**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 08 02:59:57 2010 Dec 08 03:12:27 * rwhitby has never experienced a mail system where the carrier takes away outgoing mail Dec 08 03:15:54 * alexfner wonders what prompted rwhitby to comment on such a thing... Dec 08 03:16:18 you have to remember, americans are lazy! Dec 08 03:16:28 alexfner: the discussion from 40 minutes ago Dec 08 03:16:39 ah I guess I missed that Dec 08 03:16:51 Halfhalo I would argue that we're not, but it's too much effort. Dec 08 03:17:05 overnight mail is pretty aweosme Dec 08 03:17:14 send something at night, person gets it in the morning Dec 08 03:32:05 hey guys Dec 08 03:32:08 hey codeslaw Dec 08 04:00:40 is there a way to get the tag data from a file via straight webOS? Dec 08 04:00:55 or would I have to use a c++ or node.js service? Dec 08 04:04:08 http://blog.nihilogic.dk/2008/08/reading-id3-tags-with-javascript.html Dec 08 04:15:45 https://github.com/aadsm/JavaScript-ID3-Reader Dec 08 04:15:53 if anyone cares :) Dec 08 04:21:44 Hi, I've got a webOS project that's doing a Ajax.Request but it's *always* coming out as GET instead of POST? http://pastie.org/1357829 Dec 08 05:29:59 * halfhalo is going to kick his router Dec 08 05:30:12 ? Dec 08 05:30:27 its stuttering with hulu... Dec 08 05:30:41 not even hd hulu, 4080p Dec 08 05:31:04 i see Dec 08 05:31:56 * halfhalo knows he has enough bw as well Dec 08 05:33:19 man, 4080p :O Dec 08 05:34:42 http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/08/zscape-3d-holographic-prints-take-maps-to-the-next-dimension-sa/ Dec 08 05:34:47 damn straigh 4080p Dec 08 05:42:14 hi all! Dec 08 05:44:24 heya... how're you tonight? Dec 08 05:44:37 hey mugen- I'm well how are you? Dec 08 05:47:46 doing alright i spose... Dec 08 05:48:40 what are you up to tonight? Dec 08 05:49:46 lil programming... watching Hitman :D Dec 08 05:49:51 u? Dec 08 05:50:26 just got home from work...checking email...gonna go to bed soon...have a very early AM Dec 08 05:50:58 boo... they're working you to the bone sounds like :\ Dec 08 05:51:12 yeah end of year always sucks Dec 08 05:51:18 but today REALLY sucked Dec 08 05:51:42 awe.... i'm sorry Dec 08 05:51:45 i found out my assistant did not send out my most recent build and distributed the beta Dec 08 05:51:54 which ofcouse crashed Dec 08 05:53:08 ack! Dec 08 05:53:27 no bueno :( Dec 08 05:53:39 yup Dec 08 05:53:53 and since i'm his lead...I had to take responsibility for it Dec 08 05:56:27 well time to go. ttyl Dec 08 06:13:04 Evening everyone Dec 08 06:13:09 evening Dec 08 06:13:39 Adora are you watching? Dec 08 06:14:03 always Dec 08 06:16:59 I pingd you when you have a second Dec 08 06:18:40 howdy folks Dec 08 06:18:51 howdy Dec 08 06:19:53 who is adora? Dec 08 06:20:08 your mom? Dec 08 06:20:14 jk Dec 08 06:20:16 seems familar? Dec 08 06:20:17 lol Dec 08 06:20:24 She is from Palm Dec 08 06:20:32 Adora: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/2/2e/Email_2010-08-12_163947.png Dec 08 06:21:10 I think she stepped away Dec 08 06:21:15 rwhitby: pretty sweet, like the cows Dec 08 06:21:25 cwgtex found it Dec 08 06:21:50 lol is it a feature of 2.0 Dec 08 06:22:03 or hidden Dec 08 06:22:05 so cows float around if you get a new email? Dec 08 06:22:54 you have to have supercowpowers first Dec 08 06:22:55 my backlight just died..... Dec 08 06:23:45 rwhitby: sweet Dec 08 06:24:15 kinda reminds me of my short url service --> http://uoid.me Dec 08 06:26:54 cowStyle.WebkitTransform = 'rotate(' + ((rotation) % 360) + 'deg)'; Dec 08 06:27:12 rwhitby: nice Dec 08 06:28:11 was looking for a cure for the coughs, and noticed that 4 tequila shots numbs the throat enough, not to cough Dec 08 06:29:05 no one has run my bait app as of yet Dec 08 06:29:17 bait app? Dec 08 06:30:32 awwww Dec 08 06:30:48 maik: is it in the app cat? Dec 08 06:31:01 heh Dec 08 06:31:14 someone requested a pirated copy of Emergency Lights on mobilism Dec 08 06:31:23 so i obliged them >:) Dec 08 06:36:12 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/270515-i-found-easter-egg-webos-2-0-a.html Dec 08 06:36:37 huh, I guess the Palm Emulator doesn't like being run at 1024x768x24 :V Dec 08 06:38:04 cwgtex: the cows rock Dec 08 06:41:45 alright need to meet my window of opportunity to sleep, so chat laters Dec 08 06:42:50 cows! Dec 08 06:45:20 SineOT lol Dec 08 06:45:24 why Dec 08 06:45:32 CTLAdvance: why not Dec 08 06:45:37 good point Dec 08 06:45:43 verdict: webos tablet would be pretty cool Dec 08 06:45:55 I think we knew that already Dec 08 06:46:38 We just need to go from vapor to the real deal Dec 08 06:46:47 maybe june of next year Dec 08 06:46:48 * SineOt is really wishing they had busted out one at the Dive Into Mobile thing. Dec 08 06:47:03 Google did it, RIM did it, Pallllllmmmmm :C Dec 08 06:47:25 I know it were going to see a chrome book before we get a palm pad Dec 08 06:47:54 It'll be sad if we see an Android Honeycomb tablet before the Palm Pad. Dec 08 06:48:00 Since Google had one on stage. Dec 08 06:48:06 Blackberry is going to deploy QNX to phones now, so there will be little to distinguish webOS from blackberry Dec 08 06:48:15 * halfhalo may see a honycomb at ces Dec 08 06:48:21 hopefully there is a patent suit Dec 08 06:48:23 I signed up for the Cr48 pilot program, which would be awesome. Dec 08 06:48:35 same here Dec 08 06:48:51 * halfhalo should sign up as media Dec 08 06:48:58 QNX is still a ways off, I think, since he said that it'd show up with dual core CPUs in phones. Dec 08 06:49:03 Which... Still hasn't happened. Dec 08 06:49:15 guess what dual core is here now read Nexus S Dec 08 06:49:25 although blackberry wont use one for 20 years Dec 08 06:49:27 That's a dual core? Dec 08 06:49:33 they are still on 600mhz cpu Dec 08 06:49:36 yes the NS is dc Dec 08 06:49:42 huh, cool Dec 08 06:49:46 yeah Dec 08 06:50:13 if only there was a patch that prevented google from collecting user data for it Dec 08 06:50:18 anyways... TO THE STOVE TO MAKE DINNER AT 11PM :V Dec 08 06:50:30 TO The STOVE! by microsoft Dec 08 06:50:56 * SineOt burns the house down because clouds obscure the stove. Dec 08 06:50:57 Ill just swap in some beans and upload it to face Dec 08 06:51:10 * halfhalo votes bacon Dec 08 06:51:22 * CTLAdvance thinks SineOT is nuts as clouds arent as reliable yet Dec 08 06:51:45 * CTLAdvance notes that halfhalo swaps in some bacon and uploaded it to his face Dec 08 06:52:07 its funny how suddenly Chrome OS has some offline capabilities Dec 08 06:52:28 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889252107 is in my house Dec 08 06:52:53 I think Adora ran away screaming Dec 08 06:53:21 eh 900 bucks for a 32" tv... Dec 08 06:53:22 ... Dec 08 06:53:31 ya bad price Dec 08 06:53:44 its got an AMAZING picture Dec 08 06:53:45 my crt is bigger Dec 08 06:53:54 my off brand 46" was 300 and is just as good Dec 08 06:54:02 also the only 32" that fits in the space where its going Dec 08 06:54:06 you only pay for the brand :/ Dec 08 06:54:28 but sweet! Dec 08 06:54:40 Its not for me, I have a 32" vizio coming Dec 08 06:54:57 its for the office which has a 31" space Dec 08 06:54:58 I wish I made it to dev day Dec 08 06:55:05 ah I see Dec 08 06:55:29 32 != 31 1+3 = 4+19 = 23 Dec 08 06:55:30 23 Dec 08 06:55:38 lol Dec 08 06:55:53 I knew you were here some where :D Dec 08 06:56:01 Theres a model with no network stuff for like 500 that would work.. except its 31.5 inches wide Dec 08 06:56:20 oh is this goog tv Dec 08 06:56:31 nah, but it has the wifis Dec 08 06:56:34 and the ethernets Dec 08 06:56:40 ah I see Dec 08 06:56:59 better anyways, then goog cant watch you watch it naked Dec 08 06:57:02 er.. Dec 08 06:57:10 its got the wifis? Dec 08 06:57:14 yup Dec 08 06:57:17 lol Dec 08 06:57:21 that'd be the kinect Dec 08 06:57:28 its also being isolated from the rest of the network Dec 08 06:57:37 the kinect is in my closet, thankyouverymuch Dec 08 06:57:40 except MS would delete your images after 6 months Dec 08 06:57:48 goog would have indef until you req to remove Dec 08 06:58:18 you go into the closet to play with your kinect? Dec 08 06:58:35 nah, its achristmas gift for my brother Dec 08 06:58:37 more importantly, he comes out of hte closet when he's done Dec 08 06:58:38 do you keep an erector set in there as well Dec 08 06:58:44 lol yeah Dec 08 06:58:56 along with new headphones and some other crap I can't think of Dec 08 07:06:04 what are we talking about? Dec 08 07:06:11 your mom Dec 08 07:07:30 old news Dec 08 07:07:47 ah Dec 08 07:07:53 I read about that on techcrunch Dec 08 07:21:30 omg Dec 08 07:21:32 CTLAdvance Dec 08 07:21:36 I just saw your screenshot Dec 08 07:21:43 and? Dec 08 07:21:44 that's friggin hilarious Dec 08 07:21:52 great Dec 08 07:21:55 glad you like it Dec 08 07:22:12 I want to get him to make some voice overs for it Dec 08 07:22:30 (and now I know why he was asking me what his catchphrases are earlier today) Dec 08 07:22:44 "im stuck in an original sprint pre... let me out" Dec 08 07:22:47 lol Dec 08 07:23:08 I tried to get ahold of him but was inbetween flights Dec 08 07:23:19 "hey, watch the glasses!" Dec 08 07:23:23 lol yeah Dec 08 07:23:30 * oil is interested of what secret stuff is being discussed Dec 08 07:23:35 I think we need to include the sock puppet Dec 08 07:23:41 sekret Dec 08 07:23:41 oil: SEEKRIT SEEKRIT Dec 08 07:23:44 what is dis? Dec 08 07:23:48 SHH NO TALKING Dec 08 07:23:49 your mom Dec 08 07:23:49 seekrit docs? Dec 08 07:23:58 seekrit app Dec 08 07:23:59 seekrit project Dec 08 07:24:00 * oil things its cold here, outside the loop :( Dec 08 07:24:06 s/app/project Dec 08 07:24:08 welcome to my world Dec 08 07:24:09 is this the app that shares dna? Dec 08 07:24:11 no, its cold here in wisconsin Dec 08 07:24:17 oil: quit crying and go hack something Dec 08 07:24:21 lol Dec 08 07:24:25 its the app that is your mom Dec 08 07:24:29 er.. Dec 08 07:24:35 i've already met my hacking quota for today: http://i54.tinypic.com/335e05f.png Dec 08 07:24:56 sounds like you're SOL then Dec 08 07:24:58 xD Dec 08 07:25:09 aw Dec 08 07:25:10 * Adora calls the waaaaaaaaambulance Dec 08 07:25:27 * halfhalo hands oil a crowbar Dec 08 07:25:34 * oil comes up with his own sekrets Dec 08 07:25:39 =D Dec 08 07:25:41 hey halfhalo, remember that thing we were talking about earlier? Dec 08 07:25:45 haha, yeah, isn't that great? Dec 08 07:26:04 yup Dec 08 07:26:06 lol Dec 08 07:26:09 wow, nice cowstaches Dec 08 07:26:14 haha Dec 08 07:26:18 did you want one instance or two? Dec 08 07:26:48 or did you want it to cross polinate Dec 08 07:27:12 lol Dec 08 07:27:30 CTLAdvance: you and derek should collaborate to make a sock puppet version where only the glasses wobble Dec 08 07:27:40 lol yeah Dec 08 07:27:55 I was going to ask for that as well, but dont have the image Dec 08 07:27:57 * oil now assumes its another bobblehead app depicting something Dec 08 07:28:11 thats what she said Dec 08 07:28:18 ZING Dec 08 07:29:00 * oil goes back to his corner Dec 08 07:29:03 we need to make one of derek himself Dec 08 07:29:07 dont go oil Dec 08 07:29:09 I was kidding Dec 08 07:29:33 hmm, I wonder if I got any bobble-able pictures of rod at devday Dec 08 07:29:47 * halfhalo points out oils corner is next to the bathroom... but also has the 55" TV Dec 08 07:29:49 * oil is sure you could Dec 08 07:30:39 MOODS Dec 08 07:30:46 the bobbleheads need to have moods! Dec 08 07:30:52 oh god Dec 08 07:31:02 so depending on how you interact with it, it changes from a happy face to a frowny face Dec 08 07:31:07 lol Dec 08 07:31:10 thats epic Dec 08 07:31:12 Adora this is why we don't let yu have nice things! Dec 08 07:31:19 rwhitbys bobblehead needs to have a mustache option, too Dec 08 07:31:22 * Adora bobbles halfhalo Dec 08 07:31:25 lol Dec 08 07:31:44 halfhalo may be in his closet so be careful Dec 08 07:32:09 * halfhalo goes to boobytrap stuff in revenge Dec 08 07:32:19 oh, I need to make an xbox kinect bobble head app Dec 08 07:32:38 how long can you bobble Dec 08 07:32:52 get xbox live gamerpoints based on skill Dec 08 07:33:06 can have commercials that are more sexually charged then the shake weight Dec 08 07:33:33 * oil points out the video where dude doesn't move and takes first place Dec 08 07:33:34 hah Dec 08 07:33:39 lol Dec 08 07:34:07 some people were running around in bad 70s era aerobic exercise clothing while using shakeweights Dec 08 07:34:11 and they were being filmed Dec 08 07:34:17 lol Dec 08 07:34:20 I'm talking about TIGHT spandex Dec 08 07:34:20 haha, shakeweights Dec 08 07:34:25 newegg has HID kits?!? Dec 08 07:34:28 im so glad southpark finally made fun of it Dec 08 07:34:37 now they have the shakeweight for men... :/ Dec 08 07:34:41 I know Dec 08 07:34:49 that episode was hilarious Dec 08 07:34:59 sprays you with a cooling liquid Dec 08 07:35:04 when you're done working out, it squirts refreshing liquid on your face Dec 08 07:35:08 and then dispenses cabfair Dec 08 07:35:21 lol Dec 08 07:35:26 yeah, I cant believe they even made the commercial Dec 08 07:35:31 yeah Dec 08 07:36:38 lol I think that deserves an app Dec 08 07:36:47 the "Shape Phone Workout System" Dec 08 07:37:00 Shake* Dec 08 07:37:06 can you cache resources (I'm specifically referring to images) locally in JS or html? Dec 08 07:37:27 in JS you can load images before they are needed Dec 08 07:37:37 and hold them in a variable Dec 08 07:37:39 yeah but that's not what I need :( Dec 08 07:37:43 bah Dec 08 07:38:04 So Adora - Did I meet your requirements Dec 08 07:38:30 Or do you require a version where he is using the shake weight Dec 08 07:38:40 building an iPad app using web standards. Need to store images from the canvas locally, could store in an html5 database, but would much rather have a way to store locally as images rather than rgba values Dec 08 07:39:02 CTLAdvance: yes, you have fulfilled my requirements Dec 08 07:39:05 if there is full canvas support you should be able to save it Dec 08 07:39:33 otherwise you could store it pixel by pixel Dec 08 07:39:35 I can get the image data, I just can't save the image inside of the application Dec 08 07:39:46 Adora: Sweet Dec 08 07:39:56 I could have the user store in it pictures, but then I have no way to get it back into the application purely using web standards Dec 08 07:40:15 I get more work done on the road as I am not spending time with my children... which is a good and bad thing Dec 08 07:40:39 alexfner I would store it as a pixel map Dec 08 07:40:50 CTLAdvance: in a local database? Dec 08 07:40:54 yes Dec 08 07:41:20 WebOS needs propper canvas support :/ Dec 08 07:41:24 yep Dec 08 07:41:27 and touch events Dec 08 07:41:39 ugh yeah better multi touch support Dec 08 07:42:13 but storing it in a database, how many images do you think I could store locally? Will it prompt the user for more space when the database needs to become larger than a certain point, or will it just fail? Dec 08 07:43:16 well yoiu need the rgb code for each pixel, so the size deppends on how big the image is Dec 08 07:43:23 right Dec 08 07:43:27 its performance would be up to your implementation Dec 08 07:43:34 I'm just asking Dec 08 07:43:44 Probably quite a few Dec 08 07:43:53 what are you using to make ipad html5 apps? Dec 08 07:43:59 if the local database has a hard limit. I know in firefox it will prompt you for every 5MB of space it needs to use Dec 08 07:44:18 ah, yeah you may run into something there Dec 08 07:44:33 you could save as an image and then store its location in a db Dec 08 07:44:46 alexfner what toolkit are you using for ipad Dec 08 07:44:53 yeah but you don't have that kind of file system access with the iPad Dec 08 07:45:00 arg! Dec 08 07:45:04 pixel map is best bet Dec 08 07:45:07 I'm building straight JS Dec 08 07:45:14 with hardware accel transforms Dec 08 07:45:16 just see what you can do Dec 08 07:45:17 test it Dec 08 07:45:27 make a simple storage app and test on ipon Dec 08 07:45:32 er pad Dec 08 07:45:36 this is a pretty performance intensive app so I didn't want to weigh it down with something like sproutcore Dec 08 07:45:55 alexfner what toolkit are you using for your app phone gap? Dec 08 07:46:55 CTLAdvance: no, it's just web based. Right now you can go to a URL and add it to the home screen, if I want to add it to the app catalog at some point I can just create a web view application pointing to the URL Dec 08 07:47:19 it might not be the best way to do it, but I was trying to get a demo out in a few days Dec 08 07:47:27 ah ok Dec 08 07:47:29 have any thoughts on the matter? Dec 08 07:48:34 I wonder, do they still have the req that you need a mac to dev for apple Dec 08 07:49:02 if you want to make native applications yes Dec 08 07:49:12 i think they let you program with other languages again Dec 08 07:49:44 but you still need to own some flavor of mac to dev for iOS Dec 08 07:50:45 * oil remembers someone saying you still needed a mac to go through the signing and submitting or something like that Dec 08 07:50:51 * oil could be totally wrong though Dec 08 07:51:06 oil I mean there's no SDK for windows, no development tools what so ever Dec 08 07:51:12 yeah Dec 08 07:51:38 but they allow you to use things like mono or whatever again Dec 08 07:51:47 oy Dec 08 07:51:55 new phoooooooone Dec 08 07:51:59 new phoooooooooooooooone Dec 08 07:52:02 oh? Dec 08 07:52:28 CTLAdvance: I think I'm going to see if I can store the dataURL in localstorage, cause that might be much easier Dec 08 07:52:50 CTLAdvance: provided it works, as I have already found that I can get from the dataURL to an image, and localstorage is easy peasy Dec 08 07:53:21 yeah try it i guess Dec 08 07:53:31 * hotdp says good morning Dec 08 07:54:01 * alexfner slaps hotdp with a morning trout Dec 08 07:54:38 * oil now has hot double penetration on his mind Dec 08 07:54:47 thanks, hotdp Dec 08 07:54:51 xD Dec 08 07:55:46 new Dec 08 07:55:50 phoooooooooooooooooooooone Dec 08 07:55:58 man the content of the chat really takes an odd turn in the night Dec 08 07:55:59 there is no new phone Dec 08 07:56:06 lol Dec 08 07:56:08 he's a zombie Dec 08 07:56:19 * halfhalo has old phone Dec 08 07:56:23 new phone ;-; Dec 08 07:56:27 paaaaaaaaaaalm Dec 08 07:56:31 oil: its not double Dec 08 07:56:36 But DEEP Dec 08 07:56:45 but the p DOES stand for penetration? Dec 08 07:56:46 LOL Dec 08 07:56:53 * hotdp has a large one so deep penetration is what it stands for Dec 08 07:57:00 haha Dec 08 07:57:45 * hotdp wonder what the supercow easter eag on the rods twit was? Dec 08 07:57:47 large which? Dec 08 07:57:56 thats what she said Dec 08 07:58:21 new Dec 08 07:58:23 new phone Dec 08 07:58:25 * torchie dies Dec 08 07:58:40 * CTLAdvance stomps on torchies dead body... there are NO NEW PHONES! Dec 08 07:59:13 * CTLAdvance slips on oil.... Dec 08 07:59:21 * CTLAdvance face palm Dec 08 08:00:42 CTLAdvance: w00t localStorage works, but there might be a quota :) Dec 08 08:00:53 push it to the limit Dec 08 08:01:20 drag events in canvas element? Dec 08 08:02:15 what's a good strategy for generating/storing dynamic keys for a key->value system in js? i.e. to use localStorage across sessions for multiple images and know what to look for Dec 08 08:02:17 anyone? Dec 08 08:18:37 at this point, iOS seems more friendly for true web development than webOS Dec 08 08:18:37 hate to say that Dec 08 08:18:47 but in the future with an updated webkit, hopefully webOS will catch up Dec 08 08:19:03 and I mean making applications in just html Dec 08 08:19:05 yeah :/ Dec 08 08:19:16 it's frustrating, no touch events in webos Dec 08 08:19:42 meanwhile know what platforms do have them Dec 08 08:19:46 iderp and anderp Dec 08 13:30:58 hey all Dec 08 13:38:21 7 minz Dec 08 13:38:59 If only he'd stayed 8. Dec 08 13:42:24 yes Dec 08 14:12:02 can an approved application index files from /media/internal? Dec 08 14:13:09 dunno Dec 08 14:13:31 but why use that storage? Dec 08 14:14:21 media player software? Dec 08 14:14:31 say you wrote a music player that supported flac Dec 08 14:14:46 and users could dragon drop to internal and the music player would find those files Dec 08 14:15:12 i see Dec 08 14:19:16 sugardave ping Dec 08 14:19:34 Bmyers *Wuhuuuu* Dec 08 14:19:51 Hi hotdp Dec 08 14:20:26 how goes? i have not seen sugardave today yet Dec 08 14:21:35 Goes ok. How are things over there? Dec 08 14:23:26 cold but good i think :) Dec 08 14:24:20 Yeah freezing here too. Spring is coming .... Dec 08 14:25:46 pong Dec 08 14:25:54 I'm actually going into work today Dec 08 14:26:31 Sorry to hear that Dec 08 14:26:41 yeah, it blows Dec 08 14:26:44 oh well Dec 08 14:26:48 need a paycheck :D Dec 08 14:26:50 lol Dec 08 14:27:00 Any experience with backup exec? Dec 08 14:27:04 * hotdp thought sugardave got paychecks for being at home Dec 08 14:27:34 hotdp: yeah, but this is one of those times I have to go to the lab and get a system prepped so I can access it from home Dec 08 14:27:44 Bmyers: that sounds familiar, but I don't back anything up Dec 08 14:27:46 ahh Dec 08 14:28:05 Men don't backup, they cry Dec 08 14:29:05 losing your data is like losing your best truck Dec 08 14:29:12 it's ok to cry Dec 08 14:29:43 Ah ok. Just a shot in the dark. I thought maybe you might. Dec 08 14:32:12 Sorry you have to get out of your pj's today sugardave Dec 08 14:32:54 morning, all Dec 08 14:34:12 morning HattCzech_work Dec 08 14:34:58 in every life a little rain must fall, talk to y'all in a while Dec 08 14:36:03 how's everybody doing? Dec 08 14:37:25 poopy Dec 08 14:51:43 poopy, torchie? Dec 08 14:51:47 that doesn't sound good Dec 08 14:51:52 finals week Dec 08 14:51:55 hehe Dec 08 14:52:44 ahhh Dec 08 14:54:52 yeah, finals aren't usually much fun Dec 08 14:55:37 well it's been pretty chill since all the ones I have to actually study for are over Dec 08 14:59:35 so then what's left? Dec 08 15:10:02 cinema survey! Dec 08 15:37:23 * sugardave watches progress bars. "How exciting!" Dec 08 15:40:02 The Bars of Progress!!! Dec 08 15:40:22 one is ALMOST halfway done Dec 08 15:40:28 the other 1/3 Dec 08 15:41:10 * haeffb_pre going to watch Mu vs Vanderbilt tonight Dec 08 15:41:34 bowl game? Dec 08 15:41:39 we get no bowl game this year Dec 08 15:42:02 but, we had 3 coaches leave (Greg Davis and his Vince Young offense are gone) Dec 08 16:27:20 awe, mobilism got hacked Dec 08 16:27:59 oh? Dec 08 16:28:24 i'm assuming so: Forum will be back up shortly. If you have experience in php security please email me lifehacker [at] ppcwarez.org Dec 08 16:29:08 lol Dec 08 17:16:49 sugardave: no, bball game Dec 08 17:17:18 fball is Insight Bowl Dec 28 v Iowa Dec 08 17:17:18 haeffb_pre: ah, I see Dec 08 17:18:02 * sugardave tries to figure out why IBM network nazis have eliminated outside access to these lab machines. "They are really cramping my style." Dec 08 17:24:28 Good morning everybody Dec 08 17:24:48 morning Dec 08 17:25:31 morningz Dec 08 17:25:39 morn Dec 08 17:25:46 sugardave: can you "hack" it so you can get access? Dec 08 17:25:55 hotdp: ha, no Dec 08 17:27:13 our networks are segregated into two "zones", blue and yellow....the systems are on the blue zone but supposed to be reachable from the yellow if I authenticate properly (which I have done). I think with all the lab re-wiring, the network guys screwed something up Dec 08 17:28:30 why isn't there a "red zone"? Dec 08 17:28:41 that would be awesome Dec 08 17:30:12 that's where I am now, and like the Longhorns, unable to score a touchdown Dec 08 17:40:39 unfortunate :/ Dec 08 17:40:55 hopefully you didn't go to the A&m vs UT game Dec 08 17:41:01 no, I did not Dec 08 17:41:10 that shit pissed me off, though, we could have won that game Dec 08 17:41:13 it was friggin freezing, and not a good game at all Dec 08 17:41:19 yeah, we could have Dec 08 17:41:37 oh well, just one more excuse to avoid my aggie cousin Dec 08 17:41:49 that guy is a douce anyway Dec 08 17:41:55 douche, too Dec 08 17:44:21 sugardave: douce (adj): : sober, sedate — douce·ly adverb, chiefly Scottish Dec 08 17:44:56 I'll have to make it a point to use that in sentences Dec 08 17:48:11 hehe Dec 08 17:48:15 awesome Dec 08 18:00:55 sugardave: both of my parents went to a&m and my dad went to the game with me Dec 08 18:01:25 but we've never rubbed it in the other's face when our teams lose Dec 08 18:01:36 so that's good Dec 08 18:01:47 he thought a&m played pretty horribly as well Dec 08 18:02:37 yeah, they did, but we were more horrible :D Dec 08 18:07:49 * phil_bw wanders by Dec 08 18:08:15 * hotdp hates DVB-C Dec 08 18:12:30 dvb-c? Dec 08 18:18:40 YEs Dec 08 18:18:54 Its a our digital tv connection Dec 08 18:19:04 Its only availible in scandinavia Dec 08 18:19:09 so no windows support and it sucks Dec 08 18:19:58 ? Dec 08 18:20:09 windows not allowed in scandinavia? Dec 08 18:20:23 DVB-C Dec 08 18:20:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-C Dec 08 18:22:19 I see Dec 08 18:36:33 dvb-c? digital cable? Dec 08 18:36:55 is also standard in Germany Dec 08 18:37:27 dammit laptop... Dec 08 18:37:38 it never went o sleep in my backback Dec 08 18:40:58 dvb-c SUCK! Dec 08 18:41:09 No medie center support Dec 08 18:41:33 * halfhalo bets there is a usb stick somewhere that supports media center Dec 08 18:42:38 dvb-c is not supported by windows medie center Dec 08 18:42:47 DVB-T and DVB-S is Dec 08 19:44:30 evening Dec 08 19:44:37 hi Dec 08 19:45:57 morning swisstomcat Dec 08 19:46:06 hey lonestar,metaview Dec 08 19:47:30 the dev pre 2 can't be used as a real mobile? Dec 08 19:47:40 mmhmm Dec 08 19:47:41 why not? Dec 08 19:48:04 not sure Dec 08 19:48:19 still awaiting my coupon code Dec 08 19:48:22 I... what? Dec 08 19:48:31 yes, it can be used as a real phone Dec 08 19:48:34 LoneStar99: it's an unlocked UTMS device, of course it could be used Dec 08 19:48:48 utms: does that use a sim card? Dec 08 19:48:54 LoneStar99: yes Dec 08 19:48:57 no UMTS in europe Dec 08 19:49:12 swisstomcat: tried UberCalendar? Dec 08 19:49:22 not yet Dec 08 19:49:27 how do i install the patch? Dec 08 19:49:28 ok Dec 08 19:49:29 I think it can do EDGE or at least just GPRS Dec 08 19:49:37 destinal: ok, will wait for coupon code... Dec 08 19:49:39 or does it not support frequencies Dec 08 19:49:39 Internalz, WebOSQuickInstall or Preware Dec 08 19:49:40 ? Dec 08 19:49:55 time to update my app meta info Dec 08 19:50:00 it supports the freq for GSM but not for UMTS Dec 08 19:50:11 GSM is GPRS or EDGE Dec 08 19:50:45 damn one of my apps has a 0.3 rating =( Dec 08 19:50:51 lol Dec 08 19:50:54 are you Done? Dec 08 19:51:07 LoneStar99: so hopefully it works just with less speed out there. if you want you can do a comm board swap as well Dec 08 19:51:07 or what was his name... Dec 08 19:51:34 destinal: oh ok Dec 08 19:58:16 metaview: you just sent me a .patch file .. will that work with preware? Dec 08 19:58:44 yes Dec 08 19:58:56 preware registers for this filetype Dec 08 19:59:06 just tap on it in your email Dec 08 20:03:24 allright Dec 08 20:03:26 i'll test Dec 08 20:18:21 Building fixed position iOS web app (via Google) http://code.google.com/mobile/articles/webapp_fixed_ui.html Dec 08 20:21:05 swisstomcat: did you test the shortcut thing? Dec 08 20:21:33 alexfner: intersting Dec 08 20:21:36 which one? Dec 08 20:21:51 i could not get it to work at all? Dec 08 20:22:16 swisstomcat: when I first read the title I thought it would demonstrate -webkit-transform: rotate to create rotation agnostic applications, but it's still quite informative Dec 08 20:41:57 anyone know why submitting a metadata updates hangs and takes for ever? Dec 08 20:44:07 takes like 10+ minutes Dec 08 20:44:50 not usual Dec 08 20:45:30 it always happens to me... Dec 08 20:45:34 where does it hang? Dec 08 20:46:32 after clicking submit Dec 08 20:47:00 until it returns? Dec 08 20:47:05 well, that could be Dec 08 20:48:16 yeah Dec 08 20:49:45 pretty interesting drug tunnel from San Diego to Tijuana http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11952794 Dec 08 20:56:29 https://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/12/websockets-disabled-in-firefox-4/ Dec 08 20:58:52 http://www.amazon.com/Acase-Leather-Jacket-folio-Tablet/dp/B003K0E6BG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291841913&sr=8-1 Dec 08 20:58:55 here is the same one Dec 08 20:59:53 that's right folks, websockets will be disabled in ff4 Dec 08 21:07:43 http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/08/paypal-wikileaks/ Dec 08 21:09:11 http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm Dec 08 21:09:15 whoops Dec 08 21:09:17 wrong chat Dec 08 21:13:51 bbl Dec 08 21:14:21 Good night Dec 08 21:34:36 is official, going to apple this summer Dec 08 21:34:49 that is all Dec 08 21:35:00 nice Dec 08 21:36:34 yeah, will be neat Dec 08 21:36:38 I can get away from all this snow Dec 08 21:36:46 nice Dec 08 22:08:35 alexfner: doing what? Dec 08 22:10:36 maik heheh :) Dec 08 22:12:10 ask me any question, I'll give a weird laugh in return Dec 08 22:13:12 oh..k... Dec 08 23:02:58 anyone here avail Dec 08 23:03:37 I had an idea for an app but since I'm new to dev I have no clue where to start Dec 08 23:06:11 =/ Dec 08 23:15:31 how new? Dec 08 23:16:08 umm just starting Dec 08 23:16:19 I'm cpp programmer Dec 08 23:17:14 you can't be "new" I've seen you in here before :P Dec 08 23:17:59 * sugardave has already tired of burning brush in the tiny, decorative, copper fire bowl Dec 09 00:13:58 ah CTLAdvance welcome back... Dec 09 00:14:10 Thanks Dec 09 00:14:12 whats up Dec 09 00:15:15 just pushing the web forward Dec 09 00:15:17 you? Dec 09 00:15:28 like a big ass rock up a hill :) Dec 09 00:15:56 not much Dec 09 00:16:04 waiting for halfhalo to come out of the closet Dec 09 00:16:16 oh and thinking of dinner Dec 09 00:16:32 out of the closet how? Dec 09 00:16:51 he likes to go into the closet Dec 09 00:17:06 halfhalo: come out of the closet Dec 09 00:17:28 How did your image store work Dec 09 00:17:45 * halfhalo slaps both of you and goes back to studying Dec 09 00:18:26 CTLAdvance: so far so good, have also been revamping UI and building in hardware accelerated transforms Dec 09 00:19:01 CTLAdvance: it's a key:value system, so I need to figure out a way to create keys and store the keys so the application knows what to look for if there are n saved images or 1 saved image Dec 09 00:19:14 nice Dec 09 00:19:32 * CTLAdvance takes halfhalos pencil Dec 09 00:20:39 oh Dec 09 00:21:45 wow Dec 09 00:21:49 what a rip off Dec 09 00:22:10 http://www.bgr.com/2010/12/08/blackberry-playbook-hands-on-video-demo/ Dec 09 00:22:18 I feel like they just took the source from webOS Dec 09 00:22:28 and made minor mods to it Dec 09 00:24:08 bah Dec 09 00:24:16 now im in here twice Dec 09 00:32:35 WHOA Dec 09 00:32:37 NAME CHANGES Dec 09 00:32:45 CTLAdvance2 is now CTLAdvance Dec 09 00:32:52 soon PALM will be known as HP :) Dec 09 00:33:14 did you see that link I posted Dec 09 00:41:34 no Dec 09 00:44:02 why is this listener bitching that my handlerFunction isn't a function :C Dec 09 00:53:11 Can anyone see anything blatently wrong with this? Dec 09 00:53:11 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("down"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.sendKey(271)); Dec 09 00:53:52 MainAssistant.prototype.sendKey = function(key) { Dec 09 00:54:04 I can't figure out why it says that this.sendKey is not a function. Dec 09 00:54:50 bind it Dec 09 00:54:53 by doing this.sendKey(271) you're actually sending what sendKey returns as the listener Dec 09 00:55:58 so add, .bind(this) to it? Dec 09 00:56:51 no, he's saying you need to send this.sendKey Dec 09 00:57:29 and have it absorb the key inside the funtion, so that you're not passing arguments to sendKey Dec 09 00:58:02 oil: is that correct? Dec 09 00:58:38 just this.sendKey or this.sendKey.bind(this) Dec 09 00:58:41 would both work Dec 09 00:58:52 so I can't pass a value along with it? Dec 09 00:59:27 you can Dec 09 00:59:37 this.sendKey.bind(this, 271) Dec 09 01:00:02 and that's the story of how oil added mustaches to the cows Dec 09 01:00:27 ahhhh Dec 09 01:01:21 that's really counter intuitive, but thank you! Dec 09 01:02:19 lol Dec 09 01:02:40 well, you bind it so "this" is still the scene assistant when you're in the callback Dec 09 01:03:18 I tried binding it, but never thought that the value passed along would need to go in with the .bind() Dec 09 01:25:59 does the playbook have a vertical mode or what Dec 09 01:26:15 a tablet without a vertical keyboard is a derp on a derp Dec 09 01:31:02 oil: thanks for helping me figure that out Dec 09 01:31:09 np Dec 09 01:40:33 now to figure out horizontal scrollers! :V Dec 09 01:49:05 torchie - who knows, its like an exact copy of webOS Dec 09 01:50:08 including gestures Dec 09 01:50:17 yeah they ripped it hard Dec 09 01:50:36 from the cards, to the gesture area, to the lack-of-high-framerate-transitions Dec 09 01:50:44 my guess is they launch this before we get new webOS devices and people are like webOS wha? Dec 09 01:50:47 they got everything except for the "well-designed and solidly-architectured" part Dec 09 01:50:58 going to be hard to distinguish webOS from it Dec 09 01:51:20 HP has to pull an apple and be like, IT'S COMING OUT TOMORROW Dec 09 01:51:29 well, the hardware "looks" well designed Dec 09 01:51:36 I'm not talking about the hardware Dec 09 01:51:46 yes but they need more than that Dec 09 01:51:56 most will reply Dec 09 01:51:57 who cares Dec 09 01:52:04 playbook's UI design is pretty weak, and everything's based around adobe AIR and all that noise Dec 09 01:52:07 they need to come out and cust someones head off Dec 09 01:52:08 er... Dec 09 01:52:14 well Dec 09 01:52:27 alot of it is HTML5 Dec 09 01:52:33 if HP just slaps the phone webOS onto a tablet they'll have big problems Dec 09 01:52:39 yes they will Dec 09 01:53:26 they'll need to come up with an similarly interface innovation to cards to scale up to the tablet screen Dec 09 01:53:29 also Dec 09 01:53:29 all takes time, the question is what will be the great differentiator in a sea of linux builds Dec 09 01:53:32 * torchie fingers crossed for 10 inch Dec 09 01:53:51 cards should scale just fine Dec 09 01:54:39 they also have to fight against the bombardment of windows 7 tablets Dec 09 01:54:41 coming Dec 09 01:56:22 what ever happens 2011 will be a wild ride. Dec 09 01:56:56 lol Dec 09 01:57:05 windows 7 tablets are stupid though Dec 09 01:57:15 not really Dec 09 01:57:36 you only think that because companies were too dumb to put out good hardware Dec 09 01:57:44 we've been trying the windows-x86 tablet thing for years and then the ipad comes along and wrecks everyone's shit Dec 09 01:57:52 well how good are we talking here? Dec 09 01:58:09 the fact that they are using atoms is part of it Dec 09 01:58:38 what x86 system can we put in a tablet thinner, lighter, and longer-lasting than a tablet with an arm system? Dec 09 02:00:33 Maybe not thinner/lighter, but you can get almost as much battery life from most of AMD's current lineup Dec 09 02:00:51 I don't know, but the the new AMD APU stuff looks like it has a lot of potential Dec 09 02:00:52 I get 4 hours on my amd quad core on 3/4 power Dec 09 02:01:04 at least the same battery life as atom with a lot more power Dec 09 02:01:09 thats a 4 cell Dec 09 02:01:15 i get more on 6 and 12 Dec 09 02:01:58 "almost" huh Dec 09 02:02:01 just "almost?" Dec 09 02:02:26 yes Dec 09 02:02:50 and im talking full scale, crap the i3 would be a better suit than atoms Dec 09 02:03:34 and what of the whole "windows" part Dec 09 02:03:40 what about it Dec 09 02:04:18 you know, with the scrollbars and the cascading window system and the mouse hovering and the onscreen keyboard that people, in demo videos, sit around moving around Dec 09 02:04:50 if they have implemented the windows api for touch they should work fine Dec 09 02:05:01 IE9 works fine scrolling zooming etc on a tablet Dec 09 02:05:38 pinch to zoom? Dec 09 02:06:16 I believe so Dec 09 02:06:27 is that the whole pinching thing? Dec 09 02:06:32 good pinch to zoom? Dec 09 02:06:41 lol Dec 09 02:06:55 ok maybe could be a bit more fluent, its probably on a webOS level Dec 09 02:06:56 not IOS Dec 09 02:07:06 webOS on pre 1 Dec 09 02:07:21 havent used a pre 2 yet Dec 09 02:10:24 heh Dec 09 02:10:26 mom came to visit Dec 09 02:10:32 shes in the living room playing bejeweled blitz Dec 09 02:10:37 im in the office playing bejewled blitz Dec 09 02:10:46 its crazy loud ;p Dec 09 02:19:18 stupid gps icon patch seems to screw up my phone, had to doctor it... :/ jfying. Dec 09 02:19:44 wait a minute. Dec 09 02:19:55 IE9. Dec 09 02:20:01 high powered x86. Dec 09 02:20:09 choppy zooming? Dec 09 02:21:18 bad aftertaste. Dec 09 02:21:29 just tested again on my tx screen Dec 09 02:21:34 seems to work fine Dec 09 02:24:45 now the question becomes also can you count pinch to zoom from a multi touch trackpad also Dec 09 02:24:49 because on my toshiba Dec 09 02:24:54 pinch to zoom is flawless Dec 09 02:25:22 which tells me that if the hardware is implemented correctly, it is fine Dec 09 02:26:39 the only thing it doesnt do, is animate the zoom, it just goes, and does it properly Dec 09 02:29:05 looks like its because it goes in increments of 5%, I wonder if that can be changed Dec 09 02:29:53 anyways ill save this for the microsoft channel Dec 09 02:29:58 back to webOS Dec 09 02:54:31 will we forever have to open the application to start its notification service Dec 09 02:58:13 you can add your appid to luna.conf and have it launched on boot like email/sms/etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 09 02:59:57 2010