**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 29 02:59:56 2011
Jan 29 03:32:26 * PatrickC_Pre will be lurking
Jan 29 03:32:36 <PatrickC_Pre> hi guys
Jan 29 03:33:26 <Tibfib> howdy
Jan 29 03:33:57 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it goin?
Jan 29 03:34:17 <PatrickC_Pre> if I don't respond... I'm putting up trim lol
Jan 29 03:35:37 <funkatron> weeks after
Jan 29 03:35:43 <funkatron> how the fuck am I…
Jan 29 03:35:49 <funkatron> sheez.
Jan 29 03:37:38 <sstephenson> anyone here use Basecamp and want to try our mobile web app?
Jan 29 03:38:01 <SineOt> sure, sstephenson
Jan 29 03:38:02 <sstephenson> we've been testing it on the Pre 2
Jan 29 03:38:18 <SineOt> I've got a Pixi, so that'd be a good thing to test on :]
Jan 29 03:38:29 <sstephenson> no idea how it works on webOS < 2
Jan 29 03:38:41 <sstephenson> SineOt: could you message me your account subdomain?
Jan 29 03:39:12 <sstephenson> switch has to be flipped per-account
Jan 29 04:05:15 <SineOt> Hm, can webOS do HTTP digest auth?
Jan 29 04:15:08 <mugenx> that's a good question
Jan 29 04:16:17 <SineOt> hey mugenx :3
Jan 29 04:16:25 <SineOt> whatcha think of the new Squish Remote update?
Jan 29 04:18:35 <s2i> hey guys, im having trouble deleting messaging accounts. it just wont delete
Jan 29 04:18:54 <s2i> i click "remove account" and the spinner just sits there spinning
Jan 29 04:20:00 <oil> my experience, is that sometimes it takes a few mins
Jan 29 04:20:21 <s2i> eh, will give it over night.
Jan 29 04:20:45 <mugenx> hey brother!
Jan 29 04:20:50 <mugenx> LOVE it!
Jan 29 04:20:53 <mugenx> brb
Jan 29 04:20:57 <s2i> what other options do i have if it dosent delete
Jan 29 04:21:06 <oil> idk
Jan 29 04:21:12 <s2i> lol
Jan 29 04:21:17 <s2i> i might just doctor it
Jan 29 04:21:20 <oil> doctor?
Jan 29 04:21:21 <oil> haha
Jan 29 04:21:28 <oil> sounds like overkill
Jan 29 04:21:44 <s2i> lol :P i've been having other issues with it too
Jan 29 04:22:02 <s2i> like being unable to upload pics to fb from photo app
Jan 29 04:22:38 <s2i> im a major texter/photo person
Jan 29 04:40:54 <s2i> i think i broke the messaging app :D lol
Jan 29 04:41:05 <s2i> no longer launches
Jan 29 04:41:08 <s2i> even after reboot
Jan 29 04:41:33 <PatrickC_Pre> what at after batt pull?
Jan 29 04:41:54 <s2i> tried that, still a no go
Jan 29 04:42:07 <s2i> oh wait
Jan 29 04:42:08 <s2i> wait
Jan 29 04:42:10 <s2i> :D
Jan 29 04:42:16 <s2i> bingo!
Jan 29 04:43:29 <s2i> i think i've made another problem though
Jan 29 04:44:34 <s2i> i deleted one file from var/luna/data/dbdata/. i have PalmDatabase.db3, and PalmAccountDatabase.db3. im missing one file. forgot the name of it tho
Jan 29 08:08:48 <dohtem> OAuth is a bitch and a half
Jan 29 16:19:53 <haeffb> good morning, #webos
Jan 29 16:22:59 <Loudergood> good morning
Jan 29 16:38:28 <dawm|laptop> http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/710012/Angry-Birds-Playable-With-Kinect-Thanks-To-Latest-Hack.html
Jan 29 17:15:17 * phil_bw wanders by
Jan 29 18:54:31 <leiru> ppl at palm dev forums doesn't been able to read since few months, so my impression
Jan 29 18:55:05 <leiru> if text went over 3 lines, they seem to turn off their brains
Jan 29 18:55:15 <leiru> grml
Jan 29 19:03:48 <leiru> every time i encounter a real bug in "my apps" or the sdk i get this stupid answers.
Jan 29 19:04:03 <leiru> mostly it ends, that the suggestion is, to write to "pdc@palm.com"
Jan 29 19:04:06 <leiru> ... lol
Jan 29 19:04:52 <Tibfib> leiru: do you end up writing to pdc@palm.com?
Jan 29 19:06:09 <leiru> most time, and the comments before i write to pdc making me angry.
Jan 29 19:07:13 <Tibfib> palm's pretty busy at the moment. I'm not surprised they've been quiet in the forums
Jan 29 19:25:16 <swisstomcat> evening
Jan 29 19:44:51 <noland> Sprint upgrade coming up soon. Thinking about getting a webos device when announced next month
Jan 29 19:46:08 <noland> Does webos have napster, Mint, docs to go, and kindle?
Jan 29 19:47:37 <MetaView> it has earworm :)
Jan 29 19:47:50 <swisstomcat> kindle is supposed to come out soon
Jan 29 19:47:59 <swisstomcat> docs to go was replaced with quickoffice
Jan 29 19:48:30 <Tibfib> didn't we get a mint app? or did I read someone wanted it?
Jan 29 19:48:42 <MetaView> what is mint?
Jan 29 19:50:31 <Tibfib> dunno, just thought I read something about it on webOS
Jan 29 19:50:49 <gkatsev> mint is the personal finance tracker thingy
Jan 29 19:51:08 <Tibfib> yeah that :)
Jan 29 19:52:11 <noland> I just read that webos has no document and spreadsheet editor
Jan 29 19:52:41 <MetaView> it has a viwer and you can buy a editor
Jan 29 19:52:49 <Tibfib> noland: at the moment, yes
Jan 29 19:52:56 <swisstomcat> quickoffice will come with webos 2.0
Jan 29 19:53:21 <swisstomcat> since the documents to go maker was bought by RIM
Jan 29 19:53:54 <noland> As an editor or just a reader? I have Docs to go on my android phone
Jan 29 19:54:54 <Tibfib> reader is available now, editor will be available soon
Jan 29 19:55:23 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 29 20:02:24 <noland> hmm weird to have a smartphone without these features. I winder if Sprint will get win phone 7. Tired of the hero
Jan 29 20:03:04 <gkatsev> I think the timeline for w wp7 on sprint is within first half of 2011 if at all
Jan 29 20:03:34 <Spanska> Using the webOS SDK, it is possible to create an app to add "sound profiles" to webOS? For example, make it ring only for calls and nothing else, make it silent for anything, let it vibrate for anything, etc.
Jan 29 20:03:45 <Spanska> I meant, is it.
Jan 29 20:04:14 <swisstomcat> did you look at modeswitcher?
Jan 29 20:04:19 <swisstomcat> the homebrew app
Jan 29 20:04:26 <Tibfib> Spanska: It is possible in homebrew
Jan 29 20:04:58 <Spanska> swisstomcat: No, I didn't. I will look at it right now.
Jan 29 20:05:10 <Spanska> So the only way is to modify the OS?
Jan 29 20:05:22 <swisstomcat> i think so
Jan 29 20:05:56 <Tibfib> yeah probably
Jan 29 20:06:59 <Spanska> oh, so this was just released?¸
Jan 29 20:07:30 <swisstomcat> i don't think so
Jan 29 20:07:33 <swisstomcat> it has been around
Jan 29 20:08:00 <Spanska> Ok, I guess I didn't search correctly. I didn't find anything that could do that
Jan 29 20:09:00 <Spanska> swisstomcat, Tibfib: thanks for your answer, I'll try this :)
Jan 29 20:09:09 <swisstomcat> np
Jan 29 20:09:13 <Tibfib> yep
Jan 29 20:09:24 <Tibfib> mode switcher does a LOT so that's probably why it didn't show up :)
Jan 29 21:23:25 <Tibfib> anyone wanna test a experimental spaz build?
Jan 29 21:23:33 <Tibfib> with a new scroll to refresh?
Jan 29 21:23:34 <funkatron> ASK THOSE SUCKERS
Jan 29 21:23:39 <dawm> sweet, looks like i might be able to rent a car when im in SFO in feb. Mom's gonna cover it as my bday present :)
Jan 29 21:23:57 <Tibfib> dawm: nice!
Jan 29 21:24:26 <dawm> yeah, ill be able to sight see instead of hanging out at the airport for 5 hours before the event
Jan 29 21:26:15 <dawm> i unfortunately had to take the puppy to the vet today to get fixed/bandaged up. she cut herself on somethign on monday and i bandaged her up then. took it off this morning and it started to bleed so i had to take her in to get checked out. hopefully it heals w/ the surgical glue and excessive bandage they put on other wise its gonna require surgery (ill assume they mean stitches). wasnt expecting that expense ;(
Jan 29 21:26:59 <dawm> still no idea what she cut herself on, but she ruined my office carpet with blood stains (white carpet.. came with the house, was new so no reason to change it)
Jan 29 21:27:24 <dawm> managed to get a lot of it out, it just looks real dirty in spots. looked a ton worse initially
Jan 29 21:30:41 <halfhalo> puppy+white carpet=bad
Jan 29 21:31:49 <dawm> yeah.. the office and the bedroom have white carpet.. rest of the house has hardwood. wish the previous owners would have just done hardwood througout
Jan 29 21:35:52 <dawm> Joined: 2000-02-07 (11 years ago)
Jan 29 21:36:06 <dawm> my sourceforge acct.. that has no projects.. i could have sworn i had somethign on there way way back
Jan 29 21:43:00 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 29 22:02:51 <dohtem`> Tibfib: I'll test it
Jan 29 22:05:36 <oil> does it save theme selection?
Jan 29 22:05:36 <oil> xD
Jan 29 22:05:57 <Tibfib> dunno, does current one do that?
Jan 29 22:06:16 <oil> 203 doesnt
Jan 29 22:06:38 <Tibfib> oh, interesting
Jan 29 22:14:33 <swisstomcat> time for a question
Jan 29 22:14:57 <swisstomcat> given are a set of points (with x and y values)
Jan 29 22:15:36 <swisstomcat> how do i find out which of these point is the closest to a given x and y value?
Jan 29 22:16:01 <Tibfib> distance formula
Jan 29 22:16:08 <SineOt> yeah
Jan 29 22:17:25 <Tibfib> http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/b/f/cbf279f0a11d9ccab5d86fe325ff2804.png
Jan 29 22:18:50 <oil> my keyboard doesn't have a triangle key
Jan 29 22:18:51 <oil> lol
Jan 29 22:19:03 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 29 22:19:16 <swisstomcat> heh
Jan 29 22:19:29 <SineOt> it's delta!
Jan 29 22:19:40 <dohtem`> Tibfib: nice... I almost missed it till I saw "release to refresh"
Jan 29 22:20:25 <Tibfib> dohtem: yeah, I feel like it works great once you realize how it works :)
Jan 29 22:21:14 <dohtem> I posted from it.  Still poking around since its been a while since I used Spaz
Jan 29 22:22:18 <Tibfib> I plan on adding a few features tonight
Jan 29 22:22:56 <dohtem> hey my post doesnt show retweets
Jan 29 22:22:59 <dohtem> posts*
Jan 29 22:23:27 <Tibfib> talk to funkatron :)
Jan 29 22:23:44 <funkatron> what version?
Jan 29 22:23:55 <swisstomcat> good catch, tibfib .. i'll play with it to see if it works
Jan 29 22:24:20 <Tibfib> if it doesn't my education has been a lie
Jan 29 22:24:26 <swisstomcat> heh
Jan 29 22:24:32 <swisstomcat> i don't remember my education :)
Jan 29 22:24:49 <Tibfib> haha
Jan 29 22:25:16 <SineOt> yeah, it'd work swisstomcat :]
Jan 29 22:27:09 <dohtem> swisstomcat: there should be a library to do that for you
Jan 29 22:27:16 <dohtem> sounds like a common enough problem
Jan 29 22:27:22 <swisstomcat> really?
Jan 29 22:27:54 <swisstomcat> i had a similar problem before, but it was coordinates (GPS) and i solved in in sql :)
Jan 29 22:28:04 <swisstomcat> this seems easier
Jan 29 22:29:11 <Tibfib> oh swisstomcat: you'll want this one http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/0/f/70f21f8d56472663b4a3daf55117b78c.png
Jan 29 22:29:29 <swisstomcat> ugh
Jan 29 22:29:40 <Tibfib> function(cord1, cord2){ return sqrt((cord2.x-cord1.x)^2 + (cord2.y-cord1.y)^2)}
Jan 29 22:29:41 <Tibfib> ta da
Jan 29 22:30:07 <Tibfib> can't remember name for sqrt.. Math.sqrt or something
Jan 29 22:30:45 <SineOt> yeah pretty sure it's Math.sqrt
Jan 29 22:32:11 <swisstomcat> 1=Math.sqrt(Math.pow(x2-x1,2)+Math.pow(y2-y1,2));
Jan 29 22:32:23 <swisstomcat> s/1/p1
Jan 29 22:32:40 <Tibfib> seeee, you gottt it
Jan 29 22:32:56 <swisstomcat> well, it spits out a value
Jan 29 22:33:12 <oil> why squares? i thought it had triangles in it?
Jan 29 22:33:21 <SineOt> the triangle is delta
Jan 29 22:33:23 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 29 22:33:25 <oil> lo
Jan 29 22:33:28 <SineOt> eg the change in X, change in Y
Jan 29 22:33:52 <swisstomcat> so i just need to run through all the values in the point cloud and find the one with the lowest distance
Jan 29 22:33:53 <swisstomcat> sweet
Jan 29 22:34:45 <SineOt> yup
Jan 29 22:34:50 <Tibfib> weird. never thought the stuff I learned in school would come in handy
Jan 29 22:35:00 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 29 22:35:15 <swisstomcat> school is so far away
Jan 29 22:35:17 <swisstomcat> for me
Jan 29 22:35:17 <SineOt> of all the math stuff you learn in school, geometry is probably the most useful for most things
Jan 29 22:36:25 <oil> bah, ill just ask irc when i need maths help :)
Jan 29 22:36:46 <swisstomcat> now you might ask what this question might have to do with webos :)
Jan 29 22:36:55 <SineOt> other math stuff is awesome but man some of it just gets infuriating :p
Jan 29 22:37:00 <Tibfib> there, anyone wanting to try out my beta spaz, see here: https://github.com/Tibfib/spaz-webos/tree/tibfib
Jan 29 22:37:14 <SineOt> like a mathematical set that contains all sets that do not contain themselves
Jan 29 22:37:24 <SineOt> if it doesn't contain itself, then it does not contain all sets that do not contain themselves
Jan 29 22:37:36 <SineOt> but if it does contain itself, then it contains a set that contains itself! D:<
Jan 29 22:37:46 <oil> hey swisstomcat weren't you pinging me a day or so ago?
Jan 29 22:37:50 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 29 22:37:50 <oil> every timei saw it you were gone
Jan 29 22:38:00 <swisstomcat> stupid time differences
Jan 29 22:38:10 <swisstomcat> i'll ask you over in the other chan
Jan 29 22:38:21 <oil> ok
Jan 29 22:43:06 <dawm> meh.. minivan rental confirmed
Jan 29 22:44:59 <Tibfib> nice! that's how you pick up chics!
Jan 29 22:45:09 <Tibfib> chicks/chics/chicas
Jan 29 22:45:22 <SineOt> not in a minivan!
Jan 29 22:45:26 <dawm> lol. its the cheapest to rent.. which is mind boggling
Jan 29 22:45:28 <Tibfib> with a minivan
Jan 29 22:45:30 <dawm> SineOt, not in SFO either
Jan 29 22:45:30 <SineOt> that's for regular vans.
Jan 29 22:46:01 <Tibfib> true
Jan 29 22:54:03 <dohtem> was the browser updated on the Pre 2?
Jan 29 22:54:35 <Tibfib> I bet a little bit
Jan 29 22:56:19 <Tibfib> but I bet most stock apps aren't seeing much mojo action
Jan 29 22:58:29 <dohtem> dawm: it's SF. I bet you get shag carpets in the van :)
Jan 29 23:04:57 <dohtem> http://i.imgur.com/YW0yv.jpg
Jan 29 23:19:53 <funkatron> dohtem: where did you get that?
Jan 29 23:24:02 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Jan 29 23:24:47 <oil> funkatron: i.imgur.com, i assume reddit
Jan 29 23:24:53 <funkatron> right
Jan 29 23:24:57 <funkatron> that gives me an erection
Jan 29 23:25:03 <oil> lol
Jan 29 23:36:20 <dohtem> funkatron: Twitter, i think
Jan 29 23:36:27 <dohtem> yeah twitter
Jan 29 23:36:27 <funkatron> right
Jan 29 23:40:33 <dohtem> Tibfib: Heh, I just noticed that the newly refreshed posts have yellow text too
Jan 29 23:40:48 <Tibfib> yep
Jan 29 23:40:52 <Tibfib> some people hate it.. lol
Jan 29 23:41:00 <Tibfib> I like it..
Jan 29 23:41:20 <dohtem> makes it easier to pick up where I left off
Jan 29 23:41:29 <Tibfib> yep
Jan 29 23:41:30 <Tibfib> bbl
Jan 29 23:41:36 <Tibfib> adios all
Jan 29 23:41:40 <dohtem> bye
Jan 29 23:52:38 <mugen[dsktp]> sony really out did itself with the NGP
Jan 29 23:52:46 <mugen[dsktp]> seriously, what a neat piece of tech
Jan 30 00:38:22 <dawm> man i need to stop helping people out
Jan 30 00:38:33 <halfhalo> ?
Jan 30 00:38:40 <dawm> buddy needed an image turned into a vector that he could cut into a sticker
Jan 30 00:38:49 <dawm> he couldnt do it so i did it for him, and it turned out stellar
Jan 30 00:38:56 <dawm> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs016.snc4/34143_399379068741_542683741_4432721_6067123_n.jpg
Jan 30 00:38:58 <dawm> original
Jan 30 00:39:03 <dawm> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/mehmeh-Untitled-Vector.png
Jan 30 00:39:07 <dawm> vector'd
Jan 30 00:40:06 <halfhalo> and?
Jan 30 00:40:13 <halfhalo> thats it?
Jan 30 00:40:53 <dawm> yeah, he can send that to the cutter and make a vinyl sticker out of it
Jan 30 00:41:27 <halfhalo> thats a bad story
Jan 30 00:42:29 <halfhalo> not even a love interest
Jan 30 00:42:55 <dawm> i dunno about that
Jan 30 00:42:56 <dawm> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs270.snc1/9728_122870313741_542683741_2439540_3977712_n.jpg
Jan 30 00:43:00 <dawm> she is kinda cute ;p
Jan 30 00:45:33 <mugen[dsktp]> looks really smart
Jan 30 00:46:37 <mugen[dsktp]> and by that i mean she has big boobs
Jan 30 00:47:00 <Loudergood> you're not kidding
Jan 30 00:47:22 <mugen[dsktp]> dawm: nice work on the vector tho... we're they doing vinyl stickers or soemthing?
Jan 30 00:47:25 <mugen[dsktp]> *something
Jan 30 00:48:14 <dawm> yeah i guess his friend wanted one of her, he didnt know how so i did it and explained how and what i did and provided the files i used so he could understand better
Jan 30 00:48:16 <Loudergood> your buddy is putting that on the hood of his car isn't he?
Jan 30 00:48:27 <dawm> i owed him since i asked him a lot of ?s before i got my vinyl cutter
Jan 30 00:48:49 <dawm> i dont know where its going
Jan 30 00:49:02 <dawm> but i think shes a car chick, so probably on her car heh
Jan 30 00:49:44 <mugen[dsktp]> yeah that's what i figured
Jan 30 00:49:51 <mugen[dsktp]> kinda creepy tho... lol
Jan 30 00:49:57 <mugen[dsktp]> to each their own ;)
Jan 30 00:50:34 <dawm> i know of another local vinyl guy that has a similar kind of sticker of his face, that he just randomly puts up on things
Jan 30 00:51:40 <mugen[dsktp]> lol
Jan 30 00:51:47 <dawm> there it is.. was wondering where i posted my twitter lib mockup image
Jan 30 00:51:49 <dawm> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data//twittermock.png
Jan 30 00:52:01 <mugen[dsktp]> reminds me of that futurama episode where bender went around putting tiles everywhere
Jan 30 00:52:08 <dawm> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data//xTwitter-Login.png
Jan 30 00:52:08 <dawm> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data//xTwitter-Success.png
Jan 30 00:52:22 <dawm> kinda like graffiti stencils
Jan 30 00:54:39 <dawm> wheres sineot
Jan 30 00:58:29 <dawm> what the hell
Jan 30 00:58:51 <dawm> twitter account February_9th is following me.. but i honestly dont remmber getting an email about that
Jan 30 01:00:35 <dawm> heh and all their tweets are entries for the trip giveaway
Jan 30 01:05:42 <mugen[dsktp]> i haven't seen sine in a while
Jan 30 01:12:07 <haeffb_> sugardave: ping
Jan 30 01:22:25 <noland> I don't get. Most of the apps on ios and android are basically webpages but for some reason barely any were ported to webos
Jan 30 01:24:42 <haeffb_> such as?
Jan 30 01:26:02 <oil> we dont want their trash?
Jan 30 01:26:10 <oil> lol
Jan 30 01:26:43 <rwhitby> webOS users know how to use bookmarks in the browser?
Jan 30 01:26:46 <noland> Mint
Jan 30 01:26:50 <noland> Chase mobile
Jan 30 01:27:04 <rwhitby> mint is hardly just a web page
Jan 30 01:27:28 <haeffb_> well, technically...mint.com is a web page
Jan 30 01:27:41 <noland> ESPN sport center
Jan 30 01:27:57 <noland> I can name so many
Jan 30 01:28:00 <haeffb_> espn mobile web pages work great on webOS
Jan 30 01:28:35 <noland> The app is better
Jan 30 01:28:43 <oil> noland: call up the company and complain
Jan 30 01:28:50 <oil> talking about it here wont do anything, lol
Jan 30 01:30:10 <rwhitby> So, anyone know why a javascript sha1 function would give the right result 99.99% of the time, but give 15 different other results for the other 0.01% of the time?
Jan 30 01:30:32 <rwhitby> git clone https://github.com/darrinholst/webos-sha1-test and run it
Jan 30 01:30:55 <rwhitby> and apparently it works 100% of the time on webOS 1.4.5 (I'm running it on 2.0)
Jan 30 01:32:56 <haeffb_> oops. /me didn't notice noland == deihmos
Jan 30 01:33:17 <haeffb_> rwhitby: no clue
Jan 30 01:33:21 <rwhitby> haeffb_: orly?
Jan 30 01:34:26 * haeffb_ wonders if he somehow gets paid to come here and bash webos...?
Jan 30 01:34:46 <oil> i noticed, but, whatever
Jan 30 01:34:47 <oil> lol
Jan 30 01:37:16 <oil> haeffb_: you mean you dont go into android or ios chats and ask why their stuff sucks?
Jan 30 01:38:07 <haeffb_> I will if you pay me... :)
Jan 30 01:38:11 <oil> lol
Jan 30 01:39:46 <dohtem> we need more fanboys
Jan 30 01:40:05 <rwhitby> please no
Jan 30 01:40:11 <oil> lol
Jan 30 01:40:14 <dohtem> haha
Jan 30 01:42:26 * oil is fine being the awesome minority
Jan 30 02:05:33 <rwhitby> oil: can you run http://ompldr.org/vNzdrMQ/org.webosinternals.sha1test_1.0.0_all.ipk please?
Jan 30 02:05:44 <oil> on what?
Jan 30 02:05:58 <rwhitby> webOS 2.0
Jan 30 02:06:21 <rwhitby> anyone else can test it too
Jan 30 02:06:32 <oil> nice icon xD
Jan 30 02:06:34 <rwhitby> (just need a confirmation before I tweet it)
Jan 30 02:06:45 <rwhitby> oil: seemed appropriate :)
Jan 30 02:07:10 <oil> its running
Jan 30 02:07:23 <oil> sofar 2 different ones
Jan 30 02:07:29 <oil> over 1k the same
Jan 30 02:07:31 <rwhitby> ok, thanks
Jan 30 02:07:40 <oil> now 3
Jan 30 02:08:12 <rwhitby> not real good for an SHA1 implementation, hey?
Jan 30 02:08:23 <rwhitby> but it works perfectly on webOS 1.4.5
Jan 30 02:08:33 <oil> now 4
Jan 30 02:17:51 <dohtem> the SHA implementation  is wrong on Pre2?
Jan 30 02:18:40 <Loudergood> I wonder if it's a pre2 or webos2 problem...of course I can't say anymore than wonder in here
Jan 30 02:18:52 <rwhitby> not wrong, giving inconsistent results
Jan 30 02:23:14 <oil> inconsistant results != wrong?
Jan 30 02:23:42 <SineOt> So what's this about sha1?
Jan 30 02:23:49 <oil> 1+1=2, 1+1=2, 1+1=3
Jan 30 02:24:03 <oil> its inconsistant, not wrong?
Jan 30 02:24:04 <oil> lol
Jan 30 02:24:47 <rwhitby> it's a third-party SHA1 javascript implementation.  the results it is returning are inconsistent on webOS 2.0, but not on webOS 1.4.5
Jan 30 02:25:06 <rwhitby> whether they are correct or not is immaterial ;)
Jan 30 02:25:39 <SineOt> isn't 2.0 supposed to be adding new crypto methods?
Jan 30 02:25:43 <Loudergood> in fact it would be better if it were consistantly incorrect
Jan 30 02:25:52 <oil> lol
Jan 30 02:28:56 <rwhitby> oil: can you take a look at the app code, and make sure nothing stupid is being done in there?
Jan 30 02:29:15 <SineOt> heh, var hash = core_sha1(ipad.concat(str2binb(data)), 512 + data.length * chrsz);
Jan 30 02:29:19 <SineOt> ipad?
Jan 30 02:29:19 <rwhitby> https://github.com/rwhitby/webos-sha1-test
Jan 30 02:29:34 <oil> yeah, ill give it a peep in a few
Jan 30 02:29:51 <rwhitby> anyone here use 1Password ?
Jan 30 02:30:15 <SineOt> yup
Jan 30 02:30:25 <SineOt> that's from 1Password for iPad then I assume
Jan 30 02:30:36 <rwhitby> no, unrelated.
Jan 30 02:30:42 <SineOt> oh
Jan 30 02:30:46 <rwhitby> but this bug is causing a problem for 1Password support on webOS
Jan 30 02:30:51 <SineOt> oops :3
Jan 30 02:31:09 <SineOt> using the built in decoder from an html 1password file export?
Jan 30 02:31:13 <SineOt> or using something else
Jan 30 02:31:19 <rwhitby> both
Jan 30 02:31:46 <SineOt> I never could get the html export to work even on 1.4.5 :/
Jan 30 02:31:56 <SineOt> So if stuff like 1reader Pro breaks on 2.0 then that's going to suck
Jan 30 02:32:57 <SineOt> (Then again it's kind of breaking on 1.4.5 right now for me anyways... Sometimes the Checking Password step stalls out and just freezes)
Jan 30 02:34:00 <rwhitby> SineOt: http://semicolonapps.com/2011/01/21/a-death-in-the-family/
Jan 30 02:35:03 <SineOt> That's really weird, I wonder if that "randomly password doesn't work" thing is what I run into on my Pixi?
Jan 30 02:35:16 <SineOt> it can't be the 10 second time out because it stops after about a second
Jan 30 02:37:54 <bpadalino> rwhitby: would it make sense for him to make it a hybrid app and do the 1000 iterations of sha-1 in a C routine ?
Jan 30 02:38:32 <bpadalino> using js to do precise bit/number manipulations seems ridiculous
Jan 30 02:39:58 <rwhitby> bpadalino: well, the implications of this are far wider than just one app.  inconsistent results from running pure javascript is a fundamentally unsettling situation to be in.
Jan 30 02:40:01 <SineOt> Yeah, but that's basically all you had until the PDK came around
Jan 30 02:40:26 <bpadalino> rwhitby: agreed - that is terrible that the same js can produce different results
Jan 30 02:40:53 <bpadalino> but he also cites performance issues as being a concern .. both of which may be fixed by switching over to a hybrid approach
Jan 30 02:41:06 <bpadalino> (agreed it doesn't fix the real issue, but just changes the scope)
Jan 30 02:41:43 <rwhitby> bpadalino: the 1passwordanywhere stuff failed for me too - and that is not under webOS control
Jan 30 02:42:05 <bpadalino> :(
Jan 30 02:42:05 <rwhitby> (e.g. it's cross-platform javascript that runs anywhere you have browser access)
Jan 30 02:42:12 <bpadalino> i see
Jan 30 02:42:21 <SineOt> rwhitby: the 1PasswordAnywhere stuff breaks for me on my Pixi with 1.4.5 though, so
Jan 30 02:42:45 <rwhitby> SineOt: oh, perhaps I need to test it on 1.4.5
Jan 30 02:43:11 <bpadalino> i wonder where mattsmcnulty is so we can ask what their javascript engine testing suite consists of
Jan 30 02:43:12 <SineOt> at least it used to-That was why I bought the app in the first place
Jan 30 02:43:17 <bpadalino> my guess is sleeping
Jan 30 02:43:32 <SineOt> it's not even 7 on a saturday night right now
Jan 30 02:43:42 <SineOt> I would DOUBT he's sleeping
Jan 30 02:44:10 <bpadalino> eh, i imagine he has been working too hard recently
Jan 30 02:44:35 <shades> i'm trying to develop a synth...
Jan 30 02:44:45 <shades> i'm having a hard time figuring out how to generate a sine/square/saw wave
Jan 30 02:46:17 <rwhitby> SineOt: yeah, 1PasswordAnywhere fails on Pixi 1.4.5 for me too.
Jan 30 02:47:25 <shades> anywhere i can look to find more information about that?
Jan 30 02:47:50 <bpadalino> that's somewhat terrible .. now i'm curious to see if there are suites to test javascript engines
Jan 30 02:48:41 <SineOt> Yeah, I just tested it out again, doesn't work
Jan 30 02:48:47 <SineOt> I don't know what it does on the Pre on 1.4.5
Jan 30 02:50:29 <dohtem> i tried it on a vzw 1.4.5 and it worked fine
Jan 30 02:50:41 <dohtem> no so on 2.x
Jan 30 02:50:44 <dohtem> not*
Jan 30 02:51:19 <SineOt> it might be a timeout issue on the Pixi? Pixi takes longer and hits a timeout somewhere
Jan 30 02:51:31 <SineOt> I'd imagine the Pre would chew through it even slightly faster
Jan 30 02:53:10 <shades> anyone?
Jan 30 02:53:58 <bpadalino> shades: cos() works well .. +1 and -1 .. then maybe something like a rolling over counter works well
Jan 30 02:54:09 <shades> bpadalino: for audio?
Jan 30 02:54:33 <bpadalino> sure, to generate your raw samples
Jan 30 02:54:38 <shades> if I wanted to produce a sine wave at a frequency of anywhere from 20 hz to 22,000 hz
Jan 30 02:56:22 <bpadalino> yeah, look into SDL Audio i believe .. maybe into the SDL Mixer ?
Jan 30 02:57:23 <shades> but that's for c++?
Jan 30 02:57:42 <bpadalino> oh you want it in javascript ?
Jan 30 02:57:57 <shades> uh, well, it'll run slow as fk on javascript, right?
Jan 30 02:58:16 <bpadalino> i would guess it wouldn't be as fast as a native C implementation
Jan 30 02:58:48 <shades> how do I address the GUI portions in c?
Jan 30 02:59:00 <bpadalino> i'd go with a hybrid approach if i were you
Jan 30 02:59:38 <shades> how would I go about doing that?
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