**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 19 02:59:57 2011
Jan 19 03:57:08 * halfhalo is angry right now
Jan 19 03:57:23 <mugen-> what happened man?
Jan 19 03:57:39 <halfhalo> e3 is not mailing out badges this year
Jan 19 03:57:56 <mugen-> wtf, why?
Jan 19 03:58:01 <halfhalo> i don't know
Jan 19 03:58:06 <halfhalo> but i hate lines
Jan 19 03:58:07 <mugen-> url?
Jan 19 03:58:18 <halfhalo> its on their site
Jan 19 03:59:56 <mugen-> the faq doesn't say any of that
Jan 19 04:00:04 <mugen-> and it refers to 2011
Jan 19 04:00:21 <halfhalo> it shows up when you actually go to register
Jan 19 04:01:02 <mugen-> wait... "If you are registered and confirmed by April 25, 2011, and have a U.S. mailing address, you will receive your badge in the mail, and must pick-up your badge holder on-site."
Jan 19 04:01:24 <halfhalo> did you choose media or antendee
Jan 19 04:01:36 <mugen-> neither
Jan 19 04:01:41 <mugen-> http://www.e3expo.com/show-info/601/frequently-asked-questions/
Jan 19 04:01:45 <mugen-> it's just the general faq
Jan 19 04:02:05 <halfhalo> NEW THIS YEAR – Badges will not be mailed this year. All journalists and analysts must go to the on-site media registration area, in Petree Hall, at the Los Angeles Convention Center to pick up their badge beginning on Sunday, June 5 at 1:00 PM. Please see media registration hours below.
Jan 19 04:03:17 <mugen-> oh... well i've never registered as media
Jan 19 04:03:22 * halfhalo dies
Jan 19 04:03:24 <halfhalo> does
Jan 19 04:03:26 <mugen-> heh
Jan 19 04:03:28 <mugen-> why?
Jan 19 04:03:33 <halfhalo> because I dont want to pay
Jan 19 04:03:40 * mugen- rolls his eyes
Jan 19 04:03:54 <mugen-> small price to pay for not standing in line :p
Jan 19 04:03:57 <halfhalo> and media == free stuff^H^H^Hreview units
Jan 19 04:04:03 <mugen-> meh
Jan 19 04:04:43 * halfhalo has 3 tables coming for review
Jan 19 04:05:07 <mugen-> like i said, small price... :)
Jan 19 04:05:27 <mugen-> if the review mats are really to die for
Jan 19 04:06:17 <mugen-> we should meet up for some beers or something if you're down
Jan 19 04:06:50 <mugen-> ...i'll wave as i walk past you, while you stand in line
Jan 19 04:06:56 * mugen- ducks
Jan 19 04:07:28 <halfhalo> you go to e3?
Jan 19 04:08:34 <mugen-> yeah...
Jan 19 04:08:46 <halfhalo> do you pay to get in?
Jan 19 04:09:03 <mugen-> everytime i've ever gone, except twice i think?
Jan 19 04:09:13 <halfhalo> haaaaate
Jan 19 04:09:14 <mugen-> just depends on who i end up grouping with
Jan 19 04:11:35 * halfhalo grumbles about huge crowds
Jan 19 04:12:17 * mugen- rolls his eyes
Jan 19 04:12:48 <mugen-> think we'll see psp2?
Jan 19 04:12:56 <halfhalo> mebe
Jan 19 04:13:03 * halfhalo wants to see portal 2 again more
Jan 19 04:14:02 <mugen-> that's a brilliant looking game... but for whatever reason, i could never push myself to the end
Jan 19 04:14:13 <mugen-> think brains boiling
Jan 19 04:19:36 <mugen-> anyone here have any experience in structured cabling in a medical environment? requirements, standards, do's and don'ts, etc?
Jan 19 04:39:47 <oil_pre> don't: screw up
Jan 19 04:41:50 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 19 05:02:46 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 19 05:08:57 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Jan 19 05:09:10 <JenP> hi rod
Jan 19 05:09:29 <JenP> did you get caught in any of the flooding?
Jan 19 05:10:42 <rwhitby> JenP: nope, far away from me.
Jan 19 05:11:08 <JenP> oh  that's good. we have a vendor in Brisbane who had some issues
Jan 19 05:11:10 <dohtem> more speculation on webOS tablets - http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/01/18/hp.topaz.may.ship.as.soon.as.march/
Jan 19 05:11:38 <JenP> i can't wait to get one
Jan 19 05:12:25 <SineOt> Yeah, and I'm hoping that the Topaz in Q1 rumors are true and that the Opal in September is false
Jan 19 05:13:19 <bpadalino> announce 6 months in advance doesn't seem like a very good idea right about now, that's for sure
Jan 19 05:13:21 <SineOt> Q1 has been tossed around a ton for the tablets (or at least what I can assume is Topaz) and if they had something ready to debut at CES, that implies being a lot closer to launch than September
Jan 19 05:13:38 <SineOt> when Motorola announced the Xoom at CES and hopes to have it shipping by march
Jan 19 05:14:10 <qacat> what's aggravating? ares is not supported on my palm pre+ browser.
Jan 19 05:14:37 <SineOt> the Pre+ browser doesn't do java, so what did you expect? :p
Jan 19 05:16:15 <dohtem> hehe
Jan 19 05:18:32 * SineOt thinks that on device Ares will be the "wait until you see Enyo enabled Ares!" bombshell! :V
Jan 19 05:20:14 <destinal> SineOt: I don't think so.  I think the cool thing about enyo enabled ares is ares will be able to make just as good an enyo framework package as a developer can, no shim code that generates a dom in the app because enyo does all that for you
Jan 19 05:20:40 <qacat> saw a talk on enyo. still confused about it
Jan 19 05:20:53 <dohtem> Enyo is HP voodoo!
Jan 19 05:20:57 <dohtem> pun ftw!
Jan 19 05:21:33 <SineOt> destinal: yeah, that'd be cool, but on device would be cooler :p
Jan 19 05:21:36 <SineOt> especially on a tablet
Jan 19 05:21:48 <bpadalino> i am hoping to see some good hybrid-app documentation when the next release comes out ..
Jan 19 05:21:48 <qacat> !
Jan 19 05:22:42 <bpadalino> i also wonder if the hybrid apps will bring in more app developers who want to hide their "jewels"
Jan 19 05:23:09 <SineOt> You mean put all the ~magic~ out of sight?
Jan 19 05:23:27 <bpadalino> lots of tildes .. yes
Jan 19 05:40:01 <mattsmcnulty> enyo solves world hunger
Jan 19 05:40:14 <dpivs> hi gang
Jan 19 05:40:37 <dpivs> i haven't been here in a while, the place looks cleaned up.
Jan 19 05:41:50 <mattsmcnulty> I have one thing to say about today: fucking leaks. always wildly inaccurate (don't ask, will not comment), but such a pita
Jan 19 05:42:14 <SineOt> mattsmcnulty: they happen, but hey! at least it's getting picked up. someone out there cares
Jan 19 05:42:27 <dpivs> so who's going to the feb 9th event?
Jan 19 05:42:28 <mattsmcnulty> heh, we never have a problem with attention
Jan 19 05:42:33 <mattsmcnulty> not me!
Jan 19 05:42:36 <mattsmcnulty> ok, just kidding
Jan 19 05:42:48 <dpivs> ha
Jan 19 05:43:15 <SineOt> mattsmcnulty: I should say POSITIVE attention and not the "Palm death watch" sort, haha
Jan 19 05:43:18 <mattsmcnulty> actually, the evening event is just me and ruby talking
Jan 19 05:43:30 <SineOt> dpivs: I'm going to try to be there
Jan 19 05:43:36 <dpivs> i was thinking about getting a flight up there and not even bothering with a rental to get around cuz sf has all that public transport, any suggestions?
Jan 19 05:43:38 <mattsmcnulty> oh, we always get lots of positive attention - outsized for our relative size in the market
Jan 19 05:43:52 <mattsmcnulty> um, you would have to take a bus
Jan 19 05:44:03 <mattsmcnulty> because ft mason isn't really accessible via muni metro or bart
Jan 19 05:44:35 <mattsmcnulty> it is way in the northern edge of town which is fairly upscale and as a result resistant to much public transit
Jan 19 05:44:38 <dpivs> bus, yes, sounds good.  how about from sfo to the city, would i prob need to get a cab or does bart go out there?
Jan 19 05:44:41 <mattsmcnulty> but a cab would work
Jan 19 05:44:50 <mattsmcnulty> SFO to the city is easy on bart
Jan 19 05:45:00 <SineOt> I'd say BART as far as you can and then get a cab
Jan 19 05:45:05 <dpivs> SWEET, bart to the city, check!
Jan 19 05:45:29 <SineOt> I never realized how cheap cabs were until I took one in Vegas :B
Jan 19 05:45:38 <mattsmcnulty> takes about 30 min
Jan 19 05:45:45 <mattsmcnulty> cabs in SF are pretty pricey
Jan 19 05:46:05 <mattsmcnulty> from SFO to my house, which is pretty highway-accessible from the south, is like $40
Jan 19 05:46:17 <SineOt> how far is that though?
Jan 19 05:46:43 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: well, 21 days and you can disspell all the rumors and hearsay you like :)
Jan 19 05:47:16 <dpivs> i think they're cheap in vegas because maybe they're used a lot more?  and did you just go down the strip or way off?
Jan 19 05:47:21 <mattsmcnulty> don't remind me. some of us are not exactly planning weekends until after that
Jan 19 05:47:33 <SineOt> from McCarren to the Strip so, on strip
Jan 19 05:47:34 <mattsmcnulty> well vegas also has that airport that is practically on the strip
Jan 19 05:47:37 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: ouch - sorry to hear that .. don't work too hard
Jan 19 05:48:14 <bpadalino> what do they say .. work to live; don't live to work
Jan 19 05:48:18 <dpivs> can't wait to get some new hardware.
Jan 19 05:48:35 <bpadalino> sounds expensive :(
Jan 19 05:51:26 <dpivs> i was hoping to get a carpool of webos devs to go up there, but nobody seemed interested.
Jan 19 05:51:36 <SineOt> dpivs: where from?
Jan 19 05:51:44 <dpivs> orange county, below los angeles
Jan 19 05:51:48 <SineOt> heh
Jan 19 05:52:13 <SineOt> yeah I might be up for that, depends on how things go. Thinking of making it a vacation of sorts for myself and my girlfriend which makes carpooling a bit harder
Jan 19 05:52:26 <SineOt> since we might stay up there for a few days
Jan 19 05:52:29 <dpivs> SineOt, you're in socal?
Jan 19 05:52:43 <SineOt> yup, north Orange County... ish
Jan 19 05:52:54 <dpivs> no way.  i'm in north orange county.  buena park.
Jan 19 05:52:59 <SineOt> since technically it's LA county but the county line is like 4 houses down the block :p
Jan 19 05:53:11 <SineOt> small world :]
Jan 19 05:53:35 <dpivs> are you on the webos devs map?  you'll find me in cypress, guy labs.
Jan 19 05:54:51 <dpivs> i also run the socal webos developer's meetup, which is sadly kinda dead at the moment.
Jan 19 05:55:23 <SineOt> I had no idea one even existed
Jan 19 05:55:34 <dpivs> yeah, that might be part of the reason why nobody came, hahaha.
Jan 19 05:56:16 <SineOt> if you want to start it back up, I'm sure I could find the time to get out there :p
Jan 19 05:56:27 <dpivs> there's also one in la, but it seems to have been hijacked by some startup camp people that have little to do with webos.
Jan 19 05:56:52 <SineOt> hah, had no idea that one existed either! :p
Jan 19 05:57:46 <dpivs> yeah i want to start it up again.  prob only be able to run it on the weekend though since my work is in la.
Jan 19 05:58:21 <SineOt> nothin' wrong with weekends
Jan 19 05:59:25 <dpivs> last time was real discouraging, only one person showed up.  i think i scheduled it on some big game day or something too, so that was my mess up.
Jan 19 05:59:40 <SineOt> when was it? I'd have gone if I knew it existed!
Jan 19 05:59:42 <dpivs> here, check it out: http://www.meetup.com/socal-webOS-Developers/
Jan 19 06:00:33 <dpivs> yeah, me and this guy named Greg, he wrote the forward to one of the palm dev books I think, so it was cool chatting with him.
Jan 19 06:00:49 <SineOt> yeah I bet
Jan 19 06:02:11 <dpivs> i originally called it 'webos developers group' but then i realized it might sound like we actually made stuff, rather then just a meeting of webos devs.
Jan 19 06:02:16 <torchie> guys when I opened the app catalog it asked for the license agreement all over again and settings in some apps are completely gone
Jan 19 06:02:37 <dpivs> thats weird
Jan 19 06:02:42 <torchie> I'm afraid I'm gonna get undeservedly force rewiped by palm again
Jan 19 06:02:52 <torchie> is there any way I can prevent this
Jan 19 06:03:08 <SineOt> I've had that happen a few times, never really thought of it at all
Jan 19 06:03:13 <SineOt> I just kind of deal with it
Jan 19 06:03:24 <torchie> that's
Jan 19 06:03:27 <SineOt> dpivs: well hey, if you have another meet up, I'd go!
Jan 19 06:03:33 <torchie> unacceptable
Jan 19 06:04:27 <torchie> you meant the random force rewipes right
Jan 19 06:04:40 <torchie> because thisll be the third time
Jan 19 06:04:42 <SineOt> I meant where it just kind of forgets settings
Jan 19 06:04:45 <dpivs> SineOt, i'm pretty sure i'll start it up again after feb 9th.
Jan 19 06:04:49 <dpivs> we'll have tons to discuss.
Jan 19 06:04:53 <torchie> see that I can deal with
Jan 19 06:05:00 <dpivs> maybe some collaborative projects and stuff.
Jan 19 06:05:04 <torchie> "Logged out of palm profile" however
Jan 19 06:05:08 <torchie> intolerable
Jan 19 06:05:10 <SineOt> never had that happen
Jan 19 06:05:29 <torchie> cool so bad things always only happen to me
Jan 19 06:06:59 <SineOt> hey now :p
Jan 19 06:07:14 <SineOt> If you've lost settings again, and didn't get logged out of your profile, I've had that happen a lot
Jan 19 06:07:21 <SineOt> probably 4 or 5 times now
Jan 19 06:07:32 <torchie> right right
Jan 19 06:07:50 <torchie> no time to turn this into a victim-mentality existential rant
Jan 19 06:09:07 <torchie> it would be fantastic for this to happen in mission critical moments though
Jan 19 06:09:40 <SineOt> the settings never existed to begin with, it was a flawed perception of reality that has lead you to believe they existed at all; this so called "disappearance" is in fact only your mind waking from the dreaming state and facing the reality that they were never there to begin with...~
Jan 19 06:10:22 <torchie> dude man
Jan 19 06:10:26 <torchie> the matrix
Jan 19 06:10:48 <torchie> inception is just the sequel to titanic
Jan 19 06:11:20 <torchie> the male protagonist played by leo dicaprio washes ashore
Jan 19 06:11:26 <torchie> THINK ABOUT IT
Jan 19 06:11:50 * SineOt was more just going along the lines of solipsism and all that fun existential such things
Jan 19 06:12:02 <dpivs> i always thought revolutionary road was the sequel to titanic.  like, if they had survived.  they'd be a miserable suburban couple.
Jan 19 06:14:25 <dpivs> dgathright, you run the js group in la right?
Jan 19 06:14:46 <dgathright> dpivs: Yup!
Jan 19 06:15:32 <dpivs> sweet!  i signed up for your meetup.  so when's the next one?
Jan 19 06:15:53 <dgathright> awesome.  We don't have one currently scheduled.  I need to get on that.
Jan 19 06:16:28 <dgathright> don't have anyone lined up to speak, or offers, so that usually slows things down a bit.
Jan 19 06:17:22 <dgathright> But, Palm is interested in sending some people down for a webOS themed event.  Just kinda waiting until after the 2/9 announcements to start pushing for it.
Jan 19 06:17:51 <dpivs> no way, serious?  i need to talk to them about talking at one of my meetups too.
Jan 19 06:18:05 <dgathright> do you run the webOS group?
Jan 19 06:18:06 <dpivs> i'd probably need to get attendance numbers up first.
Jan 19 06:18:13 <dpivs> yeah, the socal webos group.
Jan 19 06:18:31 <dgathright> cool.  Yeah, we should just team up for that then.
Jan 19 06:18:33 <dpivs> not the la one though, i dunno what's going on with that one.
Jan 19 06:18:41 <dgathright> no need for separate events.
Jan 19 06:18:46 <dgathright> oh, gotcha
Jan 19 06:19:00 <dgathright> so there's a socal webOS group, and a LA one?
Jan 19 06:19:11 <halfhalo> and I ignore both!
Jan 19 06:19:19 <dgathright> snap!
Jan 19 06:19:26 <dpivs> mine was 'based' in oc, but seriously there's like nearly zero interest.
Jan 19 06:19:26 <SineOt> halfhalo: You're why we can't have nice things!
Jan 19 06:19:44 * halfhalo steales them for himself
Jan 19 06:19:52 <dgathright> haha, yeah, I gotta imagine it's tough to run a webOS group
Jan 19 06:20:07 <rwhitby> yeah, it sucks.
Jan 19 06:20:11 <dgathright> lol
Jan 19 06:20:19 <rwhitby> ;)
Jan 19 06:20:29 <mugen-> halo!
Jan 19 06:20:32 <mugen-> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/19/bloomberg-sony-psp2-to-debut-next-week-playstation-phone-at-mw/
Jan 19 06:20:39 <mugen-> e3 = psp2 :D
Jan 19 06:21:25 <halfhalo> meh
Jan 19 06:21:50 <SineOt> hey mugen-
Jan 19 06:22:12 * halfhalo has a new game to play
Jan 19 06:22:49 <halfhalo> its called "make that little icon on the obdII software stay red and open instead of closed"
Jan 19 06:23:38 <mugen-> hey sine!
Jan 19 06:23:48 <halfhalo> its a fun game
Jan 19 07:08:16 <hotdp> Mornings
Jan 19 07:16:30 <dgathright> hotdp: Morning to you too
Jan 19 10:39:36 <raghuk> morning guys
Jan 19 10:41:33 <hotdp> morning raghuk
Jan 19 10:41:54 <raghuk> hotdp: hey ... are hybrid apps work only on device?
Jan 19 10:42:42 <hotdp> i don't understand?
Jan 19 10:43:18 <raghuk> i have a Palm Pre device with webOS 1.4.1.1 ... i made an hybrid app it's not working on it
Jan 19 10:43:56 <hotdp> hmm does hybrid apps work in that version of webos
Jan 19 10:44:50 <raghuk> not in 1.4.1 .. but i think they work from 1.4.5 ... i'm not sure
Jan 19 10:45:17 <hotdp> so thats the problem?
Jan 19 10:45:20 <hotdp> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=9195
Jan 19 10:51:10 <raghuk> ooh .. lot of process .. it's all going over my head
Jan 19 10:56:43 <raghuk> hotdp: u know how to update my device to latest webOS?
Jan 19 10:58:45 <hotdp> where are you from ?
Jan 19 12:45:47 <shagg> hi all
Jan 19 13:00:16 <hotdp> hi and good bye
Jan 19 16:15:22 <Xanadu> I'm working on Wiki Notes for getting webOS Internals PDK built on Gentoo.  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK_Gentoo
Jan 19 16:16:06 <Xanadu> It's no where near done (because it's still compiling).  I'm making notes as I go.  a lot of arm6 stuff won't compile.  NavIt is broke.
Jan 19 16:21:02 <Xanadu> Bison failing now.
Jan 19 16:42:34 <destinal> Xanadu: ouch
Jan 19 16:43:47 <JSpecMugen> morning guys
Jan 19 16:43:54 <hotdp> mornings
Jan 19 16:43:55 * halfhalo sues
Jan 19 16:44:20 <JSpecMugen> oh jesus... it's not even 9 there :P what's the matter this morning sir?
Jan 19 16:44:59 * halfhalo sues just to sue
Jan 19 16:45:05 <JSpecMugen> lol
Jan 19 16:45:13 <JSpecMugen> in true american spirit
Jan 19 16:45:20 <hotdp> haha
Jan 19 16:45:23 <hotdp> good point!
Jan 19 16:45:56 <JSpecMugen> so lotsa interesting webOS info leaking out
Jan 19 16:46:08 <hotdp> some stuff
Jan 19 16:46:10 <JSpecMugen> keep all those fingers crossed people!
Jan 19 16:46:12 <hotdp> more then normla ;)
Jan 19 16:46:21 <JSpecMugen> yup
Jan 19 16:46:44 <JSpecMugen> totally pumped about the Beats audio stuff
Jan 19 16:49:06 <Xanadu> I got past bison with "make -k" ugly, but build completed and the libs are working (seemingly).
Jan 19 16:50:03 <JSpecMugen> well that's good news
Jan 19 16:50:14 <JSpecMugen> all sorts of good news this morning!
Jan 19 16:50:24 <Xanadu> It was just the "internal test" portion.  "test" should be being disable in the ./configure script...
Jan 19 16:54:47 <Xanadu> this would go a LOT faster if make threaded gcc and the "build_temp" was in tmpfs.
Jan 19 16:55:19 <Xanadu> You can't just "make -j3 stage" because that messes up curl.
Jan 19 17:41:08 <hotdp> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/19/hp-palm-tablet-to-feature-touchstone-dock-cloud-storage-beat/
Jan 19 17:41:18 <hotdp> hope the phone thing is not correct :)
Jan 19 17:49:56 <dohtem> what phone thing?
Jan 19 17:50:07 <RagingMind> I'm SO excited for a tablet... just wish I had a job to afford one. heh
Jan 19 17:52:36 <JSpecMugen> dohtem: the tipster says apparently "the phones aren't too amazing"
Jan 19 17:53:25 <JSpecMugen> but that is misleading... i mean compared to what? compared to the razor edged new stuff? like Tegra2 and multicore stuff coming out
Jan 19 17:54:03 <JSpecMugen> so maybe it doesn't have a 4.3" 960xWhatever resolution, but maybe it's still damned good
Jan 19 17:54:19 <JSpecMugen> ...that's what i'm hoping for atleast
Jan 19 17:59:47 <dohtem> Feb. 9 cant come soon enough
Jan 19 18:01:53 <RagingMind> it can if you know someone named Doc Brown that has a Delorian in his garage
Jan 19 18:08:59 * hotdp hopes he can buy a developer tablet so he can use the new framework and test it irl
Jan 19 18:09:23 <JSpecMugen> anyone see that robery of 10 million dollars in cell phones in florida???
Jan 19 18:09:40 * JSpecMugen wonders what they were damnit!
Jan 19 18:26:26 <dohtem> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/19/dell-means-business-schedules-san-francisco-event-for-februar/ - Another one
Jan 19 18:33:04 <mfisch> Dell is still in business?
Jan 19 18:55:40 <Tibfib> sheesh! it's snowing like crazy here
Jan 19 18:56:07 * halfhalo is bored and can't do work
Jan 19 18:57:09 <Tibfib> did you do the rewrite thing?
Jan 19 18:57:15 <halfhalo> epic chain reaction brought down all the sites here
Jan 19 18:57:33 <halfhalo> no, but I can do that now!
Jan 19 19:19:58 <maik> holy hell what is going on
Jan 19 19:19:58 <maik> NETSPLITPOCALYPSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE
Jan 19 19:20:14 <halfhalo> OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD
Jan 19 20:24:37 <dgathright> lol, http://lifehacker.com/5737342/multifl0w-webos+like-multitasking-to-your-jailbroken-ios-device
Jan 19 20:38:47 <hotdp> lol
Jan 19 21:01:43 <Tibfib> dangit, what was that site to test regexp?
Jan 19 21:02:16 <Tibfib> rubular. found it
Jan 19 21:03:51 <CTLAdvance> My bet is on sprint launching a wimax tablet on 2/7
Jan 19 21:03:57 <CTLAdvance> a blackberry playbook tablet
Jan 19 21:42:45 <sstephenson_> what's the story for debugging web apps in the webOS browser? I'm finding plenty of information about debugging first-class apps, but nothing about web apps
Jan 19 21:43:14 <sstephenson> can I connect Palm Inspector somehow?
Jan 19 21:57:44 <dohtem> Are you guys thinking big, small and beyond?
Jan 19 21:59:58 <destinal> HP.. uh.. TouchPad?
Jan 19 22:00:00 <destinal> http://www.precentral.net/hp-files-touchpad-trademark-bye-bye-palmpad
Jan 19 22:00:11 <destinal> hopefully someone tells them how horrible an idea this is
Jan 19 22:02:04 <destinal> unless it's not the tablet and something else, like a pad version of the touchstone
Jan 19 22:02:40 <destinal> still sounds odd
Jan 19 22:04:18 <dohtem> slots in nicely with the HP Touchsmart stuff
Jan 19 22:06:04 <dawm_> maybe its a inductive charging pad instead of a stone
Jan 19 22:09:26 <Tibfib> it's touchstone 2.0
Jan 19 22:09:26 <dohtem> dawm_: that will take up a lot of desk space
Jan 19 22:09:35 <destinal> hmm except Synaptics already has a trademark on TouchPad   (though it seems too generic I guess they got it) http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/touchpad
Jan 19 22:09:37 <Tibfib> its a pad. and you set down yoru stuff on it
Jan 19 22:09:51 <Tibfib> to charge
Jan 19 22:10:00 <Tibfib> touchstone is a stone you set stuff on to charge
Jan 19 22:10:01 <dawm_> destinal, its HP TouchPad tho, not just TouchPad
Jan 19 22:10:39 <dgathright> "TouchPad"? Booooooooooooo!
Jan 19 22:10:54 <dgathright> "PalmPad"? Yaaaaaaaaaaay!
Jan 19 22:11:07 <destinal> dawm_: ah, yeah, that would make it seem like it's the name of an iconic device like the tablet,  who calls a touchstone a Palm Touchstone,  but the Pre is called Palm Pre
Jan 19 22:11:47 <destinal> still touchpad is used so interchangably as trackpad this seems like a really bad name
Jan 19 22:11:58 <dgathright> via P|C comment:
Jan 19 22:12:00 <dgathright> bigger , multimedia device = touchpad
Jan 19 22:12:00 <dgathright> smaller, ebooker device= palmpad
Jan 19 22:12:11 <dgathright> That actually would make sense
Jan 19 22:12:55 <chandler> Anyone here have a Pre 2 and want to test to see if a video streaming bug I'm seeing in 1.4.5 is fixed?
Jan 19 22:13:09 <dgathright> quick! Go buy all the touchpad domains. =P
Jan 19 22:13:17 <destinal> Hey I got a new touchpad, people would be thinking, what like a pad for your computer to use multitouch or something, or you replaced the trackpad on your laptop?
Jan 19 22:13:26 <chandler> http://brian.mastenbrook.net/content/palmbug/ - first link plays fine on 1.4.5; second causes the device to issue a malformed HTTP request
Jan 19 22:13:28 <dgathright> hptouchpad.com "Record created on 2011/01/19 UTC"
Jan 19 22:13:35 <dawm_> $20 Amazon Gift Card for $10 bux
Jan 19 22:13:36 <dawm_> http://bit.ly/e1LJdp
Jan 19 22:14:56 <destinal> dgathright: no way of knowing if HP did that or someone seeing the filing
Jan 19 22:15:03 <dgathright> true
Jan 19 22:15:12 <dgathright> could be a squatter
Jan 19 22:15:22 <dawm_> it is a squatter
Jan 19 22:15:22 <dgathright> regardless, that's a trademark, so they wouldn't own it for long
Jan 19 22:15:24 <dawm_> just goto the domain
Jan 19 22:17:42 <dohtem> dawm_: thanks!
Jan 19 22:17:57 * dohtem is addicted to Amazon
Jan 19 22:18:32 <dawm_> yah i need to preorder bulletstorm, ran across that deal and figured it was too good to pass
Jan 19 22:18:48 <dawm_> 10bux free? ;D
Jan 19 22:36:06 <maik> THE HUMANITY!
Jan 19 23:15:21 <SineOt> Gotta say... Google Apps is pretty awesome.
Jan 19 23:17:26 <dohtem> you finally set up your email with google apps?
Jan 19 23:19:25 <SineOt> Yeah
Jan 19 23:19:42 <dohtem> I just can get google sites to work right
Jan 19 23:21:35 <SineOt> http://www.ruddersquish.com P:
Jan 19 23:22:35 <dohtem> all on google sites?
Jan 19 23:22:45 <SineOt> No, that's hosted through NearlyFreeSpeech
Jan 19 23:22:48 <dohtem> oh
Jan 19 23:22:58 <dohtem> still gotta sign up for that
Jan 19 23:23:26 <dohtem> nice clean look.
Jan 19 23:23:28 * dohtem likes
Jan 19 23:27:15 <SineOt> this month to date has cost me... a total of $0.04 to host! :P
Jan 19 23:27:31 * halfhalo goes to ping the crap out of the server
Jan 19 23:30:36 * halfhalo is happy
Jan 19 23:30:59 <Tibfib> hrm.. So I think my audio obj in Koto is getting collected in garbage collection. How do I prevent that?
Jan 19 23:32:01 * dohtem hits F5 on ruddersquish repeatedly
Jan 19 23:33:26 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 19 23:38:21 <Tibfib> Yeah, it's like a gc clears out the audio obj
Jan 19 23:40:40 <dohtem> can I perform a forward swipe on the emulator?
Jan 19 23:41:04 <Tibfib> no afaik
Jan 19 23:41:20 <dohtem> I guess I wont be implementing that then
Jan 19 23:42:02 <Tibfib> why ?
Jan 19 23:42:40 <dohtem> cant test it.  device is not here
Jan 19 23:42:58 <Tibfib> it's mega easy
Jan 19 23:43:21 <Tibfib> if(event.type === Mojo.Event.forward){blah(); } in handleCommand
Jan 19 23:45:03 <dohtem> working in the emulator only till my new router arrives :(
Jan 19 23:45:36 <Tibfib> arg, anyone worked with gc issues?
Jan 20 00:00:00 <dohtem> this is strange... I'm getting "Access is Denied" when I run palm-install from the command line.  Any ideas?
Jan 20 00:01:40 <dohtem> whoops, nevermind.  brainfary
Jan 20 00:01:46 <dohtem> brainfart*
Jan 20 01:14:55 <Spanska> How can I separate a label and a TimePicker widget so that they appear on two different lines?
Jan 20 01:16:31 <Tibfib> edit the css, or make a custom widget
Jan 20 01:17:36 <Spanska> but what CSS property can force this?
Jan 20 01:19:40 <Tibfib> well, you'd have to hackit with css
Jan 20 01:21:39 <Spanska> oh, I'll try to add some padding
Jan 20 01:33:58 <ajay> howdy!
Jan 20 01:37:31 <Spanska> yay it works :D
Jan 20 01:47:19 <dohtem> http://twitter.com/#!/Edibledawg  -- someone's claiming to have gotten a 2.1.0 OTA update on Sprint
Jan 20 01:47:33 <ajay> these are not the OTA updates you're looking for
Jan 20 01:48:03 * ajay has got that stupid SW ref stuck in his head, gah
Jan 20 01:48:26 <Tibfib> why is the ss a jpg?
Jan 20 01:48:44 <dohtem> feels like a hoax to me but I dunno
Jan 20 01:49:33 <Tibfib> there's no reason for it to be a jpg.. feels fake.
Jan 20 01:49:35 <ajay> good way to make your twitter profile more interesting to folks, and gain more followers.. :)
Jan 20 01:49:45 <Tibfib> pre takes .png screenshots..
Jan 20 01:54:33 <oil> even so, not like its hard to create a little app that looked exactly like the update app and displays whatever text you want
Jan 20 01:54:39 <oil> lol
Jan 20 01:54:52 * halfhalo whistles
Jan 20 01:54:55 * oil makes "fake updates app: fool your friends and the internets!"
Jan 20 01:55:10 <oil> unrelated note
Jan 20 01:55:31 <Tibfib> oil: too much work
Jan 20 01:55:35 <oil> am i the only one who cringes when he sees stuff in the notification bar in screenshots?
Jan 20 01:55:54 <Tibfib> me too
Jan 20 01:56:02 <oil> unless your screenshot is to show off the notification bar
Jan 20 01:56:07 <oil> you should always clear it
Jan 20 01:56:10 <oil> before screenshots
Jan 20 01:58:35 * rwhitby makes an empty notification icon, so he can do screenshots with an empty but present notification bar
Jan 20 01:58:47 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 20 01:59:09 <oil> aww
Jan 20 01:59:14 <oil> just to drive me crazy
Jan 20 01:59:18 <rwhitby> Tibfib: I'm serious, then your screenshot is good for Pre and Pixi.
Jan 20 01:59:54 <Tibfib> hah
Jan 20 02:12:01 <JSpecMugen> how's everyone doing tonight
Jan 20 02:12:02 <JSpecMugen> ?
Jan 20 02:12:31 <Tibfib> my app is failing, hard. but other than that, good! JSpecMugen, you?
Jan 20 02:12:38 <rwhitby> So, any reason why latest testing Preware, Save/Restore, UberKernel and Govnah cannot be pushed to public releases?
Jan 20 02:13:34 <JSpecMugen> i'm sorry to hear that :( is it your media app?
Jan 20 02:13:45 <JSpecMugen> i'm doing alright i guess... can't complain
Jan 20 02:14:16 <Tibfib> yeah.. I think there's just a bad bit of code somewhere messing everything up
Jan 20 02:14:27 <Tibfib> JSpecMugen: that's good
Jan 20 02:16:01 <msd181989> hey ppl
Jan 20 02:16:57 <JSpecMugen> boo to rogue code goblins
Jan 20 02:17:22 <JSpecMugen> hey, btw... your profile pic on twitter... is that an original icon by you?
Jan 20 02:17:33 <Tibfib> me? that's not by me
Jan 20 02:17:49 <Tibfib> err, the @tibfib one is not by me.. the @koto_player one is by me
Jan 20 02:21:58 <JSpecMugen> well i like the koto_player one too... but i love the tibfib one too
Jan 20 02:21:58 <JSpecMugen> dunno why i felt the need to tell you... but there you go :)
Jan 20 02:22:00 * JSpecMugen is an icon snob.
Jan 20 02:22:32 <Tibfib> JSpecMugen, heh thanks.. It's by doc31(21?) on precentral.
Jan 20 02:22:46 <dohtem> someone's making icons?
Jan 20 02:23:34 <Tibfib> nope, I think I just asked him if he wanted to help me out
Jan 20 02:24:17 <dohtem> :(
Jan 20 02:24:42 <dohtem> my hacker news app could use a pretty icon
Jan 20 02:25:13 <Tibfib> dohtem: http://findicons.com/
Jan 20 02:25:26 <Tibfib> or http://www.iconfinder.com/
Jan 20 02:25:43 <Tibfib> I found the base for my koto_player icon there, then edited it a lot
Jan 20 02:27:30 <dohtem> thanks, I'll give it a shot
Jan 20 02:28:12 <JSpecMugen> yeah, i use those all the time... plus
Jan 20 02:28:13 <JSpecMugen> http://glyphish.com/
Jan 20 02:28:39 <JSpecMugen> simple, free to use ui icons
Jan 20 02:28:52 <SineOt> yeah glyphish is nice
Jan 20 02:29:07 <JSpecMugen> hey sine :D
Jan 20 02:29:18 <JSpecMugen> get my msg :P
Jan 20 02:29:22 <SineOt> yes
Jan 20 02:29:25 <SineOt> while I was napping
Jan 20 02:29:40 <JSpecMugen> nice download count!
Jan 20 02:29:40 <SineOt> really still want to be napping ;_;
Jan 20 02:29:47 <JSpecMugen> awe
Jan 20 02:29:50 <SineOt> what's it at?
Jan 20 02:29:53 <JSpecMugen> sorry dude :P
Jan 20 02:29:58 <JSpecMugen> 790 something
Jan 20 02:30:26 <JSpecMugen> all great reviews... cept for that one dumb ass "i dnt know wht its for"
Jan 20 02:30:28 <SineOt> 529 apparently, according to the Dev Portal
Jan 20 02:30:36 <SineOt> hah
Jan 20 02:30:50 <JSpecMugen> sorry... i have 943 in app catalog
Jan 20 02:31:36 * SineOt goes to check
Jan 20 02:32:30 <SineOt> how do you check download count in the app catalog?
Jan 20 02:32:37 <JSpecMugen> preware patch
Jan 20 02:33:17 <JSpecMugen> it then shows right above the star rating
Jan 20 02:33:42 * rwhitby notes that someone needs to work out why that patch doesn't work on 2.0
Jan 20 02:34:14 <JSpecMugen> for sure... i can't live without that one
Jan 20 02:40:06 <dohtem> what app is this?
Jan 20 02:40:44 <rwhitby> download count patch
Jan 20 02:44:22 <JSpecMugen> SineOt's boxee remote
Jan 20 02:46:00 <dohtem> ah
Jan 20 02:54:22 <ajay> I'm going to try Classic before it's too late (pre-2.x) Any app recommendations?
Jan 20 02:54:39 <halfhalo> tetris
Jan 20 02:59:51 <JSpecMugen> http://goo.gl/QAcWb  .... D:
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