**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 27 02:59:57 2011 Jan 27 02:59:57 thats kinda ridic Jan 27 03:00:00 they checked everyones name/badge when you went in Jan 27 03:00:11 well, the palm employees did the checking Jan 27 03:00:19 oh Chuq said there'd be a meetup on the 3rd thurs.. hmm, i don't think it happened Jan 27 03:00:19 but there was 2 big black dudes in suits standing around Jan 27 03:01:19 oil: for a $25 event, sounds more aggressive than some $300-1000 conferences I've been to! Jan 27 03:01:42 well, what we got cost WAY more then $25 Jan 27 03:01:58 catered breakfast/lunch/dinner for 2 days? Jan 27 03:02:33 not to mention a pre2 Jan 27 03:02:38 oil: Oh no doubt, but again, read the price range i'm comparing too.. OSCON has catered food Jan 27 03:02:59 oil: not to mention lucky strikes cost Jan 27 03:03:04 yeah Jan 27 03:03:07 they just hand Pre2s out to everyone in the room, not when you come in or leave and/or show your badge? Jan 27 03:03:10 they went all out Jan 27 03:03:17 probably should bring some disguises to get extra pre2's... ;^) Jan 27 03:03:20 they announced it in the morning Jan 27 03:03:26 and most picked it up during lunch break that day Jan 27 03:03:34 Lucky Strikes? As in, the cigarettes? :B Jan 27 03:03:41 ajay -- they handed a pre2 to everyone with a name badge. Jan 27 03:03:43 no, the bowling alley/club they rented out Jan 27 03:03:56 so, let's see... there were about 200 devs. Jan 27 03:03:56 with beer wenches Jan 27 03:04:23 rboatright: yeah exactly, so the security wasn't to prevent people from getting pre2s, was my point Jan 27 03:04:55 i wonder how many devs they're allowing to the feb9 event.. they shoulda just used the same room they're using for the press event.. ;^) Jan 27 03:05:03 lol Jan 27 03:05:17 I think the center holds, at max, like 3000 people? Jan 27 03:05:21 If you rent out the entire space Jan 27 03:05:43 Catered reasonably high quality breakfast and lunch two days, open bar, local microbrews, a pre2, and a completely private mid scale nightclub (lucky strikes) with unlimited food and an open bar. Jan 27 03:05:55 Plus, the venue is an expensive rental. Jan 27 03:06:18 Plus custom signage Jan 27 03:06:23 the only thing that was bad about it: internet connectivity Jan 27 03:06:25 plus shirts Jan 27 03:06:26 I've gotten all that for free at conferences Jan 27 03:06:43 I figured that they spent something on the close order of $500 per dev. Jan 27 03:06:58 rboatright: I know for a fact that your figure is way under. Jan 27 03:07:02 ajay -- at a conference for a marginal product by ONE vendor? Jan 27 03:07:08 rwhitby ok. Jan 27 03:07:36 rwhitby doesn't matter if I'm low by a factor of four. The point is, it was a $25 registration. Jan 27 03:07:38 rboatright: at conference after-Parties, which are thrown by one vendor, so yes Jan 27 03:08:29 maybe not unlimited food, but google, maybe intel, maybe others, have provided me with free lunch at conferences before, and those were unlimited food, and light security Jan 27 03:08:46 (oh actually I already mentioned that, OSCON, before..) Jan 27 03:09:07 rboatright: who you callin marginal! Jan 27 03:09:23 lol Jan 27 03:11:28 * ajay is having trouble finding a good "unknown caller" ringtone, so going with 'Whats my name'.. i bet thats damned engadget's influence/fault Jan 27 03:12:48 * rwhitby would choose the "that's not my name" song Jan 27 03:13:34 oh! actually I forgot, I had started just trying to find a 'reminder' (for calendar) ringtone, dunno how I got so distracted! haha.. ;^) Jan 27 03:13:39 http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/t/the_ting_tings/thats_not_my_name.html Jan 27 03:15:28 think that website could have more ads? Jan 27 03:15:37 damnit howd you know I was curious.. ;^) Jan 27 03:16:00 oil: what, do you think that the internet should be free? You just want something for nothing, how would you feel if people pirated your software!! Jan 27 03:16:09 j/k.. ;^) Jan 27 03:16:17 pirates, meh Jan 27 03:16:22 * oil isn't concerned Jan 27 03:16:23 arrr Jan 27 03:16:49 what was the 25$ registration fee for? :o Jan 27 03:17:07 so people didn't just signup to signup Jan 27 03:17:09 RSVPing Jan 27 03:17:14 you had to be willing to part with $25 Jan 27 03:17:26 it's pay-to-play baby.. Jan 27 03:17:29 * SineOt got the confirmation email, but never anything about 25$ D: Jan 27 03:17:52 Or was this for DevDays NYC? Jan 27 03:18:04 for nyc Jan 27 03:18:14 Ah, had me all confused there for a second Jan 27 03:19:45 SineOt: yeah it got confusing, I was just wondering about getting into the Press Event, and suddenly we got transported to NYC.. all that unexpected teleportation was hard for me too.. Jan 27 03:20:05 it wasn't sudden Jan 27 03:20:15 a friend had offerred me a press badge once so I could get into museums for free, but.. alas.. i never got it.. Jan 27 03:20:21 i simply pointed out that there would probably be security to stop you from getting in Jan 27 03:20:36 Was for me! Read about press events, look down play with the dog, and suddenly! NYC! Jan 27 03:20:47 I have a feeling that the PR team is slightly different from devdays coordinators Jan 27 03:20:57 =( Jan 27 03:21:03 this sucks Jan 27 03:21:11 oil: i was being playful, I'm sure sineot was here for the whole disc.. ;^) Jan 27 03:21:27 I was able to hide the webview inside the header so that users don't see it Jan 27 03:21:31 but this doesn't seem to work Jan 27 03:21:42 Especially HP's CA PR team compared to NYC devdays Jan 27 03:22:23 nyceane: can't you give the body a z-index of say, 1, and the webview a z-index of -1, and hide it behind the background that way? Jan 27 03:22:53 let me try Jan 27 03:23:24 I thought save+restore backed up 'Advanced System Preferences' patches info? Jan 27 03:24:05 the man, the myth, the legend! Jan 27 03:24:20 no, it doesn't work tht way Jan 27 03:24:36 haha, my friend would always say that to describe Ralph during the '08 Presidential campaign.. :) Jan 27 03:24:38 SineOt, webview seems to ignore every kind of xyz manipulation Jan 27 03:24:39 Hey Chuq! Jan 27 03:24:45 chuqui! Jan 27 03:24:50 heeeeey chuqui :3 Jan 27 03:24:52 Funny timing, I was just wondering what was happening with that local meetup Jan 27 03:24:54 great blog post the other day Jan 27 03:25:08 ? Jan 27 03:25:08 @chuqui, did at one at palm successfuly intergrated webos app with google analytics? Jan 27 03:25:46 SineOt: which blog post is that? Jan 27 03:26:37 ajay: https://twitter.com/chuq/status/30120504912252928 Jan 27 03:27:41 anywayz, i'll just ask tomorrow Jan 27 03:29:53 SineOt, got it Jan 27 03:30:47 visibility:hidden; Jan 27 03:30:47 position:fixed; Jan 27 03:30:49 ha Jan 27 03:35:00 that's one way of doing it! Jan 27 03:35:12 chuqui: is the planning of a January meetup scrapped in favor of the feb9 dev event? Jan 27 03:35:46 there wouldn't be much to talk about, that's for sure... XD Jan 27 03:36:18 i got it working =D Jan 27 03:36:21 yay!!! Jan 27 03:36:23 skldf jsafjsaopsa Jan 27 03:36:46 SineOt: if that was a response to me, i don't think you understand the point of meetups.. Jan 27 03:36:53 chuqui, i m going to the hp event, should i open source google analytics with webos and facebook connect with webos before or after? Jan 27 03:37:00 I can give you guys some good headlines =) Jan 27 03:37:06 networking and such, sure Jan 27 03:37:32 lol, ttyl =) gota go home Jan 27 03:38:14 good headlines? I heard all press is good press.. :) Jan 27 03:39:57 unless it's a story about you drowning kittens in the blood of newborns. I think that would fall under -evil- press :p Jan 27 03:41:10 SineOt: think about it.. "At Palm HQ today, there was a person apprehended for drowning kittens in the blood of newborns" Jan 27 03:41:23 sounds evil to me! Jan 27 03:41:29 the average person's response? "Who/What's Palm?" Jan 27 03:41:34 at Palm, you say? Jan 27 03:41:38 lol Jan 27 03:41:50 So of course the newscaster would have added to the above sentence "Palm, maker of smartphones such as the Pre, Pre 2 and Pixi.." Jan 27 03:41:54 I think it'd be more like "Aren't the ones that make like, those Pilot things!" Jan 27 03:42:25 SineOt: Either way, my point is made -- mindshare created! "Oh, Palm's still around, I haven't really heard of them since those Pilot things.. and i do need a smartphone.." Jan 27 03:42:54 "but do I really need on that drowns kittens in baby's blood..." :P Jan 27 03:42:57 "and i did love those palm pilots.. the graffiti and all, so clever! they're so innovative, I really like that palm!" Jan 27 03:45:30 there was a time when the majority of business users had a palm Jan 27 03:45:40 SineOt: that sentence wasn't even grammatical, so i don't know what you mean, but that isn't really going to form a strong connection Jan 27 03:45:44 now they use blackberry Jan 27 03:45:53 I'm being facetious P: Jan 27 03:46:14 Deihmos: and likely forgotten about Palm, so only if there was a reminder from their friendly newscasters! Jan 27 03:46:40 lack of innovation got palm to where they are now Jan 27 03:46:57 palm os was really old a long time ago Jan 27 03:47:29 Deihmos: exactly, and people probably know that, so they kind of forgot about Palm years ago, so that's why SineOt is going to do what he described earlier on feb 8th when he comes to Palm HQ Jan 27 03:48:02 but they don't know/realize about recent innovations Jan 27 03:48:25 damnit, everytime my phone turns off, it's in silent mode. No, the ringer switch is set properly, I have to toggle it to silent and back to be normal.. any thoughts? Jan 27 03:48:47 that kills my ability to use it as an alarm.. (I have it turn on with a timer.. so old school it's high-tech, huh? :) Jan 27 03:48:50 i never liked palm actually. I always thought they made crappy devices for some reason even though I never used one. The Sprint advertisement got me though and my old phone was a winmo Jan 27 03:50:08 ironically, somewhere between the underdoggedness, and 'the other Linux-based OS' got me.. Jan 27 03:50:28 the pre was impressive when i first got it especially since i was coming from winmo Jan 27 03:50:52 actually, it's funny I didn't end up on Maemo.. I guess that's a harder proposition with the unsubsidized (and SIM-based) hw, unfortunately Jan 27 03:51:11 I did get free wine from Palm like 2 years ago though, kinda forgot about it for awhile though.. :) Jan 27 03:51:41 (at a conference reception, another place where 1 vendor was giving free food/beverages) Jan 27 03:52:13 anybody got a good reminder ringtone/suggestion? (for the calendar) Jan 27 03:53:13 the palm pre alam kept failing for me Jan 27 03:53:27 would work for a few days then stop Jan 27 04:01:41 Deihmos: you mean it just wouldn't play anymore? Jan 27 04:02:08 wouldn't alarm Jan 27 04:03:59 weird Jan 27 04:05:31 * ajay was wondering why this web script wasn't working, then notices the 'segmentation fault' in apache logs.. the plot thickens! Jan 27 04:05:44 common problem Jan 27 04:06:34 rwhitby: Just saw an interesting problem with freeTether... Jan 27 04:08:02 man, I have no idea how people can end up acting so overtly suspicious! it's like, are they even TRYING? Jan 27 04:08:49 suspicious activity you say? Jan 27 04:09:07 Sitting in the middle of the intersection on a cul-de-sac, with the headlights on, pointing at the door of a house... Then inching forward as I pass by, then driving off at like 25 then sloooooowing to a crawl, then taking off again! Jan 27 04:09:07 I'm playing with Twilio's OpenVBX.. their github version doesn't work properly, but their regular tarball won't let me login.. trying to mix code, looks to be more complicated than i'd've suspected Jan 27 04:09:42 Roy-Pre1011: you want to talk to PuffTheMagic or egaudet` Jan 27 04:10:07 they're probably just afraid you're someone's daughter they're longing for but can't bring themselves to it.. Jan 27 04:10:08 PuffTheMagic: egaudet`: anyone around? Jan 27 04:10:34 i thought irc had an idle cmd.. Jan 27 04:14:36 it does /away Jan 27 04:14:41 but no one ever uses it Jan 27 04:15:01 I know, I thought some clients had an autoaway but I don't quite see it.. Jan 27 04:15:22 rboatright: I was more referring to a cmd that would show you someone else's idle time.. I thought /whois would do it but i don't see it.. Jan 27 04:16:29 whois would do it IF they set away. Jan 27 04:16:34 but it doesn't because they don't Jan 27 04:16:45 but there's a better command anyway. Jan 27 04:17:20 if the channel has an infobot running in it like #webos-internals does. then you can do ~seen usernick Jan 27 04:17:28 but since webos doesn't have a bot... Jan 27 04:17:36 ~seen rwhitby Jan 27 04:17:40 doesn't do anything Jan 27 04:17:57 hm, guess we need a bot! Jan 27 04:18:03 then we can sing "I'm on a bot!" Jan 27 04:18:21 * ajay thinks he has that 4sq badge, fwiw.. ;^) Jan 27 04:26:59 oops Jan 27 04:32:15 okay, I set autoaway, so we'll see what happens next time i'm accidentally auto-away! alright, all's too quiet now, ttfn! Jan 27 04:57:12 rboatright: Greetings! Jan 27 05:26:15 hello people Jan 27 05:48:44 what's up people? Jan 27 05:48:57 my ceiling.. :P Jan 27 05:49:13 soon my eye-lids, though :) Jan 27 05:49:25 lol Jan 27 05:50:59 those stupid glyphs! Jan 27 05:51:08 trying to figure out a good way to express volume up and down Jan 27 05:52:58 a +/- button :) Jan 27 05:53:08 like it is on you're TV remote Jan 27 05:53:26 yeah, but that's really vague... hm Jan 27 05:53:43 make it Vol+/Vol- Jan 27 05:54:04 No words! Won't fit in stylistically Jan 27 05:54:15 hmmm Jan 27 05:54:36 ^ Jan 27 05:54:40 | Jan 27 05:54:51 lets try that again :p Jan 27 05:55:07 speaker with one "sound line", speaker with multiple "sound lines" Jan 27 05:55:28 <-/-> Jan 27 05:55:42 good idea oil Jan 27 05:56:02 SineOt has yet to take any of my ideas for button icons though :) Jan 27 05:56:12 well, I got to go Jan 27 05:56:17 * PatrickC_Pre nite Jan 27 05:56:23 * SineOt has that basically right now, but needs to get a good looking speaker facsimile Jan 27 05:56:31 oil: what else have you recommended? :o Jan 27 05:56:40 others Jan 27 05:56:44 they're in the log :) Jan 27 05:57:00 like I'm going to search through months upon months of logs ;_; Jan 27 05:57:10 * SineOt feels dumb and rude now! Jan 27 05:57:28 :,( Jan 27 05:57:49 * PatrickC_Pre this is gettin good. he might have to stay up longer :p Jan 27 05:58:46 naaa. he's gonna go to bed Jan 27 05:58:47 night Jan 27 05:59:12 ._., Jan 27 06:28:03 http://cl.ly/0N3W1t2M102L1Y0J2t39 http://cl.ly/04021u1E2N3p033Y1M1B finally D: Jan 27 06:28:04 done Jan 27 06:49:41 PuffTheMagic: egaudet`: anyone around? Jan 27 07:22:57 morning Jan 27 07:52:46 morning swisstomcat Jan 27 07:53:11 morning hotdp Jan 27 07:53:17 proof of concept is done Jan 27 07:53:58 And was it a succes? Jan 27 07:57:54 yeah, customer is happy Jan 27 07:58:04 good Jan 27 07:58:11 then you can getting started? Jan 27 07:59:10 we have a 6 week pause Jan 27 07:59:13 before we start again Jan 27 07:59:17 (business reasons) Jan 27 07:59:46 ok Jan 27 07:59:53 so now you can play angrybirds for 6 weeks? Jan 27 08:00:34 yeah :) Jan 27 08:00:47 how is your app coming along? (to display products) Jan 27 08:02:59 Its rocking Jan 27 08:03:17 the development speed it faster and faster Jan 27 08:03:23 and the performance is also good Jan 27 08:03:36 But i have to estimate a new asaignment today Jan 27 08:03:37 how did you end up storing the images? Jan 27 08:04:20 I use the functions there Jan 27 08:04:30 and it will not work offline Jan 27 08:07:57 i see Jan 27 08:45:27 I hope this is true - http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/273697-1-million-app-contest.html Jan 27 08:59:12 nice Jan 27 08:59:18 i won $1000 in the last one Jan 27 09:10:29 i messed up and missed the last one Jan 27 09:11:03 procrastinated so much Jan 27 09:37:55 hi Jan 27 09:54:24 hi Jan 27 10:25:56 hello Jan 27 10:26:38 i'm trying to dynamically update a viewmodel title using this: this.controller.modelChanged(this.viewMenuModel); Jan 27 10:26:45 but it doesn't seem to do anything Jan 27 10:46:30 can you post some code? Jan 27 10:46:40 in what context your are calling that Jan 27 11:18:56 yeah Jan 27 11:20:32 {label: $L("" + theMonths[theMonth] + " " + theYear + ""), command:'Month', width:200 }, is the code for the label i want to change in the viewmenu Jan 27 11:20:45 and i have it to where you can flick between months Jan 27 11:20:55 when you flick to the next month Jan 27 11:21:24 this is called: this.controller.modelChanged(this.viewMenuModel); Jan 27 11:22:57 do you need more code? Jan 27 11:47:13 if possible, yes Jan 27 11:47:20 who calls this.controller.modelchanged? Jan 27 11:50:25 mmm, the coffee from 4 hours ago is still powering me. :) Jan 27 12:05:00 http://pastebin.com/2rNFzHnd Jan 27 12:16:03 looks like that code still needs to update the this.viewMenuModel? Jan 27 12:16:54 true Jan 27 12:18:49 oooo! I am totally excited about some of the stuff that I am doing for the Universe web browser for webOS. :D Jan 27 12:19:03 this will blow the default browser out of the water. Jan 27 12:19:51 universe web browser? Jan 27 12:20:06 Yeah! I used to write it for PalmOS. Now I am writing it for webOS. Jan 27 12:20:20 http://www.openmobl.com/universe/ Jan 27 12:21:05 oh Jan 27 12:21:25 It was the first native tabbed browser for the PalmOS Jan 27 12:21:50 nice Jan 27 12:31:35 alright, bed time. good night #webos! Jan 27 12:33:46 night Jan 27 12:37:46 rehi Jan 27 12:38:42 hmm Jan 27 13:57:49 Hello all , please could you confirm that i can install the webos 2.0 on a PALM Pre plus even if the firmware is under the section PRE 2 unlocked ? Jan 27 13:59:42 hello Jan 27 13:59:56 no, you can't Jan 27 14:00:15 there's only a pre2 doctor and it only works on the pre2 Jan 27 14:00:38 as an early access developer, you might have more options however Jan 27 14:03:21 ok thanks swisstomcat1 , the firmware are all hardware dependant .. thanks again Jan 27 15:04:36 morning, all Jan 27 15:05:07 morning Jan 27 15:41:52 Murnin Jan 27 15:42:41 hey halfhalo Jan 27 15:43:03 Hola Jan 27 15:44:24 mrng Jan 27 16:08:57 hey ppl Jan 27 16:09:33 hey Jan 27 16:10:05 I can't wait for 2.0 Jan 27 16:10:23 i already have it Jan 27 16:11:06 lucky Jan 27 16:11:30 how is it Jan 27 16:11:46 pretty good Jan 27 16:11:49 (on the pre2) Jan 27 16:11:52 ya Jan 27 16:11:57 I have pixi plus Jan 27 16:12:09 overclocked at 804 Jan 27 16:12:30 nice Jan 27 16:12:57 ya Jan 27 16:44:10 hay Jan 27 18:55:45 Hi everyone. I am new to the palm os community. I wanted to ask is there any TTS engine available in Palm ?? Jan 27 18:57:37 not natively Jan 27 19:01:54 bpadalin, so if i had to implement it in palm. what can be done? can i use any open source tts engine somehow? Jan 27 19:03:18 sure, you can look at making it a service that runs in the background .. Jan 27 19:04:18 or make it a hybrid app with a binary plugin that gets loaded Jan 27 19:07:33 bpadalinino, thanks. from where can i get material on these app development? Jan 27 19:09:35 http://developer.palm.com has good information .. Jan 27 19:09:47 the webos-internals wiki has some good examples and information as well Jan 27 19:09:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Jan 27 19:10:05 there is also a channel, #webos-internals, specifically for that stuff Jan 27 19:11:02 webos101.com has good info too! Don't forget them Jan 27 19:11:15 there you go Jan 27 19:11:42 ok i will lokk into them. thanks alot Jan 27 19:11:47 np, and good luck Jan 27 19:13:41 I'm really happy with how these new icons turned out. http://cl.ly/0N3W1t2M102L1Y0J2t39 Jan 27 19:13:50 It's surprising what you can do with some CSS and the stock webOS widgets. Jan 27 19:14:02 http://cl.ly/04021u1E2N3p033Y1M1B Jan 27 19:17:06 hey dohtem Jan 27 19:17:17 hello SineOtter Jan 27 19:18:28 did you see the new icons I did for Squish Remote? :o Jan 27 19:19:07 yeah, saw em last night Jan 27 19:19:10 looking awesome Jan 27 19:19:23 the >>| looks a little squished tho Jan 27 19:19:47 rudder squished! Jan 27 19:20:42 yeah but that's a problem with having only that much space to work in :< Jan 27 19:20:49 80x80 gets a little constrained Jan 27 19:21:19 but at least it's not the 56x56 or so you've got for a viable application icon! Jan 27 19:21:38 I thought it was 48*48? Jan 27 19:23:17 for the "small icon" that as far as I can tell, really only gets used in the App Catalog Jan 27 19:23:42 app icons give you 64x64, and if you include a drop shadow, etc, cuts down to about 56x56 Jan 27 19:23:43 did you already submit the update to Palm? Jan 27 19:24:01 No, not yet. I made a bunch of backend changes to support the Boxee Box that I still need to test out before I push it Jan 27 19:24:44 The Boxee Box strips out a few of the API calls that I used previously to get at some special functions, but looking through the open source parts of the code I think I found a way around that but I want to test it first Jan 27 19:25:06 because while they closed off execBuiltIn(), they didn't close off action(), which... Should let me still do what I want to Jan 27 19:25:36 Aren't weird APIs fun P: Jan 27 19:25:46 heh Jan 27 19:26:32 yeah, the one I'm using spits out ASP.NET errors when the server hiccups. I have no idea how to handle that Jan 27 19:26:47 can data be used while using the phone to make a call Jan 27 19:26:59 s2i: depends on the network Jan 27 19:27:12 i know i can do it on wifi, but what about evdo Jan 27 19:27:17 no Jan 27 19:27:39 darn. one advantage the bold has... -_- Jan 27 19:27:44 GSM, yes. LTE, yes (I think), EVDO, no. Jan 27 19:28:23 oh Jan 27 19:28:35 Yeah, it's a network thing, not really a phone thing Jan 27 19:28:41 technically LTE is an all IP network .. so there is no distinction between voice and data Jan 27 19:28:54 would've been cool if we could have done that Jan 27 19:29:06 just like how CDMA apparently can't hang up only one part of a multi-line call, it can only hang up all of them Jan 27 19:29:24 bpadalino: ah, didnt know that Jan 27 19:29:26 oh i've wondered why sprint phones do that Jan 27 19:29:27 lol Jan 27 19:29:30 while GSM can? or something. All I know is people whine about it all the time Jan 27 19:29:56 i have to admit, the wifi board swap was definitely worth the money Jan 27 19:30:03 radio board* Jan 27 19:32:01 ah, you've got a Sprint Pixi? How much did you pay for the Pixi+ to get the wifi board? Jan 27 19:34:00 sineotter: i paid $25 for a verizon pixi Jan 27 19:34:10 apparently they were selling it due to a bad microphone Jan 27 19:34:21 man, that's a good price :o Jan 27 19:34:24 the phone was in great shape, even came with a touchstone backing Jan 27 19:34:30 yea, ebay is the best place Jan 27 19:34:36 I'll have to look into doing the swap on mine... Maybe Jan 27 19:34:41 lol Jan 27 19:34:44 I'm debating on if I want to do anything like that Jan 27 19:34:51 im still kinda pissed i voided the warranty Jan 27 19:34:54 or if I should roll the dice and get another return Jan 27 19:35:04 yeah mine has a half dead keyboard backlight but it's still under warranty Jan 27 19:35:13 lol i had that on my last pixi too Jan 27 19:35:30 i returned the phone total of 3 times before i did the board swap Jan 27 19:35:46 right under the shift key, yeah? Jan 27 19:35:57 exact same piece Jan 27 19:36:06 it would flicker if i pressed the shift Jan 27 19:36:38 yup Jan 27 19:36:43 mine's just completely dead now Jan 27 19:36:47 on that side Jan 27 19:36:52 lol Jan 27 19:36:57 it doesn't bother me but it's still kind of annoying Jan 27 19:37:30 i see. i always need the light since i'm constanly texting 24/7 Jan 27 19:38:21 you can still see the keys because of light leaking from the still working side of the keyboard :3 Jan 27 19:38:32 (that and I'm to the point where I can type on it without looking...) Jan 27 19:38:48 lol Jan 27 19:39:19 i wish the keyboard had those bumps on the F and J key so our fingers know where they are Jan 27 19:40:25 * s2i is away: _______ Jan 27 19:40:29 it does o_o Jan 27 19:40:42 it does? Jan 27 19:40:47 yeah Jan 27 19:40:54 mine dosent Jan 27 19:41:02 well, on the f key at least Jan 27 19:41:12 thats for the number 5 Jan 27 19:41:18 are you talking about the pre's keyboard or the pixi Jan 27 19:41:23 Pixi Jan 27 19:41:34 strange, i have no bump at all Jan 27 19:41:42 weird Jan 27 19:41:49 Maybe it changed somewhere along the line Jan 27 19:41:56 these are both launch Pixis Jan 27 19:41:56 maybe Jan 27 19:42:05 oh maybe thats why Jan 27 19:43:12 would anyone know what was updated in MHS 1.1.4 Jan 27 19:43:23 * SineOtter bought his first Pixi the day it came out, and the replacement wasn't a refurb and had a manufacture date in October, so it was built before the launch... Considering it launched in November. Jan 27 19:43:38 hmm Jan 27 19:46:11 what is MHS? Jan 27 19:47:08 Mobile Hot Spot Jan 27 19:47:23 ok Jan 27 19:47:26 thx Jan 27 20:01:48 is com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.14_all.ipk version 1.1.4? Jan 27 20:01:57 im thrown off where it says 1.0.14 Jan 27 20:10:49 there's two versions Jan 27 20:12:12 http://codingbees.com/2011/01/19/power-scrolling/ - whoa, implementing now Jan 27 20:13:17 POOOOOOWER SCROLLING Jan 27 20:13:20 quite the name Jan 27 20:14:00 like Power Rangers but, um, bad ass Jan 27 20:14:48 that's actually pretty cool Jan 27 20:15:38 I take it that if you wanted to do it side to side, you'd use gestureX instead, yeh? Jan 27 20:16:34 dunno, haven't played around with it yet Jan 27 20:16:51 * SineOtter is going to play with it later, seems like a cool thing to add Jan 27 20:17:50 I heard sprint 2.1 doctor was leaked is dis tru Jan 27 20:17:58 I doubt it Jan 27 20:18:22 i cry now Jan 27 20:19:26 * SineOtter pat pats torchie Jan 27 20:19:43 i need some patting... i can no longer tether with MHS :( Jan 27 20:20:14 s2i: get FreeTether instead~ Jan 27 20:20:40 freetether is the jam Jan 27 20:20:47 i just tried it. when i connect, the DHCP indicator turns off Jan 27 20:20:55 which version were you using? Jan 27 20:20:59 lemme check Jan 27 20:21:20 org.webosinternals.freetether_0.99.13_arm.ipk Jan 27 20:21:30 I'm going to say... Reboot the phone! Jan 27 20:21:58 already did Jan 27 20:22:20 im about to remove MHS along with all other services that were installed to make it work and try it back Jan 27 20:22:32 cure that 1.1.4 update Jan 27 20:22:40 curse* Jan 27 20:25:16 can services be uninstalled from WOSQI? Jan 27 20:31:44 ah, i think i see what i did wrong Jan 27 20:33:48 woot Jan 27 20:34:16 was able to get free tix to san fran for the 9th, as well as the day off ;D Jan 27 20:35:03 how'd you manage the free tickets? Jan 27 20:35:27 asked a favor at work, i work for a company that works for us airways Jan 27 20:35:30 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1366.snc4/163873_10100215198881597_8615653_61129394_492643_n.jpg Jan 27 20:35:31 LOL Jan 27 20:35:47 oscarmyer is obviously downsizing due to the economy Jan 27 20:38:36 dawm: you gonna fly out for the 2.5 hr event? That's dedication :) Jan 27 20:39:04 i missed out on all the dev days due to schedule conflicts, plus i havent been to cali Jan 27 20:39:55 be sure to have In-n-Out when you are here :) Jan 27 20:40:16 I should get that for lunch... Jan 27 20:40:27 we used to have those here ;p Jan 27 20:40:32 so i've had it :P Jan 27 20:40:49 see, if you were near LA I would say go to tommies Jan 27 20:40:58 hah i got it working :D Jan 27 20:41:02 farthest west ive been is vegas Jan 27 20:41:30 are speeds faster when you tether via usb Jan 27 20:41:37 vs wifi Jan 27 20:42:36 thats a good question Jan 27 20:42:45 indeed! Jan 27 20:42:45 the upside to usb is its charging Jan 27 20:43:54 lol Jan 27 20:44:15 * halfhalo is debating whether to go for innout right now or in 20 minutes Jan 27 20:44:33 wifi still can load youtube videos faily well Jan 27 20:44:54 halfhalo: PST? wait till the lunch rush is over. Jan 27 20:45:28 but.... innout!!! Jan 27 20:46:24 hmm Jan 27 21:49:48 hi Jan 27 21:53:33 Is there a way to add fields to the standard webOS help scene? Jan 27 21:53:43 Or is there documentation on the scene? I can't find any anywhere Jan 27 21:54:29 can anyone please help me with some "political/licence" rulez for creating meta package ? Jan 27 21:58:32 twbbas: you think like this ? http://www.net-tech-group.com/pre/part_4.html Jan 27 22:35:21 Thanks k3dar. I ended up just making a different application menu item for the thing I had to add. Jan 27 22:41:17 Does anyone here know how to use PhoneGap without having to include mojo in the source? Jan 27 23:31:04 @chuqui are you here? Jan 27 23:31:18 yawn... Jan 27 23:31:24 nyceane: hey! Jan 27 23:31:37 hey chuqui, I've got facebook connect and google analytics working on webos Jan 27 23:31:47 I was wondering if you guys want that to be part of HP Palm event in feburary Jan 27 23:32:09 I can definately create some nice examples before then Jan 27 23:32:14 and open source it Jan 27 23:32:29 is it something of your interest? Jan 27 23:33:36 nyceane: send me an email with information on it. I'll ask around. It definitely sounds interesting to me. Jan 27 23:34:06 chuq@palm.com? Jan 27 23:34:42 I am polishing up my app first, then I'll create examples for it Jan 27 23:35:18 nyceane: yup. great! Jan 27 23:51:33 where can i find the driver for the RNDIS Ethernet Gadget for the pixi Jan 27 23:51:54 im looking everywhere and am limited to 1 hour and 53 minutes before my laptop shuts down Jan 27 23:52:49 s2i: for what os ? Jan 27 23:53:14 7 Jan 27 23:58:48 got it Jan 27 23:58:54 http://discussion.treocentral.com/attachments/palm-pixi/51169d1283807900-how-tether-sprint-pixi-usbnet-pixi.zip Jan 28 00:00:20 s2i: :) Jan 28 00:04:30 i got bored and made some decals for my macbook http://bit.ly/hogfls Jan 28 00:05:29 those are awesome, dawm Jan 28 00:06:31 if i had some orange vinyl i would have done palm instead of HP Jan 28 00:07:48 ok, that is really sweet! where can I get one? Jan 28 00:08:13 well i made 8 and used 1. Jan 28 00:08:30 dibs ;o Jan 28 00:09:56 dawm: Pretty impressive Jan 28 00:10:32 dawm: If you go to sell any, I'd love to buy one. :) Jan 28 00:10:44 bring em to Feb. 9 Jan 28 00:11:03 I am tempted to see if I can get you to make one of my company logo. It uses the same colors. :) Jan 28 00:11:07 I have my old 'palm' dev day sticker on my desk Jan 28 00:11:08 hah, if you brought them on the 9th, I'm sure far more than 7 people would want one Jan 28 00:11:17 maybe i should make more Jan 28 00:11:34 dkirker, got a image to show me? Jan 28 00:11:59 gosh, I keep trying to backswipe on my dad's iPhone Jan 28 00:12:01 fail Jan 28 00:12:04 the colors i have are black, white, silver (metallic), blue, pink and red. still starting out so i dont have a ton of colors ;p Jan 28 00:12:10 Tibfib, lolz Jan 28 00:12:18 I still need to make a proper company logo... Jan 28 00:12:55 SineOt, i can never settle on one, i end up making new ones over and over ;p Jan 28 00:13:07 yeah, but that biocandy labs logo is pretty nice :p Jan 28 00:13:12 SineOt: A rabid otter in the middle of an epileptic seizure? Jan 28 00:13:24 hard to express in tiny sizes! Jan 28 00:13:32 dawm: Sure do! http://www.openmobl.com/images/SignatureLogo.jpg The alternate logo is a version where the spiral is only 2d (it is hard to tell that it is 3d in the image). Jan 28 00:14:06 * dkirker has larger logos elsewhere Jan 28 00:14:14 yeah you cant tell its 3d heh you can see a gradient or bevel but Jan 28 00:14:26 argg... so jealous of final fantasy on iOS Jan 28 00:14:58 what?! Jan 28 00:15:02 which one? Jan 28 00:15:06 1 and 2 Jan 28 00:15:09 and tactics is coming soon Jan 28 00:15:12 arg Jan 28 00:15:16 I love tactics Jan 28 00:15:29 I knowwww Jan 28 00:15:33 tactics = best thing ever Jan 28 00:15:48 I bet they'll port it if someone kidnaps their pet. *hint* Jan 28 00:15:59 Jan 28 00:16:06 dohtem: please do Jan 28 00:16:21 oh no, I make the suggestions. I dont carry them out Jan 28 00:17:22 I'm officially jealous of iOS apps. Again. Jan 28 00:17:38 iOS apps on webOS = Perfect Jan 28 00:18:09 ui on iOS is a pain. back arrow is tough to get too. multi-tasking is unintuitive Jan 28 00:18:54 Yeah Jan 28 00:23:28 just out of curiosity.. what would one be willing to pay for that decal i posted earlier? (since more than 2 have asked for one) Jan 28 00:23:41 $10 tops Jan 28 00:23:52 3, 4$ Jan 28 00:24:04 I'm assuming you're cutting them by hand :p Jan 28 00:24:33 he has the scars to prove it Jan 28 00:24:37 dawm: I'd say between $10 and $15. Jan 28 00:25:13 probably closer to $10. Jan 28 00:26:20 with a certificate of authenticity :) Jan 28 00:26:27 seriously? thats higher than i thought Jan 28 00:26:54 A good comparison is here: http://www.etsy.com/shop/LastFuse?section_id=6887587 Jan 28 00:27:08 Your decals appear to be a bit more complex, too. Jan 28 00:27:25 dawm: in SF, those small artsy shops that sell vinyl art and kidrobot stuff are overpriced like that Jan 28 00:27:54 ok so $4.99 it is Jan 28 00:27:56 :P Jan 28 00:28:18 alright, I'll take one! Jan 28 00:29:23 either round it down or round it up! who carries pennies any more :p Jan 28 00:30:02 * dkirker throws pennies at SineOt Jan 28 00:30:05 * SineOt is realizing that Stickerrobot has really dropped their prices! Jan 28 00:30:12 lol ok 5 Jan 28 00:31:38 dawm: you gonna sell em through etsy? Jan 28 00:31:51 no, no need Jan 28 00:31:55 ive got st1ck3rs.com ;P Jan 28 00:31:57 I don't think HP would like that too much Jan 28 00:32:24 yeh this isnt gonna be plasterd all over, its like orkut.. invite only Jan 28 00:32:53 * SineOt sits outside of dawm's place, camping out for an invite..! Jan 28 00:33:16 time to get the sleeping bag and the fold-up chair! :D Jan 28 00:33:32 it's like Black Friday all over again! Jan 28 00:33:45 charge the doors!! charge the doors!! Jan 28 00:34:06 Anyone got a Boxee Box by chance? Jan 28 00:34:30 not me :( Jan 28 00:36:29 * SineOt has to just test 4 API calls to make sure they work on the Boxee Box before he can push this update... Jan 28 00:37:46 you dont have one? Jan 28 00:38:34 I do, but it's not here at the house. I keep it out at my gf's apartment. Jan 28 00:51:05 for those that asked Jan 28 00:51:07 http://twitter.com/#!/getst1ck3rs/status/30789773115265025 Jan 28 00:53:58 got one! :D Jan 28 00:58:57 hey, dawm: did you see the new graphics I cooked up for Squish Remote? :o Jan 28 00:59:08 no? Jan 28 01:00:28 http://cl.ly/0N3W1t2M102L1Y0J2t39 http://cl.ly/04021u1E2N3p033Y1M1B Jan 28 01:00:34 any input is way appreciated Jan 28 01:01:22 do they have a down? Jan 28 01:01:35 er pressed Jan 28 01:01:52 selected? Jan 28 01:02:13 yup Jan 28 01:02:24 it's pretty slick in action Jan 28 01:02:25 looks great Jan 28 01:02:45 the speaker might need a bit more definition tho Jan 28 01:02:48 they desaturate slightly on press and the "icon" I guess moves down with it Jan 28 01:02:54 i mean i know its a speaker, but Jan 28 01:03:03 have you thought about instead of buttons having gestures for stuff ? double taps, swipes, etc ? Jan 28 01:03:06 yeah the speaker is probably the worst offender. Hard to get something that looks good and fits in Jan 28 01:03:11 so you don't have to look down to operate Jan 28 01:03:24 does the block/button portion recess? Jan 28 01:03:40 bpadalino: it's a possibility yeah, but that's something for the "Pro" version if I did it Jan 28 01:04:09 it recesses, I guess? the upper part of the button slides down like 3 pixels, if that makes sense-so the edge on it shrinks... like a real button Jan 28 01:04:26 ok cause thats what i assumed Jan 28 01:04:29 yeah Jan 28 01:04:31 neat Jan 28 01:26:17 SineOt: I like the graphics! Very gentle on the eyes. :) Jan 28 01:38:02 * SineOt finally, a bit late, sure, but finally has VIDEO of the app in action. Jan 28 01:38:46 http://cl.ly/1a3z081A422z2Z16052S < Yay! Jan 28 01:40:01 oh, hey, speaking of: dawm if you want, I can send you the customized version of SimFinger I used Jan 28 01:40:55 what did you use to record it? Jan 28 01:42:35 App called ScreenFlow Jan 28 01:43:05 friend of mine uses it to demo iPhone apps Jan 28 01:43:29 please do Jan 28 01:43:33 then the Pre overlay and "finger" is SimFinger Jan 28 01:43:59 i attempted to use simfinger on my macbook air but it couldnt handle recording, ive got a normal macbook which is much much faster now Jan 28 01:44:41 dawm: http://cl.ly/0M2f3q1N0w0e3u0w063U Jan 28 01:45:08 thanks! Jan 28 01:46:09 you know thinking about it, I could probably use Quicktime X + Handbrake to do better encodes... And for free! P: Jan 28 01:46:26 * SineOt jots down to try that some time, forgot QtX has screen recording. Jan 28 01:47:40 lets hope this doesnt go bad.. sending instructions to the cutter for 24 Jan 28 01:47:52 heh, still have a brand new Pixi touchstone back here Jan 28 01:48:07 and no pixi Jan 28 01:48:07 dohtem: you using it at all? Jan 28 01:48:12 nah Jan 28 01:48:37 I got it in a touchstone bundle from VZW for like $10 Jan 28 01:48:37 * SineOt has two green Pixi touchstone covers, both of them suffering from... Not even sure what to call it. "Premature separation?" Jan 28 01:48:44 want it? Jan 28 01:49:08 what color? black? Jan 28 01:49:12 yeah Jan 28 01:49:38 I'll deal with Palm, I need mah greeennnn Jan 28 01:49:45 * Tibfib has pixi touchstone cover too Jan 28 01:49:58 tried to give it away earlier... Jan 28 01:50:10 What color, Tibfib? Jan 28 01:50:14 normal Jan 28 01:50:20 Black is just so cliche! Jan 28 01:50:29 normal ain't no color I ever heard of! Jan 28 01:50:43 2 points for the movie reference Jan 28 01:51:40 black is great, my rubberized pre matches my thinkpad ;) Jan 28 01:53:05 I may take you two up on the backs if Palm won't replace this green one Jan 28 01:53:17 the separation issue is really bad Jan 28 01:53:31 I can overlook the magnet falling out, but the separation just should NOT be happening after two months Jan 28 01:55:13 half way done.. so far so good Jan 28 02:00:18 but yeah, dawm: see what I mean about them like, compressing? I like that the icon moves with it Jan 28 02:00:47 CSS multiple backgrounds + background positioning in pixels = <3 Jan 28 02:07:38 well, if i had a mac, id use it :) Jan 28 02:22:09 ok, new laptop is functional enough to create and push a new Govnah version :) Jan 28 02:22:41 and new impostah? Jan 28 02:23:30 ohhhh, new shinyness is good Jan 28 02:24:19 New Govnah as in from the testing feed version to the main feed? Or a new testing version? Jan 28 02:25:39 eh, profile changes Jan 28 02:26:12 maybe we should switch those to pull from the server Jan 28 02:26:20 instead of updating the app every time one changes Jan 28 02:27:57 what type of data changes Jan 28 02:28:36 SineOt: thx for that SimFinger app Jan 28 02:29:06 now rwhitby will do awesome recordings of wi apps Jan 28 02:29:32 rwhitby: oh, no problem Jan 28 02:29:42 halfhalo: default profiles Jan 28 02:32:46 oil: pushed Jan 28 02:33:17 oil: how often do they change? Jan 28 02:33:46 they rarely change, but new ones are added when new kernels come into existence, like SR71 for Pre 2. Jan 28 02:34:38 * oil just doesnt want to get into having to release a new version every time there is a new kernel/updated kernel Jan 28 02:35:34 is it the same fields, constantly? Jan 28 02:35:40 well, you either need to test and release an app, or test and release a profile change. six/half-dozen Jan 28 02:36:02 cause there would need to be a "testing profiles" feed for it. starting to sound like work to me :) Jan 28 02:38:01 if its the same data structure, 15 minutes=rails app which has all the stuff, plus a testing flag. And that 15 minutes includes reading the newspaper Jan 28 02:38:30 it is literally one command Jan 28 02:38:42 * oil was thinking more, invisible to the user updates of some of the data Jan 28 02:39:08 actually, that would be a good way to learn how rails works Jan 28 02:39:31 just what we need, another point of failure Jan 28 02:40:09 failure is always an option! Jan 28 02:44:13 on the other hand, an online thing would be much more suited toward something like saverestor Jan 28 02:45:40 wow, GitX on mac is very nice Jan 28 02:45:49 oh yes Jan 28 02:46:04 I like Tower better right now Jan 28 02:46:22 but there's a "custom" build of GitX out there somewhere that adds a lot of missing features to it which is nice Jan 28 02:47:36 Yeah, here we go: https://github.com/brotherbard/gitx Jan 28 02:47:50 "Includes: sidebar, fetch, pull, push, add remote, merge, cherry-pick, rebase, clone, clone to." Jan 28 02:48:05 SineOt: that's the one I'm using Jan 28 02:48:13 Ah, cool~ Jan 28 02:48:34 * halfhalo just uses zsh and textmate Jan 28 02:48:47 well, I mainly use git command line in Emacs Jan 28 02:49:15 but this looks like it has good "blame" support Jan 28 02:49:16 But yeah check out git-tower.com too. Great UI P: Jan 28 02:50:00 SineOt: what's the price going to be at launch for Tower ? Jan 28 02:50:13 and where's the source code ... Jan 28 02:50:15 They haven't said yet, which is kind of discouraging :/ Jan 28 02:54:20 oil: SR71/Pre2 will do screenstate 300/1200 Jan 28 02:55:07 oil: it'll be the basis of the next UberKernel/Pre2 Jan 28 02:55:49 * rwhitby bbiab (lunch) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 28 02:59:56 2011