08 <dawm> O_O
Dec 03 07:54:57 <alexfner> not too surprising
Dec 03 07:56:15 <torchie> speaking of that I got to try a nook color today
Dec 03 07:56:29 <torchie> god what a junky thing
Dec 03 07:56:31 <dawm> nice PS3 homebrew is brining a gamecube/wii emulator ?
Dec 03 07:56:32 <destinal-sleep> dawm: same company as built nookcolor eh?
Dec 03 07:56:33 <dawm> lol
Dec 03 07:56:39 <torchie> no multitouch
Dec 03 07:57:01 <torchie> only good thing about it, really, was the viewing angles on the LCD
Dec 03 07:57:08 <destinal> torchie: it absolutely has multitouch
Dec 03 07:57:14 <torchie> not when I tried it
Dec 03 07:57:28 <destinal> torchie: #nookcolor
Dec 03 07:57:37 <torchie> there was no pinch to zoom in browser, but instead the zoom buttons in the corner
Dec 03 07:57:39 <destinal> you have to root it to enable it in all apps
Dec 03 07:57:44 <destinal> by default some apps have it and some dont
Dec 03 07:58:06 <torchie> do i have to root the nook color to read books on it too?
Dec 03 07:58:13 <destinal> the screen is definitely multitouch though and you can load random android apps on it after rooting it with an sd card
Dec 03 07:58:41 <destinal> I think the book reader app has multitouch right?
Dec 03 07:58:45 <destinal> out of the box
Dec 03 07:59:38 <dawm> man
Dec 03 07:59:40 <destinal> torchie: far from junky, people are talking about what an awesome tablet it is for $250
Dec 03 07:59:51 <dawm> normally im in my bed under the covers right now.. but seriously its freaking cold in here
Dec 03 08:00:20 <dawm> i think i may goto bed rather than turn the thermostat off of auto
Dec 03 08:00:22 <destinal> torchie: course admittedly I might not like it much locked down either :)
Dec 03 08:01:05 <dawm> hardest part of this game is gonna be the score tracking, ill tackle that tomorrow
Dec 03 08:01:26 <oil> yay procrastination!
Dec 03 08:01:30 <dawm> http://www.wikileakspin.org/
Dec 03 08:01:36 <dawm> its 65F in here
Dec 03 08:02:20 <destinal> torchie: best ebook reader I've used is original nook which is eink.  eink is way better than LCD IMO for reading books on
Dec 03 08:02:27 <torchie> admittedly this is pretty sweet:
Dec 03 08:02:45 <torchie> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/11/6a9939a90bad987f292929ae9ed07570/340x.jpg
Dec 03 08:02:49 <dawm> aye lee um
Dec 03 08:03:03 <destinal> torchie: yup, and angrybirds too
Dec 03 08:03:09 <destinal> :)
Dec 03 08:03:45 <torchie> better than LCD for books but not to the extent that I'd buy a single function device for it
Dec 03 09:21:20 <hotdp> rwhitby or another? If i have a US Sim-card and activate the phone in Denmark, i will get US paid apps right?
Dec 03 10:35:56 <Darkmagister> someone can help me to use an sqlite db on a pre app ??? i have created the db but now i don't know where i have to put it to open it from come code...
Dec 03 10:36:15 <Darkmagister> *the
Dec 03 10:38:11 <hotdp> Have you looked at webos101?
Dec 03 10:46:43 <Darkmagister> yes
Dec 03 10:47:03 <Darkmagister> but i haven't understand very welll
Dec 03 10:47:35 <Darkmagister> i'm not really good to program on the palm pre, this is my first app
Dec 03 10:47:57 <Darkmagister> http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database
Dec 03 10:58:27 <Darkmagister> can you help me ?
Dec 03 11:00:36 <hotdp> what is your q?
Dec 03 11:00:45 <hotdp> you could basicly copy paste
Dec 03 11:02:13 <Darkmagister> i have an sqlite db ok, i whant to inport it on my app and use it ...
Dec 03 11:02:35 <Darkmagister> but i have no understand where is have to put it and how use it
Dec 03 11:56:37 <teemu_> Darkmagister: so you have a sqlite db on your computer and you want to import it to the phone?
Dec 03 11:57:36 <rwhitby> hotdp: activate in the US for US apps, not in Denmark.
Dec 03 11:57:49 <hotdp> But i have a US Sim?
Dec 03 11:58:02 <rwhitby> who told you that would work in Denmark?
Dec 03 11:58:20 <Darkmagister> teemu: yes
Dec 03 11:58:31 <hotdp> No one i just thought it was the SIM-card who decided it?
Dec 03 11:58:53 <rwhitby> If only it was that easy.
Dec 03 11:58:53 <hotdp> Is it the country of the network? i have never heard that before!
Dec 03 11:59:08 <rwhitby> which threads on the subject have you read?
Dec 03 11:59:40 <rwhitby> I mean you can experiment with it yourself if you want, but remember you only get one chance.
Dec 03 11:59:59 <rwhitby> My advice: if you want US paid apps, activate in the US.
Dec 03 12:00:16 <teemu_> Darkmagister: that's a bit tricky, afaik. I _think_ you have to make your sqlite db a json object and then create a fresh db off from that
Dec 03 12:00:48 <rwhitby> hotdp: I can't believe you were thinking of playing with fire with the Palm activation without proof.
Dec 03 12:00:55 <hotdp> rwhitby we have had alot of discussion about it as i have had 3 Pre's and only one with paid apps
Dec 03 12:01:13 <Darkmagister> what ??? i have to convert my sqlite db to json odbject and anfter re create the db ??????
Dec 03 12:01:37 <rwhitby> hotdp: who has had discussion, and what proof have they used?
Dec 03 12:01:44 <hotdp> rwhitby: Palm writes it 1 sec
Dec 03 12:01:55 <rwhitby> hotdp: DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT PALM WRITES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 03 12:02:02 <hotdp> :o
Dec 03 12:02:14 <rwhitby> Palm themselves do not know what the rules are.
Dec 03 12:02:24 <hotdp> They wrote:
Dec 03 12:02:46 <rwhitby> hotdp: this was also on @webosinternals twitter just a few weeks ago
Dec 03 12:02:58 <hotdp> If you have a Phone, and you have a german sim-card. You go to franch and activate. You will get German apps
Dec 03 12:03:03 <rwhitby> The information on the Palm support pages has been proved to be incorrect.
Dec 03 12:03:10 <hotdp> ohhh
Dec 03 12:03:14 <hotdp> I have not heard that!
Dec 03 12:03:22 <hotdp> omgomgomg
Dec 03 12:03:29 <rwhitby> there's a whole thread about it on PreCentral.
Dec 03 12:03:31 <hotdp> i have 3 phones comming to 3 friends
Dec 03 12:03:42 <hotdp> now i can tell them NO PAID APPS
Dec 03 12:03:56 <rwhitby> One person has got a refund from Palm because of it.
Dec 03 12:04:07 <hotdp> That to DAMN stupid
Dec 03 12:04:08 <rwhitby> Yet Palm still do not change the page.
Dec 03 12:04:14 <teemu_> Darkmagister: I said I think you have to do that
Dec 03 12:04:31 <hotdp> rwhitby: What is i drive to germany with a danish sim?
Dec 03 12:04:36 <teemu_> Or "have to", because you can actually import it, but that's depending on your skills
Dec 03 12:04:37 <hotdp> *if
Dec 03 12:04:55 <Darkmagister> but why i can only put the db somewhere on the app ... like the root directory ... and open it from the js ????
Dec 03 12:05:30 <rwhitby> hotdp: you may then get the EU catalog.  Better to use a German SIM in Germany.
Dec 03 12:05:34 <Darkmagister> this is my first app and i'm not really expert about this :D
Dec 03 12:05:55 <hotdp> So you htink its a combination of sim AND country?
Dec 03 12:05:58 <rwhitby> hotdp: if you use a Danish sim, you will be risking your one and only chance
Dec 03 12:06:12 <hotdp> Why are there no faqs on this!
Dec 03 12:06:29 <Loudergood> because the question is rarely asked!
Dec 03 12:06:30 <rwhitby> hotdp: the combination of SIM and country is the only combination which we know to work correctly.  There are reports of all other combinations failing for at least one person.
Dec 03 12:06:30 <hotdp> There must be a Palm person who acually knows the answer
Dec 03 12:07:08 <rwhitby> hotdp: Palm has no interest in the question. If you do not buy and use in a supported country, then you are not in scope.
Dec 03 12:08:48 <teemu_> Darkmagister: I just remember reading from somewhere the way the db is managed is a bit complex, and that's why it might be easier if you just import it as a json object
Dec 03 12:08:49 <hotdp> i see. But still, its strange that no one know how it works?
Dec 03 12:09:28 <rwhitby> hotdp: the community knows how it works.  Palm is probably not allowed to tell you how it works for legal or tax reasons.
Dec 03 12:09:44 <hotdp> I am starting to fell more and more frustrated about this. I rellay like WebOS but now it hurts my firends!'
Dec 03 12:10:28 <rwhitby> hotdp: you might get lucky.  who knows.  but my advice is to play it safe.
Dec 03 12:10:53 <hotdp> I know
Dec 03 12:10:55 <rwhitby> we had a guy who used a german sim in belgium, and ended up with no paid apps.
Dec 03 12:11:17 <hotdp> If that is right then they Palm lie
Dec 03 12:11:25 <hotdp> is the thread on pc still alive?
Dec 03 12:11:46 <rwhitby> no, palm's example page only talks about supported countries (germany and france) - you can not extrapolate it to non-supported countries.
Dec 03 12:12:38 <hotdp> Yes. So you mean that the country+sim combination they talk about will work because both countryes are supported?
Dec 03 12:13:06 <rwhitby> I believe so, but I still would not advise testing that assumption.
Dec 03 12:13:46 <hotdp> its just..
Dec 03 12:13:50 <hotdp> frustrating
Dec 03 12:14:03 <hotdp> its like a stone in my shoe
Dec 03 12:15:34 <hotdp> would be nice, because then i could use my USA sim in germany and ger USA apps
Dec 03 12:15:34 <rwhitby> hotdp: at least the nearest supported country is not 15000 km away from you.
Dec 03 12:15:46 <hotdp> rwhitby i know :)
Dec 03 12:15:48 <rwhitby> you get it easy, you can drive to a supported country within a day.
Dec 03 12:15:52 <Darkmagister> ok thanks ... i'm going to inform me
Dec 03 12:19:07 <hotdp> rwhitby: but i know there is something they can change. I had a phone replaced in germany, and i recived it with german paid apps. And i doubt they send it truh germany for activation..
Dec 03 12:19:21 <hotdp> so if they have a tool OR they had a german sim i dont know
Dec 03 12:20:04 <rwhitby> hotdp: it depends on the country of first activation of the radio card, and never changes again for the lifetime of that radio card, no matter what device it is in, and no matter what profile it is linked to,
Dec 03 12:21:17 <hotdp> they device i recived was new
Dec 03 12:24:51 * rwhitby bbt
Dec 03 12:26:08 * hotdp talking to Palm
Dec 03 12:26:43 <rwhitby> hotdp: a support line person will know nothing about this situation
Dec 03 12:26:51 <rwhitby> it will not be on their script
Dec 03 12:27:13 <rwhitby> you would need to get to level 4 support before they even understood the question, since it is about an unsupported country.
Dec 03 12:28:26 <rwhitby> they will either tell you that it cannot be done, or they will read you the incorrect information from the web site.
Dec 03 12:30:17 <rwhitby> hotdp: http://forums.precentral.net/worldwide-gsm-cdma/268775-official-app-catalog-geo-restrictions-2.html#post2765266
Dec 03 12:30:37 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/268744-activation-outside-uk-5.html#post2762692 in particular
Dec 03 12:30:52 <hotdp> "13:20 Sebastian G.: It will be safe also to activate the device in Denmark using german sim card. "
Dec 03 12:32:06 <hotdp> 13:21 David Petersen: You are 100% sure? Don't wonna "break" three phones 13:22 Sebastian G.: Yes sir I have double checked it with my superiors.
Dec 03 12:32:20 <rwhitby> hotdp: will they give you a guarantee in writing, with a full replacement device if they are wrong?
Dec 03 12:32:40 <rwhitby> hotdp: how does he explain http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/268744-activation-outside-uk-5.html#post2762692 ?
Dec 03 12:33:10 <hotdp> I have just aksed him
Dec 03 12:33:14 <rwhitby> Note that in http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2782160#post2777466 palm admits they are wrong by providing a refund to the purchaser.
Dec 03 12:33:34 <hotdp> Yes. He gives me garantii. But have just asked
Dec 03 12:33:40 <hotdp> By Irish? Is that supported?
Dec 03 12:33:59 <rwhitby> O2
Dec 03 12:34:21 <hotdp> Ok
Dec 03 12:34:39 <hotdp> It sounds like this palm person know what he is talking about
Dec 03 12:34:56 <rwhitby> ask him about the three other combinations of supported/unsupported SIMS and supported/unsupported countries
Dec 03 12:35:17 <hotdp> I am about it
Dec 03 12:35:20 <rwhitby> e.g. if I use an AT&T Sim in Australia to activate a device
Dec 03 12:35:41 <rwhitby> (cause I know personally that one does not work)
Dec 03 12:36:05 <rwhitby> so if he says Yes, then it proves he does not know what he is talking about
Dec 03 12:36:27 <hotdp> Is it a USA AT&T ?
Dec 03 12:36:30 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 03 12:36:33 <hotdp> i ask
Dec 03 12:37:46 <rwhitby> also ask it you can publish the transcript of your conversation on PreCentral
Dec 03 12:39:17 <rwhitby> Also ask which app catalog I will get if I take a UK Pre 2, ship it to the US, activate it on AT&T there, and then ship it to Australia to use on Vodafone.
Dec 03 12:39:25 <hotdp> 13:26 Sebastian G.: I understan the importance of the information Sir. 13:28 Sebastian G.: The information I am giving you is for fact, if you want I can get a third opinion and call you back as soon as I have an update so we are 100% sure about this item.
Dec 03 12:40:02 <hotdp> I have asked about it
Dec 03 12:40:03 <rwhitby> Ask for a written set of rules which outline app catalog access criteria for unsupported countries.
Dec 03 12:42:06 <hotdp> He says its fine with PC
Dec 03 12:42:17 <hotdp> I have just asked for the written rules
Dec 03 12:43:52 <rwhitby> hotdp: thx
Dec 03 12:44:56 <hotdp> He is not much for the written rules :)
Dec 03 12:45:12 <rwhitby> ok
Dec 03 12:49:57 <rwhitby> hotdp: can you post the transcript in that thread on PreCentral?
Dec 03 12:51:50 <hotdp> rwhitby: i have saved the transcript
Dec 03 12:52:12 <rwhitby> ok, now I will sleep
Dec 03 12:52:23 <rwhitby> hotdp: good luck with your activations
Dec 03 12:52:28 <hotdp> He will talk to someone
Dec 03 12:52:34 <hotdp> at the top to confirm
Dec 03 12:52:45 <hotdp> I will post it all when he have called me back
Dec 03 12:52:51 <rwhitby> ok
Dec 03 12:52:56 <hotdp> good night rwhitby
Dec 03 15:38:32 <codeslaw> well, fuck the FCC
Dec 03 15:38:40 <codeslaw> net neutrality is dead
Dec 03 15:39:04 <codeslaw> IRC connections will soon be running at about $.25/hour
Dec 03 15:39:10 <codeslaw> big business wins
Dec 03 15:39:49 <codeslaw> american consumers, bend over and get ready http://heddalettuce.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/vaseline.jpg
Dec 03 15:47:22 <dawm> nothing like a good game of bejeweled blitz to get the brain going in the morning :P
Dec 03 15:52:50 <Roy-Pre1011> codeslaw: What are you talking about, exactly?
Dec 03 15:52:59 <codeslaw> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/did-the-fcc-just-bless-a-capped-two-tier-internet.ars/2
Dec 03 15:57:10 <dawm> since i dont use an email client (just gmail in the browser) i dont know what i would do if i didnt have my pre to delete the junkmail that i dont want to mark as spam but that i dont want to read
Dec 03 15:57:41 <dawm> having to login 6 times to delete semi-spam is annoying
Dec 03 15:58:19 <Roy-Pre1011> codeslaw: Meh.  I wouldn't get my panties in a knot yet. It remains to be seen how it will play out.
Dec 03 16:00:00 <Workenhaven> guys
Dec 03 16:00:05 <codeslaw> a) i'm wearing a thong. b) yes, the fan is still relatively shit-free, but with the comcast/nbc merger rounding the corner, it's inevitable that services like netflix are going to be strong-armed
Dec 03 16:00:13 <Workenhaven> have any of you run into a problem with IE8 refusing cross-site iframe's?
Dec 03 16:00:49 <codeslaw> the incentive to do so is so prominent, no smart corporation WOULDN'T abuse the system
Dec 03 16:01:16 <Workenhaven> i have a user who doesn't know how to use the "foxfire operating system" and is using IE 8, but it's refusing to load an iframe(of a simple.html)
Dec 03 16:01:25 <Workenhaven> i know this isn't webos but you guys are web guys :P
Dec 03 16:02:33 * sugardave isn't.
Dec 03 16:02:45 <Workenhaven> ugh
Dec 03 16:06:45 <codeslaw> best $500 -$750 dollar laptop -- suggestions?
Dec 03 17:13:23 <dawm> think 15 achievements is enough? some are pretty hard
Dec 03 17:13:37 <codeslaw> what kind of game
Dec 03 17:13:47 <codeslaw> what other replay-value does it offer
Dec 03 17:14:01 <codeslaw> can you add more achievements in subsequent releases (important)
Dec 03 17:14:09 <sugardave> dammit
Dec 03 17:14:27 <dawm> its like bubble pop but with a challenge :P
Dec 03 17:14:42 <codeslaw> are teh achievements diverse?
Dec 03 17:14:49 <codeslaw> or are they tiered
Dec 03 17:15:01 <codeslaw> like "get 10000 pops" and then "get 20000 pops"
Dec 03 17:15:08 <dawm> kinda
Dec 03 17:15:40 <dawm> like time played, blocks cleared, cleared length and a couple extras
Dec 03 17:15:51 <codeslaw> achievements are replay value-adds.  you want to introduce them early in play, but also have many that take a while to achieve
Dec 03 17:16:11 <codeslaw> do some creative ones, like certain color sequences, or something
Dec 03 17:16:23 <codeslaw> and some easter-egg ones, like "0 ballons popped in a game"
Dec 03 17:16:35 <dawm> ooh gotcha
Dec 03 17:16:49 <codeslaw> also, importantly, show them the list of achievements, but have their titles blocked out secret style
Dec 03 17:16:56 <dawm> yeah some of the ones i jotted down could be pretty hard to get
Dec 03 17:16:57 <codeslaw> "Achievement Locked"
Dec 03 17:17:05 <dawm> like 50 blocks cleared at once
Dec 03 17:17:10 <codeslaw> yes
Dec 03 17:17:18 <Roy-Pre1011> Yeah, I added an achievement system to Match 'Em and I'm working on adding achievments
Dec 03 17:17:58 <Roy-Pre101> Need to add it to XMas Match 'Em
Dec 03 17:18:00 <Roy-Pre101> ;P
Dec 03 17:18:13 <codeslaw> they are a great way to add lasting value
Dec 03 17:18:19 <codeslaw> as long as they aren't TOO hard or TOO easy
Dec 03 17:18:24 <codeslaw> but have some at both extremes as well
Dec 03 17:18:44 <codeslaw> like Fruit Ninja on iPhone, though most of those were too easy to get
Dec 03 17:18:50 <dawm> yeh
Dec 03 17:19:18 <codeslaw> but Deadrunner achievements are all just incremental, and i'm not really inclined to try for them
Dec 03 17:19:26 <codeslaw> not all, but most
Dec 03 17:19:59 <dawm> thanks, you've just granted yourself a personal hidden achievement
Dec 03 17:20:30 <codeslaw> sweet!
Dec 03 17:24:46 <dawm> ooh just had an excellent one (but ill have to learn the accelo stuff to catch it)
Dec 03 17:24:54 <dawm> 'played a game upside down'
Dec 03 17:25:57 <dawm> i guess its time to take this out of the browser and into the emulator
Dec 03 17:29:35 <codeslaw> haha that's be cool, but it means you'd have to run the accelerometer the entire time
Dec 03 17:31:07 <Roy-Pre101> the accelerometer runs all the time anyhow.  You would only need to pull some readings periodically, no?  Wouldn't need to put it into high-speed reading mode.
Dec 03 17:31:18 <codeslaw> does it?
Dec 03 17:32:06 <codeslaw> i was aware that you have to enable high-speed mode
Dec 03 17:33:02 <dawm> not for what i need
Dec 03 17:33:39 <dawm> id need to check at start, and if during it changes cancel the achievement and polling if it doesnt change check it again at end of game and award achievement
Dec 03 17:33:50 <Rick_work> the accelerometer always runs, but your program doesn't always READ it. Reading the accelerometer takes time, cpu cycles and power.
Dec 03 17:34:57 <dawm> the device will only output accelerometer data at 4Hz, or 4 times per second. In my testing this is not good enough for much more than orientation detection. Using fastAccelerometer increases the frequency to 30Hz or 30 times per second.
Dec 03 17:39:10 <dawm> whoa they have videos in the docs now?
Dec 03 17:44:38 <torchie> :O
Dec 03 17:44:46 <torchie> links plox
Dec 03 17:44:54 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554
Dec 03 17:51:22 * b0bben is "cooking". have no idea what he's doing....
Dec 03 17:51:44 * b0bben likes the red wine you're suppose to put in though
Dec 03 17:53:14 <b0bben> we better not get sick from this thing i'm making, or I'm never going near a stow again
Dec 03 17:54:00 <dawm> stove?
Dec 03 17:54:22 <b0bben> yeah
Dec 03 17:54:25 <b0bben> red wine talking
Dec 03 17:54:27 <b0bben> :)
Dec 03 17:54:40 <dawm> wine doesnt talk
Dec 03 17:55:04 <dawm> it whines ;p
Dec 03 17:55:41 <b0bben> aaa, now I totally get the expression "cheese with that whine sir?"
Dec 03 17:55:57 <b0bben> i was always like "wtf, i'm not whining!"
Dec 03 18:00:35 <dawm> off topic
Dec 03 18:00:35 <dawm> http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/aug/230809-Lauren-Chingford-Essex-two-vaginas-medical-problems-World-news.htm
Dec 03 18:00:44 <dawm> ok.. seriously? how could you not know..
Dec 03 18:03:24 <b0bben> i....i......i have no.....words.....dream.....wife
Dec 03 18:03:46 <torchie> whoa
Dec 03 18:03:47 <torchie> she ca
Dec 03 18:03:47 <torchie> n
Dec 03 18:03:51 <torchie> she can have double babies
Dec 03 18:04:52 <b0bben> you're shitting me
Dec 03 18:05:02 <b0bben> dual-womb
Dec 03 18:05:03 <b0bben> sweet
Dec 03 18:13:46 <torchie> double babies all the way
Dec 03 18:14:00 <b0bben> best quote EVER! "The surgeon removed the barrier between her two vaginas, leaving her with one big one"
Dec 03 18:14:32 <b0bben> dawm: thx man, this made my day
Dec 03 18:15:07 <dawm> if you read the replies further down i guess theres someone that replied that had the same issue
Dec 03 18:15:07 <b0bben> this article is the Holy Grail of quotes
Dec 03 18:15:21 <dawm> it wasnt 2 from the the outside, it was more like a split tunnel
Dec 03 18:15:26 <b0bben> "...Lauren had to keep packing her vagina..."
Dec 03 18:15:49 <b0bben> dawm: yeah, i guessed it would be something "in there"
Dec 03 18:16:03 <dawm> i would hope so seeing as she didnt notice..
Dec 03 18:16:11 <b0bben> but the first picture i got in my head was 2 giant vaginas, on the outside
Dec 03 18:16:13 <b0bben> :)
Dec 03 18:16:29 <dawm> codeslaw, detecting orientation change is so simple. pretty much just an event listener
Dec 03 18:19:01 <b0bben> i just ruined the food i was making 'cause of the dual-vagina article
Dec 03 18:19:13 <b0bben> totally worth it!
Dec 03 18:20:42 <dawm> uhh
Dec 03 18:20:52 <dawm> so the channel i got that URL from found a picture of what it apparently looks like
Dec 03 18:20:57 <torchie> I was expecting both vaginas to be on her back
Dec 03 18:21:19 <dawm> however, i wont post the link here to that image since its totally NSFW
Dec 03 18:21:49 <b0bben> dawm: post it and add a huge NSFW warning
Dec 03 18:21:52 <b0bben> all you can do
Dec 03 18:22:02 <b0bben> you must post it, for humanity's sake
Dec 03 18:22:09 <b0bben> humanities*
Dec 03 18:22:14 <dawm> WARNING!!.. NOT SAFE FOR WORK. DO NOT OPEN IF YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR JOB
Dec 03 18:22:17 <dawm> http://tinyurl.com/yd7hphp
Dec 03 18:22:18 <torchie> NOT SAFE
Dec 03 18:22:19 <dawm> WARNING!!.. NOT SAFE FOR WORK. DO NOT OPEN IF YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR JOB
Dec 03 18:22:22 <torchie> ~ NOT SAFE ~ NOT SAFE ~
Dec 03 18:22:29 <torchie> NO WAY! NO WAY? NO WAY. NO WAY! NO WAY? NO WAY. NO WAY! NO WAY? NO WAY. NO WAY! NO WAY? NO WAY.
Dec 03 18:22:50 <torchie> that looks more like one vagina with a fork in the road ok
Dec 03 18:23:10 <b0bben> In Soviet Russia, vagina FORKS YOU!
Dec 03 18:25:16 <b0bben> i really wanna know how he/she took that picture: "excuse me, can i take a pic and post this on the internet?"
Dec 03 18:30:54 <DaDirtyPanda> ahhh im scurred!!!
Dec 03 18:37:36 <alexfner> ewhy?
Dec 03 18:57:24 <nyceane> ello guys
Dec 03 18:57:36 <nyceane> <== just moved to SF =D
Dec 03 18:57:45 <dawm> congrats
Dec 03 18:57:53 <dawm> i really hope they fix palm-log
Dec 03 18:57:54 <nyceane> thanks dawn
Dec 03 18:57:57 <dawm> its info is useless
Dec 03 19:00:52 <dawm> [20101203-13:51:40.694878] error: Error: NOT_FOUND_ERR: DOM Exception 8, line un
Dec 03 19:00:53 <dawm> defined, file undefined
Dec 03 19:00:57 <dawm> thanx
Dec 03 19:01:49 <b0bben> hehe
Dec 03 19:06:57 <dawm> hoping to get this mostly done today, i gotta work OT tomorrow and then next week i'm hopefully working 70hrs :P that is if they let me or dont find out
Dec 03 19:08:30 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 03 19:11:42 <dawm> so apparently i cant create a table row and add cells to it on the fly?
Dec 03 19:15:32 <dawm> oh nvm found the issue
Dec 03 19:22:45 <dawm> can you listen on an element that doesnt exist yet? like setup the listener before the element is created?
Dec 03 19:25:20 <alexfner> no
Dec 03 19:29:21 <dawm> nvm i was being retarded
Dec 03 19:31:44 <dawm> there. successfully mojo'fied
Dec 03 19:43:55 <nyceane> chuqui
Dec 03 19:45:50 <alexfner> nyceane: he did not want to speak to you!
Dec 03 19:46:50 <nyceane> =(
Dec 03 19:48:50 <nyceane> node.js camp is sold out =|
Dec 03 19:49:02 <nyceane> was wondering how I can get another spot
Dec 03 19:52:02 <dawm> hrm
Dec 03 19:52:20 <oilsworkn> hrm?
Dec 03 19:52:20 <dawm> chrome is apparently not as strict
Dec 03 19:52:31 <dawm> chrome allows background = 'FFFFFF'
Dec 03 19:52:44 <dawm> but thats a no go on webOS without the #
Dec 03 19:52:58 <oilsworkn> well, who does ffffff anyways?
Dec 03 19:53:04 <oilsworkn> #fff :)
Dec 03 19:53:14 <dawm> it lines up with the rest of the colors ;P
Dec 03 19:53:16 <CTLAdvance> who uses # anyways
Dec 03 19:53:20 <CTLAdvance> instead of RGB
Dec 03 19:53:24 <oilsworkn> rgba(255, 255, 255, 1)
Dec 03 19:53:28 <CTLAdvance> oh wait that doesnt work as a background
Dec 03 19:53:31 <oilsworkn> rgba > rgb xD
Dec 03 19:53:32 <CTLAdvance> or does it
Dec 03 19:53:39 <dawm> CTLAdvance, prototype stage, no polish ;p
Dec 03 19:53:40 <CTLAdvance> rgba is not required
Dec 03 19:53:46 <CTLAdvance> unless you want opacity
Dec 03 19:54:00 <oilsworkn> who doesn't?
Dec 03 19:54:24 <CTLAdvance> I dont like being opacity = .5 and so can you
Dec 03 19:55:01 <oilsworkn> opacity: 0.5 doesn't work on text
Dec 03 19:55:42 <CTLAdvance> then I blame you for that
Dec 03 19:55:43 <CTLAdvance> :)
Dec 03 19:55:47 <oilsworkn> ;(
Dec 03 19:56:23 <oilsworkn> oh, someone replied to one of mah threads
Dec 03 19:57:56 <oilsworkn> a post which makes no sense
Dec 03 19:58:45 * oilsworkn ignores it
Dec 03 20:02:26 * oilsworkn hides!
Dec 03 20:03:55 * oilsworkn needs more time to write more apps
Dec 03 20:05:21 <dawm> http://www.businessinsider.com/droid-2-phone-explodes-in-mans-ear-2010-12
Dec 03 20:05:23 <dawm> YES!
Dec 03 20:05:28 <dawm> the first victim !
Dec 03 20:06:33 <oilsworkn> the bandage on his head looks like its a joke
Dec 03 20:16:32 <nyceane> hey, did anybody get the hp envy 17 yet?
Dec 03 20:16:40 <codeslaw> no
Dec 03 20:33:09 <sugardave> did anybody get an hp envy 17 now?
Dec 03 20:33:24 <sugardave> how about now?
Dec 03 20:33:31 <sugardave> :P
Dec 03 20:33:55 <maik> awe, reminds of the days of
Dec 03 20:33:58 <maik> is 1.4.5 out yet!?
Dec 03 20:34:02 <maik> how about now!?
Dec 03 20:34:09 <sugardave> heh
Dec 03 20:34:30 <maik> and i would say "Yes."
Dec 03 20:34:36 <maik> and someone would ask, "Really?"
Dec 03 20:34:40 <maik> and i would say, "No."
Dec 03 20:34:43 <maik> mwahaa
Dec 03 20:36:09 <halfhalo2> bleh
Dec 03 20:36:30 <halfhalo2> phone cant connect to znc...
Dec 03 20:36:47 <codeslaw> ah, the joys of wanting to be excited about things palm
Dec 03 20:37:15 <halfhalo2> its a lie
Dec 03 20:37:18 <sugardave> enyo
Dec 03 20:38:00 * sugardave thinks he likes this flex-box thing.
Dec 03 20:38:06 <halfhalo2> hah
Dec 03 20:38:14 <halfhalo2> ooohhhh gigabyte ces email
Dec 03 20:40:42 <halfhalo> oh, so now it sorta connects...
Dec 03 20:42:14 <halfhalo> i say we sue
Dec 03 20:43:59 * halfhalo has innout
Dec 03 20:57:21 <bsm> hi,any ideawhy the wikipedia page does not look nice anymore? I need a whole lot of horizontal scrolling to read a page...
Dec 03 21:00:37 <bsm> ah found the thread.
Dec 03 21:31:59 <nyceane> @chuqui
Dec 03 21:32:09 <nyceane> are there any seats left at node.js?
Dec 03 21:33:04 <jlund> I recently received my unlocked Pre 2 and I'm having issues synchronizing my Google calendar. Is anyone here successfully about to link their Google account with the calendar?
Dec 03 21:33:19 <jlund> I'm hoping that there's a solution that doesn't involve waiting for 2.0.2 :)
Dec 03 21:35:49 <nyceane> havnt got mine yet
Dec 03 21:35:58 <nyceane> just moved, need to settle down
Dec 03 21:38:03 <chuqui> node.js -- I dunno, honestly.
Dec 03 21:38:42 <SineOt> hey chuqui
Dec 03 21:39:27 <SineOt> can I add that support for webkitTransitionEnd would be just as awesome as @font-face? :]
Dec 03 21:41:50 <nyceane> Node.js Camp, its listed on part of Events
Dec 03 21:41:55 <nyceane> on Palm
Dec 03 21:42:00 <nyceane> oh well heh
Dec 03 21:42:01 <chuqui> SineOt: yup. it would be.
Dec 03 21:42:28 <nyceane> chuqui, has anybody received their hp envy 17 yet?
Dec 03 21:43:03 <chuqui> overseas, I think not. getting the non-US awards going has been complicated by various things. in the US, I don't know. I haven't been in the loop.
Dec 03 21:43:30 <nyceane> I am in US, havn't gotten mine yet
Dec 03 22:02:44 <SineOt> Oh yeah... Inventec tablet rumors + older Foxconn tablet rumors = more weight for Stingray/Mantaray both being tablets?
Dec 03 22:03:02 <jlund> chuqui: Is there a way for us to report bugs that we discover in webOS 2.0? I just figured out why my calendar wasn't synchronizing.
Dec 03 22:03:19 <chuqui> post them in the early access developer forums.
Dec 03 22:03:27 <jlund> OK, thanks
Dec 03 22:03:31 <chuqui> the enginers will see them and file them into the system.
Dec 03 22:26:49 <nyceane> hey anybody  here?
Dec 03 22:26:55 <SineOt> yup
Dec 03 22:26:56 <SineOt> sup
Dec 03 22:26:58 <nyceane> just an off topic question
Dec 03 22:27:00 <nyceane> are you in US?
Dec 03 22:27:16 <SineOt> mmhm
Dec 03 22:27:21 <SineOt> California
Dec 03 22:27:28 <nyceane> wow, me too
Dec 03 22:27:59 <nyceane> I ordered something from amazon 2 day shipping, its 3rd day and USPS still havn't delivered
Dec 03 22:28:41 <nyceane> just wondering what time do they usually come by?
Dec 03 22:28:45 <SineOt> has it shipped?
Dec 03 22:28:47 <SineOt> depends on the area
Dec 03 22:29:08 <SineOt> it shipped USPS 2 day? Or UPS 2 day.
Dec 03 22:29:21 <nyceane> USPS
Dec 03 22:29:42 <nyceane> http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/InterLabelInquiry.do?origTrackNum=9101%201273%209179%200514%204668%2060
Dec 03 22:29:51 <SineOt> hm, depends on where you are I guess
Dec 03 22:30:25 <SineOt> for me USPS gets here around 1-2pm
Dec 03 22:30:36 <nyceane> can't believe Amazon uses usps
Dec 03 22:30:59 <SineOt> they use whatever gets them the best price for that shipment really
Dec 03 22:31:22 <SineOt> how big is the package?
Dec 03 22:31:35 <nyceane> not big, a touch stone and a bluetooth
Dec 03 22:31:40 <SineOt> ah
Dec 03 22:32:07 <SineOt> hm, no idea then. I know sometimes USPS ships things kind of big things differently
Dec 03 22:33:00 <nyceane> yah, very annoying =(
Dec 03 22:33:17 <nyceane> But amazon sells the touch stone for $18 and free shipping
Dec 03 22:33:22 <nyceane> =|
Dec 03 22:33:25 <nyceane> can't beat that
Dec 03 22:34:08 <SineOt> heh, well, you can. I think Verizon had (dunno if they still do) a touchstone, car charger, and case for like 14$ :p
Dec 03 22:34:30 <nyceane> really?
Dec 03 22:34:42 <SineOt> yeah... was a pain in the ass to find the page for the offer though
Dec 03 22:34:47 <nyceane> i went to the store, accessories are among the most expensive things cell phone store can offer
Dec 03 22:34:52 <SineOt> yup
Dec 03 22:34:54 <SineOt> this was online only
Dec 03 22:35:03 <nyceane> I was just wondering another thing
Dec 03 22:35:11 <nyceane> ok, lets say I have 2 Palms
Dec 03 22:35:16 <nyceane> one CDMA, and one GSM
Dec 03 22:35:29 <Loudergood> sounds like my life
Dec 03 22:35:36 <nyceane> is it possible to port over the hardware from CDMA phone into GSM phone
Dec 03 22:35:54 <SineOt> hah
Dec 03 22:35:58 <SineOt> yes but it gets weird
Dec 03 22:36:08 <nyceane> yah, but I am transfering ALL the hardwards
Dec 03 22:36:10 <nyceane> hardwares
Dec 03 22:36:22 <SineOt> rwhitby did it at Dev days by creating a Pre2 that ran on Sprint
Dec 03 22:36:24 <Loudergood> it's weird enough that I'm waiting. and I love to take stuff apart
Dec 03 22:36:28 <SineOt> well, then what's the point?
Dec 03 22:36:53 <nyceane> well, if you have a sprint, and its old
Dec 03 22:37:08 <nyceane> and you get a new GSM Pre, you want the new phone
Dec 03 22:37:26 <nyceane> so you'd want transfer all the stuff to the new screen, new keyboard, etc
Dec 03 22:37:29 <Loudergood> if you're going pre -> pre it's much more doable I believe
Dec 03 22:37:43 <Loudergood> pre-pre2 though..that's tricky
Dec 03 22:37:46 <nyceane> yah, I am about to do it soon when the Sprint Pre breaks down
Dec 03 22:38:01 <nyceane> well, technically you are just using the case, the screen and the keyboard
Dec 03 22:38:03 <nyceane> that's about it
Dec 03 22:39:01 <Loudergood> yeah I'm waiting to go preplus to pre2..
Dec 03 22:39:12 <nyceane> jeez, waiting for usps just really sucks lol
Dec 03 22:39:16 <Loudergood> the lack of a cdma webos dr is not helping things I'm sure
Dec 03 22:39:30 <nyceane> I really hate the carriers =|
Dec 03 22:39:34 <nyceane> in Europe everybody uses GSM
Dec 03 22:39:40 <Loudergood> I agree
Dec 03 22:40:15 <Loudergood> if I could get the same price on gsm I'd hop carriers in an instant
Dec 03 22:40:16 <SineOt> to be fair though... we aren't the only CDMA country in the world
Dec 03 22:40:40 <nyceane> american carriers are among the most expensive carriers you'd imagine to start with
Dec 03 22:40:48 <nyceane> text for $25 a month...
Dec 03 22:41:01 <Loudergood> yeah that's why I'm prepaid
Dec 03 22:41:06 <SineOt> yeah... it's because they went with the "subsidize the phone!" route instead
Dec 03 22:41:12 <nyceane> in Asia $25 can pay entire month of the cellphone minutes/txt/data
Dec 03 22:41:25 <Loudergood> I pay $30 a month for 1200/1200/50
Dec 03 22:41:33 <nyceane> yah, but you get stuck whether you have the phone or not
Dec 03 22:42:11 <Loudergood> but they're a verizon reseller so I'm stuck on cdma
Dec 03 22:43:51 <dawm> precentral is slow
Dec 03 22:44:01 <dawm> i totally mentioned the 7million palmpad's last night
Dec 03 22:44:02 <olaf> hey guys, anyone know if a pre2 phone will fit into a pre car holder from Brodit?
Dec 03 22:44:04 <olaf> http://www.brodit.com/productinformation.jsp?anr=512028
Dec 03 22:44:17 <dawm> olaf its supposed to be the same size
Dec 03 22:44:19 <dawm> so yah?
Dec 03 22:44:46 <olaf> that's what I thought, just checking
Dec 03 22:44:51 <SineOt> olaf: yeah, the back slider part is the same size
Dec 03 22:44:59 <SineOt> but the screen half is a different shape
Dec 03 22:45:03 <Loudergood> screen is flatter, otherwise I can hardly tell them apart
Dec 03 22:45:50 <dawm> http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/1852/2010/11/tablet-mock.jpg
Dec 03 22:45:56 <dawm> anyone have a clue as to what wall paper that is?
Dec 03 22:46:04 <SineOt> "Rumors that Inventec may produce a webOS tablet. Previous stuff said Foxconn would. More weight to Stingray/Mantaray both being tablets?" totally tweeted this last night :o
Dec 03 22:46:06 <dawm> looks like palm leaves blurred
Dec 03 22:46:23 <Loudergood> heh, I think I've seen it on win7
Dec 03 22:46:28 <jlund> I can't wait for a webOS tablet.
Dec 03 22:50:07 <dawm> you're gonna have to :P
Dec 03 22:50:37 <cwgtex> the pre2 definitely fits in the old black and orange case from the original pre, so i imagine it will fit other cases pretty easily
Dec 03 22:51:34 <dawm> i'm officially renaming the cupcake.js to cupecake since apparently thats what my hands prefer to type.. every time
Dec 03 22:51:40 <cwgtex> btw the gorilla glass screen of the pre2 is PHENOMINAL.  it adds a little weight to the device, and gives it a sturdier feel.  it also vastly improves the touchscreen experience
Dec 03 22:52:01 <Loudergood> yeah it is
Dec 03 22:52:18 <cwgtex> *phenomenal
Dec 03 22:53:36 <SineOt> man, a Pixi 2 with a gorilla glass face plate? :x
Dec 03 22:53:37 <cwgtex> i have a question for all of you that have "migrated" your old palm profile into webos 2.0.1 (your new pre2).  is anyone else having trouble with the browser bookmarks?
Dec 03 22:54:38 <cwgtex> on the inital launch page (i believe its called tiles page) all my backed up bookmarks are there, but when i try to access the bookmarks through the menu for editing, there is nothing.
Dec 03 22:54:57 <cwgtex> i added a new bookmark, and that does not show up in the bookmarks menu either.
Dec 03 22:58:05 <olaf> a collegue of mine already received his pre2, it did feel a bit heavy
Dec 03 22:58:20 <olaf> but I can't wait to swap my ipaq 914 for a pre2
Dec 03 23:05:07 <SineOt> finding out that webOS supports CSS3 flexboxes: awesome :9
Dec 03 23:14:16 <SineOt> does anyone know of a Javascript library that will let me get the ASCII value of a key press?
Dec 03 23:15:00 <dawm> you need a library?
Dec 03 23:15:45 <sugardave> charCodeAt()
Dec 03 23:15:47 <dawm> http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_charCodeAt.asp
Dec 03 23:15:50 <SineOt> I was pondering, but it seems I can just do it with charCodeAt()
Dec 03 23:16:19 <dawm> doesnt it also fire off its ascii value?
Dec 03 23:17:11 <dawm> yeah
Dec 03 23:17:22 <dawm> event.keyCode
Dec 03 23:18:57 <SineOt> Yeah, it does
Dec 03 23:19:10 <SineOt> What threw me off was Boxee says to send 61704 for backspace
Dec 03 23:19:21 <SineOt> Which is 8 + 61696 :V
Dec 03 23:19:27 <dawm> ;p
Dec 03 23:20:43 <dawm> doOp: function()
Dec 03 23:20:48 <dawm> looks funny
Dec 03 23:22:47 <SineOt> Aside from the whole needing to send UDP packets if you're going to support autodiscovery, I think it MIGHT be possible to make an awesome Boxee remote app!
Dec 03 23:31:24 <dawm> seriously.. no info on webos101 about keypress.. bah
Dec 03 23:31:30 <dawm> off to the other docs =/
Dec 03 23:32:15 <oilsworkn> good luck!
Dec 03 23:33:02 <SineOt> Now... To go hook my Mini up to the TV to test some Boxee stuff :I
Dec 03 23:33:04 <dawm> awesome.. the other docs only give 5 lines of info..
Dec 03 23:42:40 <dawm> aww wheres codeslaw.. was gonna tell him his achievement has been created ;p
Dec 03 23:58:49 * sugardave returns with Christmas tree.
Dec 03 23:59:02 <sugardave> o<<-
Dec 04 00:01:56 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 04 00:14:03 <dawm> durr
Dec 04 00:14:10 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1698
Dec 04 00:14:14 <dawm> when did they add that?
Dec 04 00:14:33 <dawm> how to screencast emulator
Dec 04 00:16:33 <halfhalo> dunno
Dec 04 00:16:53 <dawm> according to google chrome, ive been to that page before..
Dec 04 00:18:23 <dawm> im installing all the crap required to 'tunnel'.. if palm-log wasnt so useless i wouldnt have to
Dec 04 00:32:09 <dawm> anyone use host mode?
Dec 04 00:32:17 <dawm> ive been waiting 5+ minutes for it to load
Dec 04 00:34:47 <DaDirtyPanda> whats host mode
Dec 04 00:34:58 <dawm> lets you use the emulator in your browser (chrome/safari)
Dec 04 00:35:16 <DaDirtyPanda> gotcha
Dec 04 00:35:32 <dawm> i see why its not working now that i opened up the jscript console.. tons o errors
Dec 04 00:42:19 <dawm> o.m.g. same useless output =/
Dec 04 01:06:43 <dawm> http://www.gymkhanagrid.com/
Dec 04 01:06:55 <dawm> live practice/qualifying stream
Dec 04 01:12:16 <k[t> damn: the red block with the center can looks difficult..
Dec 04 01:12:36 <k[t> then again: i never drove professionally...
Dec 04 01:14:19 <dawm> heh
Dec 04 01:14:32 <dawm> look on youtube for gymkhana v1, v2 and v3
Dec 04 01:14:49 <k[t> at gymkhanagrid.com -- the live stream with twitter feed...
Dec 04 01:15:22 <k[t> the guy in the royal blue subaru (impreza i think) is up... but he faulted early on one can..
Dec 04 01:15:28 <dawm> yeah
Dec 04 01:15:53 <dawm> almost all of these cars arent setup for this event since its the first of its kind
Dec 04 01:16:10 <dawm> only ken block and tanner foust have cars setup for this, and really just ken cause its his invention ;p
Dec 04 01:16:21 <k[t> true: but i find this style to be far more entertaining the standard nascar...
Dec 04 01:16:22 <dawm> the rest are just rally/track cars
Dec 04 01:16:31 <dawm> very much so
Dec 04 01:16:37 <k[t> heh, cheater... jk
Dec 04 01:16:37 <dawm> drifting with obstacles
Dec 04 01:16:54 <k[t> well it's pretty cool nonetheless..
Dec 04 01:17:30 <k[t> it alsa looks like DC sponsered part of the event... which makes it 10times more cool..
Dec 04 01:17:41 <k[t> s/sponsered/sponsored/
Dec 04 01:17:54 <dawm> ken block owns a good chunk (more than half) of DC
Dec 04 01:18:31 <k[t> i'm gonna look him up -- cause i thought Dyrdek was the comlete owner now..
Dec 04 01:18:39 <k[t> or my info is just outdated..
Dec 04 01:18:49 <k[t> s/comlete/complete/
Dec 04 01:19:02 <dawm> no he's just sponsored by them and also designs for them (Rob)
Dec 04 01:19:22 <k[t> gotcha...
Dec 04 01:19:38 <dawm> rob and ken did make a bet if rob made a basket across the factory he would give him 50% of DC, Rob made the basket but hasnt gotten the prize ;p
Dec 04 01:19:54 <dawm> rob did a gymkhana 2.1 with ken on the factory
Dec 04 01:19:57 <dawm> its on youtube
Dec 04 01:20:15 <dawm> with rob in a impreza shaped gocart
Dec 04 01:20:38 <k[t> where he did the mini cart and the other guy had a full-sized vehicle...
Dec 04 01:20:44 <dawm> yeah
Dec 04 01:20:47 <dawm> that other guy was ken block
Dec 04 01:20:54 <k[t> ooohhhhhh
Dec 04 01:20:57 <dawm> when he was driving for subaru
Dec 04 01:21:12 <dawm> subaru recentally pulled out of WRC so he had to go with ford, which is why hes in a fiesta now
Dec 04 01:21:25 <k[t> that sounds horrible...
Dec 04 01:21:44 <k[t> well that fact of going to ford from subaru..
Dec 04 01:21:51 <k[t> s/that/the/
Dec 04 01:21:52 <dawm> yeah
Dec 04 01:21:57 <dawm> but its not a normal fiesta heh
Dec 04 01:22:01 <dawm> awd and boosted
Dec 04 01:22:13 <k[t> true... i'm gonna try to catch some pics...
Dec 04 01:22:41 <k[t> no... that's actually just the sickest ford fiesta in the worl...
Dec 04 01:23:08 * k[t is starting to believe that something is wrong with his keyboard
Dec 04 01:23:17 <k[t> s/worl/world/
Dec 04 01:24:26 <k[t> oops this is off-topic, i'll stop talking now... cya dawm..
Dec 04 01:25:45 <dawm> lol
Dec 04 01:26:39 <dawm> anyone else having problems with komodo and the webos plugin not packaging everything up?
Dec 04 01:27:01 <dawm> it randomly doesnt update files or includes em
Dec 04 01:29:34 <dawm> like now its not packaging my scene html
Dec 04 01:30:56 <dawm> hrm appears to be palm-package thats not working..
Dec 04 01:32:57 <dawm> nvm.. apparently windows decided to uppercase the folder/file name.. even tho it wasnt uppercased an hour ago when everything was working
Dec 04 01:50:20 <dawm> well thats 2 achievements done and working
Dec 04 01:55:59 <codeslaw> this mexican food cart down the street
Dec 04 01:56:01 <codeslaw> oh my god
Dec 04 01:56:12 <codeslaw> mind blowing
Dec 04 01:56:17 <dawm> oh yeah
Dec 04 01:56:26 <dawm> your achievement is done :P
Dec 04 01:56:32 <dawm> works great too
Dec 04 01:56:40 <codeslaw> what is it?
Dec 04 01:56:49 <dawm> its hidden, what fun would that be
Dec 04 01:56:55 <codeslaw> alright
Dec 04 01:56:59 <codeslaw> when is it gettin released
Dec 04 01:57:06 <dawm> when i finish heh
Dec 04 01:57:11 <codeslaw> cool
Dec 04 01:57:41 <dawm> lots to do, but all the game mechanics are done
Dec 04 01:57:54 <dawm> just gotta do all the stats, scores, glitter and polish
Dec 04 02:00:07 <dawm> ive got xAuth approval so i an send tweets with no hackery, wish facebook was as easy.
Dec 04 02:01:36 <Tibfib> hmm, why would my opacity webkit transition only work the first time?
Dec 04 02:02:45 <Tibfib> I add a class, and it transitions to hidden. I remove it and then if I toggle the class name again it hides/shows instantly
Dec 04 02:06:05 <Tibfib> meh. got it to work
Dec 04 02:26:24 <dawm> can i use === undefined? or is it only for false/true
Dec 04 02:26:27 <dawm> i forget
Dec 04 02:29:26 <dawm> yerp ===
Dec 04 02:36:46 <CTLAdvance> friggin mojo errors
Dec 04 02:36:53 <CTLAdvance> http://tinyurl.com/yd7hphp
Dec 04 02:37:32 <dawm> um
Dec 04 02:37:40 <dawm> i think i reconize that url
Dec 04 02:37:55 <dawm> yeah.. as i thought NSFW
Dec 04 02:37:57 <CTLAdvance> I think you posted it
Dec 04 02:38:03 <CTLAdvance> :D
Dec 04 02:38:13 <dawm> atleast i posted it with a warning
Dec 04 02:38:22 <dawm> not with context leading it to be busted code ;p
Dec 04 02:39:12 <CTLAdvance> I had to... mojo
Dec 04 02:40:35 <dawm> ugh
Dec 04 02:40:48 <dawm> i wish code would complete before moving on..
Dec 04 02:41:12 <dawm> i tell it to login to twitter so it does but doesnt complete until after somethign else is trying to access data..
Dec 04 02:41:17 <dawm> guess ill have to add a callback
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