**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 02 02:59:58 2011 Jan 02 04:10:22 the number of people who have bugged me in the last 20 hours about where enyo is now that it is 2011 is hilarious. Jan 02 04:10:44 :D Jan 02 04:11:45 I'd much prefer to keep waiting and let hype get completely out of control, if it hasn't already Jan 02 04:12:02 bastard Jan 02 04:14:08 :D Jan 02 04:16:46 'early' 2011 means 1/1/11, doesn't it? Jan 02 04:19:35 yes Jan 02 04:19:40 it does Jan 02 04:20:04 I think 1/1/11 does not conflict with 'early', but does not exactly equal it -) Jan 02 04:21:20 lemme know when to enable a google alert on 'enyo webos', if you know what i mean Jan 02 04:21:53 clearly sometime in early 2011 would be a good idea ;-) Jan 02 04:23:36 probably a bit later than if assassin's creed brotherhood had not come out Jan 02 04:24:51 lol Jan 02 04:24:54 fun? Jan 02 04:25:31 sweet jesus yes. but I was addicted to AC2, which likely caused at least a day or two delay in ares a year ago Jan 02 04:25:42 heh Jan 02 04:26:04 * halfhalo is playing random games right now since he doesn;t want to start a full game this week Jan 02 04:26:26 * oil still needs to finish new vegas Jan 02 04:26:33 twas fun Jan 02 04:26:44 mattsmcnulty: don't you have a boss with access to these logs? Jan 02 04:26:53 haha Jan 02 04:27:02 he's probly busy playing as well Jan 02 04:27:04 oh, I have the perfect save game for new vegas, where I can choose which ending I want to pursue Jan 02 04:27:10 nice! Jan 02 04:27:31 i stopped playing when veronica got buggy Jan 02 04:27:31 fahhem: nope, though lemke I know records all this, but he works for me, not vice versa Jan 02 04:27:37 and would stop fasttraveling with me Jan 02 04:27:40 and would walk everywhere Jan 02 04:27:43 hmm... far cry 2? setting massive fires is always fun... Jan 02 04:27:47 all of NV is buggy Jan 02 04:27:49 hahahahaha Jan 02 04:27:50 yeah Jan 02 04:27:53 * halfhalo agrees Jan 02 04:28:02 it was freaking less buggy when I played it at e3 Jan 02 04:28:03 well, so was fallout 3 Jan 02 04:28:17 NV is like 10x more buggy than 3, imo Jan 02 04:28:18 * halfhalo is waiting for brink which is _amazing_ Jan 02 04:28:37 but with 3, none of the bugs made me not want to keep playing Jan 02 04:29:16 agreed Jan 02 04:29:41 you know what was an oddly decent game? james bond blood stone Jan 02 04:30:35 I think I've played like 15 hours of AC:B in th elast day Jan 02 04:30:44 but we are off between xmas and NY, so it's all good ;-) Jan 02 04:30:49 haha Jan 02 04:30:51 nice Jan 02 04:30:58 * halfhalo has it but has not played it Jan 02 04:31:00 * oil never finished ac2 either :/ Jan 02 04:31:07 neither did I Jan 02 04:31:14 AC2 I played like every second over thanksgiving 09 Jan 02 04:31:19 * oil is starting to see a pattern here Jan 02 04:31:22 lol Jan 02 04:31:24 2011 -- Q4 -- Forza 4 -- yum! Jan 02 04:32:07 GT5 in 3d with a wheel is awesome. I need to try forza but the 3d has me hooked Jan 02 04:32:31 * halfhalo hasn't opened gt5 either Jan 02 04:32:45 i still haven't played GT5 :( Jan 02 04:32:56 * oil is not a simulation racing game fan Jan 02 04:33:01 * oil prefers arcade style racers Jan 02 04:33:03 forza and gt fill two separate gaps tho... Jan 02 04:33:04 its gran turismo! Jan 02 04:33:11 BURNOUT Jan 02 04:33:15 oh, oh, oh! Jan 02 04:33:16 AFTERTOUCH TAKEDOWN Jan 02 04:33:20 vanilla ice project! Jan 02 04:33:24 burnout used to be AWESOME Jan 02 04:33:31 until Jan 02 04:33:35 ugh... Jan 02 04:33:35 yeah, burnout Jan 02 04:33:38 you aren't one of those pre-takedown fans are you Jan 02 04:33:43 nono Jan 02 04:33:49 the one before paradise Jan 02 04:33:55 revenge? Jan 02 04:33:58 never played it, wasn't interested Jan 02 04:34:03 paradise is p. alright though Jan 02 04:34:04 revenge was the best Jan 02 04:34:07 needs aftertouch takedowns Jan 02 04:34:12 and a restart button Jan 02 04:34:12 paradise they lost direction :( Jan 02 04:34:20 * halfhalo feels like playing some crysis Jan 02 04:34:25 dominator was awesome Jan 02 04:34:32 that's another i still haven't played Jan 02 04:34:34 4 different versions of Girlfriend :D Jan 02 04:34:34 crysis Jan 02 04:34:45 just don't have the tek to enjoy it properly Jan 02 04:34:56 * halfhalo does in stunning high def Jan 02 04:34:59 I was desperate for someone else on the ares team to finish ac2 so I could discuss but none of em did Jan 02 04:35:09 hahahaha Jan 02 04:35:10 rub it in :P Jan 02 04:35:12 ac2? Jan 02 04:35:18 bring in a ps3 to work and make them finish it Jan 02 04:35:20 yo what's with all this "no displaying local files" stuff Jan 02 04:35:34 tried to display a local file in android because for some reason only the browser properly sets the wallpaper Jan 02 04:35:43 NO DICE Jan 02 04:35:48 so then I look to my pre and wonder Jan 02 04:35:56 * torchie type in file:/// Jan 02 04:35:57 I think we have a ps3 in the sunnyvale office that had rock band on it but no one played it. nothing in our SF office though Jan 02 04:35:57 * torchie cry. Jan 02 04:36:00 what is android? Jan 02 04:36:24 * halfhalo has a ps3 setup at work for hulu/netflix, etc Jan 02 04:37:16 android is a monstrosity Jan 02 04:37:19 :D Jan 02 04:37:36 tell that to matias and co Jan 02 04:37:39 :-P Jan 02 04:37:49 well is matias' touch in 2.3? Jan 02 04:38:45 tiny bits from what I hear. we don't discuss, obviously Jan 02 04:39:45 you guys don't like sit at some restaurant fully-suited and try to one-up each other in commit logs or anything? Jan 02 04:39:50 heh Jan 02 04:40:16 nope, though I frequently have dinner with them. have to avoid all work talk. it's pretty funny really Jan 02 04:41:08 man I miss being able to write little js snippets and test them locally Jan 02 04:42:11 meaning in the browser? Jan 02 04:46:46 I think this game has the best soundtrack I've ever heard too Jan 02 04:49:57 I'm feeling to lazy to deal with this gitosis thing right now Jan 02 04:51:29 some penicillin should clear it right up Jan 02 04:52:06 lol Jan 02 04:53:03 AO;EIGJAWOIE;GJAW;OEIJF Jan 02 04:53:05 weren't you ever told to use a wrapper? :P Jan 02 04:53:08 iOS doesn't do it either Jan 02 04:53:12 do? Jan 02 04:53:24 what's ios? Jan 02 04:53:29 :p Jan 02 04:53:41 that thing that does multitasking easier than android Jan 02 04:53:56 ...but not as good as webOS? :D Jan 02 04:54:08 you mean the thing that steve jobs says has the best ui for multitasking but that utterly sucks before the glory that is cards? Jan 02 04:54:16 yes Jan 02 04:54:17 iOS is liquid gold Jan 02 04:54:28 except for the not having the glory that is cards part of course Jan 02 04:54:30 but it is still better than androids multitasking for ease of use Jan 02 04:54:38 android's multitasking is such bull Jan 02 04:54:42 like Jan 02 04:54:48 I've tried three different music apps Jan 02 04:55:02 and you just can't pause a song without exiting an application Jan 02 04:55:18 I'm not going to throw stones when it comes to music apps Jan 02 04:55:33 unless you try doubletwist/winamp's thing where they take over the lock screen Jan 02 04:55:47 sketchy finnicky etc. Jan 02 04:56:00 android's apps are still generally not good. no one seems to pick up on that Jan 02 04:56:04 media, etc Jan 02 04:56:09 any os that's number one app is the likes of "task killer" ... you know it's bs Jan 02 04:56:24 there ARE a few decent, but most are meh Jan 02 04:56:27 the funniest thing about the number one app being the task killer is that yo're not even supposed to use one Jan 02 04:56:48 zune in wp7 and ipod in ios are the only two that got it right Jan 02 04:57:03 I read gizmodo's top apps of the week thing every week, still waiting for one that looks half as decent as the iOS version Jan 02 04:57:08 i think it also has a lot to do with the desktop management tools too Jan 02 04:57:30 zune desktop and itunes are really good media management apps Jan 02 04:58:03 iOS' music player is godly Jan 02 04:58:18 ...why tho? Jan 02 04:58:25 have you seen that thing Jan 02 04:58:41 i mean... it is. but really think about it. it's a simple formula, so why do others fail so miserably Jan 02 04:58:46 and the thing about iOS apps is that it's not like half of them are dedicated to making up for OS shortcomings Jan 02 04:59:09 I suspect most are intimidated by iOS' lead in terms of media Jan 02 04:59:13 android is like, wanna take a screenshot? download an app Jan 02 04:59:14 and aim for other targets Jan 02 04:59:34 mattsmcnulty, yea Jan 02 04:59:38 why not a music player with at least equivalent organization features to iOS music? Jan 02 04:59:59 torchie, so get to making a competitor ;) Jan 02 05:00:02 I mean do you have to be tied to a sync program for good portable music organization Jan 02 05:00:07 * torchie COMPETE Jan 02 05:00:14 * torchie MAGIC Jan 02 05:00:22 write a desktop tool in java to compete with itunes and zune Jan 02 05:00:44 and then marry it to a nice music/media app on webOS or go further and make a phonegap app Jan 02 05:00:51 DOMINATE Jan 02 05:01:06 I think writing a tool in java that looks half as good as a native one like itunes or zune is near impossible. also suspect that is why android apps look poopy too Jan 02 05:01:15 yup Jan 02 05:01:17 yup Jan 02 05:01:22 that's exactly it Jan 02 05:01:27 ehhhh Jan 02 05:01:34 java AND phonegap? Jan 02 05:01:50 ...which goes back to my original question. is the key to a good music/media app, the desktop tool? Jan 02 05:02:00 let's just write everything in a vacuum as if there's no such thing as native applications, that'll get us an equivalent solution to itunes on a mac + iOS music right Jan 02 05:02:10 torchie, i was being facetious Jan 02 05:02:14 o Jan 02 05:02:19 what's wrong with doubletwist Jan 02 05:02:25 doubletwist isn't like Jan 02 05:02:27 THE solution Jan 02 05:02:31 yeah Jan 02 05:02:32 it's a solution Jan 02 05:02:34 but it's like Jan 02 05:02:35 w Jan 02 05:02:37 what phone is it for Jan 02 05:02:45 i know it works with android and it works with pre but Jan 02 05:02:47 what phone is it for Jan 02 05:02:50 wow, I just looked at their site and they clearly think it is 100% for android now Jan 02 05:02:54 f--kers Jan 02 05:02:58 ugh Jan 02 05:03:00 well the android one has that airsync thing Jan 02 05:03:30 whomever gets to streaming your whole library from the cloud with a decent solution has the chance to one-up apple, if they can get there first, imo Jan 02 05:03:44 ...PAAAALM? Jan 02 05:03:46 :D? Jan 02 05:03:51 hmm apparently with a bit of black magic you can run an html page locally on iOS Jan 02 05:04:30 you can keep trying but I am not giving away a thing Jan 02 05:04:48 :p Jan 02 05:04:48 then again this is from the jailbroken filebrowser -- Jan 02 05:04:51 * torchie tries internalz Jan 02 05:06:03 hmm, what's this melodeo thing... Jan 02 05:06:35 yo what about a mediasmart related solution Jan 02 05:07:18 yo how do you mean? Jan 02 05:07:22 I'm a mac dude - have no clue about those things Jan 02 05:07:36 hah Jan 02 05:07:45 I don't either Jan 02 05:07:56 but didn't hp have some kind of home server Jan 02 05:08:02 yeah Jan 02 05:08:05 running whs Jan 02 05:08:09 * halfhalo played with one Jan 02 05:08:12 ugh... don't get me started Jan 02 05:08:15 there's some nice features in em, but they were slightly pricey for my tinkering tastes, so I got a mac mini for the home theater system instead Jan 02 05:08:23 half, did you burn it to the ground? Jan 02 05:08:29 would that be easier to set up online access to your media library than just doing it on your mac/pc? Jan 02 05:08:35 WHS is nasty Jan 02 05:08:37 nah Jan 02 05:08:57 ...you liked it? Jan 02 05:09:08 never used it Jan 02 05:09:08 it was decent for what it doed Jan 02 05:09:10 did Jan 02 05:09:18 heh Jan 02 05:09:18 I think you don't want to actually stream it from your home machine Jan 02 05:09:20 I wanted to set up ampache to work between my pre and mac Jan 02 05:09:22 but man Jan 02 05:09:22 but rather stream copies fromt he cloud Jan 02 05:09:24 what a pain Jan 02 05:09:34 that sounds like way too many strings attached Jan 02 05:10:58 what, streaming from the cloud? Jan 02 05:11:36 I think if you can prove you have a copy, meaning it is in your itunes/etc library, they should just let you do it, but I doubt the media companies will ignore a chance to charge again Jan 02 05:11:53 yup Jan 02 05:12:17 i hate .. loathe drm .. i am much more a fan of tracking Jan 02 05:13:04 especially in different and interesting ways Jan 02 05:15:01 So I heard you wanted to listen to your entire music library but it's JUST TOO LARGE to store on your 64GB iphone? Jan 02 05:15:07 well try our new MobileMeMusic solution! Jan 02 05:15:40 for only $99 a year you can store up to 16 more GB of music, images, and video* Jan 02 05:15:53 * $50 extra for 32 GB Jan 02 05:15:55 I think it is in apple's interest to keep you instead buying larger ipods and iphones Jan 02 05:16:02 * iTunes-approved files only Jan 02 05:16:04 which may be why they havent done this yet Jan 02 05:16:17 when the music is in the cloud they lose some control Jan 02 05:16:29 storage is a pretty compelling feature as you keep amassing stuff Jan 02 05:16:44 streaming from home would be pretty nice I think but that's just me Jan 02 05:16:59 hey a phone with 128GB internal ain't a bad thing Jan 02 05:18:00 instant gratification has killed it for us, tho .. no planning required means having to be prepared with everything Jan 02 05:18:00 but imagine a world where you can buy from any device and listen from any device without syncing or downloading Jan 02 05:18:19 sounds like a great world Jan 02 05:18:20 mattsmcnulty: but that also gives revocation rights away as well Jan 02 05:18:40 I bet you'd hit the 5GB limit carriers have doing that Jan 02 05:18:47 possibly. I think it could be done Jan 02 05:18:52 true Jan 02 05:18:59 don't fool yourselves... we'll be there in the next 10 years Jan 02 05:19:04 though streaming music isn't nearly as bad as video Jan 02 05:19:06 if home servers were just like bim boom bam Jan 02 05:19:15 I think we'll be there within 12 mo Jan 02 05:19:25 hinting towards something there? :o Jan 02 05:19:30 there's no technical reason why it can't be done right now - it is only a business/licensing issue Jan 02 05:19:42 i'm thinking full on 720/1080p over cell technologies Jan 02 05:19:43 nope, I dont have any knowledge of that side of things Jan 02 05:20:25 i think we'll get there - but i think it will be done smarter - and less brute force than wireless streaming Jan 02 05:20:36 i don't like the idea of the contingency plan .. Jan 02 05:20:40 even though you could technically do live 1080p streaming with the latest LTE/WiMAX tech out there... it'll still be a few years after that before it's a common occurance Jan 02 05:20:43 having everything with you Jan 02 05:20:45 true. could easily be done where it only streams to sycn Jan 02 05:21:04 but - i do like the idea of syncing via calendar events and juggling around things automatically Jan 02 05:21:12 I think it will be more than a few years to do 1080p streaming, considering cable and sat don't even do live 1080p yet Jan 02 05:21:36 contingency plan? Jan 02 05:21:40 windows still hasn't realized that spaces in commonly-used folders is a bad idea... stupid 'Program Files' Jan 02 05:21:47 1080p can be compressed to hell and fit within a 1Mbps pipe - so it's better to talk about bitrates Jan 02 05:21:48 i can stream 1080p on certain mpeg4 profiles on my 25x5 cable link here at home Jan 02 05:21:52 yeah Jan 02 05:22:09 torchie: the idea that you have to be ready for anything .. so you carry everything on you Jan 02 05:22:14 LTE isn't far behind that number Jan 02 05:22:14 just saying the big guys aren't even doing it on their own pipes yet Jan 02 05:22:14 windows doesn't know a lot of things Jan 02 05:22:15 AA Jan 02 05:22:21 just netflix, xbox, etc, compressed to high hell Jan 02 05:22:21 sounds like a good plan Jan 02 05:22:25 because sometimes Jan 02 05:22:28 you have to be ready for anything Jan 02 05:22:42 so carry everything on you Jan 02 05:22:42 hence the 10 year estimate :) Jan 02 05:22:43 torchie: i think you just need to be able to plan quickly and adapt Jan 02 05:22:47 you don't need everything Jan 02 05:23:47 well yeah I mean you can't always carry the RPG Jan 02 05:23:49 I think in 10 years we'll be demanding 4K and 8K content ;-) Jan 02 05:23:56 mmmmm Jan 02 05:23:56 sometimes you just gotta settle for an AK Jan 02 05:23:59 god i hope so matt :D Jan 02 05:24:04 oh i agree with that completely .. 4k is very nice Jan 02 05:24:08 8K on our phones :D Jan 02 05:24:17 TI OMAP 8960 Jan 02 05:24:42 8k on a phone would mean processors and esp batteries that have not been invented yet, or even close Jan 02 05:24:48 snapdragon crucifix overdrive pro Jan 02 05:24:51 the omap4 can decode 3 or 4 HD streams? Jan 02 05:24:53 much less screens Jan 02 05:24:54 samsung swordfish Jan 02 05:24:59 if it did 4, you could do 4k content on an omap4 Jan 02 05:25:02 apple A82 Jan 02 05:25:09 i'm going to be pissed if we don't have goddamn holographic shit in 10 years Jan 02 05:25:21 man if we Jan 02 05:25:27 if in Jan 02 05:25:28 MAN Jan 02 05:25:31 if in 10 years Jan 02 05:25:33 we can't go plaid Jan 02 05:25:42 why even live Jan 02 05:26:31 i don't like the idea of trying to push everything over cellular, tho .. i like fast pipes places .. but trying to push that much data to lots of users will just go down in flames Jan 02 05:27:53 there's a lot of space in the convenience area that can still be explored .. better calendaring for enterprise people .. better event reconciliation for multiple events scheduled at the same time Jan 02 05:28:15 making people's lives easier by having the content available to them that they want .. or anticipating the content they want Jan 02 05:29:06 anticipating? Jan 02 05:29:19 eg, i use google reader to star or share an item which contains a video .. Jan 02 05:29:20 like determining everyone wants to read girl with the dragon tattoo? Jan 02 05:29:40 that video, knowing i found it interesting, is downloaded to the phone in anticipation that i may want to show someone Jan 02 05:30:11 sure, but this is analogous to all of those pre-fetching web browser things for mobile that would try and speed up browsing Jan 02 05:31:14 mattsmcnulty: but i think it goes a bit beyond that and eases the transition from the office/desk to mobile Jan 02 05:31:38 i live most of my day at a computer desk .. doing my office job .. and inbetween that, i use mobile .. Jan 02 05:32:09 I live most of my day in meeting rooms or driving around or walking between meetings, so I'm way more focused on mobile Jan 02 05:33:10 mattsmcnulty: in the end it's all about not breaking your context, right? Jan 02 05:33:57 so if i have to re-do what i was doing to get the same results (re-search, re-reference, etc) - then there's something that can be improved there Jan 02 05:34:57 sure, but I think users just being able to pull the data when they want to any device is the ideal, which is all I am really saying Jan 02 05:34:58 moreover, if those types of actions can be anticipated - then the context stays intact and the flow continues Jan 02 05:35:07 any predictive stuff is a nice compliment to that Jan 02 05:37:05 there are two things that I would love to see on a mobile device. A guest mode, and automated syncing (like dropbox, but using the phone as a storage medium with the process transparently done) Jan 02 05:37:29 guest mode for a phone is a good idea - i actually kinda like it Jan 02 05:37:38 bed time Jan 02 05:37:52 becomes way more critical in a tablet, if one were so inclined to manufacture such a thing Jan 02 05:38:01 Yeah, a mode that would lock down all the apps save for say, the phone app Jan 02 05:38:06 I would use it constantly Jan 02 05:41:19 only if setting it works quickly Jan 02 05:41:26 so that when people pick up your phone they don't find your um Jan 02 05:41:28 ahem Jan 02 05:41:38 "files" Jan 02 05:41:42 and booty call logs Jan 02 05:41:51 and pictures of unicorns Jan 02 05:42:09 stop talking about calls from your mom like that, torchie Jan 02 05:42:22 I assign all of my bootie calls unicorn avatars Jan 02 05:42:43 I assign all of my booty calls unicron avatars Jan 02 05:43:03 * halfhalo has a seperate phone for that Jan 02 05:44:19 keep a lil xpressmusic 5130 on the side Jan 02 05:48:38 so that's what you call your mistress? Jan 02 05:49:55 yeah she finds phone names hot Jan 02 05:49:58 * halfhalo yells at devise Jan 02 05:50:07 I love to press her volume buttons Jan 02 05:50:14 and... Jan 02 05:50:17 ...media keys... Jan 02 05:51:25 * halfhalo smacks devise for naming its freakin migration the same name as an existing one Jan 02 05:55:39 devise? Jan 02 05:56:01 its a rails thing Jan 02 05:58:01 I have a javascript question, performance related Jan 02 05:58:23 go ahead Jan 02 05:59:58 I guess I should just do this one, but can you pass a function as a json argument with objects in the function who are encapuslated and then register the function as an event handler for an element in the object it's passed too? Jan 02 06:00:16 with proper references to the encapsulated elements Jan 02 06:00:43 json isn't actually javascript, i don't think functions are valid data Jan 02 06:01:04 you could instead just pass javascript itself Jan 02 06:01:44 unless your web server is dynamically generating the javascript, why can't you have the function locally and just retrieve the data? Jan 02 06:02:36 it's not that Jan 02 06:03:28 I'm working on something in straight javascript, and I'm trying to create a dynamic way to register events through a controller of sorts Jan 02 06:03:38 you want an object, not json Jan 02 06:03:58 but theoretically you could Jan 02 06:04:42 I really thought you could do {onclick: function(){}} Jan 02 06:04:51 with json Jan 02 06:04:54 hmm Jan 02 06:05:32 not with json, nut with a regular javascript object you can Jan 02 06:05:47 go on... Jan 02 06:06:15 var obj={}; obj.blah=function(){idocraphere} Jan 02 06:06:22 * halfhalo will brb Jan 02 06:06:45 and I could pass object.blah in json? Jan 02 06:06:51 let me see.. Jan 02 06:07:25 nope Jan 02 06:07:28 you can't Jan 02 06:07:39 why is it that you need json? Jan 02 06:08:49 it just makes things convenient for optional arguments Jan 02 06:09:08 use regular objects Jan 02 06:09:43 I would love to learn some of these design patterns used in JS, but when I read about something like MVC observers online it seems like I'm reading old articles Jan 02 06:11:40 if I have a number of objects, I would like each of them to register their own events Jan 02 06:11:50 but I want their events to be able to modify values of other objects Jan 02 06:12:01 so I need some sort of controller to manage the objects Jan 02 06:12:22 and I would love to be able to create custom event functions and pass them to the objects that need them to be registered Jan 02 06:12:37 that way objects manage their own events Jan 02 06:12:40 does that make sense? Jan 02 06:14:17 any thoughts? Jan 02 06:21:10 Man, like... 7 hours now waiting for an update for my Beta Feed app to reject. :/ Jan 02 10:56:50 y0 all Jan 02 10:57:24 what's the proper way of doing settings view? an "Apply" button, or real-time saving that go into effect on back-swipe? Jan 02 10:57:40 both Jan 02 10:57:41 can't seem to find anything about in palms guidelines Jan 02 10:57:57 though most of palm's stuff is back-swipe only Jan 02 10:58:37 oki Jan 02 10:58:42 thx fahhem Jan 02 10:58:47 np Jan 02 10:58:58 wonder what users think.... Jan 02 10:59:47 is back-swipe style a natural way of doing it? do they understand that prefs are in effect the second you swipe back Jan 02 10:59:56 if they read the manual Jan 02 10:59:59 weird at first Jan 02 11:00:33 it's these kind of things that the builtin apps need to be concise with...they set the standard for users Jan 02 11:01:20 well, i'll just go poop now and go thru all of the builtin apps, see how they do it ;) Jan 02 11:01:32 its weird because we're used to other phones at first, but it actually makes a lot of sense Jan 02 11:01:37 haha, ok Jan 02 12:20:39 hi Jan 02 12:21:08 who used komodo whit web-os extensions? Jan 02 12:31:04 Is there anybody around and help me? Jan 02 12:31:18 never heard of komodo, sorry Jan 02 12:31:41 :*( Jan 02 19:22:21 Anyone know why i cant get a remote .pls playlist file to play more than just the first song in the list? Im trying to get my app to launch the playlist file and play it continously Jan 02 19:22:51 right now it plays the first one and stops Jan 02 19:23:37 if i play the same stream in winamp it plays continuously. I guess i need to post in a forum or something Jan 02 21:31:01 mcjesus rainx rocks Jan 02 21:40:27 rainx ? like for windows? Jan 02 22:07:25 Hi, does someone know the name of the wigdet used in the email app to hide/show the folders? The blue line with the triangle on the right. Jan 02 22:14:48 sebastianha: if you install StyleMatters there are examples how to use that thing Jan 02 22:15:16 ok, thanks Jan 02 22:17:06 I should have taken a look at this earlier! Jan 02 22:18:51 stylematters is really helpful! Jan 02 22:19:09 I did know about UIWidgets but this is even better Jan 02 22:19:55 it's like sex, only better! Jan 02 22:19:56 ;) Jan 02 22:19:59 :) Jan 02 22:31:28 hi all Jan 02 22:50:20 * Tibfib_away likes mojomatters best Jan 02 23:07:32 Ugh... :/ It shouldn't take 24+ hours to get a requested rejection on a Beta Feed app. Jan 02 23:08:54 SineOt: palm is on vacation Jan 02 23:09:35 Beta Feed apps aren't supposed to get reviewed, it's dumb that it needs to wait for a review to reject an update when there isn't supposed to be any review. :C Jan 02 23:09:46 yes it is. Jan 02 23:10:32 Defeats the point of the whole no review bit. Jan 02 23:11:04 I wouldn't go that far Jan 02 23:12:58 I dunno, I would. Jan 02 23:14:08 The entire point of me going with the Beta feed was so that I could get updates out fast since it was review-less... I reject an update because I catch a bug before it published, and now I'm probably going to need to wait 2 days for someone to press "reject" somewhere. And can't submit a new update until this one gets rejected. :I Jan 02 23:14:39 It makes sense for the actual catalog feed where stuff -is- getting reviewed. Jan 02 23:15:17 yeah, probably would've been faster to push another version Jan 02 23:16:00 Yeah, in hind sight. Jan 02 23:20:15 but really if that were the way they wanted you to use it they shouldnt have the reject button Jan 02 23:23:24 At least not for beta/web feeds. I had no idea it would trigger an actual review for a reviewless app. Jan 02 23:26:47 act Jan 02 23:27:05 bah. Actually, rejections shouldn't need a reviewer. For catalog or any feed Jan 02 23:27:21 pain in butt Jan 02 23:29:11 Yeah that's basically what my line of thought was. "It'll just reject it!" Jan 02 23:29:37 that's also true Jan 03 00:11:19 SineOt: how's the beta feed update going? Jan 03 00:11:48 still waiting for the rejection to go through, can't push the fixed update until that goes through e_e Jan 03 01:13:22 hmm, can you have an app request info from another app, and have that app return something? Jan 03 01:13:50 I guess you could have a launchMethod with a return app id for the app to call back Jan 03 01:15:41 any easier way? Jan 03 01:29:06 Tibfib: i don't think that's easily done Jan 03 01:29:24 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/09/cross-app-api-implementation/ Jan 03 01:29:42 unless both apps can talk to some web service, and leave packages for each other there....cold-war-spy-shit-style Jan 03 01:30:09 I'm probably going to end up doing launchMethods Jan 03 01:30:15 will work pretty well Jan 03 01:30:24 haha Jan 03 01:30:27 this is fine Jan 03 01:31:49 what am I talking about? Jan 03 01:33:52 Tibfib: are gonna be exchanging info two-ways? that blog post sounded like 1-way communication Jan 03 01:34:02 yeah Jan 03 01:34:09 that's why it won't work for me Jan 03 01:34:16 it could work, if you pass stuff on scene pop Jan 03 01:34:30 but that wouldn't work for me still Jan 03 01:45:25 GN Jan 03 02:32:13 anyone remember which preware app to use to convert the at&t phones for development? Jan 03 02:34:10 you either want metadoctor or palm's skip first use tool right? Jan 03 02:35:14 yeah think so Jan 03 02:36:43 thanks Loudergood Jan 03 02:36:56 no problem **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 03 02:59:58 2011