**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 17 02:59:59 2010 Dec 17 03:04:18 so epocrates is leaving webOS Dec 17 03:04:59 I for one would like to point out, in the past development studios have left when palm chooses an alternative Dec 17 03:05:02 look at quick office Dec 17 03:05:04 that is all Dec 17 03:45:41 does anyone's pre2 work in the catalog? Dec 17 03:46:01 err, the catalog work on it Dec 17 03:46:27 i bought something with my pre2 tonight Dec 17 03:46:43 hmm, did you bypass activation? Dec 17 03:47:11 mine is at 2.0.0 and it won't update either Dec 17 03:47:51 you need a palm profile to be able to use the app catalog Dec 17 03:48:07 how do you bypass activation and still make a profile? Dec 17 03:48:46 i bought a prepaid data sim from att and didn't bypass activation Dec 17 03:49:08 hrmmm Dec 17 03:52:09 Tibfib: run first use on wifi Dec 17 03:52:23 how do you run first use? Dec 17 03:53:57 * halfhalo doesn't remember Dec 17 03:54:22 * Tibfib googles Dec 17 04:03:07 * DougReeder waves hello Dec 17 04:05:10 * DougReeder waves hello (again) Dec 17 04:05:56 Tibfib: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"i Dec 17 04:05:57 d":"com.palm.app.firstuse"}' Dec 17 04:06:02 Apparently wIRC log you out if you toss away the server messages card Dec 17 04:06:03 wow, that's a bad break lol Dec 17 04:06:28 DougReeder: yep, ever since the service was combined with the app. It's a good feature imo, so you don't have 8 ghosts floating around :p Dec 17 04:06:31 zsoc: will I have to activate it? or will it just "create" a profile? Dec 17 04:06:33 yeah Dec 17 04:07:00 Tibfib: well you need to turn your wifi on and have a working connection. after that you can just create a profile Dec 17 04:07:07 sweet Dec 17 04:07:08 thanks! Dec 17 04:09:18 my reflex is to assume IRC works like a MOO but it doesn't. Dec 17 04:09:31 * zsoc licks DougReeder Dec 17 04:09:51 ... Dec 17 04:10:05 * DougReeder grimaces Dec 17 04:10:37 * zsoc looks at DougReeder, DougReeder is a stauch young lad. He is wearing Wooden mail and leather slacks. You see light glistening off his slicked back greasy black hair. Dec 17 04:11:08 * DougReeder snorts Dec 17 04:11:26 * halfhalo brings out zsocs special wrap-around white jacket Dec 17 04:11:27 it's because the plugin object is in the list scene Dec 17 04:11:37 when it's gone,so is the plugin Dec 17 04:11:40 Maybe my mistake was assuming by 'MOO' you were referring to an Object Oriented MUD. Dec 17 04:11:58 that's it Dec 17 04:12:10 Maybe my mistake was choosing such creepy MUD references. Dec 17 04:13:03 I don't suppose there's a @gag command? Dec 17 04:13:37 No but I think there's a trout command somewhere Dec 17 04:14:28 ... Dec 17 04:15:04 * zsoc slaps halfhalo around with a large trout Dec 17 04:15:33 * halfhalo slaps zsoc with a large, frames compatible php based trout Dec 17 04:16:30 halfhalo: Windows IIS MsSQL PHP = WIMP Dec 17 04:16:52 :D Dec 17 04:16:57 touch("halfhalo") Dec 17 04:17:12 php jokes aren't funny, they are just.. kinda lame Dec 17 04:17:18 yup Dec 17 04:17:40 Since getting a Pre2, I don't use the center button on my pre as much Dec 17 04:17:50 * halfhalo never really used it Dec 17 04:20:14 hmm, what's the simplest to get command line access on my pre2? Dec 17 04:20:29 I haven't done it forever, and woqi is borked Dec 17 04:20:37 with 2.0 Dec 17 04:20:52 Tibfib: open a shell, type "novaterm" Dec 17 04:21:52 keeps freezing... lemme wait a bit Dec 17 04:22:17 do I need to specify a ip? or keep it at localhost? Dec 17 04:22:28 just novaterm Dec 17 04:22:50 Tibfib: uh.. are you on a mac or something? Dec 17 04:22:53 Tibfib: just 'novaterm' Dec 17 04:23:08 oh, on windows, typing novaterm opens up novaterm itself Dec 17 04:23:29 * Tibfib is probably doing it wrong Dec 17 04:23:31 Tibfib: Windows? Like the X Window System? Dec 17 04:23:44 windows 7 Dec 17 04:23:52 .... Dec 17 04:24:06 you have 7 tty's open at once? Dec 17 04:24:08 open cmd, type novaterm. done Dec 17 04:24:09 that could be the problem Dec 17 04:24:14 display: is probably getting confused Dec 17 04:24:34 Tibfib: "novacom -l" should show your device Dec 17 04:24:40 halfhalo: that opens up the novaterm programs which freezes Dec 17 04:24:46 zsoc: kk Dec 17 04:24:46 Tibfib: if it doesn't than devmode isn't on or drivers aren't installer properly Dec 17 04:26:09 bah.. unplugging and replugging it in got it work properly Dec 17 04:26:30 I had been installing apps to it fine Dec 17 04:29:44 hmmm, it shows me the "firstuse" gesture tutorial >.< Dec 17 04:30:25 Tibfib: are you sure it's not logged into a profile? Dec 17 04:30:46 Tibfib: check the device info app Dec 17 04:31:08 all the apps say "dr. skipped first use" and device info comes up blank Dec 17 04:31:22 hmm i sec Dec 17 04:34:25 shoot, I gotta go to bed, thanks for your help zsoc, sorry to run Dec 17 04:35:16 Tibfib: n/p, we'll fix it later :) Dec 17 04:37:01 I guess it's possible the firstuse app is removed when bypassed. you may have to redoctor Dec 17 04:40:17 that hasn't been my experience Dec 17 04:41:12 DougReeder: if you use palm's method of bypassing activating, i believe you have to do a full wipe to get it back. otherwise you have to use the metadoctor to run it later Dec 17 04:41:17 at least in my experience Dec 17 04:41:53 I admit, i've not looked deeply into it Dec 17 04:44:44 unless... Dec 17 04:47:50 * halfhalo got nuthin Dec 17 04:51:00 * DougReeder waves goodnight Dec 17 05:15:04 Tibfib: you just need to remove /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use Dec 17 05:15:09 then reboot Dec 17 05:17:02 bah, rebooting is for windows Dec 17 05:17:26 ok, stop LunaSysMgr; start LunaSysMgr Dec 17 05:17:32 easier to just say "reboot" though Dec 17 05:17:32 much better Dec 17 05:17:38 same effect Dec 17 06:26:54 howdy! Dec 17 06:32:33 is there a way to get a list of all the apps (and maybe even patches) I have installed? Dec 17 06:35:22 ajay: palm-log -l should give you a list of applications installed Dec 17 06:36:37 Preware "Installed Packages" list Dec 17 06:39:13 zsoc: nice! Dec 17 06:40:03 rwhitby: I was lookin more for a txt file, but maybe I can save the installed pkgs list from preware.. Dec 17 06:40:18 Am I misunderstanding, or shouldn't it be possible to activate a SIM-less dev device over wifi? Dec 17 06:40:18 ajay: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed Dec 17 06:41:05 although what you really want to do is to use Save/Restore to save your "Saved Packages List" from Preware Dec 17 06:41:16 cause then you can restore them automatically on a new device Dec 17 06:41:18 I am pretty sure I'm following the directions online, but dunno if not having a SIM matters Dec 17 06:42:12 rwhitby: Yeah I'm going to do that for sure, but I was also flirting with writing a blog post mentioning what I have installed (pkgs & patches ideally), partially for my own future ref (a la journalling) Dec 17 06:43:00 rwhitby: so vpn on 2.0. Does that mean that all my data traffic is encrypted and sent through my vpn? Any knowledge or thoughts? Dec 17 06:43:41 alexfner: no idea. I don't have anything to test it with Dec 17 06:44:04 rwhitby: thought you had a device from dev day...? Dec 17 06:44:15 which I did not attend, but has been reading about Dec 17 06:44:17 alexfner: I have the client, not the server Dec 17 06:44:56 ah Dec 17 06:47:12 man I wish there was a new webOS phone out for sprint Dec 17 06:47:19 cause my pre is dieing as we speak Dec 17 06:47:24 hinge mechanism, gone Dec 17 06:47:31 outer plastic, chipped away Dec 17 06:47:40 touchscreen is less and less responsive by the day Dec 17 06:47:52 becoming a real hassle of a device to use Dec 17 06:48:23 Palm should just give away all the old Pre's to loyal users! Dec 17 06:48:29 maybe the +'s too.. Dec 17 06:49:03 heh Dec 17 06:49:23 and the Pre2's to devs EVERYWHERE Dec 17 06:49:26 rwhitby: are the transitions on 2.0 UI hardware accel transforms? Am I asking the wrong person herE? Dec 17 06:49:53 yep. I know the launcher is, but I know nothing about anything else. Dec 17 06:50:25 it looks to be incredibly slick Dec 17 07:04:41 when will there be a rwhitby-post ? Dec 17 07:05:15 tomorrow Dec 17 07:33:36 Mornings Dec 17 07:48:24 Can the initial boot logo be changed easily enough, or only the 2nd (flashing) version? Dec 17 07:49:25 Do you wonna remove the hp ? :) Dec 17 07:49:39 Or Palm ? Dec 17 07:50:15 I love stuff that mentions samples... And then doesn't include the samples :/ Dec 17 07:50:27 lol? Dec 17 07:52:26 hotdp: I want to remove the HP if it ever crops up! Dec 17 07:52:39 hehe Dec 17 07:53:36 oh cool! it even refers to figures that aren't there Dec 17 07:53:48 yo yo Dec 17 07:53:56 "for more information, refer to Figure 1" *there's no Figure 1 anywhere on the page* Dec 17 07:54:13 Is it a copy/paste article? Dec 17 07:54:25 wher he "forgot" to copy images Dec 17 07:54:30 ahaha Dec 17 07:54:33 Looking at it? Dec 17 07:54:38

Figure 1

Dec 17 07:54:44 There isn't even an IMG tag. :C Dec 17 07:54:53 maybe its a ref? Dec 17 07:55:19 I guess. Dec 17 07:55:47 Well this is annoying. Dec 17 07:56:02 :) Dec 17 07:56:09 whats it about? Dec 17 09:00:38 What's the difference between "app-assistant.js" and "stage-assistant.js?" Dec 17 09:03:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OfQdYrHRs&feature=player_embedded Dec 17 09:03:26 O.O Dec 17 09:05:40 hey oil Dec 17 09:08:41 stage asistant is for one stage apps Dec 17 09:09:07 app assistant is needed when you write a multi-stage app or want your app relaucnhed with arguments Dec 17 09:09:13 and app-assistant is for multi-stage? hmm... Dec 17 09:09:34 the german app-catalog has issues Dec 17 09:09:36 * oil always goes app-assistant Dec 17 09:09:51 * MetaView only if needed Dec 17 09:09:52 So even if I had a single stage app, I can just skip the stage-assistant and do it that way? Dec 17 09:10:00 yes Dec 17 09:10:04 I need it to catch params Dec 17 09:10:12 then you need an app-assistant Dec 17 09:10:14 seems dumb that you couldn't do that with a stage-assistant Dec 17 09:10:30 you could, but then the args only recognized on launch Dec 17 09:10:35 not on relaunch Dec 17 09:15:06 is there a way to get the camera folder to autoincrement its name? (e.g. 101PALM, etc.. like a normal camera!) Dec 17 09:15:29 does it create more than one folder? Dec 17 09:27:05 hmm Dec 17 09:27:18 What do i write in cmd to get the linux console? Dec 17 09:27:34 (for isntalling preware cia comandline) Dec 17 09:27:49 novaterm Dec 17 09:32:42 novaterm? Dec 17 09:32:46 is that installed? Dec 17 09:33:02 i wrote something in cmd but can't remember Dec 17 09:35:38 It should be, if you installed the SDK Dec 17 09:40:55 novacom -t open tty:// FYI Dec 17 09:41:51 novaterm was installed in previous SDK's Dec 17 09:42:19 ah Dec 17 10:08:20 ttfn Dec 17 10:12:24 ttfn? Dec 17 10:17:39 tata for now! Dec 17 10:26:05 is it normal that when updating apache on an ubuntu syste, it removes phph? Dec 17 13:33:59 5 apps ready for review... Palm already went into Holidays? Dec 17 13:37:07 heh, I wish I had that schedule Dec 17 13:37:20 you'd think they'd at least have a few interns to throw it at though Dec 17 13:37:53 would you really want interns deciding the fate of your apps for the holiday season? Dec 17 13:50:40 MetaView Adora said something about beein busy Dec 17 13:53:54 100s of santa tracker apps Dec 17 13:54:26 100000 soundboards Dec 17 13:54:29 98258342 books Dec 17 13:54:36 hi guys Dec 17 13:55:13 I have the mojo sdk running on my linux computer Dec 17 13:55:23 i want to access the terminal of webos Dec 17 13:55:30 how can i do that Dec 17 13:59:52 hi Dec 17 14:00:08 have you looked at webos internals? Dec 17 14:00:25 seiflotfy: you have the emulator running? Dec 17 14:01:02 you can get an in-emulator terminal running by installing Terminal from the webos internals group Dec 17 14:01:21 what do you need the terminal for? Dec 17 14:01:23 hotdp, how do i install those Dec 17 14:02:08 I cant find a store Dec 17 14:02:20 fahhem, i want to see if python is installed Dec 17 14:02:29 and if not i want to compile it from source :) Dec 17 14:02:31 to work on palm Dec 17 14:03:40 i dont think it is installed :) Dec 17 14:04:09 as fahhem said, is it a emulator or device you would like to look at? Dec 17 14:06:09 i just ran "python" and "python2.5" on my pre, nothing Dec 17 14:06:59 so now you'd need to find a python implementation that works for ARM systems, maybe CPYthon?, and cross-compile it for the pre Dec 17 14:07:50 though you can probably compile your python scripts/programs to C/C++ with Cython or Shedskin Dec 17 14:08:30 saving you the trouble of that cross-compile and keeping your device from slowing down even more from python scripts/programs Dec 17 14:16:21 dawm: syfy canceled sgu? Dec 17 14:16:26 that's lame Dec 17 14:21:43 http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/item/21252-4200-windows-phone-7-apps-now-available not many days before it was more then webos :s Dec 17 14:23:44 hotdp: they aren't correct in their article: Dec 17 14:23:59 Android: 900 per day, Apple 1000 per day Dec 17 14:24:12 "However, the Android market is seeing faster growth and could outpace Apple in the long run." Dec 17 14:24:17 Question: how? Dec 17 14:24:55 Palm needs new devices which hopefully boost app sales and bring back devs Dec 17 14:26:37 the enyo framework should increase app development if it delivers the 1-second load times and easier coding promises Dec 17 14:26:37 yeah, because i need a new device Dec 17 14:27:57 MetaView i was thinking on the total number of win 7 apps Dec 17 14:29:38 hotdp: yes, I understand this, just complaining about the article at whole Dec 17 14:30:09 fahhem: coding isn't difficult in Mojo, at least not for the existing devices Dec 17 14:45:17 I've had many frustrating experiences where I needed several nested divs and specific CSS to get things to work Dec 17 14:45:45 I was just trying to use Ares again but I'm just as frustrated by that Dec 17 14:46:17 it's missing some of the most common UI widgets and doesn't actually support absolution positioning from the bottom/right Dec 17 14:53:34 bbl Dec 17 14:56:54 fahhem, i feel you... ares frustrates the living eff out of me :( Dec 17 15:07:39 it doesn't help that, as a java app, I will never afford the 3GHz and 72GB of RAM it wants Dec 17 15:57:13 fahhem ares isn't for everyone. Dec 17 16:00:29 i understand, hence why i'm hoping enyo is as good as it seems Dec 17 16:27:53 I'm sure as heck anxious to see it. Dec 17 16:35:05 Aaarg, put on a new InvisShield.. went on perfectly... Except for the friggin little pet hair that floated on the sticky side..... Grrrmp.. hahaha eh, not too bad i guess.. glad there just a couple of bucks.. :)) Dec 17 16:36:09 already caught myself trying to wipe it off.. i'll get use to it.. :/ heh Dec 17 16:50:11 morning folks Dec 17 16:50:47 morning, LoneStar99 Dec 17 16:59:52 Good morning everyone Dec 17 17:05:51 Good Morning Adora Dec 17 17:11:43 Morning CTLAdvance Dec 17 17:11:55 How are you doing today Dec 17 17:12:58 fine, and you? Dec 17 17:14:06 mornin CTLAdv Dec 17 17:14:26 & hotdp. Dec 17 17:14:59 mornin (insert random #webos participant) Dec 17 17:15:28 Damn christmas presents Dec 17 17:15:39 I always knew I was just a variable in the universe.... thanks 1/2halo.. :) Dec 17 17:15:53 er, haeffb.. :) Dec 17 17:16:15 haha hotdp.. I hear ya. Dec 17 17:16:30 cash works, & gift cards.. ;) Dec 17 17:16:42 how the HELL do you mix up 1/2halo with haeffb... I mean... cmon... Dec 17 17:17:03 small screen, and tired eyes.. 8) Dec 17 17:17:27 I think a gift card for my gf is a NO GO Dec 17 17:17:42 have been all over the city and the thing she want is sold out Dec 17 17:17:52 lol.. erm, you tried that balrog-k1n 4 eh? :) hehe Dec 17 17:18:00 doin well thanks Dec 17 17:18:00 gdam spell thing Dec 17 17:19:47 good ta hear it halfhalo.. I mean CTLAdvance... ;) Dec 17 17:20:05 heh Dec 17 17:20:14 halfhalo: I will fight you for exclusive rights to all irc nicks beginning with "ha" Dec 17 17:20:26 heh Dec 17 17:20:27 how do you mix up .5halo with CTLAdv... Dec 17 17:20:37 ha Dec 17 17:20:46 haa Dec 17 17:20:48 I laugh at your nickname Dec 17 17:20:53 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dec 17 17:21:03 muwhahahahaa Dec 17 17:21:27 stereo typical native american laugh is so much better ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dec 17 17:21:38 heh Dec 17 17:23:26 * solix thinks everyone should add 'half' to their nicks.. :) hehe Dec 17 17:24:11 ok Dec 17 17:24:21 lol Dec 17 17:24:37 * halfCTLAdvance ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dec 17 17:24:56 hahaaa Dec 17 17:25:06 halfhalo: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Dec 17 17:25:11 omg Dec 17 17:25:12 what would be be funny if we could get all 90 channel members to do it Dec 17 17:25:45 when halfhalo is offscreen....qait, he's NEVER offscreen... ;) Dec 17 17:25:59 hotdp: all christmas shopping is now done online. why are you wandering around the city? Dec 17 17:26:07 lol Dec 17 17:26:16 half: its not all done online Dec 17 17:26:20 I need to touch and feel Dec 17 17:26:22 then buy online Dec 17 17:26:34 :D Dec 17 17:26:37 heh, Dec 17 17:26:46 I could make so many jokes from that Dec 17 17:26:47 bestbuy is like $$$$$ then NOOOOOOOOOOO Dec 17 17:27:03 halfhaeffb i am looking online know. i dont think they make presents online? then i have to do it myself :S Dec 17 17:27:25 hotdp your response is not recognised unless your username includes half Dec 17 17:27:32 make presents? like giftwrap? Dec 17 17:27:51 yer Dec 17 17:27:53 giftwrap Dec 17 17:27:55 amazon will giftwrap for $d extra Dec 17 17:27:59 $4 Dec 17 17:28:20 ADORA! Dec 17 17:28:24 is amazon.com in EU? Dec 17 17:28:26 PAAAAALMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!! Dec 17 17:28:27 hehe, hell, some places will even do the shopping for you... :P Dec 17 17:28:32 amazon.eu is Dec 17 17:28:33 halfadora Dec 17 17:28:43 hehe Dec 17 17:28:44 halfPAAAAALMMMMMMMMMMM Dec 17 17:28:46 * halfhalo laughs at his army Dec 17 17:28:54 lol Dec 17 17:28:58 GO DO MY BIDDING OR SUFFER MY WRATH Dec 17 17:29:08 funny.. Dec 17 17:29:12 * halfhaeffb chooses wrath Dec 17 17:29:15 * halfCTLAdvance takes down the person who calls himself our leader Dec 17 17:29:38 * halfCTLAdvance makes himself the leader Dec 17 17:29:44 PUT HALFHALO IN TEH CLOSET! Dec 17 17:29:52 bidding doesn't sound like much fun Dec 17 17:29:53 * halfCTLAdvance removes himself as leader Dec 17 17:30:19 action should be required Dec 17 17:30:22 we only have half a leader?? crap. :) Dec 17 17:30:25 epic fail Dec 17 17:30:56 on the other hand, halfhalo, what's your ebay account info. I may have time to do some bidding... Dec 17 17:31:38 * halfhalo gets his crowbar Dec 17 17:37:48 torchis should now change his nick to halftorchie Dec 17 17:37:56 torchie Dec 17 17:38:19 that didn't work :/ Dec 17 17:38:44 :o Dec 17 17:38:55 * torchie halftorchie Dec 17 17:38:57 er Dec 17 17:39:23 * halfHattCzech taps fingers... Dec 17 17:39:32 Hello Half Dec 17 17:39:32 excellent... now we have a half army Dec 17 17:39:44 its the halfers Dec 17 17:49:04 this is turning out to be a half productive day. . . Dec 17 17:50:16 the halfers.. erm, not to intimidating, but eh. :) Dec 17 17:55:45 why would it half to be intimidating Dec 17 17:57:47 well, army.. suggests, fighting.. ;) Dec 17 17:59:02 hey chuq.. Dec 17 17:59:07 is halfadora around Dec 17 17:59:20 Hey its halfchuqui Dec 17 17:59:27 hahaa.. Dec 17 18:01:43 is anybody else's twee constantly notifying of "new mentions" when it's really just the same one over and over Dec 17 18:03:37 Chuqui? Dec 17 18:03:54 yo. Dec 17 18:05:30 Hows your friday going Dec 17 18:05:53 so far, it's friday. Dec 17 18:11:09 woo! Dec 17 18:13:24 * halfsolix had his 'Friday' 2 days ago.. :/ Dec 17 18:16:02 friday was last night Dec 17 18:16:05 trooooooon Dec 17 18:17:30 ohhhh... it hasn't came to my town yet.. need to see that tho! Dec 17 18:18:08 going to watch the original with my 7 & 10 yr olds... hehe 'bring them up to speed' ;) Dec 17 18:18:36 original of what? Dec 17 18:19:00 tron Dec 17 18:19:06 friday the 13th? Dec 17 18:19:09 oh, tron Dec 17 18:19:17 haha.... ahh, no. :) Dec 17 18:19:40 not f 13th.. nor any of the 13 cuts.. heh Dec 17 18:20:30 actually, was thinking, more like SAW.. ;) lul... Dec 17 18:21:07 man I really want to see the original tron now lol Dec 17 18:21:17 I bet they're selling it on DVD to coincide with the new one Dec 17 18:21:22 i did manage to sit through the first SAW, tried the 2 or 3(?), but just to much. Dec 17 18:21:30 aere we done with half in our names? Dec 17 18:21:31 yeah,that would be great Dec 17 18:22:01 slowly... we will disband Dec 17 18:22:05 hehe Dec 17 18:22:08 So given this array -> http://pastebin.com/tsWCA999 Dec 17 18:22:37 can I use indexOf to match a uID ... or do I need to loop through it? Dec 17 18:24:20 was thinking something along the lines of --- someArray.indexOf("0102").uID --- but that's obviously not how that would work Dec 17 18:25:18 no Dec 17 18:25:33 I guess, IndexOf will rather compare the whole element Dec 17 18:25:38 loop Dec 17 18:26:33 or use a hash instead of an array Dec 17 18:27:20 what do you mean? Dec 17 18:28:33 that's just a simple example of what my real array actually looks like... the real array actually has some more array objects within each member, down to two or three levels Dec 17 18:30:45 someHash['0102'] = {...} Dec 17 18:30:57 or loop through the array Dec 17 18:31:41 but I'm pretty sure indexOf won't work for what you want to do Dec 17 18:31:55 yeah Dec 17 18:32:15 hmm... Dec 17 18:32:20 thanks for the input Dec 17 18:36:07 would the app perform better if i implemented a class to handle hash tables, rather than using arrays and constantly looping them to find indexes? Dec 17 18:36:58 i might only have a handful of members in each array containing 20-30 literals Dec 17 18:46:55 yes Dec 17 19:39:46 but a javascript object is already a hash? Dec 17 19:41:32 ? Dec 17 19:41:36 sugardave who are you tlaking to ? Dec 17 19:41:42 ahh Dec 17 19:41:48 I"m an hour late :D Dec 17 19:41:55 i see :P Dec 17 19:41:55 vacation started today, slept long Dec 17 19:42:00 NICE Dec 17 19:44:16 I was expecting 2 games from GameFly today, but they're late, too....dammit Dec 17 19:44:51 no games for the weekend Dec 17 19:45:35 s'alright, I have to fix a couple of things on this app and also have house projects Dec 17 19:45:55 house projects? Dec 17 19:45:59 christmas stuff? Dec 17 19:46:36 no, I have to replace a toilet seat and hang a light fixture in another bathroom...there are more things, but I'd need to ask my wife and she's out spending money Dec 17 19:46:51 ohh noo Dec 17 19:50:41 sugardave: your money? Dec 17 19:50:42 heheh Dec 17 19:50:59 it's Dec 17 19:51:03 "our" money Dec 17 19:51:08 ahhh Dec 17 19:51:13 but yeah, I earned all of it Dec 17 19:51:16 ;) Dec 17 19:51:23 well, it goes along with the... Dec 17 19:51:37 my money is our money and your money is your money... Dec 17 19:51:47 that's it Dec 17 19:52:38 the our / my is VERY importent Dec 17 19:52:59 but its not our vigina :P Dec 17 19:54:14 * hotdp thinks that might be over the line Dec 17 19:55:47 hahaha Dec 17 19:56:10 it's also not my turn to cook dinner Dec 17 19:56:15 so it works out Dec 17 19:56:21 i see ;) Dec 17 20:00:33 hotdp, due to your nick, you're not allowed to use words like vagina Dec 17 20:00:43 lol Dec 17 20:00:53 quick glances at the window makes me double take Dec 17 20:09:26 could a native speaker check this? http://webos.pastebin.com/TiE4Fgz1 Dec 17 20:15:11 mugen- thanks :D Dec 17 20:16:07 MetaView, your grammer/syntax is correct and it sounds good... if you wanted to change it and sound more formal, you could use the changes I submitted Dec 17 20:16:08 http://webos.pastebin.com/MjhzzXgi Dec 17 20:16:40 hotdp, :) Dec 17 20:17:58 mugen-: cool, thx, will use yours but with 'such a filter', because there are filters which you see very well even on the original photo res Dec 17 20:18:16 np :) Dec 17 20:19:14 MetaView, you could also say rather than "such a filter" -> "certain filters" Dec 17 20:20:07 * funkatron rides the snake Dec 17 20:20:22 hmm Dec 17 20:21:26 lol Dec 17 20:21:27 :) Dec 17 20:24:10 god olivia wilde is wow Dec 17 20:24:18 she needs to come back to house already Dec 17 20:25:03 mugen-: saw tron? Dec 17 20:25:21 not yet... probably tonight or tomorrow. you? Dec 17 20:25:33 haven't yet. Dec 17 20:25:40 can't wait. Dec 17 20:25:42 _very_ excited Dec 17 20:25:45 :) Dec 17 20:25:49 Been waiting for it since I heard they were making it Dec 17 20:25:53 oh god yes Dec 17 20:26:00 I want to see it, yes Dec 17 20:26:01 it's been a long ass 10 months Dec 17 20:26:22 and from all the reviews saying "the plot sucks" or "there's no story" bla bla bla Dec 17 20:26:28 that's exactly like the first! Dec 17 20:26:37 I only read Tron Guy's review Dec 17 20:26:38 lol... Dec 17 20:26:58 it was ALWAYS about pushing the visual tech and the wow factor Dec 17 20:27:01 there is totally a story in the first one Dec 17 20:27:16 yeah, but it's not really a great story Dec 17 20:27:18 reviews are always biased, or just stupid.. on movies that is Dec 17 20:27:26 there's no tragedy, no world epidemic Dec 17 20:27:42 xcatly. no blood & gore Dec 17 20:27:49 it's just a guy that gets sucked into a computer Dec 17 20:27:57 hehe... Dec 17 20:28:07 but it's the struggly of humanity versus machine Dec 17 20:28:12 by MagicWandin Incest/Taboo01/29/024.52 Dec 17 20:28:12 just makes me laugh.. great show Dec 17 20:28:22 lol Dec 17 20:28:23 wtf was that? Dec 17 20:28:28 LOL Dec 17 20:28:35 hahha Dec 17 20:28:45 whooops Dec 17 20:28:56 I like what the creator of tron said about scanning jeff bridges with the laser was 100% only a plot point in the movie to be able to get the guy into the computer yet for this movie they scanned him with a laser to get him into the computer so they could youngify him Dec 17 20:29:01 that is just so cool Dec 17 20:29:06 I didn't even hit paste or any keystroke near that Dec 17 20:29:39 uh huh ;) Dec 17 20:29:52 heheeh Dec 17 20:29:57 :P it's funny, though Dec 17 20:29:58 it was evil jeff bridges in your computator Dec 17 20:34:12 so how about that xbmc + kinect hack... i've been waiting for that since msoft released the details for project natal Dec 17 20:34:52 halfsugerdave.. is that anything like Slenda or Stevia? ;) hehe, steviadave/slendadave... all the goodness, half the calories. :) Dec 17 20:39:33 mugen-: kintex? Dec 17 20:40:05 was thinkin/hopeful ;) but wouldn't it be cool, if a new client to PalmPre phones would be asked if they would like to install Preware, like within the FirstUse scenario.. :) Dec 17 20:40:38 xbox stuff I think gkatsev.. ? Dec 17 20:40:58 there wasn't supposed to be a t there. Dec 17 20:41:21 solix: yeah, I was wondering if he was referring to the kinect sex, or as I tried to call it the kinex Dec 17 20:41:42 blame it on spellcheckers gkatsev, that's what I always do.. ;) Dec 17 20:41:56 heheh.. @previous Dec 17 20:42:25 oh, xbmc +kinect, lol Dec 17 20:42:32 :) Dec 17 20:42:45 yeah... using the xbox360 kinect and the xbmc software Dec 17 20:42:49 hehe Dec 17 20:43:23 mugen-: are you sure you weren't also excited for the kinect sex hack? Dec 17 20:43:26 what, fallin asleep at the terminal AGAIN chuqui.. ;) sheesh.. :) Dec 17 20:43:36 lol Dec 17 20:43:43 personally, I think one of the coolest proof of concepts with the kinect is that optical camo video Dec 17 20:43:53 nooooooo, i still have gf. Dec 17 20:44:00 haha Dec 17 20:44:08 yeah... definitely. very predator like Dec 17 20:44:09 :D Dec 17 20:57:10 nice Dec 17 20:57:21 just scored Lost Planet 2 (Xbox360) for $2.10 from bestbuy Dec 17 20:57:25 free shipping Dec 17 21:00:02 wow Dec 17 21:00:03 nice... tweet that yet? ;) Dec 17 21:00:08 lol Dec 17 21:00:26 i'm out... have a good weekend everyone Dec 17 21:00:51 yeah they gave me a $10 coupon (RewardZone thing) Dec 17 21:00:56 lostplanet2 is $9.99 Dec 17 21:01:07 cool:) Dec 17 21:01:08 had to pad my cart with a $1.99 cd single (which ill return) Dec 17 21:01:23 haha.. yeah Dec 17 21:03:17 LOL.... tweeeeeeeet! Dec 17 21:06:12 ugh it looks like their system is broke.. it lists the wrong shipping address.. i just changed it to my new one so i dont know why its using the old.. email sent Dec 17 21:13:24 dang, I got close to 10 hours off my batt.life yesterday, undervolting to 1337.5, & ocing to 1ghz.. usual usage, no tethering hardly, that's great.. :) Dec 17 21:13:34 stock batt too Dec 17 21:18:53 bb Dec 17 21:24:13 hello Dec 17 21:40:13 you all see this? Dec 17 21:40:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OfQdYrHRs&feature=player_embedded Dec 17 21:40:23 iphone app that translate text via camera Dec 17 21:40:41 yes Dec 17 21:40:47 its awesome Dec 17 21:41:07 on-phone OCR?!?!?!? or does it push it through the cloud? Dec 17 21:41:19 no cloud Dec 17 21:41:25 no network required it says Dec 17 21:41:39 wow Dec 17 21:41:46 and it replaces it in the image Dec 17 21:41:50 which is mind boggling Dec 17 21:41:56 watch the vid Dec 17 21:42:45 yeah, it looks really good Dec 17 21:42:52 but they say it doesn't work for a lot of stuff Dec 17 21:42:59 styleized text, handwriting, etc Dec 17 21:43:04 yah i can imagine Dec 17 21:43:17 but as they demo'd it it would be good for travel Dec 17 21:43:29 as most signs are in a easy to read font Dec 17 21:43:32 yeah, for large signs with blocky text Dec 17 21:44:29 but still Dec 17 21:44:32 the demo is amazing Dec 17 21:44:35 lol Dec 17 21:51:58 * halfhalo got back from moooovies Dec 17 21:58:42 there is an open source OCR app, you could port itm, but the camera is too bad Dec 17 22:09:09 halfhalo: ping Dec 17 22:09:19 * halfhalo grumbles Dec 17 22:09:22 bong Dec 17 22:10:02 what version of nodejs does 2.0 use, anyways? Dec 17 22:11:49 morning Dec 17 22:12:21 mornin rod.. (late afternoon here though) :) Dec 17 22:12:38 rwhitby: morning Dec 17 22:12:41 morning rwhitby Dec 17 22:12:41 0.1.103 was initial 2.0 release, but palms been targeting 0.2.4+ from the looks of github Dec 17 22:12:50 * halfhalo goes to get foods Dec 17 22:15:14 hm, thanks Dec 17 22:15:26 * SineOt is starting to wonder if UDP multicast would be possible with nodejs Dec 17 22:17:30 the terminal app stops working after the system goes idle? Dec 17 22:18:07 SineOt: depends on the version Dec 17 22:20:15 I think I'm going to try building the stuff on Github, and see if I can do it with that Dec 17 22:20:40 anyone have some time to test a little game for me ? Dec 17 22:20:55 sure, leo42_, if it'll run on a pixi :] Dec 17 22:21:52 leo42_| :42 on a pre+ 145, I can Dec 17 22:23:44 ThriXXX wtf.. Dec 17 22:23:51 SineOt: sure :) Dec 17 22:24:47 ? hotdp.. Dec 17 22:25:01 how you seen it? Dec 17 22:25:14 nope Dec 17 22:25:20 I read news about the kinict demo Dec 17 22:25:32 i look crap Dec 17 22:25:49 ooooh making NodeJS from Palm's github has fancy COLORS :O Dec 17 22:25:56 hehe Dec 17 22:32:34 halfhalo: have you built the NodeJS that's on Palm's GITHUB? Dec 17 22:33:00 the tests throw a bunch of EADDRINUSE errors since the address is already in us, but... Those don't seem like "bad" errors Dec 17 22:33:35 run as root and try again Dec 17 22:33:44 and no, I havent Dec 17 22:36:20 nah, still throws errors Dec 17 22:36:34 but I think it's just running through them while the previous test still has a hold of that port Dec 17 22:38:48 ugh, damn... The version of Node that Palm is using is old enough that it doesn't do anything UDP from what I can tell Dec 17 22:41:53 wouldn't you use ajax for that? Dec 17 22:42:12 for udp? it cant Dec 17 22:42:14 nor tcp Dec 17 22:43:06 yeah, Node can do it in .3+ from what I can see Dec 17 22:43:26 would have made my Boxee Remote even cooler, since it would have been able to automatically poll the network for running clients to connect to :C Dec 17 22:45:00 Oh! Actually it looks like it might be able to Dec 17 23:04:58 heh nvidia uses the word 'ramp' like hp uses 'scale' Dec 17 23:07:37 is there a command to install an app to the emu, not the usb device? Dec 17 23:07:51 yeh Dec 17 23:07:59 mm, I might have found it Dec 17 23:08:02 yeah, palm-install -d emu or something Dec 17 23:08:02 i think theres a flag Dec 17 23:08:12 I was missing the -d part Dec 17 23:08:14 tcp Dec 17 23:08:34 thanks! Dec 17 23:08:41 or just unplug your device and it will default to the emu Dec 17 23:09:05 I'm transferring 8gigs worth of music to my device Dec 17 23:09:17 useless for testing :) Dec 17 23:09:33 lol Dec 17 23:12:10 not if you're writing a music app Dec 17 23:12:44 if you were testing, it'd already be copied :] Dec 17 23:13:45 shoot, 2 gigs left of my pre2 Dec 17 23:14:27 bah Dec 17 23:14:34 * halfhalo has nothing on any of his phones Dec 17 23:14:45 * SineOt just streams everything through Slacker! Dec 17 23:14:59 Hey halfhalo, you ever used UDP datagrams with NodeJS? *is kind of lost* Dec 17 23:15:06 Nope, sorry Dec 17 23:15:06 ' Dec 17 23:15:40 SineOt: don't have good enough service here :( Dec 17 23:16:05 Hrm. What about TCP broadcast? Dec 17 23:17:59 what the crap, I have some music on here that I've never seen before Dec 17 23:21:14 and I can't seem to find it on my computer Dec 17 23:24:10 * SineOt can't figure out where the hell Boxee sends a discovery response to. :C Dec 17 23:37:40 halfhalo: have you done networking stuff with NodeJS? Dec 17 23:52:09 SineOt: Si senorita Dec 17 23:52:32 How can I say, create a TCP/UDP socket, send something over it... And listen over the same thing? Dec 17 23:57:07 * halfhalo dunnos right now, he is going home Dec 18 00:14:19 * SineOt is stuck, but heading out for a bit Dec 18 01:04:37 howdy Dec 18 01:24:28 has anybody taken the Messaging (SMS/etc) app from Sprint and put it on Verizon, any probs? (The Vz one lacks Yahoo Messenger! is what the forums say) Dec 18 01:35:41 HPQ ^ .02% :) Dec 18 01:38:50 when they launch the keyboardless pre, it will drop 5% Dec 18 01:41:59 Adora! Dec 18 01:42:06 Hope you feel better Dec 18 01:48:33 If anyone here is using wirc 0.3.5, are you able to connect to irc.esper.net? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 18 03:00:01 2010