**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 06 02:59:57 2010
Dec 06 03:07:59 <Spanska> what a stupid mistake I did
Dec 06 03:29:05 <mugen-> anyone have any recommendations for drive cloning tools?
Dec 06 03:29:14 <SineOt> For OSX?
Dec 06 03:29:20 <mugen-> i have 6 identical spec'ed win7 systems i need to clone off a master
Dec 06 03:29:37 <mugen-> it'd have to be a windows tool
Dec 06 03:29:53 <SineOt> Hmmm. DD? :V
Dec 06 03:30:53 <mugen-> yea, i spose i could dd it
Dec 06 03:32:41 <SineOt> Hm, interesting bit of design. http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/05/shenzhen-netvertible-flips-its-lid-apes-dell-inspiron-duo-with/
Dec 06 03:38:33 <mugen-> yeah, i saw that...
Dec 06 03:38:39 <mugen-> looks kind of gimicky
Dec 06 03:38:56 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/2001-2003-Toyota-Highlander-Headlight-Assembly/dp/B0024NSMAG waaaaant
Dec 06 03:39:10 <mugen-> ?
Dec 06 03:39:14 <SineOt> yeah, it's way gimicky for sure
Dec 06 03:39:29 <mugen-> halfhalo, too expensive or too cheap?
Dec 06 03:39:32 <SineOt> but for being built/designed by some no name fly by night Chinese firm it's at least got some interesting concepts
Dec 06 03:39:44 <mugen-> for sure
Dec 06 03:39:57 <halfhalo> neither, to not in my shopping cart right now
Dec 06 03:40:12 <SineOt> it'd be cool to see the idea refined
Dec 06 03:40:29 <SineOt> like the Inspirion Duo 2 will no doubt be
Dec 06 03:42:45 * SineOt installed a truck box on his truck... Then cut a custom liner for it from an old trunk liner he had laying around. Looks really nice.
Dec 06 04:50:19 <Spanska> everything works :D
Dec 06 05:07:18 <JenP> yeah!
Dec 06 06:44:08 <alexfner> anyone here ever worked with lua?
Dec 06 06:49:22 <b0bben> morning
Dec 06 06:50:17 <b0bben> thank Gods of Kobol for wIRC. bus-riding is so much more enjoyable ;-)
Dec 06 06:56:47 <b0bben> so, any news on the dev phone in EU?
Dec 06 07:04:15 <oil> haha
Dec 06 07:05:07 <oil> i said the same thing when i was wircing from a plane
Dec 06 07:08:21 <b0bben> oil: great minds think alike ;)
Dec 06 07:09:34 <b0bben> too bad the traffic is low, i could use some awesome conversation about the innards of enyo :)
Dec 06 07:10:27 <b0bben> i guess i'll just keep staring at the hot chick instead
Dec 06 07:13:30 <b0bben> ok, she just called me a creep
Dec 06 07:13:58 <b0bben> nah, j/k
Dec 06 07:44:32 <hotdp> Good morning
Dec 06 08:45:39 <smack> can someone help me out? maybe?
Dec 06 08:45:46 <smack> my screen is dead on me pre
Dec 06 08:45:53 <smack> gesture area as well
Dec 06 08:45:57 <hotdp> hmm
Dec 06 08:46:01 <hotdp> out of nothin?
Dec 06 08:46:06 <smack> it's old
Dec 06 08:46:12 <smack> just died from age
Dec 06 08:46:27 <smack> but, when I plug the usb cable in, I can see the drive in windows
Dec 06 08:46:33 <smack> however, it's not mounted
Dec 06 08:46:45 <smack> anyway to mount it without being able to use the screen?
Dec 06 08:46:50 <smack> dev mode is off :/
Dec 06 08:49:46 <smack> it seems to be alive
Dec 06 08:49:49 <smack> backlight is on
Dec 06 08:50:18 <smack> webos doctor doesn't seem to detect it though
Dec 06 08:50:35 <hotdp> donnu
Dec 06 08:50:41 <smack> and since I have no idea if I can actually get it into recovery mode I'm kinda :(
Dec 06 09:20:20 <smack> yay recovery mode
Dec 06 09:28:16 <hotdp> smack: it works agan?
Dec 06 09:33:05 <smack> no
Dec 06 09:33:07 <smack> not yet
Dec 06 09:33:15 <smack> I got the bypass activation to run once
Dec 06 09:33:21 <smack> then it says it can't find the device
Dec 06 09:42:42 <smack> yes!
Dec 06 09:42:49 <smack> usb partition mounted
Dec 06 09:42:53 <smack> so happy
Dec 06 09:43:05 * smack copies like mad
Dec 06 09:44:18 <hotdp> hehe
Dec 06 09:44:20 <smack> I just ran prebackup yesterday too
Dec 06 09:45:05 <smack> this pre just turned into a very expensive 8gb thumb drive
Dec 06 09:47:24 <smack> the screen on this one has always been hokey
Dec 06 09:47:39 <smack> now I get to smash it
Dec 06 09:49:50 <smack> I have another pre, and I did an ESN swap earlier
Dec 06 09:50:21 <smack> not thinking the old one would require me to press the 'done' button when it reprogrammed
Dec 06 09:50:47 <smack> so I couldn't even do orange-sym-u
Dec 06 12:25:14 <bjadelos> Hey webos developer, I have a problem and I hope anybody can help me please. I have a palm community account and I will upgrade this to a developer account as Open Source Developer. This is my first try and if I select 'Yes' in upgrade formular I get an error text under the pulldown menu: "You cannot change this after your account is created." What can I do?
Dec 06 12:33:09 <rwhitby> you cannot change the account type
Dec 06 12:33:27 <rwhitby> bjadelos: note that there is no real difference now anyway, since the fees have been waived
Dec 06 12:33:36 <rwhitby> you can choose an open source license for a normal account
Dec 06 12:48:19 <bjadelos> @rwhitby And how I can create a open source developer account?
Dec 06 12:49:43 <hotdp> bjadelos: why do you wonna change the acount type?
Dec 06 12:51:31 <bjadelos> I will an open source developer account and I don't know how I can get it.
Dec 06 12:53:28 <rwhitby> bjadelos: keep the account you have, and just choose an open source license for each application
Dec 06 12:53:50 <rwhitby> bjadelos: there is no benefit to having an open source account, just choose an open source license in a normal account
Dec 06 12:59:18 <bjadelos> ok, I would like to save pains with tax/forms and so on
Dec 06 12:59:44 <bjadelos> I thought I can this with a open source developer account
Dec 06 13:03:49 <rwhitby> you can just leave those things blank on a normal account I believe.
Dec 06 13:04:13 <rwhitby> if not, you will need to create a new account under a different name, because you cannot change the account type
Dec 06 13:24:04 <hotdp> anyone who have problems with gtalk and Pre2? mine logs out all the time..
Dec 06 15:38:10 <msd18> hey anyone here
Dec 06 15:39:36 <hotdp> ya
Dec 06 15:41:26 <msd18> anyone know of a c and c++ compiler for webos
Dec 06 15:41:43 <Robdor> msd18: Just use the GCC compiler bundled in the SDK.
Dec 06 15:41:59 <msd18> I don't have a working pc
Dec 06 15:42:16 <msd18> I need one I can use on my phone
Dec 06 15:43:24 <Robdor> You may be able to get the toolchain running on a phone, I don't know if anybody has done that.
Dec 06 15:53:29 <msd18> ok so where would i look for the cross compile stuff
Dec 06 15:53:30 <destinal> Robdor: answer is yes you can compile software on the device and it's on the webos-internals wiki under debian chroot.
Dec 06 15:54:00 <destinal> Robdor: though it's slow and I recommend cross compile if possible instead
Dec 06 15:54:22 <msd18> ya i would use a cross compile but i dont have a pc
Dec 06 15:54:31 <Robdor> Yeah, I wouldn't ever want to do it but msd18 is asking about it.
Dec 06 15:54:48 <msd18> ya
Dec 06 15:54:57 <msd18> due to lack of pc i dont have a choice
Dec 06 15:55:08 <destinal> msd18: yup, you can do it, check the wiki.  you going to actually write code on the phone too like in a shell with vi or something?
Dec 06 15:55:09 <msd18> ill have 2 use nano and deal with the slowness
Dec 06 15:55:16 <destinal> ah nano
Dec 06 15:55:19 <msd18> ya
Dec 06 15:55:37 <msd18> ok im on the wiki where do i go
Dec 06 15:55:47 <msd18> says main page at the top
Dec 06 15:56:20 <destinal> msd18: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian
Dec 06 15:56:35 <msd18> ah ok
Dec 06 15:56:43 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 15:56:53 <msd18> do i need the rootfs to be made
Dec 06 15:56:58 <destinal> once you've got that up and running you can chroot into the cf directory as it says and  apt-get install build-essential  to get a compiler going
Dec 06 15:57:10 <destinal> msd18: you just download it
Dec 06 15:57:38 <msd18> ok so can u get the debian img running from my pixi
Dec 06 15:58:14 <msd18> cuse im at a library running very limited winhoes
Dec 06 15:58:15 <destinal> msd18: hmm I don't know for sure if it's an armv6 or armv7 build
Dec 06 15:58:49 <destinal> pixi is armv6.  pre can run v6 and v7 bins.  so it's possible
Dec 06 15:58:50 <destinal> not sure
Dec 06 15:59:50 <msd18> ok ill try it
Dec 06 16:01:10 <msd18> but ill have 2 unzip it under the phone as well
Dec 06 16:01:15 <msd18> dam bzip lol
Dec 06 16:01:59 <destinal> msd18: you should really install optware
Dec 06 16:02:32 <msd18> i have it
Dec 06 16:02:38 <msd18> ipkg-opt
Dec 06 16:02:52 <destinal> ah ok then you can ipkg-opt install bzip2 and stuff
Dec 06 16:03:17 <destinal> may take a while to extract a large bz2 though on the pixi  :)
Dec 06 16:03:28 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 16:03:45 <msd18> cannot find package bzip2
Dec 06 16:04:41 <msd18> rofl its already installed on the dfevice
Dec 06 16:04:52 <destinal> ah
Dec 06 16:04:53 <destinal> cooo
Dec 06 16:04:54 <msd18> seems to be running it now
Dec 06 16:04:56 <destinal> l
Dec 06 16:05:28 <msd18> i wish it was possible to run deb with desktop mode
Dec 06 16:05:29 <msd18> xD
Dec 06 16:05:37 <msd18> small pc in my pocket
Dec 06 16:05:43 <msd18> rofl
Dec 06 16:06:24 <msd18> dest ya it doing it my device is laggin like hell
Dec 06 16:06:36 <msd18> lol
Dec 06 16:07:20 <msd18> can we make a new os for the palm devices?
Dec 06 16:07:34 <msd18> frankly a dashboard is kinda dull and boring
Dec 06 16:08:10 <msd18> example a java chat i know of i wanna use but i can cuse this device dont have the java needed
Dec 06 16:08:23 <msd18> running deb desktop interface should make it possible
Dec 06 16:08:58 <msd18> o.o this extract is taking ages wow holy hell
Dec 06 16:09:52 <msd18> also is it possible to put the webos compiler on here?
Dec 06 16:15:13 <msd18> hmm
Dec 06 16:15:23 <msd18> ok i did the mounting of the deb rootfs
Dec 06 16:15:44 <msd18> i ran opt-get install build ess. and said opt-get not found
Dec 06 16:18:28 <msd18> dest
Dec 06 16:23:41 <msd18>  nvm workin
Dec 06 16:24:30 <destinal> cool
Dec 06 16:24:53 <msd18> damit
Dec 06 16:25:00 <msd18> i cant resize the debsmall.img
Dec 06 16:25:12 <msd18> so it dont have enuff room to install the build-ess
Dec 06 16:25:45 <destinal> can't resize?
Dec 06 16:26:01 <msd18> says size isnt valid when i try 2 resize to 500mb
Dec 06 16:26:05 <msd18> even with 200mb
Dec 06 16:26:47 <destinal> like resize2fs debsmall.img 500M  (capital M?)
Dec 06 16:27:24 <msd18> no
Dec 06 16:27:26 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 16:27:36 <msd18> i mounted everything now when unmounting it says not found
Dec 06 16:27:39 <msd18> this is odd
Dec 06 16:27:53 <destinal> you have to exit the chroot
Dec 06 16:28:06 <destinal> chroot makes a new shell, exit leaves it
Dec 06 16:28:34 <destinal> bbiab
Dec 06 16:29:12 <msd18> ok now its resizing
Dec 06 16:29:16 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 16:29:28 <msd18> lagg
Dec 06 16:29:28 <msd18> xD
Dec 06 16:30:07 <msd18> is there a way to have this automounted on bootup
Dec 06 16:30:11 <msd18> i forget where thats stored
Dec 06 16:31:25 <msd18> lol how long will it take to resize 500m rofl
Dec 06 16:35:18 <msd18> omg my palm resetted it self
Dec 06 16:35:19 <msd18> xD
Dec 06 16:35:22 <msd18> fail
Dec 06 16:36:04 <msd18> dest
Dec 06 16:36:10 <msd18> can i kick my palm in the ass
Dec 06 16:36:15 <msd18> it rebooted it self
Dec 06 16:36:21 <msd18> lol
Dec 06 16:36:52 <msd18> ok now i wanna know wat causes these reboots
Dec 06 16:38:34 <destinal> msd18: I dunno, mine doesn't do that
Dec 06 16:38:53 <msd18> idk why but ive always had that problem with webos update to 1.4.5
Dec 06 16:39:04 <msd18> with 1.4.1 ive never had that
Dec 06 16:39:11 <destinal> maybe 2.0'll fix ya
Dec 06 16:39:21 <msd18> hopefully whens it coming out for pixi
Dec 06 16:39:39 <destinal> no idea.  "in the coming months" they say
Dec 06 16:40:25 <msd18> omfg
Dec 06 16:40:52 <msd18> now im getting cant mount the img to /media/cf in /etc/fdtab
Dec 06 16:40:59 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 16:41:10 * msd18 kick the stinking phonre
Dec 06 16:41:53 <msd18> dest i need a fix here fast i only have 40 mins till pc logs off
Dec 06 16:43:23 * halfhalo laughs
Dec 06 16:43:26 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 16:43:50 <msd18> this freaking sucks
Dec 06 16:45:16 <msd18> halfhalo do u kow how to fix this
Dec 06 16:46:02 <halfhalo> no
Dec 06 16:46:16 * halfhalo is busy filling out his calendar
Dec 06 16:46:52 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 16:48:00 <msd18> dest
Dec 06 16:48:10 <msd18> any idea on the cf crap with fstab
Dec 06 16:49:37 <msd18> 33 mins :(
Dec 06 16:49:45 <msd18> ill be on irc soon on my fone ppl
Dec 06 16:50:00 <msd18> adding deb isnt easy ugh
Dec 06 16:50:02 <halfhalo> chuqui!
Dec 06 16:50:30 <Loudergood> weird...I think I just had a charger die on me
Dec 06 16:50:35 <msd18> lol
Dec 06 16:50:40 <msd18> my wire is fuckeds
Dec 06 16:50:56 <msd18> so its hard to charge mine using my laptop
Dec 06 16:51:04 <chuqui> morning,a ll
Dec 06 16:51:10 <msd18> it says its charging but discharges really slow
Dec 06 16:51:16 <msd18> like its getting power just not enuff
Dec 06 16:51:17 <msd18> lol
Dec 06 16:51:31 <Loudergood> my touchstone stopped working so I went and plugged the usb straight in and nothing...
Dec 06 16:52:04 <Loudergood> I swapped out the round adapter with the plug and it works again
Dec 06 16:53:01 <msd18> im having problems with deb rootfs :(
Dec 06 16:53:37 * halfhalo goes to hunt up palms press contact info
Dec 06 16:53:50 <msd18> lol wats u thinking half
Dec 06 16:54:21 * halfhalo is filling out his ces calender
Dec 06 16:54:48 <halfhalo> wow, how did I manage to do that...
Dec 06 16:55:37 <msd18> damit still no fix on the cf problem
Dec 06 16:55:38 <msd18> this blows
Dec 06 16:58:49 <msd18> woohoo fixed it
Dec 06 16:58:57 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 17:00:14 <msd18> hey dest it says i dont have enuff space in /var/cache/apt/archives/
Dec 06 17:01:00 <destinal> msd18: no idea, something could have gone wrong with the reboot during resize corrupting the fs
Dec 06 17:01:12 <msd18> no it did this as well b4 the resize
Dec 06 17:01:19 <msd18> the items mounted fine tho
Dec 06 17:01:23 <destinal> well it probably never properly resized
Dec 06 17:01:34 <msd18> well the img file is 200m
Dec 06 17:02:02 <destinal> and from inside, if you do a df -h, how much space do you have?
Dec 06 17:02:20 <msd18> rofl
Dec 06 17:02:20 <msd18> omg
Dec 06 17:02:35 <msd18> i cant use usb mode when deb is mounted
Dec 06 17:02:54 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 17:02:59 <destinal> yeah, it's on the usb disk so that would make sense
Dec 06 17:03:12 <msd18> unable to read mounted file systems: Input/output error
Dec 06 17:03:42 <msd18> thats wat i got when i used df -h
Dec 06 17:03:49 <msd18> o.o
Dec 06 17:04:04 <msd18> 18 mins T.T
Dec 06 17:04:18 * msd18 is gonna use wifi with wirc mhm
Dec 06 17:04:25 <destinal> msd18: anyway you may want to try it all again, I don't have a debain rootfs on my pre anymore but  I suspect the reboot corupted things
Dec 06 17:04:36 <msd18> eh ok
Dec 06 17:06:09 <destinal> msd18: if I were you I'd find like a vga monitor that someone's throwing away to get an LCD and plug it into that laptop
Dec 06 17:06:24 <msd18> ya i know right
Dec 06 17:06:43 <msd18> lol
Dec 06 17:06:49 <msd18> would make things alot easyer
Dec 06 17:06:58 <msd18> anyways i g2g ill brb going into wirc
Dec 06 17:24:26 <codeslaw_> any c coders in today
Dec 06 17:26:17 <Robdor> codeslaw: I am
Dec 06 17:28:36 <codeslaw_> hows it goin rob
Dec 06 17:29:06 <Robdor> Pretty good, how are?
Dec 06 17:29:10 <codeslaw_> not bad
Dec 06 17:29:16 <codeslaw_> i have a strategy question
Dec 06 17:29:59 <codeslaw_> my plan is to -> get pixel data array from html canvas tag, encode as a string, pass that to a plugin
Dec 06 17:30:41 <codeslaw_> then in the plugin, create a new SDL_surface of the same size, decode the csv string and plug that data into the pixels* field on the SDL_surface
Dec 06 17:31:06 <codeslaw_> then use SDL_getBitmapImate or whatever that function is, then convert that to png via libpng
Dec 06 17:31:11 <codeslaw_> or jpg
Dec 06 17:31:26 <codeslaw_> do you see any holes in that plan, or steps I could eliminate?
Dec 06 17:34:05 <Robdor> That sounds good to me. You may be able to find a library that can save SDL surfaces directly a jpg or png to bypass the conversion step.
Dec 06 17:34:50 <codeslaw_> i've looked
Dec 06 17:35:32 <codeslaw_> this looks promising
Dec 06 17:35:36 <codeslaw_> http://members.gamedev.net/lode/projects/LodePNG/
Dec 06 17:35:52 <codeslaw_> as far as NOT having to compile and link to libpng
Dec 06 17:36:53 <Robdor> codeslaw_: Cool, I'm going to bookmark that one.
Dec 06 17:36:58 * halfhalo eyes are bleeding
Dec 06 17:37:01 <codeslaw_> ya it seems convenient
Dec 06 17:37:17 * codeslaw_ hands halfhalo a napkin
Dec 06 17:40:23 <halfhalo> sony has the worst wbesite designers ever
Dec 06 18:13:58 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Dec 06 18:20:36 <hotdp> yo LoneStar99
Dec 06 18:21:30 <Robi_> uh weird, my pre sitting on the touchstone just went to the dead battery screen
Dec 06 18:21:50 <oilsworkn> must not be straight on
Dec 06 18:22:53 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp
Dec 06 18:23:18 <Robi_> it was on
Dec 06 18:23:39 <Robi_> I just removed it from the touchstone and plugged it in directly
Dec 06 18:23:42 <halfhalo> or was it... 0.o
Dec 06 18:23:59 <Robi_> for a short time it shows the plug, then goes back to dead battery
Dec 06 18:24:11 <Robi_> battery must be hosed
Dec 06 18:26:48 <Robi_> ok i unplug everything, pop the battery and the screen goes to dead batt then to plug, then back to dead batt all w/o being plugged in
Dec 06 18:32:22 <Robi_> swappingin a new batt works
Dec 06 18:32:33 <Robi_> epic fail
Dec 06 18:40:40 <Workenhaven> ouch
Dec 06 18:40:42 <Workenhaven> dead battery
Dec 06 19:03:24 * halfhalo is currently fighting with wifi again
Dec 06 19:04:17 <Workenhaven> heh
Dec 06 19:04:33 <Workenhaven> i broke X on my development machine 3 times fighting with X and multiple monitors :p
Dec 06 19:04:53 <halfhalo> Thats why I use windows
Dec 06 19:04:54 <halfhalo> or mac
Dec 06 19:05:13 <oilsworkn> multiple monitors FTW
Dec 06 19:05:18 <halfhalo> I know right?
Dec 06 19:05:19 <Workenhaven> well i like linux better
Dec 06 19:05:22 <alexfner> is there a way to store resources locally on the client?  Images, for example
Dec 06 19:05:31 <alexfner> whoa that question sucked
Dec 06 19:05:35 <alexfner> let me try that again
Dec 06 19:05:36 * halfhalo likes a working setup better
Dec 06 19:05:41 <Workenhaven> well it works now
Dec 06 19:05:46 <Workenhaven> i just wanted to customize it
Dec 06 19:05:54 <Workenhaven> past what the turnkey setup allowed
Dec 06 19:06:10 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 19:06:15 <Workenhaven> have fun doing that on a mac or pc
Dec 06 19:06:18 <alexfner> can you cache web page resources client side for an arbitrary page? (does anyone know about offline caching?)
Dec 06 19:06:43 * halfhalo has a setup just the way he likes it
Dec 06 19:06:44 <oilsworkn> in webos?
Dec 06 19:07:03 <Workenhaven> you could do an ORDB i guess
Dec 06 19:07:20 * oilsworkn uses classic theme in windows, LOLS
Dec 06 19:07:26 <oilsworkn> and by classic, i mean, gray
Dec 06 19:07:29 * halfhalo uses shiny theme
Dec 06 19:07:40 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 19:07:45 <Workenhaven> i use ubuntu-satanic at home
Dec 06 19:07:48 <Workenhaven> free heavy metal music
Dec 06 19:07:55 <Workenhaven> replaces all the system sounds
Dec 06 19:08:08 <Workenhaven> plus the colorscheme is great for not blinding you
Dec 06 19:08:12 * oilsworkn mutes system sounds
Dec 06 19:08:13 <halfhalo> bah
Dec 06 19:08:13 <Workenhaven> cause it's all dark greys and reds
Dec 06 19:08:26 * oilsworkn doesn't require audio feedback for things like clicking
Dec 06 19:08:30 * halfhalo has default win7 theme save for coke background
Dec 06 19:08:43 * halfhalo mutes all im sounds but has sound up usually
Dec 06 19:08:55 * alexfner windows...
Dec 06 19:08:55 <Workenhaven> i will admit to running chrome on ubuntu just cause it runs pandora better :P
Dec 06 19:08:59 <oilsworkn> no door open/closing sounds when friends get on or off?
Dec 06 19:09:00 <oilsworkn> LOL
Dec 06 19:09:10 * halfhalo uses adium/trillian
Dec 06 19:09:14 <oilsworkn> *creeeeeeeek*
Dec 06 19:09:18 <Workenhaven> also if it crashes chrome it doesn't kill all my other stuff i've got pulled up on firefox
Dec 06 19:09:20 <oilsworkn> *slam*
Dec 06 19:09:22 <alexfner> have you guys heard of Mac OS X?  It's a really great dev environment...
Dec 06 19:09:35 <Workenhaven> yea, if you wanna pay $400 extra for a sticker
Dec 06 19:09:35 <oilsworkn> i heard you only get it on expensive hardware
Dec 06 19:09:56 <Workenhaven> my dev machine would cost probably $5k if it were a mac
Dec 06 19:10:00 <oilsworkn> and if you try to do something like add faster ssd drives to it, they sue and kill the manufacturer
Dec 06 19:10:12 * halfhalo uses a mini as a dev machine with a shiny intel ssd
Dec 06 19:10:13 * oilsworkn doesn't want to play ball with them
Dec 06 19:10:19 <alexfner> nah they hve a mac mini that you can use if you're budget conscious
Dec 06 19:10:36 <Workenhaven> i've got a thinkpad t410, i5 with 8gb of ddr3, maybe $2k, as a mac, easily $5k or more
Dec 06 19:10:52 <alexfner> Workenhaven: can you develop for iOS on it?
Dec 06 19:10:53 <Workenhaven> just for a shiny sticker
Dec 06 19:10:58 * halfhalo has a T400 with 4Gb ram
Dec 06 19:11:14 <Workenhaven> yea, i can just run osX in a VM
Dec 06 19:11:30 <alexfner> sounds awfully slow :/
Dec 06 19:11:31 <Workenhaven> just like i've got windows in a VM
Dec 06 19:11:45 <Workenhaven> why the hell would i want to dev for iOS though?
Dec 06 19:11:47 <alexfner> I wouldn't give windows to my worst enemy :)
Dec 06 19:11:52 * halfhalo likes his switchable graphics thankyouverymuch
Dec 06 19:12:02 <Workenhaven> yea well i have to test IE
Dec 06 19:12:04 <alexfner> Workenhaven: I dunno, over 100 million devices, iPad
Dec 06 19:12:35 <Workenhaven> i don't write anything for any devices
Dec 06 19:12:38 <oilsworkn> ignore alex-"I<3steve"-fner
Dec 06 19:12:40 <Workenhaven> all our stuff runs on a linux server
Dec 06 19:12:47 <oilsworkn> xD
Dec 06 19:12:56 <alexfner> oilsworkn: I never mentioned anything about steve :)
Dec 06 19:13:24 <alexfner> oilsworkn: you're refferring to steve smith?
Dec 06 19:13:59 * oilsworkn doesn't feel the need to explain further
Dec 06 19:14:23 <halfhalo> hah
Dec 06 19:15:37 <Workenhaven> i have yet to find a feature of OSX that i can't replicate for free in linux
Dec 06 19:15:49 <Workenhaven> on hardware that is identical, but costs 30% less
Dec 06 19:16:03 <halfhalo> textmate
Dec 06 19:16:16 <Workenhaven> textmate?
Dec 06 19:16:23 <alexfner> Workenhaven: anyone from your grandmother to a serious developer could use it
Dec 06 19:16:25 <halfhalo> textmate.
Dec 06 19:16:31 <Workenhaven> what is textmate?
Dec 06 19:16:33 <alexfner> Workenhaven: and turn on the machine and it would just work
Dec 06 19:16:36 <alexfner> textmate
Dec 06 19:16:51 <halfhalo> the most awesomeness editor ever
Dec 06 19:16:56 <Workenhaven> vi
Dec 06 19:17:30 <halfhalo> is not textmate
Dec 06 19:17:51 <oilsworkn> my grandmother uses vi, srsly
Dec 06 19:18:06 <halfhalo> which is still not textmate
Dec 06 19:18:26 <alexfner> oilsworkn: what do you use for development? what setup would you buy for your mother?
Dec 06 19:18:36 <oilsworkn> she'll replace you with a small shell script that just does 'echo "apple ftmfw"'
Dec 06 19:18:47 <Workenhaven> well
Dec 06 19:18:53 <Workenhaven> as the textmate website isn't even up
Dec 06 19:19:09 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 19:19:21 * halfhalo has yet to find a good editor on win/limux that replaces textmate
Dec 06 19:19:55 <Workenhaven> man, textmate must be really important if they don't even care their server is down
Dec 06 19:20:02 * oilsworkn refuses to get into the "what text editor do you use? oh, that one sucks, this one is better because i use it" discussion
Dec 06 19:20:34 * halfhalo cant comment on the down website because he can't load any websites anywho
Dec 06 19:21:02 * alexfner feta cheese
Dec 06 19:21:14 * halfhalo would use textmate on windows or linux if it was out for it
Dec 06 19:21:27 <Workenhaven> use a mac emulator
Dec 06 19:22:19 <halfhalo> no?
Dec 06 19:23:16 <halfhalo> Its not worth it to just have a mac emu for that
Dec 06 19:26:38 <Loudergood> I'm curious about what textmate has that notepad++ and kate don't
Dec 06 19:26:47 <oilsworkn> magical apple sauce
Dec 06 19:26:51 <oilsworkn> "it just works"
Dec 06 19:26:57 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 19:27:02 <Loudergood> haha
Dec 06 19:27:12 <Workenhaven> hookers just work too
Dec 06 19:27:15 <Workenhaven> but you wind up with VD
Dec 06 19:27:23 <Loudergood> of course none of these compare to vim/emacs ;)
Dec 06 19:27:25 <halfhalo> it has fancy autocomplete stuffs
Dec 06 19:27:39 <Workenhaven> so it's a text IDE?
Dec 06 19:27:56 <Workenhaven> arachnophila will do that for windows
Dec 06 19:27:57 <halfhalo> yes
Dec 06 19:28:09 <Workenhaven> and it works for linux now too, i think they went from c++ to java a while ago
Dec 06 19:28:35 <halfhalo> its like that, but better
Dec 06 19:28:53 <halfhalo> AKA not java based
Dec 06 19:29:18 * hotdp dont like apple sauce
Dec 06 19:29:31 <Workenhaven> i don't like hipsters
Dec 06 19:29:39 <Workenhaven> so if hipsters like something, i don't
Dec 06 19:29:40 * hotdp thinks it costs to much
Dec 06 19:29:43 <Workenhaven> that too
Dec 06 19:30:18 <Workenhaven> the apple sauce is just like the microsoft koolaid
Dec 06 19:30:24 <halfhalo> textmate is one of those things that I paid for purely because I felt it deserved it
Dec 06 19:32:40 <alexfner> apple and Microsoft products are a world of different
Dec 06 19:32:57 <alexfner> just sayin
Dec 06 19:33:17 <halfhalo> your right, apple charges you out the ass for it up front, while ms does it over time
Dec 06 19:33:48 <alexfner> thats exactly what i was getting at
Dec 06 19:33:49 <Loudergood> yeah, they really killed me with that service pack
Dec 06 19:34:00 <alexfner> oilsworkn: hows homebrew coming?
Dec 06 19:34:40 <oilsworkn> pretty good
Dec 06 19:35:04 <Workenhaven> i brewed yesterday :)
Dec 06 19:35:05 <Workenhaven> a porter
Dec 06 19:35:13 <alexfner> was inspecta?
Dec 06 19:38:08 <alexfner> snow snow snow
Dec 06 19:38:19 <halfhalo> pie
Dec 06 19:38:39 <oilsworkn> the office ladies are putting up christmas decorations
Dec 06 19:39:43 * halfhalo doesn't have office ladies... or ladies in the office
Dec 06 19:39:54 <alexfner> office ladles?
Dec 06 19:40:06 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 19:40:12 <Workenhaven> cept for IT
Dec 06 19:40:17 <Workenhaven> almost everyone who works here is female
Dec 06 19:40:42 <alexfner> on the internet?
Dec 06 19:40:46 * halfhalo works in IT
Dec 06 19:40:48 <oilsworkn> yeah, office ladies
Dec 06 19:40:59 <oilsworkn> there is two of them in the main area who answer phones/do misc stuff
Dec 06 19:41:13 <Workenhaven> are*
Dec 06 19:41:23 <oilsworkn> nope, they is there
Dec 06 19:41:36 * halfhalo has a phone he never answers
Dec 06 19:41:43 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 19:41:52 <Workenhaven> the only people who call my cube phone are telemarketers
Dec 06 19:42:34 <Workenhaven> "blablabla IT department wolvenhaven speaking"
Dec 06 19:42:48 <Workenhaven> [AUTOMATED VOICE]"Hello, this is call for ____"
Dec 06 19:42:55 * Workenhaven hangs up*
Dec 06 19:43:08 * halfhalo answers his phone "Dominoes!"
Dec 06 19:43:13 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 19:43:17 <oilsworkn> people call, and im like "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Dec 06 19:43:19 <halfhalo> well, the one time I did answer it
Dec 06 19:43:24 <Workenhaven> haha
Dec 06 19:43:28 <halfhalo> I no longer know the extension number of the phone
Dec 06 19:43:41 <Workenhaven> we don't do IT for the building, that's a different group, my entire group is all coders
Dec 06 19:43:48 <alexfner> anyone here ever written stuff in lua?
Dec 06 19:44:04 <Workenhaven> only scripting stuff for vidjagames which used lua for automation
Dec 06 19:44:14 <Workenhaven> and that was more like basic than anything else
Dec 06 19:44:16 <oilsworkn> the company i work for is small
Dec 06 19:44:18 * halfhalo is only webdev in his dept
Dec 06 19:44:24 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 19:44:25 <oilsworkn> we do the programming and the support
Dec 06 19:44:35 <oilsworkn> really, we do whatever anyone else cant figure out
Dec 06 19:44:37 <Workenhaven> we have 4 coders including me
Dec 06 19:44:43 * oilsworkn has setup a number of cellhpones for owners
Dec 06 19:44:53 <oilsworkn> and its a family company
Dec 06 19:44:53 <Workenhaven> and 2 business analysts
Dec 06 19:44:59 <oilsworkn> so anyone with that last name is basically my boss
Dec 06 19:45:03 <alexfner> ah, was talking to this guy recently who wanted me to learn lua, was interested in thoughts on it
Dec 06 19:45:07 <Workenhaven> ah, i wok fo da stayt gubment
Dec 06 19:45:50 <alexfner> oilsworkn:  where ya located?
Dec 06 19:45:56 * halfhalo technically works for the state govt as well
Dec 06 19:46:13 <oilsworkn> washington state
Dec 06 19:46:27 <halfhalo> I feel sorry for you
Dec 06 19:46:30 <alexfner> mind if I drop bye around 3pm for a party?
Dec 06 19:46:37 <alexfner> by*
Dec 06 19:46:43 <Workenhaven> georgia
Dec 06 19:46:46 * oilsworkn would still be at work
Dec 06 19:46:51 <oilsworkn> but i get off at 4 if you wanna party
Dec 06 19:46:51 <Workenhaven> oh
Dec 06 19:46:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 19:46:55 <Workenhaven> didn't see that :P
Dec 06 19:46:57 <Workenhaven> nvmd me
Dec 06 19:47:01 * halfhalo works for CSUN
Dec 06 19:47:05 <alexfner> EVERYONE's invited to oilsworkn 's party at his work!
Dec 06 19:47:08 <alexfner> 3Pm!
Dec 06 19:47:09 <Workenhaven> haha
Dec 06 19:47:14 <Workenhaven> deal
Dec 06 19:47:16 <alexfner> bring the pizza, the popcorn, the feta cheese!
Dec 06 19:47:42 <oilsworkn> the ladies in the front office wouldn't know wtf to do if random folk showed up for a party
Dec 06 19:47:47 <Workenhaven> haha
Dec 06 19:47:50 <Workenhaven> i'll bring the beer
Dec 06 19:47:57 <Workenhaven> i got about 10 gallons of the stuff ready to go
Dec 06 19:48:01 <Workenhaven> pumpkin and christmas ales
Dec 06 19:48:12 <halfhalo>  lulz
Dec 06 19:48:25 * halfhalo is totally playing the ps3 at work over break
Dec 06 19:48:56 <Workenhaven> we have a corner of the office
Dec 06 19:49:05 <Workenhaven> where the cubes don't butt up against the wall
Dec 06 19:49:07 <halfhalo> OH GOD ONLIVE IPAD IM SCREWED
Dec 06 19:49:13 <Workenhaven> and it's like a 10ft by 3ft wide area
Dec 06 19:49:24 <Workenhaven> we store spare stuff there right now
Dec 06 19:49:27 <Workenhaven> i want to put a cot over there
Dec 06 19:49:32 <Workenhaven> and get an after-lunch nap in
Dec 06 19:49:35 <Workenhaven> no one would ever find me :P
Dec 06 19:49:38 <hotdp> Have someone "worked" with textassitiant ?
Dec 06 19:49:59 <oilsworkn> worked, like how?
Dec 06 19:50:03 * oilsworkn has added his own words to it
Dec 06 19:50:10 <oilsworkn> so it would stop turning wirc into wire
Dec 06 19:50:12 <oilsworkn> and wifi into wife
Dec 06 19:51:29 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 06 19:51:31 <hotdp> via code or interface?
Dec 06 19:52:02 <oilsworkn> interface
Dec 06 19:52:06 <oilsworkn> well, inside an app
Dec 06 19:52:13 <oilsworkn> you hit the little "+word"
Dec 06 19:52:17 <oilsworkn> after it fixes it
Dec 06 19:52:23 <halfhalo> lulz
Dec 06 19:52:25 <oilsworkn> then it goes back and adds your word
Dec 06 19:52:34 <hotdp> ok
Dec 06 19:55:23 * halfhalo is laughing at this retarted email about a virtual world in class
Dec 06 19:56:03 <Workenhaven> woot
Dec 06 19:56:07 <Workenhaven> just got a telemarketer call
Dec 06 19:56:59 <halfhalo> And I quote:
Dec 06 19:56:59 <halfhalo> WHY ATTEND? The founder, David Post, has launched industries in the past. Created the leading brand in paging/messaging (Page America), the first major cellular operator (CSI), the first inflight passenger telephone service (Sky-Tel) and more. Can he do it again? You decide. You will meet gaming experts and real world and virtual celebrities. Best of all you can try the game and see if it is “the future of entertainment”.
Dec 06 19:57:22 <Workenhaven> wtf is virtual world?
Dec 06 19:57:28 <Workenhaven> sounds like a second life clone
Dec 06 19:57:55 <halfhalo> it is
Dec 06 19:57:58 <halfhalo> but 3d
Dec 06 19:58:00 <Workenhaven> ah
Dec 06 19:58:05 <Workenhaven> well minecraft is better
Dec 06 19:58:14 <oilsworkn> srsly
Dec 06 19:58:16 <halfhalo> but on the other hand: "Wine and cheese + gifts to take home"
Dec 06 19:58:18 <oilsworkn> they can't beat minecraft
Dec 06 19:58:25 <oilsworkn> its impossible
Dec 06 19:58:43 <halfhalo> Next Island
Dec 06 19:59:02 <Workenhaven> minecraft is such a dumb and pointless game
Dec 06 19:59:07 <Workenhaven> but it's legos for adults
Dec 06 19:59:08 <oilsworkn> O.O
Dec 06 19:59:11 <Workenhaven> and that makes it amazingly awesome
Dec 06 19:59:13 <Workenhaven> i love it
Dec 06 19:59:15 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 06 19:59:25 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 19:59:52 <Workenhaven> some of the public servers have such amazing stuff
Dec 06 19:59:59 <Workenhaven> like 7 wonders of the world
Dec 06 20:00:06 <Workenhaven> or recreating entire countries/cities
Dec 06 20:00:10 <Workenhaven> or amusement parts
Dec 06 20:00:14 <Workenhaven> parks*
Dec 06 20:00:41 <halfhalo> The crappyness of the concept makes  me not want to go to the press event
Dec 06 20:01:23 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 20:01:27 <Workenhaven> you get free stuff?
Dec 06 20:01:34 <halfhalo> I get lotsa free stuff
Dec 06 20:01:37 <Workenhaven> go
Dec 06 20:01:43 <Workenhaven> on the off chance that it becomes a huge success
Dec 06 20:01:49 <halfhalo> no?
Dec 06 20:01:53 <halfhalo> Its in LA on friday
Dec 06 20:01:56 <halfhalo> I don't wanna
Dec 06 20:02:01 <Workenhaven> the free stuff will be worth tons
Dec 06 20:02:07 <Workenhaven> if you get stuff with the logo on it
Dec 06 20:02:14 <halfhalo> bah
Dec 06 20:02:16 <Workenhaven> and it becomes awesome, you can ebay the stuff for tons
Dec 06 20:02:21 * halfhalo hearts his bethesda jacket
Dec 06 20:02:23 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 20:02:42 <Workenhaven> my dad dumped his entire oracle/sun/java wardrobe on me
Dec 06 20:02:52 <Workenhaven> they give out so much shit at conferences
Dec 06 20:02:53 <alexfner> that's a wardrobe?
Dec 06 20:03:09 <Workenhaven> hell, i'm wearing a sun microsystems shirt right now
Dec 06 20:03:12 <alexfner> must be full of moths and other bugs
Dec 06 20:03:15 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 20:03:35 <Workenhaven> got laptop bags, coats, jackets, other shirts, and all kinds of crap from oracle/sun
Dec 06 20:03:47 * halfhalo got losta crap from E3
Dec 06 20:03:58 <Workenhaven> got a letter jacket with java on the back that's worth like $400
Dec 06 20:04:24 <alexfner> halfhalo: where does you works for?
Dec 06 20:04:32 <halfhalo> CSUN
Dec 06 20:04:54 <alexfner> hmm
Dec 06 20:04:56 <alexfner> curious
Dec 06 20:05:11 <Workenhaven> counter-strike-united-nations?
Dec 06 20:05:22 <halfhalo> possibly
Dec 06 20:06:15 <alexfner> it's actually a consortium, called Can Sun Use NoSQL?
Dec 06 20:06:23 <alexfner> but the consortium is dieing with the end of SUN
Dec 06 20:06:36 <alexfner> not to mention it only ever had 3 members
Dec 06 20:06:43 <alexfner> halfhalo being one of the three
Dec 06 20:06:46 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 20:07:03 <Workenhaven> this whole oracle apache (other people) fight thing is annoying
Dec 06 20:07:08 <Workenhaven> i don't want to have to learn a new language
Dec 06 20:07:13 * halfhalo no likes apache
Dec 06 20:07:32 <Workenhaven> it's going to wind up where java is going to get dropped
Dec 06 20:07:36 <Workenhaven> as much as i hate java, i know it
Dec 06 20:07:51 <halfhalo> its ok, java sucks
Dec 06 20:07:53 <Workenhaven> and i'll wind up having to learn like mobileGo
Dec 06 20:08:02 <Workenhaven> or something
Dec 06 20:08:21 <halfhalo> haha
Dec 06 20:08:34 <Workenhaven> i'm willing to bet if they drop java
Dec 06 20:08:37 <Workenhaven> they'll wind up using Go
Dec 06 20:08:43 <Workenhaven> or some version of it
Dec 06 20:09:42 <alexfner> my palm pre is going to hell
Dec 06 20:09:50 <alexfner> I think it might be time to make da switch guys!
Dec 06 20:10:08 <Workenhaven> get a plus
Dec 06 20:10:19 <alexfner> well my choices are limited to sprint
Dec 06 20:10:22 <Workenhaven> ah
Dec 06 20:10:23 <Workenhaven> hmm
Dec 06 20:10:30 <alexfner> and if I was going to move ot another carrier, I probably wouldn't get a pre
Dec 06 20:10:33 <Workenhaven> i'm on ATT, so i have 0 choices of droids
Dec 06 20:10:57 <alexfner> I don't think I should walk in to my first day at Apple with a shiny new android phone
Dec 06 20:11:04 <alexfner> so I'm really at an impasse here
Dec 06 20:11:08 <Workenhaven> hmm
Dec 06 20:11:15 <Workenhaven> get the simplePhone :P
Dec 06 20:11:23 <alexfner> heh
Dec 06 20:11:25 <Workenhaven> they charge just as much for it as a full phone
Dec 06 20:11:41 <Workenhaven> yet it only had 11 buttons
Dec 06 20:11:42 <alexfner> the slider on the pre will randomly get suck and either not close/open
Dec 06 20:11:53 <alexfner> maybe I'll just see if they can issue me another pre
Dec 06 20:12:04 <alexfner> (not to mention all the cracking and chipping in the plastic)
Dec 06 20:12:09 <Workenhaven> ah
Dec 06 20:12:13 <Workenhaven> i put mine in a case
Dec 06 20:12:17 <Workenhaven> i haven't busted anything yet
Dec 06 20:12:27 <alexfner> I bought a case, but it didn't stay on the pre
Dec 06 20:12:30 <Workenhaven> just a tiny scratch on the gesture pad
Dec 06 20:12:36 <alexfner> it was one of the hard ones
Dec 06 20:12:36 <Workenhaven> yea, my case is finnicky
Dec 06 20:12:39 <Workenhaven> yep, same
Dec 06 20:12:58 <Workenhaven> the hard case designed for the charging puck
Dec 06 20:13:30 <alexfner> iPhone 4! ... maybe ...
Dec 06 20:13:43 <alexfner> don't really want to pay for it tho :)
Dec 06 20:14:10 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 20:14:22 <Workenhaven> a friend of mine would suck job's cock if he offered
Dec 06 20:14:26 <halfhalo> employee discount
Dec 06 20:14:30 <Workenhaven> and he was going on and on about how epic the iphone 4 is
Dec 06 20:14:34 <Workenhaven> until they came out
Dec 06 20:14:35 <Workenhaven> and he got one
Dec 06 20:14:46 <Workenhaven> and it sucked, and all the stuff started coming out about the issues it has
Dec 06 20:14:53 <Workenhaven> i spent a solid month rubbing it in every single day
Dec 06 20:15:13 * halfhalo hates crapdroid
Dec 06 20:15:25 <Workenhaven> i at least admit when what i use has issues/problems
Dec 06 20:15:38 <Workenhaven> instead of having cognative dissonance about it
Dec 06 20:16:10 <alexfner> yeah it's odd, people hold really strong opinions about companies where it may not make sense
Dec 06 20:16:14 <alexfner> but that doesn't mean the product is crap
Dec 06 20:16:34 <alexfner> and to be fair, I think the iPhone 4 antennagate issue was mostly a media created phenomenon
Dec 06 20:16:51 <Workenhaven> well, it was a dumb design anyway
Dec 06 20:17:00 <alexfner> I can't speak to that
Dec 06 20:17:06 <alexfner> and I won't
Dec 06 20:17:09 <Workenhaven> exposed antennas
Dec 06 20:17:33 <Workenhaven> and the screen cracking thing
Dec 06 20:17:35 <alexfner> I don't really know too much about antenna design
Dec 06 20:17:39 <Workenhaven> it was supposed to be uber strong
Dec 06 20:17:45 <Workenhaven> and wasn't really
Dec 06 20:17:52 <alexfner> Workenhaven: yeah but the pre had it's issues as well, remember sliders breaking completely?
Dec 06 20:17:57 <Workenhaven> well yea
Dec 06 20:18:02 <Workenhaven> but we admit to it being broken
Dec 06 20:18:08 <alexfner> Workenhaven: and it's a ceramic, so it is incredibly strong, but it doesn't deal well with impact
Dec 06 20:18:11 <Workenhaven> instead of coming up with increasingly insane excuses
Dec 06 20:18:25 <Workenhaven> if my phone breaks, or my computer breaks, or my car breaks
Dec 06 20:18:39 <Workenhaven> i'll go "yea i fucked something up" or "i knew it had that build fault"
Dec 06 20:18:47 <alexfner> Workenhaven: no, what I'm saying is that every product will have a small batch of failures/anomolies, but that doesn't make a product crap
Dec 06 20:19:32 <Workenhaven> and i'm saying that apple fanboys claim it's 100% perfect
Dec 06 20:19:32 <alexfner> Workenhaven: and to be fair, I didnt read about ANY iPhone users going to their 4th or 5th phone, where I had read (and experienced myself) having to get my phone replaced multiple times
Dec 06 20:19:34 <Workenhaven> and it's stupid
Dec 06 20:19:40 <Workenhaven> lol
Dec 06 20:19:51 <Workenhaven> i went through like 7 palm treo 600s
Dec 06 20:19:54 <alexfner> Workenhaven: well again, I'm not the apple fanboi, so I can't speak for them
Dec 06 20:19:58 <Workenhaven> awesome phone
Dec 06 20:20:03 <Workenhaven> had SO many issues
Dec 06 20:24:23 <alexfner> hah this is rather amusing
Dec 06 20:24:25 <alexfner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL4acUz4nJw
Dec 06 20:24:30 <alexfner> nice job konami
Dec 06 20:30:15 <alexfner> well this is the most bizarre thing I've read all day
Dec 06 20:30:20 <alexfner> I'm looking at you, Californians
Dec 06 20:30:23 <alexfner> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_re_us/us_explosive_house
Dec 06 20:31:07 <halfhalo> hehehe...
Dec 06 20:41:59 * pandora-- waves
Dec 06 20:45:12 <halfhalo> lies
Dec 06 20:52:17 <destinal> alexfner: looks like the physics on the car-on-car action is pretty decent. seems like it could happen in real life but  like the game, it would be extremely unlikely to happen and even more unlikely to be on the right center of gravity to balance
Dec 06 20:53:11 <alexfner> destinal: haha
Dec 06 20:53:29 <destinal> probably in real life either car would swerve and decouple on purpose
Dec 06 20:53:45 <destinal> racing around a track with a car on your roof sounds like a good way to lose :)
Dec 06 20:54:00 <halfhalo> not if you cheat
Dec 06 20:54:30 <destinal> see it was actually heavier and thus slower
Dec 06 20:55:14 <destinal> halfhalo: where's the cheat code for racing in the real world?  I want
Dec 06 20:55:16 <halfhalo> ok, decision time..
Dec 06 20:55:23 <halfhalo> sony vs moto press conference
Dec 06 20:56:14 <halfhalo> their back to back so really can only make one
Dec 06 20:57:39 <nyceane> hey guys
Dec 06 20:57:49 <halfhalo> moto's going to have some new slightly higher spec phone or whatever, but I think sony will have the psphone
Dec 06 20:58:00 <alexfner> yeah just go with sony
Dec 06 20:58:05 <alexfner> it's what makes sense
Dec 06 20:58:53 <halfhalo> Yeah... plus, moto is taking their time getting back to me
Dec 06 20:59:22 * halfhalo is also angling towards things with food
Dec 06 21:02:35 <halfhalo> See, If I see an email saying snacks are provided, boom, I'm there
Dec 06 21:04:13 <Brian__> Hey, is anyone else getting 'Your application must be available for one full month before report data can be displayed.' when you try and access reports on the dev site?
Dec 06 21:05:58 * oil hasn't had a new app in the catalog for like a year
Dec 06 21:06:09 <dawm> yeah its broke
Dec 06 21:06:17 <dawm> mine only shows august to nov 2009
Dec 06 21:06:29 <dawm> chuqui, ping, ever get to my email?
Dec 06 21:07:13 * halfhalo blames the govn't
Dec 06 21:08:21 <chuqui> dawm: about what?
Dec 06 21:08:30 <dawm> my october revenue payment problem
Dec 06 21:15:23 <sugardave> Brian__: looks like app sales reports are fubar'ed....which blows because I need to see actual units moved last month so I can send money to the API owner
Dec 06 21:17:42 <halfhalo> fake it
Dec 06 21:18:24 <sugardave> I think I gave him an estimate already, I'll just go with that
Dec 06 21:18:46 <halfhalo> that works
Dec 06 21:19:11 <dawm> i didnt even get paid properly or fully for last month
Dec 06 21:19:22 * halfhalo has gotten paid... once
Dec 06 21:19:24 <dawm> but since the sales reports are down i cant even back that up
Dec 06 21:19:47 <halfhalo> which was a shock since I didn't think SFP sold anything
Dec 06 21:19:52 <dawm> http://www.mobileburn.com/imagepop.jsp?Id=11953&file=media%2Fconsumerreports%2Fthumb_consumer_reports_carriers_2010.jpg
Dec 06 21:20:07 * halfhalo is debating seeing the hoover damn
Dec 06 21:20:14 <sugardave> it's big
Dec 06 21:20:17 <sugardave> really huge
Dec 06 21:20:21 <halfhalo> I bet
Dec 06 21:20:29 <halfhalo> Last time I was in vegas I was like 8
Dec 06 21:20:48 <halfhalo> and got kicked out of the MGM grands casino, but thats beside the point
Dec 06 21:21:23 <sugardave> won too much?
Dec 06 21:21:32 <halfhalo> Well, I was 8
Dec 06 21:21:40 <halfhalo> my dad let me pull the slot machine
Dec 06 21:21:44 <sugardave> ooops
Dec 06 21:22:00 <halfhalo> and I won 10 bucks, but got kicked out and had to go up to the game room to blow it all
Dec 06 21:22:20 <halfhalo> Meh, not a gambler anyways
Dec 06 21:23:11 <halfhalo> in other news: http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&HTMLVersion=4.0&sort_by=status&InquiryNumber1=1Z9A99V10366900235 WOOHOO!
Dec 06 21:23:17 <sugardave> I like to play blackjack and video poker
Dec 06 21:24:41 * halfhalo just registered for the msi thinger
Dec 06 21:25:22 <alexfner> halfhalo: gonna go on a trip to CES and stop by the hoover dam on the way?
Dec 06 21:25:31 <halfhalo> yeah
Dec 06 21:25:35 <halfhalo> Maybe
Dec 06 21:25:40 <sugardave> when is CES?
Dec 06 21:25:43 <halfhalo> well, ces is a yes, the rest is a maybe
Dec 06 21:25:48 <halfhalo> 5-10 of Jan
Dec 06 21:26:21 <halfhalo> hoover dam depends when I get there on the 4th since the MSI thing is at 7pm
Dec 06 21:32:04 <alexfner> my roomate made me yerbe mate
Dec 06 21:32:10 <alexfner> and some how there is jelly all over the cup
Dec 06 21:32:16 <alexfner> but we don't own jelly 0_0
Dec 06 21:34:07 <nyceane> Will palm have a booth at CES?
Dec 06 21:34:37 <alexfner> palm stalker... err .. pre central says there will be a meeting room
Dec 06 22:01:18 <leiru> funkatron: would be glad if you could send me the URL to the slides of your app-catlogue users are "stupid"-talk
Dec 06 22:01:43 <funkatron> http://j.mp/usersareassholes
Dec 06 22:01:52 <leiru> thx alot
Dec 06 22:02:11 <oilsworkn> haha
Dec 06 22:02:32 <oilsworkn> that knowledge required a talk?
Dec 06 22:02:35 <oilsworkn> it wasn't a given?
Dec 06 22:03:00 <halfhalo> Well, I mean.... err... what?
Dec 06 22:03:31 <leiru> i just ate my meal with a iphone working mate, he's just sleeping in his free-time. i am coding open source in my free-time.
Dec 06 22:03:36 <leiru> he behaved like an asshole.
Dec 06 22:04:33 <jkovacs> lol @ slides
Dec 06 22:04:43 <leiru> sorry, erm, don't know if i just used swearwords i shall not say in an american channel.
Dec 06 22:05:09 <leiru> i think i shall not.
Dec 06 22:08:14 <halfhalo> HAHAHAHAHAHA
Dec 06 22:09:00 <torchie> I'm
Dec 06 22:09:02 <torchie> sailing
Dec 06 22:09:04 <torchie> awayyyyyyy
Dec 06 22:09:10 <halfhalo> yay!
Dec 06 22:09:14 <halfhalo> wait, what?
Dec 06 22:09:21 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 22:09:46 <halfhalo> God, Iove moto's press response to my emails
Dec 06 22:09:59 <halfhalo> "You have been added to the list"
Dec 06 22:10:04 <sugardave> hahaha
Dec 06 22:10:09 <sugardave> dundundun
Dec 06 22:10:22 <halfhalo> I feel like my computer is going to say "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE"
Dec 06 22:11:36 <halfhalo> But with all the other emails from other places their all nice and happy and have an abundance of !'s and ?'s
Dec 06 22:11:48 <torchie> so the nexus S is kind of derp
Dec 06 22:12:05 * sugardave kicks the tires on PhoneGap.
Dec 06 22:12:50 <oilsworkn> * tire falls off
Dec 06 22:13:13 * halfhalo will sell a spare for 99 bucks
Dec 06 22:20:43 <sugardave> meh, screw it...will wait for Enyo
Dec 06 22:20:50 <oilsworkn> yay
Dec 06 22:20:56 <halfhalo> *High Five*
Dec 06 22:20:56 <sugardave> heh
Dec 06 22:21:43 <oilsworkn> then help oil with the monumental task of converting all the webosinternals apps from mojo to enyo
Dec 06 22:21:56 <halfhalo> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dec 06 22:22:35 <halfhalo> heh..
Dec 06 22:22:37 <halfhalo> heheh
Dec 06 22:23:05 <sugardave> oilsworkn: omg, that is just asking for trouble
Dec 06 22:23:29 <sugardave> but hey, that might be good practice :D
Dec 06 22:23:35 <oilsworkn> asking for help == asking for trouble?
Dec 06 22:23:41 <oilsworkn> i suppose so
Dec 06 22:23:50 * halfhalo waits for the inevitable "OH GOD IT BURNS" moment
Dec 06 22:26:33 <codeslaw_> depends who you ask.
Dec 06 22:26:52 <oilsworkn> true
Dec 06 22:27:15 * halfhalo votes not asking halfhalo
Dec 06 22:27:17 <sugardave> that's what I was getting at....I can "help"
Dec 06 22:27:43 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 22:28:05 <oilsworkn> well, maybe when we see how to actually build our own components (instead of just using them) it will be easier
Dec 06 22:28:45 <sugardave> yeah, that's the killer for me right now.  I realized if I don't include mojo.js, then I have to figure out how to make everything
Dec 06 22:29:34 <oilsworkn> i assume they'll ship with whatever components they use to redo the stock apps
Dec 06 22:29:51 <oilsworkn> like a commandmenu-type widget, headers, lists, inputs, etc
Dec 06 22:30:01 <sugardave> yeah, a stock group would be helpful
Dec 06 22:32:42 <leiru> i'm really angry about our apple devs..
Dec 06 22:32:59 * Tibfib hopes the functionality of the lists widgets remain
Dec 06 22:33:06 <Tibfib> they are pretty nice..
Dec 06 22:33:21 <Tibfib> once you get to know them anyway..
Dec 06 22:34:16 <leiru> i just ignored their fanatism till now, since their dev lead attacked me personally.
Dec 06 22:34:37 <halfhalo> beat him with a stick
Dec 06 22:36:21 * oilsworkn will definitely rewrite the webosinternals apps to share more code
Dec 06 22:36:21 <leiru> halfhalo: these brains are in hype-contamined-atmosphers... webos devs or normal devs that stayed @ the ground are no criterion.
Dec 06 22:36:57 <halfhalo> shared code shmared code
Dec 06 22:38:48 <leiru> halfhalo: everybody wants iphone apps now and talks about iphone and ipad. in some way i think it's normal influence, that these people/coders are going mad.
Dec 06 22:39:09 * halfhalo still votes very large stick
Dec 06 22:39:17 <leiru> and from one day to another, they think they are better humans.
Dec 06 22:39:35 <oilsworkn> they are better humans
Dec 06 22:39:39 <oilsworkn> they use apple products
Dec 06 22:39:42 <oilsworkn> xD
Dec 06 22:39:43 <leiru> :D
Dec 06 22:39:45 <sugardave> they all drive hybrids and use apple
Dec 06 22:39:46 <sugardave> yeah
Dec 06 22:39:56 <sugardave> and their shit don't stink
Dec 06 22:40:00 <oilsworkn> and wear black turtlenecks
Dec 06 22:40:05 * halfhalo uses apples but doesn't drive a hybrid
Dec 06 22:40:39 * halfhalo drives an suv that gets... 12MPG
Dec 06 22:41:45 <oilsworkn> leiru: just tell them they're holding it wrong
Dec 06 22:42:32 <leiru> i think, when cellar-coders get alot of attention, they're going mad, maybe this happens with us, in few months.
Dec 06 22:42:54 <leiru> oilsworkn: haha.
Dec 06 22:43:52 <oilsworkn> next time you show something to them, be all "we think you're really going to love this"
Dec 06 22:44:03 <sugardave> heh
Dec 06 22:44:16 <oilsworkn> use the reality distortion field against them
Dec 06 22:45:00 * halfhalo would keep a bag of bricks on his desk
Dec 06 22:46:41 * oilsworkn 's desk has no drawers
Dec 06 22:46:50 <oilsworkn> and by desk, i mean, plank attached to the wall
Dec 06 22:46:55 <sugardave> need a webOS soundboard with "I don't care" on it
Dec 06 22:47:00 <halfhalo> nothing stops an argument like a good ole concussion
Dec 06 22:47:07 * halfhalo has rolly file cabinets
Dec 06 22:47:13 <oilsworkn> people always come in and comment on how messy my office is
Dec 06 22:47:20 <halfhalo> you should fix that
Dec 06 22:47:24 <oilsworkn> and im like "imagine if i had drawers, and could put all that into them"
Dec 06 22:48:49 <halfhalo> or zip ties
Dec 06 22:52:57 <leiru> then, ppl coming into your room, are ain't not developers :D
Dec 06 22:53:42 <leiru> and, they are having alot of time, to arrange their desktops
Dec 06 22:53:43 <oilsworkn> yeah, they're not
Dec 06 22:53:46 <leiru> and using this time.
Dec 06 22:53:47 <oilsworkn> they're business people
Dec 06 22:53:52 * oilsworkn agrees
Dec 06 22:53:59 <oilsworkn> "do you want me to get this done? or clean my desk?
Dec 06 22:54:02 <oilsworkn> "i can't do both"
Dec 06 22:54:03 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 06 22:54:16 * halfhalo doesn't deal with people
Dec 06 22:54:29 <halfhalo> Except through redmine where I yell at them "CLOSE THE DAMN TICKET!!!"
Dec 06 22:54:39 <leiru> lolol
Dec 06 22:54:48 * oilsworkn only deals with other employees, thankfully not customers
Dec 06 22:55:51 <leiru> me too, but wishes of employees, after the project finished, often change the architecture of the whole service.
Dec 06 22:56:16 <leiru> but htese wishes comes from other companies, that are nt into mobile.
Dec 06 22:56:29 <leiru> or even development
Dec 06 22:56:58 <maik> holy shit, someone's requested a pirated copy of my stupid webos Emergency Lights app: http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?t=151793&p=680745
Dec 06 22:57:01 <maik> i'm pretty sure that means i'm a successful developer
Dec 06 22:57:10 <oilsworkn> haha
Dec 06 22:57:13 <oilsworkn> way to go maik!
Dec 06 22:57:34 <oilsworkn> should upload it yourself and take those $20 warez bucks to the bank!
Dec 06 22:57:42 <maik> i'm definitely going
Dec 06 22:57:55 <maik> though i'm debating putting up a malicious copy
Dec 06 22:58:02 <maik> i just don't know how to make it malicious :D
Dec 06 22:58:06 <leiru> they aks things like " just could you change this _easily_...", and i am the guy that will change whole service that was invented as in another concept
Dec 06 22:58:19 <halfhalo> report the ip and nuid to a central server
Dec 06 22:59:02 <maik> hmm
Dec 06 22:59:12 <maik> maybe give it the ability to execute arbitrary code
Dec 06 23:01:09 <leiru> just do not sanitize.
Dec 06 23:01:15 <nyceane> codeslaw, are you here?
Dec 06 23:01:17 <leiru> and let it calling a feed.
Dec 06 23:01:19 <leiru> ;)
Dec 06 23:01:34 <leiru> i know, i'm evil one. :)
Dec 06 23:01:45 <leiru> okay, one cig more, then bed.
Dec 06 23:04:02 * maik thinks nasty thoughts
Dec 06 23:04:24 * halfhalo still says set up a central repo of bad nuids
Dec 06 23:04:51 <leiru> i dont want to be a black hatted man
Dec 06 23:04:52 <maik> ya, i think that's a given.  just trying to figure out what else
Dec 06 23:05:10 <maik> maybe just have it pull in a remote js and eval() it
Dec 06 23:05:41 <halfhalo> do nothing else, wait for it to gather some bad nuids, then later on down the line do stuffs
Dec 06 23:06:17 <haeffb_> precentrals' new popup adds are annoying the shit out of me.
Dec 06 23:06:34 <halfhalo> Hence why I never go to P|C
Dec 06 23:06:58 <maik> but if i don't give it the ability to do anything else, there's nothing else to do.  it won't update itself and i doubt i'll ever release another version of it
Dec 06 23:06:58 * haeffb_ took the cheap way out and uses their forums for support.
Dec 06 23:07:19 <SineOt> So what was this talk about the virtual keyboard replacing the quick wave? :C
Dec 06 23:07:24 <halfhalo> give it the ability, but don't use it yet
Dec 06 23:07:51 <oilsworkn> yeah, you swipe up like that and it opens the keyboard popup
Dec 06 23:07:58 <oilsworkn> (and makes popup ding-dong sound)
Dec 06 23:08:08 <leiru> a intresting thread in my opionion: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=9907
Dec 06 23:08:09 <SineOt> so the quick wave is dead?
Dec 06 23:08:17 <leiru> (build my own app store, whoa)
Dec 06 23:08:26 * oilsworkn has no problem with precentral
Dec 06 23:08:27 <leiru> maybe just with pr0n apps ;)
Dec 06 23:08:28 <SineOt> I basically live on the quick wave P:
Dec 06 23:08:32 <maik> what is quick wave?
Dec 06 23:08:36 <maik> oh that
Dec 06 23:08:43 <oilsworkn> their users got together and donated $8k+ to us :)
Dec 06 23:08:43 <SineOt> center tap and slowly drag up, shows the wave with your apps
Dec 06 23:08:59 <SineOt> I hide the launch bar because it's ugly and I never need it anyways
Dec 06 23:09:23 <sugardave> maik: var newFunc = new function(stringToEval);  // might keep them from spotting it ;)
Dec 06 23:09:25 <rwhitby> leiru: heh, someone is asking Palm how to create a new feed for Preware ?
Dec 06 23:09:40 * halfhalo luled at that
Dec 06 23:09:43 <oilsworkn> more preware feeds++
Dec 06 23:09:47 <sugardave> heh
Dec 06 23:09:55 <maik> heh, comment
Dec 06 23:10:06 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: I should just point him to the chinese dudes
Dec 06 23:10:25 <leiru> rwhitby: that's the thing i love @ palm. they are honest and open minded.
Dec 06 23:10:32 <oilsworkn> or we should have someone like halfhalo write up directions on what all is needed for a preware feed
Dec 06 23:10:48 <halfhalo> ...
Dec 06 23:10:59 <oilsworkn> leiru: and unwiredben <3s us
Dec 06 23:11:16 <oilsworkn> showing off wirc (which is currently homebrew only) during his talk at devdays
Dec 06 23:11:35 <leiru> hrhr i read about that
Dec 06 23:12:26 <leiru> maybe, when i am bored of developing, i will try to start a palm-feed. but that will lasten looooooooong time.
Dec 06 23:12:27 <maik> sugardave: but how do i call newFunc?  i'd still have to pull in a JS right?
Dec 06 23:12:34 <Rick_work> Yes, it was very hard to act as a evangelist for WOSI when the PALM and HP people kept saying everything I was going to interject from the audiance FROM THE STAGE....
Dec 06 23:12:51 <leiru> maik: put it all in a scrambler, and you're done i think :D
Dec 06 23:12:52 <oilsworkn> there is wosi again xD
Dec 06 23:13:31 * halfhalo actually has most of the feed maker node code somewhere
Dec 06 23:13:33 <sugardave> maik: you just need the text somehow
Dec 06 23:13:39 <sugardave> and then:  newFUnc();
Dec 06 23:13:46 <sugardave> just as evil a eval
Dec 06 23:13:50 <oilsworkn> hey, its 3pm, where is alexfner and Workenhaven for this party?
Dec 06 23:14:19 <halfhalo> they died
Dec 06 23:14:23 <oilsworkn> ;(
Dec 06 23:14:24 <SineOt>  oh, hey sugardave. You fiddled any more with webkitTransitionEnd?
Dec 06 23:14:24 <sugardave> maik: my syntax is wrong, it's like this:
Dec 06 23:14:32 <SineOt> I've found one hella annoying bug with it XD
Dec 06 23:14:38 <sugardave> var newFunc = new Function(stringToEval);
Dec 06 23:14:38 <maik> i wonder if it would be more hidden if i put it in index.htlm
Dec 06 23:14:40 <maik> html*
Dec 06 23:14:41 <sugardave> capital F
Dec 06 23:15:14 <sugardave> SineOt: no, I've just got it working with what I needed it to do...whats' the bug?
Dec 06 23:15:25 <leiru> maik: when a person ass for a cpy of this app, do you think it will in any case read the source.
Dec 06 23:15:29 <leiru> ?
Dec 06 23:15:33 <leiru> *ass = asks
Dec 06 23:15:36 <maik> leiru: not in most cases, but some
Dec 06 23:15:43 <SineOt> if you're listening to a transition, it seems to basically stops most other javascript tasks from happening until the event fires :/
Dec 06 23:15:46 <halfhalo> Although the node code that I wrote to take packages files and make a Packages file had a few bugs... namely deleting itself
Dec 06 23:16:05 <leiru> hrhr
Dec 06 23:16:10 <leiru> okay guys have to go now.
Dec 06 23:16:11 <sugardave> SineOt: hmmm, I don't think that is happening to me
Dec 06 23:16:13 <SineOt> it's hard to explain, but I've noticed it with logging things-the logs won't post until the event fires for completion
Dec 06 23:16:14 <leiru> 0.07
Dec 06 23:16:24 <SineOt> hmmm... sugardave, mind if I PM you?
Dec 06 23:16:27 <sugardave> sure
Dec 06 23:16:49 <oilsworkn> NOOOO NOT A PM!!!!!!
Dec 06 23:17:15 <halfhalo> OH GOD THE HUMANITY!
Dec 06 23:18:47 <leiru> maik: would a warning of this copy, from a person that read the source, not even animate ppl to buy your app?
Dec 06 23:19:07 <leiru> just thinking...
Dec 06 23:20:41 <maik> leiru: it's a good point, but i doubt it.  most will probably assume that some asshole modified the code and re-released it
Dec 06 23:21:02 <maik> it's also not a big money maker for me, and if people want to pirate it and be stupid then that's their problem :)
Dec 06 23:21:18 <maik> if you buy it legitimately from the app store you won't see this problem
Dec 06 23:21:21 <leiru> and in the case, they would ignore it, don't know how the laws in your country are, would give you full access to their 2nd private home, their smartphone.
Dec 06 23:21:27 <leiru> could be a win.win.-situation
Dec 06 23:21:32 <maik> ya
Dec 06 23:22:08 <halfhalo> ok, another CES email relevant to phones... a meeting with ARM
Dec 06 23:24:37 <leiru> maik: and then? they would thinking a bad person modified the code... and then? getting antoher copy?
Dec 06 23:24:51 <leiru> or just let it be?
Dec 06 23:25:03 <maik> i don't know, like i said i don't care that much :)
Dec 06 23:25:36 <maik> probably wouldn't be a good idea to host the naughty js file on the same server that is listed as the support website
Dec 06 23:25:48 <leiru> i think they would load the malformed version, just to save the pence. but taht's therotical, and wouldn't be allwoed in my country.
Dec 06 23:26:47 <leiru> so it's just a brain bubble, but as you give me right real input, i can fill it with toughts. :)
Dec 06 23:41:19 <leiru> nite
Dec 06 23:41:55 <nyceane> ello
Dec 06 23:41:57 <nyceane> codeslaw
Dec 06 23:46:06 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 06 23:46:40 <sugardave> hi JenP
Dec 06 23:46:48 <JenP> hey sugardave
Dec 06 23:47:58 <oilsworkn> hio
Dec 06 23:48:04 <JenP> hi oil
Dec 06 23:49:58 <JenP> anyone have any idea why this wouldn't work?this.controller.get('txtCost').focus();
Dec 06 23:50:10 <JenP> i'm trying to return focus after a dialog box
Dec 06 23:52:07 <oilsworkn> umm
Dec 06 23:52:12 <oilsworkn> to what, a text widget?
Dec 06 23:52:18 <JenP> yeah
Dec 06 23:52:24 <oilsworkn> get('asdf').mojo.focus();?
Dec 06 23:52:41 <sugardave> don't forget the mojo! :D
Dec 06 23:52:50 <sugardave> Vive le Mojo
Dec 06 23:52:54 <JenP> ah kk i'll try that
Dec 06 23:54:45 <JenP> nope. i see it real quick then it just goes back to unfocussed
Dec 06 23:55:03 <oilsworkn> then something else is getting focus after you do it?
Dec 06 23:55:07 <oilsworkn> you need to do it later in the code?
Dec 06 23:55:16 <JenP> kk i'll look around
Dec 06 23:55:55 <sugardave> can start the scene with initialFocusedElement = null, then focus the one you want
Dec 06 23:56:37 * oilsworkn always initialFocusElement =null's
Dec 06 23:56:51 * sugardave always forgets about it.
Dec 06 23:57:04 <JenP> where would i put that?
Dec 06 23:57:10 <JenP> in the attributes?
Dec 06 23:57:18 * maik forks EmergencyLights and rubs his hands together mischievously
Dec 06 23:57:27 <halfhalo> hehehe
Dec 06 23:57:49 <oilsworkn> uh, in setup
Dec 06 23:58:02 <sugardave> hmm, I think you can pass it in pushScene?
Dec 06 23:58:28 * oilsworkn opens git to reference his own code
Dec 06 23:58:46 <halfhalo> bah, scm's!
Dec 06 23:59:02 <oilsworkn> this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null);
Dec 06 23:59:05 <oilsworkn> at the end of setup()
Dec 06 23:59:16 <sugardave> yeah, listen to oilsworkn :D
Dec 06 23:59:31 <oilsworkn> but that makes nothing focused
Dec 06 23:59:58 <JenP> so then set focus in activate?
Dec 07 00:00:06 * oilsworkn is unsure
Dec 07 00:00:09 <oilsworkn> try it out!
Dec 07 00:00:16 <sugardave> any time after the element is available
Dec 07 00:00:18 <sugardave> activate will work
Dec 07 00:00:19 <JenP> doing so right now
Dec 07 00:00:54 <sugardave> but it will always happen on activate, which may be annoying
Dec 07 00:01:00 <oilsworkn> sugardave is the pro
Dec 07 00:01:14 <sugardave> yeah, that's right
Dec 07 00:02:08 <JenP> nope
Dec 07 00:02:14 <sugardave> lameness
Dec 07 00:02:24 <sugardave> what else is in the scene?
Dec 07 00:02:42 <JenP> all text fields and two button
Dec 07 00:02:48 * oilsworkn has lost all faith in sugardave
Dec 07 00:02:55 <sugardave> :(
Dec 07 00:03:00 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 00:07:52 <JenP> ok well how about this one....   this.txtCostmodel.value = "";  shouldn't this change the value to null?
Dec 07 00:08:05 <sugardave> after a modelChanged, yeah
Dec 07 00:08:20 <JenP> ah that's what i forgot
Dec 07 00:08:24 <sugardave> heh
Dec 07 00:08:28 <sugardave> you always forget that :D
Dec 07 00:08:55 <JenP> (sw)
Dec 07 00:12:59 <maik> how do i get the device id?
Dec 07 00:13:44 <sugardave> maik: there's a service request for it
Dec 07 00:13:55 <maik> well that's not inconspicuous...
Dec 07 00:14:06 <JenP> Mojo.appInfo.id
Dec 07 00:14:19 <maik> doesn't that get the app id?
Dec 07 00:14:40 <halfhalo> mojo.deviceinfo.something
Dec 07 00:14:41 <JenP> oh damn...sorry read the wrong thing
Dec 07 00:14:43 <JenP> lol
Dec 07 00:14:51 <sugardave> new Mojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.preferences/systemProperties', { method:"Get", parameters:{"key": "com.palm.properties.nduid" } ...
Dec 07 00:15:30 <maik> thanks, dave
Dec 07 00:15:33 <sugardave> np
Dec 07 00:16:33 <maik> i think maybe i won't be malicious with it, just log it
Dec 07 00:17:00 <rwhitby> maik: logging it for real legit users is not a good idea
Dec 07 00:17:02 <sugardave> once a month or so, send a "Cheater!" popup and .wav file
Dec 07 00:17:11 <rwhitby> logging for pirates is fine :)
Dec 07 00:17:23 <maik> rwhitby: it will only be in the "warez" build that i'm going to post on mobilism :D
Dec 07 00:17:28 <rwhitby> maik: sweet
Dec 07 00:17:41 <maik> http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=602&t=151793
Dec 07 00:17:51 * rwhitby assumes the pirates don't read the public logs of this channel
Dec 07 00:17:58 <maik> hah
Dec 07 00:18:06 * halfhalo assumes no-one does
Dec 07 00:18:30 * sugardave wikileaks the logs.
Dec 07 00:18:33 <maik> sugardave: that comes back to not wanting to host the malicious portion on any servers i currently control for fear of retribution
Dec 07 00:18:44 <sugardave> maik: that's true
Dec 07 00:18:54 <maik> but if anyone else wants to host it for me... :)
Dec 07 00:19:35 <sugardave> hey, that's not a bad idea...offer hardened servers for devs to use to harass pirates
Dec 07 00:19:51 <maik> heh
Dec 07 00:22:48 <Demmin> is handleButton1 a built in function?  or someone elses creation that I am using from a tutorial?  (ex:  this.handlButton1 = blah blah blah)
Dec 07 00:23:10 <maik> definitely someone else's creation
Dec 07 00:23:20 <Demmin> ok cool
Dec 07 00:23:24 <maik> i'd slap someone at Palm for writing something that ridiculous
Dec 07 00:23:28 <Demmin> lol
Dec 07 00:24:10 <Demmin> not many tutorials on that i can find and the ones i can find don't seem to be that good
Dec 07 00:27:58 <JenP> hey developer coupons are coming in the mail
Dec 07 00:28:04 <dawm|laptop> ?
Dec 07 00:29:41 <rwhitby> JenP: snail mail or email ?
Dec 07 00:29:47 <JenP> email
Dec 07 00:31:01 <codeslaw> i got one last week
Dec 07 00:31:04 <codeslaw> but haven't ordered
Dec 07 00:31:22 <codeslaw> debating the merits of a $250 device that i can't use for anything but testing
Dec 07 00:32:07 <dawm|laptop> same
Dec 07 00:32:20 <JenP> me too
Dec 07 00:32:37 <halfhalo> could always send it to me!
Dec 07 00:33:10 <sugardave> it's really awesome
Dec 07 00:33:34 <sugardave> I don't know how awesome it is if you're used to a +, but from the - to 2 is night and day for real
Dec 07 00:33:35 <LoneStar99> codeslaw: buy it, i will buy one soon also =) awaiting my coupon...
Dec 07 00:34:56 <JenP> still having trouble getting a textfield to get focus after a dialog
Dec 07 00:35:19 <dawm|laptop> you could cheat
Dec 07 00:35:32 <dawm|laptop> use a timer to call focus after the dialog
Dec 07 00:35:54 <codeslaw> i'm sure its badass, but i can't use it as a phone on sprint
Dec 07 00:35:57 <JenP> oh that's interesting...would have never thought of that
Dec 07 00:36:08 <sugardave> codeslaw: no, that is unfortunate
Dec 07 00:36:49 <rwhitby> codeslaw: we're working on that ...
Dec 07 00:37:51 <codeslaw> webOs Internals: Helping Codeslaw justify his purchases since 2010
Dec 07 00:43:30 <nyceane> lol
Dec 07 00:43:37 <nyceane> hi JenP =)
Dec 07 00:43:47 <JenP> hi nyceane. how's SF?
Dec 07 00:45:20 <maik> i don't suppose there's a way to get a device's phone number?
Dec 07 00:45:22 <sugardave> haha
Dec 07 00:45:33 <sugardave> maik: I wasn't laughing at you
Dec 07 00:45:38 <maik> heh
Dec 07 00:45:41 <sugardave> bad timing :D
Dec 07 00:45:45 <maik> oh good
Dec 07 00:45:59 <sugardave> but, I don't know if it is possible
Dec 07 00:46:01 <dawm|laptop> maik not without using the palm namespace
Dec 07 00:46:14 <maik> dawm|laptop: how do you mean?
Dec 07 00:46:25 <dawm|laptop> com.palm.appname
Dec 07 00:46:31 <maik> oh gotcha.  lame
Dec 07 00:51:37 <haeffb> JenP: call the .focus() in the function you run upon return from the dialog
Dec 07 00:52:05 <haeffb> i.e. if you're calling a callback function when you exit the dialog
Dec 07 00:52:10 <JenP> kk thanks
Dec 07 00:52:45 * haeffb could use the pre2 on a local provider
Dec 07 00:53:01 <haeffb> but is it worth canceling Sprint and paying an extra $30/month?
Dec 07 00:53:09 <halfhalo> No
Dec 07 00:53:11 <sugardave> no
Dec 07 00:53:13 <dawm|laptop> exactly
Dec 07 00:53:17 <JenP> no
Dec 07 00:53:33 <haeffb> unless Sprint never gets another webOS device. Then it is worth it.
Dec 07 00:53:34 <nyceane> JenP, rent is very expensive, and so is parking =(
Dec 07 00:53:54 <JenP> so it's just like home...
Dec 07 00:53:55 <nyceane> does anybody know if hp Envy 17 has been shipped out from palm yet?
Dec 07 00:54:22 <nyceane> I still havn't gotten it, I kinda need it to crack my neighbor's wireless network as apple airport can't inject packets =(
Dec 07 00:54:30 <sugardave> haeffb: hopefully they will, and hopefully we'll know "soon"
Dec 07 00:55:03 <haeffb> sugardave: true, but should I gamble the $250 for another unlocked pre2 for the wife or not...that's the question.
Dec 07 00:55:05 <rwhitby> maik: with homebrew you can get the phone number
Dec 07 00:55:08 <nyceane> JenP, if you ever wana come up, I can show you around Palm campus =)
Dec 07 00:55:32 <sugardave> haeffb: tricky
Dec 07 00:55:40 <rwhitby> maik: and since they are using WOSQI to install the warez, you could put a small C service and postinst script in there to do all sorts of things
Dec 07 00:55:43 <JenP> lol...my own tour guide....that's sweet
Dec 07 00:55:48 <sugardave> gamble on a new phone and give her the 2 you have now
Dec 07 00:56:20 <haeffb> well, to switch providers I need two unlocked GSM webOS devices. I have one now.
Dec 07 00:56:37 <sugardave> oh right
Dec 07 00:56:44 <sugardave> sounds like you need to sell some apps
Dec 07 00:56:48 <sugardave> :D
Dec 07 00:57:03 <haeffb> yeah. I haven't written any code for a couple of months now. :(
Dec 07 00:57:37 <sugardave> I haven't written any for myself, but I'm starting a new one as we speak
Dec 07 00:58:06 <haeffb> dev portal down?
Dec 07 00:58:12 <sugardave> does anyone have a favorite sql designer that's lighter than mysql workbench?
Dec 07 00:58:13 * haeffb can't access sales reports
Dec 07 00:58:18 * halfhalo hasn't written any in a year
Dec 07 00:58:20 <sugardave> sales reports are fubar'ed
Dec 07 00:58:38 <sugardave> they stop at 11/09
Dec 07 00:59:22 <rwhitby> here's an interesting map - Australian RF transmitters (e.g. mostly mobile phone towers): http://spench.net/drupal/files/image/sites-100615.jpg
Dec 07 00:59:23 * haeffb assumes I could sell an unlocked pre2 on ebay or some such...
Dec 07 01:02:14 <sugardave> perfect
Dec 07 01:04:43 <JenP> is this right?
Dec 07 01:04:45 <JenP> http://pastebin.com/sDi1uTkv
Dec 07 01:06:21 <Tibfib> haeffb: I'd pay shipping to my house... heck I'd drive to your house for it :)
Dec 07 01:07:02 <Tibfib> JenP: not sure what you are doing, but you ma
Dec 07 01:07:11 <Tibfib> may have to bind(this) to your onchoose function
Dec 07 01:07:43 <Tibfib> well, you probably have to do that regardless of what you are doing :)
Dec 07 01:07:52 <JenP> Tibfib: I'm just trying to get focus to a textfield from a dialog box
Dec 07 01:08:13 <oil> the text field is in the dialog box?
Dec 07 01:08:17 <oil> or after the dialog box?
Dec 07 01:08:19 <JenP> no
Dec 07 01:08:23 <Tibfib> I think the easiest way would be to pass that function on teh dialog setup
Dec 07 01:08:28 <Tibfib> then call the function from the dialog
Dec 07 01:08:36 * Tibfib does that]
Dec 07 01:08:41 <JenP> the dialog box pops up to tell you to enter data in the text field
Dec 07 01:08:46 <oil> lol
Dec 07 01:09:21 <JenP> i thought that's what i was doing.
Dec 07 01:10:12 <Tibfib> JenP: http://webos101.com/Dialogs#Custom_Dialogs
Dec 07 01:10:43 <Tibfib> oh
Dec 07 01:10:46 <Tibfib> sorry, not a custom dialog
Dec 07 01:10:50 <JenP> yeah
Dec 07 01:10:51 <JenP> lol
Dec 07 01:11:06 <Tibfib> just do onChoose: this.focussed.bind(this)
Dec 07 01:11:23 * Tibfib was way off :)
Dec 07 01:11:57 <Tibfib> or do what you are doing and bind(this) to your onChoose function
Dec 07 01:13:04 <JenP> lol now i'm throughly confused.
Dec 07 01:13:09 <JenP> tried both... no worky
Dec 07 01:13:20 <Tibfib> should... :/
Dec 07 01:44:11 <Robi_> does the sprint store exchange bad batteries?
Dec 07 01:45:09 <sugardave> hmm, good question
Dec 07 01:45:17 <sugardave> I haven't had one go bad yet, though
Dec 07 01:47:44 <Robi_> or if they even have a way to test them
Dec 07 02:18:31 <Tibfib> I think I've asked this before, but has anyone worked with custom widgets?
Dec 07 02:19:11 <sugardave> I thought about it once
Dec 07 02:19:50 <Tibfib> for some reason my .mojo methods aren't working
Dec 07 02:20:17 * oil has thought about making a custom widget before, but never has
Dec 07 02:20:38 <Tibfib> they're fairly simple
Dec 07 02:20:53 <Tibfib> I think I'm just not getting a reference to it properly
Dec 07 02:24:23 <oil> whats your custom widget do?
Dec 07 02:25:54 <Tibfib> that's a secret.
Dec 07 02:26:22 <Tibfib> basically it renders text for me, and listens to tap events and responds to them
Dec 07 02:26:38 <Tibfib> I use it in a few scenes so I decided to make a widget out of it
Dec 07 02:28:38 <oil> lol
Dec 07 02:36:03 <Tibfib> oh, you have to "expose methods" for widgets
Dec 07 02:37:16 <haeffb> Tibfib: write a combobox widget
Dec 07 02:37:27 <Tibfib> what's a combobox?
Dec 07 02:37:57 <haeffb> combination of textfield & listselector
Dec 07 02:38:00 <oil> like a list select but accepts manual entry
Dec 07 02:38:19 <haeffb> and narrows options in list as you type
Dec 07 02:38:24 <Tibfib> interesting
Dec 07 02:38:41 <oil> while we're throwing out widget ideas
Dec 07 02:38:42 <Tibfib> If I needed it, I would :)
Dec 07 02:38:43 <oil> how about a color picker?
Dec 07 02:38:44 <oil> xD
Dec 07 02:38:52 <Tibfib> oil: you do it! it's easy!
Dec 07 02:39:02 <oil> but its easier for me if you do it!
Dec 07 02:39:03 <Tibfib> mega easy, I'm pretty much done turning my stuff into a widget
Dec 07 02:40:22 <haeffb> oil, use LoneStar99's color picker?
Dec 07 02:40:30 <oil> yeah
Dec 07 02:40:43 * halfhalo votes getting beers instead
Dec 07 02:40:50 <oil> both can be done!
Dec 07 02:40:56 <halfhalo> wooo!
Dec 07 02:40:58 * haeffb votes beers as well
Dec 07 02:41:26 * haeffb votes beers over pretty much anything.
Dec 07 02:41:38 * halfhalo won't actually drink it though, to much studying to not do
Dec 07 02:45:14 <Loudergood> 'tis the season for procrastination
Dec 07 02:46:58 <dawm> hells yeah
Dec 07 02:48:37 * oil didn't procrastinate his gift purchasing this year
Dec 07 02:48:48 <oil> in fact, a couple presents have already shown up
Dec 07 02:49:36 * halfhalo already has his christmas present
Dec 07 02:50:04 <halfhalo> although it goes under the tree... once we, well, get a tree
Dec 07 02:50:09 <Loudergood> heh, I've gotten nothing yet...probably going to have to make it an amazon christmas
Dec 07 02:50:11 <halfhalo> new 32" 1080p TV
Dec 07 02:50:23 <Loudergood> big tree
Dec 07 02:50:58 <halfhalo> My dad is also getting.. a new 32" 1080p TV
Dec 07 02:51:02 <halfhalo> but his is nicer than mine
Dec 07 02:51:08 <halfhalo> also costs twice as much
Dec 07 02:52:00 * halfhalo is getting a vizio
Dec 07 02:52:19 <Tibfib> has sugardave been around?
Dec 07 02:52:21 <Loudergood> I'm sure it's still leaps and bounds over what you have
Dec 07 02:52:35 <halfhalo> Nah, Replacing a nice but dead 26" sammy
Dec 07 02:52:39 <Tibfib> he's probably avoiding me :)
Dec 07 02:52:58 <halfhalo> My dad is getting the most expensive 32" sony since its the only one that fits in his office
Dec 07 02:53:08 <halfhalo> 800 for a freakin 32"?!?  No thank you
Dec 07 02:54:12 <Loudergood> yeah that's a bit much
Dec 07 02:54:56 * sugardave has definitely been around.
Dec 07 02:54:59 <sugardave> a few times
Dec 07 02:55:00 <halfhalo> I myself went for the Vizio on sale at costco.  350 shipped to my house, down from 600
Dec 07 02:55:32 <halfhalo> liar
Dec 07 02:55:45 * halfhalo is also angling for new headlight assemblies and a HID kit
Dec 07 02:58:11 <oil> Tibfib: let me know when you've got that color picker widget all done :)
Dec 07 02:59:05 <sugardave> heh
Dec 07 02:59:11 <oil> http://i.imgur.com/XNCiU.jpg
Dec 07 02:59:15 <oil> made me laugh today
Dec 07 02:59:45 <Tibfib> oil: hope you know patience
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