**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 17 02:59:57 2011 Jan 17 03:09:02 mugen-: I might be going Jan 17 03:11:47 cool Jan 17 03:16:23 mugen- several people will be there who LIVE on the left coast... and a few ( destinal ) who are fortuitously scheduled to be there for work. Jan 17 03:17:23 yeah, i'm looking for a reason to go visit and meet some people... Jan 17 03:18:17 have you ever been to san francisco before ? Jan 17 03:18:18 I bet they'll have a packed house Jan 17 03:19:11 hopefully they'll have a lot of good stuff to talk about Jan 17 03:19:17 bpadalino: that was one of my excuses for going to NYC ;) Jan 17 03:19:27 Loudergood: and what did you think of NYC ? Jan 17 03:19:37 I liked it Jan 17 03:19:47 it's a very tall city Jan 17 03:19:49 of course I had a tight schedule Jan 17 03:19:59 bpadalino: where are you located? Jan 17 03:20:05 rochester, ny Jan 17 03:20:08 I came in on a train very early saturday morning Jan 17 03:20:15 and left on a train sunday night Jan 17 03:20:17 that's close enough Jan 17 03:20:25 to NYC, indeed Jan 17 03:20:32 i've been there a good number of times Jan 17 03:20:40 still a long drive Jan 17 03:20:49 been to SF a bunch, why bp? Jan 17 03:20:50 only visited san francisco a few years ago, but did a nice drive up the coast from san fran -> seattle .. Jan 17 03:20:59 mugen-: looking for reasons for you to go :) Jan 17 03:21:15 Hopefully they have another dev day in April this year Jan 17 03:21:36 oh... :) i dunno why i'm kidding myself. it's relatively close, and i could use the time to get away Jan 17 03:21:58 make the hotel reservation tonight then :) Jan 17 03:22:14 did you register for the actual event? Jan 17 03:22:33 do that too Jan 17 03:22:37 oh i'm good and covered... plenty of friends out there. Jan 17 03:22:44 no. debating it tonight Jan 17 03:22:56 give in to peer pressure .. you know you want to Jan 17 03:23:16 its a lot for a 3 hr event tho Jan 17 03:23:31 he said there are friends, too! Jan 17 03:23:49 it's just i'll have to allocate for the lady to go, and then get a sitter for the dog Jan 17 03:24:00 if those two things can happen... i'll be there Jan 17 03:24:01 yeah but webos netbooks! ;) Jan 17 03:24:26 dont forget printers Jan 17 03:24:35 i KNOW Jan 17 03:24:39 HP printers are my fav Jan 17 03:24:57 * mugen- looks around Jan 17 03:25:13 lies! Jan 17 03:25:22 i'm curious to see if hp has held back on some of the features in the next big release across all devices for this announcement Jan 17 03:25:58 could you imagine the compilation of webos hopes and dreams this channel has seen? Jan 17 03:26:21 i've seen dreams shattered .. Jan 17 03:26:23 mugen-: and the threats of moving to Android :) Jan 17 03:26:24 i'm just stoked we're finally getting let in to their minds for gods sake Jan 17 03:26:28 ideas thwarted .. Jan 17 03:26:35 dear god i hope not Jan 17 03:26:36 lol Jan 17 03:26:52 dohtem, wp7 yes... but not android. guess i missed a lot of that Jan 17 03:26:54 :) Jan 17 03:27:07 I'm sure there will be a few zealots crushed.. Jan 17 03:28:22 I hope the revamp the apps page too Jan 17 03:28:25 they* Jan 17 03:30:01 i hope they talk a little bit about their internal competition for app development Jan 17 03:30:24 yeah, they seemed more than a little excited about how that went Jan 17 03:31:21 sine! :D Jan 17 03:32:05 hey mugen- Jan 17 03:32:13 what's going on man? Jan 17 03:33:55 mm, not much Jan 17 03:33:57 feeling dumb :p Jan 17 03:34:23 ? Jan 17 03:34:39 didn't realize tomorrow is a holiday... Jan 17 03:35:28 yay! Jan 17 03:36:23 hehe Jan 17 03:39:05 sort of a holiday. Jan 17 03:39:45 As in federal offices and state offices are closed, but many businesses are open, even as they were on Jan 3... which was sort of a holiday. Jan 17 03:40:00 This whole "monday holiday" thing is so odd. Jan 17 03:46:29 https://squareup.com/ -- wish this would come to webOS Jan 17 03:48:05 do you have a little square mag reader ? Jan 17 03:48:37 nope Jan 17 03:49:04 ah .. once palm opens up getting to the audio stream - it'll probably be relatively easy Jan 17 03:50:02 then again, since i'm not doing it, it's infinitely easy! Jan 17 03:50:10 lol Jan 17 03:50:22 are we still getting mic access? Jan 17 03:50:53 it was announced a while ago - so i assume they wouldn't take it back Jan 17 03:51:33 i think square is a neat idea .. i also like kickstarter if you haven't seen it Jan 17 03:52:58 http://www.kickstarter.com/- this? Jan 17 03:53:54 yes, the project website Jan 17 03:54:11 microfunding Jan 17 03:54:15 and micropayments Jan 17 03:56:34 yeah a Square app would be awesome Jan 17 04:00:01 also the hints at a webOS netbook are fun :9 Jan 17 04:00:23 only if the netbook is ARM based Jan 17 04:03:27 Y'know, thinking about it, you could get some insane battery life out of an ARM based netbook Jan 17 04:03:33 bpadalino: Kinda like kiva.org but for startups. Jan 17 04:04:24 if a phone can get like 8 hours out of a tiny 1000mAh battery, you'd get some insane times out of a like, 5000mAh battery Jan 17 04:04:32 SineOt: indeed Jan 17 04:04:50 ah, never seen kiva.org .. Jan 17 04:05:03 especially when the actual motherboard on the device could be smartphone sized, and leave you a ton of space to pack it with batteries Jan 17 04:05:05 a little bit - except i am not sure how those micropayments work from kiva .. Jan 17 04:05:13 SineOt: *tinfoil hat* I dunno if I want that battery in my pocket next to my junk Jan 17 04:05:24 is the loan direct, and at an explicit percentage ? Jan 17 04:05:27 or does it just go through ? Jan 17 04:05:34 kickstarter is more quid-pro-quo .. Jan 17 04:05:37 I'd be more worried about your pockets if you could fit a 10" netbook in there Jan 17 04:05:48 bpadalino: not sure. Jan 17 04:07:42 * SineOt bats dohtem around for worrying about netbook batteries in his pocket! Jan 17 04:38:29 ugh good lord, the tournament word list is terrible, worst scrabble dictionary ever :C Jan 17 04:49:50 aasvogel? how can you let aasvogel be an allowed word but not zen Jan 17 05:14:54 lol Jan 17 05:21:36 jeeze, there's still iPad commercials on TV? Jan 17 05:22:02 yup Jan 17 05:23:50 * halfhalo is sorta kinda watching the hangover Jan 17 06:46:18 howdy Jan 17 07:06:52 Morning Jan 17 12:26:53 afternoon Jan 17 12:27:12 hey Jan 17 12:27:49 what's up? Jan 17 12:27:59 working Jan 17 12:28:04 you? Jan 17 12:28:20 me too Jan 17 12:28:33 :P Jan 17 12:29:03 the project scope has expanded .. not only ipad .. android tablets and phones too Jan 17 12:29:12 hehe Jan 17 12:29:17 alot of work :D Jan 17 12:29:22 yup Jan 17 12:29:32 proof of concept phase is only 1 1/2 weeks tho Jan 17 12:30:22 for all platforms or the idea? Jan 17 12:30:48 yeah Jan 17 12:30:51 also mobile web too Jan 17 12:30:54 with the same code Jan 17 12:31:00 :) Jan 17 12:31:06 how many people on the project? Jan 17 12:31:07 so the phonegap app is not that intelligent Jan 17 12:31:13 5 Jan 17 12:31:18 sometimes 6 Jan 17 12:55:02 thats nice Jan 17 12:55:04 i am alone.. Jan 17 12:55:10 what do you mean about phonegap? Jan 17 13:00:21 the phonegap app just loads different html snippets .. it doesn't have much "intelligence" inside Jan 17 13:00:54 no of course? Jan 17 13:00:59 its only a wrapper Jan 17 13:01:05 i dont get your point? Jan 17 13:13:26 apparently not :) Jan 17 13:14:04 so far, most of my apps were javascript clients, loading remote (json) data for displaying/interacting Jan 17 13:14:12 yes Jan 17 13:14:38 this app only requests html-snippets from the backend (depending on the navigation links selected) Jan 17 13:14:48 yes Jan 17 13:15:03 * hotdp__ still not lost Jan 17 13:15:33 it's almost the same as the mobile website Jan 17 13:16:07 so where is the problem with phonegap? Jan 17 13:16:58 it's not a problem Jan 17 13:17:16 it's just not as exciting as creating a javascript client Jan 17 13:17:30 because most of the stuff happens on the backend (templating,controllers,business logic) Jan 17 13:18:17 are you going to MWC? Jan 17 13:30:18 ahh i understand Jan 17 13:30:27 but tht "problem" with the logic is known to me Jan 17 13:30:35 because thats wht i normally do Jan 17 13:30:55 when i create websites where i have a backend for all the stuff and then some frontend to display stuff Jan 17 13:31:01 MVC? Jan 17 13:35:16 MWC Jan 17 13:35:21 mobile world congress Jan 17 13:35:23 in barcelona Jan 17 13:35:33 ahh Jan 17 13:35:35 No Jan 17 13:35:43 I do not have e free ticke t;) Jan 17 13:35:49 did you apply for one? Jan 17 13:36:21 nopes Jan 17 13:36:33 i went to UK so did not wonna make anymore presure Jan 17 13:36:57 heh Jan 17 13:37:54 And i am ssaving for a house and new car Jan 17 13:37:58 so... Jan 17 13:38:03 yeah Jan 17 13:39:41 bbl Jan 17 14:47:53 rehi Jan 17 14:49:22 hey swisstomcat Jan 17 14:51:01 hi haeffb Jan 17 14:51:16 hows the new job working out? Jan 17 14:51:31 pretty good Jan 17 14:51:34 getting settled in Jan 17 16:07:44 anyone else unable to reach http://www.tigercountryrealty.com ? Jan 17 16:09:11 Tiger Country Realty - We're "Macon" Tracks in Real Estate! Jan 17 16:09:19 yes, and that joke is simply awful Jan 17 16:10:23 sweet Jan 17 16:10:25 thanks Jan 17 16:12:11 so, why would I get a "request timed out" error Jan 17 16:12:41 don't know Jan 17 16:12:45 maybe tracert it? Jan 17 16:12:55 hi Jan 17 16:13:49 http://www.pastie.org/1470213 Jan 17 16:14:09 I did the tracert it, but don't know what to do with the results. Jan 17 16:14:58 woot, it's back! Jan 17 16:15:18 but still, what happened? And how would I keep it from happening again? Jan 17 16:15:59 mine came out the same of yours Jan 17 16:16:01 *as Jan 17 16:16:07 not sure, could be server-side Jan 17 16:16:29 lol doesn't work for me now, so I'm guessing it is Jan 17 16:20:16 looks like one of the routers in the path is having "issues" Jan 17 16:20:23 nothing you can do about that, I'm afraid Jan 17 16:21:01 on the bright side, I can get there Jan 17 16:29:05 so, sugardave, want to buy a house? Jan 17 16:29:27 it appears the host's firewall is blocking my IP address. Jan 17 16:29:34 and now semprance's as well... ? Jan 17 16:36:47 I refreshed and it did the same thing again. After about a minute it did load though Jan 17 16:38:53 likely a router crapping itself Jan 17 16:39:13 got access to the server logs? Jan 17 16:39:32 15 180 ms 185 ms 185 ms host8.datacenter0001.com [67.227.170.50] Jan 17 16:41:04 has anyone heard if hpalm has plans for a dual mode bt chip so it can talk to bluetooth low energy devices? Jan 17 16:44:25 never heart about Jan 17 16:44:35 what is this dual mode bt chip? Jan 17 16:44:47 haeffb: not in the market to buy today Jan 17 16:46:05 wild. they say something I was doing was causing their firewall to block my IP Jan 17 16:46:23 but I wasn't doing anything...unusual. Jan 17 16:46:35 stop doing that Jan 17 16:47:02 but I like doing it sooooo much. Jan 17 16:47:13 MetaView, you need a newer bluetooth chip (v4) to talk to low energy devices Jan 17 16:47:16 er...wait...what were we talking about...? Jan 17 16:47:20 heh Jan 17 16:47:44 bmidgley: which devices are it for instancE? Jan 17 16:48:13 * haeffb going mobile. bbiab Jan 17 16:48:23 right now just prototypes... heart rate monitors, medical devices, etc Jan 17 16:48:36 but you could finally have a wireless watch that doesn't need a huge battery Jan 17 16:49:34 ok, but i guess it will take some time until one sees support for it in mainstream devices/phones Jan 17 16:52:10 yep, I'm looking at dev kits at the moment for a side project, eg http://www.blueradios.com/hardware_EVAL-LE4.0-S2.htm Jan 17 16:52:11 Seems i can call the download manager from a PDK app? Jan 17 16:53:20 hey ppl Jan 17 16:53:26 hm Jan 17 16:54:01 is it possible to compile an app on the fone it self Jan 17 16:54:35 I have term I just wanna know if there's a way to compile the app on the fone Jan 17 16:55:24 when you havea gcc on the phone? Jan 17 16:55:47 ya I have gcc Jan 17 16:55:56 but I mean like webos apps Jan 17 16:56:28 real webos apps? Jan 17 16:56:34 there is no compliing Jan 17 16:56:44 just a couple of JS and html files Jan 17 16:57:09 create a directory in the app dir, create a index.html and a appinfo.json Jan 17 16:57:25 wats the appinfo.json contain Jan 17 16:57:27 should work, maybe you need to initiate a rescan with Luna-mgr Jan 17 16:57:35 check the palm site Jan 17 16:57:51 there is the content of the appinfo.json described Jan 17 16:57:57 ok Jan 17 16:58:15 I lost my pc so I have to do it all on the fone Jan 17 16:58:31 =/ Jan 17 17:27:38 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/17/nyregion/20110117-map-restoration.html?ref=nyregion Jan 17 18:28:48 doh. been away too long. What's the command to create my ipk? Jan 17 18:29:47 palm-package Jan 17 18:39:13 did you get t? Jan 17 18:41:53 palm-package the_dir_where_the_app_dir_is Jan 17 18:46:35 yep I got it. Whoohoo...first beta update since October 31. Jan 17 18:46:50 hehe Jan 17 18:47:06 now I can't figure out why this icon doesn't show up Jan 17 18:47:12 in my app header Jan 17 18:53:23 what do you think of this UI for tag filtering in Noted... ? http://img716.imageshack.us/i/capturejnh.png/ Jan 17 18:53:51 tag filter & sort method/dir in header Jan 17 18:55:53 ooops. popupSubmenu sends a command of "undefined" if you click outside the menu area. Jan 17 18:58:21 gotta do if (command !== undefined) { Jan 17 18:58:21 ...} Jan 17 19:03:04 haeffb: what widget is that? is it custom? Jan 17 19:04:33 it's a div with a border (-webkit-border-image) and popupSubmenu Jan 17 19:04:47 very similar to the Tasks app, I think. Jan 17 19:07:00 * halfhalo is ripping his blurays Jan 17 19:12:20 * haeffb is headed to bball game (MU vs KSU on ESPN at 4:30.) see ya later! Jan 17 19:15:16 Go MU! Go MU!!! Go MU!!!! Jan 17 19:15:22 lol Jan 17 19:15:40 you know of course, that this is an actually difficult decision. Jan 17 19:16:01 sort of like cheering for russia or china in the '60's. Jan 17 19:30:23 well well well Jan 17 19:30:28 long time since i've been in here Jan 17 19:30:55 my presence corrolates to my downloads Jan 17 19:31:02 * pandora-- ssiiiiigghhhh Jan 17 19:31:05 rehi Jan 17 19:31:29 lol Jan 17 19:32:58 so, it's been a while, but i've been watching all the webos news (thx precentral!) closely Jan 17 19:33:15 what do you guys think about the feb 9th thang? Jan 17 19:35:39 * pandora-- listens to the crickets Jan 17 19:35:55 ok, well that explains the excitement around their announcement from the developers :P Jan 17 19:40:18 hehe Jan 17 19:40:22 pretty excited Jan 17 19:40:36 i wonder if there will be a super-phone announcement Jan 17 19:40:54 I'm sure there will be Jan 17 19:40:54 pretty sure that there will be a tablet announcement .. and maybe a pixi 2 Jan 17 19:41:05 webos 2.x Jan 17 19:41:12 Palm iPaq Redux! Jan 17 19:41:13 maybe the public sdk Jan 17 19:42:25 hrm Jan 17 19:42:51 i dunno about the general feel, but for me, they're really going to have to impress the crap out of me Jan 17 19:42:59 otherwise, I'm pretty much done with em Jan 17 19:43:05 and i'm a long long time Palm fanboy Jan 17 19:43:07 *sniff* Jan 17 19:43:12 I think a few of us feel the same way Jan 17 19:45:15 super phone Jan 17 19:45:18 on spriiiiiiiiint Jan 17 19:47:26 I've been using palm for only about a decade, and I'm not the biggest fanboy but god dammit they're the last defense Jan 17 19:50:04 what do you mean last defense? Jan 17 19:51:41 iOS is a fiendishly well designed, hardware optimized, vertically integrated product... Jan 17 19:51:51 ...that apple locks in a cage in a box in a prison. Jan 17 19:52:14 android is everywhere and anywhere, Jan 17 19:52:16 and that's terrible. Jan 17 19:54:16 windows phone 7 has some semblance of influence and care on microsoft's part, as well as fantastic speed and efficiency even on low-end (by today's standards) hardware, but is in a cage nearly as bad as iOS' Jan 17 19:55:42 don't forget Blackberry, where everything needs to go through the mothership Jan 17 19:55:44 webos is vertically integrated, runs great in its latest iteration, has brilliant interface design, and a company that actually embraces the homebrew community and doesn't make you jump through hoops to jailbreak or root or this or that Jan 17 19:55:47 blackwhat? Jan 17 19:56:25 is that the one where the main series of phones still doesn't use touchscreens Jan 17 19:56:54 indeed, don't you love mini trackballs? Jan 17 19:57:11 lul Jan 17 19:57:17 if only nokia would get off their asses... Jan 17 19:57:20 yeah seriously Jan 17 19:57:37 if there were some actual meego phones out there, that'd be a great alternative Jan 17 19:58:04 trackballs are like d-pads except without the... Jan 17 19:58:06 ...advantages Jan 17 19:58:21 trackpoint would've been way better Jan 17 19:58:42 there's a reason laptop makers stopped using trackballs though..mostly because they're crap Jan 17 19:59:19 * halfhalo has a pointerstick on his lappytop Jan 17 20:02:24 a red nipple? Jan 17 20:05:27 ues Jan 17 20:05:28 yes Jan 17 20:05:34 one time I went to the music store and there was a thinkpad with no trackpad Jan 17 20:05:37 just the red nipple Jan 17 20:05:39 my mind was blown Jan 17 20:05:45 yup Jan 17 20:05:52 x61 or x200 series Jan 17 20:06:36 yeah, I want one. Jan 17 20:06:56 first thing I do when I set mine up is disable that damned trackpad Jan 17 20:09:20 it's funny when someone else tries to use it Jan 17 20:09:28 hah Jan 17 20:09:44 I'm a blasphemer Jan 17 20:09:48 I use the trackpad more than the stick Jan 17 20:09:53 I'd totally go for a trackpad over a stick Jan 17 20:09:58 well it depends Jan 17 20:10:07 the stick has a steeper learning curve I find Jan 17 20:10:08 criteria is: is it a macbook? Jan 17 20:10:12 no? Jan 17 20:10:19 just plug in a mouse Jan 17 20:10:25 lol Jan 17 20:10:44 that's pretty close to my criteria Jan 17 20:10:51 is it a thinkpad? Jan 17 20:10:53 no? Jan 17 20:10:59 plug in a mouse Jan 17 20:13:13 my desktop is not liking me playing bad company 2 and ripping a bluray at the same time Jan 17 20:14:47 yeah I doubt it would Jan 17 20:19:46 i lost like 15fps Jan 17 20:19:47 grrr Jan 17 20:31:51 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/webos-the-other-smartphonetablet-linux/8090 -- Haters gonna hate :( Jan 17 20:33:34 I don't think he's ever used webos or meego Jan 17 20:35:18 it really sounds like his article is based on what he's read about, not actual use Jan 17 20:39:02 you dont have to us something to make wild claims for pageviews Jan 17 20:39:09 s/us/use/ Jan 17 20:39:48 lol Jan 17 20:40:01 look at the image Jan 17 20:40:05 he knows everything Jan 17 20:40:26 lol Jan 17 20:40:30 "Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system" Jan 17 20:40:41 YER Jan 17 20:56:58 well, after actually reading what dude had to say Jan 17 20:57:08 he doesn't seem to make any point Jan 17 20:57:18 other then "we got apple and google why do we need another one?" Jan 17 20:58:42 * oil bets he is ios/android fanboy Jan 17 20:59:07 probably thinks android is "open" Jan 17 20:59:22 it is, to manufacturers Jan 17 21:00:04 lies Jan 17 21:00:15 too bad they all muck with it Jan 17 21:00:32 it's like the early days of windows PCs Jan 17 21:00:33 yep. Jan 17 21:01:01 android is as open as say.... oh... i don't know. some operating system that starts with "I" Jan 17 21:01:32 i-linux Jan 17 21:01:33 fortunately, you can generally overcome that, but it's sure as heck not NORMALLY open Jan 17 21:01:34 :p Jan 17 21:02:22 what is "android" Jan 17 21:02:25 there is no such thing Jan 17 21:02:35 it has no identity Jan 17 21:02:35 people call it "droid" now Jan 17 21:02:41 because of motorola and verizon, lol Jan 17 21:02:45 it is not open nor closed Jan 17 21:02:49 "gonna get me one of those droid phones" Jan 17 21:03:18 it doesn't belong to samsung, htc, or motorola Jan 17 21:03:19 and hack the shit out of it so it actually works Jan 17 21:03:25 and it certainly doesn't belong to google Jan 17 21:03:41 i was at this party Jan 17 21:03:50 and dude was showing off his android phone Jan 17 21:04:01 it's a mass of code made for no set of hardware in particular, with no direction and no coherence Jan 17 21:04:06 the app that lets you see the constellations/etc Jan 17 21:04:15 that app's pretty cool Jan 17 21:04:18 yeah Jan 17 21:04:24 and i was like "oh, it uses the compass, right?" Jan 17 21:04:26 knowing the answer Jan 17 21:04:30 and he is all "no" Jan 17 21:04:34 lol Jan 17 21:04:44 so im trying to explain it to him so he would understand that it did indeed use the compass Jan 17 21:04:54 does the pre 2 have a compass Jan 17 21:04:55 and he says "can't argue with an idiot" Jan 17 21:05:03 lol Jan 17 21:05:17 at which point i stopped arguing with him, because he was clearly an idiot Jan 17 21:07:26 then the next day he was all apologetic for being a dick Jan 17 21:07:38 because he looked it up on the internet and found i was right Jan 17 21:07:43 lol Jan 17 21:07:47 wow Jan 17 21:08:06 someone who apologized...I thought that was out of fashion these days Jan 17 21:08:10 lol Jan 17 21:08:16 heh Jan 17 21:08:22 well what does apologizing get you Jan 17 21:08:35 oh, well afterwards everyone else thought he was an idiot too Jan 17 21:08:43 not a knife in the back Jan 17 21:09:09 I dunno man Jan 17 21:09:17 I see movies where a guy about to get killed is saying sorry sorry omg Jan 17 21:09:20 and then he gets killed anyway Jan 17 21:09:31 I guess in that case it's Jan 17 21:09:40 TOO LATE TO 'POLOGIIIIIIIZE Jan 17 21:09:46 TOO LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE Jan 17 21:09:48 well, im not one to stab someone with a knife, so Jan 17 21:09:55 unlike halfhalo Jan 17 21:09:58 thats your problem Jan 17 21:10:04 let me put it this way Jan 17 21:10:07 if #webos was a boat Jan 17 21:10:12 i would have thrown halfhalo overboard long ago Jan 17 21:10:15 lol Jan 17 21:10:29 and then I would have blown the boat up Jan 17 21:10:34 lol Jan 17 21:10:37 I would have sold him to Ukranians Jan 17 21:10:48 hrm staples has my main lcd on sale for $150.. i think i paid 2something for it.. i really need a replacement for my crappy dell lcd Jan 17 21:10:50 no, your detonator would have gotten waterlogged and not worked Jan 17 21:11:10