**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 09 02:59:58 2011
Jan 09 03:09:08 <SineOt> Anyone familiar with DNS? :p
Jan 09 03:11:44 <Loudergood> some what
Jan 09 03:12:12 <Loudergood> which is scary considering I'm in charge of a webserver with about 30 client websites on it
Jan 09 03:12:27 <SineOt> Ahaha.
Jan 09 03:22:58 <rsanchez1> hello
Jan 09 03:23:00 <fahhem> SineOt: what about DNS?
Jan 09 03:23:18 <linuxman410> i know this is wrong room but does anyone here use palm pre or palm pixi
Jan 09 03:23:37 <SineOt> Nuffin', bonered it hardcore so I'm just filing a support ticket for it and letting someone who knows how they've got the system set up to fix it :/
Jan 09 03:23:42 <torchie> NOPE
Jan 09 03:23:46 <SineOt> linuxman410: how is this the wrong room for that? :p
Jan 09 03:23:51 <SineOt> yes I use a Pixi
Jan 09 03:23:53 <torchie> I use windows mobile 5
Jan 09 03:24:10 <linuxman410> i did not know i thout it was palm room to go to
Jan 09 03:24:14 <fahhem> i use the pre+
Jan 09 03:24:17 <Loudergood> lovin' my blackberry pearl in here
Jan 09 03:24:21 * Tibfib uses razor
Jan 09 03:24:22 <torchie> lol
Jan 09 03:24:29 <torchie> I'm rocking a nokia 5130
Jan 09 03:24:35 <torchie> nah not really
Jan 09 03:24:37 <torchie> I wish I was though
Jan 09 03:24:40 <torchie> dream phone right there
Jan 09 03:24:45 <Loudergood> actually I just upgraded my dad to a razor..
Jan 09 03:24:50 <Tibfib> heheh
Jan 09 03:24:54 <torchie> what was he shaving with before?
Jan 09 03:25:06 <linuxman410> fahhem is the pre a good phone reason i am asking it is time for a upgrade
Jan 09 03:25:09 <rsanchez1> what would cause palm-install to just not work?
Jan 09 03:25:11 <Loudergood> I swear it might have been a ut starcom phone..
Jan 09 03:25:32 <fahhem> linuxman410: yeah, though the pre 2 is supposed to come out in the coming months
Jan 09 03:25:41 <rsanchez1> I can run palm-launch, novaterm, but for some reason palm-install just won't do anything
Jan 09 03:25:44 <fahhem> but only for verizon
Jan 09 03:25:45 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: what part doesn't work? connecting to device?
Jan 09 03:25:51 <Tibfib> oh, interesting
Jan 09 03:25:59 <rsanchez1> can't install and remove apps
Jan 09 03:26:00 <Tibfib> tried multiple packages?
Jan 09 03:26:02 <Deihmos> i wouldn't recommend a pre or pixi to anyone
Jan 09 03:26:12 <rsanchez1> let me try another package
Jan 09 03:26:32 <Tibfib> linuxman410: wait until feb 9th to decide what phone to get
Jan 09 03:26:35 <linuxman410> fahhem i am on att and can get the pixi or the pre for free right now have a bb 8310
Jan 09 03:26:47 <torchie> it's kinda crazy how quickly everyone supported disqus
Jan 09 03:26:57 <rsanchez1> I don't think it's the package, seeing how palm-install -r doesn't work either
Jan 09 03:27:07 <Tibfib> never know
Jan 09 03:27:22 <fahhem> linuxman410: it's a great phone, especially if you install some patches through preware
Jan 09 03:27:34 <rsanchez1> ok well it installed a different package...
Jan 09 03:27:40 <SineOt> linuxman410: Palm/HP is holding an event on February 9th that will probably have new phones get announced. I'd wait at least until then before making any final decisions
Jan 09 03:27:42 <fahhem> builtin functionality is great, patches make it a little more usable but not necessary
Jan 09 03:27:55 <SineOt> Personally... I'd go with the Pixi Plus just because the keyboard is that worth it :p
Jan 09 03:28:00 <torchie> oh my god yes
Jan 09 03:28:03 <torchie> SineOt you understand
Jan 09 03:28:14 <rsanchez1> must be the package...
Jan 09 03:28:17 <torchie> pixi keyboard is heaven
Jan 09 03:28:30 <torchie> why couldn't this thing have 320x480 and omap3 ;-;
Jan 09 03:28:34 <Deihmos> also has a tiny screen and extrememly slow
Jan 09 03:28:48 * Tibfib never tried pixi keyboard
Jan 09 03:28:50 <torchie> well at least it doesn't break on you every five seconds
Jan 09 03:28:52 <rsanchez1> +1 on pixi keyboard
Jan 09 03:28:59 <torchie> it's this tiny thing
Jan 09 03:29:01 <SineOt> my 80 pixels wahhh q_q
Jan 09 03:29:04 <rsanchez1> pixi keyboard should've gone on the pre
Jan 09 03:29:12 <torchie> probably tinier than treo pro's keyboard
Jan 09 03:29:14 <torchie> and
Jan 09 03:29:15 <torchie> it's
Jan 09 03:29:16 <torchie> AWESOME
Jan 09 03:29:16 <fahhem> what's the difference between the keyboards?
Jan 09 03:29:21 <torchie> it's insanely clicky and responsive
Jan 09 03:29:24 <Tibfib> anyone tried both pre2 and pixi keyboard?
Jan 09 03:29:30 <SineOt> Key shape, key size, responsiveness
Jan 09 03:29:32 <torchie> like every letter you type resonates throughout your body
Jan 09 03:29:40 <torchie> damn I want a pixi
Jan 09 03:29:43 <destinal> SineOt: 80x320 = your 25600  pixels
Jan 09 03:29:45 <SineOt> The Pixi keys have a lot of travel and give good tactile feedback
Jan 09 03:29:45 <destinal> :)
Jan 09 03:29:46 <rsanchez1> wow torchie feels pretty strongly about it
Jan 09 03:30:00 <SineOt> while the Pre keys are these like, flat things with barely any feedback
Jan 09 03:30:17 <Deihmos> the pre keys ache fingers tips after a while
Jan 09 03:30:21 <torchie> 80 pixels less = enjoy your scaled down apps and catalog fragmentation
Jan 09 03:30:23 <SineOt> I can type about 55wpm on my Pixi, on my Pre... I end up missing letters because a press that WOULD have registered on the Pixi won't
Jan 09 03:30:25 <rsanchez1> has anyone managed to transplant pixi keyboard on the pre?
Jan 09 03:30:38 <torchie> guys what if
Jan 09 03:30:44 * SineOt puts on sunglasses. "Scaled down apps? DEAL WITH IT"
Jan 09 03:30:56 <halfhalo> fail
Jan 09 03:31:03 <torchie> the pixi + pre's specs was the original pre
Jan 09 03:31:06 <torchie> would things be different now
Jan 09 03:31:18 <rsanchez1> nope
Jan 09 03:31:30 <SineOt> the pixi + pre = broadway :T
Jan 09 03:37:39 <rwhitby> Pixi is actually faster than Pre on some benchmarks.  Sprint Pixi is woefully under-memory though.
Jan 09 03:37:46 <linuxman410> fahhem do you have to have a windows computer to install preware
Jan 09 03:37:49 <rwhitby> so it's always swapping to slow flash
Jan 09 03:37:56 <rwhitby> PixiPlus does better.
Jan 09 03:38:06 <SineOt> Pixi+ has more RAM?
Jan 09 03:39:11 <rwhitby> ah, no.  but it seems to be better for some reason.  but yes, without compcache on it you're going to hit the lack of memory there too.
Jan 09 03:39:16 <linuxman410> does pixi have a minisd slot
Jan 09 03:39:45 <rwhitby> no webOS device has removable storage
Jan 09 03:40:23 <linuxman410> can you install preware without a windows computer
Jan 09 03:41:01 <rsanchez1> yeah you can install it on linux
Jan 09 03:41:08 <rsanchez1> using linux I mean
Jan 09 03:41:34 <SineOt> yeah, the Pixi + Compcache makes for a really enjoyable device
Jan 09 03:41:39 <linuxman410> cool i use linux only no windows
Jan 09 03:48:07 <SineOt> I think one of my safari ad ons has a memory leak :B
Jan 09 03:48:10 <SineOt> 5.68GB :B
Jan 09 03:52:23 <Loudergood> SineOt: come on, you know you have to blame that on the browser like all the firefox users do
Jan 09 03:53:21 <dohtem> is ares down for anyone else?
Jan 09 03:53:26 <torchie> of course the pixi decides to suck on sprint
Jan 09 03:53:31 * torchie rage
Jan 09 03:53:43 <SineOt> Pfftt, I'm using Input Managers designed for Safari 4 on Safari 5, I know where the problem is probably coming from XD
Jan 09 03:53:52 * SineOt might also have a Safari 3 Input Manager...
Jan 09 03:54:04 <rsanchez1> Loudergood: of course it's Firefox, that's why you need a 1.2GHz processor and a laptop mode for it to run on a phone
Jan 09 03:54:13 <torchie> input manager?
Jan 09 03:54:23 <rsanchez1> I mean a 1.2GHz dual-core processor
Jan 09 03:54:24 <SineOt> Don't get me started on Firefox :C
Jan 09 03:54:28 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 09 03:54:34 <torchie> firefox is that a chrome extension
Jan 09 03:54:40 <Loudergood> I didn't think prefox was that bad...a little unstable perhaps..
Jan 09 03:54:49 <SineOt> Input Managers are like, I guess the best way to put it is "take the most hacky thing you can imagine, inject code into running applications, and go hog wild"
Jan 09 03:55:06 <rsanchez1> no, the Motorolla guys know what's good for you, that's why they only allow firefox when in laptop mode
Jan 09 03:55:15 <torchie> OPENNESS
Jan 09 03:55:17 <torchie> FREEDOM
Jan 09 03:55:17 <rsanchez1> at least that's what I heard
Jan 09 03:55:29 <Loudergood> android and openness? lol
Jan 09 03:55:32 <SineOt> OGG
Jan 09 03:55:39 <SineOt> WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO ONE USES IT :B
Jan 09 03:55:48 <SineOt> ~Take back the web~
Jan 09 03:56:04 <Loudergood> I think it's fair enough that they don't want to pay license fees
Jan 09 03:56:32 <Loudergood> they should just move to france and get away with it like VLC does
Jan 09 03:56:52 <rsanchez1> lol stupid apple pulling VLC
Jan 09 03:57:06 <Tibfib> oh what happened to prefox?
Jan 09 03:57:10 <rsanchez1> if you need more proof that apple is a closed garden, you're a hopeless fanboy
Jan 09 03:57:42 <rsanchez1> I tried to run Prefox the other day, but it wouldn't even launch
Jan 09 03:58:14 <Tibfib> is the guy still working on it?
Jan 09 03:58:16 <torchie> did you read the article
Jan 09 03:58:30 <Tibfib> I read the one from 5 months ago or whatever
Jan 09 03:58:41 <rsanchez1> I think I remember reading in the forum thread that the first guy stopped working on it so some other guy picked it up
Jan 09 03:58:43 <torchie> appparently VLC's removal was all courmont's work
Jan 09 03:59:17 <rsanchez1> I remember reading there was some huge uproar over sacrificing some terms of the GPL just to get into the app store
Jan 09 03:59:43 <Tibfib> so apple pulled vlc? I thought vlc pulled it?
Jan 09 03:59:50 * Tibfib has just read article titles
Jan 09 03:59:56 <torchie> remi courmont, a nokia developer that contributed to VLC
Jan 09 03:59:58 <SineOt> VLC pulled it after requesting it get removed
Jan 09 04:00:14 <SineOt> so if that's somehow Apple's fault then ???
Jan 09 04:00:18 <JenP> hi all!!
Jan 09 04:00:23 <Tibfib> requested by apple?
Jan 09 04:00:24 <rsanchez1> meh, I just don't understand why apple won't change their ToS to make it compatible with the GPL
Jan 09 04:00:27 <Tibfib> JenP: hola
Jan 09 04:00:36 <JenP> hey Tibfib
Jan 09 04:00:36 <Tibfib> or that courmont guy?
Jan 09 04:00:53 <torchie> the problem now, though, is that random contributors  to GPL applications can make a fuss about application licensing and apple will have to remove the app that YOU distributed for free that YOU released the source code for and YOU got permission to develop
Jan 09 04:01:14 <SineOt> VLC dev: "We don't want that up there, license issues." Apple: "Okay." Internet: "FUK U APPLE WALLED GARDEN!!!"
Jan 09 04:01:27 <torchie> which wouldn't be a problem if iOS had sideloading
Jan 09 04:01:39 <rsanchez1> well apple can make it right by making their tos compatible with gpl
Jan 09 04:02:32 <Loudergood> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/11/the-vlc-ios-license-dispute-and-how-it-could-spread-to-android.ars
Jan 09 04:02:37 <torchie> nonetheless this field is closing up and it seems if I want to develop something GPL I'm stuck with android and webos
Jan 09 04:02:41 <torchie> oh yeah i meant to read that
Jan 09 04:03:06 <rsanchez1> they even allow to to register as an open source developer for webOS right?
Jan 09 04:03:10 <SineOt> Or they could just come to realize that Stallman is horribly out of touch with everything and probably shouldn't be looked to for things like the GPL cough :x
Jan 09 04:03:15 <Tibfib> rsanchez1: yep
Jan 09 04:03:29 <torchie> webos NEEDS TO CATCH ON ARGH
Jan 09 04:03:47 <torchie> it's the hero we all need :(
Jan 09 04:04:02 <rsanchez1> who doesn't browse the web by downloading files using wget?
Jan 09 04:04:07 <torchie> SineOt: you could always go MIT and X11
Jan 09 04:04:10 <torchie> don't forget lemote yeelong
Jan 09 04:04:16 <SineOt> A man who reads the internet using WGET and an email daemon: A man we should all listen to!
Jan 09 04:04:18 <Loudergood> rsanchez1: you lazy hack, telnet ftw
Jan 09 04:04:34 <SineOt> A man who eats things off his feet at conferences while up on stage: A man we should all listen to!
Jan 09 04:04:41 <torchie> okay honestly
Jan 09 04:04:45 <torchie> I'd listen to a man after that
Jan 09 04:04:49 <torchie> and I saw that video and it was glorious
Jan 09 04:04:51 <rsanchez1> I would follow him off a cliff
Jan 09 04:05:19 <SineOt> A man who bought a Chinese state designed computer just so he didn't have to use a BIOS for his own freedom: A man we should all listen to! :U
Jan 09 04:05:41 <torchie> LEMOTE YEELONG
Jan 09 04:05:57 <torchie> it's like a pokemon
Jan 09 04:06:24 <SineOt> And Firefox and H264 goes way beyond licensing fees
Jan 09 04:08:05 <SineOt> Since the MPEG-LA has come out and made H264 royalty/license fee free ~FOREVER~ as long as what you're providing it via is also free
Jan 09 04:12:31 <swstegall> AAH WHAT IS THAT?!?!
Jan 09 04:13:03 <rsanchez1> lol did you just see a ghost or something?
Jan 09 04:13:42 <dohtem> ha! it turns out this new medical office by my favorite burrito spot is giving out marijuana prescriptions
Jan 09 04:24:45 <SineOt> sounds like every medical office by every burrito spot in california XD
Jan 09 04:26:14 <SineOt> It's funny, Prop 19 didn't pass, but Arnold signed into law a bill that has basically completely decriminalized marijuana. I think it's like a 100$ civil fine for possession up to an ounce? Never even touches the criminal court system
Jan 09 04:27:28 <destinal> SineOt: cool, about time states stop wasting taxpayer dollars on people recreationally using drugs.
Jan 09 04:27:30 <swstegall> I did. :P
Jan 09 04:27:46 <destinal> SineOt: (or medicinally for that matter)
Jan 09 04:28:57 <SineOt> yeah, the fact that 19 even came close to passing says to me that it'll probably be next cycle that it finally just gets completely decriminalized in California proper
Jan 09 04:29:13 <swstegall> Hahaha my timing is terrible I meant I saw a ghost. :P
Jan 09 04:29:17 <SineOt> 19 would have allowed anyone over I think 21 to possess and grow up to 3 plants for personal use
Jan 09 04:29:25 <SineOt> was it a WEED GHOST?
Jan 09 04:36:07 <swstegall> Yes. It wanted my cookies and junk.
Jan 09 04:39:01 <SineOt> a case of the ghost munchies, terrible
Jan 09 04:40:30 <swstegall> I know right?
Jan 09 04:42:10 <dohtem> yeah, its almost a joke in Cali now.  At the post election rally in Oakland, prop 19 supporters were openly smoking
Jan 09 04:48:50 <torchie> fuiut
Jan 09 04:56:28 <swstegall> That's exciting.
Jan 09 05:09:50 <bpadalino> i had a good conversation about android, iphone and webos with a colleague over lunch on friday .. it's frustrating how the potential for webos is there, but still can't seem to be realized .. i'm looking forward to february
Jan 09 05:10:54 <Tibfib> so reading up on mysql docs, it says "The primary index of a table should be as short as possible. This makes identification of each row easy and efficient.".. so what is more efficient having id column with integer
Jan 09 05:11:22 <Tibfib> or having a column with a md5 hash as primary index?
Jan 09 05:11:33 <Tibfib> and then not having the id column
Jan 09 05:13:17 <Tibfib> and what else is better having a column for a json object that could be a max of 1000 chars, or having multiple columns ?
Jan 09 05:17:22 <kesne> Tibfib:
Jan 09 05:17:31 <Tibfib> yes ?
Jan 09 05:18:23 <kesne> You rang?
Jan 09 05:18:25 <kesne> Earlier
Jan 09 05:18:34 <Tibfib> oh yeah.. I think I've decided not to run with villo
Jan 09 05:20:05 <kesne> Haha
Jan 09 05:20:07 <kesne> Already?
Jan 09 05:20:38 <Tibfib> yeah.. unless you can entice me with something
Jan 09 05:20:49 <Tibfib> what's your timeframe for release?
Jan 09 05:21:14 <kesne> Depends
Jan 09 05:21:18 <kesne> When do you want it to be?
Jan 09 05:21:27 <kesne> We can be ready whenever you want us to be
Jan 09 05:21:28 <Tibfib> noo. the more I think the more I realize it won't work
Jan 09 05:21:41 <kesne> Haha
Jan 09 05:21:44 <kesne> Any reason why?
Jan 09 05:21:45 <halfhalo> dundundun....
Jan 09 05:21:53 <Tibfib> I've figured out a decent solution
Jan 09 05:21:59 <kesne> Ah
Jan 09 05:22:03 <Tibfib> I need to use my sql db for it
Jan 09 05:22:21 <Tibfib> because I need to store the push messages
Jan 09 05:22:32 <halfhalo> mongodb ftw
Jan 09 05:22:41 <kesne> You can store messages
Jan 09 05:22:45 <kesne> Villo doesn't stop you
Jan 09 05:22:47 <Tibfib> halfhalo: shoot. If you set it upp...
Jan 09 05:23:05 <Tibfib> kesne: is push setup in villo?
Jan 09 05:23:10 <kesne> Yeah
Jan 09 05:23:15 <Tibfib> wanna send it over?
Jan 09 05:26:59 <halfhalo> lulz @ me doing work
Jan 09 05:28:12 <Tibfib> halfhalo: thought so :P
Jan 09 05:28:16 <halfhalo> that makes me laugh
Jan 09 06:02:23 <mugen-> pretty quiet night, huh?
Jan 09 06:04:34 <fahhem_pre> I guess
Jan 09 06:08:20 <mugen-> what've you got going on
Jan 09 06:08:21 <mugen-> ?
Jan 09 06:18:08 <fahhem_pre> Waiting to get into the 2.0 sdk
Jan 09 06:20:51 <mugen-> that's a simple email, right?
Jan 09 06:23:11 <fahhem_pre> To apply, not to get in
Jan 09 06:23:33 <fahhem_pre> Though I guess when I do get in, I can't say I'm in so...
Jan 09 06:32:10 <mugen-> what do you mean?
Jan 09 06:59:49 <fahhem_pre> You email to get in, they have to accept you. And then you're covered by an nda so you can't say anything you learned from the early access stuff
Jan 09 07:05:38 <halfhalo> first rule of EA: never talk about EA
Jan 09 09:03:17 <mugen-> anyone know if webos can do 3d webkit transforms?
Jan 09 16:17:11 <halfhalo> miami
Jan 09 16:24:36 <swisstomcat> orlando
Jan 09 16:24:49 <hotdp> odense
Jan 09 16:25:07 <halfhalo> fluffy kitty
Jan 09 16:27:18 <halfhalo> 38 minutes till last meeting then home time
Jan 09 16:29:04 <halfhalo> dundunDUN
Jan 09 16:43:18 <swisstomcat> meeting? on sunday?
Jan 09 16:46:46 <halfhalo> yeah
Jan 09 16:46:49 <halfhalo> at ces
Jan 09 17:11:29 <rasstar> Palm hasn't announced anything at CES? Are they even there?
Jan 09 17:14:43 <bpadalino> feb 9th they are going to have a webos event ..
Jan 09 17:14:56 <bpadalino> and subsequently show everything off at MWC in spain most likely
Jan 09 17:15:09 <sugardave> those bastards
Jan 09 17:15:17 <sugardave> I mean
Jan 09 17:15:19 <sugardave> yay!
Jan 09 17:18:46 <bpadalino> CES was never on their "events" list on the dev page .. but MWC was - so i am surprised people thought CES would be any big announcement
Jan 09 17:20:26 <Loudergood> well, it's not exactly a developer event
Jan 09 17:20:51 <sugardave> consumer electronics...everyone wants to see the tablet
Jan 09 17:21:18 <Loudergood> I've realized I don't need a tablet
Jan 09 17:21:27 <sugardave> I don't NEED one either
Jan 09 17:21:29 <sugardave> bite your tongue
Jan 09 17:22:19 <Loudergood> right...it's not going to replace my laptop or my phone, or my e-ink reader...and it can't do anything that they can't do..
Jan 09 17:22:26 <Loudergood> still...cool toy
Jan 09 17:22:58 <rasstar> Palm is going to have a hard time selling a tablet with the current state of the app catalog
Jan 09 17:25:19 <sugardave> I don't have an e-reader so I can get that new funcitonality
Jan 09 17:25:36 <sugardave> it's all about having the actual hardware for dev, for me
Jan 09 17:25:49 <Loudergood> well, yeah there's that too
Jan 09 17:26:29 <Loudergood> if I ever finish these papers that I'm procrastinating so I have time to dev
Jan 09 17:26:49 <sugardave> dev is the PERFECT procrastination device
Jan 09 19:34:33 <swisstomcat> i'm going to be at MWC
Jan 09 19:34:45 <swisstomcat> HP sponsored a ticket
Jan 09 19:36:17 <hotdp> altso flight?
Jan 09 19:36:21 <swisstomcat> nope
Jan 09 19:36:25 <swisstomcat> just the mwc ticket
Jan 09 19:36:37 <hotdp> ok
Jan 09 19:44:34 <halfhalo> nice
Jan 09 20:00:33 <leiru> grats swisstomcat
Jan 09 20:00:42 <swisstomcat> thx
Jan 09 20:01:01 <swisstomcat> i signed up on the developer.palm.com website
Jan 09 20:02:14 <leiru> my company will pay me "froscon 2011" travel, booking and hotel
Jan 09 20:02:26 <leiru> smo. there?
Jan 09 20:02:36 <leiru> http://www.froscon.de/
Jan 09 20:02:58 <leiru> or better (en): http://www.froscon.de/index.php?id=15&L=1&no_cache=1
Jan 09 23:35:52 <Tibfib> http://uxmyths.com/
Jan 09 23:38:07 <funkatron> zip
Jan 09 23:41:40 <SineOt> man, is it sad that I know most of the stuff on that site Tibfib :<
Jan 09 23:42:07 <Tibfib> it's said only if your apps suck :)
Jan 09 23:42:10 <Tibfib> sad*
Jan 09 23:43:01 <SineOt> I don't know, I don't -think- my remote sucks :p
Jan 09 23:43:34 <Tibfib> hah, from screenshots it seems to look good
Jan 09 23:43:40 <SineOt> It's got 4.5 stars from 3 reviews!
Jan 09 23:43:59 <SineOt> Just waiting on Palm to push my update. :B
Jan 09 23:44:09 <Tibfib> thats good.. its super hard to get a 5star rating
Jan 09 23:45:31 <SineOt> Yeah... I'm hoping it keeps up after I move to the app catalog proper from the Beta feeds
Jan 09 23:45:36 <Tibfib> holy cow "On BestBuy.com, the small change of allowing people to skip sign-up during checkout resulted in $300 million extra revenue per year."
Jan 09 23:45:52 <SineOt> But it should, I hope. It does everything that's been requested
Jan 09 23:46:03 <Tibfib> nice
Jan 09 23:46:13 <SineOt> Yeah if there's one thing that people hate it's having to sign up to view content
Jan 09 23:47:37 <SineOt> I argued this sort of stuff for months, then... The site tanked :6
Jan 10 00:14:16 <dohtem> Tibfib: http://uxmyths.com/post/2059998441/myth-28-white-space-is-wasted-space - so true
Jan 10 00:15:07 <mDavs> Hey guys does anyone know if there is a way to get something like the updateInterval attribute of sliders for Textfield Widgets? I want to be able to call a handler while the user is typing
Jan 10 00:24:30 <JenP> hi all
Jan 10 00:29:27 <mDavs> hey
Jan 10 00:29:46 <JenP> hi
Jan 10 01:18:20 <Tibfib> this one is interesting http://uxmyths.com/post/746610684/myth-21-people-can-tell-you-what-they-want
Jan 10 01:21:55 <destinal> Tibfib: "There’s a lot of research out there suggesting you have no idea why you act or think the way you do"  -- very true
Jan 10 01:22:24 <Tibfib> yeah, these are interesting myths. I'm glad I'm reading them :)
Jan 10 02:44:59 <Tibfib> sheesh there are a lot of german devs on that map
Jan 10 02:50:25 <linuxman410> just ordered the palm pre plus cannot wait to get it
Jan 10 02:51:17 <mDavis2> Does anyone know how to set the value of a textfield to 0, any other number or string works but when i set value = 0 nothing shows up
Jan 10 02:52:26 <linuxman410> is the palm pre plus a pretty good phone
Jan 10 02:53:09 <bpadalino> sure .. how much did you pay for the pre plus .. and any reason you didn't want to go with a pr2 ?
Jan 10 02:53:10 <bpadalino> pre2 ?
Jan 10 02:53:51 <linuxman410> pre plus was offer to me as a free upgrade they did not have pre 2
Jan 10 02:54:08 <Loudergood> upgrade from?
Jan 10 02:54:20 <linuxman410> blackberry 8310
Jan 10 02:54:32 <bpadalino> ah gotcha
Jan 10 02:54:41 <bpadalino> well if you're a linux man .. then you should have fun with it
Jan 10 02:54:49 <Tibfib> mDavis2: does doing "0" work?
Jan 10 02:54:53 <Tibfib> or is that what you're doing?
Jan 10 02:55:01 <linuxman410> i only  use linux
Jan 10 02:55:04 <bpadalino> linuxman410: if you want, you can read up here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page
Jan 10 02:55:39 <bpadalino> and feel free to join #webos-internals if you have questions about what is there
Jan 10 02:55:46 <bpadalino> if you like to tinker, it's a fun phone
Jan 10 02:55:58 <bpadalino> if you want everything to work the way you want it out of the box, you may feel frustrated
Jan 10 02:55:59 <mDavis2> Tibfib: either way, 0 or "0" doesnt work, and when I type 0 is just automatically abckspaces
Jan 10 02:56:08 <Tibfib> weird
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