**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 10 02:59:58 2011 Jan 10 03:00:13 this blackberry bridge mode for the playbook sounds like the foleo stuff palm tried to do ... wtf Jan 10 03:02:47 any palm guys online? Jan 10 03:03:09 doesn't seem like it right now Jan 10 03:03:25 I don't think they usually work this late on sundays ;) Jan 10 03:03:33 right, so they get on irc !! Jan 10 03:10:08 JayCanuck: hey! Jan 10 03:10:17 hi destinal :) Jan 10 03:10:36 long time.. how's life treatin' ya? Jan 10 03:12:10 when 2.0 was confirmed to finally kill Java, I thought of your homebrew stuff. Are you working on bundling up a JVM to port your old services or redoing them in node.js and/or C? Jan 10 03:25:07 JayCanuck: are the precentral feeds through to Preware all good now as far as you can see? Jan 10 03:25:33 haven't checked Jan 10 03:25:37 just a sec Jan 10 03:26:09 last thing they fixed were the dates Jan 10 03:26:23 and I double checked the generation of all the feeds last night Jan 10 03:32:08 * halfhalo has an excuse to use his usb 3.0 flash drive! Jan 10 03:32:36 superspeed Jan 10 03:40:05 it twas free Jan 10 03:40:13 and 16GB Jan 10 03:40:15 and I have two Jan 10 03:41:03 nice Jan 10 03:41:20 and like 8 4GB drives now Jan 10 03:41:35 RAID them together Jan 10 03:42:19 effort! Jan 10 04:01:14 man the BB Playbook just got like... Way lamer Jan 10 04:01:27 ? Jan 10 04:01:29 you mean the bb foleo ? Jan 10 04:01:33 Yeah Jan 10 04:02:09 No Messaging/Calendar/Email unless you have a BB? stupid stupid Jan 10 04:03:09 the motorola atrix docking stuff was interesting to see .. Jan 10 04:03:17 yupyup Jan 10 04:03:22 was fun to play with Jan 10 04:03:28 lol yeah, way to kneecap your hardware RIM Jan 10 04:04:23 it went from "Hey that's pretty cool!" to "What, I need a BB to get everything out of a completely separate device? What the hell" Jan 10 04:05:22 yeah, bad move Jan 10 04:05:22 SineOt: the engineers build it, then the suits improve upon it. Jan 10 04:06:22 Have they said anything about battery life yet? Jan 10 04:13:42 SineOt: you need a BB account to use Messaging/Calendar/Email on a PlayBook? Jan 10 04:13:52 No, you need a blackberry Jan 10 04:13:57 the tablet doesn't handle any of that Jan 10 04:14:03 it offloads it to your tethered Blackberry Jan 10 04:14:25 Via something called "Blackberry Bridge" Jan 10 04:15:42 http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/blackberry-bridge-for-playbook-tablet-preview-video/ - video there Jan 10 04:16:22 I wonder if it's bluetooth or a "proprietary" usb cable Jan 10 04:16:34 they say bt in the video Jan 10 04:16:48 ah, I've never really used bluetooth... Jan 10 04:17:02 Bluetooth is awesome. Jan 10 04:17:05 Unless it sucks. Jan 10 04:17:09 Which sometimes it does. Jan 10 04:17:51 oh bluetooth, how you fib about range Jan 10 04:18:00 never had a really effective use for it in my life so far Jan 10 04:18:06 it says 10 meters, but in any real scenario i've only gotten 10 feet (3m) Jan 10 04:18:13 maybe if I get a bluetooth capable radio for the car Jan 10 04:18:18 the Wii uses bluetooth for its controllers Jan 10 04:18:19 that'd go well with my touchstone Jan 10 04:18:32 yeah you're right I'd forgotton Jan 10 04:18:40 so I do use it Jan 10 04:18:49 Bluetooth range depends on the receiver a lot Jan 10 04:18:54 pairing can be a huge pain in the ass there Jan 10 04:19:13 But the biggest issue is well, shitty profile support on some devices Jan 10 04:19:24 my mouse and multimedia remote are both 2.4 and not bt Jan 10 04:19:30 I had a phone that supported OBEX, but what they didn't say? Jan 10 04:19:38 yeah, there are a bunch of useful profiles for phones, but most of them support the useless ones only Jan 10 04:19:46 Well only SOME things over OBEX. Namely only vCards. Jan 10 04:19:49 verizon liked to screw that up a lot Jan 10 04:19:58 But any device you connected to, would see it as full OBEX. Jan 10 04:20:34 webOS does a few of them right. Jan 10 04:21:12 AVRC is nice. I think it's AVRC. Jan 10 04:21:34 AVRCP, that's it Jan 10 04:22:52 yeah, though the first time i used my pre to connect to my headset/headphones, it overpowered my laptop and took over both uses Jan 10 04:23:05 and there's no real way to say "no, just use it as a headset, not avrcp" Jan 10 04:23:17 Oh, yeah. That sucks Jan 10 04:23:39 i got it to work later, but for a few weeks i assumed it was all or nothing Jan 10 04:24:19 I don't even know if OSX 10.6 ships with an AVRCP profile Jan 10 04:25:18 fahhem: did you ever figure out how you fixed that libtool error? Jan 10 04:27:00 someone added a workaround to the wiki, but it's a bit on the crude side Jan 10 04:28:15 oh, no, my computer is off till i get back on the 12th Jan 10 04:28:23 lemme see what they did Jan 10 04:28:43 what fix? Jan 10 04:28:50 it's at the end of the wiki article under the title fuse Jan 10 04:28:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#fuse Jan 10 04:29:24 yeah, that's not what i did at all Jan 10 04:30:07 the 12th eh? I've got papers to write this week so it's probably best that I wait anyway Jan 10 04:30:27 but no rush, I don't expect you to get back and jump on top of it Jan 10 04:31:11 yeah, i'm at home, gotta go back to berkeley to setup my desktop again Jan 10 04:31:33 i wish i could remember, i spent hours looking at ways to fix it Jan 10 04:36:31 I can't for the life of me figure out why I am getting this error "error: Error: Cannot call method 'getLength' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined." It happens when I try to use noticeAddedItems. NoticedUpdatedItems works fine though... Jan 10 04:37:07 Ok my bad forget the getLength thing. I was just testing with something. But I get that same error when I use noticedAddedItems Jan 10 04:37:16 Any ideas? Jan 10 04:37:29 you said noticeAddedItems both times Jan 10 04:37:49 does noticedUpdatedItems work? Jan 10 04:38:30 seems something that's supposed to act like an Array isn't? Jan 10 04:38:30 Yes Jan 10 04:38:41 noticeUpdatedItems updates the whole list at once Jan 10 04:38:43 what is this for? Jan 10 04:38:45 and that works fine Jan 10 04:38:52 It's for a simple list that I just want to add 1 thing at a time Jan 10 04:39:16 twbbas: not necessarily Jan 10 04:39:17 oh, maybe you're inserting an item instead of a 1-length Array of that item Jan 10 04:39:26 Correct Jan 10 04:39:46 yeah, you should be pushing an Array of that item, just put [] around it and it should work Jan 10 04:39:58 I believe I'm already doing that Jan 10 04:40:01 I'll paste the line Jan 10 04:40:39 this.controller.get("myList").mojo.noticedAddedItems(0, [{name: "testing"}]); Jan 10 04:40:48 name is the variable in the html file Jan 10 04:41:31 I've never had this problem before in my previous lists. Jan 10 04:43:15 it seems you shouldn't be putting 0 there Jan 10 04:43:39 oh, nvm, you're adding it to the top Jan 10 04:44:08 Yeah Jan 10 04:44:15 It gives me that error not matter where I add it Jan 10 04:44:18 no matter* Jan 10 04:46:00 try noticedAddedItems(0, new Array({name: "testing"})); ? Jan 10 04:46:08 should be the same thing... Jan 10 04:49:12 Same error Jan 10 04:50:20 try it when your list is empty Jan 10 04:50:38 it could be a problem with getting the length of your list Jan 10 04:51:01 ugh... still says undefined Jan 10 04:53:07 are you doing it at the 0 index every time? or have you tried others? Jan 10 04:53:32 I've tried others and they all give the same error Jan 10 04:53:37 weird Jan 10 04:54:00 if I were you, I'd look at the list source code and find where that error shows up and the cause Jan 10 04:54:26 you cold also use the standalone ares debugger: http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Jan 10 04:54:39 That works for eclipse apps too? Jan 10 04:54:54 doesn't matter Jan 10 04:54:59 works for any app Jan 10 04:55:02 it runs off the emu/connected device Jan 10 04:55:02 Alright thanks. I'll play around with that Jan 10 04:57:26 * Tibfib goes to bed Jan 10 07:09:56 Does anyone why the mojo slider when its current value is assigned to 0, it just stores as its value Jan 10 07:10:04 '' as its value* Jan 10 12:45:56 afternoon Jan 10 12:46:06 hey Jan 10 12:48:16 what's new? Jan 10 12:48:28 started on the mobile development Jan 10 12:48:43 sencha + MVC +test = lots of work Jan 10 12:48:49 yeah Jan 10 12:48:58 we'll start this week as well Jan 10 12:49:09 its hard to learn a new language Jan 10 12:50:16 there is no one to ask :S Jan 10 12:50:24 sencha? Jan 10 12:50:41 about the combination Jan 10 12:51:09 what's mvc? Jan 10 12:51:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93View%E2%80%93Controller Jan 10 12:51:29 basic framwork Jan 10 12:51:33 framework Jan 10 12:51:42 i think it was the first i learned in school Jan 10 12:52:08 a, as a programming paradigm Jan 10 12:52:10 not a product? Jan 10 12:52:15 correct Jan 10 12:52:18 mojo is mwc too Jan 10 12:52:40 in a way yes Jan 10 12:52:54 but its up to the programmer to program after it Jan 10 12:53:06 the "problem" is that i only now JS in a simple way Jan 10 12:53:08 small methods Jan 10 12:53:23 now i have to use it as a complete framework Jan 10 13:53:01 yeah, big step Jan 10 13:55:47 Okay Jan 10 13:55:49 so the plan is Jan 10 13:55:58 wait a month for everyone to forget about us Jan 10 13:56:06 and then have a big event! Jan 10 13:56:15 correct Jan 10 13:56:21 yup Jan 10 13:56:26 the big comeback Jan 10 13:56:45 boom Jan 10 13:56:47 well Jan 10 13:57:02 admittedly, it may happen in a downturn in news Jan 10 13:57:14 unless iPad Dos is announced Feb 8 Jan 10 13:57:24 yeah, better than during CES (flood of tablets9 Jan 10 13:57:49 but it had better make me a grilled cheese Jan 10 13:58:05 funkatron i think the chances for that is large Jan 10 13:58:19 two palm pads Jan 10 13:58:23 overclocked Jan 10 13:58:32 = 1 george foreman grill Jan 10 13:59:38 did you see that the playbook uses a TI proc? (dual-core) Jan 10 13:59:59 * hotdp thinks the PalmPad will have the same cpu Jan 10 14:00:10 I did Jan 10 14:00:16 but from what I heard, no GPU accel Jan 10 14:00:26 that was coming from a JS dev Jan 10 14:00:36 so maybe the flash shit uses the GPU Jan 10 14:07:28 anyway, I call shenannigans. Jan 10 15:13:21 playing around with jquery mobile today Jan 10 15:13:36 swisstomcat: would be interested to see how it works on webOS Jan 10 15:13:54 when I loaded the current demos on the site, it was pretty bad in the webOS browser (this is on 2.0) Jan 10 15:13:57 yeah, having some troubles Jan 10 15:14:10 i want to use it instead of Mojo .. not in the browser Jan 10 15:14:23 but all i get is a white screen at the moment Jan 10 15:14:25 but, it's in alpha. I suspect they have not optimized for all platforms Jan 10 15:14:30 oh Jan 10 15:14:31 well Jan 10 15:14:38 there might be a tip I found about that thing Jan 10 15:14:40 palm is a sponsor Jan 10 15:14:52 so i expect they're working on it Jan 10 15:14:58 this is a tutorial for Jo, but Jan 10 15:14:59 http://thinmachine.ch/wordpress/?p=64 Jan 10 15:15:07 :D Jan 10 15:15:10 you know what? Jan 10 15:15:12 check the last line of code: Jan 10 15:15:13 f (window.PalmSystem) { Jan 10 15:15:14 window.PalmSystem.stageReady(); Jan 10 15:15:14 } Jan 10 15:15:18 err, f = if Jan 10 15:15:23 that's my tutorial ;) Jan 10 15:15:25 hahahah Jan 10 15:15:32 well then YOU'D know Jan 10 15:15:33 8D Jan 10 15:15:42 yeah, i've already added that part Jan 10 15:15:56 then I def wanna hear what you have to say, since you've worked with Jo on there Jan 10 15:16:43 jquery mobile is nice Jan 10 15:16:45 so is jo Jan 10 15:17:29 hope we'll be able to play with enyo soon Jan 10 15:17:32 yeah Jan 10 15:17:35 pretty anxious for that Jan 10 15:17:49 enyo looks like a mix of jo and dojo Jan 10 15:17:51 I'm working on porting desktop to titanium, and being able to debug in webkit inspector is just huge Jan 10 15:18:02 which makes sense, since dave balmer (jo) and many dojo people are on the team Jan 10 15:18:05 Ares Debug is nice, but it's not as nice Jan 10 15:18:09 right, yeah Jan 10 15:19:01 yeah, in-browser dev and testing is nice Jan 10 15:19:07 with all the tools Jan 10 15:19:24 there you go Jan 10 15:19:26 now it works Jan 10 15:19:40 (except the images) Jan 10 15:20:27 i can send you the test project if you want to play around Jan 10 15:25:27 that would be cool. Jan 10 15:25:44 or gist/github it up or something Jan 10 15:27:19 I have a simple app idea I want to try to get on several platforms as a learning exercise Jan 10 15:30:43 pm me your email and i'll send you a zip Jan 10 15:30:55 at the moment, it fails with Jan 10 15:30:58 error: Not allowed to load local resource: file://.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.inorbit.test/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.inorbit.test/img/audioLogo.jpg Jan 10 15:31:05 strange Jan 10 15:37:52 maybe because i'm not using mojo? Jan 10 15:56:20 * haeffb_pre looking at this htc evo shift 4g Jan 10 16:07:34 hrmmm Jan 10 16:50:45 hmmm, anyone paying attention to the motorola atrix? Jan 10 16:59:09 it's cool.. .but Idk see the point Jan 10 16:59:18 heh. I don't see* Jan 10 17:01:10 I think that it could be better if it weren't such a limited and locked down OS when the phone is docked. Jan 10 17:02:18 yeah.. I just feel like the price will be ridiculous.. Jan 10 17:02:43 the phone itself is cool.. I can't see myself using any of the docking stuff Jan 10 17:04:53 If I had docks at work and home and it was an iPhone that docked to a fully capable OS X then I could see myself using it. Jan 10 17:05:50 It would also be cool with a win phone 7 that docks into a full Windows 7. Jan 10 17:06:14 yeah that'd be cool Jan 10 17:15:04 Have you seen that lenovo tablet combo Jan 10 17:15:15 android honeycomb, until you dock it, then its win7 Jan 10 17:29:28 what's the point for having the same device but different OS and apps on mobile or docked Jan 10 17:29:47 then I could also stay with my separate mobile device Jan 10 17:31:52 there is a big point actuallyu Jan 10 17:32:05 which one? Jan 10 17:32:08 you have your touch friendly tablet apps, then you have your pc required apps Jan 10 17:32:18 and? they aren't the same Jan 10 17:32:25 the OS is completly different Jan 10 17:32:37 not usually, almost all android apps are for light lifting Jan 10 17:32:41 not full pc replacements Jan 10 17:32:46 on my PC I use a IDE, maybe an office Jan 10 17:33:09 on my Pre I use Comics, MapTool, Email, and some news reader Jan 10 17:33:12 and twitter Jan 10 17:33:21 all I am saying is there are some people who have apps on pc which arent built well on a computer Jan 10 17:33:29 wouldn't use any of them (except email) on my laptop Jan 10 17:33:30 sorry Jan 10 17:33:32 on a tablet Jan 10 17:33:53 right Jan 10 17:33:58 so you have two sets of apps you use Jan 10 17:34:18 thats all this is doing and getting one device Jan 10 17:34:35 though I prefer having one w7 tablet with a dock Jan 10 17:34:51 I think acer launched a tablet with a Core i5 and 6-7 hours battery life Jan 10 17:35:05 thins sounds good Jan 10 17:35:11 6-7 hours bat life Jan 10 17:38:49 Yeah using new mobile processors from intel, and an ssd Jan 10 17:39:10 I am not sure why someone doesnt just make a nice metro styled ui to lay over win7 if no mouse is detected Jan 10 17:39:38 MS needs an app store for apps certified to work with touch Jan 10 17:39:48 that would solve the app issue everyone uses in arguements Jan 10 17:40:16 The UI touch implementation is great, its lazy devs who dont implement it causing the issue Jan 10 17:40:21 implement the api Jan 10 17:41:22 chuqui: is the transition from "Submitted" to "Ready to review" a manual process nowadays? Jan 10 17:43:40 Hi to Goteborg Jan 10 17:47:16 MetaView i normaly changes instantly? Jan 10 17:52:01 MetaView: sorta. they're chasing a gremlin. Jan 10 17:52:29 1 update, 1 new yesterday, and still in Submitted Jan 10 17:52:46 MetaView: send an email t pdc with the info, I'll send it to be looked at. Jan 10 17:54:10 does the latest palmcast sound like crap to anyone else? Jan 10 17:54:38 the audio keeps going in and out Jan 10 17:55:14 ohh. I think I know the issue Jan 10 18:23:45 chuqui: ok, will do Jan 10 18:24:28 chuqui: your reply to the PDK Hot Apps thread is a mistery for me Jan 10 18:24:55 even "mystery" Jan 10 18:25:35 MetaView: why? Jan 10 18:25:53 why should one single person send you an email? Jan 10 18:26:09 None got the price yet, at least, that's what I think Jan 10 18:26:53 so I can connect people who are still wiating with the group trying to do it, so I can put some encouragement on them to send out status updates. Jan 10 18:26:59 or maybe i misunderstood it Jan 10 18:27:25 ok, do you want an email from anyone waiting :) Jan 10 18:28:09 I'd be happy with emails from everyone waiting.. heh Jan 10 18:28:32 ok Jan 10 19:03:10 I'm having a weird problem with my pre, wondering if anyone can help Jan 10 19:03:42 whenever I try to mv/cp/touch from the command line via novaterm, it tells me: Read-only file system Jan 10 19:04:13 I don't remember doing anything that would make it read-only, so how can I fix it? Jan 10 19:05:19 I thought the OS filesystem was readonly by default? Jan 10 19:05:44 is it? this only just started happening to me Jan 10 19:05:44 or was that only for apps Jan 10 19:05:54 before I could cp/mv/touch just fine Jan 10 19:06:05 tried a reboot? Jan 10 19:06:26 actually it only started happening after I just rebooted my phone because of another error Jan 10 19:07:07 I copied a directory, and then whenever I tried to access the directory, it would tell me this (for example): ls:./dir: Input/Output Error Jan 10 19:07:20 so I thought a reboot would help that, but it only made things worse Jan 10 19:07:51 even before that, when I tried copying directories, some files in the given directories would randomly be copied blank Jan 10 19:07:59 you could see the file names, but they would be empty Jan 10 19:08:38 rsanchez1 its read only by default, you will have to remount it as read/write Jan 10 19:09:00 ok, how do I do that? Jan 10 19:09:06 never remember having to do it Jan 10 19:11:08 let see Jan 10 19:11:33 I think its Jan 10 19:11:38 mount -o remount,rw / Jan 10 19:11:38 Jan 10 19:11:38 Jan 10 19:11:54 ok, I'll try it Jan 10 19:12:21 as far as I know, weve always had to do this to write to the main root system Jan 10 19:12:41 I'm only trying to write to /media/internal Jan 10 19:13:03 and mount -o remount,rw / did not work Jan 10 19:28:44 anyone have any other ideas on how to fix this? Jan 10 19:30:35 even trying to copy files from my computer to the phone in USB mode tells me that the Pre is read-only Jan 10 19:32:25 maybe try mount -o remount,rw /media/internal Jan 10 19:32:44 also check your fstab? Jan 10 19:35:52 mount -o remount,rw /media/internal also didn't help Jan 10 19:35:58 and how can I check my fstab?? Jan 10 19:47:19 palm-install is also not working for me now Jan 10 19:49:00 maybe you need to run chkdsc Jan 10 19:49:08 chkdisc ;) Jan 10 19:49:58 the logs might tell you, why the devices are mounted read only Jan 10 19:50:08 does remount gives an error? Jan 10 19:50:23 no remount doesn't give any errors Jan 10 19:52:06 what does ls -l /media show? Jan 10 19:53:56 shows me this: http://webos.pastebin.com/DeV3jUDW Jan 10 20:01:48 looks like on my Pre Jan 10 20:02:20 maybe he needs to run fsck Jan 10 20:02:29 checkdisc, right Jan 10 20:04:57 how can I run fsck Jan 10 20:05:19 novaterm? Jan 10 20:06:00 it tells me: WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Jan 10 20:07:46 what partition are you running it on? Jan 10 20:09:03 I'm not really sure, I guess the partition that is mounted when you use novaterm Jan 10 20:10:49 rsanchez1: yeah you want to unmount a disk before fscking it Jan 10 20:11:07 rsanchez1: you can always boot the installer image and fsck that way Jan 10 20:17:59 * leiru searches arthurthornten Jan 10 20:24:27 ok, so after I boot the installer image and the phone finishes booting, then I just type fsck in novaterm? Jan 10 20:41:06 would doctoring the phone fix the issue? Jan 10 20:45:20 rsanchez1: lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure; lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure Jan 10 20:46:11 fsck /dev/mapper/store-var or fsck /dev/mapper/store-root Jan 10 20:46:14 for instance Jan 10 20:50:21 hold on, something weird just happened Jan 10 20:53:41 ok, so I disconnected the usb cable, and when the screen turned back on, it told me something about some data being lost, and to disconnect from the computer before disconnecting the usb cable Jan 10 20:53:45 and everything seems to work fine now Jan 10 20:55:08 oh well, in any case thank you very much for your assistance everyone who helped! Jan 10 21:01:38 rsanchez1: you had the usb cable plugged all the time? Jan 10 21:02:00 no, I unplugged it a few times, only this last time it showed that message Jan 10 21:02:10 you had drive mode on before and used "eject" to remove the Pre? Jan 10 21:02:14 ok Jan 10 21:02:21 then forget it Jan 10 21:02:24 yeah I always use eject to remove it Jan 10 21:02:33 just one of those random problems I guess Jan 10 21:02:56 on my WinXP is not the same like remove drive Jan 10 21:03:27 when I use eject, the Pre lights on but it's still connected Jan 10 21:04:00 I was using USB mode on ubuntu, and it gives you two options: Eject and Safely Remove Drive Jan 10 21:04:17 eject has always safely removed it before Jan 10 21:04:30 http://glyphish.com/ Jan 10 21:04:33 ok, on my winXP it doesn't Jan 10 21:05:05 leiru: yeah, Adora wrote a tweet about it :) Jan 10 21:18:40 der_steef too, in summer. but forgot the link already. Jan 10 23:01:50 o\ Jan 10 23:13:25 kinda quiet today Jan 10 23:27:51 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Jan 10 23:27:56 better? Jan 10 23:28:15 lol Jan 10 23:28:53 can anyone tell me if 3d transforms are available in webos 1.4.5 and 2.0? Jan 10 23:29:06 css3 basically... Jan 10 23:29:51 If I remember correctly, it's limited support. Jan 10 23:30:49 blah Jan 10 23:31:15 And I don't think there's much difference between webkit in 1.4.5 & 2.0 Jan 10 23:32:45 When I tested a few weeks ago, I think my Pre 1 (1.4.?) & Pre 2 (2.0) scored the same on the Acid3 test Jan 10 23:32:54 if wp7 has better css3 support in it's browser, i'm gonna be pissed >:( Jan 10 23:32:59 CTLAdvance: you around man? Jan 10 23:33:11 dgathright: crap :( Jan 11 00:54:47 mugen Jan 11 01:35:13 * coj hums "haters gonna hate" Jan 11 01:43:51 whoopsie Jan 11 01:46:30 http://mystuffspace.com/graphic/no-haters.gif Jan 11 01:47:12 Lol Jan 11 01:50:01 * halfhalo strums air guitar Jan 11 01:51:43 * dohtem plays imaginary drums Jan 11 01:52:52 * oil hits mute button Jan 11 01:56:29 "Also acceptable would be, like, a link from within your iPhone application" Jan 11 01:58:15 Boxee? Jan 11 01:58:56 http://glyphish.com/ < Reading the attribution requirements in the free version Jan 11 02:03:48 It's sad that I'm looking at stuff I wrote like, 4 weeks ago, and going "the hell is this it's terrible" Jan 11 02:12:12 December app sales... pretty dismal. Jan 11 02:12:35 which app? Jan 11 02:12:54 :( Jan 11 02:12:59 myles, done, noted Jan 11 02:13:13 I think Rovio is the only one making money Jan 11 02:14:21 make a physics based game Jan 11 02:14:49 * haeffb needs to get coding again. Haven't done anything since trip to NYC Jan 11 02:15:16 * oil hasn't seen you round these parts Jan 11 02:15:47 yep. been away doing other stuff. Jan 11 02:16:11 I think I should finalize the mojo versions of apps, then wait on enyo. Jan 11 02:16:33 and see where that goes Jan 11 02:26:02 * halfhalo is being lazy and not coding Jan 11 02:43:29 * Tibfib is coding, probably wasting his time Jan 11 02:45:49 * SineOt is trying to do some graphics, but is instead wishing he was drunk/high. Jan 11 02:51:38 Bad: Not letting you redo the activation for Google Apps even though DNS is a fickle bitch. :Q Jan 11 02:51:56 mugen-: pong Jan 11 02:52:02 Lol Jan 11 02:52:59 SineOt: I've activated google apps for a bunch of domains, and all of them let me retry activation all i wanted, including switching types Jan 11 02:53:28 Where did they bury that? Jan 11 02:53:46 I had my domain active, then had the DNS records all wipe, couldn't find the like... Activation cname stuff again. Jan 11 02:53:56 Then again it wouldn't surprise me if it's just be being retarded. Jan 11 02:54:24 oh, i've never had that problem Jan 11 02:54:28