**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011 Jan 20 03:03:51 hey guys Jan 20 03:04:04 any why to compile the app on the fone Jan 20 03:08:54 woot. no school tomorrow :) Jan 20 03:09:14 lies Jan 20 03:19:43 Tibfib: no school for the last 20 years Jan 20 03:21:22 :) Jan 20 03:22:35 * halfhalo doesn't call it school. He calls it "extended nap time" Jan 20 03:33:20 reboot for windows updates... Jan 20 03:33:47 Does webos 2.0 have the same stock apps like google maps? Jan 20 03:33:54 yep Jan 20 03:34:01 same apps for the most part Jan 20 03:34:56 That's pathetic Jan 20 03:36:02 yeah, I heard gingerbread does yahoo maps by default now Jan 20 03:38:09 jamex: they are waiting for enyo to update stock apps Jan 20 03:38:16 so next big update Jan 20 03:38:26 (hopefully) Jan 20 03:38:55 gingerbread? Jan 20 03:39:11 When is that happening? Another year? Jan 20 03:39:22 we'll find out feb 8th Jan 20 03:39:54 Things moving real slow but yet life moves fast Jan 20 03:40:11 yahoo maps? that sounds weird.. i wonder if yahoo maps would work better on webOS than google? Jan 20 03:40:24 Bing Maps would probably work better :p Jan 20 03:42:12 IIRC Nokia is doing handling Yahoo Maps now. Jan 20 03:42:16 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364098,00.asp Jan 20 03:43:23 And by "gingerbread" do you mean Android? Why would Google use Yahoo Maps on android? Jan 20 03:44:49 heh, I was being a smartass Jan 20 03:44:54 Google just provides the back end stuff :p Jan 20 03:45:04 Verizon Android handsets use Bing Search by default now Jan 20 03:49:23 Wait yMaps is flash isn't it? I wonder if yahoo or bing have a good mobile, that beats google's default (Which webOS uses) Jan 20 03:53:07 hello friends! Jan 20 03:53:34 dpivs: hello! Jan 20 03:55:14 hello Jan 20 03:57:19 ajay: Y! Maps was Flash back in the day. It's all JS now. Jan 20 03:59:15 as it should be Jan 20 03:59:38 dgathright: oh! hot. do they have a mobile version? Jan 20 04:00:06 Nokia does all the mobile map stuff now. Jan 20 04:00:31 we need another mobile map app. Jan 20 04:00:36 So, is there an app for iOS or Android? Dunno. Tough to compete with something that ships w/ Google Maps by default Jan 20 04:00:55 But yeah, it has mobile apps on other platforms. Jan 20 04:01:39 dgathright: So it should be easy to package yahoo maps the same way we have gMaps, i reckon Jan 20 04:03:02 Maybe. Would Nokia make a Y! Maps app for webOS? Eh... who knows. Not sure what the terms of that Y!/Nokia deal were. Jan 20 04:06:28 dgathright: Who needs Nokia? Just tweak the existing gmaps, replacing google for yahoo.. ;^) Jan 20 04:07:47 heh, it just occurred to me that google probably knows what places people get lost the most Jan 20 04:08:11 ajay: Hah, that's probably easier said than done. Might as well just rewrite from scratch. Jan 20 04:10:39 dgathright: i'm curious how much work it was for palm to put gMaps in webOS. if all it does is display google's default mobile app... Jan 20 04:11:54 * halfhalo hides the loot Jan 20 04:13:00 halfhalo: like, webOS slates, that you're sending pics of to engadget? Jan 20 04:13:25 psh, hi-def video Jan 20 04:13:35 oh, my bad Jan 20 04:14:02 the worlds first 4k tablet? ;) Jan 20 04:14:26 Nice. So you're using one webOS slate's 4k camera to record your 2nd slate? Jan 20 04:14:34 yes Jan 20 04:14:40 the third is being used as a coaster Jan 20 04:15:23 halfhalo: oh! I thought you said toaster, i got SO excited! Jan 20 04:25:41 ajay: you can turn the screen brightness up high enough that you can cook an egg in 30 seconds! Jan 20 04:28:24 SineOt: an egg? gross. Jan 20 04:28:39 tho that would help with overpopulation Jan 20 04:29:03 poached, hardboiled, soft boiled, medium boiled, over easy, sunny side up, even scrambles! Jan 20 04:30:45 I'd prefer that it did rice but tablets don't hold water very well :T Jan 20 04:46:08 Thbbbt. Jan 20 05:06:48 * SineOt makes some insane scrollers, JUST BECAUSE HE CAN Jan 20 06:20:53 Is it Feb 9th yet? Jan 20 06:46:02 almost Jan 20 06:47:00 It's Feb 9th somewhere... Jan 20 06:47:17 Australia, probably. Jan 20 07:47:45 Hi all Jan 20 07:47:58 mornings teemu_ Jan 20 12:10:17 http://shortyawards.com/palm#/vote Jan 20 15:19:42 Hmmm webOS 2.1.0 mystery today Jan 20 17:20:40 Hello. Is this a good place to ask a basic question about developing for WebOS? Jan 20 17:21:19 yep Jan 20 17:23:27 Hurrah. :-) My question is about access to native WebOS apps, which I understand is restricted. Can a third-party app listen to the event of entering/updating information into a Contact? For example, entering a Spouse's name? Jan 20 17:23:38 I don't believe so Jan 20 17:24:33 eranmagen: currently, no. you may not be able to do exactly what you want, but you may be able to find a workaround: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2109#synergy Jan 20 17:24:51 (in webOS 2.0) Jan 20 17:25:40 chuqui!! Jan 20 17:25:54 halfhalo: hey! Jan 20 17:26:12 howdy chuqui! Jan 20 17:26:38 Thanks so much. This is helpful. As a workaround, I'm wondering about this: I know that apps can access information they created in native Apps. I wonder if Contacts could be copied by the user into the third party app somehow, or assigned ownership by the user, so that the app than has access to them? Jan 20 17:27:45 that may be possible.. I think you'll be able to have people give their contact accounts access to your app, but I'm not sure Jan 20 17:27:45 Tibfib: hey, good morning! Jan 20 17:29:05 Well, that's encouraging. Do You have any thoughts on where I might dig around to find out? Jan 20 17:30:11 eranmagen: the 2.0 stuff is in private access so you should try getting access so you can look at the synergy stuff Jan 20 17:31:26 Tibfib: other way is to download a 2.0 doctor and try to figure it out from the code there. yeah, official docs /SDK would probably be better :) Jan 20 17:31:44 oh yeah, is the pre2 doctor readily available? Jan 20 17:32:11 Tibfib: yup Jan 20 17:32:45 there's a list of public doctors on the webos-internals wiki Jan 20 17:44:13 Great. Thanks so much! I appreciate it. Jan 20 17:44:17 Take care. Jan 20 18:30:02 arg, horiz scrollers are buggy Jan 20 18:35:45 I had a dream last night that I could download webos 2 for my phone, but it was huge and would take 5 months to download Jan 20 18:36:09 HP, see what you are doing to your loyal customers? Jan 20 19:30:19 Has anyone read/used this book before? http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596806767 Jan 20 19:30:24 JavaScript Patterns? Jan 20 19:33:29 nope, but is it good? Jan 20 19:33:37 Dunno! Jan 20 19:33:46 tell me if you find out ;) Jan 20 19:33:59 Sounds like it will be. Reading reviews it seems to aim at the like "not beginner but not advanced" area. Jan 20 19:34:03 Which sounds awesome for me. Jan 20 19:34:10 It's also a textbook for a course I'm taking. P: Jan 20 19:34:57 eh? dont get it? Jan 20 19:35:07 Hm? Don't get what. :B Jan 20 19:35:39 sineotter: Yeah, I've read through it. Good stuff. Jan 20 19:35:46 Cool~ Jan 20 19:36:15 I was worried this course would be "advanced" in the kind of "advanced... if you were a baby" sense but it seems like it'll be a good one. Jan 20 19:36:26 While The Good Parts is a great book to show you how to code good vs bad javascript. JS Patterns is a book that goes more into detail about good patterns for various use-cases Jan 20 19:38:18 So you're saying it's more like... "This is good and here's why" then goes into details on why do these things, while the other is "this is good, this is bad" and gives some more general examples? Jan 20 19:38:25 It's not a good book for beginners. More appropriate for anyone w/ advanced JS knowledge. Jan 20 19:39:04 oy Jan 20 19:39:24 What would you define a beginner as, and same for advanced? Jan 20 19:39:28 Like for example, it will briefly cover doing Namespaces in JavaScript, and show you 3 or 4 methods of doing so, each one with pros and cons. Jan 20 19:40:12 It's written by one of the smartest JS people I know. He was a Yahoo, then recently left to go to Facebook (boooo!). :) Jan 20 19:40:53 what are you talkin about Jan 20 19:41:09 "JavaScript Patterns" (book) Jan 20 19:41:14 mm Jan 20 19:42:39 beginner would be a junior webdev who just dabbles in jQuery. Advanced is someone who codes mostly JS for a living, deals with performance, and is knowledgeable about best practices, and knows The Good Parts inside & out. Jan 20 19:43:26 I have no idea what to class myself as then. P: Jan 20 19:43:33 I WANT THAT BOOK NOW! Jan 20 19:43:53 SineOtter: What other JS books (if any) have you read? Jan 20 19:43:55 * hotdp_ thinks dgathright earns money for every book there will be sold Jan 20 19:44:03 lol Jan 20 19:44:09 Would you hate me if I said... None? D: Jan 20 19:44:27 Hi everyone Jan 20 19:44:33 Hah, no. Ok, don't start with JS Patterns. Jan 20 19:44:35 SineOtter what do you mean with "textbook" what else? Jan 20 19:44:42 i got a new Palm Pre 2 Jan 20 19:45:03 but i am unable to enable developer mode in it Jan 20 19:45:43 I tried both #*DEVMODE# and #*338633#. When i type #*DEVMODE# it shows an invalid number. And, on typin #*338633# i get the following message - USSD Request Failed. Network Failure. Jan 20 19:45:56 sineotter: My fav newbie JS book is Pro JavaScript Techniques (resig). After that, move on to High Performance JavaScript (Zakas), then The Good Parts (Crockford), then finally read JS Patterns (Stefanov). Jan 20 19:46:14 hotdp_: what the whole thing accidentially all of it (what is that question even asking, it's a text for a class I'm taking) Jan 20 19:46:22 If you want a free book, just start with http://eloquentjavascript.net/ Jan 20 19:46:29 dgathright: I'll definately look into those for sure Jan 20 19:46:46 Can anyone tell how can i enable this developer mode in my Palm Pre 2? Jan 20 19:47:14 sineotter: That's a book for a class you are taking? What class? Jan 20 19:47:40 dgathright: they've titled it "Javascript Programming II" Jan 20 19:48:00 high school, college, other? Jan 20 19:48:29 Curious cause I know stoyan will get a kick out of it being used as a classroom textbook, ha. Jan 20 19:49:07 college Jan 20 19:49:29 * dgathright is happy to see webdev finally being taught in college. Jan 20 19:49:35 Online course to pad out my unit load so I can keep health insurance :p Jan 20 19:49:49 but also something I'm interested in (obviously, durpdurp) Jan 20 19:49:50 ey dawgs Jan 20 19:50:45 webdev classes when I was in school was "Hey, let's learn how to make Java Applets" (bleh) Jan 20 19:51:40 yeah I was wary of this class being about javascript but doing really stupid stuff but at least it seems like he's teaching it with a quality book Jan 20 19:51:50 so even if the class sucks, I'll have a good book! Jan 20 19:53:10 I'm also glad to see that the ebook versions aren't like, a locked down PDF that requires you to read them in Adobe Digital Editions... Which is a terrible, terrible application, and I hate publishers who use it Jan 20 19:54:15 ESPECIALLY when they enable the single device flag. Digital Editions supports key portability! Why do I need to have my ebook locked down to a single device? It's stupid as hell. I either can read it on my desktop with a big monitor, or be able to read it on campus with my laptop. :( Jan 20 19:54:30 Then again, most textbook publishers are the spawn of satan. Jan 20 19:55:54 definitely Jan 20 19:56:26 * SineOtter charges 150$ for a book, then shuffles the pages around and adds a graphic, calles it a new edition, pulls the bottom out of the resale market because now no one will buy back the older edition. Jan 20 20:00:32 * torchie charges $100 for an "access code" Jan 20 20:00:55 hey where can you find the developer for chat light merkel apps Jan 20 20:01:29 in the app catalog, go to one of their apps and click developer page Jan 20 20:01:42 should give you the address for their house as well as their social security number Jan 20 20:01:51 k cuse that place has a big problem Jan 20 20:02:14 lol Jan 20 20:02:23 torchie ur mean Jan 20 20:02:26 lol Jan 20 20:02:33 why are you even asking that question Jan 20 20:02:44 im just saying if you really wanna rough em up you gotta meet em up Jan 20 20:02:55 reason of my own but that place needs moderators Jan 20 20:03:17 my sister goes there to many pedos and ppl harrasing others Jan 20 20:03:30 as well as massive sexual harrassment Jan 20 20:03:49 all because there's no order in things no one to ban or kick Jan 20 20:04:33 it's almost like the real internet! Jan 20 20:04:58 it's almost like kids are being exploited wait it's not almost they are Jan 20 20:06:08 then it is like the real internet Jan 20 20:06:33 huh Jan 20 20:06:35 what time is it Jan 20 20:06:44 expect you can't report it to authoritys cuse no way to Jan 20 20:06:47 ADVENTURE TIIIIIIIIIIME Jan 20 20:07:00 msd181989, I'm sorry, but that's about the dumbest thing I've read today Jan 20 20:07:05 ad Jan 20 20:07:07 VENTURETIME Jan 20 20:07:14 advertisement venture time Jan 20 20:07:27 oh now you've done gone and upset the boy Jan 20 20:07:40 I'm gonna go over and set this straight, tell him whats what Jan 20 20:08:00 OH GOD THERE'S NO REASONING WITH HIM Jan 20 20:08:01 HE'S Jan 20 20:08:02 DRAGGING ME Jan 20 20:08:04 * torchie part Jan 20 20:08:09 ff Jan 20 20:08:15 if he really wanted to report things, he wouldn't need a BUTTON TO DO SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jan 20 20:08:30 AAAAAAA Jan 20 20:08:46 * torchie drops shotgun Jan 20 20:08:57 * torchie slumps into the couch Jan 20 20:11:23 * SineOtter pats torchie Jan 20 20:18:21 evening Jan 20 20:18:41 evening Jan 20 20:18:54 hi swisstomcat Jan 20 20:19:03 hey hotdp Jan 20 20:21:35 dgathright: Oh, cool. O'Reilly has a deal going on right now where you can buy two books and get the third free, including their ebooks. Jan 20 20:23:41 Sineotter: Then I'd go for the trilogy of badass JS books. The Good Parts, High Perf JS, and JS Patterns. :) Jan 20 20:24:57 good parts: check, js patterns: check Jan 20 20:25:19 :o Jan 20 20:25:23 non drm epub? Jan 20 20:25:27 yup Jan 20 20:25:35 how much bux Jan 20 20:25:45 JS Patterns is 23, dunno about the others Jan 20 20:26:31 i got em for 10 bucks a while back Jan 20 20:43:43 JS Patterns is $13 used on Amazon. I always buy the used books on Amazon, much cheaper Jan 20 20:44:25 i only buy ebooks Jan 20 20:45:08 Yeah, I think I'll just go ebooks... Since I don't have room to carry around books, or store them, but my Nook on the other hand... Jan 20 20:45:28 Ah. For used ebooks, I usually just go to piratebay. =P Jan 20 20:45:40 thbbt :p Jan 20 21:00:11 evening all... Jan 20 21:01:22 ey b0bben Jan 20 21:01:37 how's it hanging Jan 20 21:09:55 down Jan 20 21:11:44 everyone is waiting for feb. 9th Jan 20 21:19:49 * oil freezes himself in the hills till then Jan 20 21:19:57 someone come revive me when its time! Jan 20 21:25:21 http://www.androidforall.com/ Jan 20 21:25:25 ... Jan 20 21:25:32 we needs a mascot.. Jan 20 21:26:04 the thing is, no mascot can really work for webOS Jan 20 21:26:29 the android robot works because the system is called android Jan 20 21:26:39 webOS... maybe an image of binary pipes? Jan 20 21:26:55 or a pelican with web Packets? Jan 20 21:28:23 Oil froze himself watching the hills until feb 9th?!?!?!? Jan 20 21:28:30 you wont have any brain left Jan 20 21:34:01 what brain? :P Jan 20 21:45:31 Thats true Jan 20 21:45:38 his head is already filled with oil Jan 20 21:46:03 he doesnt respond to me any more, I told him to bing it to many times Jan 20 21:48:03 hi there Jan 20 21:54:03 http://www.palm.com/us/developer/artist.html Jan 20 21:59:31 has anyone of you ever tried to play with the palm://com.palm.telephony service? Jan 20 22:25:50 where can i find a simple hybrid app example? Jan 20 22:29:21 wirc? Jan 20 22:29:24 (homebrew) Jan 20 22:29:29 git.webos-internals.org Jan 20 22:30:09 illcheck it out Jan 20 22:30:24 not simple tho :) Jan 20 22:30:28 hhmm Jan 20 22:30:31 shapespin would be a simple example Jan 20 22:30:38 i think it comes with the PDK Jan 20 22:30:43 theres a hybrid version? Jan 20 22:30:58 i picked the original one apart when pdk was released Jan 20 22:31:08 shapespin? Jan 20 22:31:11 ya Jan 20 22:31:25 that was the first PDK example right? Jan 20 22:31:31 rotating polygon Jan 20 22:31:38 shaders, GL2.0 Jan 20 22:31:52 https://github.com/palm/pdk-samples/tree/master/shapespin Jan 20 22:32:16 This sample shows how to make a PDK-based component that can live as an Jan 20 22:32:16 inside a native JS/HTML application on webOS. Jan 20 22:33:01 then i must be thinking of something else Jan 20 22:33:07 i think so Jan 20 22:33:09 =D Jan 20 22:34:41 bbl Jan 20 22:58:45 is Admob the only option for advertising? Jan 20 23:42:30 yeah nook's the jam Jan 20 23:42:38 except for reading pdfs with built in software Jan 20 23:42:41 then it's not the jam :( Jan 20 23:44:46 I wonder if http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#dom-media-playbackrate playback rate works in webOS Jan 20 23:45:09 if so, I'm adding a "Fun" page in Koto for changing it :) Jan 20 23:52:16 * Tibfib feels silly Jan 20 23:52:43 I've been setting up a timeout for updating progress in Koto. I hadn't found the timeupdate event for audio objs... lol Jan 21 00:05:19 so, 2.1.0 update out yet? Jan 21 00:05:55 checking on pre- and pre2 Jan 21 00:06:32 not on pre2 Jan 21 00:06:46 haeffb: nope Jan 21 00:07:45 what is down, rwhitby? Jan 21 00:08:04 8" to 10" of snow here in Missouri Jan 21 00:08:06 nor pre- Jan 21 00:08:16 haeffb: hah, around that here in Kansas too Jan 21 00:08:25 makes sense :) Jan 21 00:08:48 what's the chance that Sprint doesn't have a new webOS device in the "coming months"? Jan 21 00:12:42 whoa, kansans & missourians in here? Jan 21 00:12:50 <--- originally from KC Jan 21 00:12:50 darn tootin! Jan 21 00:13:10 nice Jan 21 00:13:17 Flying back tomorrow morning. Still snowing? Jan 21 00:13:25 not atm Jan 21 00:13:31 yay Jan 21 00:14:05 it might snow tomorrow, but I doubt it Jan 21 00:58:47 sprint Jan 21 00:58:48 webos Jan 21 00:58:58 the two names together reek of "coming months" Jan 21 00:59:05 yeah well release a new webos device Jan 21 00:59:07 IN 2017 Jan 21 00:59:09 BITCH Jan 21 00:59:30 and then t mobile becomes webos carrier numero uno Jan 21 00:59:51 ;_; Jan 21 01:00:04 they have about 1 tower in this state Jan 21 01:00:40 t mobile is the one with the correct gsm frequency right Jan 21 01:01:09 I don't recall Jan 21 01:01:35 hmm Jan 21 01:01:43 oh welles Jan 21 01:02:07 neither at&t or t-mobile have sensible gsm freqs Jan 21 01:02:17 oh that makes more sense Jan 21 01:02:20 but the US Pre 2 is at&t freqs Jan 21 01:02:22 yay america Jan 21 01:02:40 t-mobile is not compat with EU Pre 2 Jan 21 01:02:41 700Mhz is going to be excellent Jan 21 01:03:29 will it? i wonder how many other places will have 700MHz and what other LTE bands are going to be "common" Jan 21 01:10:21 will anyone use it Jan 21 01:11:35 beh Jan 21 01:11:44 Wimax is already much more common outside of the US Jan 21 01:11:57 will be a while for LTE to match it in global coverage Jan 21 01:12:27 I wonder how long before they need to throttle their LTE network and everything slows down Jan 21 01:14:01 I thought LTE was more common? Jan 21 01:14:45 * destinal was hoping WiMax would win that one Jan 21 01:16:07 really? i like LTE .. not a huge fan of wimax Jan 21 01:16:29 I dont care who wins, as long as all US carriers go the same way Jan 21 01:17:08 it'll be a convergence, that's for sure .. vzw and att have said yes - lots of european carriers have said yes as well Jan 21 01:17:18 but the band support is going to be troublesome in the beginning :( Jan 21 01:18:00 Wimax is deployed in over 400 markets globally Jan 21 01:18:11 LTE is going to have to play catch up Jan 21 01:18:26 The real fight will begin when LTE gets throttled or Wimax2 gets deployed Jan 21 01:18:55 Though I expect throttling to happen first Jan 21 01:19:16 but sprint is possibly jacking the cost so wimax may lose out Jan 21 01:20:44 Also since verizon has more cash, they may be able to outpace sprint in the US Jan 21 01:20:53 oh well Jan 21 01:33:49 * halfhalo kicks linux Jan 21 01:35:04 trying to roll your own disto? Jan 21 01:35:11 no Jan 21 01:35:54 it's not working? just use debian. Jan 21 01:36:15 Jesus Jan 21 01:38:46 not making own distro, trying to open a linux .img file Jan 21 01:40:33 and apparently I have no working linux install Jan 21 01:40:47 because I have never fired one up at home. _ever_ Jan 21 01:42:57 but its for a windows program, and I wanna mess with it :p Jan 21 02:08:21 * halfhalo has half his hd free!!!! Jan 21 02:59:24 how's everyone doing tonight? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 21 02:59:57 2011