**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 04 02:59:57 2011 Feb 04 02:59:58 how would i send a file to the usb partition using cmd prompt Feb 04 03:00:23 fudge-: Use a hex editor and slowly type out each byte in the file Feb 04 03:00:35 lol Feb 04 03:00:50 haeffb_: I get the same random number.. :/ I'll have to try a string later Feb 04 03:00:56 Look on webos101.com. There are instructions for use scp Feb 04 03:01:22 im writing a program to send files to the USB partition without having to put the phone into USB Drive mode Feb 04 03:01:51 That's odd, the Pre 2 isn't showing up as a drive. Feb 04 03:01:53 :P Feb 04 03:01:54 fudge-: is the usb drive mounted on your filesystem? Feb 04 03:02:05 oh, nevermind Feb 04 03:02:12 haeffb_: string fixed it.. what the crap Feb 04 03:02:14 lol ok Feb 04 03:02:19 gonna report that one Feb 04 03:02:39 i just need to figure out how WOSQI sends/recieves files Feb 04 03:02:42 Tibfib: maximum size of an integer...? Feb 04 03:02:52 haeffb_: possibly Feb 04 03:03:00 just weird. Feb 04 03:03:29 but that's good. I can continue working Feb 04 03:04:07 ok lemme rephrase Feb 04 03:04:54 how would i send a file to the usb partition using the terminal. i remember i saw how to do it somewhere a while ago (and im sure Roy-Pre101 is just kidding about byte per byt) Feb 04 03:05:04 :P Feb 04 03:05:23 fudge-: http://ss64.com/bash/ Feb 04 03:05:39 http://ss64.com/bash/mv.html Feb 04 03:05:48 dunno if that's what you mean.... Feb 04 03:06:14 fudge-: As I said: Look on webos101.com and see how to use scp to copy them up. Feb 04 03:09:08 ok got it Feb 04 03:09:11 thanks Feb 04 03:09:47 Tibfib: I kinda wish the arrow to show the playing song summary changed to a down arrow when it was up. Feb 04 03:10:12 everyone's a critic Feb 04 03:10:25 ;) dunno if it's worth it. I'll think about Feb 04 03:10:26 it Feb 04 03:10:45 oh Feb 04 03:10:48 I see what you mean Feb 04 03:10:58 I thought you meant on the list items Feb 04 03:10:59 I can do that Feb 04 03:11:11 it should do that Feb 04 03:22:32 Roy-Pre101: done! got any other ideas? Feb 04 03:22:51 I need to add a transition for the panel coming in.. Feb 04 03:25:37 hahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R55e-uHQna0 Feb 04 03:28:24 volkswagen superbowl commercial. awesome Feb 04 03:29:04 bah Feb 04 03:31:33 Tibfib: Awesome! Feb 04 03:31:36 and cute Feb 04 03:34:38 yeah that's pretty rad Feb 04 03:35:01 halo, is there anything you do like? Feb 04 03:35:23 i'd name off a couple hot girls, but i'm betting you'd bah me :P Feb 04 03:36:57 lol Feb 04 03:37:26 I'm guessing he's bahing the fact that it's a volkswagen Feb 04 03:37:59 bah Feb 04 03:38:07 i can't stand vw, but i think that commercial is pretty good :D Feb 04 03:38:21 yeah, awesome commercial Feb 04 03:38:26 bah Feb 04 03:38:54 halfhalo: if you want to make friends you're going to have to be more friendly Feb 04 03:39:14 i'm gonna buy him a garbage can and garbage can lid hat for xmas Feb 04 03:39:16 bah Feb 04 03:39:34 i've yet to see halo approve Feb 04 03:39:34 haha Feb 04 03:40:03 :] Feb 04 03:40:10 I'm off, goodnight everyone Feb 04 03:40:15 night man Feb 04 03:40:59 Hey all, what's shakin? Feb 04 03:41:13 bah Feb 04 03:42:15 any current Palm devs around? Feb 04 03:43:03 in house, that is Feb 04 03:44:42 figured not. Feb 04 03:46:24 cssblondie: it is 7:45pm in CA Feb 04 03:52:30 halo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGt4s2rxYPk -- 9s 1/4 supra on E85 daily driven w/air... you couldn't possible "bah" that Feb 04 03:53:08 isnt E85 an M3? Feb 04 03:53:39 e46 is last generation Feb 04 03:53:42 e92 is current Feb 04 03:53:48 not sure about the others Feb 04 03:54:19 lol Feb 04 03:54:22 it's a z4 Feb 04 03:54:34 bah supra Feb 04 03:54:35 worst americanized roadster ever Feb 04 03:54:47 you need some detroit muscle halo? Feb 04 03:55:01 halfhalo needs Enyo Feb 04 03:55:02 or something more italian? Feb 04 03:55:08 mmmm italia Feb 04 03:55:19 the things i would do to an italia Feb 04 03:56:18 the SO would be in horrible trouble if i ever had the money for one... i'd be in it, more than--err yeah Feb 04 03:57:03 * mugen[dsktp] goes on a tangent Feb 04 03:57:24 hey mugen[dsktp]! Feb 04 03:57:27 yay sine :D Feb 04 03:57:34 bah humbug! Feb 04 03:57:50 SineOt: i can't make halo happy :( Feb 04 03:57:58 can anyone? :( Feb 04 03:58:04 i don't think so :( Feb 04 03:58:36 * halfhalo is happy when he gets large amounts of cash Feb 04 03:59:10 me too Feb 04 03:59:56 cash really does buy happiness Feb 04 04:00:09 * mugen[dsktp] sighs Feb 04 04:19:26 mugen[dsktp]: I don't believe you. Send me some cash so I can test your hypothesis. Feb 04 05:22:32 hello people! Feb 04 05:23:35 Hi PatrickC_Pre! Feb 04 05:23:45 how's it goin? Feb 04 05:24:19 if I have to blur a certain part of a screen shot, what is the best program to use? Feb 04 05:24:22 in windows Feb 04 05:25:06 Don't blur it. Probably just use paint to put a black box over it. Feb 04 05:25:17 or delete it out of the image. Feb 04 05:25:27 ok Feb 04 05:25:55 that's what I'll do (I have a screenshot of an app with others email addresses in it) Feb 04 05:26:59 argh. Something is making my chat client crash repeatedly. Feb 04 05:27:09 what client? Feb 04 05:27:13 Adium Feb 04 05:27:44 I use xchat on windows Feb 04 05:31:56 just use wirc on the pre/pixi Feb 04 05:38:13 Anyone heading to the event on the 9th? Feb 04 05:40:42 wish I was Feb 04 05:43:33 who here needs an app reviewed? Feb 04 05:50:26 so... no one wants an app reviewed? Feb 04 05:50:30 free :) Feb 04 05:56:59 I guess no one wants their app reviewed lol Feb 04 06:01:30 hay torchie! Feb 04 06:01:40 hey hey Feb 04 06:01:47 how's it goin? Feb 04 06:01:56 eh ok Feb 04 06:02:30 you? Feb 04 06:02:39 * PatrickC_Pre says everyone should visit http://awesomeapps.weebly.com and http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com Feb 04 06:02:46 going good Feb 04 06:03:00 drivers ed tomorrow tho :) Feb 04 06:03:08 oy, learning faster than I! Feb 04 06:03:09 but gotta study :/ Feb 04 06:03:18 what lol Feb 04 06:03:50 still don't have a license lo Feb 04 06:03:51 l Feb 04 06:04:00 nope :( Feb 04 06:04:39 but got another pixi Feb 04 06:04:59 like the 6th or 7th one (I think... I lost count after 4 or 5) Feb 04 06:05:07 lol Feb 04 06:05:12 yea Feb 04 06:05:34 * PatrickC_Pre wants to know if torchie needs an app reviewed ;) Feb 04 06:06:22 I don't have preware on the pixi yet Feb 04 06:06:37 gotta let it finish syncing everything Feb 04 06:07:48 * PatrickC_Pre also needs more writers for his site.. email me @ patrickappcreator@gmail.comif you want to Feb 04 07:43:07 <_azdak> hey yall Feb 04 07:43:10 <_azdak> anybody around? Feb 04 07:43:58 yer Feb 04 07:45:06 <_azdak> hey Feb 04 07:45:10 <_azdak> don't spose you've gotten the google maps api working decently in an app, have ye? Feb 04 07:45:29 I have Feb 04 07:45:37 But not in WebOs but Sencha Feb 04 07:46:25 <_azdak> I've got it up and running fine, it's just reeeeaaal laggy Feb 04 07:47:00 <_azdak> can't quite figure out if it's something I'm doing, or some weird webOS issue Feb 04 07:47:09 html5 or the google map api? Feb 04 07:47:39 <_azdak> api Feb 04 07:49:07 i am thinking about the google map app not api Feb 04 07:49:11 i misspelled Feb 04 07:50:32 <_azdak> not following you Feb 04 07:51:52 WebOS Feb 04 07:52:06 Has a Google Map App Feb 04 07:52:14 <_azdak> oh right Feb 04 07:52:21 Its normally used for gmap stuff Feb 04 07:52:29 and i ask if it is that app or not :D Feb 04 07:54:44 <_azdak> no, I mean the nuts-and-bolts js api implementation Feb 04 07:54:58 <_azdak> anyhow you a sencha person? Feb 04 07:55:50 i am a sencha touch "person" yes Feb 04 07:56:12 but to answer your q, i have not worked with that api and webos Feb 04 07:56:33 but generally webos has alot of problems with api's that work fine on andorid and iphone :( Feb 04 07:57:52 <_azdak> no kidding. I really love the OS, but I swear *nothing* is simple with this thing :/ Feb 04 07:58:36 i think that normal mojo is fine Feb 04 07:58:43 but other api's just suck Feb 04 07:58:51 and it is very sad Feb 04 07:58:58 jqeury mobile fx Feb 04 08:00:06 morning Feb 04 08:00:14 morning swisstomcat Feb 04 08:00:15 <_azdak> hey Feb 04 08:01:03 <_azdak> hey , have you ever used the Google Maps API successfully in an app? Feb 04 08:01:15 yeah Feb 04 08:01:39 <_azdak> was it real... kludgy? Feb 04 08:01:42 at least one of my apps uses it Feb 04 08:02:05 first, i've used the map component in ares Feb 04 08:02:17 but then i figured out how to do it in mojo Feb 04 08:02:36 <_azdak> I've got the thing running fine in mojo, but dragging is almost unusably slow Feb 04 08:04:18 "morning" adora Feb 04 09:19:06 swisstomcat you here? Feb 04 09:19:36 no :) Feb 04 09:20:21 dammit! Feb 04 09:20:41 just kidding Feb 04 09:44:51 * oil had 3 people ask him today what he thought of the iPhone Feb 04 09:45:06 verizon must be pushing it hard Feb 04 09:49:53 hehe Feb 04 09:50:04 what did you answer? iphone .. what's that? Feb 04 09:50:59 what 3 people was that oil? Feb 04 09:51:10 2 people at work and my dad Feb 04 09:51:42 And what was the answer? D: Feb 04 09:55:34 i explained its pros and cons Feb 04 09:56:05 and how did they take it? Feb 04 09:56:56 i dont think it was what they expected Feb 04 09:57:15 i told my dad to wait for the 9th though Feb 04 09:57:21 hehe Feb 04 09:57:47 only a few days more Feb 04 09:59:27 i try not to push anything on people Feb 04 09:59:39 because if they end up getting it and have problems they look at me to fix them Feb 04 10:00:12 so i usually act uninterested when i talk tech to non-techy people Feb 04 10:00:41 or they blame me for their problems :/ Feb 04 10:00:43 oil: same here! Feb 04 10:01:01 I allready have 24/7 support for one with a Pre 2 :S Feb 04 10:01:07 lol Feb 04 10:01:09 it sucks Feb 04 10:01:16 "why does the calender not work!" Feb 04 10:01:33 yeah Feb 04 10:01:41 i hope they fixed that Feb 04 10:01:44 http://xkcd.com/627/ Feb 04 10:01:49 i realy on my calendar Feb 04 10:02:03 lol Feb 04 10:02:25 he had problems with something he entered in hes exchange calender, it showed on he's phone but dit not get updated on the server.. Feb 04 10:03:06 dkirker: lol and correct Feb 04 10:03:30 yeah, i dont understand how people are unable to figure things out Feb 04 10:03:45 someone will bring be something and be like "how do i do this?" Feb 04 10:04:14 having never seen it before, i can figure it out and tell them how Feb 04 10:04:58 many people just remember which steps to do to reach a certain goal Feb 04 10:05:06 if something changes, they're lost Feb 04 10:05:19 and people are afraid to break it Feb 04 10:05:28 buit we just take the risk Feb 04 10:05:36 lol Feb 04 10:05:51 rm -rf / … yah, let's just try it Feb 04 10:06:01 so you're saying its just reckless abandon? Feb 04 10:06:59 oh, and the hover text for that xkcd is the best part :) Feb 04 10:07:39 http://xkcd.com/242/ Feb 04 10:07:56 hehe Feb 04 10:08:04 :D Feb 04 10:08:15 And with that last comic, I *think* I am off to bed :D Feb 04 14:05:31 While uploading an app it was saying the contents of this ipk file are not allowed Feb 04 14:06:00 and there are none of the offending contents in it Feb 04 14:06:26 So does anyone has any idea whats the exaxt prob? Feb 04 14:10:52 are you an early access developer, yatharth? Feb 04 14:59:11 swisstomcat:Yes Feb 04 14:59:24 check the private forum Feb 04 14:59:32 for instructions Feb 04 14:59:38 Ok Feb 04 15:00:41 swisstomcat :Do you have any ideaof running a PDK app on Plam pre? Feb 04 15:01:09 *palm Feb 04 15:01:39 your own? Feb 04 15:02:44 i mean your own pdk app Feb 04 15:02:50 I was trying to Run the simple app Feb 04 15:03:03 doesn't work? Feb 04 15:03:10 but it was not running Feb 04 15:03:30 ya its not working Feb 04 15:04:23 Actually i think it was some problem related to SSH Feb 04 15:05:08 I don't know how to install SSH on my Palm Pre Feb 04 15:06:14 for 1.4.5 it was pdk-device-install or something Feb 04 15:07:29 ya right but i have webos 2.0.1 Feb 04 15:07:46 And its not working with with it Feb 04 15:07:59 interesting Feb 04 15:08:18 and it is showing the error no device found Feb 04 15:11:02 hmm, i don't see any mention of the pre2 in that script Feb 04 15:11:03 odd Feb 04 15:12:38 Yes...It seems the version 2.0.1 is creating the problem Feb 04 15:13:12 there must be some other way out to work with version 2.0.1 Feb 04 15:14:06 i guess the pdk was not updated for 2.0.1 Feb 04 15:14:13 or the pre2 Feb 04 15:14:49 Ohh Really? Feb 04 15:14:58 I dont knoe this Feb 04 15:15:39 are u sure about this? Feb 04 15:16:06 if i look at the pdk-device-install script, i don't see the pre2 Feb 04 15:16:44 Ohkk Thanx man,i dint knew this .. Feb 04 15:17:00 maybe ben knows more (in the forum) Feb 04 15:17:44 ya i have asked him in the forum ,so i m just waiting for his reply only Feb 04 15:36:53 pre2 on verizon in february? seems a tad bit too late Feb 04 15:37:03 does that mean no new phones for a while? Feb 04 15:55:21 I have a feeling that it's not going to be pre2 only Feb 04 15:57:23 pre2 would still make a decent mid level phone for a while Feb 04 15:58:31 I also expect to see mini-phone and giant phone Feb 04 16:05:55 eh pre2 isnt anything special... it will be a great phone for those only looking to drop 100 Feb 04 16:06:24 I am expecting somewhere we will get a mega phone around 199 on contract Feb 04 16:09:39 there needs to be a super-phone, not because that's what people buy, but because the guys who buy that phone are the ones that go around and brag about it, or their the power users that drive app demand Feb 04 16:10:27 yeah Feb 04 16:10:34 superphone,pre2,pixi2 Feb 04 16:10:45 those 3 should make most people happy Feb 04 16:10:54 we'll see .. soon Feb 04 16:12:06 bbl Feb 04 16:32:56 well also because thats what people buy Feb 04 16:33:58 I would like to see them break out the Treo style but with a 4" screen and a better keyboard Feb 04 16:34:16 think the droid pro is it? Feb 04 16:34:20 I forget Feb 04 16:50:44 pre 2 on Verizon February 17. Feb 04 16:55:17 yeah, and/ Feb 04 16:55:58 spreading the word Feb 04 16:56:18 hey Feb 04 16:56:29 I heard the Pre2 is going to be on Verizon the 17th of Februrary Feb 04 16:56:48 thought it would be free at least Feb 04 16:57:03 hahaha Feb 04 16:57:05 nope Feb 04 17:04:26 on the way to work this morning, my car developed an ice block in the fuel line... had to get it towed, fuel line thawed and anti-freeze added to the gas tank. Fun stuff -- just got to work 11:00 ... :-( Feb 04 17:08:46 that sounds really bad Feb 04 17:23:12 * oilsworkn is hoping to switch to pre2 on sprint this evening :) Feb 04 17:23:22 I'm calling them now oil Feb 04 17:23:27 I just got here Feb 04 17:23:30 sweet Feb 04 17:23:45 still wont be able to switch till this evening :) Feb 04 17:36:32 oilsworkn: Did someone get the Pre2 working on Sprint correctly? Feb 04 17:36:56 a few people have Feb 04 17:37:46 my problem has been that my sprint commboard was activated on someone elses account :) Feb 04 17:37:59 thought it was ebay dude, then found out it was on ricks account Feb 04 17:38:11 from the first sprint pre2 attempt at devdays Feb 04 17:38:21 lol Feb 04 17:39:12 oilsworkn: Last I heard it wasn't working with the profiles correctly. But that's been tackled now? Because I'll doctor up my Pre 2 and switch com board if so. Feb 04 17:41:13 i wonder if the pre 2 will be Palm flagship device Feb 04 17:43:54 I don't think they would've let it out so early if it was Feb 04 17:44:10 and by early I mean in france and to developers Feb 04 17:45:58 they could announce some cheap alternative next week. Like a pixi 2 and keep the pre 2 as their flagship. It doesn't make sense but Palm has been making so many bad moves that I wouldn't put it pass them Feb 04 17:47:29 roy-pre101: i thought profiles work now Feb 04 17:47:42 well, ill find out this evening anyways Feb 04 17:48:02 first im going to activate it / sign in with a dev profile to make sure all the parts work Feb 04 17:48:06 evdo/calling/sms/etc Feb 04 17:48:17 rwhitby: That match your understanding? Feb 04 17:48:28 then give my main profile a go Feb 04 17:48:29 he's fast asleep Feb 04 17:48:41 You never know with Rod. :) Feb 04 17:48:45 I thought we were goijng to see some superphone on the 9th Feb 04 17:49:32 Tune in to webOSroundup for live coverage! Feb 04 17:51:59 ron_frown: nobody knows whats going to be there Feb 04 17:52:37 well I certainly hope its not just another tablet Feb 04 17:53:49 and by "just another tablet" you mean "awesome first webos tablet"? Feb 04 17:53:49 :) Feb 04 17:54:27 I think tablets have limited usage in the first place Feb 04 17:54:38 I think getting webos on DECENT hardware for handset would be nicer Feb 04 17:55:00 i would be surprised if they didn't have new phones ready or almost ready to go Feb 04 17:55:19 ron_frown, I feel the same way. My smartphone could do the exact same thing in a portable form Feb 04 17:55:35 dont get me wrong Feb 04 17:55:35 peop Feb 04 17:55:41 le are obviously interesed in tablets Feb 04 17:55:53 but neither the ipad nor the android variants have been hugely interesting to mee Feb 04 17:55:58 honestly Feb 04 17:55:59 t Feb 04 17:56:11 he only one I've seen that looked good was the ms one that was purely conceptual Feb 04 17:56:41 webos needs some applications to go along with decent hardware. I don't know where the app catalog is going. I probably downloaded 2 apps in 2010. One of them was facebook Feb 04 17:56:41 the courior? Feb 04 17:56:54 oil yes Feb 04 17:57:04 only 2 apps? wow Feb 04 17:57:10 the pre's screen is way way way too small and low res Feb 04 17:57:15 the processor is too slow Feb 04 17:57:22 you need to be more adventurous with your downloads Feb 04 17:57:37 and honestly the 1.x webos is... dated in appearance as far as icons and stuff goes Feb 04 17:57:38 ron_frown: the pre is what, 2 years old now? Feb 04 17:57:39 there isn't anything else of interest Feb 04 17:58:04 dated icon appearance? Feb 04 17:58:05 the apps that i want aren't there either Feb 04 17:58:25 I was building apps Feb 04 17:58:25 b Feb 04 17:58:44 but audio video stuf in the sdk was jsut kind of a joke when I was playing with it Feb 04 18:00:40 oil, what could Palm have done different to guarantee application support for the platform? Feb 04 18:00:59 more exciting hardware Feb 04 18:01:08 and better apis etc Feb 04 18:01:17 pulled a microsoft and payed people off? Feb 04 18:01:22 I think palm is actually ahead of the game Feb 04 18:01:28 its just gonna take some catching up Feb 04 18:01:35 ... Feb 04 18:01:36 now that the web is all moving html5+js Feb 04 18:01:45 its a "chicken or the egg" problem Feb 04 18:01:48 They're ahead, they just need to catch up? Feb 04 18:01:57 it needs market share to get devs Feb 04 18:01:58 yeah, they were thinkng the right direction from the get go Feb 04 18:02:03 My head asplode! Feb 04 18:02:03 and it needs apps from the devs to get market share Feb 04 18:02:04 but the hardware sucks big fatty balls Feb 04 18:02:14 comparitively Feb 04 18:02:20 ron_frown just because the web is going html5 means nothing Feb 04 18:02:35 it means you've got a ton more people that can already write apps for it, now. Feb 04 18:02:39 big app houses still have proprietary code bases which they will never bring to html5 Feb 04 18:02:40 that dont even know it Feb 04 18:02:50 those same people have been able to write apps all along Feb 04 18:02:53 Its the big app houses that make the platform Feb 04 18:03:22 CTLAdvance has a sprint pre2, right? Feb 04 18:03:32 dude when you roll out an os like webos on the pre and pixi Feb 04 18:03:36 Hellman really hit it on the head, were missing so many premium apps Feb 04 18:03:36 I mean nobody took it seriously Feb 04 18:03:40 yes I have the sprint pre 2 Feb 04 18:03:48 did your 145 pre profile work? Feb 04 18:03:51 what can I do with it? I can make a glorified addressbook app Feb 04 18:03:53 no Feb 04 18:03:55 roy-pre101 was wondering Feb 04 18:04:00 really? i thought that was fixed Feb 04 18:04:01 anything highly audio/video Feb 04 18:04:02 My main profile is locked out Feb 04 18:04:04 nope Feb 04 18:04:07 I cant log into it anywhere Feb 04 18:04:15 9.9.9 bug? Feb 04 18:04:18 which I actually have to follow up with support about Feb 04 18:04:27 yeah, but I cant log into it in 1.4.5 either Feb 04 18:04:32 huh Feb 04 18:04:40 lots of money down the drain if they dont fix it Feb 04 18:04:47 I think I'll hold out until that's addressed. Feb 04 18:04:55 i thought the way to fix 9.9.9 bug was to doctor 135 onto a pre, use profile, update to 145 Feb 04 18:04:56 What I was wondering Feb 04 18:05:10 I tried it before I installed the rest of the sprint packages Feb 04 18:05:16 ill have to try it again Feb 04 18:05:18 I suppose I could get a t-mobile sim card… Anyone done that? Feb 04 18:05:32 I had one Feb 04 18:05:39 how'd that work? Feb 04 18:05:52 they have a plan where you pay up front and its cheaper than contract Feb 04 18:06:04 worked well, but then I decided I didnt need 2 plans Feb 04 18:06:22 it was pre2 on sprint or bust Feb 04 18:06:32 srsly Feb 04 18:06:35 and I wasnt fond of the epic Feb 04 18:06:45 * oilsworkn is switching tonight if rick was able to deactivate it Feb 04 18:07:00 * CTLAdvance decided that the only current sprint phone which met my criteria was the epic Feb 04 18:07:27 Pre1 and pixi really shouldnt be supported Feb 04 18:07:32 really bad for the user base Feb 04 18:07:39 well, sprint pixi should have never been released without wifi Feb 04 18:07:46 I agree Feb 04 18:09:29 i wonder how much ive spent on apps id have to re-buy if i can't use mah profile Feb 04 18:10:21 well, i think 99% of the apps i usually use are free Feb 04 18:10:47 i got some games i bought, played once, never touched again :/ Feb 04 18:11:21 at least being on 2.0 ill be able to use Tibfib's koto full time for music playing :) Feb 04 18:11:40 instead of just looking at it on a devpre2 i dont carry around Feb 04 18:12:56 brb, lunch Feb 04 18:13:35 I got the evo Feb 04 18:13:59 too big Feb 04 18:14:01 then i got the epic Feb 04 18:16:24 I didn't use the evo for long but it wasn't that big Feb 04 18:16:39 the epic has a 4" screen but lighter than the pre Feb 04 18:19:01 * oilsworkn is webos4ever Feb 04 18:19:24 man my pre kept dying. got tired Feb 04 18:19:37 plus warranty was up and no way I woul dbe paying to fix it Feb 04 18:19:41 dieing? Feb 04 18:20:06 dying Feb 04 18:20:27 or however its spelt, lol Feb 04 18:20:29 keyboard stopped working Feb 04 18:20:32 ah Feb 04 18:20:39 volume button kept freezing Feb 04 18:20:49 touchscreen stopped working Feb 04 18:20:51 * oilsworkn never had such problems Feb 04 18:21:14 the pre2 is what the pre1 should have been Feb 04 18:21:15 its solid Feb 04 18:21:22 and quick Feb 04 18:21:24 the one i have home volume rocker sticks all the time Feb 04 18:21:57 yea I guess. I don't know why webos is so slow Feb 04 18:22:08 webos2 fixes some of that Feb 04 18:23:42 how? Feb 04 18:24:03 the launcher is native, not js/html/css Feb 04 18:24:07 I was looking at some video and it still has those load screens. didn't seem any faster than an overclocked pre Feb 04 18:24:25 well its always going to have those Feb 04 18:24:37 I wonder why Feb 04 18:24:48 thats less of a webos problem, more of app problems Feb 04 18:25:05 I never seen anything load on the epic Feb 04 18:25:13 just opens instantly Feb 04 18:25:52 ok? Feb 04 18:26:33 you said it will always have those load screens. I don't wsee why it should Feb 04 18:27:01 because they show the "card" right when you tap then load the app into it Feb 04 18:27:02 load times are supposed to be dramatically reduced with enyo Feb 04 18:27:03 when i had blackberry things also opened instantly. same with my old winmo phone Feb 04 18:27:21 RagingMind, cool Feb 04 18:27:30 omg blackberry loads apps instantly, lol Feb 04 18:27:43 was it actually instant or did it just show the loading in a different way? Feb 04 18:27:54 blackberry is still relevant? Feb 04 18:28:01 * RagingMind has never used android or blackberry Feb 04 18:28:07 i can't remember. It was my wife's phone. Feb 04 18:28:12 webos used to not show "loading" Feb 04 18:28:18 it just wouldnt show the card until it was loaded Feb 04 18:28:29 showing the card before the app is loaded is a better user experience Feb 04 18:28:33 I had a blackberry once...damned hourglass everywhere Feb 04 18:28:35 because you no longer wonder if you tapped the icon or not/etc Feb 04 18:28:47 Loudergood: that can't be, hellman says its instant! Feb 04 18:28:49 when i got her a pre she complained about the loading and said things opened instant on her blackberry Feb 04 18:29:10 not to mention those devices all savestate Feb 04 18:29:21 instead of true multitasking Feb 04 18:29:27 loading doesnt matter if you only have to open the app once Feb 04 18:29:46 they should add the ability to minimize Feb 04 18:29:54 no they shouldnt Feb 04 18:29:55 lol Feb 04 18:29:57 or savestate Feb 04 18:30:05 no need Feb 04 18:30:25 kind of clogs up the home screen with open apps Feb 04 18:30:35 its where your apps are Feb 04 18:30:39 there is no "home screen" Feb 04 18:30:42 there is your deck of cards Feb 04 18:31:16 sometimes i wich i could hide it. Some people create these clear cards to hide it but that didn't work Feb 04 18:31:36 brb, gotta actually work, a little tired of feeding hte troll Feb 04 18:31:51 how is that even trolling? Feb 04 18:32:28 lmao Feb 04 18:36:09 I guess you can't express your opinion here Feb 04 18:36:17 no, feel free Feb 04 18:41:44 I think you can. but ultimately, do you like the other phone better? cool. not much more needs to be said. Feb 04 18:42:36 lol Feb 04 18:43:05 wasn't talking about the other phone. Feb 04 18:43:19 was really speaking about the way the webos software works Feb 04 18:43:33 it's pretty good but to me i thas some flaws Feb 04 18:44:13 not being able to keep an app running without it being on the home screen was one of them Feb 04 18:51:24 * mugen[dsktp] listens to the crickets chirp Feb 04 18:52:57 * oilsworkn walks around trying to find the cricket so he can kill it but it stops chirping whenever he gets close Feb 04 18:52:58 * oilsworkn gives up Feb 04 18:53:28 i love that game Feb 04 18:53:30 i usually win :D Feb 04 18:53:48 i'm an anti-cricket ninja Feb 04 18:54:01 i was trying to sleep in this hotel with a cricket once Feb 04 18:54:06 it was like, in the wall Feb 04 18:54:09 couldn't stop it Feb 04 18:54:34 hehe Feb 04 18:54:52 god i need some motivation for today Feb 04 18:55:12 i have so much paperwork to be doing, errands to run, and people to see... but i'm stuck reading /. Feb 04 18:55:27 * oilsworkn sticks branding iron in the fire to warm it up for later motivation of mugen Feb 04 18:55:57 why does motivation have to hurt? :( Feb 04 18:56:02 hellman, there are apps that stay open without cards, they go down into the notification dock, but the app has to be designed that way Feb 04 18:56:03 lol Feb 04 18:56:24 RAGING! SSSHHHH! Feb 04 18:56:41 RagingMind, I know but very few that did Feb 04 18:57:15 every single IM client I tried couldn't do it. Developers said it couldn't be done Feb 04 18:57:28 pre-hybrid/node Feb 04 18:57:50 "Super Mario coming to the 3DS" --- is /. serious? Feb 04 18:57:54 this is news? Feb 04 18:58:13 for nerds? Feb 04 18:58:15 if it's original super mario... hell yes! Feb 04 18:58:26 meh Feb 04 18:58:28 3 was the best Feb 04 18:58:38 right now it's a bit of a pain to play because my NES is packed away in a stack of boxes Feb 04 18:59:00 nono... but seriously. when has nintendo EVER released a console without a mario game :P Feb 04 18:59:08 the mario games on NES are amazingly hard when drunk Feb 04 18:59:13 lol Feb 04 18:59:35 normally it's a new mario game, I'd rather be able to play some of the old classics Feb 04 18:59:39 i'm having the hardest time getting through NSMB sober :P Feb 04 18:59:54 this IM bitching seems familiar... Feb 04 19:01:06 sugardaves bitching about im bitching seems familiar Feb 04 19:01:17 it happens daily Feb 04 19:01:19 it's a vicious cycle Feb 04 19:01:45 how about battery life bitching? what's the frequency on that? Feb 04 19:01:52 hourlu Feb 04 19:01:54 hourly Feb 04 19:02:00 until we run out of power Feb 04 19:02:02 idk, my batt lasts all day Feb 04 19:02:10 mine don't Feb 04 19:02:15 but I just use the ts a lot Feb 04 19:02:16 sugardave was bitching though almost every 30 seconds as his power was out the other day Feb 04 19:02:16 ;) Feb 04 19:02:18 carry a second one Feb 04 19:02:24 has anyone bitched in the last hour, or is it my turn? ;) Feb 04 19:02:26 in the "little" picket Feb 04 19:02:27 I carry 4 batts Feb 04 19:02:34 pocket Feb 04 19:02:45 really? Feb 04 19:02:51 whatever for? Feb 04 19:02:56 you know Feb 04 19:03:01 so I have power when one runs out Feb 04 19:03:02 my battery is fine... but I want irc I have to carry a charger with me :( Feb 04 19:03:19 if I want to use data, extra bats are a must Feb 04 19:03:27 if im not doing that the battery will go all day Feb 04 19:03:33 must be that horribly inefficient wirc eating all your battery Feb 04 19:03:45 i carry around a hamster in a wheel, it powers my battery and all i have to do is carry around hamster food Feb 04 19:03:47 lol, just horrible anything that uses 3g Feb 04 19:03:55 i have unlimited power Feb 04 19:03:59 lol Feb 04 19:04:04 photoelectric paint Feb 04 19:04:10 yes but you also carry waste with you all the time Feb 04 19:04:17 yes... Feb 04 19:04:20 do you have an adequate waste disposla policy Feb 04 19:04:22 but unlimited pre+ power Feb 04 19:04:29 no :( Feb 04 19:04:37 so on CDMA/EVDO will I get extra battery if I somehow tell the phone to only do 1x? (like turning off 3G on iPhone) Feb 04 19:04:41 ill give you a dollar to eat it Feb 04 19:04:46 lol Feb 04 19:04:53 no raging Feb 04 19:05:06 You need wifi to get extra battery using data Feb 04 19:05:09 3g is horrible Feb 04 19:05:12 same with 1x Feb 04 19:05:13 overclock it Feb 04 19:05:17 yeah Feb 04 19:05:22 and run it in the sun Feb 04 19:05:26 but wirc doesn't hold a connection when my phone sleeps on wifi :( Feb 04 19:05:36 really? Feb 04 19:05:40 hmm thats not good Feb 04 19:05:42 bug? Feb 04 19:05:44 I Feb 04 19:05:46 B Feb 04 19:05:47 l Feb 04 19:05:48 a Feb 04 19:05:48 * mugen[dsktp] blames oil Feb 04 19:05:49 * oilsworkn never has that problem Feb 04 19:05:50 m Feb 04 19:05:51 and I've tried the setting to keep wifi on when the phone sleeps Feb 04 19:05:51 e Feb 04 19:05:53 oil Feb 04 19:05:55 lol Feb 04 19:06:00 no, that connection stuff is all puffy Feb 04 19:06:06 :) Feb 04 19:06:06 nuh uh Feb 04 19:06:11 he does the plugin Feb 04 19:06:13 he's never around Feb 04 19:06:20 * CTLAdvance blames puffy, as hes puffed to much dragon Feb 04 19:06:21 exactly Feb 04 19:06:26 so... we don't get to blame oil? I feel cheated Feb 04 19:06:26 lol Feb 04 19:06:34 RagingMind: i know :( Feb 04 19:06:43 oil can only be blamed if there isnt a pothead to blame Feb 04 19:06:43 its only oils fault once out of like a hundred blames Feb 04 19:06:49 ie puff the magic Feb 04 19:07:04 oil you have the wrong Feb 04 19:07:14 its only once not oils fault out of every 100 blames Feb 04 19:07:25 psh Feb 04 19:07:27 exactly Feb 04 19:07:29 like last night Feb 04 19:07:36 girl was bitching cause i forgot the milk Feb 04 19:07:40 * mugen[dsktp] blamed oil Feb 04 19:07:49 ... Feb 04 19:07:59 dear god it's the grouch Feb 04 19:08:06 HAHA Feb 04 19:08:14 mugen[dsktp], it'd be interesting to figure out a way to actually link that to oil Feb 04 19:08:20 lol Feb 04 19:08:27 i dont make a shopping list app Feb 04 19:08:33 EXACTLY Feb 04 19:08:35 but if i did, it would remove and add random things all the time Feb 04 19:08:36 BAM Feb 04 19:08:40 like if wirc distracted you too much Feb 04 19:09:05 yeah, i was too busy multitasking my channels Feb 04 19:09:11 like, milk would go away, and be replaced with a carton of the golden fish Feb 04 19:09:48 oilsworkn, if you write an app like that I'd install it on my bf's phone... that'd be hilarious ;) Feb 04 19:10:05 i like that idea Feb 04 19:10:41 and it would ALWAYS add bacon to the list Feb 04 19:10:45 mmm Feb 04 19:11:11 mmm bacon Feb 04 19:11:43 god i'm so hungry Feb 04 19:11:50 * mugen[dsktp] eats his keyboard Feb 04 19:12:02 and on the 14th of every month it adds a tomcat to the list Feb 04 19:12:32 no, its gotta be really subtle Feb 04 19:12:49 so people start to think its awesome and trust it Feb 04 19:12:55 right before it zings em Feb 04 19:13:11 random things once a month is kinda subtle Feb 04 19:13:12 and they show up with a gallon of mayo Feb 04 19:13:13 lol Feb 04 19:13:31 olives! one of those huge cans Feb 04 19:13:50 * halfhalo is going to tommies for food Feb 04 19:14:08 I need to go get my paycheck so I can afford food Feb 04 19:14:09 i hate you Feb 04 19:14:44 amen to that raging Feb 04 19:14:57 onforce is taking their sweet ass time with my wire Feb 04 19:14:58 so... Feb 04 19:15:11 I still need a bluetooth keyboard Feb 04 19:15:29 why? Feb 04 19:15:34 for your pre? or something else? Feb 04 19:16:18 I want a bluetooth mouse for my lappy, but they are way too $$ compared to decent non-bluetooth wireless models Feb 04 19:16:42 as someone who has had both Feb 04 19:16:47 non-bluetooth is easier Feb 04 19:16:49 it "just works" Feb 04 19:16:58 doesnt need pairing or security codes, or any of that junk to work Feb 04 19:17:20 my netbook only has 2 usbports and I don't what to have to carry a hub Feb 04 19:17:39 you already use both ? Feb 04 19:17:42 so right now I have my pre and mouse plugged in, but that doesn't leave a space for my cd drive Feb 04 19:18:05 * oilsworkn has logitech mx revolution on his pc, and vx revolution on his lappy Feb 04 19:18:10 For my pre Feb 04 19:18:30 I just set myself up so I can work really efficiently from anywhere... Feb 04 19:18:33 TO THE CLOUD Feb 04 19:18:38 lol Feb 04 19:18:59 Swap out some lolly gagging swap in some output Feb 04 19:19:35 RagingMind: do you need the pre and the cd drive at the same time Feb 04 19:19:36 ? Feb 04 19:19:58 ugh yeah bt mouse is bad Feb 04 19:20:10 I like these new microsoft mice with the blue track laser Feb 04 19:20:16 work really well Feb 04 19:21:10 This nokia going wp7 rumor is very interesting Feb 04 19:21:21 hey rick-work did it work? Feb 04 19:21:47 when I want to charge my pre and watch need to put in a data disc, but I'm already using my mouse Feb 04 19:22:17 sounds like bt mouse or hub are your only options Feb 04 19:22:35 or get a laptop with more usb ports Feb 04 19:22:40 or a laptop with a disc drive Feb 04 19:22:41 heh, yeah... Feb 04 19:22:51 I want a Lenovo U260 Feb 04 19:22:55 SO pretty! Feb 04 19:22:58 halfhalo has like 30 laptops Feb 04 19:23:04 just borrow one of his Feb 04 19:23:24 Yeah I have laptops filling tupperwares Feb 04 19:23:28 I have an old think pad, but I haven't figured out how to fix it yet Feb 04 19:23:34 * oilsworkn has mental image of halfhalo standing next to a tower of stacked laptops saying "my precioussssss" Feb 04 19:23:38 I probably have close to 70 old laptops Feb 04 19:23:52 and about 20 old towers Feb 04 19:24:15 I had to get rid of a lot of stuff 2 moves ago, so my collection of hardware is pitiful at the moment Feb 04 19:24:18 though my prized tower is an old 32/64mhz system with a turbo button Feb 04 19:24:37 evening Feb 04 19:24:43 I used to do IT work a long time ago and gave people a dicount for old systems to recycle the parts Feb 04 19:25:06 I have alot of gutted systems Feb 04 19:25:07 :/ Feb 04 19:25:11 oilsworkn I have a pic of a tower of my laptops... Feb 04 19:28:01 * oilsworkn demands to see it Feb 04 19:31:46 good ol' turbo button Feb 04 19:31:59 sigh .. i feel old Feb 04 19:32:03 the turbo button Feb 04 19:32:08 lol Feb 04 19:32:10 and 5.25" floppies Feb 04 19:32:15 * oilsworkn has a case somewhere with the turbo button Feb 04 19:32:21 booting dos 2.11 from them Feb 04 19:32:26 and a paddle switch for power Feb 04 19:32:36 those were awesome Feb 04 19:33:03 486sx without the coprocessor Feb 04 19:33:03 back in AT days Feb 04 19:33:21 swisstomcat: you missed our remeniscent chat the other night Feb 04 19:33:24 or 386dx with overdrive or something Feb 04 19:33:31 yes, this does feel like a rerun Feb 04 19:33:35 heh Feb 04 19:33:42 probably the one where george is an idiot Feb 04 19:33:51 i was talking about wfw 3.11 and one of the younger members was all... "huh?" Feb 04 19:33:57 made me feel ancient :( Feb 04 19:34:00 yeah Feb 04 19:34:01 and i'm only 28 Feb 04 19:34:11 omg old man! Feb 04 19:34:14 lol Feb 04 19:34:16 :P Feb 04 19:34:21 i'm 37 *omg* Feb 04 19:34:26 * oilsworkn faints Feb 04 19:34:29 now get off my lawn :) Feb 04 19:34:32 lol Feb 04 19:34:32 lol Feb 04 19:34:37 I still have win31 on a set of disks somewhere Feb 04 19:34:50 "insert disk 12 of 32 Feb 04 19:34:58 i once installed os/2 2.1 from 30 or something 3.5" floppies Feb 04 19:35:07 though the floppy drive in my tower doesn't work. (nor does the card reader thing it's attached too... POS) Feb 04 19:35:11 i was talking about remembering when downloading the demo for Doom was 4x1.44mB and it'd take forever on my 14.4 USR Feb 04 19:35:23 swisstomcat: hell yes! Feb 04 19:35:28 get off my lawn .. my first modem was a 1200 one Feb 04 19:35:39 my first was a 2400 hayes :P Feb 04 19:35:54 oldest dos version used? 2.11 Feb 04 19:35:54 * oilsworkn remembers it taking days to download stuff over crappy dialup Feb 04 19:36:31 dos: 3.0 i think Feb 04 19:36:42 when they brought in support for larger disks or whatever Feb 04 19:37:00 like harddisks? Feb 04 19:37:22 yeah... 2 allowed up to 10MB or something, then 3.0 went to something higher Feb 04 19:37:48 how much did your first MB ram cost you? Feb 04 19:37:53 first pc just had 2 5.25" floppies Feb 04 19:38:19 i remember when i bought 32mb ram for 1200 bucks Feb 04 19:38:35 or 64kb for 120 or so Feb 04 19:39:03 yeah, my first build was a 4MB beast... paid $320 for the mem Feb 04 19:39:17 One of the greatest nerd moments of my life was booting up Win95 for the first time and beginning to play around. Twas magical. And that Weezer video on the install CD? whoa. VIDEO ON MY COMPUTER! Feb 04 19:39:18 I just paid $20 for 1 GB Feb 04 19:39:22 spent hours trying to tweak boot disks to free up conv mem for games Feb 04 19:39:32 good old times :) Feb 04 19:39:37 lol Feb 04 19:39:57 or the old school BBS times Feb 04 19:39:57 these days we have 16gb storage, 1ghz processor and 512mb of ram in our PHONE Feb 04 19:40:14 to get back on topic :) Feb 04 19:40:18 lol... Feb 04 19:40:32 it seems almost excessive considering how slow it was 15 years ago Feb 04 19:40:37 and we write applications with a language made for websites? i my days you used assembler Feb 04 19:40:56 im sorry Feb 04 19:40:58 the youth these days Feb 04 19:41:01 i never touched asm Feb 04 19:41:06 my first programming language was LOGO Feb 04 19:41:07 i was always scared of it Feb 04 19:41:08 FTW Feb 04 19:41:18 BASIC Feb 04 19:41:19 in like 4th or 5th grade Feb 04 19:41:44 moving the turtle Feb 04 19:41:47 lol Feb 04 19:41:49 what is it, pen down Feb 04 19:41:50 basic, turbo basic Feb 04 19:41:54 pascal, turbo pascal Feb 04 19:41:55 move 20 Feb 04 19:41:59 right 90 Feb 04 19:42:00 move 20 Feb 04 19:42:05 omg, part of a square! Feb 04 19:42:25 * oilsworkn should make LOGO for webOs Feb 04 19:42:29 well, actually first language was whatever I did my Commodore 64 programming in. Guessing that was assembler. I was 8 and just typed in whatever the magazine said. That shit made no sense at the time. Feb 04 19:42:43 who remembers this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSt_qgwl8Vk Feb 04 19:43:00 * mugen[dsktp] raises a hand Feb 04 19:43:07 oilsworkn: i would <3 you forever Feb 04 19:43:09 a basic interpreter would actually be awesome. I know people with old BASIC games and other custom programs Feb 04 19:43:12 that was a sad day when warp died Feb 04 19:43:24 we still have a machine here at work runing os2 Feb 04 19:43:25 dgathright, that was basic Feb 04 19:43:34 the voicemail system Feb 04 19:43:35 good to know Feb 04 19:43:45 "if it ain't broke ..." Feb 04 19:43:52 it has broken before Feb 04 19:43:56 no one asked you Feb 04 19:43:57 lol Feb 04 19:43:58 :D Feb 04 19:43:59 last year i had someone come up to the webos-internals stand with os/2 on his laptop! Feb 04 19:44:09 nice Feb 04 19:44:16 I used a commodore 64 book to learn basic on the tandy I had... a few things just didn't work, heh Feb 04 19:44:24 was he wondering why novacom wouldn't install? Feb 04 19:44:28 i was like "dude, that horse has been dead for ages" Feb 04 19:44:47 so who wants to collaborate on LOGO4webOS with oil? Feb 04 19:45:16 * oilsworkn hears crickets Feb 04 19:45:23 lol Feb 04 19:45:41 haha Feb 04 19:45:53 okay, so any car people here...? Feb 04 19:46:02 i drive a car Feb 04 19:46:06 enthusiasts Feb 04 19:46:07 does that make me car people? Feb 04 19:46:09 oh Feb 04 19:46:14 yeah, not me Feb 04 19:46:28 lol Feb 04 19:46:40 know what a bugatti veyron is? Feb 04 19:46:58 yes Feb 04 19:47:05 k... know what a nissan gtr is? Feb 04 19:47:10 yes Feb 04 19:47:19 * oilsworkn has played many car video games Feb 04 19:47:20 lol Feb 04 19:47:28 okay... that's fine Feb 04 19:47:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YI9ioi_5c0&feature=related Feb 04 19:47:56 for the life of me... i don't understand. Feb 04 19:48:00 aw, no speakers at work Feb 04 19:49:05 you really don't need them Feb 04 19:49:11 it kinda speaks for itself Feb 04 19:49:15 lol Feb 04 19:49:37 * oilsworkn is not enough of a car person to want to watch a video of other people driving them Feb 04 19:50:14 im going to assume the perceived slower car wins the race? Feb 04 19:50:27 lol... yeah Feb 04 19:50:27 assuming its a video of a race that is Feb 04 19:50:40 car people: predictable! Feb 04 19:50:41 xD Feb 04 19:50:41 * mugen[dsktp] loves HP Feb 04 19:50:51 * mugen[dsktp] loves power/weight Feb 04 19:51:17 here i thought you meant Hewlett-Packard for a second Feb 04 19:51:24 lol Feb 04 19:51:34 :X Feb 04 19:51:41 * mugen[dsktp] loves Palm Feb 04 19:51:55 * mugen[dsktp] hasn't decided on the Hewlett-Packard thing yet... Feb 04 19:52:07 5d and i'll let you know Feb 04 19:52:30 lol Feb 04 19:52:33 webos printers! Feb 04 19:52:34 yay Feb 04 19:52:41 sugardave: you suck Feb 04 19:54:35 o.O Feb 04 19:54:42 you just lashing out, or what? Feb 04 19:55:11 http://twitter.com/#!/sugar_dave/status/33613719065858048 Feb 04 19:55:24 haha Feb 04 19:55:58 LOL Feb 04 19:56:11 * mugen[dsktp] re-tweets Feb 04 19:56:17 at least its just an image and not an app or anything Feb 04 19:56:23 and now i realize i shouldn't have said that Feb 04 19:56:28 heh Feb 04 19:56:49 ...the question is would people PAY for that app Feb 04 19:56:53 no Feb 04 19:56:55 definately not Feb 04 19:57:10 a dollar if it went to wirc development? sure Feb 04 19:57:17 i dunno... if people are willing to sink 99c into an app that counts down doomsday 2012... Feb 04 19:57:21 if you told them that each purchase would add to the karmix retribution that is coming for all that is oil's fault.... Feb 04 19:57:24 maybe Feb 04 19:57:42 but I'd want to be able to replace oil with other people (default should totally be oil) Feb 04 19:57:54 * oilsworkn goes to lunch before this gets worse Feb 04 19:57:58 but I guess a lot of people that didn't know oil is a dev... would take it differently Feb 04 19:58:13 it's like an onion Feb 04 19:59:07 onion? Feb 04 19:59:49 you know Feb 04 19:59:50 layers Feb 04 20:01:16 mmm did someone say printe Feb 04 20:01:17 r Feb 04 20:11:44 How can I get the length/height of a list in pixels, not the number of items like getLength() gives? Feb 04 20:15:20 twbbas: if all the rows are the same height, count the rows and multiply by the row height Feb 04 20:15:59 All the rows will not be a specific height Feb 04 20:16:10 They will be different heights Feb 04 20:16:26 then you could walk each element and get its height, add them together Feb 04 20:16:42 How can I get the height of each row? I couldn't find it anywhere Feb 04 20:17:06 doesn't the element have .innerHeight or .height property? Feb 04 20:17:50 Do you mean the #{title} in the itemTemplate.html file? Feb 04 20:18:05 * haeffb_pre blames oil Feb 04 20:19:33 twbbas: no, it would be each div with .palm-row class, I think Feb 04 20:19:53 * halfhalo is homes finally Feb 04 20:20:42 sugardave: One last question. How can I "walk" each element? Feb 04 20:21:04 http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-compaq/409825-hps-ridiculous-shipment-packaging.html -- hahaha Feb 04 20:21:33 * halfhalo is on that forum way to much Feb 04 20:21:42 twbbas: like you can iterate through the items array of your list model and "get" the rows of those elements in the Mojo way Feb 04 20:22:32 Alright, I'll try that. Thanks. Feb 04 20:26:37 hmmm... att pre plus is free after activation at fry's... Feb 04 20:27:51 halfhalo: wasnt HP offering it with credit Feb 04 20:27:58 no idea Feb 04 20:30:31 nah, $0 with free next day air Feb 04 20:40:14 what.... the... hell... Feb 04 20:43:44 hay guys! Feb 04 20:55:34 anyone need an app reviewed? Feb 04 21:42:28 OMG! OMG! The speaker "popped"!! :D Feb 04 21:43:19 this might actually be a #webos-internals thing now... Feb 04 21:53:11 it popped? Feb 04 21:53:25 meh, it was just pulseaudio restarting :/ Feb 04 21:53:32 I crashed pulseaudio Feb 04 21:53:43 what have you been trying to do? Feb 04 22:00:51 hack alsa so that it works for a PDK app. Feb 04 22:01:08 it is for a homebrew app Feb 05 00:30:11 hello? Feb 05 00:30:50 howdy SineOt, everyone Feb 05 00:41:26 i met dave chapelle on my way to lunch Feb 05 00:42:22 nyceane, got an email from mike, about to send my reply now Feb 05 00:44:34 nyceane: LA? Feb 05 00:45:27 Yeah, I just sent my reply, heh Feb 05 00:45:31 Big long winded thing :p Feb 05 00:46:13 lolz Feb 05 00:46:43 dawm_: I'm way curious to read your response Feb 05 00:46:50 you can read mine if you want :p Feb 05 00:48:31 dohtem, SF Feb 05 00:48:43 dawm_ just dont bash Palm too bad lol Feb 05 00:48:53 lol why would i do that? i <3 my pre Feb 05 00:49:29 Yeah, haha. I mostly just said "lots of people have had unrealistic expectations of what a company the size of Palm could do with the budgets they had, things will change under HP" :p Feb 05 00:49:39 nyceane: friend of mine bumped into him getting coffee a few years ago, said he was real cool and down to earth Feb 05 00:50:02 he was Feb 05 00:51:22 dawm_: can I read your answers when you're done?~ Feb 05 00:52:07 yeh sure Feb 05 00:52:14 can you guys send me your answers? Feb 05 00:52:16 i sent you guys mine =P Feb 05 00:52:35 just want to see some other people's opinions before its taking of context Feb 05 00:54:03 what are you guys responding to? Feb 05 00:54:24 nothing Feb 05 00:54:51 we are responding to chuq and give him a valentine's surprise cards Feb 05 00:55:04 3 of us are pretending to be 3 teenage girls who's in love with palm Feb 05 00:56:55 lol Feb 05 01:11:55 i still havent gotten my tax forms from hp =/ Feb 05 01:12:18 me either =| Feb 05 01:12:23 but I know how much I made so Feb 05 01:12:30 well, I did it under my LLC Feb 05 01:12:51 yeh i need to do mine so i can get my LLC ;p Feb 05 01:13:50 I made a lot of money last month =| Feb 05 01:14:03 I made... uh... some stars I guess Feb 05 01:31:24 hay guys Feb 05 01:31:26 whats up? Feb 05 01:31:31 hey, not much Feb 05 01:31:51 cool. need any apps that need a review? lol Feb 05 01:32:25 if you want to review Squish Remote for Boxee ß that'd be cool. :p I'd love input on what you'd like to see changed Feb 05 01:33:21 well, I haven't gotten Boxee installed on my desktop yet, so I couldn't give a honest review of it yet... lol Feb 05 01:34:59 you should install Boxee ;p Feb 05 01:35:36 well, i installed it, but haven't run it when the computer is on the internet Feb 05 01:35:55 the one time i tried to run it, my pre didn't like my computer, so it wouldnt give it an internet connection Feb 05 01:36:42 ah Feb 05 01:36:50 yep... Feb 05 01:37:03 wanna be a writer for an up-and-comming tech blog/app review site? Feb 05 01:37:29 do I have to buy the apps myself? :p Feb 05 01:37:56 SineOtter, your email was great, i dont even want to write one cause mine is gonna suck balls in comparison Feb 05 01:38:09 every paid app that i have reviewed, the developer has sent me the app via ipk Feb 05 01:38:19 so most of the time, no but sometimes yes Feb 05 01:38:30 do you have any other devices besides a webos device? Feb 05 01:38:58 No, just a couple webOS devices :] Feb 05 01:39:06 dawm_: oh come on, it can't be that bad Feb 05 01:39:09 thats fine too. so wanna be a writer? Feb 05 01:39:17 sure! Feb 05 01:39:18 http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com Feb 05 01:39:57 SineOtter, you should be a writer. unless that email was a one off fluke :P Feb 05 01:40:09 I write a lot, so I doubt it's a fluke :p Feb 05 01:40:16 I don't heh Feb 05 01:40:21 hehe Feb 05 01:40:37 yeah I've done some PR stuff for projects in the past... What fun :p Feb 05 01:40:54 still waiting on twitter to approve/deny my xauth access for xTwitter sample app. Once i have that ill be tossing xTwitter on github Feb 05 01:41:41 Project had a developer on it who took everything as being a direct insult on his person and would fight it tooth and nail e_e Feb 05 01:41:55 spoiler: do not do that, people will hate you Feb 05 01:42:32 i read the rest of that forum thread you sent me.. that guy wasnt too keen on hearing his apps sucked thats why sales sucked Feb 05 01:45:04 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/its-go-time-final-round-of-the-laptop-mag-poll-webos-vs-wp7-vote/ Feb 05 01:45:06 go vote Feb 05 01:45:10 we cannot lose to winblows Feb 05 01:45:22 51.15% vs 48.85% Feb 05 01:45:32 ok, i am finishing updating the writers page (got a new writer at about 1:30 AM) Feb 05 01:45:44 once i finish that up, i will send u an invite Feb 05 01:45:56 i need ur email to send u an invite Feb 05 01:46:01 u can pm it to me if u want Feb 05 01:47:07 i love that everytime i goto appSpotlight, one of my apps always appears in the icon drop Feb 05 01:47:44 want one of them reviewed? lol Feb 05 01:48:25 its always the my coke rewards one, which really only adds cap codes to your MCR acct. its beautiful tho but not much functionality past that Feb 05 01:48:32 dawm_: yeah, the more I read of that thread and the other threads he's done, it's kind of changed my opinion on the whole thing Feb 05 01:48:39 lol Feb 05 01:48:58 if you make apps that suck (both the free and paid) no ones gonna buy it Feb 05 01:49:08 yeah basically Feb 05 01:49:29 omg Feb 05 01:49:31 worms ! Feb 05 01:49:35 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ea.app.worms.pre.na.efigs Feb 05 01:50:03 i saw worms in preware today Feb 05 01:54:37 anyone want an app reviewed? (the review will go on http://howsmyapp.com Feb 05 02:55:04 I was told this is where the cool people are... soo.. hi :D Feb 05 02:55:18 duh Feb 05 02:55:30 adora is here from time to time if that helps :P Feb 05 02:55:42 oneat. Feb 05 02:56:15 almost anybody thats anybody comes here Feb 05 02:56:41 dayummm, haha. I guess I was missing out.. although it kindof seems quite.. :P Feb 05 02:56:53 it gets that way at times Feb 05 02:57:01 everyones in different zones Feb 05 02:57:06 ah, good point. Feb 05 02:57:13 or busy writing Feb 05 02:57:15 kwell, imma work on Voogle2 :P Feb 05 02:59:32 im here :) Feb 05 02:59:47 * PatrickC_Home and is looking for more writers for his blog **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 05 02:59:57 2011