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Jan 15 03:00:09 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: the whole enyo thing screwed up my naming for mojo messenger :P
Jan 15 03:00:23 <ajay> oh my!
Jan 15 03:00:25 <Tibfib> probably should come up with a better name anyway
Jan 15 03:00:25 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Jan 15 03:00:40 <SineOt> Name it PWM? P:
Jan 15 03:00:58 <ajay> oh that's funny they let you use 'mojo' in an app name, but not pre.. i guess mojo's not as mainstream of a word (, but pre's pretty generic/otoh!)
Jan 15 03:01:04 <mattsmcnulty> we came up with enyo a while ago - almost a year. repurposed the name for the framework once we needed a name
Jan 15 03:01:29 <SineOt> Just find some riff on BBM and go with that.
Jan 15 03:01:32 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 15 03:01:44 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: nice
Jan 15 03:01:45 <Loudergood> fruity messenger?
Jan 15 03:02:00 <mattsmcnulty> originally was the name for our internal ares server
Jan 15 03:02:02 * Tibfib wants to work with kik/pingchat/something to bring their app to webOS
Jan 15 03:02:03 <ajay> raspberry bike messenger?
Jan 15 03:02:19 <Loudergood> boysenberry messenger?
Jan 15 03:02:22 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 15 03:02:29 <SineOt> Kik is the one RIM is suing, isn't it?
Jan 15 03:02:31 <Tibfib> yep
Jan 15 03:02:45 <Tibfib> so maybe not kik.. hah. just an established service
Jan 15 03:03:23 <SineOt> Kik would be awesome, but... Not having it on Blackberry kills SO much usefulness.
Jan 15 03:05:33 <Tibfib> yeah. I REALLY want to make an app for a service. not into the service stuff as much
Jan 15 03:05:53 <ajay> yeah a cross-platform messenger would be cool.. (can't say i understand bbm yet tho)
Jan 15 03:07:21 <Tibfib> I wouldn't mind as much if palm had a push service...
Jan 15 03:07:54 <bpadalino> push it good
Jan 15 03:08:00 <SineOt> BBM is basically text messaging without the text messaging part. So no hit on your bill for sending texts.
Jan 15 03:08:22 <SineOt> I want to talk with people in the UK but don't want to pay the international pricing for SMS, and IM requires them to be signed on!
Jan 15 03:08:22 <bpadalino> well, you get message status too - right ?
Jan 15 03:08:25 <bpadalino> that's the whole point
Jan 15 03:08:37 <SineOt> Well yeah that too.
Jan 15 03:08:40 <bpadalino> stalk to see if someone read your message and if they didn't, tell all your other friends what a jerk they are?
Jan 15 03:10:04 <SineOt> Hell I do that anyways, who needs a read status. >:O
Jan 15 03:10:14 <SineOt> It's pretty obvious when people aren't reading your messages.
Jan 15 03:13:35 <bpadalino> haha
Jan 15 03:18:48 <ajay> hopefully when they put voice and texting over data (LTE/whatnot) they'll continue to raise prices for text messages, just to mock us
Jan 15 03:19:34 * Tibfib doesn't want texting over data
Jan 15 03:19:52 <Tibfib> I typically get better phone service than data service.
Jan 15 03:21:05 <ajay> that's true.. i used to want to do all my texting over gVoice (web/app), but.. it's tough. esp when travelling through dead-ish zones
Jan 15 03:49:03 <dohtem> http://raptjs.heroku.com/
Jan 15 03:59:08 <ajay> dohtem: wow that's pretty amazin! seems like it'd be tough on the pre (I know I had trouble w/ gPacman!) and boy, it's confusin playin both at the same time! :)
Jan 15 04:03:43 <dohtem> yeah, I played one player first then played the next.
Jan 15 04:03:52 <dohtem> but yeah, the physics is insane
Jan 15 04:07:31 <Loudergood> yeah arrow keys are hard on a pre ;)
Jan 15 04:10:04 <ajay> dohtem: heh, yeah.. dang it looks pretty simple, i bet it wouldn't be that hard to pkg for webOS
Jan 15 04:16:33 <destinal-away> wow, I'm amazed.  the two year old in the house navigates webos on a palm pre really well
Jan 15 04:16:45 <destinal> I should youtube a video
Jan 15 04:17:35 <destinal> like he presses the silver button and throws away cards, hits the launcher button and swipes between pages to find the icon he wants and runs it
Jan 15 04:17:46 <ajay> destinal: hm, competition in the 2 y.o. using webOS space? aye!
Jan 15 04:19:34 <destinal> he'll navigate buttons he can't read by memory / location and get into his game where he can pop bubbles or fingerpaint or whatever
Jan 15 04:30:23 <ajay> oh boy a new version of drPodder! the first app I bought (and almost the only paid app i use!)
Jan 15 04:37:24 * ajay suggested to the dkGoogleVoice dev he open source it.. and he did!
Jan 15 04:38:06 <Tibfib> where's the update?
Jan 15 04:40:28 <destinal> ajay: what's dkGoogleVoice?
Jan 15 04:40:37 <Tibfib> an OLD google voice client
Jan 15 04:40:44 <ajay> what's an update?
Jan 15 04:40:55 <Tibfib> the update to drPodder
Jan 15 04:41:34 <ajay> Tibfib: oh! haha.. there's one in preware (HB), i think there's one in the app cat too
Jan 15 04:41:45 <Tibfib> hmm, not seeing it here
Jan 15 04:42:11 <destinal> ajay: where is the OSS release of it then?
Jan 15 04:42:13 <ajay> Tibfib: hm, maybe that means we should get gdial and p2 too?
Jan 15 04:42:24 <ajay> destinal: it'll be on WOI's git hub in a sec
Jan 15 04:42:32 <destinal> ajay: awesome
Jan 15 04:42:35 <Tibfib> ajay: hrm?
Jan 15 04:42:59 <ajay> Tibfib: since you said dk was an OLD gVoice client, maybe we should get one of the newer old apps too.. :)
Jan 15 04:43:24 <Tibfib> ahhhhh, gotcha. I'm past comprehension. shoulda gone to bed a bit ago :)
Jan 15 04:43:58 <Tibfib> destinal: was it you that was interested in a google voice app?
Jan 15 04:44:10 <destinal> Tibfib: it was indeed
Jan 15 04:44:18 <Tibfib> did you want to do the UI or backend?
Jan 15 04:44:26 <Tibfib> or both
Jan 15 04:46:58 <destinal> Tibfib: more the back-end part.  I want a good open source gvoice app (though not averse to selling it in catalog too) -- with a hybrid app it should be possible to do it without having server infrastructure like voogle uses.  and also I've heard voogle is pretty unstable.  also I'd like to patch the regular apps to make it fully integrated
Jan 15 04:47:11 <destinal> all that said, I'm not super serious about it
Jan 15 04:48:16 <ajay> yeah that's a good question, why does voogle need that server infrastructure
Jan 15 04:48:52 <ajay> i am _frequently_ getting voogle telling me my username/pass are wrong.  Occasional other problems, but those I can't guarantee are voogle probs.  It'd be _GREAT_ if we could get gVoice to work like the official app!
Jan 15 04:52:05 <ajay> destinal: oh! it looks like he went with a pretty open license so guess you can sell!
Jan 15 04:52:08 <destinal> ajay: the server infrastructure is required because there's only so much you can do with the stock POST and xmlhttprequest and google can distinguish their apps requests from our own
Jan 15 04:52:27 <Tibfib> oh , that makes sense
Jan 15 04:52:32 <destinal> it would not be required with a hybrid app
Jan 15 04:54:47 <ajay> destinal: I guess making a PDK app is not very .. appealing/desirable? (in terms of the end user)
Jan 15 04:55:56 <destinal> ajay: have you seen hybrid?
Jan 15 04:56:02 <destinal> think wIRC
Jan 15 04:56:44 <destinal> *not* talking about a game-looking app
Jan 15 04:57:13 <ajay> destinal: not really..
Jan 15 04:57:22 <ajay> i have wirc but haven't really paid attn to it, lesse..
Jan 15 04:57:25 <Tibfib> ajay: mojo front end, c++ back end
Jan 15 04:58:12 <destinal> totally webos look and feel with native code behind
Jan 15 04:58:34 <destinal> Tibfib said it better
Jan 15 04:58:46 <ajay> Tibfib: oh yeah that looks good (wIRC)
Jan 15 04:59:03 <destinal> ajay: a good gvoice app *could* be done that way
Jan 15 04:59:15 <ajay> sounds reasonable
Jan 15 04:59:42 <ajay> i wonder if google pushes the part of the API that will prevent the data connection need
Jan 15 05:00:23 <destinal> ajay: prevent data connection?
Jan 15 05:04:15 <ajay> destinal: I don't remember the language that google uses, but iirc the official version doesn't need a data connection
Jan 15 05:07:36 <destinal> I'm sure their app is using data
Jan 15 05:11:34 <ajay> destinal: i think it has to, but not for EVERY call
Jan 15 05:11:47 <ajay> my friend is installing it on his iPhone, and we had an arg about that, i agree with you
Jan 15 05:13:38 <destinal> ajay: heh, easy enough to prove, just man in the middle the traffic
Jan 15 05:14:31 <ajay> destinal: okay! it's up on WOI's github: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/gvoice.git;a=summary
Jan 15 05:15:35 <rwhitby> ajay: github to git repo is like kleenex to tissue
Jan 15 05:15:46 <ajay> oh sorry ;^)
Jan 15 05:16:11 <ajay> i thought it sounded really cool :)
Jan 15 05:16:46 <ajay> destinal: http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/faster-dialing-with-google-voice-on.html "This means that we no longer need to use your data network to access the server each time you make a call, so calls will be placed much faster."
Jan 15 05:19:14 <ajay> hm, the python gVoice seems to be pretty updated! http://code.google.com/p/pygooglevoice/ that might be a good hybrid approach
Jan 15 05:35:02 <ajay> woa that was close, the freakin wicked witch of the west was here! good thing she heard nothing
Jan 15 05:35:59 <SineOt> lol
Jan 15 05:41:47 <ajay> ttfn!
Jan 15 05:42:00 <SineOt> laters~
Jan 15 05:51:11 <dohtem> wtf?
Jan 15 05:52:50 * Tibfib gives up on his code for the night
Jan 15 05:52:56 <Tibfib> goodnight all
Jan 15 05:53:10 <SineOt> night
Jan 15 06:53:21 <destinal> ajay: that's a pretty awesome idea, python hybrid gvoice apps
Jan 15 16:57:16 <haeffb_> shift 4g looks nice.
Jan 15 16:57:19 <haeffb_> feels nice
Jan 15 16:57:38 <haeffb_> somebody, please talk me off the ledge!
Jan 15 16:57:44 <MetaView> hi
Jan 15 17:02:26 <hotdp> haeffb_ dont do it :P
Jan 15 17:02:39 <haeffb_> but I must!!!!!
Jan 15 17:03:11 <hotdp> why?
Jan 15 17:08:59 <haeffb_> cuz it's new & shiny!!!
Jan 15 17:09:20 <hotdp> but then you must have it for like 2 years righT?
Jan 15 17:09:47 <haeffb_> I must have Sprint for 2 years
Jan 15 17:09:56 <haeffb_> but I could always pay full price for another phone
Jan 15 17:10:12 <hotdp> ohh CDMA?
Jan 15 17:10:13 <haeffb_> maybe HPalm will provide discounted Sprint dev phones...?
Jan 15 17:10:20 <haeffb_> yes CDMA
Jan 15 17:10:23 <hotdp> :S
Jan 15 17:10:27 * hotdp dont like cmda
Jan 15 17:10:45 <hotdp> but you know, its android?
Jan 15 17:11:19 <hotdp> have you tryed to use android for some days?
Jan 15 17:12:01 <haeffb_> no, just played with it in the Sprint store this morning
Jan 15 17:12:08 <hotdp> try
Jan 15 17:12:15 <hotdp> i am openminded for os
Jan 15 17:12:23 <hotdp> but i really dont like android :s
Jan 15 18:05:31 <haeffb_> I don't really like android, either, but the Shift 4g looks like a really nice piece of hardware.
Jan 15 18:08:25 <hotdp> yer
Jan 15 18:08:31 <hotdp> Hardware is good :)
Jan 15 18:08:48 <hotdp> But i would not buy anything so close to 9 feb :P
Jan 15 18:10:43 <haeffb_> sigh. me too.
Jan 15 21:24:20 <dpivs> hi everyoen
Jan 15 21:24:22 <dpivs> everyone
Jan 15 21:25:05 * halfhalo whistles
Jan 15 21:27:04 <dpivs> i haven't been here in a while.  place looks the same.
Jan 15 21:31:59 <hotdp> lol
Jan 15 23:37:28 <renegaid> NY Times has an article about iphone and verizon. It says that android phones helped them a lot by abandoning marketing of loser phones like the the Palm Pre. I can't wait to see how HP tries to overcome the negative press of the Pre. The phone has so many issues
Jan 15 23:47:53 <dohtem> yeah, before the first Droid, VZW was mainly Blackberrys and feature phones. (unless you call the LG Envy a smartphone)
Jan 15 23:48:42 <renegaid> almost like android was the savior for verizon and sprint
Jan 15 23:56:19 <torchie> P MUCH
Jan 15 23:56:24 <torchie> erm
Jan 15 23:56:24 <torchie> p much
Jan 15 23:56:44 <torchie> well before the first droid, verizon had a hell of a (somewhat crippled) windows mobile lineup
Jan 15 23:56:54 <torchie> only they had the omnia
Jan 15 23:57:03 <torchie> but T-mo had the HD2
Jan 16 00:04:56 <dohtem> thats right, I forgot about their wm phones
Jan 16 02:21:15 <Tibfib> protip: don't call modelChanged on filterImmediate on a filter field.
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