**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 19 02:59:57 2010 Dec 19 03:01:23 good evening everyone! Dec 19 03:02:29 evenin' Dec 19 03:05:14 conclusion: webOS crashes when you have a plugin that doesn't register any handlers Dec 19 03:16:28 mugen-: you want to test this later tonight? Dec 19 03:31:35 Anyone used XMLHttpRequest? Dec 19 03:39:32 . Dec 19 03:42:49 A single dot Dec 19 03:42:51 deep man Dec 19 03:43:04 YOU BLEW MY MIND MAN! Dec 19 03:51:15 ok so what is the deal with canvas transformations in webos/webkit? Dec 19 03:51:23 why doesn't this example work in webos? https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/canvas-tutorial/5_3_canvas_rotate.html Dec 19 03:52:06 the dots appear.. randomly almost.. seems to have something to do with translate being combined with rotate Dec 19 03:54:44 if I had to guess? Dec 19 03:54:49 because it never sets an origin Dec 19 03:59:12 Bonkers. Dec 19 03:59:23 Ajax.Request = broken, XMLHTTPrequest = works fine Dec 19 04:12:40 Anyone have experience with custom labeling on toggle buttons? Dec 19 04:16:00 oil, perhaps? Dec 19 04:16:13 Isn't that built into the widget? Dec 19 04:16:20 Yes, but it's not working. Dec 19 04:16:22 http://webos.pastebin.com/6apkRXFM Dec 19 04:16:34 It still has the default labels of 'ON' and 'OFF'. Dec 19 04:17:04 Hm. Dec 19 04:17:26 SineOt: origin for what? how? Dec 19 04:18:02 I think the "origin" for rotation is where it translates to Dec 19 04:18:37 * SineOt shrugs. Hasn't touched Canvas in a while! Dec 19 04:18:46 KGF2009 the name of the widget is "to" ? Dec 19 04:18:49 Right now I'm tackling this weird AJAX issue. Dec 19 04:18:49 the id? Dec 19 04:19:27 Yes. Dec 19 04:19:49 oh well Dec 19 04:19:50 ok trueLabel and falseLabel do not go inside choices. Dec 19 04:19:58 they go in the attributes object at the top level. Dec 19 04:19:59 different question: how can I force a
to fill the screen? Dec 19 04:20:07 ... Dec 19 04:20:17 * KGF2009 is stupid. Dec 19 04:21:12 Tman set the hieight and width Dec 19 04:21:46 Also, how can I stop a text-field from automatically capitalizing the input? Dec 19 04:22:50 textcase attribute. \ Dec 19 04:22:50 rick-home: doesn't work. Dec 19 04:23:00 Tman yes it does. Dec 19 04:23:15 you have to set the height and width and then set the position ... Dec 19 04:23:15 tried it.. Dec 19 04:23:21 did it wrong. Dec 19 04:23:24 is this with CSS? Dec 19 04:23:37 or from JS? Dec 19 04:23:44 js Dec 19 04:23:48 ok Dec 19 04:23:52 changing the style values. Dec 19 04:31:47 still not doing it.. Dec 19 04:32:57 How would one use string replacement like: s/a/b/ in an app? Dec 19 04:33:12 string.replace("a", "b") Dec 19 04:33:19 myString.replace('a', 'b'); Dec 19 04:33:20 yeah Dec 19 04:33:21 you can also use regex Dec 19 04:33:28 instead of "a" Dec 19 04:34:18 So it'll replace all instances of a with b? Dec 19 04:36:04 And last question. If I defined a row object in the HTML and not the javascript, how do I hide it? Dec 19 04:38:28 this.controller.get("id").hide() Dec 19 04:38:46 KGF2009: I'm not sure if it is a global replacement or not Dec 19 04:39:53 I don't remember.. if it isn't text.replace(/a/g, "b") will be global Dec 19 04:49:38 Anyone make use of Ajax.request in WebOS? Dec 19 04:51:24 I can't figure out why Ajax.request fails, but just straight XMLHTTPrequest works. Dec 19 04:51:34 it is boggling my poor brain. Dec 19 04:55:01 SineOt: I have Dec 19 04:55:26 Mind tossing me your method to set up your Ajax.request? Dec 19 04:56:02 pastebin yours, and I'll let you know if it is any different than mine Dec 19 04:56:06 are you using an API? Dec 19 04:56:49 No, just a raw request. Give me a second Dec 19 04:57:09 like the server you are requesting, is it an API, or your own? Dec 19 04:58:53 Oh, it's technically an API Dec 19 04:59:20 some apis are complicated, and Ajax.Request adds extra stuff to your request, so that could be why it's failing Dec 19 04:59:40 I ran into that the other day Dec 19 05:00:23 http://webos.pastebin.com/HTTWRAQv Dec 19 05:01:11 Odd thing is that it worked earlier, but now doesn't... The most recent XBMC API is working fine, and I know the Boxee one is like a version behind... Dec 19 05:02:52 I traced it through most of the cycle, and it initializes the request but never actually -sends- the request. The request doesn't get sent until the built in cleanup kicks in and I'm swiping the card away. Dec 19 05:03:08 So I'm pretty much sure that it's an issue with Ajax.request stalling out somewhere... Dec 19 05:03:18 you need to specifiy a method Dec 19 05:03:32 although, that might not be essential Dec 19 05:03:45 It worked before without it, but I'll try that. Dec 19 05:05:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/L7VqNTc5 that might work Dec 19 05:05:54 of course callBackFunc would have to be defined Dec 19 05:06:07 and "reponse" needs to be spelled correctly Dec 19 05:06:56 Do you really need a onSuccess? Dec 19 05:07:22 not sure, I don't think so Dec 19 05:08:16 http://api.prototypejs.org/ajax/Ajax/Request/ Dec 19 05:09:00 Well, that works now: oddly enough, it decides to call both the "onSuccess" and "onFailure" calls @_@ Dec 19 05:09:20 hah, nice Dec 19 05:09:25 Yeah, been reading that all day Dec 19 05:09:32 but it never really mentions the method: get Dec 19 05:14:17 Wonder why it acted up. Dec 19 05:36:34 mugen-: ping? Dec 19 05:54:37 hey Adora Dec 19 06:51:03 omfg tron legacy was fucking bad ass. Dec 19 06:51:36 oh, hey mugen|palm Dec 19 06:51:44 :D Dec 19 06:51:52 what's cracking? Dec 19 06:52:52 oh hell yeah Dec 19 06:52:56 tron legacy is the jam Dec 19 06:53:17 not much Dec 19 06:53:22 you want to test this remote later? Dec 19 06:54:34 no... tron legacy is the fucking business. THE fucking business. sorry for the cursing... Dec 19 06:54:46 sine, sure bro Dec 19 06:54:54 tron legacy could have my kids and put them through college ok Dec 19 06:55:11 tron legacy touched me in places I didn't know existed Dec 19 06:55:13 it twas decent Dec 19 06:55:31 decent? Dec 19 06:55:32 more like Dec 19 06:55:36 responsible for the curing of cancer Dec 19 06:57:57 yup Dec 19 06:58:57 I need to see it again Dec 19 07:01:48 only thing is Dec 19 07:01:53 no Dec 19 07:02:01 stop Dec 19 07:02:03 I watched it with a group where both of the ladies are liek omg i haet 3d Dec 19 07:02:07 it hurtz my eyes Dec 19 07:02:34 so 2d version in one of the lame theaters where the speakers couldn't handle the combination of DAFT PUNK and AWESOME SOUND EFFECTS eminating from this godly film Dec 19 07:03:19 on the flipside, it was essentially a midnight showing where our group were the only people in the theater Dec 19 07:04:52 it was okay Dec 19 07:05:16 saw it a few weeks ago -- really stoked when I left. Dec 19 07:05:36 but in retrospect, there is no desire to see it again Dec 19 07:05:44 how old are you? Dec 19 07:05:53 (not trying to be an ass) Dec 19 07:06:02 I'm hype to see the original tron now, that's for sure lol Dec 19 07:06:10 hah Dec 19 07:06:11 definitely Dec 19 07:06:16 children, children everywhere Dec 19 07:06:31 * halfhalo rewatched the original tron thursday at work Dec 19 07:06:37 we just watched the original Tron Dec 19 07:06:40 just ended in fact Dec 19 07:06:55 man the movie that has me WAY excited is True Grit Dec 19 07:07:01 ehiguess Dec 19 07:07:01 torchie, so you did or didn't see it in 3d? Dec 19 07:07:04 because holy fuck Dec 19 07:07:07 I didn't see it in 3d Dec 19 07:07:11 I saw it in 2d at a regular ass-theater Dec 19 07:07:24 yeah... you didn't miss much Dec 19 07:07:33 i'm not impressed by all this 3d shiz Dec 19 07:07:48 it needs to be seen in imax though Dec 19 07:07:50 for the speakers Dec 19 07:07:53 yeah I want to see it at imax Dec 19 07:07:54 for the speakers Dec 19 07:08:04 and the screen Dec 19 07:08:06 oh man that sound track is epic tho Dec 19 07:08:15 the soundtrack is wicked as hell Dec 19 07:08:23 hands down, daft knocked it down Dec 19 07:08:31 then rebuilt it Dec 19 07:08:37 just to knock it down again Dec 19 07:08:46 all while having it's hands in your pants Dec 19 07:09:58 and how about that lead chick Dec 19 07:11:52 meh Dec 19 07:12:03 i love olivia wilde to death... Dec 19 07:12:24 most def Dec 19 07:12:27 but not outside of tron Dec 19 07:12:29 * torchie ducks. Dec 19 07:12:36 I was like man who is that Dec 19 07:12:49 so mugen-! Dec 19 07:12:54 so SineOt! Dec 19 07:12:55 let me know when you want to test this out Dec 19 07:12:57 then I saw her outside of tron and thought wow, she needs to rock the tron look all the time Dec 19 07:13:10 SineOt, send it over to me now if you want Dec 19 07:13:24 trying to get volume working Dec 19 07:13:33 torchie, i hate you Dec 19 07:13:38 :O Dec 19 07:13:45 tron look Dec 19 07:13:46 all the time! Dec 19 07:14:46 bah Dec 19 07:17:06 if they could just make a romantic comedy Dec 19 07:17:10 where she's the female lead Dec 19 07:17:19 and it's set in 60s new york Dec 19 07:17:27 except she's still in the tron costume Dec 19 07:17:36 and they do lots of closeups on her Dec 19 07:23:38 uhm Dec 19 07:23:47 really? Dec 19 07:23:55 cause that sounds really horrible Dec 19 07:26:29 sounds like an oscar winner to me Dec 19 07:28:20 mugen-: 35. Saw the original in the theatre when I was like 7 Dec 19 07:29:10 cdm, and you didn't like it?! Dec 19 07:29:14 i'm shocked Dec 19 07:29:44 I liked it Dec 19 07:29:45 did you like the original ? Dec 19 07:29:52 sure. Dec 19 07:30:02 the kid was stiff Dec 19 07:30:02 but neither of them blew your mind, huh? Dec 19 07:30:14 yea Dec 19 07:30:15 and I'm not sure that this new one added much over the old one. Dec 19 07:30:25 it didn't Dec 19 07:30:26 other then the cycles can turn now and not just at 90 degrees. Dec 19 07:30:33 ;) Dec 19 07:30:35 but it was still a fun movie to see Dec 19 07:30:39 oh yes Dec 19 07:30:40 once Dec 19 07:30:46 in 20 years I will still watch the original Dec 19 07:30:47 yup Dec 19 07:30:50 not this one Dec 19 07:30:57 but I am buying the soundtrack Dec 19 07:31:05 and I loved the Daft Punk cameo Dec 19 07:31:05 I bought it already Dec 19 07:31:11 yupyup Dec 19 07:31:15 hmm Dec 19 07:31:22 that whole scene was great Dec 19 07:32:20 there may be a third one as well... which would be weird Dec 19 07:32:21 mugen-: I have been sitting on it a lot longer then you tho Dec 19 07:32:34 what do you mean? Dec 19 07:32:35 mugen-: talk to me in a few weeks Dec 19 07:32:46 I got to go to a Disney hosted early screening Dec 19 07:32:56 woot Dec 19 07:33:03 I may pick it up on bluray when it comes out, but it would not be something I watch often Dec 19 07:33:35 hmm Dec 19 07:34:00 had to turn off my phone in front of secruity and get wanded down, etc. Dec 19 07:34:09 it was about as bad as going on an airplane. :) Dec 19 07:35:05 yeah, had to do that before Dec 19 07:35:52 lol Dec 19 07:38:24 mugen-: check your email! Dec 19 07:38:31 roger that Dec 19 07:39:03 now to go watch SNL since I have a boner for Jeff Bridges :9 Dec 19 07:39:23 o.O Dec 19 07:41:47 sounds painful Dec 19 07:41:49 SNL and the boner Dec 19 07:53:21 jeff bridges is on SNL -- Dec 19 07:53:26 oh snap it's Dec 19 07:53:26 satur Dec 19 07:53:27 day Dec 19 07:56:43 uhm Dec 19 07:56:46 yea Dec 19 07:57:02 XD Dec 19 14:24:27 afternoon Dec 19 14:24:55 My "Jo on webOS" Tutorial: http://bit.ly/h2PP3R Dec 19 14:27:50 looks interesting, well laid out :) Dec 19 14:28:32 damnit, I have a paper to write, stop providing me with enticing distractions! Dec 19 15:28:36 Is there a similar program as "log" on the Emulator on a real device to look at an application logs to debug it? Dec 19 15:29:37 I think I found that.. Dec 19 15:33:44 well.. doesn't work Dec 19 15:34:08 Spanska: palm-log works on device too Dec 19 15:34:31 that binary doesn't exist on mine Dec 19 15:34:38 what OS? Dec 19 15:34:41 -sh: palm-log: not found Dec 19 15:34:49 webOS 1.4.5 Dec 19 15:35:05 what's your desktop OS? Dec 19 15:35:14 Windows 7 Dec 19 15:35:29 alright, and you've installed the webos SDK? Dec 19 15:35:34 palm-log exists on my host though Dec 19 15:35:40 yes I did Dec 19 15:36:01 I can even list applications with "palm-log -d usb -l" Dec 19 15:36:20 host=your windows machine? Dec 19 15:36:25 yes Dec 19 15:36:36 then: palm-log -d usb -f com.mycompany.awesomeapp Dec 19 15:36:47 I tried it, it doesn't work Dec 19 15:36:49 that should give you a log that's lived Dec 19 15:37:03 is your app listed in the command you wrote above? Dec 19 15:37:14 yes it is Dec 19 15:37:27 and it still won't work? Dec 19 15:37:31 with your identifier? Dec 19 15:37:40 yes Dec 19 15:37:48 yes, with my identifier Dec 19 15:37:54 no, it still doesn't work Dec 19 15:38:02 you have dev mode enabled on the phone? phone is hooked in and in "only charge" mode? Dec 19 15:38:23 yes, dev mode is enabled and phone is hooked in charge only mode Dec 19 15:39:32 is the emulator running as well? Dec 19 15:39:59 can you run your app on the phone with "palm-run com.mycompany.awesomeapp" Dec 19 15:40:39 no the emulator isn't running Dec 19 15:40:44 let me try that command Dec 19 15:41:16 my app is already running, should I close it first? Dec 19 15:41:23 yeah, do that Dec 19 15:41:41 palm-run will actually restart it, but do it anyways, just to be sure Dec 19 15:41:47 which log level ? Dec 19 15:41:49 palm-run doesn't seem to exist on my host Dec 19 15:42:01 for me I only use Mojo.Log.error() Dec 19 15:42:10 palm-launch Dec 19 15:42:13 sorry, my bad Dec 19 15:42:13 I can run it fine though Eclipse though Dec 19 15:42:23 it's ok, I'm just not used to the command line ;) Dec 19 15:42:52 this started it again Dec 19 15:43:11 do you use Mojo.Log.error() in your appß Dec 19 15:43:13 Spanska: when you do palm-log -d usb -f com.mycompany.awesomeapp, what does it print out? is it just sitting there? Dec 19 15:43:20 MetaView: I use console.log, Mojo.Log.error and Mojo.Log.info too Dec 19 15:43:31 MetaView is right, system-log-level could be set too low Dec 19 15:43:43 b0bben: it prints something but it is just sitting there after that Dec 19 15:43:49 oki Dec 19 15:43:59 then try this first: palm-log -d usb --system-log-level=info Dec 19 15:44:17 then "palm-log -d usb -f com.mycompany.awesomeapp" again Dec 19 15:44:58 ok Dec 19 15:45:41 MetaView: wazap in germany today? you guys have snow? Dec 19 15:46:44 yes Dec 19 15:46:45 b0bben: I understand what you mean by lived now Dec 19 15:46:50 quite alot Dec 19 15:47:12 Spanska: lived? Dec 19 15:47:15 it's probably my mistake, I wasn't doing anything on the device after I input the command... I'm still too used to how the emulator works Dec 19 15:47:24 MetaView: where are you at in DE, south or north? Dec 19 15:47:33 Berlin, north east Dec 19 15:47:40 b0bben: [10:35:17] that should give you a log that's lived Dec 19 15:47:50 Spanska: it's working now? awesome! Dec 19 15:48:00 thanks for your help gentlemen Dec 19 15:48:10 I don't use the emulator at all, it's much easier to work on the device Dec 19 15:48:17 Spanska: aah, a type there, should've been "live" Dec 19 15:48:19 :) Dec 19 15:48:48 MetaView: berlin ey, you're almost as up north as me ;) Dec 19 15:49:04 oh, Lithuania Dec 19 15:49:11 snowing like it's the 2 days after tomorrow Dec 19 15:49:13 is it Littauen or Lettland? Dec 19 15:49:19 haha what? no, i'm in sweden Dec 19 15:49:26 hm Dec 19 15:49:32 [16:47] *** b0bben is using sendak.freenode.net Vilnius, Lithuania, EU Dec 19 15:49:44 my fault... Dec 19 15:49:47 it was a joke, you're a couple of miles south from us Dec 19 15:49:52 aaa, i see Dec 19 15:50:10 i'm rerouting traffic so yo guys can't find me ;) Dec 19 15:50:22 still some km's until south sweden (nord vorpommern) Dec 19 15:50:33 yeah Dec 19 15:50:46 is the whole germany snow covered? even the southern parts? Dec 19 15:50:56 Spanska: it's sunday morning? you're from canadia? Dec 19 15:51:29 b0bben: yes, snow everywhere, it's not that unusual in the south (they are higher) but not that usual for Berlin or the north Dec 19 15:51:47 nice Dec 19 15:51:54 well... Dec 19 15:51:57 going skiing anywhere close? Dec 19 15:52:14 no, I go skiing in the february, for a week, in the alps Dec 19 15:52:21 oki Dec 19 15:52:32 you could do cross country in the suraoundings here, but I'm too lazy Dec 19 15:52:33 me 2, in march though Dec 19 15:52:48 not the alps though Dec 19 15:52:57 cross country sucks donkey balls Dec 19 15:53:06 b0bben: from where are you in Seden? Dec 19 15:53:17 I'm in Göteborg from time to time Dec 19 15:53:20 i'd rather restore ppls broke harddrives all day....oh wait, i'm doing it now Dec 19 15:53:28 MetaView: no shit! i live here! Dec 19 15:53:30 well was more often in the previous years Dec 19 15:53:35 oh, cool Dec 19 15:53:43 you into car business? ;) Dec 19 15:53:55 my girlfriend made her PHD on the Chalmers Dec 19 15:54:01 sweet Dec 19 15:54:11 you coming over soon again? i'll buy you a beer Dec 19 15:54:21 oh, that will expensive for you :) Dec 19 15:54:31 "a beer"....only one Dec 19 15:54:34 ;) Dec 19 15:54:50 no, I'm not coming this fast, we have friends there, but I guess next year we meet in Danemark, on the coast Dec 19 15:54:58 a beer on Avenyn Dec 19 15:55:05 yeah, for sure Dec 19 15:55:37 no snow on Avenyn, they have heat pipes and shit in the ground Dec 19 15:55:41 so it's perfect Dec 19 15:55:50 really, heat pipes? Dec 19 15:55:56 like the finns Dec 19 15:56:12 yeah, it's so strange walking there from the parking lot where there's like 80cm snow Dec 19 15:56:21 then all of the sudden, dry concrete Dec 19 15:57:01 they wouldn't want ppl falling and breaking bones infront of the clubs I guess Dec 19 15:57:14 probably Dec 19 15:57:24 for shoping one could go to Nordens Ark :) Dec 19 15:57:48 is mp4a the same as ADPCM? Dec 19 15:57:56 isn't that a zoo? Dec 19 15:58:22 Arkaden is a shopping place though Dec 19 15:58:34 MetaView: yes, it's Sunday morning and yes, I am in Canada, in Quebec City actually! Dec 19 15:59:07 Spanska: bastard, you have the whole sunday afront of you! ;P Dec 19 15:59:29 it's 5PM here, and i'm already like :"OMG it's monday soon!!" Dec 19 15:59:46 b0bben: right, but what's the name of this arkaden? Dec 19 15:59:54 wasn't it a special name? Dec 19 16:00:06 MetaView: you mean the expensive place? Dec 19 16:00:14 b0bben: haha Dec 19 16:00:25 this huge shoping centrer close to the train station Dec 19 16:00:30 Nordstan Dec 19 16:00:36 right, Nordstan Dec 19 16:00:47 thx Dec 19 16:01:08 and it's sunny and we might probably go downtown in Vieux-Québec ;) Dec 19 16:01:12 was out shopping for chrismas gifts yesterday, heading to Nordstan, caught a glimpse of the inside, then turned right back home Dec 19 16:01:58 Spanska: how's quebec? living-wise? Dec 19 16:02:15 i just made an older woman cry Dec 19 16:02:27 her drive is fried Dec 19 16:02:32 no backup Dec 19 16:02:46 that's funny, I was just mapping out a trip to quebec Dec 19 16:02:46 oh Dec 19 16:02:53 i'm restoring some pics and some other stuff that she doesn't know about yet Dec 19 16:03:01 i'm about to be a goddamn HERO!! Dec 19 16:03:03 ;9 Dec 19 16:03:19 first i told her that everything was gone for sure, but i'll try restoring Dec 19 16:04:17 if I manage to save some pics and docs, i think i'm all good on the cookies for the rest of my life ;) Dec 19 16:04:37 b0bben: nice city, we were in Rimouski (a 40,000 habitants city) last year and we moved here for my wife. That's also where we studied at university. If you ever been (or ever go) to Montreal.. it's so different in Quebec City! Is it definitely more a Quebecor city Dec 19 16:05:35 Loudergood: with all the snow we have, you could surely have some good time skiiing on the surrounding mountains! Dec 19 16:06:17 Spanska: I'm in Vermont, I would come for the cities. Dec 19 16:06:27 Spanska: awesome. huge city, 7+ mil according to wikipedia Dec 19 16:06:36 that's almost as many as whole of Sweden ffs :) Dec 19 16:07:09 Spanska: so are you a native french speaker? Dec 19 16:09:16 hmm, 7mil, is that for the whole province? must be... Dec 19 16:09:33 reading further down on the page, you would guess the population is about 700k Dec 19 16:10:01 aaa, it was the province Dec 19 16:10:12 i see it's as big as Göteborg...sweet Dec 19 16:10:52 when i'm in the states, ppl always ask me to describe sweden, and i always answer:"European Canada" Dec 19 16:11:18 b0bben: Quebec is more like 850,000 people big Dec 19 16:11:34 b0bben: I meant Quebec City, just to be clear ;) Dec 19 16:11:43 Spanska: yeah, i found the right wikipedia page :) Dec 19 16:11:57 b0bben: yes, I am, and I suppose you are a native swedish speaker? ;) Dec 19 16:12:02 godamit, this restoring is gonna take forever Dec 19 16:12:25 that's actually where I was mapping out, looks like it's about 3 1/2 hours.my gf has never been there Dec 19 16:13:05 it's worth it and I would suggest the Laurentides mountains for anyone that has more time than just to visit Quebec City Dec 19 16:13:28 Spanska: haha, yeah...just wondering since you said you weren't from quebec originally, and as far as my knowledge of canada goes, french-speakers are a minority Dec 19 16:13:50 b0bben: actually, we always lived in Quebec prov. we just moved from other cities ;) Dec 19 16:13:57 ok Dec 19 16:14:04 yeah, now i see it, montreal Dec 19 16:14:07 cool cool Dec 19 16:17:00 hehe, i put a human heart as my "glow logo" that fades out/pulses over the "Palm WebOS" during my pre's boot.... looks really awesome. :) Dec 19 16:17:57 b0bben: you're right for french speakers here.. even in Montreal the majority of people living in that city probably aren't native french speakers because there are so many people coming from other places in the world Dec 19 16:20:54 Spanska: ok Dec 19 16:21:03 well, i'm going out sledding with my boy Dec 19 16:21:09 see ya all later Dec 19 16:21:18 same here.. Dec 19 16:25:49 after church. daughters in the choir.. Dec 19 16:45:49 hey hotdp Dec 19 16:46:07 hey Solix Dec 19 16:46:17 how a doing today Dec 19 16:46:39 Fine, just home from my gf family Dec 19 16:46:43 you? Dec 19 16:46:58 good, just getting ready to head out to go sledin with the kids... Dec 19 16:47:06 :) Dec 19 16:47:06 you find a present for your gf? hehe Dec 19 16:47:10 haha yes Dec 19 16:47:13 cool Dec 19 16:47:14 i got it online Dec 19 16:47:17 and wrappe D:P Dec 19 16:47:22 :0 orly.. ;) Dec 19 16:47:27 haha Dec 19 16:47:37 Where in the world are you= Dec 19 16:47:51 midwest USA Dec 19 16:48:00 where al the snow is.. ;) Dec 19 16:48:15 in the US anyways.. ;) Dec 19 16:48:32 my shift key is broek Dec 19 16:48:35 grr Dec 19 16:48:46 soda in the keyboard? Dec 19 16:48:57 nope, cookie crumbs from the kids playing on it.. heh Dec 19 16:49:06 just ststuck a little Dec 19 16:50:06 when my boy was 2, he pulled almost ALL of the keys off my laptop, things is, i was sitting right there, reading, and didnt notice until later.. aaaarg, haha Dec 19 16:50:20 hahaha Dec 19 16:50:25 i have seen that before! Dec 19 16:50:26 i 'donated' that laptop to him.. :P Dec 19 16:50:29 yup Dec 19 16:50:41 was an old ibm thinkpad Dec 19 16:51:53 cant blame him, atthat age, there neat little clicky things that dad played with a lot.. lol Dec 19 16:53:09 haha Dec 19 16:53:24 he have to learn the computer anyway ;) Dec 19 16:53:28 can not be to early Dec 19 16:53:31 xactly.. Dec 19 16:54:15 ive given him and my daughter old broken ones to disassemble, just for fun, and toasters (cut the cords;), they loved that... i said, "have at it", and gave them a bunch of litle tools to use.. :) Dec 19 16:54:29 cool Dec 19 16:54:33 small ingeneers Dec 19 16:55:03 yup, mydaughters a lil science-girl, the boy too, but hes more into other stuff right now.. Dec 19 16:55:07 maybe later. :) Dec 19 16:57:36 * hotdp looking at new catr Dec 19 16:57:39 *car Dec 19 16:58:52 fun Dec 19 16:59:09 new-new, or new-used? Dec 19 16:59:55 i lke older cars/trucks, cheaper to fix, and you dont have to worry so much about getting a scratch.. :) Dec 19 17:00:32 I am from Denmark in EU Dec 19 17:00:40 We pay 180% tax on cars Dec 19 17:00:45 ohhdannng Dec 19 17:00:48 :/ Dec 19 17:00:49 We only have small CRAP cars over here Dec 19 17:00:57 ute? Dec 19 17:01:02 ive seen those.. :)) Dec 19 17:01:13 That why i love beeing on holiday in US then i rent big cars :) corvette ect. Dec 19 17:01:16 my wife wnats a 'smart car', sheesh.. lol Dec 19 17:01:25 right on.. :) Dec 19 17:01:37 your in US right now? Dec 19 17:01:41 Nope Dec 19 17:01:42 for the holidays.. Dec 19 17:01:44 oh Dec 19 17:01:49 Have just been for Dev Day Dec 19 17:01:55 And CA in summer Dec 19 17:01:57 oh.. lucky Dec 19 17:02:00 cool Dec 19 17:02:04 going to florida this summer Dec 19 17:02:09 i missed dev days, .. :/ Dec 19 17:02:12 :) Dec 19 17:02:16 floridas nice.. Dec 19 17:02:29 west coast is one my favorites, oregon, and washington Dec 19 17:02:35 yer Dec 19 17:02:41 i really liked CA Dec 19 17:02:44 but i ove midwest, minnesota.. my home. :) Dec 19 17:02:52 I have never been there Dec 19 17:02:53 yeah CA :) Dec 19 17:03:14 its freezing inthe winter, and boiling in the summer, but gorgeaous in between.. :) Dec 19 17:03:30 hehehe Dec 19 17:04:06 I am looking at the new VW Passat Dec 19 17:04:15 1.6 diesel Dec 19 17:04:20 nice Dec 19 17:04:25 364000/5,5 Dec 19 17:04:31 miles? Dec 19 17:04:38 No price Dec 19 17:04:41 66181$ Dec 19 17:04:44 oh doh.. of course.. :) Dec 19 17:04:49 year? Dec 19 17:04:53 2011 Dec 19 17:04:53 erm, whatyear. Dec 19 17:05:01 oh wow.. Dec 19 17:05:20 66k... woot.. :) i'll never spend that much ona car.. ;) Dec 19 17:05:42 Its insane Dec 19 17:05:45 i hate my country Dec 19 17:06:00 my house, was literally HALF of that. Dec 19 17:06:04 :( Dec 19 17:06:12 but that is becuase of the economy we got a great deal Dec 19 17:06:21 nice Dec 19 17:06:23 and its a beautiful house.. ;) Dec 19 17:06:39 yeah.. Dec 19 17:07:06 whats your petrol seeling for ther: Dec 19 17:07:13 were at 3$usg/ a gallon Dec 19 17:07:18 er, usd Dec 19 17:07:31 We are looking at house we talk FROM prices: 370000$ Dec 19 17:07:52 gallon is like 4 liters right? Dec 19 17:08:03 dam.. but yeah, MOST of them in general, will be between 150-200 here, for a aveerage/standard family size.. Dec 19 17:08:11 hmm, yeah, something like that Dec 19 17:08:17 googling Dec 19 17:08:30 price 6618 Dec 19 17:08:35 1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liters Dec 19 17:08:35 3.79 Dec 19 17:08:37 yer Dec 19 17:08:40 blah! haha Dec 19 17:09:05 6618/? Dec 19 17:09:27 error Dec 19 17:09:39 k :) Dec 19 17:09:47 * hotdp is calculating Dec 19 17:09:56 uhoh Dec 19 17:10:33 8,11 $ for 1 gallon Dec 19 17:10:34 eh, g2g now.. bbl sledding time.. cias Dec 19 17:10:38 DAM! Dec 19 17:10:43 Yes Dec 19 17:10:45 it SUCKS Dec 19 17:10:50 glad i dont live there, i gringe paying 3$/gal Dec 19 17:10:51 Cu Dec 19 17:10:56 no kidding....... :/ Dec 19 17:11:01 ight, cul8r Dec 19 17:11:02 * hotdp moving to usa Dec 19 17:11:08 haha.. good idea! Dec 19 18:10:46 * sugardave brings the awesome. Dec 19 18:13:36 * hotdp wonder what awesome sugardave brings Dec 19 18:14:03 "on-demand" caching system for this wallpaper app Dec 19 18:16:00 before I would try to load the local copy and if it failed, go and grab the remote and cache it...but it was doing it for all the images, so if they tried to save or set while all that is going on, it takes forever to actually save or set...so now it kills off the image loading and will only cache an image that is in the viewer as they are viewed and only if it needs to Dec 19 18:16:24 and the save/set occurs in a reasonable time Dec 19 18:16:37 instead of after 320 images are being fetched for img src elements :D Dec 19 18:32:53 awesome Dec 19 18:50:13 doot doot doot, anyone got Boxee/XBMC set up and wants to test this remote for me? :B Dec 19 19:00:32 SineOt: i'm here and willing Dec 19 19:00:58 what versions of boxee and xbmc are you coding against? Dec 19 19:06:14 should work regardless of current version Dec 19 19:06:20 the API it's using is pretty old Dec 19 19:23:38 b0bben_: let me know if you find any issues Dec 19 19:35:01 SineOt: works like a charm Dec 19 19:35:10 Cool. Dec 19 19:35:15 Now to get keyboard input going. Dec 19 19:35:17 little delay in the commands, but other then that it does it's thing Dec 19 19:35:26 thin on a 2.x device as well Dec 19 19:35:29 this* Dec 19 19:35:45 Yeah, I think that's an issue with the whole API and how it functions. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's slow. Dec 19 19:35:52 oki Dec 19 19:36:02 Don't really know how to speed it up, since it's an HTTP request sent over Wifi. Dec 19 19:36:04 this is the old xbmc http api right? Dec 19 19:36:08 Yeah. Dec 19 19:36:18 Been looking at the JSON RPC API but it's kind of making me go @_@ Dec 19 19:36:20 have you tried the new json-rpc in xbmc? Dec 19 19:36:24 hehe Dec 19 19:36:29 oki Dec 19 19:37:13 I know you can do the new JSON RPC API over TCP sockets... But that'd require writing a NodeJS service Dec 19 19:37:26 and I'm just getting started learning how NodeJS works Dec 19 19:37:44 I wrote a service on my desktop that sends and receives the UDP discovery packets, so that's a start Dec 19 19:38:19 the other option is JSON RPC over HTTP but... I'd imagine that would have the same speed hiccups that the current HTTP API has Dec 19 19:39:32 but that's stuff to look at getting working in a "2.0" type release Dec 19 19:39:45 yeah Dec 19 19:39:46 totally Dec 19 19:39:52 keep this coming Dec 19 19:39:55 awesome stuff Dec 19 19:40:20 Have you ever used JSON RPC? Dec 19 19:40:49 I mean it looks like it's just sending JSON back and forth... Which shouldn't be too hard with like, NodeJS coming Dec 19 19:41:00 to implement with proper sockets and such Dec 19 19:42:03 no, never Dec 19 19:49:07 geesh, lost 4 of 5 lug nuts on fron drivers side tire on my truck coming home today.. Dec 19 19:49:14 twice! even Dec 19 19:49:20 ugh Dec 19 19:49:45 hey b0bben Dec 19 19:50:26 luckily I had my pre with me.. (plug!) ;) Dec 19 20:01:07 testing going well :D Dec 19 20:02:48 hey mugen-, you fiddled with the remote at all? :] Dec 19 20:03:05 i'm actually setting it all up now Dec 19 20:03:19 you've tested on xbmc already, right? Dec 19 20:04:06 yes Dec 19 20:04:11 they both use the same APIs Dec 19 20:04:45 sup SineOt : havn any luck with ur ap? Dec 19 20:06:16 going better than it was yesterday, that's for sure :p Dec 19 20:06:29 oh cool.:) Dec 19 20:06:47 taken a break always helps.. hehe Dec 19 20:17:53 omg, I just rm -rf'd in the wrong novaterm window....have lost all my pics/videos/music :( Dec 19 20:19:15 noway. Dec 19 20:19:18 :/ Dec 19 20:19:38 bups? Dec 19 20:19:43 yeah, stupid...was in the wrong dir AND the wrong window Dec 19 20:19:47 no backups Dec 19 20:20:45 ooouch. :/ Dec 19 20:21:08 :( Dec 19 20:21:11 I've don't similar things before... :q Dec 19 20:21:32 using partitioning tools usually ... hehe Dec 19 20:21:36 SineOt, no go brother... using XBMC 10-b2 R33776 Dec 19 20:22:00 be sure you went in and fiddled with the settings for XBMC Dec 19 20:22:04 yup Dec 19 20:22:09 turned everything on and off Dec 19 20:22:13 no fw on the systems Dec 19 20:22:19 did you enable the stuff for like, "outside systems can control" Dec 19 20:22:22 yup Dec 19 20:22:24 and "remote sends keystrokes" Dec 19 20:22:45 hmmm, hold on... lemme check that one Dec 19 20:23:10 allow control of XBMC via HTTP Dec 19 20:23:19 yup Dec 19 20:23:29 remote sends keyboard wasn't selected Dec 19 20:23:33 but is now Dec 19 20:23:36 and still no go Dec 19 20:23:37 yeah, under Input Dec 19 20:23:40 hm Dec 19 20:23:53 where can I check what version of XBMC I'm using? Dec 19 20:24:00 system profile Dec 19 20:24:11 usually a sub item in the settings item on home screen Dec 19 20:24:44 I'm using 10.0-b4 right now... And it works Dec 19 20:24:51 10.0 release came out today Dec 19 20:24:52 k, lemme upgrade Dec 19 20:24:54 yeah i saw Dec 19 20:25:25 yeah, it's working under Beta4 Dec 19 20:26:27 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/com.ruddersquish.boxeeremote_0.9.1_all.ipk < try using this IPK instead of the one I sent you last night Dec 19 20:26:51 whats a good free image host for galleries. Dec 19 20:27:34 photobucket Dec 19 20:27:41 ? Dec 19 20:28:17 Yeah, Photobucket, Picassa, Flickr Dec 19 20:28:59 ohh yeah, I like picassa.. jmo Dec 19 20:29:20 if you want it integrated in desktop, etc. too Dec 19 20:30:59 thanks Dec 19 20:31:04 np Dec 19 20:31:09 just putting up a quick craigslist ad Dec 19 20:31:43 you can add phots in ur add, or you have more than 4? Dec 19 20:32:41 I tried to use img tags but something weird happened and my ad doesnt show up in listings. Dec 19 20:33:08 at the bottom of edit, you can upload them directly. Dec 19 20:33:16 erm, ad edit. Dec 19 20:34:04 yeah but they are tiny Dec 19 20:34:18 ah yeah . ok :) Dec 19 20:36:43 SineOt, still no go on new ver Dec 19 20:37:01 hm. Dec 19 20:37:10 SineOt, log watching produces "[20101219-13:34:44.638931] error: Failure!" when I hit keys Dec 19 20:37:25 b0bben_ was testing it earlier without issue Dec 19 20:38:24 shit... hold on Dec 19 20:38:31 found a goof on my end Dec 19 20:38:43 if you load http://IP:Port/xbmcCmds/xbmcHttp?command=getVolume does it do anything? Dec 19 20:38:57 oh :p Dec 19 20:39:00 what did you find? Dec 19 20:39:46 port i was using was already being used by my utorrent process Dec 19 20:39:49 works :) Dec 19 20:40:04 oh :p Dec 19 20:41:53 yup, works perfect Dec 19 20:42:38 cool Dec 19 20:42:54 I think this is going to be my first app catalog ready application :p Dec 19 20:43:05 :) Dec 19 20:43:29 can i make a visual suggestion? Dec 19 20:43:38 if you want to stick around, I should have a version with keyboard functionality Dec 19 20:43:39 sure Dec 19 20:44:25 the icons you have for ffd and rwd are usually used for seeking rather than skipping Dec 19 20:44:43 you could change to >>| and >| to denote small and large skips Dec 19 20:45:14 okay, easy enough Dec 19 20:46:15 yup... does the keyboard input work in boxee? Dec 19 20:46:30 or is that still under construction? Dec 19 20:46:43 under construction Dec 19 20:46:49 I'm working on it right now in fact Dec 19 20:46:55 should work on XBMC and Boxee without issue Dec 19 20:47:07 kk Dec 19 20:47:22 but will work better on Boxee, since they provide a method to get the contents of a text field that I don't think XBMC offers Dec 19 20:47:50 yeah, xbmc doesn't make good use of textual input Dec 19 20:48:05 i don't think they have plans to expand on it either Dec 19 20:49:06 another suggestion which would be super simple to add for a release version would be some haptic feedback Dec 19 20:49:23 * SineOt puts that on the list! Dec 19 20:49:45 although how to do that, I have no idea :] Dec 19 20:49:48 there's an example for you Dec 19 20:49:50 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/254979-haptic-feedback-how.html Dec 19 20:49:54 ;) Dec 19 20:49:59 like i said... super simple Dec 19 20:51:30 ah, but requires the com.palm.app namespace and would shut me out of the App Catalog :p Dec 19 20:51:45 nono... look further down Dec 19 20:51:47 Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification("vibrate", ""); Dec 19 20:52:02 oh Dec 19 20:52:10 that, yeah, I was testing that right now actually XD Dec 19 20:52:25 :) Dec 19 20:53:47 i've not tested it though... and from what i'm reading people omit because of the duration issue. so i don't know if that's because it vibrates too long, or what Dec 19 20:55:16 good job on the app tho dude. i love the look and feel (feels very boxee like), simple and easy to understand Dec 19 20:55:29 you can't set how long the vibrate is for, so if I wanted it different depending on like... Which button I pressed, I couldn't do that Dec 19 20:55:43 BUT it gives a soft little quick vibrate which honestly is perfect for haptic feedback Dec 19 20:55:49 sweet... Dec 19 20:56:19 yeah, i don't think you'd need to differentiate the keys with different feedback rates Dec 19 20:57:15 it's interesting... your app over my old 802.11g wlan is faster than my ir->eventghost->xbmc setup Dec 19 20:57:51 yeah, I'd love to make it even faster, because I think if I'm able to get JSON RPC working over TCP sockets, it'd be way fast Dec 19 20:58:02 for sure Dec 19 20:58:08 but that requires way more NodeJS knowledge, and I'm still just starting off in that :p Dec 19 20:58:10 nodejs will let you do that Dec 19 20:58:22 Although I have a UDP discovery server written and running Dec 19 20:58:34 which is a 2.0 type feature for sure Dec 19 20:58:50 since it would make it so you didn't need to know the IP or port of the media server to use it Dec 19 20:58:53 just tap a name and go Dec 19 20:59:01 yup Dec 19 20:59:03 very cool Dec 19 21:00:07 with nodejs ... you could have notifications pushed to the device too Dec 19 21:00:15 yeah, been looking into that too Dec 19 21:00:23 not sure if Boxee pushes notifications like XBMC does Dec 19 21:00:24 i'm trying to figure out why you'd want to... but it'd be neat none the less Dec 19 21:00:39 I'm sure it does since Boxee is just a few layers on top of XBMC Dec 19 21:00:54 well, maybe stuff like an interactive scrubber Dec 19 21:01:31 yeah Dec 19 21:02:38 blah... my api for eve is almost ready for a 1.0 release... i'm so tired of parsing xml Dec 19 21:03:02 their api uses 34 xml docs and it's so intricate. Dec 19 21:03:48 it's EVE, what did you expect :p Dec 19 21:04:06 yeah Dec 19 21:05:10 my region is at war with a buncha russians right now Dec 19 21:05:50 it's getting interesting... probably be another large war in the next 2 weeks. most of the capital ships are moving into position already. Dec 19 21:06:06 * mugen- rambles Dec 19 21:06:28 * SineOt head scratches, trying to figure out a good way to handle keyboard support Dec 19 21:06:40 how so? Dec 19 21:07:05 all of the keypress events can't handle sym+key things... Unless you're holding sym DOWN when pressing the other key Dec 19 21:07:12 which... I don't know, do people even do that? :p Dec 19 21:07:52 i do sometimes Dec 19 21:08:05 but do you do it all the time? Dec 19 21:08:10 no :\ Dec 19 21:08:19 and i'm sure that's an exception Dec 19 21:08:46 well hell Dec 19 21:08:56 Maximum call stack size exceeded Dec 19 21:09:04 hehe Dec 19 21:10:48 * SineOt is trying to get a text field to dump its delicious, delicious JSON to the log Dec 19 21:22:30 any reg ex experts in the house? P: Dec 19 21:23:37 how complicated are you making them ? Dec 19 21:23:50 Not very (I hope) Dec 19 21:24:10 I have a text field that sends an update with every keypress. Basically just need to figure out what the new keypress is/was Dec 19 21:26:12 why do you need to do a regex for that Dec 19 21:26:35 does the text field expose that? Dec 19 21:27:02 the keypress events don't handle sym+key stuff like for 6 Dec 19 21:27:11 unless you're still holding sym when you press g Dec 19 21:27:41 if there's an easier way I'm all ears P: Dec 19 21:28:23 how were you going to do it with regex's ? Dec 19 21:28:41 No idea, hence asking! Dec 19 21:28:49 Text fields expose the old value, and the new value Dec 19 21:28:59 I guess I could iterate through it with string.length? Dec 19 21:29:39 you need to know each character value? or the final value? Dec 19 21:29:47 final value Dec 19 21:29:51 you just want the delta between two strings ? Dec 19 21:29:53 so a 6 is a 6 Dec 19 21:30:01 actually I think I figured this out, let me test it Dec 19 21:30:10 SineOt: the final value in the text field? Dec 19 21:30:16 yes Dec 19 21:30:27 listen to Mojo.Event.propertyChange on the TEXTFIELD Dec 19 21:30:43 and set changeOnKeyPress to true in your textfield attributes Dec 19 21:30:52 (might be wrong attribute name) Dec 19 21:31:14 wait sine... maybe you're going about this the wrong way Dec 19 21:31:28 SineOt! do it the way I said Dec 19 21:31:35 I already do that! P: Dec 19 21:31:35 you're sending the entire string over to the text field on boxee, right? Dec 19 21:31:50 no, you have to send it character by character as a keypress Dec 19 21:31:59 ah... k, then i'm a tool. Dec 19 21:32:01 ignore me :) Dec 19 21:32:24 how come you need a textfield? Dec 19 21:32:30 SineOt: this way won't send each individual key, just the total Dec 19 21:32:38 it locks sym Dec 19 21:32:47 ex press sym, release, then press g returns a 6 Dec 19 21:32:53 contents = event.value.charAt((event.value.length-1)); Dec 19 21:32:58 returns the last enter character :V Dec 19 21:33:04 yeah Dec 19 21:33:06 That was much easier than I thought Dec 19 21:33:09 I'd do the method I said, with that Dec 19 21:33:14 Yeah Dec 19 21:33:18 that's what I have set up right now Dec 19 21:33:34 changeOnKeyPress: true, Dec 19 21:34:12 sometimes babbling on is all it takes to figure out a problem! Dec 19 21:35:32 unless it's me... then i just sound like a moron Dec 19 21:36:00 that's what the woman says :P Dec 19 21:36:47 heh Dec 19 21:45:10 so is palm still giving away plus:es to devs? Dec 19 21:45:25 asked that yesterday, don't remember if i ever got an answer :) Dec 19 21:45:42 woot added humblebundle to my steam acct Dec 19 21:46:00 b0bben_: i saw something about that on the palm homepage Dec 19 21:46:18 fahhem: frontpage? Dec 19 21:46:22 any url to that? Dec 19 21:46:36 no, sorry, it's a pixi plus to verizon contract renewers Dec 19 21:49:17 you can request $200 off the pre 2, don't see anything about the pre plus anymore Dec 19 21:49:37 the weird thing about palm is that everything related to developers goes through pdc[at]palm.com, right? Dec 19 21:49:58 how many people do they have filtering the spam, update requests, discount requests, and misc? Dec 19 21:50:02 fahhem: pre2 dev phone is still not available outside of US Dec 19 21:50:19 fahhem: 1, and that would be chuq :) Dec 19 21:50:44 How can I change the blue text of a list selector label to white? Dec 19 21:50:47 its unlocked, why can't you use it? Dec 19 21:51:03 css? Dec 19 21:51:24 I made a class for the list selector and it only changes the color of the selected item from the popup Dec 19 21:51:31 The label remains bluie Dec 19 21:51:36 blue* Dec 19 21:52:00 try doing "#list_selector * { color: white; }" Dec 19 21:52:20 that does all children of the list_selector, it might be really bad though Dec 19 21:52:37 if you find the tag name of the list selector, you can replace * with it Dec 19 21:53:06 Do I just copy and paste the stuff in "" into my css file? Because just doing that it didn't change anything. Dec 19 21:57:15 well, you have to change list_selector to the id of your list selector Dec 19 21:57:32 oh, you said class, change #list_selector to .class where class is the class you set Dec 19 21:59:16 That only changes the text of the popup selection instead of the label. :( Dec 19 22:00:32 try replacing * to * * Dec 19 22:00:54 this prolly isn't the best way to do this, btw Dec 19 22:01:06 Nope. Didn't work. :( Dec 19 22:01:23 I haven't been able to find anything online about changing the label color Dec 19 22:01:31 It seems like you'd be able to Dec 19 22:02:14 i'd just keep adding * to that rule until i hit it or i was at like 8 Dec 19 22:02:39 if at 8 it doesn't work, it means there's a more-specific rule covering it, at which point you'd need to the css of it Dec 19 22:02:53 i wonder if there's a firebug equivalent in webos? Dec 19 22:03:20 host mode w/ chrome Dec 19 22:03:58 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744 Dec 19 22:03:59 at the bottom Dec 19 22:04:22 then you should do that and get the class of the label you need using the inspector in chrome Dec 19 22:05:16 oh, that's new and really useful! go host mode! Dec 19 22:33:59 * halfhalo has reddot Dec 19 22:42:55 the Pre+ I think ended October 31st, but yeah Dec 19 22:43:29 oh yeah and Host Mode is awesome! Dec 19 22:43:33 * SineOt is so slooooow. Dec 19 22:43:40 lol Dec 19 22:43:42 so, i'm hooked up Dec 19 22:44:06 if FBI don't get me for suspected terrorism, i'm good for buying apps in unsupported countries Dec 19 22:44:19 also, appletv will be rocking Hulu and Netflix Dec 19 22:44:34 got myself some foreign credit cards :D Dec 19 22:44:43 heh :] Dec 19 22:51:33 o.O Dec 19 22:51:49 sup mugen-? Dec 19 22:52:01 keyboard support should be done in the next like hour or so :9 Dec 19 22:52:11 sweet :D Dec 19 22:52:36 finally found someone to buy my storm2 Dec 19 22:52:45 yay craigslist Dec 19 22:52:59 yeah craigslist is awesome Dec 19 22:53:11 aside from all the people who WAY lowball you and try to haggle to like... 75% off Dec 19 22:54:42 ~selling for 50$! clean ESN! blah blah blah~ "can u do 15$" Dec 19 22:55:14 aw, hell... hrm. Dec 19 22:55:19 How to handle backspace might be a problem Dec 19 22:59:19 * SineOt gets creative with keypress events! Dec 19 22:59:33 lol Dec 19 22:59:38 yeah, lowballers suck Dec 19 23:00:01 so do the people that think they can get almost full retail for a phone without original box/cables/etc Dec 19 23:00:27 i'm trying to source an HD7 and there's so many people that want $400 for just the phone and charger Dec 19 23:01:13 we were selling an LG Dare with charger and box for 50 and TONS of people wanted to low ball us to like 15$ Dec 19 23:02:14 jeez Dec 19 23:02:16 idiots Dec 19 23:02:36 oddly enough our ENv2 didn't get lowballed @_@ Dec 19 23:02:42 went for 50$ pretty easy Dec 19 23:03:40 hehe Dec 19 23:04:03 god re:afterlife had a good soundtrack Dec 19 23:08:05 How can I get the value of a list selector? It isn't updating when the user selects something. Dec 19 23:39:50 ughhhhh, Fry's you taunt me so Dec 19 23:40:06 Apple compatible 8GB SO-DIMM kits for 99$ Dec 19 23:44:21 doitdoitdoit Dec 19 23:44:24 I did Dec 19 23:45:16 what Mini do you have again halfhalo? Dec 19 23:45:24 because my god cracking this thing open was like a puzzle Dec 19 23:45:27 2.26GHz one Dec 19 23:45:39 Heh, I have done it many times Dec 19 23:45:47 and have a dedicated paint scraper for it Dec 19 23:50:03 yeah Dec 19 23:50:20 I think I routed the bluetooth wires right but :C Dec 19 23:58:25 SineOt: do it. 8GB for my laptop is a big difference in usability Dec 20 00:05:18 SineOt: yeah that's a seriously good deal Dec 20 00:06:05 I would nab that right away :p too bad I already paid more for mine though Dec 20 00:07:54 Yeah for sure Dec 20 00:08:01 GN folks Dec 20 00:08:06 night b0bben_ Dec 20 00:08:09 thanks for testing my app out :p Dec 20 00:08:15 haha, np man Dec 20 00:19:16 SineOt: for your app, are you basically sending keypresses live? Dec 20 00:19:40 yes Dec 20 00:20:05 the API expects keys one at a time Dec 20 00:20:21 but I might adjust it and just have it send at all once and iterate through a string, sending characters one by one Dec 20 00:20:52 because I'm running into issues with backspacing on the textField, where the backspace isn't caught as a real key event, so it returns instead the last letter again Dec 20 00:22:01 so if i typed "acb" you'd get events "a" "c" "a" "b" or what? Dec 20 00:22:48 At the moment, with how I have it set up, if you typed that it'd send that yeah Dec 20 00:23:06 which would be annoying to say the least Dec 20 00:23:42 but by using a text field instead of the way that I had it before, it supports 'capturing' the sym keys Dec 20 00:31:23 Hmmm... 203 GB. IS IT WORTH IT?! D: Dec 20 00:33:04 !! Dec 20 00:33:21 I don't have room my pre for something that big Dec 20 00:33:37 Reminds me of the old original iPod hacks Dec 20 00:33:44 where people hooked up 3.5" drives to them Dec 20 00:34:36 some of those android phones are big enough to hide 2.5" SSDs Dec 20 00:36:29 it's funny that phones spent so many years shrinking and now they're doing the opposite Dec 20 00:37:11 they kind of hit a point where feature wise they're all so similar it really only leaves a few places where you can differentiate yourself Dec 20 00:37:20 via Android skins or bigger screen sizes, that sort of thing Dec 20 00:37:53 waiting for the first dual screen phone, one on each side Dec 20 00:38:03 already done P: Dec 20 00:38:16 dual full size touch screens? Dec 20 00:38:28 there's a few where it's a full touchscreen on the outside of the flip, then you open it and there's another inside + qwerty Dec 20 00:39:01 I'm thinking more like an iphone where you can't tell which side is which Dec 20 00:39:44 at that point, it's kind of like "why" Dec 20 00:40:01 going to switch my gf to verizon compatible prepaid like I use but I'm having a hard time finding a phone for her, since she wants to go back to a flip phone Dec 20 00:40:04 yeah Dec 20 00:40:15 I think they're almost there already Dec 20 00:40:29 with stuff like the flips where it opens and gives you QWERTY too it kind of makes sense Dec 20 00:40:35 but dual like that is like "why" Dec 20 00:40:57 the ENv Pro or whatever the canned android one was was interesting Dec 20 00:41:02 actually the think that impressed me most was that phone with eink keys Dec 20 00:41:09 *thing Dec 20 00:41:21 yeah Dec 20 00:41:37 http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/02/lg-env-pro-pictured-canceled-for-failure-to-impress-testers/ Dec 20 00:41:43 I almost wouldn't mind a full eink phone Dec 20 00:42:06 for the keys, or for the keys and screen? Dec 20 00:42:48 everything, I think you could do wonders with the battery life Dec 20 00:43:06 be great for technophobes Dec 20 00:43:34 Moto did that for the screen on one phone Dec 20 00:43:48 Motofone F3 Dec 20 00:45:02 she's already pointed out a phone she wants but it's US Cellular only...I wish the phone market here wasn't so screwy Dec 20 00:45:14 Phone markets everywhere are screwy Dec 20 00:45:21 What phone was it? Dec 20 00:45:49 samsung gloss Dec 20 00:46:15 and you're looking for something VZW, yeah? Dec 20 00:46:18 It looks like the LG Lotus Dec 20 00:46:21 yeah Dec 20 00:47:09 hmm so it does Dec 20 00:47:20 LG Lotus is Sprint through Dec 20 00:47:29 naturally Dec 20 00:49:49 howdy! Dec 20 00:57:22 heh, maybe I'll just get her a pixi and a copy of angry birds... Dec 20 00:58:20 Pixi is always a good choice :] Dec 20 00:59:25 * SineOt is WAY CURIOUS about broadway! Dec 20 01:07:13 what do you think broadway is going to be like ? Dec 20 01:08:25 SineOt, how's the app coming? Dec 20 01:08:33 we gots kb func yet? Dec 20 01:08:58 bpadalino: They say the neon lights are bright... Dec 20 01:09:17 haven't seen a floodout in a long itme Dec 20 01:09:35 destinal: does it come with lots of showtunes for ringers ? Dec 20 01:11:17 bpadalino: it certainly ought to Dec 20 01:13:31 bpadalino: they say there's always magic in the air.. Dec 20 01:13:47 mugen-: mostly, but still working on it Dec 20 01:13:51 keep getting distracted Dec 20 01:13:54 by Peter Gabriel Dec 20 01:14:00 lol Dec 20 01:14:06 he's a funny bastard Dec 20 01:14:20 he's amazing Dec 20 01:14:27 I'm so glad that I got to see him live :3c Dec 20 01:14:29 bpadalino: we already have a theme song they need to license to run "on broadway." :) Dec 20 01:14:32 wait... you're talking the musician Dec 20 01:14:38 yes Dec 20 01:14:39 i was thinking of someone else Dec 20 01:14:40 yes I am Dec 20 01:15:00 Broadway from what I think will be a Pixi, but like... Tiny. Dec 20 01:15:09 Tiny tiny. Non-replaceable battery. Thin. Maybe a slider. Dec 20 01:15:13 SineOt: would that make its name ironic? Dec 20 01:16:08 Dec 20 01:16:33 Well, broad but it's really the narrowest device etc Dec 20 01:17:11 maybe it'll have a high-res screen Dec 20 01:17:19 Yeah, but spin the media/web focus and you've got your "broad" regardless of the size of the device Dec 20 01:17:29 it got picked up in logs Dec 20 01:17:42 oh right..duh Dec 20 01:17:45 Loudergood, that's the single most enticing option for me... Dec 20 01:17:49 it's 320x400, nonreplaceable battery, running "Nova-Blowfish" and "Nova-Barleywine" Dec 20 01:17:53 i really want a 800x480 screen damnit Dec 20 01:18:03 but whatever those code names map to is anyone's guess Dec 20 01:18:19 i guess we'll find out at mobile world congress in february Dec 20 01:18:25 SineOt: I'm willing to bet that 320x400 is a lie Dec 20 01:19:32 It's possible, yeah Dec 20 01:19:33 I think a number of their devices, especially in-development devices, claim 320x400 when they're not Dec 20 01:19:47 I'd imagine they'd report 320x480 Dec 20 01:20:02 SineOt: also, Nova = webos Dec 20 01:20:20 because even on my Pixi right now it still treats itself as having a 480 high screen Dec 20 01:20:25 SineOt: so that would make Blowfish and Barleywine internal testing codenames for non-version-numbered webos builds Dec 20 01:20:35 destinal: I know, I meant more what version numbers they might represent Dec 20 01:20:46 like "Blowfish = 3.0" or something Dec 20 01:21:16 well one could be a tablet build and another the new mobile handset build, that would make sense Dec 20 01:21:35 Yeah but why would a tablet build and handset build both be running on one device? Dec 20 01:21:58 shits and giggles? Dec 20 01:22:00 * mugen- shrugs. Dec 20 01:29:23 aghghhhhh distractions, the downfall of me Dec 20 01:29:38 time to learn LOOPS Dec 20 01:30:20 the best thing to learn about them is to use them sparingly Dec 20 01:30:54 hence why I've never learned them before Dec 20 01:33:33 not sure if I like them or recursion more Dec 20 02:09:47 . Dec 20 02:15:22 SineOt: loops? like for/while loops? Dec 20 02:15:45 yeah Dec 20 02:23:57 * SineOt ponders the implications of making Ajax calls while in a while loop... Dec 20 02:24:41 well, they're async so they won't slow the loop down much Dec 20 02:24:59 I'm more worried about them getting so far out of sync that it's sending characters out of order Dec 20 02:25:06 but your app should combine as many as it can into one Dec 20 02:25:25 the API only supports doing them character by character :/ Dec 20 02:25:41 so it's probably going to be anywhere from 5 to 30 calls Dec 20 02:25:43 can you have one request with multiple API calls in it? Dec 20 02:26:08 can you link me the API so I don't ask you basic questions? Dec 20 02:26:14 http://developer.boxee.tv/Remote_Control_Interface Dec 20 02:26:45 http://:/xbmcCmds/xbmcHttp?command=SendKey() Dec 20 02:26:53 So I don't think I can string more than one together Dec 20 02:27:09 hmmm Dec 20 02:27:36 I guess I could build in some kind of stall in it Dec 20 02:28:13 do you have a way to physically test it? Dec 20 02:28:22 yup Dec 20 02:28:26 i know the requests are async, but i think they're still executed in order Dec 20 02:28:29 I've got XBMC/Boxee set ups Dec 20 02:28:33 i guess not async but non-blocking Dec 20 02:28:35 Well, only one way to find out! Dec 20 02:28:36 Let's try it out Dec 20 02:28:44 or look it up in the docs :) Dec 20 02:28:45 paz Dec 20 02:37:58 doesn't help that i can't google for Ajax.Request docs Dec 20 02:38:17 api.prototypejs.org Dec 20 02:38:36 http://api.prototypejs.org/ajax/Ajax/Request/ to be exact Dec 20 02:39:44 wow, been a while... Dec 20 02:41:01 doh. Is there a way to check how much space you take up on [redacted]? Dec 20 02:41:51 depends on what [redacted] is! Dec 20 02:41:54 i'm gonna guess no since [redacted] has [redacted]MB of RAM Dec 20 02:42:18 well [redacted] has a limit. and I want to see how close I am to that limit. Dec 20 02:43:17 can you hint what it is? phone? tablet? etc Dec 20 02:43:25 if it runs linux, you can find out somehow Dec 20 02:43:28 a storage system Dec 20 02:43:31 for webOS apps Dec 20 02:44:25 well, at the very least, run "df -h" before and after you install/use space Dec 20 02:44:44 not a bad idea Dec 20 02:44:49 though if it's the database, you can say to move it to the external storage Dec 20 02:45:15 once its there, the folder its in is documented somewhere and you can just use Internalz or something to view it Dec 20 02:52:29 just did a calculation, looks like I'll be fine **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 20 02:59:58 2010