**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 02:59:57 2011 Jan 18 03:25:03 hm, I need to buy a new case for my pre.. this cheap best buy one isn't cutting it.. it'd be nice to have a holster tho Jan 18 03:26:07 https://twitter.com/ruddersquish/status/27202441598476288 X3 Jan 18 03:36:09 oh bother that's not very easily read in lnynx Jan 18 03:36:14 s/lnynx/lynx/ Jan 18 03:40:10 lol, love the icon Jan 18 03:44:19 awesome Jan 18 04:05:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvf29R7nXlM -- Behind the scenes look at a memory factory Jan 18 04:13:39 hey guys Jan 18 04:13:40 anybody here? Jan 18 04:13:43 hey Jan 18 04:13:54 there's always someone here Jan 18 04:14:20 wana check out my new site? Jan 18 04:14:23 sure Jan 18 04:14:29 http://www.ipickupsports.com Jan 18 04:14:45 * halfhalo just learned he goes back to school the 24th, not tomorrow Jan 18 04:15:02 lucky Jan 18 04:15:15 so I have iPhone, Android and WebOS on the right side Jan 18 04:15:19 wonder if it looks god heh Jan 18 04:15:31 * Loudergood is still working on things he should've gotten done in the past 4 weeks Jan 18 04:16:15 there's nothing on the map around me Jan 18 04:16:24 found me quite well though Jan 18 04:16:37 uggg Jan 18 04:16:52 * halfhalo has to retake a computer class and he doesn't want to Jan 18 04:16:57 the webOS icon is greyscale though? Jan 18 04:17:10 oh I did that once...it wasn't the greatest feeling for sure Jan 18 04:17:29 oh, thats besides the calc I have to retake Jan 18 04:17:38 calc 2? Jan 18 04:17:38 calc over summer does not work Jan 18 04:17:51 I have to retake that eventually...can't stand it Jan 18 04:18:02 uh..I was hoping to do it this summer...uh oh Jan 18 04:19:07 I have no idea if I CAN get into the class, which is the issue Jan 18 04:20:00 fffff Jan 18 04:20:03 ugh...that's probably the worst Jan 18 04:20:16 the one session I can take is mo-fri Jan 18 04:21:49 next you're going to tell me it's at 7am Jan 18 04:22:21 I wish Jan 18 04:22:23 one of the math profs here would do that if he could get away with it Jan 18 04:22:26 10-10:50 Jan 18 04:22:45 SineOt, any feedbacks? Jan 18 04:23:12 he's gone. Jan 18 04:23:41 where do I need to navigate to to see stuff on the map? Jan 18 04:23:51 fuuuu Jan 18 04:24:22 oh looks like there's stuff in the NYC area...nice Jan 18 04:25:07 Ok, why is my ps3 not liking my movie Jan 18 04:25:36 hmm..rather than telling people to login can you just make the login window come up (when you click join game without being logged in) Jan 18 04:32:49 uggg Jan 18 04:32:56 now I have to find the netbook Jan 18 04:33:25 maybe Jan 18 04:33:37 or my other laptop, wherever that may be Jan 18 04:34:55 nyceane: did you build all 3 apps? Jan 18 04:56:11 I also realize I really wish my phone had hdmi out Jan 18 04:56:20 because it plays EVERYTHING Jan 18 05:16:22 are you kidding me half? Jan 18 05:16:42 hdmi on a phone is such a useless gimmick Jan 18 05:16:54 any recommendations on how to best fsck the USB partition? Jan 18 05:20:42 dohtem, yah Jan 18 05:20:54 dohtem, and Windows Phone 7 is on the way Jan 18 05:21:22 dohtem, I need to polish up the WebOS version first, it's not up to date and still hitting old webservices that doesn't require authenication Jan 18 05:21:27 lol... it's like lagged response central tonight :D Jan 18 05:22:24 dohtem, are you here? Jan 18 05:25:35 mugen-: not really. Jan 18 05:25:53 Would mean I didn't have to carry my zunehd with me and just use my phone Jan 18 05:27:15 what device you using? Jan 18 05:27:17 then he leaves Jan 18 05:27:20 :( Jan 18 05:27:33 I have an epic 4g as my main phone right now Jan 18 05:27:47 ah Jan 18 05:28:09 grr, wmp needs to pick up the new files now Jan 18 05:28:10 my only beef with hdmi on phones is the fact it's not regular sized hdmi Jan 18 05:28:37 which means you need to carry around an adapter from hdmi->micro hdmi (or mini?) or an entire cable Jan 18 05:29:30 i say open source airplay and get it integrated into everything and your mother... XD Jan 18 05:30:12 or... dnla Jan 18 05:30:35 but thats not solving my immediate issue of THIS STUPID VIDEO NOT BEING COMPATIBLE WITH ZUNE Jan 18 05:30:37 GRRRRR Jan 18 05:30:44 lol Jan 18 05:30:55 yea :\ i finally sold my zHD last week Jan 18 05:31:16 16gb with the wall charger kit for $65 Jan 18 05:31:30 I love my hd, most everything i have wrks on it ut not this and not the dark night Jan 18 05:31:48 I still have my Zune80. Use it in the car with an adapter Jan 18 05:32:17 i loved it too, just don't have a zunepass anymore and they still never supported osx Jan 18 05:32:32 wait... i have a copy of dark knight that works on it Jan 18 05:32:54 mines a bluray rip, and if i ever want to watch it i actually watch the bluray Jan 18 05:33:28 oh, that reminds me, should convert the hangover as well Jan 18 05:33:32 never actually seen it Jan 18 05:33:53 you use handbrake? Jan 18 05:34:25 for dvds, yeah Jan 18 05:34:37 what for bdroms? Jan 18 05:34:46 makemkv Jan 18 05:34:59 then take the lazy way out and open the files with vlc Jan 18 05:35:13 heh Jan 18 05:35:26 the epic plays them as well Jan 18 05:35:35 nice Jan 18 05:36:19 k so question... i've been using transcoding software for almost 7 years in the digital media space for digital signage networks. Jan 18 05:36:39 most of my mkv's @ 1080p come out to about 5-8gb Jan 18 05:37:04 i've seen some that others online have encoded @ 1080p at a third that size Jan 18 05:37:20 i've seen perfect ironman2 mkvs at like 1.8gb Jan 18 05:37:25 http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-portland-dream-of-the-90s.php Jan 18 05:39:25 and the guy who encoded claimed -> Video Compression Technique: Quality Enhancer Bitrate Squeezer 2.2 Jan 18 05:39:34 you ever heard of that crap halo? Jan 18 05:40:45 its xvid, what do you expect? Jan 18 05:42:07 uhm... for the quality to be seriously lacking behind other encodes at twice the bitrate? Jan 18 05:43:17 meh Jan 18 05:43:32 also depends on the audio bitrate/channels Jan 18 05:45:01 nothing crazy. 680kbps AAC LC 5.1 Jan 18 05:46:18 uggg Jan 18 05:46:28 I think this encoder is using like.. half a core only Jan 18 05:47:15 sweet... that'll make things snappy Jan 18 05:47:47 * halfhalo pockes it with a stick to make it go faster on his quad core Jan 18 05:50:38 anyone that bought the daft punk tron soundtrack want some ringtones i just chopped up (Arena, Rinzler & End of Line)? Jan 18 05:51:06 * halfhalo doesn't use ringtones Jan 18 05:51:26 too cool for school? Jan 18 05:51:46 to lazy to switch off silent Jan 18 05:57:02 * oil has used same ringtone for years Jan 18 06:01:07 what's cracking oil? Jan 18 06:01:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZeqABXYLvk#t=00m16s Jan 18 06:01:36 speaking of phones, I should find mine since its probly dead Jan 18 06:01:39 that beginning part on loop Jan 18 06:02:15 * halfhalo lied. he does have a ringtone apparently. its the nokia one Jan 18 06:02:39 nokia ring makes me cringe Jan 18 06:03:51 :p Jan 18 06:04:54 oil: woa, that's a perfect way to make ringtones! Jan 18 06:05:14 that part of the song even sounds like a ring, lol Jan 18 06:05:32 wormtube+FMR+..= Jan 18 06:07:07 * oil made it from mp3 like 6 years ago or so Jan 18 06:07:14 suuuure Jan 18 06:10:26 * ajay is really excited that he saved his domains from the brink of expiration, w/o renewing at the current registrar.. phew! Jan 18 06:11:16 god it has been that long since primus released that Jan 18 06:11:34 go you ajay! :) Jan 18 06:12:06 i started reading your line expecting to see "*ajay is really excited he saved a lot of money on his car insurance..." Jan 18 06:40:28 mugen-: i think it was longer Jan 18 06:40:41 Released July 8, 1997 Jan 18 06:41:16 yeah Jan 18 06:41:23 well, assuming wikipedia is correect Jan 18 06:42:47 does everyones' phone put all imgs in 100PALM ? I want 101PALM, etc.. Jan 18 06:43:03 there's a patch for that Jan 18 06:43:32 I swear that should be WebOS Internal's slogan! Jan 18 06:47:15 ugh 97 Jan 18 06:47:33 when will life stop reminding me i'm aging too fast :P Jan 18 06:48:45 is there a patch to name videos (MP4s) in the same way as imgs? (Pre_DATA-#) Jan 18 06:48:56 s/DATA/DATE/ Jan 18 06:56:43 mugen-: haha Jan 18 06:57:02 ajay: i wonder how long until its 100HP Jan 18 06:59:34 * ajay ahh, egad, eww!! Jan 18 06:59:37 such dirty thoughts! Jan 18 06:59:39 how dare you! Jan 18 07:00:33 lol Jan 18 07:00:49 * oil makes patch to make it 100APPLE Jan 18 07:01:01 GOGOGO Jan 18 07:07:04 how about 187DROID Jan 18 07:07:18 187STEVE? Jan 18 07:07:32 ...that might be in poor taste in light of current events :\ Jan 18 07:07:45 my bad Jan 18 07:08:12 1337PICS Jan 18 07:08:44 8008PICS? Jan 18 07:08:53 hide em from your girl! Jan 18 07:09:35 anyone who has a mac should try the Pangea Arcade in the app store Jan 18 07:09:43 bah Jan 18 07:09:51 god you're a grouch Jan 18 07:09:59 its in my contract Jan 18 07:10:00 get back in your trash can Jan 18 07:10:21 what's wrong with pangea? Jan 18 07:10:28 dunno Jan 18 07:10:35 :p Jan 18 07:10:55 it's got missle command, centipede, and asteroids but all new skool Jan 18 07:11:04 and it's free. Jan 18 07:11:22 im to lazy to get the app store on this mbp Jan 18 07:12:11 too lazy to update? :P Jan 18 07:12:19 why, cause you gotta reboot? Jan 18 07:12:25 yes Jan 18 07:12:35 ... Jan 18 07:13:09 think of the children halo Jan 18 07:13:12 the children Jan 18 07:13:44 psh, they can starve Jan 18 07:13:50 the children who will grow up only ever getting software from an "app store" Jan 18 07:14:22 i was taking my younger cousin somewhere Jan 18 07:14:29 and he had never used a window crank before Jan 18 07:14:29 those poor little children Jan 18 07:14:32 lol Jan 18 07:15:00 i havent used one in YEARS Jan 18 07:15:06 * oil uses one daily Jan 18 07:15:10 he had never used one Jan 18 07:15:13 because I HAVE A CAR THATS NOT ANCIENT Jan 18 07:15:21 lol Jan 18 07:15:44 older then the brown album Jan 18 07:16:57 oil: my son wonders why everyone's TV can't pause Jan 18 07:17:03 haha Jan 18 07:17:06 see Jan 18 07:17:16 LOL Jan 18 07:17:19 * halfhalo has had a dvr since he was 7 Jan 18 07:17:32 REAL MEN SKIP COMMERCIALS Jan 18 07:17:37 halfhalo: so 5 years so far? Jan 18 07:17:39 except during the super bowl Jan 18 07:17:45 more like 1 Jan 18 07:17:45 lol Jan 18 07:17:47 * oil doesnt see or skip commercials Jan 18 07:17:48 lol rwhitby Jan 18 07:17:56 torrented tv shows dont have them Jan 18 07:18:03 oh CRAP Jan 18 07:18:03 and a feed reader means they download automatically :) Jan 18 07:18:09 thats even MORE effort Jan 18 07:18:13 it just happens Jan 18 07:18:17 it does not sound legal oil? Jan 18 07:18:20 i haven't tended to my feed reader in 4 almost a month Jan 18 07:18:23 probably not Jan 18 07:18:32 * mugen- palmsmacks Jan 18 07:18:36 * halfhalo watches shows off his dvr on his computer Jan 18 07:18:41 i keep the feed reading filter pretty pruned Jan 18 07:18:47 and look at the feeds every so often for new stuff Jan 18 07:18:51 to add Jan 18 07:19:00 god damnit Jan 18 07:19:13 * halfhalo has directv Jan 18 07:19:32 i'm sorry. Jan 18 07:19:46 I have a bazillion channels Jan 18 07:19:52 me too :D Jan 18 07:20:01 on a really phat cable pipe Jan 18 07:20:06 bah Jan 18 07:20:09 used to have cable Jan 18 07:20:26 docsis3 ftw Jan 18 07:20:43 cable modem from 03 ftw Jan 18 07:21:13 yeah, i think my last cable modem was about that old Jan 18 07:21:25 from 02-10 or something Jan 18 07:21:33 those things freaking last Jan 18 08:07:37 ttfn Jan 18 08:24:42 hey Roy-Pre101... I saw your Ares tutorial in Smart Developer Jan 18 08:37:23 dohtem: You're one up on me! I haven't seen it yet. How was the article? Jan 18 08:42:01 pretty good. read it at Barnes and Noble this afternoon Jan 18 08:42:25 was suprised to see a name I recognized :) Jan 18 09:01:19 I guess I should go look for one. I asked about an author copy. Jan 18 09:01:25 I've got one planned for the next issue. Jan 18 09:01:43 Be nice if they paid me, too. Jan 18 11:52:48 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple Jan 18 12:36:19 afternoon Jan 18 13:04:51 crickets **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 14:13:58 2011 Jan 18 14:14:40 Problem in connecting the PALM pre with my computer. Jan 18 14:17:24 I had a dream last night Jan 18 14:21:09 in that dream I was at the HP Feb 9 event Jan 18 14:21:19 and they had webOS running on big 17" laptops Jan 18 14:37:24 funkatron: i don't get the use-case of webos on a laptop/netbook (basically anything with a mouse) Jan 18 14:37:52 yeah I don't either Jan 18 14:37:54 well Jan 18 14:38:01 touchscreen + keyboard, maybe Jan 18 14:43:04 but then it's a tablet? Jan 18 14:43:27 i don't see myself tapping on something that is not lying flat Jan 18 14:43:34 e.g a netbook screen Jan 18 14:43:53 either tablet+touch or netbook+mouse+kb Jan 18 14:47:35 Hello Sir, I have got palm pre with webOS 20 Jan 18 14:47:36 not able to enable developers mode http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639&Itemid=19#InstallingEclipsewiththeSDK-dev_mode follwed this link. but I don't know what is the phone app I recieved palm yesterday plz help Jan 18 14:50:55 a pre2? Jan 18 14:52:19 yes sir Jan 18 14:53:33 I've not tried it on the Pre2 yet Jan 18 14:53:42 (will mine come today? WHO KNOWS?) Jan 18 14:54:05 swisstomcat: yeah, it's a tablet + a keyboard. basically like the ipad dock. which admittedly isn't my cup of tea Jan 18 14:54:28 yeah, i can't see it … not that i tried it tho Jan 18 14:54:33 also every netbook I've ever used and a terrible touchpad Jan 18 14:54:45 and? I meant "has" Jan 18 14:56:41 rohit90: you followed the webos 2.0 steps? did you try the old (1.4.5) way (webos20090606) .. i think i used that one on my pre2 Jan 18 15:02:17 Can you please tell me how to enable developers mode on pre? Jan 18 15:02:35 Guest_810_: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639&Itemid=19#InstallingEclipsewiththeSDK-dev_mode Jan 18 15:02:50 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Jan 18 15:02:56 :D Jan 18 15:02:58 sir foe webOS2.0 Jan 18 15:03:03 for* Jan 18 15:03:05 ^^ Jan 18 15:03:24 not sure, mine was already in dev mode when I got it Jan 18 15:03:25 I dnt know what is the Phone app Jan 18 15:03:38 my eclipse doesn't detect the phone Jan 18 15:03:43 the app you use to dial numbers. Jan 18 15:03:59 I think you may have larger issues, but enabling dev mode does not require eclipse at all Jan 18 15:04:23 yeah Jan 18 15:04:29 webos20090606 should work on any phone Jan 18 15:49:29 yo Jan 18 15:50:17 yo-yo Jan 18 15:50:30 what's new in webos world Jan 18 15:50:46 no clue, I've been out of touch for a few weeks Jan 18 15:50:58 2/9 is the big Enyo day, hopefully Jan 18 15:51:05 same here Jan 18 15:51:05 I'm quite tired of waiting for it, actually Jan 18 15:51:14 yep Jan 18 15:51:20 i almost finished paintr pro Jan 18 15:51:25 sweet Jan 18 15:51:30 and then realized how many hoops i had to jump through to get file saving Jan 18 15:51:35 heh Jan 18 15:51:36 if enyo isn't out then, I will stomp on people Jan 18 15:51:37 and lost all motivation Jan 18 15:53:03 I've been doing a couple of apps for other people here and there...and then this yahoo wants an official catalog app that can do birthday/anniversary reminders for all contacts...I've tried to explain the impossibility, but I'm not sure if they understand Jan 18 16:16:13 yeah, contacts are definitely a pain at the moment :) Jan 18 16:26:37 bbl Jan 18 16:40:01 * halfhalo yawns Jan 18 16:46:47 Roy-Pre101: http://i.imgur.com/bwDkW.jpg :) Jan 18 16:47:50 and http://i.imgur.com/lgtjf.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/nTQpw.jpg Jan 18 16:47:58 what is that Jan 18 16:48:29 he had an Ares tutorial published Jan 18 16:51:40 not bad Jan 18 16:51:44 what publication Jan 18 17:01:34 I am not sure how much new interest has been renewed as of yet, but very good Jan 18 17:02:12 * halfhalo is to tired to work today Jan 18 17:06:02 codeslaw: Smart Developer Magazine. Jan 18 17:06:08 cool Jan 18 17:06:10 dohtem: How were the other articles? Jan 18 17:17:35 Roy-Pre101: didnt really read the others, just kinda flipped through the pages Jan 18 17:23:48 Roy-Pre101: heh, just noticed its their very first issue. Jan 18 17:45:10 hey, whatever happened to the custom touchstones for the wor hackathon? Jan 18 18:13:09 sugardave: Wish I knew. Jan 18 18:13:15 A little sad about that. Jan 18 18:15:46 god dammit sprint Jan 18 18:16:02 $10/mo premium for new smartphone activations now Jan 18 18:16:02 wtf Jan 18 18:16:18 does "unlimited data plan" not mean anything Jan 18 18:18:42 nope Jan 18 18:21:13 The 10 dollars is what makes it unlimited Jan 18 18:21:22 otherwise you will fail to connect ;) Jan 18 18:24:47 sigh...the sooner we can turn them into bit-pipes the better Jan 18 19:14:09 whoa! http://www.precentral.net/palmpad-render-leaked-9-inch-topaz-and-7-inch-opal Jan 18 19:14:21 that's sexy Jan 18 19:14:39 evening Jan 18 19:14:46 hey swisstomcat Jan 18 19:14:54 hey hotdp Jan 18 19:18:00 i am nearly sencha meister :P Jan 18 19:20:28 cool Jan 18 19:20:36 we're not using a gui framework yet Jan 18 19:20:52 Oki Jan 18 19:20:56 Framework? Jan 18 19:21:04 diagrams? Jan 18 19:21:09 work flow? Jan 18 19:21:35 I really love to create mobile apps and get paid for it :D Jan 18 19:21:37 the only framework so far is jquery Jan 18 19:21:42 :S Jan 18 19:21:45 oki Jan 18 19:21:52 normal jquery? Jan 18 19:23:17 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/16/apple_expected_to_pack_ultrafast_dual_core_sgx543_graphics_into_ipad_2_iphone_5.html crazy ! Jan 18 19:23:34 yeah, stock jquery Jan 18 19:23:51 On a mobile platform? Jan 18 19:23:58 yeah Jan 18 19:24:05 tablets and phones, mobile web and app Jan 18 19:24:23 but why? it takes care of IE6 and stuff not needed at all? Jan 18 19:24:50 it's for desktop web too Jan 18 19:24:56 IE7+ Jan 18 19:45:40 http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/exclusive-hp-palms-webos-tablets-pictures-plans-and-mor/ <- whoa Jan 18 19:46:21 I'll trade my iPad for one Jan 18 19:47:09 really disappointed by the Sept 2011 release though. Hopefully that isn't accurate. Jan 18 19:47:47 yeah, they look awesome Jan 18 19:48:05 But, building a quality competitor to the iPad from scratch surely isn't an easy feat (as evidenced by the shitty Android tablets out there now). So, I'll give them a free pass if it actually can compete it quality. Jan 18 19:48:24 it=in Jan 18 19:49:27 But really, everything before the Moto Xoom doesn't count Jan 18 19:49:33 (android-wise) Jan 18 19:49:58 dohtem: way too late, September is far away, my only hope for HPalm was that the surprise in Feb was imminent release of newly announced devices Jan 18 19:50:05 I am also really bummed to see Sprint isn't on their carrier list Jan 18 19:50:14 besides all that, the device is beautiful Jan 18 19:50:25 the landscape/portrait stereo is a nice touch Jan 18 19:51:54 if enyo isn't out by now, how are apps or the tablet supposed to be available before june? Jan 18 19:52:12 this is opel Jan 18 19:52:24 maybe sprint will get topaz Jan 18 19:52:28 radiofreejohn: September for the 4g enabled Opal. Topaz could be sooner Jan 18 19:52:34 and say 2/10 Jan 18 19:52:43 destinal: fingers crossed Jan 18 19:52:49 thanks for pointing that out Jan 18 19:52:54 I really do want to be optimistic :) Jan 18 19:52:57 if they dont launch soon, its only gonna hurt hp here Jan 18 19:53:06 the waiting is maddening Jan 18 19:53:20 besides tablets, my third Palm Pre is getting dusty, I hope the Topaz comes with a new smartphone Jan 18 19:53:40 not much point integrating those sleek tablets with a dusty old phone Jan 18 19:53:55 http://www.precentral.net/hp-palmpad-leak-hints-webos-features-come-call-forwarding-to-slate-app-sharing Jan 18 19:53:55 swisstomcat: are the tablets going to be strictly Enyo? Jan 18 19:54:06 i think so, dohtem Jan 18 19:54:17 I am looking forward to Enyo as well Jan 18 19:54:26 kind of bummed it is not in developers hands, another hint that release of devices is not imminent Jan 18 19:54:27 i am not sure why we would need a new sdk for bigger devices Jan 18 19:54:28 although some of my mojo apps shouldn't be too shabby on a tablet Jan 18 19:54:35 RIM released PlayBook SDK less than a month after announcing the device Jan 18 19:54:44 apparently they didnt plan well as if these are web pages then they should scale accordingly Jan 18 19:55:06 bigger device means new layouts Jan 18 19:55:09 radiofreejohn: Have you noticed that all the world's new capacitive touchscreen tablets seem to look like ipad? Jan 18 19:55:23 CTLAdvance: mojo framework doesn't handle CSS percentages well, in my experience Jan 18 19:55:33 CTLAdvance: it's faster/easier to use fixed size, so I can see a lot of developers falling back on that Jan 18 19:55:35 eh Jan 18 19:55:49 destinal: and fish have fins :) Jan 18 19:55:57 destinal: it's a UI/UX design coincidence Jan 18 19:56:10 radiofreejohn, its also very easy to get the screen size and scale accordingly Jan 18 19:56:22 as a dev Jan 18 19:56:29 CTLAdvance: for the overall page yeah but not always with inline elements within lists etc.. Jan 18 19:56:39 radiofreejohn: you mean just because black is a senisible color and making the whole front just a screen with black borders makes them all look the same? Jan 18 19:56:56 black is a good contrasting color for a bevel Jan 18 19:57:06 and it suits the gesture area from the previous Pre/Pixi Jan 18 19:57:18 so that leds can go under it for visual feedback Jan 18 19:57:45 "forward calls and text messages while your phone charges, seamlessly move app and content experiences from phone or PC to slate" Jan 18 19:57:58 But really if they wait until june/july for wifi and later for sooner, I would say that most will already be on a comprable tablet, playbook, or motorola, or ipad 2 which if the leaks are correct will print money Jan 18 19:58:24 swiss, where is this from Jan 18 19:58:32 from the latest precentral article Jan 18 19:58:35 check link above Jan 18 19:58:40 (precentral is slow) Jan 18 19:58:43 wonder why :) Jan 18 19:58:44 swisstomcat: not a big step, considering the device already syncs to the cloud Jan 18 19:58:53 is it feb 9th yet damnit? Jan 18 19:58:54 swisstomcat: still cool Jan 18 19:59:07 b0bben_: maybe we can get a taste after Sprint's Feb 7th announcement Jan 18 19:59:33 Update: We're also apparently looking at 1.2GHz processors and, thankfully, it appears the 9" Topaz "may arrive before Opal." Jan 18 19:59:46 It would be nice for sprint to announce a topaz to go with our Pre- Jan 18 19:59:48 i hope so...that pad looks like i imagined it would...sexy like hell Jan 18 19:59:48 june sounds about realistic Jan 18 20:00:00 CTLAdvance: it would be pretty pointless to pair such a nice device with the Pre- Jan 18 20:00:10 I know it Jan 18 20:00:10 fingers crossed they go Topaz and a new phone Jan 18 20:00:21 that would keep me off of Android Jan 18 20:00:35 the new phone could be the pixi 2 Jan 18 20:00:37 if they don't have a new phone at least announced come Feb, then I gotta jump ship :( Jan 18 20:00:39 It would make sense for sprint to launch a new device 2/9 and hp come and explain it and everything else on 2/10 Jan 18 20:00:40 i hope for a super-phone Jan 18 20:01:00 CTLAdvance: it wouldn't just make sense, they have to do it with the iPhone 4 coming to Verizon a few days after Jan 18 20:01:02 i'm pretty happy with my pre2 tho Jan 18 20:01:18 radiofreejohn - If they dont launch before June, most will jump ship Jan 18 20:01:25 CTLAdvance: absolutely Jan 18 20:01:29 6/6/2009 is when the first people started 2 year contracts Jan 18 20:01:48 CTLAdvance: not to mention that sprint will usually let you re-up after a year Jan 18 20:02:01 every time my Pre breaks they have offered me an android phone Jan 18 20:02:15 Swisstomcat - The Pre 2 is what the Pre- should have been, but its not enough to compete esp when you have an iphone next to it on verizon Jan 18 20:02:21 IIRC, Sprint has 20-month contracts, not 24-month contracts. Jan 18 20:02:25 I wonder if this is why it wasnt launched Jan 18 20:02:30 At least that's what I have Jan 18 20:02:30 eh Jan 18 20:02:35 so bleeding begins now Jan 18 20:02:40 or 2/10 Jan 18 20:02:48 unfortunately a single phone still doesn't solve the real problem Jan 18 20:02:54 iPhone users get a new device every year Jan 18 20:02:55 ctladvance: i agree, they need a better high-end phone Jan 18 20:03:00 dgathright, mine goes out 2 years :/ Jan 18 20:03:14 then again maybe the 20 month is something new Jan 18 20:03:18 so even if you stick around you are still looking at a year of usage where you are behind the curve, no matter what Jan 18 20:03:24 even if you claw yourself back to the surface Jan 18 20:03:32 hah, interesting, 20 months from the Pre 1 launch is when all the announcements occur. Didn't put all that together yet. Jan 18 20:04:39 in other words, you can look forward to not getting another phone until 20 months after Feb :P Jan 18 20:05:11 put into perspective, that is Oct 2012, iPhone 6 time :) Jan 18 20:06:32 what ever they launch on Verizon needs to be just as good as iPhone 4 and 5 Jan 18 20:06:43 I expect vzw to launch IOS5 with ATT later this year Jan 18 20:07:52 i don't get the obsession with carriers (well, except in the US) Jan 18 20:08:13 thats because the us is weird Jan 18 20:08:13 i'll just get the wifi model and tether it to my phone Jan 18 20:08:30 swisstomcat: we are backwards here Jan 18 20:08:34 and i buy my phone unlocked and unsubsidised, thank you Jan 18 20:09:11 great for you, paying full price to not be the slave of one carrier Jan 18 20:09:23 :) Jan 18 20:09:52 i rather pay full price than being a slave Jan 18 20:10:21 I am interested to see how wifi only tabs will sell, when you can go and buy ones that are already on 3/4G and just have a different logo/front end Jan 18 20:10:29 swisstomcat: plus all our networks are different. I don't think any phone does voice + 3G data on more than one carrier Jan 18 20:10:56 but you have gsm carriers too, don't you? at&t? Jan 18 20:11:11 t-mobile Jan 18 20:11:11 AT&T and Tmobile use different bands for 3G Jan 18 20:11:15 ATT is biggest, TMo is garbage outside of metropolitan areas Jan 18 20:11:17 crap Jan 18 20:11:35 Unlocked Quadband phones that support what ever the funky tmo band is work on both carriers Jan 18 20:11:43 which are overpriced and hard to find Jan 18 20:11:46 iirc, only the samsung Vibrant so far can use both Jan 18 20:11:47 yeah Jan 18 20:12:11 But CDMA has clearer more secure calls still Jan 18 20:12:27 just not open on phones being able to switch Jan 18 20:14:29 swisstomcat: are you saying taplets, mobile phones AND IE7+ pc's ? Jan 18 20:14:53 hotdp: yeah :) Jan 18 20:15:07 desktop web, mobile web and apps Jan 18 20:15:21 all with the same codebase Jan 18 20:18:31 speaking of the mobile web Jan 18 20:18:59 i'm building an AIR app for desktops that let's you open any number of phone-framed web browers Jan 18 20:19:13 that you can synchronize to each other Jan 18 20:19:25 to use for previewing mobile web designs in the context of a handset Jan 18 20:19:37 coo Jan 18 20:19:38 l Jan 18 20:19:49 clicking links in one window can be synched so that all the phones follow Jan 18 20:19:58 when is the playbook supposed to be out? Jan 18 20:20:11 it's for the ad agency i work at, but we're going to release it to the public Jan 18 20:20:18 dunno about playbook Jan 18 20:20:45 has anyone played with the webworks sdk? looks like an air app that has a webview Jan 18 20:21:18 swisstomcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_PlayBook -- It says "early 2011" Jan 18 20:21:20 webworks is for BB also? Jan 18 20:21:29 yeah Jan 18 20:21:37 well, not the air part i think Jan 18 20:23:48 hey, you can get a free Playbook if you qualify... Jan 18 20:24:09 yeah Jan 18 20:24:32 if porting is reasonable, i might give it a shot Jan 18 20:24:59 What are you planning to port over? Jan 18 20:25:31 ever done flash work? Jan 18 20:25:56 nope Jan 18 20:26:11 i'd "port" any of my webos apps Jan 18 20:26:43 the sketchpad example looks really straigth-forward Jan 18 20:26:50 just html/css/js Jan 18 20:27:03 wonder about the hardware/data interfaces tho Jan 18 20:27:17 i'm curious about the native UI framework in actionscript Jan 18 20:27:27 qnx extensions Jan 18 21:38:00 wtf happened to "Q1 2011" ? :( Jan 18 21:39:11 i'll tell you what happened Jan 18 21:39:39 go on... Jan 18 21:39:40 but you'll have to wait until Q3 2011 to hear it Jan 18 21:39:44 :P Jan 18 21:40:02 now I'm more than slightly miffed Jan 18 21:40:04 tell you "in the coming months" :) Jan 18 21:40:10 HP are muppets Jan 18 21:40:40 well, 8 months to rebuild the tablet fund, I guess Jan 18 21:40:46 still bogus as hell Jan 18 21:43:42 ya i was expecting a product launch by march Jan 18 21:44:35 im not business expect but surely its a no brainer if you've got a winning product on your hand and loads of money to throw developers, staff and pots of money in to making sure it is first out the gate Jan 18 21:44:59 not good at grammar either, look at me spelling mistakes :) Jan 18 21:45:37 heh Jan 18 21:45:38 True... but if you are in for the long haul, you want to get it right. Theres no point rushing to the market with half baked products. Jan 18 21:46:14 totally dohtem, but more hands to the pump often helps achieve that Jan 18 21:46:32 sucks to wait but I kinda get it Jan 18 21:46:47 if that's iPad2 time, the webOS tablet had better be smokingly awesome Jan 18 21:46:50 hopefully come june/sept they'll have a slick, quality product Jan 18 21:47:20 even then its how they market it, not neccessaryily how good the product is Jan 18 21:47:25 just look at the ipad Jan 18 21:48:06 its not really the best, it just happens to be niche in the market and marketed to nth degree Jan 18 21:48:48 heh, as long as they dont market it to moms again Jan 18 21:49:07 Via Engadget: "Update: We're told that they both have unspecified 1.2GHz processors, and that Topaz may arrive before Opal. We'll let you know if we learn anything else." Jan 18 21:49:14 yer, groaned at that completely dohtem Jan 18 21:49:17 So, hopefully we get one in the next few months Jan 18 21:49:21 ballsed that up completely Jan 18 21:49:33 hope so dgathright Jan 18 21:49:46 "hope in one hand, shit in the other...see which one fills up first" Jan 18 21:49:53 lmao Jan 18 21:49:53 truth Jan 18 21:50:15 ive got to buy the missus a tablet if she passes her driving test - might be forced to get an ipad if the palmpad isnt out lol Jan 18 21:50:25 IIRC, hp reps were talking about releasing new devices every couple of months this year Jan 18 21:50:27 Am kinda surprised to see HP & Palm on the back. Figured they'd be getting rid of the Palm brand about now. Jan 18 21:50:39 codeslaw: yes, I recall that, too Jan 18 21:51:02 dgathright: iirc, Palm brand will remain on the hardware. Jan 18 21:51:04 they'll likely use the Palm brand to indicate a specific subset of their hardware Jan 18 21:51:14 e.g. Voodoo Jan 18 21:51:16 superset :P Jan 18 21:51:16 but webOS has been rebranded as HPs Jan 18 21:51:18 yer Jan 18 21:51:35 resounds in the mind that palm means mobile device Jan 18 21:51:55 dohtem: i think they did that so they can chuck it across other devices like they were on about Jan 18 21:52:02 well webOS won't be confined to the consumer space Jan 18 21:52:19 couldnt really brand palm webos on a printer now cos it doesnt make sense in the brand mind Jan 18 21:52:49 and a netbook? they probably want to associate with HP laptops Jan 18 21:52:51 howdy everyone Jan 18 21:52:57 hey Tibfib Jan 18 21:53:07 hi Tibfib Jan 18 21:53:09 hey Tibfib, welcome to #speculation Jan 18 21:53:10 more than likely Loudergood, its how it makes sense in my mind Jan 18 21:53:12 so everyone's talking about the engadget leaks? Jan 18 21:53:23 but my mind is full of shit half the time so who knows :) Jan 18 21:53:28 yer Tibfib Jan 18 21:53:30 I woke up from naplunch to discover the horrible news, yeah Jan 18 21:53:48 horrible? the fact that it's leaked, or the the info itself? Jan 18 21:54:04 the info itself....been remembering "Q1 2011" Jan 18 21:54:13 oh, yeah.. kinda sucks Jan 18 21:54:27 but dang, that tablet looks sexy Jan 18 21:54:29 yeah, but there's nothing I can do about it now :D Jan 18 21:54:41 * Tibfib hopes 9inch has "premium" audio too Jan 18 21:54:44 heh, they'll string us along till April Fools 2012. Then Palm goes, "gotcha suckas!" Jan 18 21:55:09 the PalmPad...is a lie? :( Jan 18 21:55:17 * Tibfib is glad Jan 18 21:55:21 topaz is a cool name Jan 18 21:55:26 opal is decent Jan 18 21:55:34 imo, of course Jan 18 21:55:52 those are precious stones, right? Jan 18 21:55:57 semi Jan 18 21:56:31 Should announce the "Pyrite" on April Fools Day. Jan 18 21:57:02 heh Jan 18 21:57:04 Palm Unobtanium Jan 18 21:57:07 lol Jan 18 21:57:12 haha Jan 18 21:58:20 from the PC comment section Jan 18 21:58:21 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/webos-the-other-smartphonetablet-linux/8090?tag=nl.e539 Jan 18 21:58:29 basically my sentiments Jan 18 21:59:04 * maik kicks Sprint in the face Jan 18 21:59:50 codeslaw: that's how you feel? Jan 18 22:00:07 not entirely Jan 18 22:00:16 i disagree that webos is just "another linux based OS" Jan 18 22:00:35 but i agree that the splash it will make is going to be again overshadowed by apple/android Jan 18 22:00:49 especially with 8 months worth of mindshare erosion Jan 18 22:01:56 TABLEEEEEEEEETS Jan 18 22:02:11 yeah september feels way too late Jan 18 22:02:21 and now that feb 9 presentation feels way too early Jan 18 22:02:36 yeah, something's not right about that Jan 18 22:03:00 like what are they gonna say this tablet is coming out with these specs and then in 7 months ipad and the android army wrecks their shit? Jan 18 22:03:17 or are they gonna announce specless, and adapt as the 7 months pass? Jan 18 22:03:24 or Jan 18 22:03:28 ...not announce a tablet? Jan 18 22:03:55 you're a torch! Jan 18 22:04:18 ! Jan 18 22:04:30 september is way too late for first release, unless it's dress to the freaking 9s Jan 18 22:04:37 yeah I mean Jan 18 22:04:41 this thing better be made of unicorn tears Jan 18 22:04:46 seriously Jan 18 22:04:53 there's gotta be Jan 18 22:04:55 some sort of Jan 18 22:05:03 new business strategy Jan 18 22:05:09 more importantly though, i'm probably jumping the Sprint ship if they don't get any new webOS devices Jan 18 22:05:11 that makes 7 months in electronics months seem like 5 minutes Jan 18 22:05:17 this $10/mo smartphone shit is ridonkulous Jan 18 22:05:20 yeah Jan 18 22:05:29 well I don't really get a choice, it's not my plan Jan 18 22:05:32 the only strategy that comes close to that is pre-orders Jan 18 22:05:33 but god dammit sprint Jan 18 22:05:43 the only other carrier I like is t mobile except they're also android central :/ Jan 18 22:05:53 pre-orders scream vaporware Jan 18 22:05:59 i feel like that with Sprint now Jan 18 22:06:15 well t mo straight up doesn't have palm products Jan 18 22:06:23 http://i.a-13.net/slash000_fudigg.jpg Jan 18 22:06:27 pre orders ;) Jan 18 22:06:46 dang. I may have fallen in love with carbon Jan 18 22:07:02 hah Jan 18 22:07:08 carbon? Jan 18 22:07:14 new twitter app Jan 18 22:07:15 osx? Jan 18 22:07:16 oh Jan 18 22:07:18 is that on webos Jan 18 22:07:42 yep Jan 18 22:07:56 Loudergood: heh, they should give him one free for holding on to that receipt this long Jan 18 22:07:57 the dev has thought thru things WONDERFULLY Jan 18 22:08:19 * torchie DWOANLOAD Jan 18 22:08:30 yeah seriously how do you hold a receipt for that long Jan 18 22:08:39 * Tibfib has receipts from 06 Jan 18 22:08:50 Hoarder! Jan 18 22:08:58 I can't even trust myself to keep track of big pieces of paper for more than 3 months Jan 18 22:09:10 nah, just have a post it board I NEVER use. I stick receipts up there Jan 18 22:09:19 can't find carbon in catalog Jan 18 22:09:20 preware? Jan 18 22:09:29 beta only Jan 18 22:09:43 man, touchstone Jan 18 22:09:49 charges slower and keeps the screen on Jan 18 22:09:55 still i love you so Jan 18 22:11:45 There's 2 things webOS has a lot of. Quality twitter apps and "free hot girls" apps Jan 18 22:12:49 book spps? Jan 18 22:13:38 ah those too Jan 18 22:14:06 derp Jan 18 22:14:08 applible Jan 18 22:14:11 derplible Jan 18 22:14:20 don't forget brighthouse labs Jan 18 22:14:22 seriously, lots of good twitter apps Jan 18 22:14:33 how are they in comparison to ios twitter apps Jan 18 22:14:42 iOS has the official twitter app Jan 18 22:15:14 dont know anything about it, i'm not a tweeter myself Jan 18 22:15:17 yeah but how does that compare to the third parties Jan 18 22:16:07 is it in palm beta? Jan 18 22:23:36 GUYS NEW THEORY. Jan 18 22:24:04 these leaked images are all a ploy to throw us off Jan 18 22:24:13 both the 9 inch and the 7 inch Jan 18 22:24:26 so then when the announcement comes they can BLOW OUR MINDS Jan 18 22:25:15 hopefully Jan 18 22:26:55 CURVEBALL check it out guys this tablet is 8.5X11, weighs 5 ounces, is made of the metal used to make autobots, has 83 cameras, makes your coffee, and is coming out in FIVE MINUTES Jan 18 22:27:12 five minutes instead of now, because we're palm and we're powerful and we like to make you wait Jan 18 22:28:36 and then cancer will be cured and the sadness will be eradicated and florida will be #1 in the world in mathematics education Jan 18 22:29:29 you lost me at Florida and math Jan 18 22:29:34 you almost had me believeing until FL Jan 18 22:29:37 haha Jan 18 22:29:39 :) Jan 18 22:31:42 curses, i always lose them at florida Jan 18 22:45:56 Man... September 2011? :C Jan 18 22:55:24 i think we're misinterpreting it... maybe the wifi only version comes out a lot sooner? :\ Jan 18 22:55:56 ...but maybe my gf is really a man who was an ape with really good plastic surgery. Jan 18 22:56:03 * mugen- shrugs Jan 18 22:56:22 Note that this is Opal Jan 18 22:56:27 Topaz may come out much sooner Jan 18 22:56:36 or not. hard to say at this point Jan 18 22:56:38 yeah, that too Jan 18 23:00:49 I'm not feeling very optimistic Jan 18 23:00:50 Even then, having that long to introduce a similar tablet with a smaller screen seems odd, don't you think? Jan 18 23:01:09 sugardave: me either :( Jan 18 23:01:39 Yeah I'm kind of getting a bit disappointed hearing this Jan 18 23:01:49 :( Jan 18 23:02:23 But it's for Opal, that's true. It's entirely possible that Topaz would come out long before that Jan 18 23:02:35 not likely tho Jan 18 23:02:45 Motorola wants to ship 800,000 Xooms in the first quarter this year, so it's like... Palm NEEDS to be on top of things Jan 18 23:02:48 also odd for something that far out to be set already Jan 18 23:02:59 we would have seen things like http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/067/626/large/move-content.jpg a long time before this one Jan 18 23:03:16 And shipping a tablet 8 months from now isn't really on top of things Jan 18 23:03:24 k... so i have an idea Jan 18 23:03:47 I don't know, mugen-, because even then we've been hearing more about Topaz and still haven't seen anything like that for it Jan 18 23:04:19 AT&T July 2012? really? Jan 18 23:04:32 yeah, but that's what i mean... one would think we would have seen some leak like that for the Topaz before now Jan 18 23:04:32 Loudergood: for LTE Jan 18 23:04:48 Loudergood: yeah, not so hot, huh? Jan 18 23:05:06 ATT 3G gets September, ATT LTE gets July 2012 Jan 18 23:05:19 can't launch an LTE tablet when they don't have an LTE network Jan 18 23:05:29 that's not necessarily true.. Jan 18 23:05:35 pointless though Jan 18 23:05:40 lol Jan 18 23:05:44 lil' bit Jan 18 23:06:13 mugen-: well, part of me wants to think that since this is listed as a "marketing update" that it may have gone off to more people within the company than the first, official marketing materials Jan 18 23:06:14 I had a point once, but then I got dull Jan 18 23:06:23 eg, gets out to someone who'd leak it Jan 18 23:06:27 and not someone on a core team Jan 18 23:06:38 aww, didn't see this one: Jan 18 23:06:39 http://www.precentral.net/sprint-adding-10-month-charge-data-new-smartphone-activations Jan 18 23:06:59 yeah... i hear ya Jan 18 23:07:02 yeah, that too Jan 18 23:07:21 yeah, go sprint! Jan 18 23:07:35 lame. Jan 18 23:08:02 yeah, it's way lame. 10$ more for 4G, sure, but then making 3G and 4G cost the same is REALLY DUMB Jan 18 23:08:25 aren't they now same price as vzw for comparable plans? Jan 18 23:08:33 no Jan 18 23:08:43 VZW plan is 69 for voice then 29 for data Jan 18 23:08:51 vzw is expensive.. Jan 18 23:08:53 I think now the Sprint one will be 79 Jan 18 23:09:02 sprint is 69 all inclusive? Jan 18 23:09:07 yup Jan 18 23:09:10 heh Jan 18 23:09:14 next month they are upping that by 10 Jan 18 23:09:15 supposedly Jan 18 23:09:19 what SineOt said :) Jan 18 23:09:19 ...well right Jan 18 23:09:27 i should read scrollback :P Jan 18 23:09:31 heh Jan 18 23:09:31 :D Jan 18 23:09:35 if only I had coverage here...at all Jan 18 23:09:44 it's vzw, att or nobody Jan 18 23:10:04 that's really the only reason i've held on to vzw forever. seriously no better coverage Jan 18 23:10:12 eh, Sprint will roam on VZW so :p Jan 18 23:10:19 which is...just weird Jan 18 23:10:46 SineOt: in most but not all scenarios Jan 18 23:11:04 ie: when that chunk of sprints network was down in the midwest not to long ago (or east coast) Jan 18 23:11:07 they get a little fed up with you if you do it all the time Jan 18 23:11:41 haeffb_pre: got Sprint to send him an Airave or something so he could get Sprint network at his house Jan 18 23:12:13 oh damn... i totally forgot about that too dave Jan 18 23:12:30 if you moan to the right people it's usually a free deal too, right? Jan 18 23:12:34 yep Jan 18 23:12:46 so I hear Jan 18 23:12:58 hmm Jan 18 23:12:59 I may try to do that for my parents if they move out to the old farm house where there is nothing Jan 18 23:14:08 yeah, just be sure you get the 3G one Jan 18 23:14:17 right :D Jan 18 23:14:37 wtf. Jan 18 23:14:42 wimax STILL not in arizona Jan 18 23:15:18 they rolled it out here Jan 18 23:15:22 what the hell is taking them so long? Jan 18 23:15:24 it's like 2-3x faster than our DSL it's lame Jan 18 23:15:34 wimax is available in the field across the street from my house Jan 18 23:15:39 lol Jan 18 23:16:33 sugardave: so get a bigger antenna? Jan 18 23:16:56 destinal: why, my Pre won't use it :D Jan 18 23:17:38 sure, big wimax antenna to a router connected to a wifi LAN? Jan 18 23:17:47 let the pre use wifi Jan 18 23:18:13 well, I have cable here in the house Jan 18 23:18:25 I think it's faster Jan 18 23:18:27 and then get a really big omni directional antenna setup and then you could make your own little wimax cell Jan 18 23:18:37 it'll be hybrid/wifi/wimax Jan 18 23:18:55 miniWISP Jan 18 23:19:05 you could call it hy-wimax-fi Jan 18 23:19:30 yeah, that's the spirit Jan 18 23:19:52 you might even be able to play 2-person DOOM over it Jan 18 23:22:18 nice Jan 18 23:24:13 sugardave: wimax can go up to 40mbit / second I imagine lots of people could play DOOM at the same time :) Jan 18 23:24:40 In use though it's closer to like 6-9mBps Jan 18 23:25:23 well, that's better than I would have thought Jan 18 23:26:01 I'm getting ~15mBps from the cable right now Jan 18 23:26:26 Yeah I was kind of blown away by how quick it was Jan 18 23:27:02 ...how quick wimax is? Jan 18 23:27:10 yeah Jan 18 23:27:13 * sugardave ponders how to set up a micro-pay system to let the neighbors use hy-wimax-fi. Jan 18 23:27:52 sugardave: ddwrt! Jan 18 23:27:55 has that all built in lol Jan 18 23:28:13 hmmm Jan 18 23:28:16 never used it Jan 18 23:30:07 oh man Jan 18 23:30:18 dd-wrt is absolutely awesome Jan 18 23:30:53 if you like tinkering with network topology and being able to do just about anything you can think of, dd-wrt is just tits Jan 18 23:30:59 I'm pretty sure I can put it on my router Jan 18 23:31:12 that's one area that I'm weak in, but it fascinates me Jan 18 23:31:21 yeah, if only it was as open as openwrt is...but it certainly is powerful Jan 18 23:33:01 i just love the advanced stuff you can do... vlaning, bridging, etc Jan 18 23:33:38 if anyone needs a WRT54... i have a box full, just send me postage :D Jan 18 23:33:51 hah Jan 18 23:33:55 which ones? Jan 18 23:34:05 passed my old one on to my parents Jan 18 23:34:37 most of them are GS but a couple are the GL and the other variant Jan 18 23:34:48 i think i have almost two dozen Jan 18 23:34:59 :o Jan 18 23:35:01 I have a gl Jan 18 23:35:04 I love that thing Jan 18 23:35:25 I need to get a better modem from Verizon Jan 18 23:35:38 can't get their crap box into bridge mode >:C Jan 18 23:39:07 where the fuck is my pre 2? Jan 18 23:39:15 funkatron: did you call hp? Jan 18 23:39:21 yes Jan 18 23:39:25 let me just call them Jan 18 23:39:30 hrmm Jan 18 23:39:31 * funkatron dials 411 Jan 18 23:39:36 I need the number for HP. Jan 18 23:39:42 it's in the confirmation email Jan 18 23:39:48 is it? Jan 18 23:39:56 I ordered it Jan 18 23:40:03 they said it would be here on the 17th, prob Jan 18 23:40:10 but no tracking info available Jan 18 23:40:23 yeah, happened to lots, myself included.. call em and they'll fix it Jan 18 23:40:31 really? Jan 18 23:40:31 huh Jan 18 23:40:42 so they just take your money and don't send it? Jan 18 23:40:49 yeah they kind of lose things in shipping a lot :p Jan 18 23:40:56 uhhhhhhh Jan 18 23:41:26 just contact them though and it'll get sorted out Jan 18 23:41:31 will do now Jan 18 23:41:43 and probably get sorted out with like next day shipping tossed in for bonuses Jan 18 23:42:34 yeah i paid for that 8) Jan 18 23:44:57 that chick was totally in India Jan 18 23:45:12 "Louisville" Jan 18 23:45:17 hah Jan 18 23:45:25 anyway they said it would ship tomorrow Jan 18 23:45:33 motherfuckers Jan 18 23:47:31 peas out people Jan 18 23:52:58 stabbystab Jan 18 23:53:12 uh oh Jan 18 23:53:31 you know it Jan 18 23:53:36 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/27512498336825344 Jan 18 23:54:13 oh tibfib, I have t yell at you about something when I get home Jan 18 23:54:28 halfhalo: mmkay Jan 18 23:54:57 grrr subway takes to long Jan 18 23:55:52 HOTTTOTOATHOATH Jan 18 23:56:00 the 8.5x11 is dropping HARD Jan 18 23:56:04 so much autobot Jan 18 23:59:38 please blow my mind hp Jan 19 00:00:23 Tibfib: saw that, been looking for it Jan 19 00:01:32 hmm, has anyone messed with the fps attribute in spinners? Jan 19 00:01:46 there's an FPS attribute? Jan 19 00:01:48 is there one? :D Jan 19 00:02:07 set it to 1000fps! Jan 19 00:02:54 yeah, there is it. it doesn't work as simply as the docs say Jan 19 00:02:56 of cousre Jan 19 00:02:59 COURSE Jan 19 00:03:03 I am shocked Jan 19 00:03:05 truly Jan 19 00:03:09 I know, crazy Jan 19 00:03:18 luckily, I can check out the spinner source Jan 19 00:06:04 lol. "Think you saw the latest on Engadget? Think again." http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/227231392.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1295396213&Signature=OcBY5vGdVXMtwD4v%2FKHNkEyeuL8%3D Jan 19 00:06:19 that's awesome. Nice job HP Jan 19 00:07:19 it's like they're playing with me...I am not some kind of toy, you sick bastards! Jan 19 00:07:38 yeah, lol. hp/palm rocks! Jan 19 00:07:49 it's a good thing they responded Jan 19 00:15:56 ok, HP is awesome for that come back. Jan 19 00:16:41 haha Jan 19 00:18:04 http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/hp-calls-us-out-implies-its-got-even-better-scoops-at-february/ Jan 19 00:19:45 it's a veritable Baskin-Robbins Jan 19 00:20:31 lol Jan 19 00:20:41 we can only hope so Jan 19 00:21:43 was it emailed out to the press? Jan 19 00:21:44 I think I"m going to watch a horrible movie...something really bad Jan 19 00:21:54 I'm thinking Battlefield Earth Jan 19 00:21:59 I had a dream the other night that I was using a webOS tablet, and then switched devices, so I just hit a button (or something) and it transferred the entire state (browser tabs, apps open, etc...) to my phone. It was pretty badass. Seemless device transition. Jan 19 00:22:22 dgathright: I love that dream Jan 19 00:23:07 sugardave: Ninja Turtles 3 Jan 19 00:23:36 hmm Jan 19 00:23:40 or Police Academy: Misson to Moscow Jan 19 00:23:40 tough decision Jan 19 00:23:48 dgathright: for that you need phone with a slate dock Jan 19 00:24:28 destinal: OR!!! Jan 19 00:24:53 bluetooth. when you pair them, you can swipe something from one device to the next Jan 19 00:25:16 and it can use obex Jan 19 00:25:18 I facepalmed when I saw that netbook/phone dock thing...the touchpad area is clearly a better place to dock the phone.. Jan 19 00:26:02 Loudergood: use the phone as the touch surface and second screen? Jan 19 00:26:13 yes Jan 19 00:26:49 mostly likely you're going to use the storage that's built into the phone anyway, so you've got a little extra room in the chassis Jan 19 00:35:41 dohtem: I don't even think you'd need bluetooth. Just route the messages through the web (similar to Neato!). Regardless of connectivity method, would be easy to create as a dev. You have an open app representing one of your other devices, and when you drag & add another card to the stack (of that other app), it will transfer that card's state to your other device. Well, as long as those APIs are available (to inspect other cards on Jan 19 00:35:41 stack). Jan 19 01:10:39 oh, tablet leaks Jan 19 01:10:40 fun Jan 19 01:11:27 * oil cant wait to play with it Jan 19 01:12:26 lies Jan 19 01:12:39 * halfhalo is playing wiht obd stuffs Jan 19 01:14:04 http://dhtml5.com/ -- the end is near my friends. Jan 19 01:38:07 my car gets such crap mileage its not funny Jan 19 01:38:51 worse than my volvo and something is seriously wrong with it Jan 19 01:40:18 actually, its a tossup between wether my old 850 got worse mileage than this car Jan 19 01:40:21 what kind of whip you have halo? Jan 19 01:40:28 but i have a shiny obd usb thing to play with Jan 19 01:40:34 2003 awd v6 highlander Jan 19 01:40:44 ahaa Jan 19 01:40:51 found out it uses .4 gallons an hour idling with the ac Jan 19 01:40:59 lol Jan 19 01:42:17 you found this out...in january? Jan 19 01:42:49 not that it had crap mpg's but the .4g/h thing Jan 19 01:43:03 ugh... i just tried to switch out a broadcom wlan card in a notebook for an intel card. http://twitpic.com/3ray6n Jan 19 01:43:27 wtf. Jan 19 01:43:30 my 22 year old 740 gets about 20MPG and has no power either Jan 19 01:43:43 mugen-, lenovo notebook? Jan 19 01:43:46 oh that Jan 19 01:43:59 pavilion dm4 Jan 19 01:44:15 since when the hell did hp switch to whitelisted bios;s Jan 19 01:44:18 http://www.richud.com/HP-Pavilion-104-Bios-Fix/ Jan 19 01:44:31 they SHIP the fucking thing with an intel wlan option Jan 19 01:44:51 yeah, it works if you buy it from them...same shit from IBM/lenovo Jan 19 01:44:59 that's just wrong Jan 19 01:45:35 good god that's a lot of work just to swap the card out Jan 19 01:45:50 heh Jan 19 01:46:56 damn... beautiful '67 manta mirage just went for 20k at BJ Jan 19 01:48:07 btw... i think the 740 is epic. i think every teenager should be put in one of those for their first year of driving Jan 19 01:48:30 haha, especially in the snow Jan 19 01:48:43 enough metal to keep them safe... slow enough that they won't kill themselves or anyone else, and it's cheap as hell Jan 19 01:48:47 holds way too many people for a teenager though Jan 19 01:48:59 yeah, that's the only drawback Jan 19 01:49:09 it's a riot in the snow Jan 19 01:49:24 oh yeah Jan 19 01:49:31 not as bad as my mom's ranger with the fiberglass bed though Jan 19 01:49:49 impossible without putting it in 4wd Jan 19 01:49:59 remember that nasty ice storm on the east coast in 99 where people were without power for 3 weeks and there was inches thick of ice on everything? Jan 19 01:50:01 I'm a fan of the 850's/s/v70;s Jan 19 01:50:07 that's when i had my 740 Jan 19 01:50:22 * halfhalo hit the limiter in his 85- Jan 19 01:50:25 850 Jan 19 01:50:31 lol Jan 19 01:50:33 98? Jan 19 01:50:40 yeah, it might have been 98 Jan 19 01:50:51 yeah, I was in the center of it Jan 19 01:50:54 i just remember it was the last year or so i was in canada Jan 19 01:50:58 yeah, me too Jan 19 01:51:11 you in upper ny state? Jan 19 01:51:14 northern vt Jan 19 01:51:19 yea Jan 19 01:51:29 i lived in a town of 1200 people at the time Jan 19 01:51:39 they pulled in a local military outfit to help the community Jan 19 01:51:46 no power for 20 days Jan 19 01:52:07 that was the nastiest weather i think i've ever lived through Jan 19 01:52:12 yeah, we had it pretty bad and canada was a lot worse Jan 19 01:52:22 this is why i live in socal Jan 19 01:52:54 because it was 87f today. Jan 19 01:53:12 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=munster+ontario+canada&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.778911,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Munster,+Ottawa+Division,+Ontario,+Canada&ll=45.164943,-75.939689&spn=0.016007,0.038581&z=15 Jan 19 01:53:15 heh, it was -10f last night ;) Jan 19 01:53:16 that's where i lived at the time Jan 19 01:53:33 it was 76f today here too Jan 19 01:53:35 that is an incredibly dense village Jan 19 01:53:39 lol Jan 19 01:53:48 good ol' Munster Hamlet Jan 19 01:53:52 wasn't even a town Jan 19 01:54:14 looks like someone dropped a subdivision in the middle of nowhere Jan 19 01:54:14 didn't even have a gas station Jan 19 01:54:21 pretty much Jan 19 01:54:44 haha Jan 19 01:54:50 ...want the kicker Jan 19 01:55:03 they ONLY got broadband services in '03 Jan 19 01:55:11 no surprise Jan 19 01:55:37 14.4kbps us robotics ftw! Jan 19 01:55:49 probably with the phone lines that far out Jan 19 01:56:16 56k modems didn't even work because most of the houses and the telco infrastructure was rubbish Jan 19 01:56:23 the company I work for still has dialup customers Jan 19 01:56:42 they should be shot Jan 19 01:56:44 <1mbps internet should be illegal Jan 19 01:57:14 still people where the only other option is satellite Jan 19 01:57:48 then they should move Jan 19 01:57:52 anyone here have a copy of textual compiled in snow leopard? Jan 19 01:58:01 they can't even get our wireless, poor bastards Jan 19 01:58:33 yeah, that's not cool Jan 19 01:58:39 and that's got a roughly 20 mile radius Jan 19 01:58:44 they need to be taken out to the pasture Jan 19 01:58:58 ...i'm willing to bet there are plenty in the are Jan 19 01:59:00 area Jan 19 01:59:16 yeah Jan 19 02:02:06 anyone else here watch barrett jackson? Jan 19 02:02:34 nah, makes me jealous Jan 19 02:02:47 top gear though...I like that Jan 19 02:02:52 :) Jan 19 02:03:09 can't wait for the new uk episodes to start up Jan 19 02:03:20 the last two were awesome... Jan 19 02:03:27 yeah, they were Jan 19 02:03:42 i love when they come over to the states for "challenges" Jan 19 02:04:19 and the cars they had were so awesome. the Italia i seriously think is the greatest/prettiest/awesomest car of all time Jan 19 02:04:43 yeah it was Jan 19 02:06:17 i have to make enough money in my life to own either a vantage v12 or italia Jan 19 02:07:36 have fun with that Jan 19 02:07:47 ...i know :( Jan 19 02:58:59 fyi, this.controller.sceneName is the scene name.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 19 02:59:57 2011