**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 01 02:59:57 2011 Feb 01 03:19:50 hi all! Feb 01 03:33:31 hi JenP! Feb 01 03:33:48 Hi dkirker Feb 01 03:33:50 how are you? Feb 01 03:34:12 I am not bad. Just working (with a headache... ugh). Feb 01 03:34:25 Oh. sorry to hear that Feb 01 03:41:56 JenP!!! Feb 01 03:42:08 haeffb!!!! Feb 01 03:42:11 hi!!! Feb 01 03:42:15 I miss you Feb 01 03:42:39 how's tricks? Feb 01 03:42:50 very well. how are you? Feb 01 03:43:35 good. Expecting 6" to 24" of snow here tonight/tomorrow Feb 01 03:43:42 kinda icy right now Feb 01 03:43:50 eeek Feb 01 03:43:55 awesome! Feb 01 03:44:04 lol i turned our heater on because it's 72 Feb 01 03:44:11 ha. Feb 01 03:44:22 supposed to be -11 F here tomorrow night Feb 01 03:44:39 * haeffb getting ready to spend a week at Panama City Beach Feb 01 03:44:50 smiles... Feb 01 03:45:02 got a great deal on a timeshare condo Feb 01 03:45:38 really? Feb 01 03:45:42 haeffb: nice! have fun Feb 01 03:45:45 JenP: howdy! Feb 01 03:45:54 Tibfib!!! Hiya Feb 01 03:46:27 yeah, some friends had it reserved & then decided they couldn't make it. $250 for the week. Feb 01 03:46:39 OMG that is awesome Feb 01 03:47:00 odd.. i paid my electric bill back on the 20th, they say i paid it, but they never took the money from my account.. Feb 01 03:47:40 it's like $475 for the two of us to fly there & back. Nice cheap vacation. Feb 01 03:49:42 sweet Feb 01 03:51:05 so you doing any coding? Feb 01 03:51:16 or "waiting for Enyo" like the rest of us? Feb 01 03:51:26 yeah...doing php right now Feb 01 03:51:31 and a little java Feb 01 03:51:44 but yes Enyo ready and waiting Feb 01 04:01:06 anyone else noticed that if it transpose the letters between B and D in "beyond", you get "Enyo" ? Feb 01 04:01:33 enyo is a Big Deal Feb 01 04:04:01 rwhitby: uh. no... Feb 01 04:04:51 ...but I did notice if you remove all the letters but Y and O you get "yo" Feb 01 04:05:18 if you get rid of yond, you get bed! Feb 01 04:05:25 hahahahahaha Feb 01 04:05:27 speaking of which... Feb 01 04:05:33 beyond -> enyo .. i like it Feb 01 04:05:35 I like rwhitby's the best Feb 01 04:05:48 haha, me too. wonder if it is more than a coincidence Feb 01 04:06:14 I refuse to touch mojo until my enyo is out Feb 01 04:06:34 9 more days Feb 01 04:06:35 heh Feb 01 04:06:41 * Tibfib started a new mojo app today Feb 01 04:06:45 and it better be open so i can deploy it on phonegap Feb 01 04:07:37 Tibfib: mojo is so 2010 Feb 01 04:07:49 and first month and 8 days of 2011 Feb 01 04:07:57 sigh Feb 01 04:08:03 * Tibfib doesn't want to rewrite koto in enyo Feb 01 04:08:17 koto takes like 2 lines of code in enyo Feb 01 04:08:36 if only Feb 01 04:08:42 var appName = "Koto"; Feb 01 04:08:48 playMusic(); Feb 01 04:08:55 that might work Feb 01 04:10:10 heh. it might, far as we know... :) Feb 01 04:10:17 I just hope Palm spends more than 30 minutes documenting and creating examples Feb 01 04:11:21 matbee: don't waste your dreams on such foolishness! Feb 01 04:12:05 hope for something more realistic. Like a little guy dressed all in green who leads you to pots of gold. Feb 01 04:12:09 the sad part is that's true Feb 01 04:12:42 Tibfib: you getting any snow yet? Feb 01 04:12:56 I think so Feb 01 04:13:01 * Tibfib goes outside Feb 01 04:13:22 Tibfib gets lost in a blizzard Feb 01 04:13:31 doesn't look like at the moment Feb 01 04:13:48 but school's already cancelled, so what do I care? Feb 01 04:14:07 already cancelled ? Feb 01 04:14:10 how much snow did you get ? Feb 01 04:14:14 dangit. canceled* Feb 01 04:14:56 bpadalino: not much. but we're supposed to get a lot Feb 01 04:15:01 i think either is correct Feb 01 04:15:05 interesting - how much ? Feb 01 04:15:10 forecast is for up to 24" here Feb 01 04:15:24 about 180 miles east of Tibfib Feb 01 04:15:32 is it because you don't have snow plows out there? Feb 01 04:15:46 lol Feb 01 04:15:53 and most people can't drive in snow Feb 01 04:15:55 University of Missouri canceled classes for tomorrow Feb 01 04:15:59 nice Feb 01 04:16:05 and it hasn't even started snowing yet. Feb 01 04:16:09 lucky Feb 01 04:16:29 not I - haven't been in school for almost 20 years. Feb 01 04:16:37 I still have to go to work tomorrow. Feb 01 04:16:43 we get 2 feet over night and i still have to go to work/school :( Feb 01 04:17:07 for some reason, people here are freaking out over a forecast. Feb 01 04:17:17 haeffb: I'll think of you as I lay in my robe tomorrow Feb 01 04:17:30 at 11 :) Feb 01 04:17:36 oh. uh. not sure that's appropriate Feb 01 04:17:42 haahaha Feb 01 04:17:50 maybe think of taylor swift or something. Feb 01 04:18:25 sugardave: you got your wish. Feb 01 04:20:40 haeffb: wake up... Feb 01 04:21:39 ....yawn....stretch...eh...? Feb 01 04:21:54 PMs Feb 01 04:58:26 haeffb: you still awake? Feb 01 04:58:42 more or less Feb 01 04:59:01 did you ever find a solution to your multi alarm at same time thing? was it just your app? Feb 01 04:59:47 no, I think it's a bug in webOS. Feb 01 05:00:04 hmm, I'm not seeing any workarounds in the clock code Feb 01 05:00:16 I just moved away from the possibility of having more than one alarm at the same time. Feb 01 05:01:19 I wonder if milliseconds are a big enough change Feb 01 05:01:21 or seconds even Feb 01 05:01:51 that may be why there is no workaround. The alarms set times based on current seconds, so there aren't many duplicates Feb 01 05:02:29 but the testing I did, showed that it ignored a second alarm that occurred between the time the app started and AppAssistant constructor function runs Feb 01 05:03:15 hmm, interesting Feb 01 05:03:26 what a pain Feb 01 05:04:30 what happens in Clock app if you set two alarms at same time? Feb 01 05:05:01 I didn't think it failed Feb 01 05:05:33 lemme see Feb 01 05:06:05 I think what you said is true Feb 01 05:06:08 it ignores the other one Feb 01 05:06:12 but it doesn't fail Feb 01 05:06:24 did you set seconds: 0, milliseconds: 0 in your app? Feb 01 05:06:53 don't recall... Feb 01 05:08:19 something like: myDateString = mo + "/" + date + "/" + yr + " " + hrs + ":" + mins + ":" + secs; Feb 01 05:11:00 shmeh, I'm not going to put in a workaround, we'll see how it goes Feb 01 05:11:06 thanks for your help haeffb Feb 01 05:11:13 goodnight everyone! Feb 01 05:14:21 Feb tomorrow :) Feb 01 05:31:52 hay guys Feb 01 05:31:56 hows it goin? Feb 01 05:35:18 is there any good free weather apps, that look good? Feb 01 05:36:39 accuweather Feb 01 05:36:47 or ReWeather/BWeather Feb 01 05:36:55 ...im saying looks good as well Feb 01 05:37:02 when i say good, i mean not mojo Feb 01 05:37:13 well... idk Feb 01 05:39:21 if u want some good simple apps, check out awesomeapps.weebly.com Feb 01 05:39:44 :) Feb 01 05:39:48 oh god Feb 01 05:39:52 kill me now Feb 01 05:40:22 what? Feb 01 05:40:26 those are horrid Feb 01 05:40:36 Hay, I am still learning Feb 01 05:40:42 oh those are yours Feb 01 05:40:45 what do u suggest i do to make them better? Feb 01 05:40:46 yea Feb 01 05:40:48 matbee: don't you mean "when I say good, I mean a simple mojo app which displays the information I want in the clearest way possible with no distracting background images, colour gradients, or other useless decoration" ? Feb 01 05:41:02 lol Feb 01 05:41:26 i am always looking to make them better, what r ur suggestions? Feb 01 05:41:39 PatrickC_Home, just keep doing what youre doing Feb 01 05:42:02 rwhitby, I mean esthetically put together well, not too much information crammed into a little space. Feb 01 05:42:15 i dont mind scrolling vertically Feb 01 05:42:16 matbee: right. so mojo or not has nothing to do with that, right? Feb 01 05:42:28 lol, well, i want to make them better. i have taken some online tutorials for HTML/JavaScript, but they dont help me much lol Feb 01 05:42:31 rwhitby, people abuse mojo and make a grey scheme with green buttons Feb 01 05:42:44 matbee: ah, abusing mojo is something else altogether Feb 01 05:43:17 using mojo as it is intended creates very aesthetically pleasing apps to my eye. Feb 01 05:43:32 of course, using widgets as widgets is good Feb 01 05:43:58 once someone goes and creates their own widgets, it's no longer Mojo in my eye Feb 01 05:44:07 it's "TheirJo" Feb 01 05:44:23 I suppose I horribly abuse Mojo then :B Feb 01 05:44:29 im not good enough to make my own widgets haha Feb 01 05:44:31 and only very few people pull it off successfully. Feb 01 05:44:36 yet Feb 01 05:44:40 e.g. James Harris does it well. Feb 01 05:45:05 http://www.ruddersquish.com/images/squishRemoteBoxee/main.png < is this "successfully?" :Q Feb 01 05:45:16 most weather apps fail by placing background images or colour gradients behind the information, making the information harder to read. Feb 01 05:45:38 yes, I don't need a "background image" Feb 01 05:45:51 Just a color scheme which works well Feb 01 05:46:08 the authors seem to think that an app that looks different from the stock webOS apps is a negative. Feb 01 05:46:21 I think that apps that fit perfectly in with the existing apps are the best of all. Feb 01 05:46:24 matbee: if you want a good, and easy, color scheme? Kuler has TONS of good (and not so good...) examples Feb 01 05:46:36 rwhitby: I'd say that it depends entirely on the app Feb 01 05:46:36 it isn't the 'look', I find its the functionality that needs to be the same Feb 01 05:48:06 I really enjoy 'phnx' twitter app. it's well done with its Metro look, even though it sacrifices valuable space by using a horizontal snap scroller in the title Feb 01 05:50:10 who/what is kuler? Feb 01 05:50:26 or is this the adobe product Feb 01 05:50:37 the adobe product Feb 01 05:50:47 yeah, i use that when im in a bind Feb 01 05:51:06 anyhow, carpal tunnel is owning me alive Feb 01 05:51:10 time to watch tv and rest Feb 01 05:53:53 im back, sorry, was testing something Feb 01 06:07:52 back Feb 01 06:11:40 how's everyone? Feb 01 06:13:30 excellent Feb 01 06:14:14 sweet Feb 01 06:35:12 matbee: http://apps.webosroundup.com/Catalog/com.coraapps.comingrain Feb 01 06:37:30 Coming Rain is nice... Unless you're on a Pixi :p Feb 01 06:37:49 heh Feb 01 06:38:23 there's no scroller so the recent areas and F/C switch are just -gone- Feb 01 06:40:37 really? ouch Feb 01 06:51:06 i love it Feb 01 07:51:15 http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ -- i've not laughed this hard in a while... omg Feb 01 08:44:44 mugen[osx]: Yeah, that site is hillarious. Feb 01 09:09:37 does webos support apps made with smfl? Feb 01 09:12:48 I want to get back into palm dev Feb 01 09:12:56 ESPECIALLY with upcoming announcements Feb 01 09:13:03 wish my palm devices werent so slow Feb 01 09:21:12 ron_frown: gl Feb 01 09:22:10 ? Feb 01 09:22:17 good luck with what Feb 01 09:22:31 With getting back into palm dev Feb 01 09:25:20 this is more difficult than I thought Feb 01 09:27:46 hahaha Feb 01 09:27:50 palm dev is easy Feb 01 09:28:07 there are some things I wish were more doable Feb 01 09:28:07 this program is c++ Feb 01 09:28:12 or easily doable Feb 01 09:28:15 because js can't do this fast enough Feb 01 09:28:43 yeah I recall back in the day... the html5 audio stuff was just plain broke in webos Feb 01 09:28:54 so I built a pretty decent c++ audio mixer plugin Feb 01 09:29:04 go on Feb 01 09:29:10 that was is Feb 01 09:29:11 it Feb 01 09:29:38 it was pretty funny.. .I was bitching in here and someone sent me a forum post on best way to do audio... and it was a post on the community forums posted by me Feb 01 09:29:38 haha Feb 01 09:31:55 ron_frown: What is your plan? See if something good comes out feb 9. and if start to make apps ? Feb 01 09:33:49 why, is webos in risk of extinction? Feb 01 09:35:05 haha Feb 01 09:35:06 no Feb 01 09:35:16 if anything I'd think hp is ready to dump money into webos Feb 01 09:35:55 honestly the direction apps seem to be going, I think webos might be ahead of the game... just needs some performance tweaks and fixes for crap like audio/video/3d Feb 01 09:35:59 oh Feb 01 09:36:09 and as I understand... its already a lot better than it was when i quit for a bit Feb 01 09:36:16 but you said that you will start dev again? Feb 01 09:36:17 I just never really thought much of the devices Feb 01 09:36:30 I've been building android and a bunch of other platform apps Feb 01 09:36:40 i have a g2 from work Feb 01 09:36:44 wonderinga bout deving for it Feb 01 09:36:47 haha Feb 01 09:37:00 android is easier in the sense its not a bunch of frameworks to hack js to do what you want Feb 01 09:37:01 it seems awesome Feb 01 09:37:06 js world is getting a LOT better tho Feb 01 09:37:22 backbone.js has really really impressed me for some other non mobile stuff I've been messing with Feb 01 09:38:34 ron_frown: you do much audio programming? Feb 01 09:38:43 only when I ahve to =) Feb 01 09:38:50 ;( Feb 01 09:39:13 I'm a jack of all trades when it comes to code, then when I need to dive into something I do Feb 01 09:39:15 i'm trying to do some audio stuff Feb 01 09:40:10 well the beauty of the c++ side of things is that you effectively get to use SDL Feb 01 09:40:25 and SDL has decent audio classes to do all sortsa crap Feb 01 09:40:55 about the hardest thing I can think of audio wise to do, is probably fft, and I THINK sdl had stuff for that Feb 01 09:41:13 maybe not Feb 01 09:41:51 it's ttf stuff sucks Feb 01 09:42:04 you can't like use it for error debugging or anything Feb 01 09:42:16 if you wnt to use it to display text you better have what you want to say presaid Feb 01 09:42:20 it won't let you update it on the fly Feb 01 09:42:47 like say you want to output the value of the mouse's x axis, nope, that's an int and the ttf garbage expects a const char* Feb 01 09:44:54 meh... I was never a fan of building ui apps with c++ stuff Feb 01 09:45:09 webos stuff like button click response was WAY WAY too slow fo what it was Feb 01 09:45:11 but at the same time Feb 01 09:45:18 I didnt want to build a sdl ui framework Feb 01 09:45:34 yeah, piss poor decision eitherway Feb 01 09:45:52 goodnight Feb 01 09:45:55 haha Feb 01 09:45:56 gnght Feb 01 09:47:02 see you tomorrow if you're around Feb 01 09:49:28 night Feb 01 14:32:58 afternoon Feb 01 14:52:27 morning Feb 01 14:52:49 good morning Feb 01 14:57:46 morning! Feb 01 15:02:42 morning Feb 01 15:08:21 ...8 days... Feb 01 15:10:11 I hope in 8 days we get an actual launch date and not something in coming months Feb 01 15:10:59 Though from what it sounds, they should launch soon after they announce Feb 01 15:39:32 patience, grasshoppers Feb 01 15:39:39 we need to get our apps ready anyway Feb 01 15:40:47 * halfhalo doesn't do patience, he does stuff fast and that's it Feb 01 15:41:19 Needs to be here nownownow Feb 01 15:43:46 lol Feb 01 16:11:56 bbl Feb 01 16:17:00 sugardave: ping Feb 01 16:17:32 p to the o n g Feb 01 16:17:46 fo sheezy Feb 01 16:19:18 haeffb_pre must be typing a book Feb 01 16:19:26 on his tiny keyboard Feb 01 16:21:24 * haeffb_pre needs more thumbs Feb 01 16:21:38 hehe Feb 01 16:25:23 woot! alarms work in my app! Feb 01 16:26:07 kind of Feb 01 16:26:13 woot! Feb 01 16:26:25 all of 'em? Feb 01 16:27:32 setting them works Feb 01 16:27:44 setting the right date is still a work in progress :) Feb 01 16:28:22 you can steal my done code... Feb 01 16:28:34 Apotheker, its a "good" name for WebOS Feb 01 16:28:46 ...not that it's the right way to do it or anything Feb 01 16:28:48 Do USA people know what it means? Feb 01 16:28:57 hotdp: hell no Feb 01 16:29:00 nope Feb 01 16:29:19 Its drugstore Feb 01 16:29:26 nice Feb 01 16:29:29 apothecary Feb 01 16:29:30 haeffb_pre: thanks for the offer, but I'm going to try and figure it out Feb 01 16:29:34 you know, where you can buy medivin Feb 01 16:29:36 medicin Feb 01 16:29:47 wo he brings the medicin for webos it seems ;) Feb 01 16:30:24 * sugardave === 6 days of 0 nicotine Feb 01 16:30:32 my Pre needs some medicine Feb 01 16:30:35 nice! Feb 01 16:30:43 sugardave: woot! Feb 01 16:31:00 nice! Feb 01 16:31:32 Tibfib: will you handle time zone changes? Feb 01 16:31:34 thanks! Feb 01 16:31:52 haeffb_pre: will I have to? aren't alarms set in universal time? Feb 01 16:32:07 oh, dangit Feb 01 16:32:30 Lol Feb 01 16:32:47 haeffb_pre: do you in done? Feb 01 16:33:17 nah Feb 01 16:33:29 I probably should. can you subscribe to timezone changes? Feb 01 16:33:39 dunno Feb 01 16:33:48 hmm, how would I do it? Feb 01 16:33:56 what do you mean? Feb 01 16:34:02 dunno Feb 01 16:34:18 well the timezone can change when the app is closed Feb 01 16:34:26 maybe webos does it automagically? Feb 01 16:34:28 Tibfib: time is time, it is calculated at the heart as universal Feb 01 16:34:55 when the phone switches to a new timezone, your date objects are still that universal time, they just get displyed differently by the offset Feb 01 16:35:04 and it is automatic Feb 01 16:35:07 sugardave: you set an alarm at 1pm Central then fly to NY Feb 01 16:35:15 when does it go off? Feb 01 16:35:19 well if I set an alarm at 8 my time, it'll set (say) it at 4. Then change timezones, it may go off at 9 or 7 Feb 01 16:35:25 at 12:00 Eastern Feb 01 16:35:43 if the time happens to switch in the middle, the alarm fires then Feb 01 16:35:46 shmeh, so have a worning in my app: "Alarm times are set in current timezone." Feb 01 16:35:51 but you set alarms using local time/date Feb 01 16:35:58 yes Feb 01 16:36:00 warning* Feb 01 16:36:02 using the service Feb 01 16:36:28 so webos updates them when you change timezones? Feb 01 16:36:47 I think since you set alarms in universal time, the alarms don't change Feb 01 16:36:47 all I know was that when I was working on that timezone app, I was making all kinds of alarms fire when making the phone switch to other timezones Feb 01 16:37:22 but luckily, I am having my app store times and such IN universal time so that if the timezone changes it should have the new time in my app Feb 01 16:37:30 (displayed for the alarm) Feb 01 16:37:51 yes Feb 01 16:37:54 ok, may not be an issue then Feb 01 16:38:18 unless you want to always wake at 7am local time Feb 01 16:38:23 yeah Feb 01 16:38:36 and not 7am at home Feb 01 16:38:37 that's tricky Feb 01 16:38:42 butdo-able Feb 01 16:38:52 yeah, I can't really subscribe to timezone changes though, can I? Feb 01 16:38:54 sugardave: how? Feb 01 16:38:59 you don't have to Feb 01 16:39:36 set an alarm for EVERY timezone on alarm creation, then pick and choose what produces a ring ? Feb 01 16:39:41 hah Feb 01 16:39:44 your app would need to calculate the current offset of the timezone the phone is in, and then apply that offset to the UTC time you wanted to wake up Feb 01 16:40:39 * sugardave even knows a way to get the current offset with dst applied correctly. Feb 01 16:40:40 :P Feb 01 16:40:44 wait...the Clock app always rings me @ 6am local time Feb 01 16:40:56 no matter where I am Feb 01 16:40:56 right Feb 01 16:41:20 so it's not storing the alarm in UTC Feb 01 16:41:30 sugardave: but wouldn't that offset change, I don't get how that'd make it work Feb 01 16:42:00 6 central ~= noon utc, for argument Feb 01 16:42:09 k Feb 01 16:42:18 furthermore, central time has an offset of 6 hours from utc Feb 01 16:42:28 because it is dst Feb 01 16:42:38 and 5 hours when it isn't Feb 01 16:42:41 right? Feb 01 16:42:45 yess Feb 01 16:42:48 also there are crazy states like arizona Feb 01 16:42:52 lol Feb 01 16:42:57 so first you need to know if it's dst or not Feb 01 16:43:20 hang on a second, let me get Real Time source up Feb 01 16:43:38 * haeffb_pre always gets confused when thinking about time. Probably because I'm not Australian. Feb 01 16:43:55 snowing good here now Feb 01 16:44:11 haeffb_pre: it's snowing lightly here Feb 01 16:44:23 forecast reduced to only 12" though Feb 01 16:45:30 hmm, we were supposed to get 6-10" overnight, but I don't think we did Feb 01 16:45:41 we got 2 or 3 Feb 01 16:45:47 yeah same here, this is the pre-storm today though Feb 01 16:46:00 Loudergood: where are you from? Feb 01 16:46:24 that was a reply to haeffb, I'm in VT Feb 01 16:47:00 ah yeah Feb 01 16:47:19 it's snowing now, but the big storm isn't supposed to show itself until after midnight Feb 01 16:50:33 haeffb_pre + sugardave: clock app seems to subscribe to time change and refreshes alarms Feb 01 16:51:04 there you go...! Feb 01 16:51:12 wouldn't work how I have it Feb 01 16:51:16 I need to store timezone offset Feb 01 16:51:36 then if (timezone offset === currenttimezoneoffset ) refreshAlarm() Feb 01 16:51:41 err if !== Feb 01 16:52:26 interesting, I was just changing the timezone settings and it was happening automagically Feb 01 16:52:37 but yeah, you gotta have the right offset Feb 01 16:53:50 arggg Feb 01 16:55:28 dangit, checking timezone offset on ring would work if the alarm needs to go off in the future, but not if it needed to go off the past Feb 01 16:56:26 I think the clock app just checks when the list of alarms is rendered Feb 01 16:58:10 if you change the phone's tz, it makes it re-evaluate all the alarms :D Feb 01 16:58:23 what does? Feb 01 16:58:35 the alarm times are changed? Feb 01 16:58:52 no, it trips them Feb 01 16:59:05 oh! Feb 01 16:59:19 so I could check on "ring" for timezone changes? Feb 01 16:59:22 and re set them? Feb 01 16:59:54 hmm, actually, I bet it would re-evaluate them if you changed the time Feb 01 17:00:07 so you could set the clock forward a minute, then back Feb 01 17:00:10 maybe Feb 01 17:00:24 huhhhhhhhhh. would it change on timezone and dst changes? Feb 01 17:01:04 not if you don't store the original offset, I think Feb 01 17:01:59 I meant, are the alarms fired on timezone changes? or just time changes? Feb 01 17:04:07 Tibfib: take a look at this first, and then I'll find the other one Feb 01 17:04:08 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=43062#p43062 Feb 01 17:06:21 Tibfib: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9322 Feb 01 17:06:26 unfortunately, convertDate is what you want Feb 01 17:06:34 but it is bugged :( Feb 01 17:06:39 sugardave: local time accounts for dst, why do I need that? Feb 01 17:07:06 if you don't account for dst, then when it happens, your alarms will be off by an hour Feb 01 17:07:24 oh. yeah...... dang Feb 01 17:07:51 ARG, how does the clock app do this then? Feb 01 17:08:26 maybe they just store the hour and minute, and check it all the time Feb 01 17:08:50 they do store hour and minute Feb 01 17:09:40 alarms should have an option: UTC or local time Feb 01 17:09:49 there should be no option Feb 01 17:09:54 it should be UTC all the time Feb 01 17:10:00 deal with it, non-geeks Feb 01 17:10:14 ouch Feb 01 17:10:28 haeffb_pre: +1 Feb 01 17:10:34 that's unamerican ;) Feb 01 17:11:06 do I want it at 7am local or 7am in the TZ where I create it? Feb 01 17:11:49 sounds like you could make that another option ;) Feb 01 17:12:00 i.e. 'wake up' or 'call mom' Feb 01 17:12:09 so if you just store the hour an minute, it doesn't matter what tz you're in, if you hit that hour/minute, fire Feb 01 17:12:27 wake up is 7am local. call mom is 7am her time Feb 01 17:12:29 it doesn't work like for alarms Feb 01 17:13:23 what up Feb 01 17:13:26 i got my emulator up Feb 01 17:13:47 you guys what Feb 01 17:13:56 i think i know the reason why i lost intrest in weobs / palm pre Feb 01 17:14:05 you can't swap calls / add a call and merge them Feb 01 17:14:09 is this correct ? Feb 01 17:14:16 I think you can Feb 01 17:14:17 ugh Feb 01 17:14:23 call waiting is garbage in webOS Feb 01 17:14:28 yes Feb 01 17:14:33 that is why i lost intrest Feb 01 17:14:33 you cant have two calls going and try and drop one Feb 01 17:14:37 is it changed in 2.0 ? Feb 01 17:14:40 no Feb 01 17:14:44 aw man Feb 01 17:14:46 at least not in the pre 2 Feb 01 17:14:48 i need that feature Feb 01 17:15:21 I hope they fix it soon because that's super annoying Feb 01 17:15:23 I am not sure about the pre -/+ as its not out yet... Feb 01 17:15:31 is there an app for that ? Feb 01 17:15:50 someone could make a patchhhhhhhhhh Feb 01 17:15:58 but as far as 2.0.1 on the pre 2 its not fixed Feb 01 17:16:20 bah, why patch something that should get fixed, we should log a bug with palm Feb 01 17:16:33 I'm making a clock in inkscape! it's ugly! *Sigh* Feb 01 17:16:41 question Feb 01 17:16:48 CTLAdvance: because you want that feature? Feb 01 17:16:52 where is sytem settings Feb 01 17:17:02 what part of the system? Feb 01 17:17:09 i want to turn oftty Feb 01 17:17:14 s/oftty/off tty Feb 01 17:17:17 its not really a feature, more or less functionality thats available on any other featurephone /smart phone Feb 01 17:17:20 macman_, phone preferences Feb 01 17:17:31 then add it! that's the beauty of patches Feb 01 17:17:40 add it/fix it Feb 01 17:18:58 im having issues on this emulator Feb 01 17:19:03 they system/phone/screen/sound/data preferences need rethinking. in 1.4.5 they are all over the place Feb 01 17:19:04 when your at a main screen and want to go back Feb 01 17:19:08 you swype left correct ? Feb 01 17:19:22 *the Feb 01 17:20:47 I got a pre plus for free Feb 01 17:20:54 but apparenlty it needs to ne activated or something Feb 01 17:21:02 is there anyway to bypass that so I can just get into phone Feb 01 17:21:09 even if it wont make calls Feb 01 17:21:19 yes Feb 01 17:21:20 ron_frown, there are directions on palm's website Feb 01 17:21:26 you can get it in wifi only dev mode Feb 01 17:21:39 that'd be perfect Feb 01 17:22:34 the konami code? Feb 01 17:23:10 that's just dev mode Feb 01 17:23:53 ron_frown, http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Feb 01 17:23:59 google++ Feb 01 17:24:07 I ddint know what to search for Feb 01 17:24:10 bypass activation? Feb 01 17:25:01 something like that. I did "palm pre skip activation" Feb 01 17:25:59 danke Feb 01 17:32:13 sugardave, haeffb: clock app subscribes to time change. on time change, re-sets enabled alarms Feb 01 17:32:19 that's what I'm going to do Feb 01 17:32:28 ugh Feb 01 17:32:31 so now I'll store the alarm time in local time, not universal time Feb 01 17:32:37 i need to add calls / merge / swap calls Feb 01 17:32:48 like my wifes family calls from mexico and they want to talk to my wife Feb 01 17:33:16 Tibfib: sounds neat, I didn't know you could subscribe to time changes Feb 01 17:33:23 me either ! Feb 01 17:33:46 but looks like there's a method. I'll be extremely angry if it is com.palm only Feb 01 17:33:56 heh Feb 01 17:52:56 hay guys Feb 01 18:20:20 i am tring to develop a basic PDK app. I want to ueto use a SQLite databse. Can anyone tell me how can i use it? Feb 01 18:29:42 hi everyone Feb 01 18:29:56 i am tring to develop a basic PDK app. I want to ueto use a SQLite databse. Can anyone tell me how can i use it? Feb 01 18:30:13 my advice would be to not repeat Feb 01 18:34:25 :) Feb 01 18:34:37 yatharth: do you know webos101 ? Feb 01 18:35:53 a Feb 01 18:42:16 hey ron_frown Feb 01 18:42:44 hotdp: sorry got dc.slow connection Feb 01 18:43:05 someone gave me the link to webos101 while developing in SDK. Feb 01 18:43:47 i just checked it out, but i couldnot find any link for database interfacing in PDK Feb 01 18:46:22 why would it be any diff than any other c app Feb 01 18:46:30 link sqlite.c/sqlite.h Feb 01 18:46:35 or sqlite3 rather Feb 01 18:46:37 and go to town Feb 01 18:47:36 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7694&view=next Feb 01 18:48:39 ron_frown thanks, let me have a look at it.will get back to you. Feb 01 18:52:46 does anyone even like the pixi Feb 01 18:52:49 its so ugly to me Feb 01 18:53:18 i like the pixi Feb 01 18:53:29 it was better for my wife than the pre, cuz it's more kid-proff Feb 01 18:53:36 proof, even Feb 01 18:54:11 but of course.. beauty is in the eye of the beerholder Feb 01 18:54:29 honestly i am not impressed with the hardware of any of them Feb 01 18:54:32 it sad... Feb 01 18:54:37 how do yo swype to the left on the emulator Feb 01 18:54:38 the os is probably ahead of its time Feb 01 18:54:47 and to showcase they put it on that hardware Feb 01 18:54:48 i need to start using this emaultor before i think about buying it Feb 01 19:01:49 * oilsworkn has to say, carbon is pretty slick Feb 01 19:02:23 * hotdp wonders if oil's pre is carbon Feb 01 19:03:04 hm? Feb 01 19:07:38 lies Feb 01 19:12:19 ha... the air from my lungs is better than that in a spray-can for fixing the no-sound problem. I can use my pre as a regular phone again! \o/ Feb 01 19:13:08 yes, the Feb 01 19:13:14 "nintendo" trick Feb 01 19:13:27 i know it all too well Feb 01 19:13:50 * halfhalo doesnt Feb 01 19:14:13 I've had the pre for liek 6mo and just today got it functional Feb 01 19:14:18 i actually used it yesterday Feb 01 19:14:18 by bypassing activation Feb 01 19:14:33 so i could play super mario 3 in a friends nintendo Feb 01 19:17:35 so now ron_frown /nick ron_smile? Feb 01 19:17:44 meh its only a pre Feb 01 19:17:44 haha Feb 01 19:17:48 lol Feb 01 19:18:00 I've got half a dozen 1ghz android phones Feb 01 19:18:04 including some samsungs Feb 01 19:18:44 /nick ron_smirk? Feb 01 19:18:51 lol Feb 01 19:18:55 fair enough Feb 01 19:19:05 send me some of this newfangled rumored hardware coming out this mo Feb 01 19:19:14 maybe it will be ron_palmfanboi Feb 01 19:19:20 haha Feb 01 19:19:29 I like the idea of webos Feb 01 19:19:37 just some things never worked the greatest for me Feb 01 19:19:49 like responsiveness of say things like button clicks and what not Feb 01 19:20:09 yeah, that happens Feb 01 19:20:42 webos2 fixes some of that though Feb 01 19:20:59 with the native launcher Feb 01 19:22:46 and faster processor in pre2 helps too Feb 01 19:23:01 id be shocked if anything they announce on the 9th is less than 1ghz Feb 01 19:27:29 hoping for a global release is probably exaggerating, right? Feb 01 19:27:39 (global release of whatever it is they're going to announce :p) Feb 01 19:27:51 idk, hp is so huge Feb 01 19:27:54 they may just do it Feb 01 19:29:28 anyone Feb 01 19:29:34 im trying to swype left on sdk Feb 01 19:29:38 so i can go back and not quit an application Feb 01 19:29:40 any ideas Feb 01 19:29:45 uh Feb 01 19:29:59 escape? Feb 01 19:30:54 "ESC Performs the back gesture (or swipe back)." Feb 01 19:31:25 so says http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744 Feb 01 19:31:38 (part way down) Feb 01 19:33:48 anywy to get the sdk/emulator to boot up like the first i would with a real palm ? Feb 01 19:34:07 hm? Feb 01 19:34:20 aka inital setup Feb 01 19:34:33 i dont think you can with the emulator Feb 01 19:34:51 i could be wrong Feb 01 19:37:09 palm-launch com.palm.app.firstuse Feb 01 19:37:18 esc home and end are important buttons Feb 01 19:37:19 heh Feb 01 19:37:29 yea Feb 01 19:37:31 macman_: what are you trying to do? Feb 01 19:37:35 be more specific Feb 01 19:37:40 * oilsworkn assumes catalog access Feb 01 19:37:42 imitate being on a real palm Feb 01 19:37:44 sync google account Feb 01 19:37:50 you can without first use Feb 01 19:37:50 fake calls etc .. like iw ould do normally on a device Feb 01 19:37:52 you can sync google account already Feb 01 19:37:58 yes im doing that Feb 01 19:38:01 you can fake calls Feb 01 19:38:03 i just want to see the whole seutp experience Feb 01 19:38:07 with luna-send Feb 01 19:38:16 and fake gps with a csv Feb 01 19:38:18 xD Feb 01 19:38:35 its syncing my google account Feb 01 19:38:43 how can i stop it so that i can run the setup ? Feb 01 19:38:48 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1662&Itemid=263 Feb 01 19:39:21 good ol' luna-send Feb 01 19:40:01 * Tibfib has never used it Feb 01 19:40:47 * oilsworkn has used it to test cross-launching Feb 01 19:40:51 or relaunching Feb 01 19:40:55 and service tests Feb 01 19:41:13 to see if the problem is the app or the service Feb 01 19:43:32 ok Feb 01 19:43:41 im have a gamil account with many lables / folders Feb 01 19:43:51 im in my gmail on the emualor/device and i can\t see those folders Feb 01 19:44:03 i clicked on email > no options .. and i clicked on inbox / no option Feb 01 19:44:05 any ideas ? Feb 01 19:44:50 there is a "favorites" divider and a divider for each email account Feb 01 19:44:54 tap the divider for the email account Feb 01 19:46:11 i only have 1 email account Feb 01 19:46:36 i see it Feb 01 19:46:41 i have to go back a couple Feb 01 19:46:50 thanks Feb 01 19:47:38 wierd Feb 01 19:47:43 on gmail my lables show they have unread Feb 01 19:47:49 on emaultor/device they don\t show any unread Feb 01 19:48:14 there it goes im in patient Feb 01 19:48:15 sorry Feb 01 19:49:42 lol Feb 01 19:49:53 of course if i send / call nothing works correct ? Feb 01 19:52:11 emulator != phone Feb 01 19:52:17 ? Feb 01 19:52:21 Adora: you here? Feb 01 19:57:27 something else Feb 01 19:57:44 isnt there a command i can type that unlocks the package manager Feb 01 19:57:46 or something Feb 01 20:11:39 lol, my clock is more accurate than the top bar clock (according to system time) Feb 01 20:12:17 i figured it out Feb 01 20:12:23 is preware only installed via computer /usb Feb 01 20:13:57 I think so Feb 01 20:14:14 i know it will be easier on the device Feb 01 20:14:16 :D Feb 01 20:14:32 you dont have access to package manager Feb 01 20:14:35 well Feb 01 20:14:40 i used to Feb 01 20:14:43 i had to ssh it last time Feb 01 20:14:49 yes you do that way Feb 01 20:15:03 your best bet if you have the sdk installed Feb 01 20:15:09 palm-install Feb 01 20:15:33 then just install it from a terminal window Feb 01 20:15:38 it will install in the emulator Feb 01 20:16:35 webOS quick install works pretty well Feb 01 20:16:39 and the stand alone installers Feb 01 20:16:45 buttt since you have the sdk Feb 01 20:18:05 k i got it Feb 01 20:19:19 umm.. Feb 01 20:22:24 preware is linux apps etc .. Feb 01 20:22:28 how about regular apps ? Feb 01 20:24:22 just got my new pixi plus Feb 01 20:24:40 fun stuff Feb 01 20:27:13 preware has normal apps Feb 01 20:27:40 i can't find fandango Feb 01 20:28:29 yep Feb 01 20:28:43 ok Feb 01 20:28:46 not suppose to ? Feb 01 20:28:47 it's because you using the emulator.. so don't worry about it Feb 01 20:28:52 you're* Feb 01 20:28:53 aw ok Feb 01 20:29:11 macman what are you trying to do with the emulator Feb 01 20:30:24 CTLAdvance just normal day to day stuff .. like i would if i had a device in my hand Feb 01 20:30:30 bah bad idea Feb 01 20:30:33 huh ? Feb 01 20:30:34 why ? Feb 01 20:30:41 only way i can learn it Feb 01 20:30:41 it isn't the same Feb 01 20:30:44 The emulator functions so much differently than the phone Feb 01 20:30:49 oh really Feb 01 20:30:57 well i will get the basic concept correct ? Feb 01 20:30:57 gestures on device make webOS 10000x better than emu Feb 01 20:31:02 things may run smoother, or slower depending on what your doing Feb 01 20:31:14 emulator really is just for basic app testing Feb 01 20:31:15 well im doing the basics Feb 01 20:31:19 beyond that is not a good idea Feb 01 20:31:25 I said app testing Feb 01 20:31:30 not day to day stuff Feb 01 20:31:34 ok coo Feb 01 20:31:51 well i need to learn basics of it .. im not just gonna drop money on a device and not know what it dosen\t or does do right ? Feb 01 20:32:04 thousands did when it came out Feb 01 20:32:10 I am not sure who would buy any devices in the lineup Feb 01 20:32:11 thats cause there dumb Feb 01 20:32:16 except a pre 2 Feb 01 20:32:21 macman_: no, that's because there was no other option Feb 01 20:32:32 sugardave hmm ? they could hvae done research on it ? Feb 01 20:32:42 when the Pre came out, there was no emulator Feb 01 20:32:47 oh i see Feb 01 20:32:47 so, how to do what you're doing? Feb 01 20:32:50 impossible Feb 01 20:32:50 thousands did what when it came out Feb 01 20:33:05 got the device without using the emulator before hand to learn how to use it Feb 01 20:33:10 Ah yes Feb 01 20:33:16 the emulator is really bad in webOS Feb 01 20:33:17 oh wow Feb 01 20:33:31 CTLAdvance it probably is but its something right ? Feb 01 20:33:54 the thing is Feb 01 20:34:15 lol if i buy this pre i will probably get booted from all my android channels Feb 01 20:34:38 the only device you should care about at the moment is the Pre2, which doesnt even have an emulator that functions similar to the device released Feb 01 20:35:13 CTLAdvance i hope it comes to ATT Feb 01 20:35:26 its on att now, but sold unlocked from hp Feb 01 20:35:33 aw Feb 01 20:35:38 my Pre2 has an ATT pay-as-you-go plan Feb 01 20:35:48 My pre2 is on sprint Feb 01 20:36:16 my pre2 is my webOS iPod touch Feb 01 20:36:24 why do you say that? Feb 01 20:36:26 too bad I can't share apps on my normal pre Feb 01 20:36:30 why's the pre2 suppose to kick so much ass? Feb 01 20:36:45 ShadeS: who's that directed at? Feb 01 20:36:48 who said it will kick so much ass Feb 01 20:36:55 im upgrade eligble Feb 01 20:37:03 Tibfib: anyone who can answer Feb 01 20:37:17 I like it a lot. would have been awesome at ces last year Feb 01 20:37:19 the pre 2 is the only device out that has any sort of decent specs Feb 01 20:37:37 so if your going to buy a webOS device, it should be the pre 2 Feb 01 20:37:48 I'm no longer super worried about specs, just apps for webOS Feb 01 20:37:54 I would be a mistake for anyone to buy a Pre/pixi at this point Feb 01 20:38:09 'decent specs' you mean that runs webos? Feb 01 20:38:19 CTLAdvance i need something .. my wife broke my phone Feb 01 20:38:24 lol Feb 01 20:38:30 lol Feb 01 20:38:38 it has good specs. except for screen. Feb 01 20:38:58 wifi? Feb 01 20:39:08 The pre2 can run webOS well, not so much for the pre-/+ and pixi Feb 01 20:39:26 ShadeS: dunno if it supports N Feb 01 20:39:27 I don't think so Feb 01 20:39:47 not that I am aware of Feb 01 20:39:52 * CTLAdvance runs to the box Feb 01 20:40:04 brb Feb 01 20:42:21 * CTLAdvance doesnt see wireless n Feb 01 20:42:46 sugardave, haeffb: setting alarms works. I'm pretty sure it works with timezones now, but changing time in emulator is pretty terrible Feb 01 20:44:14 why? Feb 01 20:44:16 Tibfib: just take your Pre outside and run really fast to Colorado. Feb 01 20:44:40 lol, snowing pretty bad now :) Feb 01 20:44:45 sugardave: it just is badd Feb 01 20:44:51 even better...skis Feb 01 20:44:52 at least in my emu Feb 01 20:44:58 heh, cross country ski Feb 01 20:45:10 you mean bad things happen when you change the time? Feb 01 20:45:34 time travel is not a trifling matter Feb 01 20:46:14 my apologies sensei Feb 01 20:46:15 sugardave has a good point. Feb 01 20:49:58 javascript question Feb 01 20:50:36 I have a field in the database called "tags" which contains a list of tags separated by spaces. Feb 01 20:51:00 'tag1 tag2 multi word tag breaks your shit' Feb 01 20:51:11 I can do a SQL query to get an array of unique tags Feb 01 20:51:24 yea, don't care about that. Feb 01 20:51:34 k Feb 01 20:51:35 but I get "tag1 tag2" Feb 01 20:51:40 and "tag1" Feb 01 20:51:47 and "tag2 tag3" Feb 01 20:52:08 what's the easiest way to get that into [tag1, tag2, tag3] Feb 01 20:52:30 string.split(" ") might be it Feb 01 20:52:49 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/split Feb 01 20:53:12 split strings into array, use prototype to see if the value already exists before pushing it Feb 01 20:53:20 question Feb 01 20:53:20 I have to .split the tags, then check each item in that array against each item in [tag1, tag2, tag3] to see if it's a new unique value... Feb 01 20:53:23 i have 2 calls on the line Feb 01 20:53:32 how do i go to the other withouth hanging up Feb 01 20:53:52 "use prototype" ? Feb 01 20:54:02 macman - only put it on hold Feb 01 20:54:08 like I said call waiting sucks Feb 01 20:54:08 remember, it's been six months since I've javascripted anything. Feb 01 20:54:13 haeffb: make arrays, add together. then array.uniq() Feb 01 20:54:16 haeffb: prototype has some special enumerable method for seeing if an element is in a collection already Feb 01 20:54:19 http://api.prototypejs.org/language/Array/prototype/uniq/ Feb 01 20:54:22 that one Feb 01 20:54:30 prototype is going away! Feb 01 20:54:42 not with mojo Feb 01 20:54:49 CTLAdvance how do you deal with that Feb 01 20:54:49 mojo is going away! Feb 01 20:54:53 mojo is going away! Feb 01 20:54:56 someday Feb 01 20:54:57 macman - I try not to Feb 01 20:55:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s Feb 01 20:55:13 of course, I could always include prototype in my app, I guess Feb 01 20:55:27 * Tibfib may do that eventually. Feb 01 20:55:32 string functions are wonderful Feb 01 20:55:33 there's also standard js 'in' method, but I Feb 01 20:55:36 OK, prototype it is. Feb 01 20:55:39 'm not sure if that works against arrays Feb 01 20:55:53 sugardave: what, uniq? Feb 01 20:55:56 in Feb 01 20:56:03 for in loop Feb 01 20:56:33 oh Feb 01 20:56:33 * haeffb headed down the prototype path Feb 01 20:57:26 * Tibfib didn't see that message Feb 01 21:05:54 can you have favorite groups ? Feb 01 21:10:12 hay webos, hows everyone? whats the current convo? Feb 01 21:10:35 PatrickC_Home me getting a pre Feb 01 21:10:57 awesome, what carrier? Feb 01 21:11:05 ATT Feb 01 21:11:09 and make sure to use Preware on it ;) Feb 01 21:11:14 yes Feb 01 21:11:16 upupdowndown Feb 01 21:11:18 i got that down Feb 01 21:11:19 :D Feb 01 21:11:19 and visit http://awesomeapps.weebly.com Feb 01 21:11:27 or "webos20090606" Feb 01 21:11:30 and precenteral eh Feb 01 21:11:34 yep Feb 01 21:11:46 im navigating the sdk / emulator Feb 01 21:12:08 just use webos20090606 to get into dev mode, much easier then upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Feb 01 21:12:14 do u like it? Feb 01 21:12:19 ultimately less cool, however Feb 01 21:12:36 what, the webos20090606? it is less cool, but faster :p Feb 01 21:12:54 ha, the tags are separated by comma, not space Feb 01 21:13:09 * sugardave laughs at haeffb. Feb 01 21:13:25 * haeffb frowns at sugardave Feb 01 21:13:33 or, if u get a pre2 unlocked, then u get 2.0!!!, and if u are a developer, then u could get the $200 discount! Feb 01 21:13:53 * PatrickC_Home is trying to figure out what sugardave is talking about... lol Feb 01 21:14:10 this is a pain - going from object to array to object Feb 01 21:14:32 ok, im lost... lol, still new to coding terms.. :) Feb 01 21:14:35 or array of objects to single array back to array of objects Feb 01 21:14:43 haeffb: why not keep a separate table of unique tags Feb 01 21:14:44 ohh ok Feb 01 21:15:03 as they come in and you know they are unique, put them in the lookup table Feb 01 21:15:14 brb, gotta do some algebra... :) Feb 01 21:15:19 I might just do that Feb 01 21:16:33 but they're already stored in with each individual note Feb 01 21:16:51 so...seems a waste of space Feb 01 21:16:54 what does tha app do? Feb 01 21:16:59 just curious Feb 01 21:17:14 Notes app that syncs with http://www.simplenoteapp.com Feb 01 21:17:35 normalized would have the terms in a table, then each entry with the tags column would have a list of the ids from the lookup table Feb 01 21:17:40 slightly less space used Feb 01 21:17:50 and easier to present tag lists for selection Feb 01 21:18:05 yes, but the API provides tags with the notes, not individual tags Feb 01 21:18:10 ah Feb 01 21:18:12 bogus Feb 01 21:18:17 whatever Feb 01 21:18:55 so you need to do what, number-indexed array of strings ---> ? Feb 01 21:19:27 well, I also have to use them in the model for a listSelector Feb 01 21:20:01 so what I need is.... [{label: "tag1", command: 1}, {label: "tag2", command: 2}] Feb 01 21:20:44 it's being a pain Feb 01 21:21:39 for(){newArray.push({label: array[i], command: i});} Feb 01 21:22:14 yes...that's the last step. it's just annoying that I go from an array of objects. Feb 01 21:22:16 To an array. Feb 01 21:22:22 back to an array of objects Feb 01 21:22:39 what else can you do? nothing Feb 01 21:22:49 i.e. from the SQL query, I get [{label: "tag1 tag2"}] Feb 01 21:23:06 agreed. nothing but be annoyed. :) Feb 01 21:23:35 maybe I could write a better SQL query? Feb 01 21:23:55 sqlString = "SELECT DISTINCT tags AS label FROM notes; GO;"; Feb 01 21:23:57 that's possible, what is your current one Feb 01 21:23:59 ah Feb 01 21:24:23 which gives [{label: "tag1 tag2"}] Feb 01 21:25:00 distinct may be worthless here, since you are then doing another pass to remove duplicate strings anyway Feb 01 21:25:46 it will still cut down on the number I have to process in javascript. whether sqlite is more efficient or not...I dunno. Feb 01 21:27:02 oops. It's [{label: "tag1,tag2"}, {label: "tag2}, {label: "tag1,tag3"}] Feb 01 21:28:01 i have no clue what uall are talking about lol Feb 01 21:29:50 PatrickC_Home: it's javascript stuff Feb 01 21:30:11 there has to be a way to get it to return one big string of all those tags Feb 01 21:30:20 but this is where my sql-fu will fail Feb 01 21:31:28 i know its javascript stuff, but its still over my head lol Feb 01 21:31:34 yeah, mine too. Feb 01 21:31:43 I'll stick with the brute force way for now Feb 01 21:31:46 i know basic javascript, but not enough to do anything like this :p Feb 01 21:31:55 that always works! haha Feb 01 21:32:19 algebra is soo fun lol Feb 01 21:35:48 hey nerds: Feb 01 21:35:48 http://twitter.com/funkatron/statuses/32547950198521856/ Feb 01 21:36:45 * haeffb considers whether or not to click on funkatron's link Feb 01 21:37:13 do I admit to being a nerd? Feb 01 21:37:24 lol Feb 01 21:37:59 gah. separating out the tags breaks my other SQL query Feb 01 21:38:21 SELECT * FROM notes WHERE tags LIKE 'quotes'; Feb 01 21:38:38 does not match notes with tags = "quotes,stuff" Feb 01 21:38:54 sigh. Feb 01 21:39:29 you can fix that Feb 01 21:39:55 I can't find the right prototype funciton, but I know there's one Feb 01 21:40:03 for what? Feb 01 21:40:54 for haeffb Feb 01 21:41:11 I'm not sure exactly what he's doing so I'll let him explain Feb 01 21:41:13 * oilsworkn looks in logs Feb 01 21:41:14 not prototype, sqlite3 Feb 01 21:41:23 oh, they are like that in the table? Feb 01 21:41:25 SELECT * FROM notes WHERE tags LIKE '%quotes%' Feb 01 21:41:26 yes Feb 01 21:41:26 ? Feb 01 21:41:35 :/ Feb 01 21:42:00 oilsworkn: in Noted!, I have notes in the db, each note has tags. the tags column is "tag1,tag2" etc Feb 01 21:42:14 I need to be able to select any notes with "tag2" Feb 01 21:42:19 eww Feb 01 21:42:37 LIKE '%tag2%' doesn't work? Feb 01 21:42:52 maybe that's what I'm missing. hang on. Feb 01 21:43:18 funkatron: do you need some really ugly themes? Feb 01 21:43:23 "A percent symbol ("%") in the LIKE pattern matches any sequence of zero or more characters in the string." Feb 01 21:43:27 http://www.sqlite.org/lang_expr.html Feb 01 21:43:29 fricking wildcards Feb 01 21:43:59 * haeffb will kiss oilsworkn next time we're in the same room Feb 01 21:44:07 and/or buy him a beer. Feb 01 21:44:12 second option please Feb 01 21:44:16 lol Feb 01 21:44:20 lol Feb 01 21:44:25 haha Feb 01 21:44:57 its funny, because I see haeffb and sugardave, and in my head i know what they look like Feb 01 21:45:06 i see Tibfib and i think retarded kevin from the office Feb 01 21:45:11 hahahaha Feb 01 21:45:16 lol Feb 01 21:45:28 * Tibfib should'a gone to devday Feb 01 21:45:30 but thats not my fault Feb 01 21:45:30 haha Feb 01 21:47:32 sup mah nerds Feb 01 21:47:55 funkatron: do you need some really ugly themes? Feb 01 21:48:00 ;) Feb 01 21:48:01 makes me not want to reply and confirm that im a nerd Feb 01 21:48:09 lol Feb 01 21:48:10 there really are no good pictures of me on facebook Feb 01 21:48:27 not that i have a facebook account to be able to see it anyways Feb 01 21:49:08 oh do you have to have a facebook account to see other public profile stuff? Feb 01 21:49:23 idk Feb 01 21:49:40 usually i get linked to facebook stuff and it requires an account Feb 01 21:51:32 I don't think I have any pics of myself on my computer Feb 01 21:52:16 looks I'll be kevin in your mind forever Feb 01 21:52:23 thats fine with me Feb 01 21:52:23 haha Feb 01 21:53:32 huzzah Feb 01 21:53:47 sugardave: why not? Feb 01 21:54:21 I-70 and I-44 in Missouri are closed due to blizzard. Feb 01 21:55:35 precentral won't let me edit my apps. Feb 01 21:55:57 * sugardave won't get any snow. Feb 01 21:56:11 snow is awesome Feb 01 21:56:15 funkatron: I'll send you an email Feb 01 21:56:45 snowing steady here all day Feb 01 21:57:24 coolio Feb 01 21:57:52 * oilsworkn bets theme is palm-default Feb 01 21:58:17 hey, that's my favorite theme Feb 01 21:58:21 lol Feb 01 21:58:25 lol Feb 01 21:58:42 funkatron: you just want .css files? No need to fork the project and add the theme in the prefs, right? Feb 01 21:58:48 nope Feb 01 21:58:49 channelsurfing.net shut down by government today? Feb 01 21:58:52 css files Feb 01 21:58:56 nice Feb 01 21:59:03 and to add a theme, you just add it to app/views/themes.js Feb 01 21:59:08 there's a hash in there Feb 01 21:59:15 it automatically populates the prefs Feb 01 21:59:22 fancy Feb 01 21:59:22 oops forgot to update my palm profile address.. transaction failed.. but i still got to download the app Feb 01 21:59:23 ah, easy enough Feb 01 21:59:43 I wanted it to be easy for people to just make their own themes and install them with patches Feb 01 21:59:46 oh, this sounds "simple" Feb 01 22:00:04 * sugardave tries to remember git basics....again. Feb 01 22:00:19 dave, i have to learn git basics heh Feb 01 22:00:29 gonna git xTwitter hopefully tonite Feb 01 22:00:47 dawm: make it easy on yourself, get GitX or Git-tower :p Feb 01 22:01:07 dawm: once you get the hang of git (and continue to use it, I'm guessing) it's not that bad Feb 01 22:02:11 just dont be on Windows :( Feb 01 22:03:13 mugen[dsktp] mugen[osx] : ping pong ding dong boomshakalaka? Feb 01 22:04:49 doh. I'm on windows. Feb 01 22:05:31 limited options if you dont want to install cygwin Feb 01 22:07:36 lol Feb 01 22:07:46 I have some kinda git installed. Don't much use it though. Feb 01 22:08:51 * oilsworkn knows just enough git to get stuff done Feb 01 22:09:15 just dont ask me to branch or merge or anything fancy Feb 01 22:09:47 yeah. Feb 01 22:10:32 git clone, git pull, git push, thats about the limit Feb 01 22:11:41 git r done Feb 01 22:12:42 hmm, trying to use git in eclipse...I should just select the master branch, huh? Feb 01 22:13:50 ha. just pushed new commit. https://github.com/haeffb/Noted/commits/master Feb 01 22:13:58 git in eclipse? Feb 01 22:14:04 * oilsworkn didn't know there was a plugin Feb 01 22:14:06 git in eclipse Feb 01 22:14:17 rwhitby put webosfinger on git, i managed to comment and update some changes.. Feb 01 22:15:03 eclipse egit or jgit Feb 01 22:15:03 only if "git r done" was an actual git command Feb 01 22:15:58 http://www.eclipse.org/egit/ Feb 01 22:16:01 I have egit Feb 01 22:16:02 hrm komodo 6 has git stuff Feb 01 22:16:07 wonder what version i have Feb 01 22:16:07 I'm sure I don'tuse it properly Feb 01 22:16:19 during the hackathon I just used command line git to commit stuff Feb 01 22:16:32 when did egit come out? Feb 01 22:16:48 I installed it pre-hackathon Feb 01 22:17:05 Latest Version: 0.10.1 Feb 01 22:17:05 lol Feb 01 22:17:34 * oilsworkn remembers to try it out at home Feb 01 22:18:13 so who won the thinkbeyond thinger? Feb 01 22:20:12 * oilsworkn is ready to pack a bagh Feb 01 22:20:30 Potential winner will be notified on or about February 1, 2011 and Feb 01 22:20:31 will have 48 hours to respond to accept the prize. Feb 01 22:21:07 Potential winner will be contacted by Twitter Direct Message within 24 Feb 01 22:21:07 hours of the Drawing Date to the potential winner’s Twitter ID as recorded in the potential winner’s Feb 01 22:21:07 Twitter account to obtain mailing address and/or phone number. Feb 01 22:21:25 then it goes on to say they have 24hrs to respond Feb 01 22:21:31 but before it said 48hours Feb 01 22:21:55 well that person needs to get on it! Feb 01 22:21:55 * haeffb checks twitter Feb 01 22:22:21 i gots no DM =( Feb 01 22:22:23 woohoo! Feb 01 22:22:25 nothing! Feb 01 22:22:25 hmm, good link color for http://kotoplayer.com/screenshots/koto_7.png ? Feb 01 22:22:28 wtahat is this? Feb 01 22:22:34 at least the contest is over... people were spamming twitter with it Feb 01 22:22:51 funkatron: win a trip to feb 9th thing Feb 01 22:22:55 heh Feb 01 22:22:55 DM? Worst idea ever :C Feb 01 22:22:58 I wasn't following palm Feb 01 22:23:04 bold and underlined? Feb 01 22:23:06 * oilsworkn wasn't until earlier Feb 01 22:23:22 Tibfib: link color? Feb 01 22:23:31 when the airlines broke my webos cup Feb 01 22:23:34 yeah.. like the color of links on that background Feb 01 22:23:39 tibfib: the best contrast color is probably a yellow. techjunk79 will hate it tho Feb 01 22:23:43 and they're all "DM us your address, we'll send you another" Feb 01 22:23:44 hehe Feb 01 22:23:46 so i did, and they didnt Feb 01 22:24:08 bug them Feb 01 22:24:13 Palm loses like everything Feb 01 22:24:19 meh Feb 01 22:24:23 not that big of a deal Feb 01 22:24:31 cup would have just sat on the shelf anyways Feb 01 22:24:40 is this the beer glass? Feb 01 22:24:43 yeah Feb 01 22:24:44 I want a goddamn mug Feb 01 22:25:00 they lost... My dev Pre and a warranty replacement touchstone back :B Feb 01 22:29:36 funkatron: the link color it is for dreadnaught might work Feb 01 22:30:09 word Feb 01 22:33:14 okay, I think I finally got a webOS project in Eclipse AND it uses git Feb 01 22:34:47 so Feb 01 22:35:02 for webos n00bs /new palm pre owners is it better to idel in #webos or #webos-internals Feb 01 22:35:19 hmm, tough question Feb 01 22:35:26 webos Feb 01 22:35:31 #webos-internals is dead a lot Feb 01 22:35:35 #webOS Feb 01 22:36:02 macman - was just on a conf call, had an incoming call say it was on hold for 97 minutes Feb 01 22:36:13 lol Feb 01 22:36:28 i just lenared how to save a photo from gmail to contacts and assign it ot a contact Feb 01 22:36:54 this is what sucks about getting that palm pre 2 Feb 01 22:37:09 in a couple days my wife is gonna say you need a phone now for emergency Feb 01 22:37:14 she already knows mine is broken Feb 01 22:37:15 so Feb 01 22:37:21 i won\t be ble to wait till the 9th Feb 01 22:37:33 s/ble/able Feb 01 22:37:36 which is in... a week Feb 01 22:37:47 yep .. people are calling me and its going no where 0_o Feb 01 22:38:01 well order the pre2 from hp and have it overnighted Feb 01 22:38:04 it's like being back in the days before answering machines Feb 01 22:38:05 save your upgrade option Feb 01 22:38:07 macman_: neither is really intended for webOS users. Feb 01 22:38:18 haeffb what do you mean ? Feb 01 22:38:19 we dont even know if they are going to release anything soon after the 9th Feb 01 22:38:25 it may be coming months again :/ Feb 01 22:38:43 Get a cheapo pre-paid phone Feb 01 22:38:43 * sugardave has high hopes again. Feb 01 22:38:45 neither #webos nor #webosinternals are intended for webos users. Feb 01 22:38:51 The new HP CEO says he wants products to be in people's hands "weeks" after announcing, not "months" Feb 01 22:38:58 not to say that you can't hang out in either one. Feb 01 22:38:59 (Can't remember what his name is!) Feb 01 22:39:01 lol at the pharmacist Feb 01 22:39:05 Apotheker Feb 01 22:39:10 Leo Feb 01 22:39:11 Yeah, Apotheker Feb 01 22:39:23 I think apotheker is pharmacist in german Feb 01 22:39:27 lets see Feb 01 22:39:34 So with that + the one VP saying in a CES interview that they COULD have launched stuff at CES but gave things their own event instead Feb 01 22:39:34 hotdp told us that this morning Feb 01 22:39:38 we do taxes on thursday Feb 01 22:39:38 :D Feb 01 22:39:43 if we have money i will have to get a phone Feb 01 22:39:50 that anything announced on the 9th will be in people's hands very soon after Feb 01 22:40:00 sineot - I thought it was only said they could have shown stuff Feb 01 22:40:03 * haeffb expects them to be shipping within a week. Feb 01 22:40:19 if you're going to show stuff, don't you think that would count as a launch/announcement? Feb 01 22:40:25 lol haeffb Feb 01 22:40:26 will they be on Sprint...that is the bigger question for me Feb 01 22:40:33 SineOT - No Feb 01 22:40:34 sugardave: true dat Feb 01 22:40:45 it's hard to show a product and NOT have that count as an announcement don't you think Feb 01 22:40:48 I have seen many things shown that didnt launch for a while Feb 01 22:41:02 They showed us the Pre - on 1/2009 Feb 01 22:41:08 didnt launch until june Feb 01 22:41:15 CTLAdvance: that was Palm. This is HP. Feb 01 22:41:35 this is HP with a CEO saying he wants stuff to be in people's hands within weeks Feb 01 22:41:39 I just hope they are right Feb 01 22:41:43 you are right* Feb 01 22:42:08 chuqui: when will the new phones ship on Sprint? Feb 01 22:42:20 * sugardave grabs popcorn. Feb 01 22:42:29 (/me hopes he's distracted and doesn't really pay attention when answering questions) Feb 01 22:42:31 haeffb: hey, how ya doing? I got carrots in my ears, can't hear a thing today. Feb 01 22:42:45 oh, I was going to ask what sleep apnea was like :< Feb 01 22:42:57 well that's ok, you dont' have to hear anything, just read type. Feb 01 22:43:04 my question will never be answered q_q (lol) Feb 01 22:43:06 So... when will the new phones ship on Sprint. :D Feb 01 22:43:49 SineOt: it's like being exhausted all of the time, and snoring so loud your neighbors complain. Feb 01 22:43:51 my Sprint store has Galaxy Tabs and Epic 4Gs falling off the shelves... Feb 01 22:44:03 my wife has a CPAP machine for sleep apnea Feb 01 22:44:59 I'm to the point where I think I need to finally do something about my sleep, because I'm exhausted all the time... But I don't snore Feb 01 22:45:11 I twitch. Like, REALLY bad, all night Feb 01 22:45:22 SineOT - He said he wants devices shipped within weeks, I didnt read that as they will be Feb 01 22:45:37 <-- Had a ENT doc take a weedwacker to his throat a few years ago to remove my tonsils. Best thing ever. So much more energy during the days now. Feb 01 22:46:08 Chuqui - Can you confirm devices shipping in weeks of feb 9th Feb 01 22:46:13 and not coming months Feb 01 22:46:16 :) Feb 01 22:46:24 dumb question Feb 01 22:46:28 can facebook be installed on sdk Feb 01 22:46:59 CTLAdvance: wrong question. Feb 01 22:47:01 CTLAdvance: I read that as being well, CEO speak with a way out if things don't work out great Feb 01 22:47:04 sineot: Seems like that's something drugs (the legal kind) could solve. Feb 01 22:47:35 a little exercise perhaps? Feb 01 22:47:46 chuqui: do you deny new devices will ship within weeks of Feb 9th? Feb 01 22:47:59 dgathright: yeah, for sure. I had my tonsils out a few years ago because they were MASSIVE and basically chocking me :p Feb 01 22:48:01 * CTLAdvance thinks chuqui like to bring a big bag of soon when we ask him about impending releases Feb 01 22:48:15 CTLAdvance: already do, doesn't really help Feb 01 22:48:28 arg Feb 01 22:48:35 well a good trip to the doc could help you Feb 01 22:49:15 macman_: anything can be installed on the emu if you have the .ipk Feb 01 22:49:20 aw Feb 01 22:49:25 i see facebook on preware Feb 01 22:49:55 it's probably the catalog version...won't be able to get it in the emu from preware Feb 01 22:49:59 I think Feb 01 22:50:40 anyone recommend the ipk fetecher Feb 01 22:50:42 anyone have a batch file for package, install, and launch? Feb 01 22:50:43 i just googled and saw it Feb 01 22:51:55 Tibfib: komodo has it :D Feb 01 22:52:04 does it? Feb 01 22:52:16 somehow Feb 01 22:52:24 it packages, installs and launches Feb 01 22:52:38 like the eclipse plugin, but you can't peer into that one Feb 01 22:53:15 I'm using an external .js file. Do I include it in sources.json or in the script tag in index.html? Feb 01 22:53:22 either Feb 01 22:53:38 exercise just takes me from "really tired" to "you know laying down in the hallway sure sounds nice" :p Feb 01 22:53:42 dohtem: I do it in sources.json Feb 01 22:54:17 right now I have it in sources.json but I get errors in my log. Feb 01 22:54:28 undefined variables Feb 01 22:54:42 order matters Feb 01 22:54:46 ah Feb 01 22:54:53 I think komodo is python Feb 01 22:54:53 woot, just turned on remotedesktop, so i dont have to get up to access the desktop when im comfy on the couch with the macbook Feb 01 22:55:31 morning Feb 01 22:55:47 tibfib, im posting xTwitter on github (in the process of doing it now actually) Feb 01 22:55:55 nice! Feb 01 22:55:56 afternoon Feb 01 22:56:00 any significant changes? Feb 01 22:56:03 hi rwhitby Feb 01 22:56:14 im starting it off with what i sent you heh i made no changes Feb 01 22:56:27 trying to install a ipk on the emulator Feb 01 22:56:31 but after trying ou carbon for webos.. i was disappointed they didnt use xauth Feb 01 22:56:32 do i have to ssh to it and i can run it ? Feb 01 22:56:38 popping a browser card = lame to me Feb 01 22:57:06 i found it i think Feb 01 22:57:17 PreTool EMU -i myapp.ipk (Installs myapp.ipk on emulator) Feb 01 22:57:34 macman Feb 01 22:57:42 palm-install package.ipk Feb 01 22:58:15 thanks Feb 01 22:58:23 dawm where can i get a list of those commands so i can bookmark it Feb 01 22:58:29 um Feb 01 22:58:33 lol once i get my pre i will be removing all my android stuff Feb 01 22:58:36 my computer is filled Feb 01 22:58:36 look in the palm sdk directory Feb 01 22:58:41 anyone make batch files before? I have files to package and install... wonder if someone could help combine them Feb 01 22:58:49 Tibfib: what OS? Feb 01 22:59:03 windows Feb 01 22:59:14 sure Feb 01 22:59:18 macman_: look in the PalmSDK/Current/Bin directory Feb 01 22:59:20 paste your commands Feb 01 22:59:33 palm-install %1 and palm-package %1 Feb 01 22:59:34 lol Feb 01 22:59:45 I open the batch with the file Feb 01 22:59:47 palm-emulator, palm-help, palm-launch, palm-package, palm-generate, palm-install, palm-log, palm-worm Feb 01 22:59:59 right click, send to Feb 01 23:00:00 i use komodo and the webos addon Feb 01 23:00:03 'afternoon #webos Feb 01 23:00:09 howdy dkirker! Feb 01 23:00:10 1 click of an icon, packages and installs and launches on the emu Feb 01 23:00:12 Tibfib: so, make a file something.cmd Feb 01 23:00:15 hi Tibfib! Feb 01 23:00:23 and those are the lines Feb 01 23:00:40 it has to be a .cmd? hah Feb 01 23:00:44 or .bat Feb 01 23:00:50 it didn\t work Feb 01 23:00:52 i need to remove it Feb 01 23:01:08 then it's : something com.app.whatever Feb 01 23:01:30 this assumes your dir is named com.app.whatever (i.e. $1 is going to have to work on each command) Feb 01 23:01:49 er %1 Feb 01 23:02:08 sugardave: the problem is it needs to get the created .ipk, it trys to install the file Feb 01 23:02:21 you need palm-package first Feb 01 23:02:33 okay, then what's the something part? Feb 01 23:02:46 the filename you made, your script Feb 01 23:02:52 something.cmd Feb 01 23:03:09 ohh Feb 01 23:03:13 I know that part Feb 01 23:03:14 CTLAdvance: thinks chuq does what's possible, when possible. Feb 01 23:03:22 even if I do palm-package first it doesn't work Feb 01 23:03:53 palm-package %1 \n palm-install %1 doesn't work Feb 01 23:04:04 (yes \n isn't in the file) Feb 01 23:04:26 palm-package takes a pathname, palm-install takes a filename. you can't use the same argument for both Feb 01 23:04:27 Tibfib: does it make an .ipk? Feb 01 23:04:38 yep Feb 01 23:04:40 that's true Feb 01 23:04:51 rwhitby! Yess, so that's why I need someone's help Feb 01 23:04:54 sugardave: yes it does Feb 01 23:04:57 need to make the palm-install use %1 + some more string Feb 01 23:05:57 Tibfib: looking up some stuff, it's been awhile Feb 01 23:05:58 or some less string Feb 01 23:06:07 sugardave: thanks Feb 01 23:06:57 %1 %2 %3 = arg1 arg2 arg3 Feb 01 23:07:29 I need to get the created ipk Feb 01 23:07:31 Tibfib: first thing, IS your directory the same as your app id? Feb 01 23:07:35 no Feb 01 23:07:39 directory name, I mean Feb 01 23:07:42 and the verison numbers will be different Feb 01 23:07:44 palm-package %1 \n palm-install %2.ipk Feb 01 23:07:58 he wants it automated Feb 01 23:08:05 dawm|laptop: I am opening the batch file WITH the folder Feb 01 23:08:05 theres a perl tool i think for package/install/inspec Feb 01 23:08:16 so need to get the returned .ipk string, but not sure if you can do that in batch Feb 01 23:08:18 somewhere on some blog Feb 01 23:08:18 so drag folder onto file Feb 01 23:08:29 or "Send To" Feb 01 23:09:17 sugardave: shucks Feb 01 23:10:26 ugh it was spammed all over but now i cant find it Feb 01 23:12:25 dawm|laptop: I thought the same thing about carbon too :) Feb 01 23:12:39 yah all the hype and crappy twitter auth ;p Feb 01 23:13:18 they probably feel it's more secure.. Feb 01 23:14:19 here Feb 01 23:14:21 i found it Feb 01 23:14:22 https://github.com/dalmaer/palm-run Feb 01 23:14:43 https://github.com/dalmaer/palm-run#readme Feb 01 23:15:10 packages, installs and starts spitting out the log Feb 01 23:15:36 its a bash script Feb 01 23:18:56 Tibfib: I fail, it's probably possible to do in batch or rexx but beyond my ability Feb 01 23:20:45 hay people Feb 01 23:23:31 * CTLAdvance agrees with chuquis last statement about ctladvance Feb 01 23:24:13 sugardave: thanks for trying Feb 01 23:24:53 what statement? lol Feb 01 23:24:56 just got here Feb 01 23:30:21 hi PatrickC_Home! Feb 01 23:30:29 hay, whats up? Feb 01 23:30:40 not much, work, work and more work. Feb 01 23:30:44 I cannot make Spaz run Feb 01 23:30:47 hi dkirker Feb 01 23:30:53 Trying to get moVox polished up for the Feb 9th event. Feb 01 23:30:56 hi sugardave! Feb 01 23:30:58 well, with me its school, school and more school lol Feb 01 23:31:02 sugardave: okay Feb 01 23:31:09 dkirker: ooo, the sip client? Feb 01 23:31:11 sugardave: a little more info? Feb 01 23:31:32 sugardave: Yes. Feb 01 23:31:33 funkatron: sugardave was talking about a personal failing, not a problem with your app ;) Feb 01 23:31:40 hahaha Feb 01 23:31:45 yeah, pretty much :D Feb 01 23:31:50 perhaps he has no fingers Feb 01 23:31:54 dkirker: kick ass, I can't wait Feb 01 23:32:00 I wouldn't tease him about it though ... Feb 01 23:33:35 funkatron: well, I added my own key/secret and changed the file name, and it then stated 'MIGRATING FROM DEPOT' or something like that and said 'There was a problem decoding the JSON string' and put out a huge object...I re-ran it and now it just says the error with the json string, but there is no object Feb 01 23:34:06 open it in Ares Debug? Feb 01 23:34:19 I can't run Ares debug :( Feb 01 23:34:29 well, let me try it on this ff Feb 01 23:35:14 hrm Feb 01 23:35:44 actual logs in a pastie would help Feb 01 23:35:45 too Feb 01 23:36:48 funkatron: sure, I will get you some detail momentarily Feb 01 23:36:58 no worries. I'm kinda slow on the pull atm Feb 01 23:40:32 funkatron: http://webos.pastebin.com.pastebin.com/FUJyFfDt Feb 01 23:40:45 I can't get Ares debugger to connect to this emu Feb 01 23:41:07 brb Feb 01 23:41:22 okay, so your prefs weren't there Feb 01 23:41:28 and it copied the defaults Feb 01 23:41:28 yeah, fresh install Feb 01 23:41:40 that actually seems relatively normal Feb 01 23:41:46 oh, it just didn't launch Feb 01 23:41:47 is there an uncaught exception somewhere? Feb 01 23:42:23 not anymore, there was for SPAZCORE_CONSUMERKEY_TWITTER before I renamed the sample file Feb 01 23:42:59 funkatron: it's running now Feb 01 23:43:06 wtf Feb 01 23:45:21 you broke it Feb 01 23:45:40 argggg, still trying to find a link color for blue background Feb 01 23:50:00 take your blue and plug it in as a base color in Kuler Feb 01 23:50:26 funkatron: should Whiteknight theme be selectable? Feb 01 23:50:37 sugardave: no, not finished, so it's not enabled Feb 01 23:50:47 someone wants to finish it, go to town 8D Feb 01 23:50:54 ah, I see Feb 01 23:50:55 cool Feb 01 23:53:32 funkatron: trying now Feb 01 23:59:48 heh Feb 02 00:00:05 woz had a pre and replaced it with a droid x Feb 02 00:00:07 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/01/the-engadget-show-steve-wozniaks-white-iphone-video/ Feb 02 00:03:42 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-grey.png or http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow.png Feb 02 00:03:43 ? Feb 02 00:04:14 I think we could tone it down some, maybe less saturation int he yellow Feb 02 00:04:17 uh oh.. Feb 02 00:04:29 also maybe use a diff color between the username/time and links Feb 02 00:04:31 BUT Feb 02 00:04:33 it looks good! Feb 02 00:04:33 their testing the super loud outside speaker alert system Feb 02 00:05:02 sounds like fun (hehe) dawm Feb 02 00:05:05 i really hope i dont wake up to a ton of snow.. Feb 02 00:05:12 brb Feb 02 00:05:26 maybe itll be only a half a ton (sorry, really punchy today :) Feb 02 00:05:29 Tibfib: I'm writing a sample app to demonstrate xTwitter Feb 02 00:05:43 nice Feb 02 00:06:29 basically just an authorize button (which sends it to that snazzy twitter auth scene) and then after authorized, another button which is now enabled to send a test tweet Feb 02 00:06:47 should be more than enough Feb 02 00:07:24 what about the auth stuff? Feb 02 00:07:24 have any of u seen the app Fog Horn? Feb 02 00:07:39 require peeps to edit it? Feb 02 00:07:55 hay SineOt! Feb 02 00:07:58 you have to edit to supply the twitter app api keys Feb 02 00:09:55 tomorrow when i get to work (5am) i dont have a flight to work on until 9:30am .. first 6 flights for tomorrow were cancelled when i left Feb 02 00:10:19 snow? Feb 02 00:10:34 wintergeddon 2011 .. or something ;p Feb 02 00:10:44 dawm: lol Feb 02 00:11:32 * PatrickC_Home brb, time for dinner Feb 02 00:12:23 okay, what about this yellow: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow2.png ? Feb 02 00:13:16 looks fine to me Feb 02 00:14:40 the color combinations seem off Feb 02 00:15:19 or this http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow3.png Feb 02 00:15:36 or this grey http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-grey.png Feb 02 00:16:58 if you're doing the yellow, what does it look like without the underline? Feb 02 00:17:33 which yellow do you like better? 2 or 3? Feb 02 00:17:43 just to eliminate one before trying new stuff Feb 02 00:17:55 3 is too bright Feb 02 00:18:01 thought so Feb 02 00:18:15 yeah, I like 2 better Feb 02 00:18:28 alrighty, lemme see what it looks like without underlines Feb 02 00:18:30 but then, this might looks different on a device Feb 02 00:18:39 * dohtem is on a 5 yr old monitor Feb 02 00:19:28 hey, someone posted a link here a while ago on dumping the contents of a json object in the log. Anyone remember? Feb 02 00:19:42 Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(obj) ? Feb 02 00:19:47 gracias Feb 02 00:19:57 yeah, but be warned it sometimes barfs on big objects Feb 02 00:20:03 there's also Mojo.Log.info("%j", obj); or something like that Feb 02 00:20:05 throws some error about exceeding stack limit Feb 02 00:20:50 damn, this is a lot of images Feb 02 00:21:05 we're down to 2 Feb 02 00:21:28 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow2.png or http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-grey.png Feb 02 00:21:39 you should probably ask some design people. Feb 02 00:21:46 :) Feb 02 00:22:26 design people shmeign people Feb 02 00:22:59 yellow :p Feb 02 00:23:08 yellow yellow yellooooow Feb 02 00:23:20 blackandyellow Feb 02 00:25:11 no underline: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow-no-underline.png Feb 02 00:25:32 yeah, liking that Feb 02 00:26:04 that looks good Feb 02 00:27:43 should I do normal item separators? I like the taper Feb 02 00:29:10 looks ok. It's obvious enough Feb 02 00:29:50 funkatron: we are currently at http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow-no-underline.png Feb 02 00:30:08 the blue is really nice Feb 02 00:30:38 just need to find a diff color for names.. since they aren't links Feb 02 00:30:50 try building a pallette Feb 02 00:30:52 or make you turn them into links :P Feb 02 00:31:14 lol Feb 02 00:31:38 http://colorschemedesigner.com/ Feb 02 00:31:48 pick a triad Feb 02 00:31:53 or tetrad Feb 02 00:32:42 #FF5F00 Feb 02 00:37:40 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow-grey.png ehh? Feb 02 00:37:48 Not bad Feb 02 00:38:04 you might just want to play with it a bit Feb 02 00:38:11 I am just not really a fan of that grey :p Feb 02 00:38:12 give it a day or two Feb 02 00:38:23 yeah, I think the grey is a little harder to read. Feb 02 00:38:36 hola Feb 02 00:38:45 needs to be darker or lighter? Feb 02 00:38:53 try putting 14588B into this http://www.stylephreak.com/cm.php Feb 02 00:38:55 woa didn't realize that engadget followed PreCentral, funny Feb 02 00:39:08 well, lighter will be closer to white Feb 02 00:39:14 darker will be harder to read no doubt Feb 02 00:39:36 8) Feb 02 00:39:45 I think you should do what you think works best Feb 02 00:39:51 and give it a bit of time to mess with Feb 02 00:43:35 Yeah, that's why I tossed out FF5F00, an orange Feb 02 00:43:56 palettes are the math of matching colors Feb 02 00:44:20 woa that is straight TMZ status.. precentral is dating palm.. what! Feb 02 00:45:32 you guys said there is no webos 2.0 sdk right Feb 02 00:45:49 macman_: There's no public one.. Feb 02 00:45:52 there is no public 2.0 sdk Feb 02 00:45:53 dangit Feb 02 00:45:57 meh Feb 02 00:45:57 muahaha Feb 02 00:46:06 how bout private one Feb 02 00:46:15 join early access and find out Feb 02 00:46:15 macman_: you can request to join the early access program Feb 02 00:46:29 naw Feb 02 00:46:33 by that time i will have my pre Feb 02 00:46:34 :D Feb 02 00:46:38 ? Feb 02 00:46:53 DarkdowN im on sdk/emulator until i get my pre .. im testing how it works Feb 02 00:47:33 hopefully the sdk becomes public on 2/9.. if not(!) Feb 02 00:47:43 Tibfib: lighter gray Feb 02 00:47:48 does anyone here code for apple too? Feb 02 00:47:54 haeffb: lol... for what? Feb 02 00:48:15 * sugardave start massacring themes. Feb 02 00:48:19 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow-grey.png Feb 02 00:48:37 then it will be white... Feb 02 00:49:00 pm me if u code for apple Feb 02 00:49:01 brb Feb 02 00:49:06 haeffb its so beautiful .. jsut the landscape everything about the pre .. the link you just sent is gourgeious .. its like logging into a mac Feb 02 00:49:28 there's a lot of room between your gray and white Feb 02 00:50:27 its so amazing looking Feb 02 00:51:54 what? Feb 02 00:54:28 * DarkdowN grabbed a pixi for $55 yesterday.. hope that wasn't a stupid idea.. :) Feb 02 00:55:39 DarkdowN: were those new in box pixi plus ? pretty good deal if so, I think Feb 02 00:56:35 the part are obviously way more expensive than that, and even if you didn't use it as a phone it's a really handy portable computer Feb 02 00:57:13 even better as a smartphone obviously but just pointing out why it would be a great deal even if you had another phone Feb 02 00:58:27 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow-grey-darker.png darkerrr... ? vs http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-yellow-grey.png ...I can't go much darker Feb 02 00:58:57 destinal, they are new and come with the standard 1 year warranty from HPalm... at least that's what was on the website when my BF bought one on impulse Feb 02 00:59:20 @chuqui Feb 02 00:59:27 are you here? its emergency Feb 02 00:59:39 nyceane: nope but Adora is Feb 02 00:59:41 RagingMind: if I had the cash to spare I would have bought several and given them as gifts Feb 02 01:00:16 beerad thinks the darker one is perfect... hah Feb 02 01:00:32 if I had the cash I would have gotten one for myself as a backup phone, but I don't get paid till friday :( Feb 02 01:01:08 destinal: ya.. Feb 02 01:01:21 * DarkdowN "oops"ie Feb 02 01:01:27 those sirens be going off again.. Feb 02 01:01:33 wtf.. theres like almost no new snow Feb 02 01:02:11 RagingMind: that's what credit cards are for right? /me doh debt sucks.. ;^) Feb 02 01:03:12 actually i couldn't get my cc to work so actually i did pay (out of paypal (el diablo!) balance..) Feb 02 01:03:29 * haeffb bought a pixi+ yesterday as well Feb 02 01:03:47 probably will just stick it in a closet for 20 years, then sell it on ebay Feb 02 01:03:55 are these new or refubs? Feb 02 01:04:04 refurbs* Feb 02 01:04:17 new in box, according to the site, I believe Feb 02 01:04:34 i thought they were new Feb 02 01:04:41 they were on 1saleaday yesterday Feb 02 01:04:45 not bad Feb 02 01:07:42 DarkdowN, that requires being below the limit :-P Feb 02 01:08:57 RagingMind: eek! good point/sorry to hear! Feb 02 01:09:22 someone selling an innocell 1350 for $30 on craigslist.. Feb 02 01:09:37 I haven't managed a real job since graduating college ;) Feb 02 01:10:05 http://www.observer.com/2011/tech/flickr-accidentally-deletes-users-4000-photos-and-cant-get-them-back -- Ouch, flickr deleted some guys account + 4000 photos on accident. Feb 02 01:10:25 used 1 week.. i think it's a good price for that battery, but considering the 2600 is like ~$52 new, seems a little high Feb 02 01:10:26 damn! Feb 02 01:10:45 wonder if backupify supports flickr Feb 02 01:10:59 wonder if engadget will talk about Woz's Pre with him.. Feb 02 01:14:03 I heard Woz was giving some android love Feb 02 01:15:22 mwahaha, snowday tomorrow too Feb 02 01:15:42 RagingMind: hrmm.. considering the pre's not the only one with the tethering now i guess i could see that.. Feb 02 01:16:35 Man, OSX resumes from sleep on my Netbook faster than Windows 7 or Linux did. ;_; Feb 02 01:20:14 ugh wtf.. Feb 02 01:20:22 webos for komodo aint packaging my crap anymore Feb 02 01:24:32 what the hell.. ctrl-c aint killing palm-log Feb 02 01:24:42 wait... that may have been the same old mis-quoted story Feb 02 01:26:19 * DarkdowN notices #android doesn't allow channel-logging.. sometimes feels constrained by channel logging! Feb 02 01:26:39 why? you're embarrassed by what you say? Feb 02 01:28:16 now he drew attention to it! Feb 02 01:30:06 * DarkdowN ducks Feb 02 01:30:55 ugh Feb 02 01:31:06 so the lib works, but the fancy scene isnt working Feb 02 01:31:08 DarkdowN: hah it's not a big deal.. Feb 02 01:31:10 4 hours wrestling with http digest authentication :( Feb 02 01:31:14 wonder if its 2.0 thats causing issues Feb 02 01:31:15 night Feb 02 01:31:45 whaddya'll think about that innocell? I offered him $10, he was't too happy, but $30 for a 1350 battery.. just seems high when amazon has stocks for like ~$4 Feb 02 01:37:36 this.controller.get('webview').mojo.reload(); Feb 02 01:37:39 hey, guys Feb 02 01:37:42 what's wrong with this? Feb 02 01:38:52 eh gtg for now..! Feb 02 01:39:04 adora like the explorer? Feb 02 01:39:35 * DarkdowN wishes the channel had a bot to say witty things when people came in.. oh those were the good ol irc days :) Feb 02 01:40:03 pixi uber-kernel has been really buggy for the past couple days Feb 02 01:40:33 the phone is frickin fast, but begins to lag really bad when having 3+ apps open Feb 02 01:40:57 all i use is pandora, messaging, and somewhat web browser Feb 02 01:41:08 my pre just randomly shuts off.. i think it's getting passed its "use-by date" Feb 02 01:41:34 DarkdowN: dekan, the bot, died. Feb 02 01:41:45 Tibfib: did we mourn? Feb 02 01:42:01 half the people hated him :) Feb 02 01:42:33 we mourned. Feb 02 01:42:44 no we didnt Feb 02 01:42:49 hello Adora Feb 02 01:43:02 halfhalo is not a part of us Feb 02 01:43:22 halfhalo is some separate entity Feb 02 01:43:39 a better one Feb 02 01:43:45 with cookies Feb 02 01:43:48 ohohoho Feb 02 01:43:51 lies! Feb 02 01:43:58 halfhalo has no cookies! Feb 02 01:44:10 their chocolatechip Feb 02 01:44:28 you exaggerate their chocolateness Feb 02 01:44:30 with sprinkles Feb 02 01:45:22 nope! Feb 02 01:45:27 i have fudgy goodness to offert Feb 02 01:45:29 offer* Feb 02 01:45:34 Tibfib: i learned about people (like you?) that discriminate against robots on futurama.. Feb 02 01:45:49 dekan was my friend Feb 02 01:45:53 and on that note..! Feb 02 01:46:07 speaking of dekan, having heard from maik in a while Feb 02 01:46:29 nyceane: .reloadPage(); Feb 02 01:48:37 'evening Adora! Feb 02 01:48:51 moo Feb 02 01:49:00 can we talk about homebrew apps ? Feb 02 01:49:04 cluck Feb 02 01:49:09 yes. yes we can. Feb 02 01:49:26 ok Feb 02 01:49:27 unless you have no mouth Feb 02 01:49:46 no. in that case we cant. Feb 02 01:49:47 im trying to install twee .. i went on precenteral i see the app but it won't let me download the link Feb 02 01:49:54 im registered Feb 02 01:50:20 is twee homebrew? I thought it was an appcat app Feb 02 01:50:27 dunno Feb 02 01:50:39 Tibfib: hmm? Feb 02 01:50:41 http://www.precentral.net/tweefree Feb 02 01:50:44 how do i install it ? Feb 02 01:50:56 maik: Long time no see/hear/chat Feb 02 01:51:15 im re-sending activation email Feb 02 01:51:33 tweefree is not available any more Feb 02 01:52:12 Tibfib: it looks like it was updated Dec 27 Feb 02 01:52:28 something happened in precentral and ALL apps were updated that day Feb 02 01:52:33 macman_: it appears that Precentral's downloads aren't working Feb 02 01:52:37 or nearby Feb 02 01:52:39 oh, yeah. Feb 02 01:52:58 haeffb: check the "availablility" section Feb 02 01:53:16 mmm, brownies are in the oven Feb 02 01:54:05 * haeffb bets that sugardave's brownies are chocolate-ier than halfhalo's cookies Feb 02 01:54:23 * haeffb can't download anything from Precentral Feb 02 01:54:52 wait, now I can Feb 02 01:55:27 where can macman_ download spaz? Feb 02 01:55:42 the man needs a twitter client!!! Feb 02 01:57:06 macman_: install this: http://www.precentral.net/noted Feb 02 01:57:16 http://getspaz.com/builds/webos/ Feb 02 01:57:24 it's not a twitter client, but it's extremely cool. Feb 02 01:57:25 how do you install it ? Feb 02 01:57:33 BOOM Feb 02 01:57:39 BOOM! Feb 02 01:57:40 sources ? Feb 02 01:57:50 http://robertnyman.com/2010/01/11/css-background-transparency-without-affecting-child-elements-through-rgba-and-filters/ works Feb 02 01:57:50 download the .ipk and use palm-install Feb 02 01:58:01 rgb(255, 0 , 0, .2)! Feb 02 01:58:01 lies Feb 02 01:58:04 awesome Feb 02 01:58:45 Tibfib: ya, i idle here but don't get much time to talk lately Feb 02 01:58:47 real work and all Feb 02 01:58:54 work shmork Feb 02 01:59:03 ahem, shmerk* Feb 02 01:59:40 heh Feb 02 01:59:46 rgba Feb 02 01:59:53 maik! Feb 02 01:59:58 haeffb! Feb 02 02:00:00 yes, rgba.. sorry Feb 02 02:00:08 palm-install says my device is not found Feb 02 02:00:08 but that's exactly what I needed Feb 02 02:00:11 wierd my emualtor is up Feb 02 02:00:32 palm-install -d tcp Feb 02 02:00:34 screenshot coming of spaz Feb 02 02:02:21 ipkfetcher is old eh ? Feb 02 02:02:44 macman_: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1552 Feb 02 02:02:53 don't know ipkfetcher Feb 02 02:03:20 Tibfib gave a link above to download spaz, an open source twitter client Feb 02 02:04:47 ok i have noted haeffb whats good about it ? Feb 02 02:05:26 lol. The guy who wrote it is awesome. Feb 02 02:05:34 oh Feb 02 02:05:34 really? I thought he was a drunk? Feb 02 02:05:41 an awesome drunk. Feb 02 02:05:55 haeffb you wrote it ? Feb 02 02:06:13 yeah. Feb 02 02:06:22 cool Feb 02 02:06:22 woops Feb 02 02:09:52 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-mentions-dms.png Feb 02 02:09:56 bam! Feb 02 02:10:22 aww it's sized poorly Feb 02 02:11:56 whats spaz Feb 02 02:12:07 a twitter app Feb 02 02:12:25 how do i access microphone api? Feb 02 02:12:38 it is curently only in 2.0 Feb 02 02:12:42 not public access Feb 02 02:13:57 and i m not allowed to say it under NDA Feb 02 02:15:13 wow this twitter app is aweome Feb 02 02:15:31 i dunno if its the emulator, but i dont think im getting all my js errors.. Feb 02 02:17:01 wow this app is aweome Feb 02 02:17:03 its fast Feb 02 02:18:07 i dont have a twitter /yet/ Feb 02 02:18:17 this thing is awesome Feb 02 02:18:20 macman_: what app? Feb 02 02:18:21 spaz? Feb 02 02:18:27 yea spaz Feb 02 02:18:36 oh well Feb 02 02:18:36 sadly it's not AS fast on device Feb 02 02:18:38 Tibfib: what is the star & envelope? Feb 02 02:18:45 bbtm Feb 02 02:18:48 but once it gets going it is good Feb 02 02:19:07 haeffb: hrmm? Feb 02 02:19:08 given it's twitter, star is favorites, envelopes are DMs Feb 02 02:19:14 oh Feb 02 02:19:15 yeah Feb 02 02:19:21 under the view menu? Feb 02 02:19:21 brb Feb 02 02:19:29 hey is chuq here? Feb 02 02:19:38 nope adora is Feb 02 02:19:48 good god, anyone in the path of that nasty storm in the east? Feb 02 02:19:55 Adora: omgggg, what is the name of your cat? :o Feb 02 02:20:45 mugen[dsktp]: no, but in the path of the nasty storm in the midwest Feb 02 02:21:21 dawm|laptop: make a testing twitter account, srsly~ Feb 02 02:21:32 bite me Feb 02 02:21:33 what's a better mentions background: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-mentions-dms-alt.png or http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-mentions-dms-1.png ? Feb 02 02:21:44 haeffb: where abouts are you? Feb 02 02:21:58 misery Feb 02 02:22:03 dawm|laptop: I wasn't being mean! D: Feb 02 02:22:05 i just looked at chicago, and they're expecting 2-3" an hour Feb 02 02:22:11 i already did ;p Feb 02 02:22:11 that's stupid Feb 02 02:22:17 missouri Feb 02 02:22:19 I was teasing~ :< Feb 02 02:22:28 ll Feb 02 02:22:29 lol Feb 02 02:22:34 oh, that's how you spell it :D Feb 02 02:22:55 soo... if i delete a tweet it doesnt get deleted? wtf Feb 02 02:22:59 Tibfib: dms-1 Feb 02 02:23:12 dawm|laptop: yeah, twitter is basically retarded Feb 02 02:23:16 haeffb: ugh... cold man... cold. Feb 02 02:23:19 SineOt: the yellow overlay? Feb 02 02:23:28 now i really feel dumb Feb 02 02:23:31 Tibfib: no, the other one. Second one you linked Feb 02 02:23:37 gotcha Feb 02 02:23:42 i thought if i deleted it it was gone.. so that if i deleted it quick enough no one would have seen em Feb 02 02:23:42 dawm|laptop: a lot of clients will cache replies... No idea -why- but they do Feb 02 02:23:56 Twitter for Mac is probably the only client that won't do that Feb 02 02:23:59 my phone grabbed em all.. and Feb 02 02:24:09 i havent been on twitter all day in the browser Feb 02 02:24:09 SineOt: alrighty, that's it Feb 02 02:25:11 dawm|laptop: yeah, it's one of the dumber things twitter does... Since generally, deleting it means you want it gone Feb 02 02:25:45 pshaw Feb 02 02:25:50 does not Feb 02 02:26:03 * SineOt deletes all the things that he wants to keep! :U Feb 02 02:26:05 you mean like not confirming my account after ive clicked the stupid link 10 times on 2 different devices/browsers? Feb 02 02:26:33 yeah, that probably is the dumbest thing they do Feb 02 02:27:05 unless the tweet you're deleting is horribly inflammatory and basically full blown trolling! then it can be bad to have it float around after deleting it :p Feb 02 02:27:25 ive confirmed my acct.. why is it still giving me the stupid confirm banner Feb 02 02:28:18 damnit dawm... don't ask... just confirm! Feb 02 02:28:26 would you rather it gave you the fail whale? :D Feb 02 02:28:32 IT NEEDS CONFIRMATION! Feb 02 02:28:53 wow. This bottle of cognac was 12 years old when I bought it 12 years ago. Feb 02 02:29:04 mmmm Feb 02 02:29:09 oh, actually, the dumbest thing twitter does: If you -delete- an account, you still get emailed when people follow it. :B Feb 02 02:29:20 that sounds so good right now haeffb Feb 02 02:29:30 i say twitter is just broke right now Feb 02 02:29:31 SineOt: lol Feb 02 02:29:32 just poured the last of it Feb 02 02:29:44 ive followed people but its not seeing that i did, except on their profile page Feb 02 02:31:10 even killed chrome, still says i need to confirm and not showing tweets from ppl im following.. Feb 02 02:31:16 oh well you can die twitter Feb 02 02:31:17 The snowpocalypse seen from space: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/01/midwest-snowstorm-weather-_n_817070.html?ref=fb&src=sp Feb 02 02:31:32 I really need to speak to Chuqui Feb 02 02:31:34 =| Feb 02 02:31:47 anybody else works at palm? Feb 02 02:31:50 i like the state outlines seen from space Feb 02 02:32:04 haeffb: whoa Feb 02 02:32:29 bpadalino: they had to string a bunch of ropes up really high. Feb 02 02:32:47 hey, question guys Feb 02 02:32:51 haeffb: that's pretty epic Feb 02 02:32:54 why did we all stop supporting WebOS? Feb 02 02:32:56 what's up homies? Feb 02 02:33:00 who's we? Feb 02 02:33:08 nyceane: what do you mean? Feb 02 02:33:21 well, bunch of people just stopped supporting WebOS -_- Feb 02 02:33:33 funkatron! http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-mentions-dms-1.png Feb 02 02:33:34 like why havn't it picked up like Android Feb 02 02:33:34 * mugen[dsktp] looks at the channel list Feb 02 02:33:43 http://www.newser.com/story/111017/facebook-almost-had-a-blue-hedgehog-mascot.html Feb 02 02:33:44 oh that looks *awesome* Feb 02 02:34:10 thanks man! been working on it, beerad and everyone here has been giving feedback Feb 02 02:34:14 nyceane: is this a quiz? do you have an answer? Feb 02 02:34:20 totally looks awesome Feb 02 02:34:30 nyceane: it hasn't picked up like Android because there's one company, with two phones, and not 8 or 9 companies with 75+ phones? q_q Feb 02 02:35:06 Tibfib: why the star and envelope behind the view menu? Feb 02 02:35:19 funkatron: I thought I was man enough, but I'm not Feb 02 02:35:22 haeffb: star is for looks, that's the compose button Feb 02 02:35:37 no, just that i need to answer some questions for editors Feb 02 02:35:53 oh, the envelope with a plus sign? Feb 02 02:35:54 what r we talking about? had to take out the trash... lol Feb 02 02:36:03 haeffb: have you ever used Spaz? those elements are in the original apps Feb 02 02:36:04 err Feb 02 02:36:07 original theme Feb 02 02:36:08 PatrickC_Home: look up Feb 02 02:36:27 ok Feb 02 02:36:38 funkatron: er....no....but I have had it installed for ages. Feb 02 02:36:44 I dont want to bash Palm since they've been treating me pretty good Feb 02 02:37:03 nyceane: questions for editors? Feb 02 02:37:04 Palm lacked the resources to compete with Apple and Google Feb 02 02:37:18 hopefully this will change with HP Feb 02 02:38:42 ok, i see what we are talking about now lol Feb 02 02:38:57 i have refered at least 2 people to webos, and trying to get more everyday Feb 02 02:39:37 Tibfib, funkatron: the screenshot makes it look like the star & envelope are on the background underneath the view menu... Feb 02 02:39:47 nyceane: is this the "emergency" you were talking about? how to answer the question of why people don't support webOS? Feb 02 02:40:10 haeffb: hah, okay Feb 02 02:40:11 haeffb: the star has always floated back there Feb 02 02:40:49 yeah im pretty sure my js is crashing but i get no notification of that (or errors) aside from it just not doing what its supposed to do anymore Feb 02 02:40:49 but, might be worth pulling it out. color-wise it doesn't fit so well Feb 02 02:40:52 the power behind webos, iOS, andriod, etc.. is all linux Feb 02 02:41:07 ... Feb 02 02:41:14 we hold the power and glory of linux in the palm of our hands Feb 02 02:41:15 :3 Feb 02 02:41:27 iOS is not linux Feb 02 02:41:35 but android is Feb 02 02:41:41 i log a message, then theres a function, then another log message, but i only get the 1st log message and then it stalls.. Feb 02 02:41:42 Pretty sure the power behind iOS is, at best, BSD and Nextstep :p Feb 02 02:41:44 iOS is a BSD vairant Feb 02 02:41:45 and android has surpassed ios in users Feb 02 02:41:45 code is sound Feb 02 02:41:55 android is a linux kernel but not gnu/linux like you know and love Feb 02 02:42:08 but, yeah. android is a bit of a weird linux variant Feb 02 02:42:14 Honestly I'd be way worried about Android -not- surpassing iOS in users Feb 02 02:42:14 funkatron: beerad is pleased as punch lol Feb 02 02:42:15 * haeffb runs spaz for the first time... Feb 02 02:42:24 it even uses it's own libc they wrote Feb 02 02:42:27 Tibfib: he does seem rather excited 8D Feb 02 02:42:35 webOS is def the closest to traditional linux distroa Feb 02 02:42:38 a/s Feb 02 02:42:40 but android did surpass ios in users Feb 02 02:42:43 One Company, One Model, versus a ton of companies and a ton of models? If you can't beat that then wtf is wrong with you Feb 02 02:42:49 ill make sure and look up the link Feb 02 02:43:14 android fragmentation and lack of commitment to handsets really turns me off from android Feb 02 02:43:24 dawm|laptop: try/catch? Feb 02 02:43:24 i admire apple and their hardware support for their phones .. Feb 02 02:43:32 http://www.techspot.com/news/41896-android-passes-iphone-in-the-us.html Feb 02 02:43:46 never Feb 02 02:44:51 google did what they said they would do with android... spam the shit out of the market and flood it with a product until it gets good Feb 02 02:44:57 we're just waiting on the "good" Feb 02 02:45:22 but palm only held about 4-5% of all smartphone users :( Feb 02 02:45:31 PatrickC_Home: just remember though, there's 1 Apple, with 1 iPhone and 1 iPod touch versus Motorola, LG, Samsung, etc etc etc with multiple devices each :p Feb 02 02:45:47 webos, hands down, surpasses iOS and Andriod in multi tasking (GUI wise) Feb 02 02:45:48 found it Feb 02 02:46:02 thats trur Feb 02 02:46:02 "cards" interface was a brilliant idea Feb 02 02:46:06 i <3 Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(obj)); Feb 02 02:46:09 so that's why raw usage is kind of pointless Feb 02 02:46:12 and webos owns any os out there (for mobile) Feb 02 02:46:16 takes a bit to narrow it down, but it works ;p Feb 02 02:46:24 mine's better :P Feb 02 02:46:59 funkatron: timeline text height doesn't appear to change anything. Feb 02 02:47:05 sugardave: lol Feb 02 02:47:21 I'd be interested to hear from someone at Palm on how inspired "cards" were from Hypercard Feb 02 02:48:16 brb, time for dinner Feb 02 02:48:36 * haeffb prefers Mojo.Log.info("My object is %j", object); Feb 02 02:48:49 PatrickC_Home: I'll take notes while you're gone. Feb 02 02:49:07 mine does one property/function per line Feb 02 02:49:16 no overloading the console Feb 02 02:49:32 * haeffb uses sugardave's when my objects get real big Feb 02 02:49:47 "That's what she said!!!" Feb 02 02:51:24 yeah, baby Feb 02 02:52:14 Tibfib: nice work on the spaz theming Feb 02 02:52:52 thanks! Feb 02 02:53:47 haeffb Feb 02 02:54:01 nyceane Feb 02 02:54:40 nyceane: why don't you just email chuq? Feb 02 02:54:51 rwhitby, cuz i have to send this in today Feb 02 02:55:13 you should have prepared a bit earlier then ;) Feb 02 02:55:39 rwhitby: are you and derek going to square off over carbon? 10 rounds knockout drag down? Feb 02 02:56:25 haeffb: I was wondering why Derek was getting so personal about it, then I realised he just published an article about it. Feb 02 02:56:45 and heaven forbid someone might have a different opinion about an app to what he publishes on PreCentral Feb 02 02:57:21 take it back!! all the bad things you said!! :( Feb 02 02:57:27 the funny thing is the carbon guys and I are like "yeah, ok, we don't match. good luck it the future" Feb 02 02:58:27 word Feb 02 02:59:04 lol Feb 02 02:59:32 @ derek just posting article Feb 02 02:59:53 i just sent it to him **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 02 02:59:58 2011