**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 04 02:59:58 2011
Jan 04 03:31:53 <SineOt> Wonder what the price on the Topaz will be. :o
Jan 04 03:34:00 <SineOt> These Sharp eReader "media" tablets are kind of crazy. 5.5" 1024x600 is pretty cool.
Jan 04 03:42:25 <torchie> where does 5.5" go
Jan 04 03:45:46 <SineOt> Hm?
Jan 04 03:47:34 * oil really hopes the webos tablet is good
Jan 04 03:48:51 * SineOt does too!
Jan 04 03:53:48 <DougReeder> Damn, it takes forever to download a doctor from cdnetworks.net
Jan 04 04:07:33 <torchie> the webos tablet better be godly
Jan 04 04:07:40 <torchie> OR ELSE
Jan 04 04:13:58 <DougReeder> Or else what?
Jan 04 04:17:51 <halfhalo> muuuurder
Jan 04 04:24:34 <haeffb> or else it won't be
Jan 04 04:26:22 <CTLAdvance> OIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 04 04:27:04 <haeffb> oh, right. Or else oil gets the blame.
Jan 04 04:27:05 <halfhalo> he died in a fire
Jan 04 04:27:25 <oil> :/
Jan 04 04:28:05 <halfhalo> muuuuurder
Jan 04 04:28:34 <oil> :(
Jan 04 04:29:49 <CTLAdvance> hey
Jan 04 04:30:09 <CTLAdvance> engadget said some pretty hard shit on oil today... something abouit not doing anything for ui
Jan 04 04:30:12 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/apple-worth-more-than-300-billion-your-first-ipod-barely-pushi/
Jan 04 04:30:39 <oil> lol
Jan 04 04:31:39 * DougReeder snorts
Jan 04 04:33:06 <CTLAdvance> can't think of the last time oil did any hard work revolutionizing device UI
Jan 04 04:33:39 <torchie> OOOOOOOIIIIILLL
Jan 04 04:33:40 <CTLAdvance> I wonder how much hp/palm is paying johnnyPre to tweet about webOS
Jan 04 04:33:48 <dohtem> I guess Engadget hasn't seen wirc yet!
Jan 04 04:34:02 <CTLAdvance> he is almost every 3rd tweet if not more if you follow #webos
Jan 04 04:34:06 <torchie> wirc - the only good mobile irc
Jan 04 04:34:12 <oil> lol
Jan 04 04:34:23 <torchie> yo check out these sweet pix I shot with my @palm #pre @hp_pc
Jan 04 04:35:45 <DougReeder> I set up a profile for testing on a developer device -- where do I recover the e-mail addr associated with a Palm Profile?  (I have the password, just didn't write down which e-mail addr I used).
Jan 04 04:35:45 <CTLAdvance> I would happily tweet about webOS and the fact that our fleet is still stuck in 2008 but our software is awesome even though its really slow on our current fleet unless your lucky enough or crazy enough to buy a pre 2 which is GSM only which means you would have to mad it into a sprint pre if your on sprint
Jan 04 04:36:04 <CTLAdvance> mod*
Jan 04 04:36:07 <destinal> torchie: ack, are you really using twitter hashtags in IRC?
Jan 04 04:36:22 <torchie> lol
Jan 04 04:36:58 <torchie> the phone came out in 2009 but it's stuck in 2008 :(
Jan 04 04:37:39 <halfhalo> Moo
Jan 04 04:38:22 <torchie> huh, 720p and dual core requirement for honeycomb
Jan 04 04:38:30 <halfhalo> Meh
Jan 04 04:38:31 <CTLAdvance> The phone was shown in Jan 2009 on Pre 2009 hardware
Jan 04 04:38:34 <torchie> so much for my nook's longevity
Jan 04 04:39:16 <CTLAdvance> really the pre1 is 2 years old this week
Jan 04 04:39:21 <CTLAdvance> :/
Jan 04 04:39:22 <oil> nook, meh
Jan 04 04:39:30 <bpadalino> there will always be something new/better right around the corner.. the omap3 was a good choice
Jan 04 04:39:45 <CTLAdvance> I didnt say it wasnt
Jan 04 04:40:00 <torchie> wonder what topaz'll be packin
Jan 04 04:40:09 <CTLAdvance> The pre 1 was awesome when it came out, so long as you were on pre 1.3.x software
Jan 04 04:40:14 <halfhalo> Hookers
Jan 04 04:40:18 <CTLAdvance> wo
Jan 04 04:40:20 <CTLAdvance> w
Jan 04 04:40:20 <torchie> man I really need to see what 1.3.x was like
Jan 04 04:40:24 <bpadalino> omap4 will most likely make a lot of appearances
Jan 04 04:40:30 <torchie> like did it wreck 1.4.x's shit that hard
Jan 04 04:40:31 <bpadalino> omap4 is a very nice processor too
Jan 04 04:40:35 <CTLAdvance> no
Jan 04 04:40:43 <bpadalino> or should i say a nice 5 processors in a single package
Jan 04 04:40:44 <CTLAdvance> 1.1.x wrecked both 1.3.x and 1.4.x shit
Jan 04 04:40:50 <torchie> is omap4 omgdualkor
Jan 04 04:40:56 <bpadalino> it is
Jan 04 04:40:58 <torchie> I need to find a video of 1.1.x
Jan 04 04:41:04 <torchie> I need to see how much shit it wrecked
Jan 04 04:41:18 <torchie> i was originally gonna get a pre from launch but herp dderp treo pro
Jan 04 04:41:25 <CTLAdvance> feature wise we didnt have video etc etc
Jan 04 04:41:30 <CTLAdvance> but smoothness was butter
Jan 04 04:41:30 <dohtem> treo pro?
Jan 04 04:41:40 <dohtem> didnt that run wm6
Jan 04 04:41:40 <torchie> yeah.
Jan 04 04:41:44 <torchie> it sure did.
Jan 04 04:41:47 <dohtem> yuck
Jan 04 04:41:52 <CTLAdvance> I had a treo pro for 3 months
Jan 04 04:41:52 <torchie> depending on your definition of "run"
Jan 04 04:41:59 <dohtem> lol
Jan 04 04:42:10 <torchie> yeah that was just about as long as I had mine I think
Jan 04 04:42:13 <CTLAdvance> Treo Pro did well with WinMo 6.1
Jan 04 04:42:20 <torchie> nothing does well with winmo 6.1
Jan 04 04:42:23 <CTLAdvance> its your fault if you didnt administer the os properly :D
Jan 04 04:42:44 <dohtem> windows mobile still tortures my dreams!  I had a t-mobile dash.  useless piece of garbage
Jan 04 04:43:00 <CTLAdvance> eh was that winmo standard?
Jan 04 04:43:13 <torchie> I think dash was smartphone
Jan 04 04:43:34 <CTLAdvance> I dont remember the dash having winmo
Jan 04 04:43:35 <dohtem> as in, not a touch screen?
Jan 04 04:43:42 <CTLAdvance> yes standard was non touch
Jan 04 04:44:04 <dohtem> meh, same thing.
Jan 04 04:44:11 <CTLAdvance> not same thing
Jan 04 04:44:16 <torchie> most definitely not
Jan 04 04:44:37 <torchie> either way winmo is a load
Jan 04 04:44:46 <CTLAdvance> You can do anything with winmo
Jan 04 04:44:59 <CTLAdvance> and I think thats why were here
Jan 04 04:45:00 <dohtem> yeah, after a trip to xda developers
Jan 04 04:45:07 <CTLAdvance> nah didnt need to go to them
Jan 04 04:45:17 <CTLAdvance> just need a good reg editor
Jan 04 04:45:44 <dohtem> and that sounds normal to you?
Jan 04 04:45:57 <CTLAdvance> doesnt everyone edit their windows registry
Jan 04 04:45:58 <CTLAdvance> ?
Jan 04 04:46:06 <torchie> brb editing the registry for my device to work
Jan 04 04:46:07 <halfhalo> No....
Jan 04 04:46:21 <CTLAdvance> oh I see... well glad thats behind us then
Jan 04 04:46:28 <CTLAdvance> ill go back to editing mine in the corner
Jan 04 04:46:52 <dohtem> lol
Jan 04 04:46:54 <CTLAdvance> the sad thing was flash on 6.1 worked as good if not better than on android
Jan 04 04:47:19 <CTLAdvance> android today*
Jan 04 04:47:36 <CTLAdvance> it needs to be optimized better, which could be accomplished by editing the registry
Jan 04 04:47:37 <CTLAdvance> wait
Jan 04 04:47:38 <torchie> treo pro supported a bunch of video formats, played flash and I could run a playstation emulator at a whopping 28-40 frames per second
Jan 04 04:47:40 <torchie> but christ
Jan 04 04:47:43 <dohtem> I later got the HTC TP2.  Still wasnt impressed.  But HTC Sense tried to hide a lot of WM ugliness
Jan 04 04:47:44 <torchie> winmo was not worth that
Jan 04 04:48:35 <CTLAdvance> yeah sense needs to be removed on the tp2 to be smooth
Jan 04 04:48:42 <CTLAdvance> :/ really a memory hod
Jan 04 04:48:43 <CTLAdvance> hog
Jan 04 04:49:34 <torchie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inW7TCvrZrM
Jan 04 04:49:36 <torchie> hmm
Jan 04 04:49:48 <dohtem> but the rom guys on xda-dev did some crazy work
Jan 04 04:50:34 <torchie> yeah xda dev wrecks shit thats for sure
Jan 04 04:50:52 <CTLAdvance> torchie and?
Jan 04 04:51:00 <torchie> and what
Jan 04 04:51:53 <CTLAdvance> that was so much better then all of our sprint pres work here in the office
Jan 04 04:52:05 <torchie> I dunno that looks like the usual
Jan 04 04:52:23 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 04 04:52:24 <CTLAdvance> ok
Jan 04 04:53:01 <CTLAdvance> well unless you can get a doctor from palm you will never know
Jan 04 04:53:13 <CTLAdvance> it would be cool to get a bunch of devices and line them all up
Jan 04 04:53:18 <CTLAdvance> also
Jan 04 04:53:31 <CTLAdvance> on 1.0.x and 1.1.x the camera took pictures almost non stop
Jan 04 04:53:51 <torchie> regardless of how many cards were open?
Jan 04 04:54:07 <CTLAdvance> I dont remember that
Jan 04 04:54:21 <CTLAdvance> but on 1.4.5 your lucky if you can even take a picture on stock kernel
Jan 04 04:54:37 <CTLAdvance> and maybe get 1 or 2 every few seconds on overclock
Jan 04 04:54:44 <torchie> dunno, that varies for me
Jan 04 04:54:59 <torchie> it's a bit inconsistent
Jan 04 04:55:08 <torchie> I just got one a second on palm default with 5 cards
Jan 04 04:55:16 <CTLAdvance> 1.0.x and 1.1.x was very consistent in that manner
Jan 04 04:55:35 <torchie> gonna take forever to delete all these damn pictures
Jan 04 04:55:47 <CTLAdvance> I need to dig through my backup drive and find the doctors
Jan 04 04:56:30 <CTLAdvance> From what I can remember the camera worked well so long as data transfer wasnt happening
Jan 04 04:56:51 <CTLAdvance> if I was downloading something or streaming music I seemed to have an issue
Jan 04 04:57:18 <torchie> hmm
Jan 04 04:59:04 <CTLAdvance> did we get a 1.2.x release
Jan 04 04:59:07 <CTLAdvance> I forget
Jan 04 05:00:05 <torchie> apparently
Jan 04 05:04:41 <dohtem> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1588 - scroll to the bottom CTLAdvance
Jan 04 05:11:26 <DougReeder> It's annoying that it takes 3 hours to doctor a device and get it set up with a profile, just so I can access the app catalog on a developer device.
Jan 04 05:11:45 <halfhalo> 3 hours?
Jan 04 05:11:48 <halfhalo> Jeered
Jan 04 05:11:53 <DougReeder> 2.5 maybe
Jan 04 05:12:04 <halfhalo> Takes me 30 min max
Jan 04 05:12:15 <halfhalo> Including maing a metadoctor
Jan 04 05:15:05 <destinal> It should be possible to fix up a device post bypass to work on catalog again
Jan 04 05:15:16 <destinal> then no need for doctor
Jan 04 05:16:17 * DougReeder shrugs.  The activation bypass page says you should doctor.
Jan 04 05:20:50 <destinal> metadoctor is overkill for stuff like this
Jan 04 05:21:23 <dohtem> what's with all these pawn shop shows?
Jan 04 05:41:25 <mugen-> anyone have any hackintosh experience?
Jan 04 05:41:40 <DougReeder> Sorry.
Jan 04 06:20:47 * DougReeder waves goodnight
Jan 04 06:42:15 <gu1l7y5p4rk> VZW Pre +. Bought My Tether yesterday. Should I have just gotten free tether? lol
Jan 04 06:42:25 <gu1l7y5p4rk> I was just looking for usb tethering btw.
Jan 04 08:05:19 <swisstomcat> morning
Jan 04 08:05:54 <torchienook> eyo
Jan 04 08:07:02 <hotdp> morning swisstomcat
Jan 04 08:07:20 <hotdp> learning good stuff at work?
Jan 04 08:07:26 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Jan 04 08:07:27 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 04 08:07:33 <hotdp> cool
Jan 04 08:07:34 <swisstomcat> lots of workshops in the next two weeks
Jan 04 08:07:38 <swisstomcat> javascript testing yesterday
Jan 04 08:07:51 <hotdp> that is very cool
Jan 04 08:08:04 <hotdp> Hope i can get some tips/tricks when all is done
Jan 04 08:08:07 <swisstomcat> framework selection will be interesting too
Jan 04 08:08:23 <hotdp> They have not selected one yet?
Jan 04 08:08:24 <swisstomcat> we just got a nokia n8,blackberry torch and a galaxy tab to test too
Jan 04 08:08:29 <swisstomcat> so it will be phones and tablets
Jan 04 08:08:33 <swisstomcat> no
Jan 04 08:08:58 <hotdp> I see
Jan 04 08:09:08 <swisstomcat> jquery,yui or zepto
Jan 04 08:09:16 <hotdp> But just fyi, there will be alot of differense depending on platofrm :S
Jan 04 08:09:23 <hotdp> no sencha?
Jan 04 08:31:01 <swisstomcat> apparently no sencha
Jan 04 08:35:00 <dohtem> ?
Jan 04 08:35:24 <hotdp> but you don't know why?
Jan 04 08:37:45 <swisstomcat> not yet
Jan 04 09:15:20 <aseem> Which version of opengl es is most suitable for pdk development? 1.x or 2.0?
Jan 04 09:16:24 <swisstomcat> i thought it was 1.x
Jan 04 09:16:35 <swisstomcat> check the developer.palm.com forum
Jan 04 09:24:50 <hotdp> :)
Jan 04 10:42:55 <mugen-> am I the only one that didn't know that this Xeon setup existed? 1x http://goo.gl/uLKW9 4x http://goo.gl/1cBlh -- Funny... That's about 15k for just mobo/cpu. It's also cracking 80GHz on one board...
Jan 04 10:43:02 * mugen- whistles loudly
Jan 04 10:43:39 <hotdp> i knew
Jan 04 10:44:46 <mugen-> it's discusting
Jan 04 10:44:51 <mugen-> disgusting too
Jan 04 11:14:45 <mugen-> holy shit... i just did a bw test and came up with 104x15
Jan 04 11:14:57 <mugen-> wtf
Jan 04 11:16:56 <teemu> bw test?
Jan 04 11:17:19 <mugen-> bandwidth
Jan 04 11:17:37 <teemu> ok :)
Jan 04 16:49:30 <PuffTheMagic> is there anyway to get a palm-row without the line below
Jan 04 16:49:49 <Tibfib> palm-row last
Jan 04 16:49:52 <Tibfib> or palm-row single
Jan 04 16:50:08 <PuffTheMagic> single oh ya
Jan 04 16:50:49 <InfiniteLoop> playing with phonegap and jo framework
Jan 04 16:51:08 <InfiniteLoop> I was so comfortable with Mojo
Jan 04 16:51:09 <PuffTheMagic> how about a way to change the height of a row
Jan 04 16:52:34 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: that's trickier
Jan 04 16:52:39 <Tibfib> there migth be a list attribute
Jan 04 16:53:18 <PuffTheMagic> im using rows outside of a list
Jan 04 16:53:23 <Tibfib> nope doesn't look like it
Jan 04 16:53:34 <Tibfib> oh, well you'll just have to mess with the css
Jan 04 16:54:14 <PuffTheMagic> i figured out something
Jan 04 17:01:04 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: I think you can do some css hackery with min-height and max-height
Jan 04 17:17:08 <teemu> Did anyone here have PhoneGap experience? I'm wondering how to style apps.
Jan 04 17:18:36 <teemu> gah, jqtouch for one
Jan 04 17:40:10 * oilsworkn slams door to wake everyone up!
Jan 04 18:04:17 <teemu> That was most unsuccessful
Jan 04 18:06:08 <sugardave> bad oil, no donut
Jan 04 18:06:22 <chuqui> welcome to 2011, all. may it rock your world.
Jan 04 18:06:33 <sugardave> teemu: I think swisstomcat and BMyers are the two I know who have used PhoneGap
Jan 04 18:06:43 <oilsworkn> teemu: i know :(
Jan 04 18:06:44 <sugardave> chuqui: happy new year, give us the good stuff
Jan 04 18:06:53 <oilsworkn> well, enyo was "first of the year" right?
Jan 04 18:07:01 <chuqui> sugardave: working on it.
Jan 04 18:07:06 <sugardave> "just after the first of the year"
Jan 04 18:07:09 * oilsworkn looks at calendar to confirm its the beginning of the year, one moment
Jan 04 18:07:14 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 04 18:07:15 <chuqui> oilsworkn: no, sometime in 2011.
Jan 04 18:07:21 <oilsworkn> yeah, i was only joking
Jan 04 18:07:25 <sugardave> heh
Jan 04 18:07:33 <oilsworkn> mattsmcnulty joined and was talking about the flood of "where is enyo now?"
Jan 04 18:07:52 <oilsworkn> messages he was getting
Jan 04 18:08:10 <sugardave> yeah, I figured I'd give him a break
Jan 04 18:08:34 <chuqui> I wish I could hand it out today, really.
Jan 04 18:08:38 * oilsworkn isn't in any hurry to have to rewrite all the apps :/
Jan 04 18:08:43 <sugardave> chuqui: DO it
Jan 04 18:08:54 <sugardave> at least get the early access registration going
Jan 04 18:09:03 <oilsworkn> i really want to see how to create our own components
Jan 04 18:09:08 <chuqui> oilsworkn: you won't have to. but you'll probably want to.
Jan 04 18:09:18 <oilsworkn> the devdays talk showed how easy it was to use them once you've created them
Jan 04 18:09:31 <oilsworkn> but creating them seems to be the magic sauce :)
Jan 04 18:09:45 <sugardave> heh
Jan 04 18:09:58 <sugardave> yeah, conspicuosly absent
Jan 04 18:12:40 <teemu> sugardave: roger
Jan 04 18:12:53 <oilsworkn> no, he's dave
Jan 04 18:13:00 <sugardave> haha
Jan 04 18:13:01 <teemu> Who?
Jan 04 18:13:16 <teemu> (knows this from airplane)
Jan 04 18:13:28 <sugardave> what's the vector, victor?
Jan 04 18:13:42 <teemu> Who has the ut link?
Jan 04 18:13:52 <oilsworkn> ut?
Jan 04 18:13:58 <teemu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y
Jan 04 18:14:04 <teemu> ut as in youtube
Jan 04 18:14:08 * hotdp wonders if he will see more enyo at CES
Jan 04 18:14:21 <sugardave> HOTDP!
Jan 04 18:14:32 <teemu> When is that?
Jan 04 18:14:41 <sugardave> I want to see more Enyo in my dev forum :P
Jan 04 18:14:59 <sugardave> teemu: CES starts on Jan. 6th
Jan 04 18:15:15 <teemu> ach so
Jan 04 18:15:19 <Loudergood> it's going to be a long wednesday.
Jan 04 18:15:36 <sugardave> Loudergood: indeed
Jan 04 18:15:47 <teemu> sugardave: where is it? (me feels too lazy to goooogle)
Jan 04 18:16:00 * Rick_work wishes he could go to ces this year
Jan 04 18:16:02 <sugardave> teemu: Las Vegas, Nevada
Jan 04 18:16:09 <Loudergood> las vegas, right next to the adult entertainment expo
Jan 04 18:16:16 <teemu> Good combination
Jan 04 18:16:19 <Loudergood> coincidence?
Jan 04 18:16:20 <sugardave> I may join the association so I can go next year...not sure yet
Jan 04 18:16:24 <teemu> Nerds & adult entertainment
Jan 04 18:16:32 <teemu> Biggest consumers ever
Jan 04 18:16:40 * teemu of course is not part of em
Jan 04 18:16:58 <teemu> It's there every year?
Jan 04 18:17:01 <sugardave> heh, and IBM used to have their planet tivoli sales events in Vegas at the same time as well....then it got out of hand
Jan 04 18:17:12 <sugardave> teemu: yeah, once a year
Jan 04 18:17:21 <teemu> Well that's sweet since I'm moving to LV.
Jan 04 18:17:30 <sugardave> nice :D
Jan 04 18:17:56 <teemu> Too bad I'll make the move next month. So I'm left with that adult thing..
Jan 04 18:21:11 <hotdp> Hey sugardave :D
Jan 04 18:24:05 <oilsworkn> you mean sugaroger
Jan 04 18:28:09 * oilsworkn hears crickets
Jan 04 18:28:17 * oilsworkn sulks away
Jan 04 18:32:36 <hotdp> Mad Men here we go bbl
Jan 04 18:32:51 * oilsworkn wonders when new season starts
Jan 04 18:37:09 <sugardave> man, the wifi at work blows
Jan 04 18:37:27 <sugardave> I keep getting disconnected at the worst times
Jan 04 18:38:19 <Loudergood> can't be as bad as 82 mercer
Jan 04 18:38:40 <sugardave> Loudergood: no, it isn't that bad, but the lab I'm in is trying to take that honor
Jan 04 18:38:50 <Loudergood> ouch
Jan 04 19:05:27 <b0bben_> evening ppl
Jan 04 19:20:24 <oilsworkn> Loudergood: its a good thing the conference was good, or the lack of wifi the entire time would have been unbearable
Jan 04 19:20:39 <Loudergood> agreed
Jan 04 20:09:57 <SineOt> morning
Jan 04 20:11:14 <Tibfib> http://twitter.com/#!/phonescooper/status/22382188108447744
Jan 04 20:11:18 <SineOt> chuqui: does pressing "request rejection" on a beta feed app update upset the universe? :]
Jan 04 20:11:33 <chuqui> nope.
Jan 04 20:11:37 <Tibfib> chuqui! you are alive
Jan 04 20:11:38 <chuqui> not that I'm awre of.
Jan 04 20:11:48 <dohtem> he breathes!
Jan 04 20:11:53 <Tibfib> alive/back from break
Jan 04 20:11:58 <SineOt> should it take 4 days to get passed through the system? :[
Jan 04 20:12:03 <chuqui> Tibfib:  well, srort of. I decided to spend 2011 dead for tax purposes. But I'm still answering email.
Jan 04 20:12:21 <chuqui> SineOt: yes, when the folks who need to process stuff on our end are all out on holiday break.
Jan 04 20:12:22 <Tibfib> chuqui: well thats good
Jan 04 20:12:42 <Tibfib> http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/04/hp-webos-event/
Jan 04 20:12:44 <Tibfib> yay
Jan 04 20:13:00 <dohtem> yay!
Jan 04 20:13:00 <SineOt> chuqui: so beta feeds don't need to get reviewed, but still need someone to manually press a button?
Jan 04 20:13:13 <Tibfib> wonder if we'll see anything interesting at CES
Jan 04 20:13:30 <dohtem> webOS wise or in general?
Jan 04 20:13:34 <Tibfib> webOS wise
Jan 04 20:14:28 <sugardave> Feb 9?  Dammit, you guys are killing me!
Jan 04 20:14:44 <dohtem> haha
Jan 04 20:14:54 <Tibfib> lol @ joshuatopolsky's tweet
Jan 04 20:14:55 <chuqui> SineOt:  yeah, there are still places where buttons need to be pushed.
Jan 04 20:15:28 <SineOt> chuqui: oh well, good to know I suppose
Jan 04 20:16:23 <Tibfib> good thing hp/palm announced this before CES.. people would jump ship with no news at CES and no indication of news
Jan 04 20:16:39 <SineOt> I thought CES started yesterday, Tibfib :p
Jan 04 20:16:43 <Draecos> take it ppl just got tweets then :)
Jan 04 20:16:49 <Tibfib> whatevs :P
Jan 04 20:16:50 <sugardave> SineOt: 2 days from now
Jan 04 20:17:01 <Tibfib> yeah, I though the important stuff started thurs
Jan 04 20:17:34 <SineOt> Oh, guess it does~
Jan 04 20:17:47 <SineOt> All the "new stuff!!!" blog posts threw me off
Jan 04 20:17:47 <dohtem> this is pregaming... like how you drink before the party :)
Jan 04 20:23:39 <Tibfib> hah http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/01/twas-the-week-after-christmas.html
Jan 04 20:23:50 <dohtem> comment one engadget - "HP will pay for stealing the thunder from my Star Wars Blu-Ray announcement"
Jan 04 20:23:51 <dohtem> haha
Jan 04 20:25:31 <Tibfib> "I'm sure that you've heard that a tablet is nigh, And lots more phones, and ePrint, and cool apps, oh my"
Jan 04 20:26:56 <dohtem> talk about teasing
Jan 04 20:27:14 <Loudergood> at least we've gone from coming months to forthcoming weeks
Jan 04 20:27:31 <SineOt> I have a feeling that the Star Wars Bluray announcement will kind of suck :T
Jan 04 20:28:00 <Loudergood> watch it be 5 minutes shorter than the original dvd release
Jan 04 20:29:15 <SineOt> Lucas: "Doing a Bluray release of the original theatrical version would cost too much." Lucas: "LOL let's rerelease all of the movies in 3D!" Lucas: "WHO WANTS SOME BLURAY"
Jan 04 20:29:26 <Tibfib> bah, I don't feel like working on any apps
Jan 04 20:29:36 <SineOt> Somehow it will end up being exactly what everyone who enjoyed Star Wars -doesn't- want
Jan 04 20:30:13 <Loudergood> more jar jar?
Jan 04 20:30:54 <sugardave> Loudergood: meh, it's like saying 1 pint instead of 2 cups
Jan 04 20:30:58 <SineOt> "We replaced Han Solo with a CGI version of himself to allow us to put in this amazing scene where he swings through the jungle chased by wookies..."
Jan 04 20:32:19 <Tibfib> heh
Jan 04 20:33:52 <funkatron> hah
Jan 04 20:34:14 <Loudergood> SineOt: you want to properly offend them you need ewoks
Jan 04 20:35:10 <SineOt> Because replacing Han with a CGI version to do a swinging through the jungle scene isn't bad enough on its own! P:
Jan 04 20:52:13 <Tibfib> anyone used getsatisfaction or uservoice?
Jan 04 20:52:58 <oil> i can't get no...
Jan 04 20:53:32 <Tibfib> I have http://kotoplayer.uservoice.com/ and http://getsatisfaction.com/koto_player set up.. Deciding which one to use
Jan 04 20:55:35 <CTLAdvance> WOOT - HP is announcing the Pre 2 on verizon Feb 9th
Jan 04 20:55:39 <SineOt> Tibfib: You made sure it looks good on Pixi, right? :p
Jan 04 20:55:52 <Tibfib> SineOt: hmm?
Jan 04 20:55:58 <Tibfib> Koto?
Jan 04 20:56:01 <SineOt> Yeah
Jan 04 20:56:03 <Tibfib> bah, no.
Jan 04 20:56:09 <sugardave> hahaha
Jan 04 20:56:28 <Tibfib> when 2.0 gets reasonably close to pixis, then I will
Jan 04 20:56:33 <oil> lol at week after christmas
Jan 04 20:56:38 <oil> linking to wikipedia for series of tubes
Jan 04 20:56:54 <oil> this audio clip is so priceless
Jan 04 20:56:55 <oil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:I_Got_it_Yesterday_-_Senator_Ted_Stevens.ogg
Jan 04 20:57:21 <oil> they sent him an internet
Jan 04 20:57:22 <oil> lol
Jan 04 20:57:34 <Loudergood> impressive
Jan 04 20:57:41 <oil> and by internet
Jan 04 20:57:47 <oil> i mean, int...internet
Jan 04 20:58:21 <haeffb_pre> so are we happy with an announcement announcement?
Jan 04 20:58:37 <oil> the announcement of the announcement where they will announce something?
Jan 04 20:58:42 <dohtem> How do I copy text to clipboard?
Jan 04 20:58:49 <Tibfib> webos101.com
Jan 04 20:58:49 <dohtem> in my app, I mean
Jan 04 20:58:53 <oil> meta+c?
Jan 04 20:59:02 <oil> oh
Jan 04 20:59:03 <Tibfib> webos101.com/code_snippets or something like that
Jan 04 20:59:03 <oil> uh
Jan 04 20:59:06 <oil> yeah
Jan 04 20:59:11 <SineOt> I'm just bummed it's going to take until Feb. 9th to find out!
Jan 04 20:59:16 <dohtem> thanks, will check it out
Jan 04 20:59:30 * oil builds time machine
Jan 04 20:59:33 <Tibfib> http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Copying_Text_to_the_Clipboard
Jan 04 20:59:50 <dohtem> got it
Jan 04 20:59:58 <dohtem> it's 1 line.  awesome
Jan 04 21:00:00 <oil> im going to venture outinto the snow and freeze myself
Jan 04 21:00:02 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: I'm SOOOOO excited that we don't get any news until then :|
Jan 04 21:00:09 <dohtem> oil: NO!!!!
Jan 04 21:00:19 <oil> it worked out pretty good for cartman
Jan 04 21:00:26 <CTLAdvance> sugardave - you must know its only the Verizon pre 2 they are announcing
Jan 04 21:00:38 <CTLAdvance> :D
Jan 04 21:00:39 <oil> CTLAdvance: /nick downerdebbie
Jan 04 21:00:48 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: I will personally beat you to death if that's true
Jan 04 21:00:52 <dohtem> CTLAdvance: I believe we would riot if that happened.
Jan 04 21:00:56 <haeffb_pre> CTLAdvance: then I will buy android
Jan 04 21:01:00 <oil> well, verizon pre2 and webos printer?
Jan 04 21:01:09 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre: me too
Jan 04 21:01:10 <CTLAdvance> ok webOs printer would be cool
Jan 04 21:01:20 <haeffb_pre> not an android device. all of android.
Jan 04 21:01:24 <CTLAdvance> if we can put a fart app on it that is
Jan 04 21:01:33 <oil> only if there is a patch to make it report ink levels correctly
Jan 04 21:01:33 <haeffb_pre> and discontinue further development
Jan 04 21:01:34 <dohtem> heh, PC load letter? pssh.  swipe it away!
Jan 04 21:01:35 <SineOt> I think there's going to be a printer announced given the pure HP branding on the invite
Jan 04 21:01:41 <oil> and not tell you its out of ink until its _actually_ out of ink
Jan 04 21:01:46 <sugardave> heh, printers that fart at you when they are running out of ink
Jan 04 21:01:57 <dohtem> oil: and the ink costs less than crack cocaine
Jan 04 21:02:05 <oil> no, that will never  happen
Jan 04 21:02:11 <CTLAdvance> how bad would it be if it was only an HP line of printers
Jan 04 21:02:18 <CTLAdvance> announced
Jan 04 21:02:20 <oil> unfortunately, cocaine doesn't make very good prints
Jan 04 21:02:23 * sugardave holds out for the app contest where winners get free HP ink for life.
Jan 04 21:02:34 <oil> they would never do that
Jan 04 21:03:29 <sugardave> only 1-5 winners, surely that wouldn't break the lucrative ink goose
Jan 04 21:03:31 <SineOt> "Free HP ink for life*" *based on average lifetime of average printer in sub-100$ bracket, or about 4 months
Jan 04 21:04:09 <CTLAdvance> or maybe feb 9th well get told they have something new coming in coming months... that is all
Jan 04 21:04:10 * oil would offload it on ebay
Jan 04 21:04:36 * halfhalo is in Vegas
Jan 04 21:04:59 <dohtem> halfhalo: are you with Alan, Stu and Phil?
Jan 04 21:05:08 <halfhalo> Who?
Jan 04 21:05:13 <dohtem> and Doug and Black Doug!
Jan 04 21:05:22 <CTLAdvance> halfhalo - Kick in the door to seekrit conf room, take palm pad, run like hell.
Jan 04 21:05:25 <oil> halfhalo, no webos announcements at ces
Jan 04 21:05:27 <oil> phail
Jan 04 21:05:33 <CTLAdvance> oil lol
Jan 04 21:05:39 <dohtem> halfhalo: The Hangover :)
Jan 04 21:05:56 <CTLAdvance> oil then why did they reserve the same conf room as 2009
Jan 04 21:06:02 <CTLAdvance> ooo verizon pre 2 announcement
Jan 04 21:06:12 <oil> to show off printers
Jan 04 21:06:13 <CTLAdvance> printers on feb 9th
Jan 04 21:06:17 <halfhalo> Bah
Jan 04 21:06:17 * halfhalo is trying to get tethering working on ze epic
Jan 04 21:07:18 <CTLAdvance> I see big potential for printers with webOS so long as they have printer and proximity sensor.... so we can build a sound app that goes off when someone is close by
Jan 04 21:07:33 <CTLAdvance> speaker...
Jan 04 21:07:34 <dohtem> can application manager launch default twitter application?
Jan 04 21:08:00 <oil> eh?
Jan 04 21:08:35 <oil> i too hope the printers with webos have a printer
Jan 04 21:09:44 <CTLAdvance> that was supposed to say printer
Jan 04 21:09:50 <CTLAdvance> to many things going on at once
Jan 04 21:09:51 <oil> hah
Jan 04 21:10:16 <Tibfib> dohtem: there is no "default" twitter application setting
Jan 04 21:10:36 <Tibfib> I suggested palm should add something like that, and they never responded
Jan 04 21:10:36 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 04 21:10:37 <CTLAdvance> wow
Jan 04 21:10:51 <CTLAdvance> supposed to say speaker
Jan 04 21:10:52 <dohtem> Tibfib: :(
Jan 04 21:10:54 <CTLAdvance> oy
Jan 04 21:11:25 <CTLAdvance> Palm should also add bing as one of the search options
Jan 04 21:11:31 <dohtem> why?
Jan 04 21:11:36 <CTLAdvance> why not
Jan 04 21:11:46 <dohtem> you use bing?
Jan 04 21:11:48 <CTLAdvance> bing powers 30% of search now in the US
Jan 04 21:12:28 <CTLAdvance> Yes I do... ditched goog in 2008 for live search and services, been on bing since day 1
Jan 04 21:12:51 <dohtem> my condolences
Jan 04 21:12:55 <dohtem> :)
Jan 04 21:13:32 <CTLAdvance> live search was hard to swallow... bing made everything much more efficient.
Jan 04 21:13:57 <oil> something everyone can agree on:
Jan 04 21:14:07 <oil> "bing it" sounds too weird to ever catch on
Jan 04 21:14:15 <CTLAdvance> I say bing it all the time
Jan 04 21:14:25 <CTLAdvance> it is your discretion to determine what I mean
Jan 04 21:14:33 <dohtem> oil: google it with bing!
Jan 04 21:14:36 <oil> i would be stabbing you in the neck if i heard it
Jan 04 21:15:36 <SineOt> BING
Jan 04 21:15:39 <CTLAdvance> Wait till next dev day when i can come
Jan 04 21:15:49 <CTLAdvance> just bing it
Jan 04 21:16:19 <CTLAdvance> whats bing, well bing is microsofts decision engine ;)
Jan 04 21:16:30 <halfhalo> With BBQ...
Jan 04 21:16:32 <Loudergood> so to find you guys just look for the stabbing?
Jan 04 21:16:32 <CTLAdvance> yes you should buy a windows 7 oc
Jan 04 21:16:33 <CTLAdvance> pc
Jan 04 21:16:39 <CTLAdvance> er...
Jan 04 21:16:40 <halfhalo> Wth*
Jan 04 21:16:50 <halfhalo> iPad can connect, but not the laptops
Jan 04 21:17:25 <Tibfib> hah http://twitter.com/precentral/status/22400073971269633
Jan 04 21:18:22 <CTLAdvance> seems more like they are leading up to printers only
Jan 04 21:18:27 <CTLAdvance> big = printers
Jan 04 21:18:32 <CTLAdvance> small = printers
Jan 04 21:18:39 <CTLAdvance> beyond webOS? Printers
Jan 04 21:18:42 <CTLAdvance> oil = 23
Jan 04 21:18:42 <dohtem> we know the address.  oil, make some press badges.  Tibfib, arrage a car pool.  We can do this!
Jan 04 21:18:44 <CTLAdvance> printers
Jan 04 21:19:06 <CTLAdvance> dohtem - well need printers to do that
Jan 04 21:19:12 * oil hears mission impossible song in his  head all of a sudden
Jan 04 21:19:47 <CTLAdvance> I cant believe all of the overpriced android connected printers they tried to move black friday
Jan 04 21:19:54 <dohtem> oil: we'll make a NOC list too if you want
Jan 04 21:20:27 <torchie> so many printers
Jan 04 21:20:39 <torchie> why printers
Jan 04 21:20:47 <SineOt> why not printers
Jan 04 21:20:50 <CTLAdvance> printers require ink
Jan 04 21:20:55 <CTLAdvance> ink = money
Jan 04 21:21:13 <CTLAdvance> mad money?
Jan 04 21:21:15 <SineOt> just imagine this: a printer with a smaller printer inside of it, both of them connected to the cloud!
Jan 04 21:22:17 <oil> and that guy on the side saying, "sup dawg?"
Jan 04 21:22:21 <torchie> yo dawg
Jan 04 21:22:24 <torchie> we herd u like printers
Jan 04 21:22:28 <CTLAdvance> can the printer run a virtual machine with an emulator of the printer on it?
Jan 04 21:22:35 <torchie> so we decided to make one of those instead of a smartphone or tablet.
Jan 04 21:22:57 <torchie> dude how about a printer with a virtual machine running a printing simulation running a printer emulator
Jan 04 21:23:10 <CTLAdvance> ok I like it, where can I buy
Jan 04 21:23:17 <CTLAdvance> oh you just want me to give you my money
Jan 04 21:23:23 <CTLAdvance> what do you mean it has android on it
Jan 04 21:23:35 <CTLAdvance> your going to kick me where?
Jan 04 21:23:52 <torchie> guys I ahve an idea
Jan 04 21:23:56 <torchie> and it's gonna blow your minds
Jan 04 21:23:58 <torchie> I'm going to
Jan 04 21:24:00 <torchie> incept you an idea
Jan 04 21:24:15 <torchie> you know how android's like, open source, right
Jan 04 21:24:21 <torchie> why don't we like, take the android stuff
Jan 04 21:24:29 <torchie> and make webOS run android apps
Jan 04 21:24:41 <CTLAdvance> BOOM
Jan 04 21:24:43 <Tibfib> whoa
Jan 04 21:24:45 <torchie> - Love, josh topolsky
Jan 04 21:27:19 <Loudergood> haha
Jan 04 21:27:33 <Loudergood> we'll just port over all of dalvik
Jan 04 21:27:36 <CTLAdvance> oil - even toyota chooses bing.... integrated as a featured app in their new sync equivalent
Jan 04 21:27:41 <CTLAdvance> bing it
Jan 04 21:27:50 <oil> thats a good thing?
Jan 04 21:27:55 * oil goes back to work
Jan 04 21:27:59 <torchie> think of the children, bing no thing
Jan 04 21:28:17 <Loudergood> oil: sure, now they can blame the throttle issue on microsoft
Jan 04 21:28:22 <torchie> when's apple's search engine coming out
Jan 04 21:28:27 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/photos/toyota-entune-in-car-infotainment-system/#3734661
Jan 04 21:28:39 <torchie> the one that's heavily integrated into the A5 system on chip
Jan 04 21:28:47 <SineOt> when they finish that massive data center
Jan 04 21:28:55 <SineOt> that they won't say why they're building it
Jan 04 21:29:24 <torchie> they'll probably reveal in june
Jan 04 21:29:28 <torchie> or march!
Jan 04 21:29:39 <torchie> what's more worthy of a data center, an ipad or an iphone
Jan 04 21:30:05 <Loudergood> iFaceSpace.com of course
Jan 04 21:30:14 <torchie> I just want to see the ipad 2's camera implementation, because I'm getting this strange feeling that every other tablet attempt is doing it wrong
Jan 04 21:30:42 <Loudergood> two cameras for 3d calling?
Jan 04 21:31:09 <torchie> four cameras for 5d calling
Jan 04 21:32:08 <Loudergood> ooh
Jan 04 21:32:27 <SineOt> iPad 2 will probably just copy the iPod Touch 4G
Jan 04 21:32:47 <torchie> hmm maybe they'll keep ipad in sync with ipod touch
Jan 04 21:33:02 <torchie> and embrace -- "hell yeah it's a giant ipod touch"
Jan 04 21:35:06 <SineOt> higher resolution, cameras?
Jan 04 21:35:17 <SineOt> dunno what else you could do with cameras really
Jan 04 21:35:28 <SineOt> any back facing one would have to be pretty high resolution to make it worth using
Jan 04 21:36:50 <Loudergood> lens attachments
Jan 04 21:37:08 <Tibfib> lasers
Jan 04 21:38:12 <torchie> well there was that patent apple filed
Jan 04 21:38:15 <torchie> for a camera behind the screen
Jan 04 21:38:33 <torchie> with enough magic, you could probably put a camera in the same place a person's eyes are on the screen
Jan 04 21:38:44 <torchie> and then when you're looking them in the eyes you're actually looking them in the eyes
Jan 04 22:17:50 <SineOt> If there was a webOS version of the Lenovo U1... I think I'd die
Jan 04 22:18:45 <oilsworkn> there was already that bt kb leak
Jan 04 22:20:09 <SineOt> Yeah, but the U1 kind of takes it to the extreme, since you've got the Android 2.2 tablet by itself... And then the docking keyboard that houses a Core i3 running Windows 7.
Jan 04 22:30:46 * oilsworkn yawns
Jan 04 22:32:15 <torchie> lenovo U1 what
Jan 04 22:32:29 * torchie research
Jan 04 22:32:35 <torchie> looks incorrect
Jan 04 22:33:41 <oilsworkn> the laptop where you disconnect the screen and it becomes a tablet
Jan 04 22:34:57 <torchie> better is the tablet where you connect a keyboard and it becomes a laptop
Jan 04 22:35:45 <CTLAdvance> does it have bing on it
Jan 04 22:36:01 <torchie> the HP topaz now with bing exclusively
Jan 04 22:36:03 <torchie> don't sing it,
Jan 04 22:36:04 <torchie> bing it.
Jan 04 22:36:13 <CTLAdvance> NOICE
Jan 04 22:37:20 * oilsworkn quits
Jan 04 22:38:00 <oilsworkn> xD
Jan 04 22:38:34 <torchie> oil's just straight up done
Jan 04 22:39:02 <CTLAdvance> who is oilsworkn
Jan 04 22:39:04 <CTLAdvance> bing it
Jan 04 22:39:06 <CTLAdvance> http://twitpic.com/3lb3km
Jan 04 22:39:12 <CTLAdvance> nice use of the touch stone
Jan 04 22:39:32 <oilsworkn> pointless
Jan 04 22:39:40 <CTLAdvance> what is
Jan 04 22:39:47 <Loudergood> yeah if you let it get dirty it slides around just fine
Jan 04 22:39:49 <oilsworkn> sticking a ts on a cd
Jan 04 22:39:58 <Loudergood> why is it white on top?
Jan 04 22:40:07 <CTLAdvance> cd adds stability, otherwise its all flopping around
Jan 04 22:40:10 <oilsworkn> probably had to add more stuff to make the magnets less intense
Jan 04 22:40:22 <oilsworkn> so he could actually pull it off without picking up the entire contraption
Jan 04 22:40:30 <Loudergood> there is that
Jan 04 22:40:49 * Loudergood has a touchstone mounted pretty much vertically in his car
Jan 04 22:41:07 <Loudergood> the palm logo is actually upside down
Jan 04 22:41:23 <Loudergood> and I can hit frost heaves, pot holes, no problem
Jan 04 22:41:41 <CTLAdvance> you cant clean the sticky part can you
Jan 04 22:41:55 <Loudergood> supposedly you can with water
Jan 04 22:41:56 <oilsworkn> i remember someone saying something about how to clean it
Jan 04 22:42:29 <CTLAdvance> should I
Jan 04 22:42:31 <CTLAdvance> bing it
Jan 04 22:43:01 <oilsworkn> no, you wont get the right results
Jan 04 22:43:04 <oilsworkn> best to google it and be sure
Jan 04 22:43:08 <CTLAdvance> I didnt on google
Jan 04 22:43:09 <CTLAdvance> :/
Jan 04 22:43:17 <CTLAdvance> pron and ads as always
Jan 04 22:43:20 <CTLAdvance> :(
Jan 04 22:43:39 * oilsworkn is going to altavista it
Jan 04 22:43:40 <CTLAdvance> clean your sticky touchstone
Jan 04 22:43:44 <CTLAdvance> ooo
Jan 04 22:43:51 <oilsworkn> dogpile?
Jan 04 22:44:01 <CTLAdvance> dogpile :L
Jan 04 22:46:41 <Loudergood> I remember I thought that was the greatest thing ever when I first found it
Jan 04 22:53:36 * oilsworkn found a hd on the shelf from 1990
Jan 04 22:53:47 <oilsworkn> it looks crazy
Jan 04 22:56:25 <oilsworkn> i was 6 when it was made xD
Jan 04 22:58:37 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 04 22:58:43 <Loudergood> 40MB?
Jan 04 23:01:34 <torchie> don't cling it
Jan 04 23:01:36 <torchie> bing it
Jan 04 23:04:29 <oilsworkn> it doesnt have a size on it
Jan 04 23:04:38 <oilsworkn> id have to look up the heads/cyl/sect stuff
Jan 04 23:04:52 <oilsworkn> but im pretty sure its going in the garbage
Jan 04 23:06:50 <oilsworkn> i wish i had taken a before pic of my office before cleaning it out
Jan 04 23:06:58 <oilsworkn> we just about filled a dumpster
Jan 04 23:11:43 <torchie> noooo
Jan 04 23:11:46 <torchie> what if you need that space
Jan 04 23:13:08 <oilsworkn> that hd was on the shelf before i started working here 11 years ago
Jan 04 23:13:22 <oilsworkn> if we needed it, it would have seen some action by now
Jan 04 23:13:22 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 04 23:16:11 <steveram> Hey
Jan 04 23:16:24 <steveram> Anyone have any experience with AdMob on webOS?
Jan 04 23:22:10 <dohtem> SineOt: wanna test my new version?
Jan 04 23:22:18 <SineOt> sure
Jan 04 23:22:27 <dohtem> one min
Jan 04 23:25:11 <Rick_work> steveram  several people have done that.
Jan 04 23:25:12 <SineOt> Another interesting tablet/netbook hybrid http://www.engadget.com/photos/asus-eee-slate-slider-and-transformer/#3737486
Jan 04 23:25:31 <steveram> My problem is that AdMob is serving up the same 3 ads all the time.
Jan 04 23:25:35 <SineOt> Although what's funny is that the keyboard has windows keys even though it's apparently an android tablet
Jan 04 23:25:36 <steveram> I cannot target based on keywords.
Jan 04 23:26:10 <steveram> I am holding off submitting my Free app until I can figure out the these AdMob problems. I don't want to be serving up personal ads all the time. Anyone have any tips?
Jan 04 23:27:57 <CTLAdvance> oh god, windows 7 slates galore
Jan 04 23:28:19 <torchie> uuuugh
Jan 04 23:28:20 <torchie> stop it
Jan 04 23:28:48 <torchie> well actually the more time they waste on win7 tablets the more time it takes for the honeycomb onslaught
Jan 04 23:28:58 <oilsworkn> steveram: sorry, never used admob :/
Jan 04 23:29:14 <CTLAdvance> yeah except these tablets can handle windows 7
Jan 04 23:29:29 <CTLAdvance> admob has bad fill rates for webOS
Jan 04 23:29:32 <CTLAdvance> < 20%
Jan 04 23:29:33 <torchie> doesn't mean they should
Jan 04 23:29:39 <CTLAdvance> Sure it does
Jan 04 23:29:48 <dohtem> Dropbox question: can I get the public link for a file from the web interface? Or do I need the desktop client installed?
Jan 04 23:29:52 <CTLAdvance> A core I5 in a slate
Jan 04 23:29:55 <CTLAdvance> ...
Jan 04 23:29:56 <oilsworkn> thinkpad x41 convertable = sexy
Jan 04 23:30:06 <SineOt> dohtem: if it's in your public folder, should be in the little like, globe with a lock
Jan 04 23:30:08 <oilsworkn> we got like 3 of em here
Jan 04 23:30:09 <SineOt> I know you can do it
Jan 04 23:30:22 <torchie> sounds like fans, heat, and little life
Jan 04 23:30:31 <torchie> but at least faster than atom
Jan 04 23:30:42 <dohtem> SineOt: thanks
Jan 04 23:31:27 * oilsworkn was like "oh shit, pre is stuck in headset mode again"
Jan 04 23:31:38 * oilsworkn then noticed the mute toggle was toggled :/
Jan 04 23:32:08 <torchie> engadget - full 'o breaking news lol
Jan 04 23:32:23 <CTLAdvance> crap they mush be on page 2 or 3 for today
Jan 04 23:32:38 <oilsworkn> and ces hasnt even started yet
Jan 04 23:32:40 <torchie> so hp is at this thing right
Jan 04 23:32:58 <CTLAdvance> Supposed to be in the same room they had in 2009
Jan 04 23:33:02 <CTLAdvance> to announce the pre2
Jan 04 23:33:07 <CTLAdvance> or a printer
Jan 04 23:33:10 <CTLAdvance> or your mom
Jan 04 23:33:24 <CTLAdvance> same room palm had
Jan 04 23:33:32 <steveram> CTLAdvance: I've been getting 99% fill rates on 2000 requests a day, the ad banners are all personals though
Jan 04 23:33:49 <torchie> you can get personals what
Jan 04 23:34:13 <steveram> torchie: I get like dating advertisements all the time
Jan 04 23:34:35 <torchie> internet women dig your type man
Jan 04 23:34:49 <CTLAdvance> on webOS
Jan 04 23:35:06 <CTLAdvance> steveram - fill rates on webOS at 99%
Jan 04 23:35:16 <CTLAdvance> android is almost 100
Jan 04 23:35:34 <CTLAdvance> their support said it is correct to have less than 20 % fill rates
Jan 04 23:35:55 <torchie> whats a fill rate
Jan 04 23:37:09 <CTLAdvance> how many ads get delivered to a user when they request them
Jan 04 23:37:28 <CTLAdvance> so out of 10k requests, if only 2k get ads then you have a 20% fill rate
Jan 04 23:37:29 <oilsworkn> if i open an app on my sprint pre and it advertizes android phones on verizion, i remove the app
Jan 04 23:38:26 <steveram> CTLAdvance: Out of ~2000 requests I get 1900+ filled
Jan 04 23:38:32 <CTLAdvance> on webOS?
Jan 04 23:38:32 <steveram> on average
Jan 04 23:38:34 <steveram> Yeah
Jan 04 23:38:37 <steveram> For adMob
Jan 04 23:38:42 <CTLAdvance> heh then your lucky
Jan 04 23:38:51 <CTLAdvance> I just pulled their support email
Jan 04 23:38:53 <steveram> For the past 3 months. Before that, fill rates were  < 5%
Jan 04 23:39:00 <CTLAdvance> ill have to look again
Jan 04 23:39:06 <CTLAdvance> maybe mine have improved
Jan 04 23:39:10 <steveram> I don't know what happened, fill rates just skyrocketed
Jan 04 23:39:14 * CTLAdvance runs to admob site
Jan 04 23:39:21 <torchie> madness
Jan 04 23:39:22 <torchie> MADNESS
Jan 04 23:39:30 <torchie> so whats a request
Jan 04 23:39:33 <steveram> I'm just frustrated because, they aren't targeted ads
Jan 04 23:39:43 <torchie> I dunno man
Jan 04 23:39:44 <steveram> when I specify keywords in the request, nothing.
Jan 04 23:39:47 <torchie> the ladies seem to be targeting you
Jan 04 23:39:59 <torchie> oh me oh my
Jan 04 23:55:04 <dohtem> can I take screenshots in the emulator?
Jan 04 23:57:46 * torchie shrug
Jan 04 23:58:25 <destinal> CTLAdvance: they won't announce a new device at CES, they've got an announcement scheduled in February according to Engadget
Jan 05 00:04:16 <torchie> not even a printer?
Jan 05 00:04:24 <Loudergood> destinal, and according to their poetic blog post
Jan 05 00:05:01 <torchie> according to their poetic blog post they're about to wreck shit
Jan 05 01:11:35 <mugen-> bam
Jan 05 01:25:13 * halfhalo is bored
Jan 05 01:26:49 <halfhalo> there's nothing to do right now...
Jan 05 01:29:02 <sugardave> blackjack
Jan 05 01:29:05 <sugardave> is fun
Jan 05 01:31:38 <Loudergood> just make sure you don't hit too many times
Jan 05 01:33:29 <halfhalo> bah
Jan 05 01:33:33 <halfhalo> that's far away
Jan 05 01:33:43 <sugardave> how far could it be?
Jan 05 01:33:46 * halfhalo is in ces press room atm
Jan 05 01:34:09 <halfhalo> like half a mile
Jan 05 01:34:10 <sugardave> it might take a whole 5 minutes to find a place with a blackjack table :P
Jan 05 01:35:03 <halfhalo> I had to walk through like 2 hotels to get to the damn monorail
Jan 05 01:35:32 <Loudergood> go start a snowball fight
Jan 05 01:35:43 <halfhalo> no snow
Jan 05 01:36:39 <torchie> lol ces in vegas
Jan 05 01:36:49 <torchie> report in the daytime party at night
Jan 05 01:37:12 <halfhalo> stupid ces unveiled was a waste
Jan 05 01:37:18 <halfhalo> sept fr the open bae
Jan 05 01:37:20 <halfhalo> bar
Jan 05 01:38:36 <torchie> take a shot every time you see a windows 7 tablet
Jan 05 01:40:28 <Loudergood> tablets are the new twitter
Jan 05 01:54:51 <dohtem> halfhalo: did you go to LA just for CES?
Jan 05 01:56:14 <Loudergood> I hope he didn't go to LA for it
Jan 05 01:56:16 <dohtem> err, LV
Jan 05 02:03:58 <mugen-> yay people
Jan 05 02:04:54 <mugen-> well you don't go to LV for fun... that's for sure
Jan 05 02:05:50 <mugen-> k, so i don't understand minecraft. can someone explain it to me
Jan 05 02:06:15 <mugen-> are there multiple servers everywhere? what do you do inside a minecraft server? wtf wTF!?
Jan 05 02:09:30 <Loudergood> I don't know..I think it's for people that really liked legos
Jan 05 02:10:20 <halfhalo> yeah, just for ces
Jan 05 02:12:13 <oil> mugen-: i dont know for sure
Jan 05 02:12:21 <oil> but i think anyone can run their own server for whoever
Jan 05 02:12:37 <oil> and in it, instead of just you mining? everyone is together
Jan 05 02:13:16 <oil> http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
Jan 05 02:13:30 <Loudergood> I think the mine part is sort of irrelevant next to the craft part
Jan 05 02:13:51 <oil> well you had to mine to craft
Jan 05 02:14:20 <Loudergood> right, but I'm saying the craft part is what makes it popular
Jan 05 02:14:33 <oil> i think its an awesome game
Jan 05 02:15:30 * oil is going to try multiplayer right now
Jan 05 02:16:04 <dohtem> CES!
Jan 05 02:16:14 <dohtem> halfhalo: where are the pics of booth babes?
Jan 05 02:17:00 <torchie> my friend just bought minecraft and it apparently runs like balls on his thinkpad
Jan 05 02:17:07 <torchie> :(
Jan 05 02:17:43 <Loudergood> really? I wouldn't think it'd be demanding
Jan 05 02:17:49 <torchie> yeah that's what I imagined too
Jan 05 02:17:59 <torchie> he has an L series with intel HD integrated
Jan 05 02:18:20 <torchie> I thought that'd be significantly better than the gma950
Jan 05 02:19:13 <Loudergood> my gf's laptop has the gma950...I haven't seen anything that slow since I owned a 4mb rage card
Jan 05 02:19:42 <torchie> yeah it's balls
Jan 05 02:19:49 <torchie> macbook 06 has it
Jan 05 02:19:55 <torchie> I can't run the orange box
Jan 05 02:20:10 <Loudergood> thankfully my thinkpad t60 has radeon x1400
Jan 05 02:20:23 <torchie> portal's slow with lighting issues, team fortress 2 is unplayable, hl2 straight up dies at random
Jan 05 02:20:47 <torchie> I was looking at this one thinkpad with nvidia quadro FX but wasn't sure how much better that was than integrated
Jan 05 02:21:11 <Loudergood> I find wikipedia to be the most helpful with that stuff
Jan 05 02:21:17 <torchie> not particularly fantastic, according to that site that compares laptop GPUs
Jan 05 02:21:32 <Loudergood> it's really hard to find benchmarks to compare mobile stuff
Jan 05 02:21:46 <torchie> yeah for the most part they just play a bunch of games on each machine
Jan 05 02:22:15 <torchie> then separate everything into "classes"
Jan 05 02:22:24 <torchie> http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-320M.25099.0.html
Jan 05 02:23:34 <Loudergood> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_300M_.283xxM.29_series
Jan 05 02:25:30 <dawm_> lame
Jan 05 02:25:40 <dawm_> was updating apps on the ipod (35 of them apparently)
Jan 05 02:25:53 <dawm_> wifi dropped off completely and i lost like 30 apps..
Jan 05 02:26:08 <Loudergood> weird
Jan 05 02:26:14 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 05 02:26:34 <halfhalo> ohohohooh
Jan 05 02:26:35 <Loudergood> so it deletes them before downloading and installing? ha
Jan 05 02:26:43 <halfhalo> msi grab bags
Jan 05 02:26:54 <dawm_> i guess
Jan 05 02:27:04 <dohtem> halfhalo: how much were the tickets?
Jan 05 02:31:37 <halfhalo> free
Jan 05 02:34:02 <halfhalo> hehehe
Jan 05 02:35:55 <dohtem> Best. Comment. Ever. - http://www.precentral.net/excited-event-announcement-palm-pens-poem#comment_375937
Jan 05 02:45:32 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 05 02:45:39 <Loudergood> if only the crack wasn't so good
Jan 05 02:45:49 <torchie> hurts so good
Jan 05 02:47:59 <Loudergood> heh, that's fun to watch
Jan 05 02:48:16 <Loudergood> I just opened the cross fuzzer test in firefox
Jan 05 02:48:23 <Loudergood> the window is bouncing all over the place
Jan 05 02:48:34 <Loudergood> had to disable popup blocking to get it to work though
Jan 05 02:53:01 <halfhalo> msi time
Jan 05 02:53:36 <halfhalo> :p
Jan 05 02:54:06 <Loudergood> again, pictures of booth babes pls
Jan 05 02:55:07 <halfhalo> no booth babes yet
Jan 05 02:55:22 <halfhalo> ces hasn't even started
Jan 05 02:56:17 <Loudergood> I can see it now "ces booth babes 2011" $4.99 in the marketplace
Jan 05 02:58:51 <halfhalo> hahahahaha
Jan 05 02:58:52 <halfhalo> presenters drinking a beer
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