**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 06 02:59:58 2011 Jan 06 03:35:02 odd question perhaps... but is there a way to remote control the phone? End goal is just to be able to use a pc/laptop to type Jan 06 03:38:29 decoyed: at the command line level, yes. Jan 06 03:38:55 for the UI, no. But there is some sort of relay functionality that I think they use for demos, but it might be output only Jan 06 03:40:20 Ahh. I've had SSH working for a while, but was hoping I could find something for the UI. Jan 06 03:40:51 Sad when all I really want is a full sized keyboard. Thanks, though. Jan 06 03:41:35 decoyed: webOS 2.0 has BT keyboard support Jan 06 03:41:58 Google Apps is pretty awesome :o Jan 06 03:43:59 rwhitby: I missed that in the updates list. Might have to check that out eventually. I don't have a bluetooth keyboard at this point either, though. Jan 06 05:13:14 * halfhalo is tired Jan 06 05:25:26 hey half, has verizon done their thing yet at ces? Jan 06 05:27:46 CTLAdvance, yes... I do to Jan 06 05:27:53 * mugen- points to your tweet. Jan 06 05:28:24 i wish all brands went all out and did a flagship model that was updated a-la iPhone style Jan 06 05:28:28 * CTLAdvance runs to tweetdeck Jan 06 05:28:36 aha Jan 06 05:28:43 yes rahul soods tweet Jan 06 05:29:07 rahul sood still exists? Jan 06 05:29:57 yes but he works for MS now Jan 06 05:30:01 closest thing android's got to flagship is nexus Jan 06 05:30:25 yeah, WP7 should have one (samsung, htc, lg, etc) and webOS should have one Jan 06 05:30:52 the sad thing is that my printer has a bigger screen then my pre2 does :/ Jan 06 05:30:54 but just one true hardcore model that is always updated every year or two, and is just drop dead perfect in every way Jan 06 05:30:58 maybe not as good, but still Jan 06 05:31:05 :( Jan 06 05:31:57 ugh... so we waiting impatiently for the end of the year (no webOS 2.0 for pre/pixi) Jan 06 05:31:58 The thing is, WP7 and android can run on the same hardware, just with different key layout on the front Jan 06 05:32:01 so... Jan 06 05:32:12 then we waited for CES... and ugh. Jan 06 05:32:16 it would be easy to get a Android and WP& from the same batch Jan 06 05:32:19 NOW we have to wait for feb... Jan 06 05:32:28 CTLAdvance, yeah Jan 06 05:32:48 it's just one button dif, right? the menu button on android? Jan 06 05:33:51 yep Jan 06 05:34:08 and the actual icon itself Jan 06 05:34:11 though Jan 06 05:34:26 they could just add a screen there and have software buttons Jan 06 05:34:36 still an easy feat for an engineer to come up with an elegant "modular" solution Jan 06 05:34:37 so same device completely, different rom Jan 06 05:34:59 yeah Jan 06 05:35:08 brb Jan 06 05:36:44 what if HP just like Jan 06 05:36:59 did a device in every diagonal screen measurement Jan 06 05:37:19 from one inch to twelve Jan 06 05:37:33 palm one - the name infringing ipod nano competitor! Jan 06 05:37:53 lol Jan 06 05:38:15 We need a tablet that has a propper phone included Jan 06 05:38:28 12 inches with speaker phone or bluetooth Jan 06 05:39:03 it'd be cool to put phone hardware in it but not explicitly market the phone features or charge a phone price Jan 06 05:39:22 12 inch tablet though, sounds like dell streak territory Jan 06 05:39:31 DUDE WHY HAVE A 3 INCH WHEN YOU CAN HAVE A 4 INCH Jan 06 05:39:42 no youre stupid because instead of a 4 inch you can have a 5 INCH SCREEN Jan 06 05:40:08 * torchie shoots revolvers in the air and rides his monster truck over a hummer Jan 06 05:40:43 i wonder when this tbablet will launch Jan 06 05:45:01 5" is my kind of phone Jan 06 05:45:24 but f it, id get rid of my main phone if I could get a tablet with it Jan 06 05:47:51 all I want is 3.7 slate with iphone aspect ratio heh Jan 06 05:51:45 I want the new moto phone Jan 06 05:51:57 torchie: probably we'll have one in 2011 sometime for webos Jan 06 05:52:58 some of the new devices mentioned in the 2.0 doctor don't have keyboards, it stands to reason some are slates with big glass screens Jan 06 05:53:10 hopefully Jan 06 05:53:11 nice Jan 06 05:53:12 durable Jan 06 05:53:14 sturdy Jan 06 05:53:16 slates Jan 06 05:53:20 with gorilla glass screens Jan 06 05:58:26 and waterproof everything Jan 06 05:59:22 5 wouldn't be bad though, if I could walk around with a PSP and a centro I could handle a single phone that large Jan 06 06:03:02 torchie, i think you and i are going to have a heart attack the day a new device is announced and shown Jan 06 06:03:24 seriously... i mean, i know the community will go nuts. but i think you're on the same level as me. Jan 06 06:03:36 like a 90's teen girl swooning over nsync Jan 06 06:03:59 lol Jan 06 06:04:18 I'm ridiculously hype Jan 06 06:04:20 for something Jan 06 06:04:22 ANYTHING Jan 06 06:04:24 on sprint Jan 06 06:04:41 eff sprint Jan 06 06:04:45 big red Jan 06 06:05:08 I either stay on sprint or I don't get smartphones Jan 06 06:05:17 webos is the best thing since sliced bread but Jan 06 06:06:36 after 4 pre minuses (the fourth of which is derping) and my $150 upgrade credit in march Jan 06 06:07:07 I really don't want to settle for optimus Jan 06 06:07:08 seriously?! the last one you bought is already on its way out?!?! Jan 06 06:07:15 it's not dying but Jan 06 06:07:19 the way it came was with a bad speaker Jan 06 06:07:33 damn bro Jan 06 06:07:37 and the earpiece is a little quiet Jan 06 06:07:40 you've got horrid luck Jan 06 06:07:48 must be horrid luck Jan 06 06:07:51 :( Jan 06 06:08:02 nothing I've ever owned that I can hold in my hand has crapped out on me this many times :( Jan 06 06:10:46 i'll concede... my pre+ has given me so many problems. i've never had that much issues with a device ever Jan 06 06:10:57 even when i root/hack the shit out of the device... Jan 06 06:11:11 but i can't stand not using a webos device now Jan 06 06:12:47 oooo... ugh. can't believe i'm going to say this. but the Droid Bionic looks pretty secksi Jan 06 06:13:08 if it's more vanilla gingerbread than anything... it really looks noms Jan 06 06:13:58 man i had to get rid of the pre. too many problems Jan 06 06:15:01 even the pre+ had issues? Jan 06 06:15:28 I think the android king is that motorola AT&T "4G" phone Jan 06 06:15:33 the one with 1GB ram Jan 06 06:15:43 yeah... i had tons of problems with my pre+ Jan 06 06:15:49 that and the sony ericsson that's apparently ridiculously thin Jan 06 06:15:49 none with my pixi+ Jan 06 06:15:53 but those are prob both at&t Jan 06 06:15:55 and not webos Jan 06 06:16:02 pre+ is 512mb Jan 06 06:16:08 ugh... sony ericsson Jan 06 06:16:09 you know what would be awesome Jan 06 06:16:11 * mugen- shutters Jan 06 06:16:18 ... you're about to tell me? Jan 06 06:16:20 if the pixi had the exact same specs as the pre Jan 06 06:16:28 oh for sure Jan 06 06:16:31 but with a different form factor Jan 06 06:16:32 i LOVE the form factor Jan 06 06:16:34 i love the epic 4g Jan 06 06:16:54 when I had my treo pro I was like WOW you know what would be great, this but with a bigger screen and an OS that doesn't make me cry Jan 06 06:21:08 considering switching to pixi if they get cheaper on craigslist since everyone's droided up and they've been around for about a year Jan 06 06:21:25 but no wifis or visualboyadvance or superNES :( Jan 06 06:35:33 what games do you play on your emulator? Jan 06 06:36:54 I got pretty far in zelda before palm profile forced me to reset Jan 06 06:37:25 boo Jan 06 06:37:34 i love zelda Jan 06 06:37:35 superNES I don't play as often as I want to, but it feels great to know Jan 06 06:37:37 that for once Jan 06 06:37:46 something in my pocket is powerful enough to emulate every SNES game Jan 06 06:37:46 n Jan 06 06:37:47 ot Jan 06 06:37:48  Jan 06 06:38:11 not just mario world and earthbound, but the crazy chipped stuff like tales of phantasia and yoshi's island and star ocean Jan 06 06:41:12 i can't play platformers on a device like that Jan 06 06:41:26 controls get too much in the way of the game field of view, etc... :( Jan 06 06:41:30 i'm not limber enough damnit! Jan 06 06:49:42 yeah that's why a bigger screen would be good Jan 06 06:49:54 I have no problem with touch control, but I do have a problem with touch controls that block the game Jan 06 06:50:12 imagine if the whole large touch surface was made to look like a game boy :) Jan 06 06:50:42 bigger more usable buttons for the action games, transparent overlay for rpgs Jan 06 07:00:53 mmmmmm Jan 06 07:00:59 hehe Jan 06 07:47:02 Tibfib: ping Jan 06 08:03:32 torchie: bluetooth controller in one hand, phone in the other Jan 06 08:03:46 something like nunchuk / zeemote Jan 06 09:09:21 itunes needs a smart playlist generator that works via bpm or something Jan 06 09:30:37 * mugen- plays dj for a bit... bewarned of dnb, breaks, jungle, and progressive Jan 06 09:30:43 http://goo.gl/xjIGp Jan 06 09:33:15 you would really like the uk music scene Jan 06 09:35:19 http://goo.gl/pu61i Jan 06 09:35:44 i'm british born and bred :( moved state side when i was 20 Jan 06 09:35:58 miss it like you couldn't imagine Jan 06 09:36:07 ah Jan 06 09:36:20 went to London a couple of years ago. Jan 06 09:36:51 it wasnt till weeks later I realized all my pics of London were at night :) Jan 06 09:37:13 I had a lot of fun Jan 06 09:39:29 ugh... it's amazing fun Jan 06 09:40:40 where you from again? Jan 06 09:41:44 NorCal Jan 06 09:42:18 how come you moved to the States? Jan 06 09:45:02 http://goo.gl/B6BCX Jan 06 09:45:11 family stuff Jan 06 09:45:43 father opened a united states presence in the company he was working for and needed an engineer Jan 06 09:45:55 it was an easy decision Jan 06 09:47:29 ah Jan 06 09:49:02 hey are you manually shortening those URLs? Jan 06 09:49:25 or you using a bookmarklet or something? Jan 06 09:56:53 bookmarklet Jan 06 09:57:04 can you do me a favor and try this? Jan 06 09:57:05 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/late-night-rapide Jan 06 09:57:50 k Jan 06 09:58:50 i can't tell if it works from my end... i've not used soundflower before Jan 06 10:00:28 channel is offline now Jan 06 10:00:37 hmmm... hold on Jan 06 10:01:16 refresh Jan 06 10:01:23 ok, its back Jan 06 10:01:43 and gone :) Jan 06 10:01:53 meh, time for bed anyways. Jan 06 10:01:56 yeah... everytime i get a connection soundflower dumps Jan 06 10:02:01 oh well, play another night. Jan 06 10:02:03 nite Jan 06 10:02:08 laters Jan 06 10:30:46 Can someone check this for me? http://www.ustream.tv/channel/late-night-rapide Jan 06 10:55:30 anyone in here getting 0 apps in the app catalog? Jan 06 11:01:18 yep, on 1.4.5 only Jan 06 11:04:27 works fine for me Jan 06 11:04:32 on 1.4.5 Jan 06 11:06:07 yep, back up again no Jan 06 11:06:08 now Jan 06 11:43:56 what's everyone use to manage ringtones? Jan 06 11:44:03 any decent app out there...? Jan 06 12:15:49 Hi, It appears that I need to be a registered company to sign up for the WebOS developer program - is there no facility for individuals to sign up? Jan 06 12:21:23 You can write what ever you want Jan 06 12:21:35 If you wonna make you own company write the name Jan 06 12:21:49 Yoy can also use your own name Jan 06 12:23:01 hotdp: I tried that but then it wanted me to register my company for tax purposes later on Jan 06 12:23:19 and I don't have a company tax number (I'm in the UK which may be complicating the issue though) Jan 06 12:28:57 oh wow, way to make it a bloody pain in the neck to develop for webos for non-us developers Jan 06 12:29:27 it seems I have to register to get a us tax number then post/fax a form through. Why no email love? Jan 06 12:29:30 hell, why no online form? Jan 06 12:37:04 Haegin Jan 06 12:37:08 i was away Jan 06 12:37:22 If you would like to sell paid apps you need a tax number Jan 06 12:37:27 that is pretty normla Jan 06 12:37:39 hotdp: I can understand that, but I'm just wanting to do open source development Jan 06 12:37:45 currently at least Jan 06 12:37:55 That should be possible Jan 06 12:38:11 at the moment it's looking like the hoops I'm having to jump through to get registered make the whole process not worth going through Jan 06 12:38:59 I'll just put in bogus details I guess Jan 06 12:39:18 maybe empty? Jan 06 12:39:47 it was a required field so I went for 'N/A' Jan 06 12:40:45 hotdp: out of interest, are you registered as a developer? your hostmask indicates you're not in the US Jan 06 12:43:55 I am from Denmark Jan 06 12:44:07 I have created a danish tax number tha ti use Jan 06 12:45:01 hotdp: ah ok, and you didn't need to create a US tax number? Jan 06 12:45:07 no not at all Jan 06 12:45:14 that will not make any sense Jan 06 12:45:14 oh ok Jan 06 12:45:32 I got told to fill in various US tax forms as soon as I changed the country drop down to UK Jan 06 12:45:48 Yes i have filled out some forms Jan 06 12:45:53 that is correct Jan 06 12:46:12 hm actually i can't remember what i did :D maybe i have that number.. Jan 06 12:46:15 its long ago Jan 06 12:46:35 heh, fair enough. thanks Jan 06 12:50:31 :S Jan 06 13:50:25 Anyone look at the engadget review of the playbook Jan 06 13:50:35 Anyone look at the engadget review of the playbook Jan 06 13:50:45 http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/blackberry-playbook-preview/ Jan 06 13:51:53 nope Jan 06 13:51:56 its not ferom palm ;) Jan 06 13:52:54 When is palm ces presentation? Jan 06 13:53:08 1 month Jan 06 13:53:15 and 3 days i think Jan 06 13:53:31 They aren't at ces? Jan 06 13:54:29 So many smart phones being announced recently. All android it seems. Jan 06 13:54:32 DAMN Jan 06 13:54:51 the gesture and cards are like 00 copy paste from palm Jan 06 13:55:50 i am shucked Jan 06 13:56:43 CTLAdvance "The operating system has a lot of similarities to webOS. Some might say too many, but we're not complaining" Jan 06 13:57:11 its almost an exact copy Jan 06 13:57:19 they do webOS better then palm/hp do Jan 06 13:57:32 watch that video Jan 06 13:57:36 I have Jan 06 13:57:40 i am shooked Jan 06 13:57:42 I hope HP lawyers are ready Jan 06 13:57:44 its just like webos Jan 06 13:58:01 i dont think they will do anything, if blackberry would not have done it Jan 06 13:58:03 the cards for multitasking is a patent violation in the US i believe Jan 06 13:58:57 yeah your probably correct Jan 06 13:59:19 but sad i think Jan 06 13:59:58 I am not sure that there would be any reason to go with webOS if it was stacked next to this thing Jan 06 14:00:22 will be interesting to see how this gets launched and what hp launches Jan 06 14:00:36 yes Jan 06 14:01:02 a swipe from the bottom bringing up the main screen with a series of "cards" (our / Palm's word, not RIM's) in the center Jan 06 14:03:57 there is so much Jan 06 14:05:27 This underscores why HP needs to bring their A game Jan 06 14:07:15 and they will Jan 06 14:07:36 but i just think its sad there is so much webos on the playbook Jan 06 14:36:02 welcome hacknperl how is it going getting perl to work? Jan 06 14:37:39 Honestly... havn't given any thaught to getting perl running on webos Jan 06 14:37:49 I'll bet it wouldn't be that hard... Jan 06 14:38:36 Would have to put together a small perl distro for webos... hehe... maybe this would be useful.... hmmm Jan 06 14:48:41 hmm... is there already a way to run perl scripts on webos? Jan 06 14:51:45 is there a perl interpreter that's been written in js? Jan 06 14:53:03 of course not.... Jan 06 14:56:29 * halfhalo does like the everything has an open bar part of ces Jan 06 14:58:37 everything is open bar? Jan 06 15:00:04 pretty much Jan 06 15:00:18 good morning #webos Jan 06 15:00:30 at least at the venetian Jan 06 15:11:38 coldcoldcold Jan 06 15:12:01 * halfhalo is missing his intel event Jan 06 15:51:51 anything new from palm at that ces or whatever it is called? Jan 06 15:52:37 nope Jan 06 15:52:47 :( Jan 06 15:52:51 unless there was something at showstoppers or pepcom Jan 06 15:53:30 ces just started, no? Jan 06 15:53:34 im so loosing my patients with palm... i still love their products... just wanting new hardware and some os upgrades really badly Jan 06 15:53:36 there could still be something Jan 06 15:53:45 ces started yesterday right? Jan 06 15:53:51 though, most likely everything will be at the HP event early february Jan 06 15:53:54 today Jan 06 15:53:59 technically Jan 06 15:54:08 hacknperl: press was yesterday and a few keynotes Jan 06 15:54:15 technically, it started tuesday night Jan 06 15:54:42 oh... i really need a tablet... i have been considering the galaxy BUT i want to wait so i can give palm my support Jan 06 15:55:07 tuesday night was blah Jan 06 15:55:15 I cant wait much longer though... i have a business to run and i want all my invoicing done out on the jobs via a tablet... not a phone.... Jan 06 15:55:22 well, main conference starts in like 8 minutes Jan 06 15:55:48 I thought it was 1pm pacific? Jan 06 15:56:03 and i need a tablet to be able to print out on the road via bluetooth or something... a simple wireless printer.... Jan 06 15:56:28 gkatsev, nope Jan 06 15:56:36 palm has an oppurtunity with a tablet here and an ultra mobile printer... i hope they do something Jan 06 15:57:16 halfhalo: ok, perhaps I just misheard or just remembering 1pm for something else Jan 06 15:58:11 hp makes printers... if they make a nice rugged tablet and rugged small printer that is very open and easy to write apps to use it they will have a product that will make them one if the best selling blah blah... Jan 06 15:59:00 the new motorolla tablet that is going to have honeycomb at some point looks nice, though Jan 06 15:59:00 http://git.preyourmind.org/video-2011-01-05-19-16-21.mp4 Jan 06 15:59:20 Didn't play with the moto tablet, but the new arix or whatever is nice Jan 06 15:59:26 I think businesses all over would buy the two of them together... printer should run on batteries and be pretty mobile.... doesnt even have to print full letter size... just nice invoice size or have options for any printer... Jan 06 15:59:40 halfhalo: the one from vizio? Jan 06 16:00:07 no, moto's new phone Jan 06 16:00:26 has an embedded linux distro that launches when docked with a laptop dock or a desktop dock Jan 06 16:00:37 looks like it ran ff, metacity, and docky Jan 06 16:01:07 oh, ok, don't remember the naming schemes Jan 06 16:01:21 neither do I, and I was there... :p Jan 06 16:01:29 I wish that lenovos U1 hybrid will finally come out Jan 06 16:01:40 it's very sexy Jan 06 16:01:48 ehhhhhh Jan 06 16:01:50 hhhhhhh Jan 06 16:01:57 * halfhalo played with one Jan 06 16:02:00 halfhalo: haha, but foot pain probably distracts you from remembering Jan 06 16:02:06 halfhalo: this year? Jan 06 16:02:22 yeah, lenovo had a bar thinger Jan 06 16:02:36 halfhalo: well, the concept is a good one, at least. And it looks nice. Perhaps the execution is terrible. I don't know. Jan 06 16:02:52 it is Jan 06 16:03:03 heh Jan 06 16:03:10 lol, samsungs press thing was interesting Jan 06 16:03:14 but now it's android, right? Jan 06 16:03:25 definitely better than last years for sure Jan 06 16:03:43 when they were showing off their new tv's, they had two led's and a plasma, and the plasma was just complete crap next to the led's Jan 06 16:03:54 haha Jan 06 16:03:57 but the led's are nice.... cost more than a car, but nice Jan 06 16:04:09 something like a 2.2mm bezel Jan 06 16:04:14 oled? Jan 06 16:04:25 or just led Jan 06 16:04:40 led Jan 06 16:04:51 ok Jan 06 16:05:00 but really really really nice Jan 06 16:05:11 i'm kind of just waiting for ces to be over to just read everything about it in one fell swoop Jan 06 16:05:31 lol Jan 06 16:05:32 have you seen vizio's new stuff? supposed to be fairly coolo Jan 06 16:05:49 yeah Jan 06 16:06:00 its on a wall across from where I'm sitting Jan 06 16:06:07 nice Jan 06 16:06:25 but I have another gigabyte thing at 10, hoping to get some review units of their new mobo's Jan 06 16:07:14 and an intel review cpu Jan 06 16:07:34 hmmm.... and some ram from someone... Jan 06 16:07:43 lol Jan 06 16:07:48 and a case Jan 06 16:07:50 and a gpu Jan 06 16:07:55 and a monitor perhaps? Jan 06 16:07:57 have those Jan 06 16:08:03 ah, lol Jan 06 16:08:18 maybe a killer nic though Jan 06 16:08:26 400mhz embedded linux is a win Jan 06 16:08:34 halfhalo: you should totally try and get a PC built just from review units or freebies you get at CES Jan 06 16:08:50 don't tempt me Jan 06 16:08:59 * gkatsev tempts halfhalo Jan 06 16:09:15 but if I went that route I wouldn't want the super high end stuff.... Jan 06 16:09:47 I really want someone to do that now. Jan 06 16:10:24 ok, I should get back to work Jan 06 17:46:38 Hello Chuqui Jan 06 17:46:47 hola! Jan 06 17:53:28 How are you doing today Jan 06 17:53:47 crap after i saw the playbook Jan 06 17:54:09 chuqui don't palm have copy right on "cards" gestures ect ? Jan 06 17:54:29 I think they have patent on the cards interface, or thought they did Jan 06 17:54:34 hotdp: I don't know. Jan 06 17:55:04 chuqui: I think RIM is trying to out webOS webOS :-( Jan 06 17:55:22 yeah, but it's RIM. Jan 06 17:57:03 I know and there phones still rock java like its 1999 Jan 06 17:57:09 :-( Jan 06 18:09:15 I have to say, I am excited to see webOS on printers Jan 06 18:09:30 I think it will be a great fit for the officejet pro series Jan 06 18:09:51 sadly, my new printer has a bigger screen than my pre2 :-( Jan 06 18:10:38 maybe the next device should have a printer built into it, Palm *devicename* with OfficeJet Jan 06 18:13:18 People will be hogging up the printer to play Angry Birds Jan 06 18:13:25 I hope so Jan 06 18:13:29 ooo Jan 06 18:13:42 play angry birds manually via printer Jan 06 18:13:45 print the map Jan 06 18:13:53 draw where your trajectory Jan 06 18:13:56 scan in Jan 06 18:14:00 it shows your move Jan 06 18:14:15 heh Jan 06 18:14:18 BOOM Jan 06 18:14:19 ink sales Jan 06 18:14:33 webOS could easily take 50% of the printer market Jan 06 18:15:52 this printer is cool though Jan 06 18:16:10 HEY DOGG Jan 06 18:16:12 I can download printer apps on it, print news out, blank calendars Jan 06 18:16:38 webOS would be much nicer I think Jan 06 18:48:56 anyone with a palm pre 2 notice an uptick in "too many cards error" ? the phone is suddenly unstable for me , started right around jan 1 - may mean nothing Jan 06 18:50:50 nope Jan 06 18:51:48 InfiniteLoop: try doing a reset or something? Jan 06 18:55:59 infiniteloop - no not an issue with mine Jan 06 18:56:29 oh well, must be my device - I have had to reboot it once every day now Jan 06 18:56:47 InfiniteLoop: try a reset, might help Jan 06 18:56:54 i have to reboot mine once a day cause it starts screwing up txt messaging stuff Jan 06 18:58:42 * hotdp Pre 2 works perfect Jan 06 18:59:07 my pre 2 on sprint is fine as well Jan 06 19:00:36 you get all the kinks worked out on that? Jan 06 19:04:02 yes i did Jan 06 19:04:23 well except for the profile Jan 06 19:04:36 its v9.9.9 no angry birds Jan 06 19:04:44 but who cares about that Jan 06 19:05:14 everything else works great Jan 06 19:05:18 sms, phone etc Jan 06 19:07:32 interesting Jan 06 19:17:00 http://foursquare.com/mtv Jan 06 19:17:01 lame Jan 06 19:17:06 a GTL badge? .. Jan 06 19:28:34 * oilsworkn looks around Jan 06 19:31:45 around what? Jan 06 19:32:05 around #webos Jan 06 19:32:24 * oilsworkn found a haeffb using wirc Jan 06 19:35:27 wooo! Jan 06 19:36:27 hi Jan 06 19:36:57 hi Jan 06 19:38:22 :/ Jan 06 19:39:26 Florida in Feb ? Jan 06 19:40:13 florida? Jan 06 19:41:01 i go florida in july? :D Jan 06 19:41:39 florida: the only place i've ever seen "minimum" speed limits posted on the side of the road Jan 06 19:42:12 oilsworkn: we have em on the interstate in Colorado too Jan 06 19:42:18 lol old people Jan 06 19:42:29 rarely Jan 06 19:42:33 "speed up grandma or you're gonna get pulled over!" Jan 06 19:45:28 LOL! Jan 06 19:45:39 But litering in CA has large fines Jan 06 19:45:42 we have them in the US Jan 06 19:45:44 GA* Jan 06 19:45:51 40mph is minimum on the interstate Jan 06 19:45:55 all your states are weird Jan 06 19:45:57 but if you drive 40 you get killed Jan 06 19:46:07 the minimum safe speed in GA on the interstate is around 70mph Jan 06 19:46:35 my state is awesome Jan 06 19:46:39 OIL Jan 06 19:46:42 !!!!!! Jan 06 19:46:47 ? Jan 06 19:46:53 Does Sprint Pre 2 work yet? Jan 06 19:47:01 How are you btw Jan 06 19:47:03 ebay dude is yet to call Jan 06 19:47:28 on the 17th it will have been a month, and ill ping him again Jan 06 19:47:39 your waiting a month? Jan 06 19:47:41 lol Jan 06 19:47:47 * oilsworkn is in no rush Jan 06 19:47:49 i would have been to his house by now Jan 06 19:47:52 er... Jan 06 19:48:36 here I come again... Jan 06 19:48:46 only if wirc wasn't so buggy Jan 06 19:49:23 i mean... Jan 06 19:49:28 your internet didn't suck Jan 06 19:50:15 * oilsworkn adds issue to prewares redmine Jan 06 19:58:03 grrrr Jan 06 19:58:32 whats with this redmine garbage Jan 06 19:58:52 * oilsworkn looks at halfhalo Jan 06 19:59:13 ? Jan 06 19:59:37 why doesn't giving an issue a resolution remove it from the list? Jan 06 20:00:07 i had to set it to closed to get it to go away Jan 06 20:00:15 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/304 Jan 06 20:00:30 * oilsworkn goes to lunch, bbl Jan 06 20:03:09 Because it by default shows all non closed issues Jan 06 20:15:34 anyway to turn of calendar reminders ? Jan 06 20:17:46 the com.palm.service.calendar.reminders.js seems to be eating up memory on my device Jan 06 20:18:06 oh Jan 06 20:48:31 wow, skype bought up qik Jan 06 20:50:25 100 million smackeroos! Jan 06 20:50:40 interesting Jan 06 20:51:35 wierd... looks like when I update my app's title in appinfo.json and push the new version to my device, the new title doesnt show up in the launcher until a device restart Jan 06 20:52:04 delete the app Jan 06 20:52:06 then reinstall Jan 06 20:52:10 yeah that works too Jan 06 20:52:12 had the same issue, with icon as well Jan 06 20:52:39 its always had that problem Jan 06 20:54:31 yep Jan 06 20:54:39 damn browser cache Jan 06 20:54:42 er... Jan 06 20:55:08 I'm worried about folks that will be updating. they wont notice the new title till whenever Jan 06 20:55:49 what are you renaming? Jan 06 20:56:10 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1947&start=0 -- looks like someone figured it out Jan 06 20:56:24 oil: the app's name in launcher Jan 06 20:56:36 thats not what i meant :/ Jan 06 20:56:40 oh Jan 06 20:56:45 Hacker News app Jan 06 20:57:13 ah Jan 06 20:58:06 hey chuqui Jan 06 20:59:01 hey chuqui, did the approval process for beta/web dist. apps change? It seems to take a tad longer now. Jan 06 21:04:33 dohtem: there's a glitch going on that's affecting the feed push and some of the apps and causing some delays. they're working on it. Jan 06 21:04:43 oil: happy new year! Jan 06 21:05:13 chuqui: ah, thanks. Jan 06 21:05:36 dohtem: I'm trying ot organize a gremlin hunt. Jan 06 21:05:46 * oil is lookin forward to new webos stuff this year :) Jan 06 21:07:33 oil: 1 month, 3 days. Jan 06 21:10:07 afternoon Chuqui Jan 06 21:11:54 dohtem: not really Jan 06 21:12:01 unless they announce a "available today" type thing Jan 06 21:12:31 I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAKING THE PRESS BADGES?! Jan 06 21:20:23 dohtem: that's how long to an announcement. question is how long to a release? Jan 06 21:20:51 is there a way to make a textfield uneditible Jan 06 21:25:49 PuffTheMagic: disabled attribute? Jan 06 21:27:13 * oil goes back to work, bbl Jan 06 21:29:56 oil: work? what's that? Jan 06 21:40:29 halfhalo: still at CES? Jan 06 21:47:18 so snow and ice all over the roads for the last month or so Jan 06 21:47:23 today the roads are bare and dry Jan 06 21:47:28 and some lady rear-ends me Jan 06 21:52:46 of course Jan 06 21:52:56 people drive fast and stupid when the roads look good Jan 06 21:53:08 and just don't stop Jan 06 21:53:09 lol Jan 06 21:53:45 is it Feb 9th yet?? Jan 06 21:53:56 b0bben: yes Jan 06 21:54:03 i knew it! Jan 06 21:54:03 gotta get their angry birds fix in while they're driving you know Jan 06 22:19:02 hey, a wircer Jan 06 22:19:11 Tibfib: ping Jan 06 22:34:09 http://www.flickr.com/windows7/ -- I wish they'd do an official app for webOS too. Jan 06 23:38:29 say anything new with palm today? Jan 06 23:38:39 so not say Jan 06 23:42:04 not today, but a few days ago some invites went out for feb 9th Jan 06 23:42:48 yeah Jan 06 23:42:58 HP's CTO said you won't see a tablet from Palm at CES Jan 06 23:43:14 (Probably because it's going to get shown at Feb 9th!) Jan 06 23:44:06 I wonder what they are going to do at CES Jan 06 23:44:15 they certainly have some rooms Jan 06 23:45:18 I dunno, they might just have stuff showing off Enyo + webOS 2.0 Jan 06 23:45:27 but I don't think there's going to be any major devices until the 9th Jan 06 23:46:59 oh that I agree Jan 06 23:47:10 s/major devices/major device announcements/ Jan 06 23:47:11 * Loudergood is secretly hoping they release enyo Jan 06 23:48:35 * SineOt is too! Jan 06 23:49:22 what we need is someone to go sneak in there now and tell us what's going on Jan 06 23:50:25 * oilsworkn votes halfhalo Jan 06 23:52:17 I could tell you, but... well, no, I can't. Jan 06 23:53:16 such a tease, lol Jan 06 23:53:50 oilsworkn: I like that idea, if he gets caught he could just pretend to be inebriated and looking for a restroom Jan 06 23:53:52 that's cause lemketron is so out of the loop that he doesn't know Jan 06 23:54:02 ;) Jan 06 23:54:05 lol Jan 06 23:54:10 Loudergood: pretend? Jan 06 23:54:32 heh Jan 06 23:55:00 oilsworkn: sure, if he's too far gone he wont be able to tell us what he finds Jan 06 23:55:40 I can only hope that Palm starts up that meet up on the last thursdays of the month! Jan 07 00:01:33 SineOt: what meetup? Jan 07 00:03:10 Palm isn't doing anything at CES? Jan 07 00:03:47 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10411 Jan 07 00:04:52 hi, I just upgraded to the Pre 2 but all my bookmarks are messed up, anyone know where I can go to fix it? from the start page I have them all, but when I press on the app menu then bookmarks to edit or delete any of them, the list there is empty Jan 07 00:05:45 chuqui: I'd make the trip all the way up there to attend something on a thursday, for sure XD Jan 07 00:07:40 whoa.. thanks SineOt Jan 07 00:11:07 ACTION  Jan 07 00:19:54 Deihmos: HP has a booth there - http://twitpic.com/3ndipw Jan 07 00:24:19 does anyone know if i can change x-mojo-element via js on the fly? Jan 07 00:28:10 dohtem: are those giant webOS phones on those stands? Jan 07 00:28:35 dohtem: I see a picture of a palm pre Jan 07 00:39:13 Ok... who wants to make perl run on webos? Jan 07 00:39:18 lol Jan 07 00:42:15 hacknperl: it already does, just install optware Jan 07 00:42:27 ipkg-opt install perl Jan 07 00:51:06 hola! Jan 07 00:55:58 hello Jan 07 00:57:45 listenin to the endgadget podcast, where JoshT is saying how HPalm should make Android apps run on webOS Jan 07 00:58:09 heh, that worked so well for OS/2 Jan 07 01:00:02 Engadget hsf a post recently about pre 2 that wasn't professional. Jan 07 01:00:10 Had Jan 07 01:00:18 Anyone saw it Jan 07 01:00:37 incase someone still cares? Jan 07 01:00:41 I am working with some people in the perl6 channel to try and get a version of perl ported to webos... hehe... this could make writing applications for webos easier than ever Jan 07 01:01:06 wow... Jan 07 01:01:22 i am actually trying to convince them to do it... who knows... i dont know who i am really talking to in there Jan 07 01:01:49 I wonder how hard it would be to get maemo stuff running on the pre Jan 07 01:02:09 since apparently webos stuff can run on the n900 Jan 07 01:02:22 the hard part with porting a language like perl or python is the user interaction code Jan 07 01:02:36 Loudergood: Yea that. Jan 07 01:02:50 actually running a subset of them isn't hard since webos is basically just Linux Jan 07 01:03:21 and so is maemo, more or less Jan 07 01:03:37 but there's no X, so opening a new card and such is completely new to languages Jan 07 01:03:42 at least as far as the pdk type apps are concerned, stuff that uses X of course.. Jan 07 01:03:56 well my hole idea is it would be easier to write applications in the same manner you did back in perl/cgi days except now it would be perl/webos no javascript... it would be as simple as making a native webos app that interacted with perl in a similar manner as a web browser and cgi script.... Jan 07 01:04:18 oh, where perl is the service's language? instead of node.js? Jan 07 01:05:32 then you could slap together some very advanced applications in a matter of minutes with some perl code and let it be ran in a html view and just use standard html for your interface.... make some modules with the pdk or something so perl has access to the phones functions???? Jan 07 01:06:42 see... development has been made overly complicated with all these hundreds of programming languages out there competing.... im just throwing my thaught out there so people who make decisions and more knowledge then me can at least think about it and do something with the ideas if it is worth it Jan 07 01:08:23 thats why i am saying just write a "native webos app" that will interact with perl.... now that same native webos app will be used to run whatever perl applications you put in a perl directory or something Jan 07 01:09:11 i think maybe i am making it overly complicated and i should probably just learn javascript... lol Jan 07 01:09:25 and learn how to do it the webos way.... Jan 07 01:11:38 javascript is actually rather powerful if you stay away from the bad things Jan 07 01:18:37 does javascript give you direct file access and system level access to the pre? Jan 07 01:18:58 Could you write a web server to run on your Palm Pre with the exsisting sdk? Jan 07 01:21:11 for 2.0, they're giving you nodejs which allows filesystem access as well as sockets and whatnot Jan 07 01:21:51 bpadalino: accessing node.js versus a normal server is just a different URL or do services have a special call method? Jan 07 01:24:05 i think services have a special call method similar to the ones mojo use to get to other services Jan 07 01:33:00 sorry got distracted Jan 07 01:33:07 Loudergood: heh, i was thinking about OS/2 when I said that! funny.. Jan 07 01:34:48 Loudergood: I think that it should be possible to run Maemo apps, was hoping to find others to work with me on that actually! Jan 07 01:35:37 Any Maemo app which doesn't use X should work already. (I got TuxPaint to work, for example) Jan 07 01:36:02 hacknperl: I'm sure just about anything can be made to run with the existing sdk, but that doesn't mean you can get it in the app catalog Jan 07 01:36:36 yeah, ajay's right, this is all in the realm of homebrew-only Jan 07 01:37:24 And maemo apps using X & qt should be workable too Jan 07 01:40:15 ajay: Uh, how are you running maemo apps? Jan 07 01:41:03 hacknperl: you could write a PDK app in perl Jan 07 01:41:12 err pdk hybrid Jan 07 01:42:25 the UI would generally need to be javascript but all the back-end code could be done in perl in whatever way you mix perl and native binary code today Jan 07 01:44:13 anyone know if palm is off vacation yet? Jan 07 01:45:09 I bet they're all getting drunk in vegas ;) Jan 07 01:51:47 destinal: ?? Jan 07 01:52:04 fahhem: Yeah they clearly are.. :) Jan 07 01:52:49 hi all Jan 07 01:53:02 destinal: The same way I run any app, throw it on the phone and did a ./tuxpaint Jan 07 01:53:52 they are on vacation or back to work? Jan 07 01:53:58 Bmyers: hello Jan 07 01:55:04 ajay: is tuxpaint an SDL app? Jan 07 01:55:39 destinal: yup! Jan 07 01:56:11 ajay: ah, so yeah, simple SDL stuff is likely to "just work" Jan 07 01:56:31 Palm bragged about how easy it was to port stuff but in many cases it's just compile and run Jan 07 01:56:41 destinal: And X/Qt stuff should work too, with an X/QT lib installed, but i haven't done that test yet.. Jan 07 01:56:48 ajay: ehhhhh Jan 07 01:57:03 ajay: yes, but you have to run an SDL X/QT or something Jan 07 01:57:35 and I guess there's one in the testing feed or something but i've never played with it Jan 07 01:58:00 anyone else here at CES? Jan 07 01:58:15 destinal: It doesn't have to be an SDL X/QT, and maybe even less than just a regular one.. Jan 07 01:58:16 HattCzech_pre, halfhalo is Jan 07 01:58:34 ...or was Jan 07 01:58:39 yeah if he hasn't migrated over to the AEE yet Jan 07 01:58:49 cool, I'll have to find him tomorrow Jan 07 01:58:54 haha, true Jan 07 01:59:29 HattCzech_pre, can you do me a favor? Jan 07 02:00:11 there's not a lot of coverage on mobile car audio... i'm super interested in any/all android stuff for mobile car audio :) you should go hunting for me! Jan 07 02:01:45 ajay: if not SDL, how are you going to make it show up visibly on the screen in Luna? Jan 07 02:02:27 sure, I can do that Jan 07 02:02:49 awesome :) thanks man Jan 07 02:03:23 I took a quick pass through the car stuff today and didn't see much, but I'll make a more thorough pass tomorrow Jan 07 02:03:32 audi had some cool stuff Jan 07 02:04:13 yeah, the car electronics stuff is kind of in a funk right now... i don't think 3rd party mfg'ers know what to do because the stock equipment in cars is getting so much better than it used to be Jan 07 02:13:33 destinal: I kinda doubt the X server available is SDL Jan 07 02:13:57 But.. now that I think about it, might be necessary to run on X or have SDL output capability in an app.. Jan 07 02:14:47 did you see the stuff that Tesla will be doing? Jan 07 02:15:34 I hope they're here. panasonic (i think it was them) had a Tesla roadster on the floor Jan 07 02:20:48 ajay: if you want your X app to display anything you need to render it to a surface that will be displayed Jan 07 02:21:00 this is what SDL is giving you in your tuxpaint Jan 07 02:21:33 now you could take the SDL patches palm made and port them to something that renders directly to a framebuffer... Jan 07 02:21:54 HattCzech_pre, no i haven't been up to speed on the tesla stuff. what's going on? Jan 07 02:21:56 but their patches make their SDL libs talk to Luna to get a card etc Jan 07 02:23:07 they're putting a 17" screen in the console of their sedan, and if I remember, it'll run android Jan 07 02:23:13 destinal: I agree with you, it would probably be necessary for the X app to run under X. X doesn't use/need SDL on Linux tho.. Jan 07 02:23:24 under/in, same thing Jan 07 02:24:03 ajay: yes but for X in luna.. Jan 07 02:24:31 ajay: you need to talk to luna and the SDL libs do that for you so they may be the easiest way to get X working, I think the ver in webos-internals testing feed does that Jan 07 02:25:44 ajay: once upon a time before SDL we had no way to have graphical native code display without killing luna Jan 07 02:26:04 except for NPAPI plugins before SDL came out, like we did with terminal Jan 07 02:27:50 mugen-: check out engadget (jan 4th 10:37am) Jan 07 02:28:15 rgr that Jan 07 02:30:09 ooo god damn Jan 07 02:31:55 holy shit... you see the fulton inductive charging for the tesla?!?! Jan 07 02:32:02 that's so slick Jan 07 02:32:38 I just read about that, I'm going to check that out tomorrow Jan 07 02:33:11 yeah, i want the low down on that :D Jan 07 02:33:51 the inductive kitchen stuff is so neat Jan 07 02:34:58 I walked by the inductive kitchen, but it was crowded, so I didn't stick around Jan 07 02:37:00 destinal: SDL apps don't talk to Luna Jan 07 02:37:15 (afaic) Jan 07 02:37:39 I'd be surprised if dtz ported a SDL X to the pre Jan 07 02:38:04 s/pre/WebOS/ Jan 07 02:38:41 Loudergood: If you're interested in getting some Maemo apps to work let me know and I'd love to collaborate with ya! (or anyone!) Jan 07 02:38:46 * Tibfib wants ps1 emu Jan 07 02:39:14 I was going to look into it after I got the WIDK up and working Jan 07 02:39:19 Tibfib, me too! FF Tactics would be awesomesauce Jan 07 02:39:27 mugen-: EXACTLY! Jan 07 02:39:34 that's the game I want it for Jan 07 02:39:37 lol Jan 07 02:39:38 one of Jan 07 02:39:52 ajay: the SDL libraries talk to Luna Jan 07 02:40:06 ajay: I could show you the lines of code if you like :) Jan 07 02:40:16 yeah... it's THE best mobile game to have on a portable device in my eyes. Jan 07 02:40:22 easy to pick up and set down Jan 07 02:40:35 mugen-: have you downloaded wesnoth? Jan 07 02:40:52 never heard of wesnoth Jan 07 02:40:58 it's on webOS Jan 07 02:41:05 tactics clone Jan 07 02:41:08 pretty dang good Jan 07 02:41:16 uh oh Jan 07 02:41:21 yeah, i'm looking now Jan 07 02:41:27 i think i may be in trouble Jan 07 02:41:32 it is open source and on mac/windows/linux Jan 07 02:41:36 iPhone Jan 07 02:41:57 has anyone ported it to webos yet? Jan 07 02:42:00 or attempting to? Jan 07 02:42:27 it is ported Jan 07 02:42:36 that's how I found out about it Jan 07 02:42:44 mugen-: wesnoth guys did a webos version Jan 07 02:43:39 heh, I was thinking about scummvm..the screen maybe be a bit small for that though Jan 07 02:43:39 sorry... tibfib i totally didn't see where you said explicitly "it's on webOS" Jan 07 02:43:44 heh Jan 07 02:43:48 heh, no worries Jan 07 02:44:11 Louder|laptop: there's a scummvm too Jan 07 02:44:14 how do the mp modes work? Jan 07 02:44:27 pretty fun? Jan 07 02:44:47 haven't tried mp Jan 07 02:44:51 yeah, pretty fun Jan 07 02:45:01 not a great story, but pretty fun game Jan 07 02:45:10 it'd be cool to get world of goo but that's not open source Jan 07 02:45:42 yeah, but that was how ogre tactics was... the story was never really the issue Jan 07 02:45:53 was just about the unit leveling and stuff :) Jan 07 02:47:21 destinal: I was thinking more about whether the X dtz ported had luna/sdl-speak in it Jan 07 02:47:57 Loudergood: cool. I started a thread in the dev forum, but feel free to email me too if you want! Jan 07 02:48:17 oops I guess I wanted Louder|laptop instead? ;^) Jan 07 02:48:56 CTLAdvance: nice tutorial :) Jan 07 02:49:39 haha that's me as well, it's ok Jan 07 02:50:09 I leave my desktop on all the time and pop in and out on my laptop when i need to Jan 07 02:56:34 ajay: ah, well at any rate since there's already an X, that'll work, it clearly makes the proper lib call that talks to luna, creates a card for it, etc. there's still some question about the hildon libraries though wrt X... Jan 07 02:56:38 for running n900 bins **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 07 02:59:58 2011