**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 13 02:59:56 2011 Feb 13 02:59:59 haeffb: next time you're in manhattan we should go to lunch or something Feb 13 03:00:01 Tibfib: I like the scotch tape effect on the pic Feb 13 03:00:38 it has functions for all the form things i need like textbox and the like and then renders it for me Feb 13 03:00:54 and also parses it Feb 13 03:00:55 Ok, but you'll probably have to meet me in some field at Tuttle Creek...days are spent a huntin' Feb 13 03:01:10 haha that's fine Feb 13 03:03:20 Tibfib, it was a good idea, and worth the credit cause i didnt even think about it ;P Feb 13 03:05:52 komodo really sucks for editing markdown files.. it totally nukes trailing spaces.. Feb 13 03:07:47 use nod32 Feb 13 03:07:50 oh wait Feb 13 03:07:52 nvm lol Feb 13 03:08:08 i thohught you were refering to the antivirus Feb 13 03:08:13 lol Feb 13 03:09:48 i really wish carbon would add an account panel Feb 13 03:09:57 one to the left of the timeline would work great Feb 13 03:10:14 app menu = 3 clicks Feb 13 03:10:20 panel would be a swipe and a tap Feb 13 03:10:50 Hey Guys Feb 13 03:11:05 What are we talking about today :) Feb 13 03:11:26 axes Feb 13 03:11:36 and mms Feb 13 03:11:46 and Scale Feb 13 03:12:03 and HP being at SCALE and webos-internals being there and how awesome it's going to be Feb 13 03:12:24 yup Feb 13 03:12:32 that is gonna be fun Feb 13 03:13:01 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Sprint-BAD-ESN-WORKS-GREAT-USED-/190501476099?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c5ac5d703#ht_500wt_1022 Feb 13 03:13:06 WOW $30.00 Feb 13 03:13:09 for bad ESN Feb 13 03:13:35 darn Feb 13 03:13:50 Sonny788 wants a badn esn Feb 13 03:13:53 that's a good deal Feb 13 03:14:00 i would've picked that up. im looking for a pre to buy for under $30 Feb 13 03:14:07 hmmm Feb 13 03:14:20 even for a bad ESN, this could make a great dev deivce... Feb 13 03:14:41 http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-DEVOUR-Verizon-BAD-ESN-PARTS-/190500107459?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c5ab0f4c3#ht_1545wt_1007 LOL Feb 13 03:14:47 Do you think there do Pickup LOL Feb 13 03:15:55 lololol Feb 13 03:16:13 that's a lot of laughing Feb 13 03:17:14 yeah, im surprised at how stupid ebay is. they're all "pro-buyer" and they fail to realize that the price for the item could be low and the seller puts a rediculous amount for shipping Feb 13 03:17:43 they should cap shipping based on what the item is Feb 13 03:18:58 is there a common meaning for just $ in javascript? is it special? Feb 13 03:19:14 its special in jquery, I know that Feb 13 03:19:38 so it isn't js specific .. it's something with the framework Feb 13 03:19:38 gotcha Feb 13 03:19:39 thanks Feb 13 03:20:02 dumbledore: or just require weight to be entered and flag sellers that ship for large amounts for the weight Feb 13 03:20:12 yeah, that would work Feb 13 03:21:16 dumbledore: and yeah it should be easy to nail someone for fraud if they're selling 400 pound cell phones :) Feb 13 03:21:28 rofl Feb 13 03:21:30 bpadalino: in mojo, it's from prototype Feb 13 03:21:36 yep Feb 13 03:22:12 without being too coy, i'm "learning beyond" .. wink wink nudge nudge Feb 13 03:22:16 i wouldn't even spend over $40 on ebay unless i know what im getting is worth the price Feb 13 03:22:54 derp Feb 13 03:23:01 herp Feb 13 03:23:09 herpa derpa Feb 13 03:23:11 merp Feb 13 03:26:13 anyone ever expeirence rare occasions where you just recieve a missed call notification without the phone ringing first Feb 13 03:26:28 ive had it once Feb 13 03:26:31 but poor signal Feb 13 03:26:44 was enough for the phone to acknowledge it but dropped before it was able to ring Feb 13 03:26:49 oh. Feb 13 03:26:59 dude_man: yeah. Feb 13 03:27:01 LOl http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-SCH-U350-w-batt-PERFECT-verizon-Bad-esn-/140511151934?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item20b71e073e Feb 13 03:27:03 err. dumbledore: yeah Feb 13 03:27:23 i've just expirenced it Feb 13 03:27:40 phone is in plain sight Feb 13 03:27:44 that's quite a phone there Feb 13 03:28:38 lol 0.6 pixel camera Feb 13 03:28:38 Anyone need 60 Phone for $350 http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-60-Samsung-Brand-Phones-Bad-ESNs-/120682360139?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c193aad4b Feb 13 03:29:43 Palm Pixi $10 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pixi-P121EWW-Verizon-Bad-ESN-Great-Shape-/120680610332?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item1c191ffa1c#ht_500wt_1022 :) Feb 13 03:30:01 Hi, I'm using Handbrake to read some DVDs for use on my palm but have found that it seems to "skip" when I play it back. What are CPU and disk-space friendly options for transcoding to the palm? Feb 13 03:30:54 depends on screen size. pre or pixi? Feb 13 03:31:08 I get options like video in MPEG-4 vs x264 and audio in a variety of formats like AAC, MP3, AC3 (passthru or ffmpeg). Feb 13 03:31:13 It's the Pre. Feb 13 03:31:31 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/203144-how-play-convert-videos-movies-your-pre-pixi.html Feb 13 03:32:14 480x320 is optimal according to that tutorial Feb 13 03:32:50 Sweet. Feb 13 03:33:54 * jjore bows. Feb 13 03:34:45 :3 OP deserves bow but i'll be sure to pass it on :P Feb 13 03:35:01 You had better google-fu than I did. Feb 13 03:35:19 nope, just do tons of trolling on the forms :P Feb 13 03:35:29 and I don't. Feb 13 03:36:11 lol. they're pretty useful. i never knew that i could mod the dialer till i bumped into a post Feb 13 03:40:36 WOW, Ebay give you $50.00 for a Palm Pre PLus http://green.ebay.com/instantsale/?search=Palm&submit.x=0&submit.y=0 Feb 13 03:41:10 or $5.00 for a POOR components Palm Pre WOW Feb 13 03:41:30 oil: http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/35839514635145216 awesome question. I was wondering that myself Feb 13 03:41:44 at the very least you could do bluetooth stuff yourself. Feb 13 03:41:50 the response was to ask about it in eap Feb 13 03:42:08 i was thinking like, a crossword game, could send the state to itself on the other device Feb 13 03:42:18 as an example of another app using it Feb 13 03:42:20 that'd be AWESOME Feb 13 03:42:35 or spaz sending current tweet data to touchpad Feb 13 03:42:45 so I don't have to re read or scroll thru tweets on my touchpad Feb 13 03:42:59 when you tap, just every open app that knows how to send data to itself would include it Feb 13 03:43:22 word Feb 13 03:43:50 or using once device to control the other in koto player Feb 13 03:44:04 I'm guessing most peeps would use touchpad for audio first Feb 13 03:44:09 so use pre3 as remote :) Feb 13 03:46:04 OMG IT WORKS Feb 13 03:48:49 hey its otterpant Feb 13 03:49:02 batman Feb 13 03:50:01 yuh Feb 13 03:50:03 hey hey Feb 13 04:01:39 I really hope that regardless of what the "something special" that HP does for lack of OTA 2.0 updates... That it brings Enyo to older devices Feb 13 04:07:53 hey who has paid apps in teh catalog? Feb 13 04:08:09 !inb4 pirated apps :P Feb 13 04:08:56 can webos be pirated Feb 13 04:09:18 everything can Feb 13 04:09:20 * sugardave has paid apps in the catalog. Feb 13 04:11:59 yeah, if you can see it, you can probably pirate it Feb 13 04:12:26 sugardave: is the "downloads" total equal to what you get paid? or is it adjusted? Feb 13 04:12:56 i'm out! Feb 13 04:13:08 cya Feb 13 04:13:20 night! Feb 13 04:14:30 Tibfib: what do you mean by downloads total? Feb 13 04:14:36 what the portal tells you? Feb 13 04:14:41 on the my apps page Feb 13 04:15:08 like if I take that number by amount I get per sale, is it accurate? or does the num get adjusted? Feb 13 04:21:40 WHOA. Feb 13 04:21:53 INORIT Feb 13 04:21:55 kstate just won with a ridiculous three point buzzer shot Feb 13 04:21:57 what? Feb 13 04:22:17 ah Feb 13 04:22:19 nooo. It might not count Feb 13 04:22:32 ah bs Feb 13 04:22:40 .1 sec away from a win Feb 13 04:22:45 he release it too late Feb 13 04:22:51 d Feb 13 04:23:15 sucks for the guy that made it Feb 13 04:27:44 hm, anyone who went to the Feb 9th event know what size the art is on the posters they were giving away? Feb 13 04:29:12 Tibfib: in the 'My Apps' section, the settled downloads is the number you want Feb 13 04:29:21 that is what you will get paid on Feb 13 04:29:41 is that under "sales reports"? Feb 13 04:30:09 * sugardave is logging in. Feb 13 04:30:47 yeah, there's a total on my apps, then each month also has settled downloads in the reports Feb 13 04:31:12 in addition, the monthly reports show your revenue totals per app Feb 13 04:33:23 sugardave: is the total "settled" ? Feb 13 04:33:33 yep Feb 13 04:33:36 sweet Feb 13 04:33:53 I don't have sales reports yet since I just started selling koto Feb 13 04:33:59 ah, right Feb 13 04:34:04 but you have a total Feb 13 04:34:10 yep! Feb 13 04:34:19 coolness Feb 13 04:35:57 there are at least 30 pre 2 owners. Feb 13 04:37:11 hehe Feb 13 04:37:32 are you also tracking metrics? Feb 13 04:37:37 yeah Feb 13 04:37:49 using Metrix or your own? Feb 13 04:37:52 Metrix Feb 13 04:38:08 I may give it a go when re-releasing apps Feb 13 04:38:13 pretty slick Feb 13 04:38:32 Yeah, Metrix is pretty cool Feb 13 04:38:55 it graphs data pretty nicely Feb 13 04:43:18 rwhitby: not a fan of the singer/voice in that vid Feb 13 04:43:28 I like the idea though Feb 13 04:44:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pBbGTKNr7Y Feb 13 05:02:55 after spending about 3 hours trying to install a custom rom and failing I decided I'm returning my android phone Feb 13 05:03:14 dude_man: a custom rom? Feb 13 05:03:20 webos doesn't -have- custom roms Feb 13 05:03:36 Android Feb 13 05:03:57 ooooooh, miss read that Feb 13 05:04:07 I thought you meant you were returning -to- an android phone Feb 13 05:04:38 nope. Picked up a mytouch 4g after the HP annoincement and I see that android s not for me Feb 13 05:05:07 shit, windows mobile was much easyer to hack Feb 13 05:05:23 haha Feb 13 05:05:24 I used even make cfustom roms myself with the kitchens Feb 13 05:05:28 oil: hopefully there will be an api. if not we can probably reverse engineer it and find a way to use it in homebrew, but i can hope they would want official apps to be able to use it Feb 13 05:06:04 yeah Feb 13 05:08:21 destinal: it needs official Feb 13 05:08:36 destinal: regardless of what they do Feb 13 05:08:41 * Tibfib thinks of playing settlers of catan Feb 13 05:08:55 i still think a plugin letting html5 apps easily talk to each other over bluetooth would be awesome Feb 13 05:09:02 with a simple api for finding and sending data Feb 13 05:09:20 but, alas, i'm no plugin dev :) Feb 13 05:09:26 webOS 2.0 has the serial profile for BT Feb 13 05:09:30 is that not enough Feb 13 05:09:39 is that accessable from javascript? Feb 13 05:09:41 or just pdk apps Feb 13 05:09:46 oil: what's your day job? Feb 13 05:09:46 ah Feb 13 05:09:50 there needs to be stuff in there for javascript to get to it Feb 13 05:09:54 an inbetween Feb 13 05:10:01 i work for a fruit company Feb 13 05:10:04 I hope there is js api to the bluetooth stuff Feb 13 05:10:05 oh yeah! Feb 13 05:10:15 what do you do for the fruit company? Feb 13 05:10:24 sugardave: i do too, but if not, we need destinal to write the plugin :) Feb 13 05:10:33 it Feb 13 05:10:40 +1 Feb 13 05:10:56 so basically everything Feb 13 05:11:12 oil: you know what I haven't even started playing with bluetooth on my pre2 yet. wow, totally overlooked that Feb 13 05:11:16 re the new bt spp Feb 13 05:11:39 destinal: yeah, but in plugin-form so mojo/enyo apps can use it to communicate with each other Feb 13 05:11:56 without a server in the middle, like every multiplayer game Feb 13 05:12:00 oil: sure, yeah Feb 13 05:12:29 oil: hmmm, PDK style plugin or NPAPI plugin? Feb 13 05:12:33 I don't know how this "plugin" thing works...is it going to be like a service or something? Feb 13 05:12:40 pdk so everyone can use it Feb 13 05:12:53 so hybrid apps Feb 13 05:13:04 sugardave: yeah, a plugin is like a service, but a little different Feb 13 05:13:13 technically apps that use services are also hybrids Feb 13 05:13:41 * oil would make multiplayer dot game Feb 13 05:14:05 how do I extract an IPK out of a program installed on my phone. as a backup? Feb 13 05:14:20 programs installed on your phone are no longer in ipk format Feb 13 05:14:25 they're unpacked Feb 13 05:14:53 well arn't u smart mr smarty pants Feb 13 05:15:02 lol. Feb 13 05:15:08 ill remember that next time i think about answering your question Feb 13 05:15:12 and wont Feb 13 05:15:19 OMGFGggg Feb 13 05:15:24 what will i ever do Feb 13 05:15:31 backups/pirated copies.. hmmm Feb 13 05:15:31 shout in the dark Feb 13 05:15:34 with out your universe of knoledge i might die Feb 13 05:15:38 probably ask more stupid questions Feb 13 05:15:39 I'll f-ing die Feb 13 05:15:48 :P Feb 13 05:15:51 please go troll elsewhere Feb 13 05:15:56 +1 Feb 13 05:16:07 How do i go into card view? Feb 13 05:16:43 anyone up for a bit of "why doesn't this work?" Feb 13 05:16:50 hola Feb 13 05:16:56 depends, Tibfib, what doesn't work? Feb 13 05:16:56 I hate that game Feb 13 05:16:58 joebpre: howdy! Feb 13 05:17:01 http://webos.pastebin.com/m10eUTFW Feb 13 05:17:05 doesn't return the right date. Feb 13 05:17:16 lemme add some more code Feb 13 05:17:51 there: http://webos.pastebin.com/FMFXfAmv Feb 13 05:17:58 oil: the plugin api could be really simple, just basically the ability to find / pair with other devices and then just send / receive json arrays to one or more connected devices.. Feb 13 05:18:03 mondays gives me friday Feb 13 05:18:09 destinal: exactly Feb 13 05:18:21 tuesday gives thursday Feb 13 05:18:53 :s Feb 13 05:19:03 alarm.occurs...what is that? Feb 13 05:19:26 where does webos keep the programs it has installed? Feb 13 05:19:28 just my var to keep track of what the user chooses Feb 13 05:19:37 that part works Feb 13 05:19:44 it's the logic stuff that doesn;t Feb 13 05:20:50 No idea! Feb 13 05:21:45 :/ Feb 13 05:22:21 anyone overclock a pixie?> Feb 13 05:22:30 d is....today? Feb 13 05:22:44 both d and alarmDate are new Date()s Feb 13 05:22:45 so yeah Feb 13 05:23:00 oh, didn't see th new code :P Feb 13 05:23:04 dude_man: seriously, after your behaviour earlier do you really think anyone is going to answer further questions? Feb 13 05:23:19 heh. rwhitby spelt behavior funny Feb 13 05:23:21 ]you mean about the smarty pants thing>? Feb 13 05:23:22 :] Feb 13 05:23:40 or the webOS 2.0.1 thing? Feb 13 05:23:46 either.. Feb 13 05:23:47 or the being rly good looking thing? Feb 13 05:24:03 definitely that one Feb 13 05:24:15 Tibfib: have you debugged it in a console, and looked at the variables to make sure they all exist correctly? Feb 13 05:24:16 some ppl can;t hangle such good looks Feb 13 05:24:40 rob is so awesome his name is in red Feb 13 05:24:44 Orithma: mostly. I'll run through it again Feb 13 05:24:51 and when he jumps in a pool the pool gets all dry and shit Feb 13 05:25:13 Tibfib: the only issue I run into is line 23. where your logic checks TimePassed Feb 13 05:25:23 damnit why don't my pirated apps install? Feb 13 05:25:35 i always trying doing boolean checks that way, but end up with better results if i actually test TimePassed === true Feb 13 05:25:57 alright, I'll do that Feb 13 05:26:01 * rwhitby wonders who this 'rob' guy is who is so cool Feb 13 05:26:11 that's just me tho... otherwise, I get the whole "javascript sees this var exists and it's got something in it" rather than "is it true or false" Feb 13 05:26:20 dude_man: you do realize that is is a channel monitored by palm, and that your ip has been recorded right? Oh, and that the dev for your pirated app is most likely in here Feb 13 05:26:28 OMGOMGOMG Feb 13 05:26:37 dkirker: ping Feb 13 05:26:44 you will get _no_ help at all Feb 13 05:26:48 call a whine-bulance for u ok? Feb 13 05:27:02 dirka dirka, we need your power! Feb 13 05:27:08 it's just an app abotu a pirate Feb 13 05:27:17 arrr Feb 13 05:27:18 lol Feb 13 05:27:25 who else has banning power? Feb 13 05:27:27 omg, did you steal Yule Log? Feb 13 05:27:31 this is the internet and it's srs shit Feb 13 05:27:33 dkirker: does? Feb 13 05:27:45 oil: dkirker set up the channel Feb 13 05:27:50 IIRC he set up some others with the ability as well Feb 13 05:27:57 not me Feb 13 05:27:59 who? Feb 13 05:28:06 lemketron in powerful Feb 13 05:28:10 what is up? Feb 13 05:28:11 s/in/is/ Feb 13 05:28:16 dkirker: can you ban dude_man? Feb 13 05:28:22 I think rwhitby and a few others, but I'm not sure Feb 13 05:28:40 he's been trolling, being extremely rude, and discussing nda matters Feb 13 05:28:56 and extremely good looking make u insecure Feb 13 05:29:17 * oil found a picture of dude_man http://bit.ly/cAHSZr Feb 13 05:29:29 lol Feb 13 05:29:37 I am reading the backlog right now. But just so that it is noted, any violations of the NDA will result in a loss of privileges to #webos. Feb 13 05:29:42 I was actually expecting a IRL pic of me Feb 13 05:29:49 I was like omg Feb 13 05:29:55 u guys are hackers so IDK Feb 13 05:30:31 I'm not under NDA so :p Feb 13 05:30:39 gtg ttyl Feb 13 05:30:45 I hope not. Feb 13 05:30:46 time for some hot wings Feb 13 05:31:03 Yes, but copyright law violations can result in the same penalties. Feb 13 05:31:04 oh Feb 13 05:32:41 whoops. I failed at variable naming. might clear things up Feb 13 05:33:15 uh-oh Feb 13 05:33:31 rwhitby: I'm sorry I made fun of you. Feb 13 05:33:39 and your weird spelling Feb 13 05:33:40 bah Feb 13 05:33:53 Tibfib: yeah, that's what this is about Feb 13 05:33:54 Ok, just so I am on the same page with everyone else, where is the NDA violation? Feb 13 05:34:19 im pretty sure being a jerk is against the NDA Feb 13 05:34:24 haha Feb 13 05:34:28 lol Feb 13 05:34:36 dkirker: there hasn't actually been such yet Feb 13 05:34:51 rwhitby: Ah. Yeah. I just looked and didn't see any. Feb 13 05:35:06 oil: +1 Feb 13 05:35:07 at the moment it's just amateur trolling Feb 13 05:35:32 he talked about pirating. Feb 13 05:35:39 time reference please? Feb 13 05:35:39 and asked about things under nda Feb 13 05:36:06 what time zone are you in? Feb 13 05:36:08 Tibfib: right, just amateur trolling Feb 13 05:36:24 rwhitby: and was a jerk. Feb 13 05:36:29 + Feb 13 05:36:29 3 wrongs make a ban, right? Feb 13 05:36:31 if he actually posted a link to something at this point, his ass would be grass Feb 13 05:36:37 If you are going to make accusations, please include a time reference so I can take care of things promptly. Feb 13 05:36:49 I bet someone here could bait him into it Feb 13 05:36:59 dkirker: what timezone are you in? Feb 13 05:37:00 Tibfib: It doesn't matter. Just a general time, or a quote of him, or a reference to the log. Feb 13 05:37:08 banning is always a last resort. most sensible folks will get the message well before then. Feb 13 05:37:09 I would never condone such action, but I bet somebody could Feb 13 05:37:09 I am in PST. Feb 13 05:37:16 11:24 central time he talks about pirating apps Feb 13 05:37:38 Tibfib: s/talks/asks/ Feb 13 05:37:46 "07:11:19 What if I made a youtube video of my Pre 1 with webOS 2,0.1 on it?> would you guys watch it?" Feb 13 05:37:47 and gets the appropriate response Feb 13 05:38:12 * Tibfib goes back to koto Feb 13 05:38:19 err. actually. alarm clock this night Feb 13 05:38:26 Ah. I was not in the room then for that. Feb 13 05:38:50 See, I cannot just ban people. Mostly I have to give them a warning. Feb 13 05:39:27 Well, there are some instance where I will do an instant ban. But... it is complicated. Feb 13 05:39:43 * rwhitby acts on a whim - it keeps people on their toes Feb 13 05:39:47 * TrollCoaxer whistles for the troll... Feb 13 05:39:56 no one expects the spanish inquisition! Feb 13 05:39:56 * TrollCoaxer baits his troll trap. Feb 13 05:39:59 dkirker: up to you man. I think his actions and behavior warranted a ban. Feb 13 05:40:04 * SineOt just runs a few 80+ people channels like a brutal dictatorship. IRC isn't a democracy! :Q Feb 13 05:40:06 wow what's the subject tonight ? Feb 13 05:40:26 trolls and goblins Feb 13 05:40:30 we are playing dungeons and dragons Feb 13 05:40:34 lol Feb 13 05:43:00 Orithma: it's definitely a logic issue :/ Feb 13 05:43:40 Tibfib: you made any changes to the pastebin post? Feb 13 05:43:45 or can i still go off that? Feb 13 05:43:45 yeah Feb 13 05:43:51 testing a possible solution now Feb 13 05:44:00 kk Feb 13 05:44:13 was it that boolean logic? Feb 13 05:44:33 Tibfib: sorry, can't concentrate Feb 13 05:45:00 Orithma: nope, that if statement isn't getting fired Feb 13 05:45:07 (not setting saturday) Feb 13 05:45:57 * joebpre looks for a hide all windows patch Feb 13 05:47:04 joebpre: step 1) remove battery step 2) don "hide all windows" patch with glory Feb 13 05:47:07 :D Feb 13 05:47:17 lol Feb 13 05:48:31 okay, I think I found the fix to part of it Feb 13 05:48:34 now to see if it ALL works Feb 13 05:49:10 Orithma: even beter 1) place phone on table 2. cover with towel. Feb 13 05:49:38 nah, the easiest is just 1)close your eyes Feb 13 05:51:05 lol Feb 13 05:51:13 love both those... Feb 13 05:51:34 * Orithma asks internals if he can right patches for the wiki ;) Feb 13 05:51:38 1) throw phone at SineOt 2) laugh and point :P Feb 13 05:51:56 Orithma: right or write hahaha Feb 13 05:52:03 DERP Feb 13 05:52:08 * Orithma facepalms Feb 13 05:52:21 EyE Reyeght GUD! Feb 13 05:57:04 doh stuck on infinite alarm loop Feb 13 06:00:01 lol Feb 13 06:00:24 emulator and ares log does not like it Feb 13 06:02:08 it doesn't like you Tibfib lol Feb 13 06:02:31 yeahh... I've been putting my emu and logg through some tough times Feb 13 06:05:57 holy crap. it's going crazy Feb 13 06:07:42 video or it didn't happen. what are you trying to do? Feb 13 06:09:27 just get my alarms working Feb 13 06:09:39 video wouldn't be very exciting Feb 13 06:10:42 this is true. Feb 13 06:11:11 LOL. it's because I can't spell staurday Feb 13 06:12:21 okay, two out of three work. now to test thrid Feb 13 06:12:23 third* Feb 13 06:14:53 and the third didn't work because I can't spell friday! Feb 13 06:15:19 * Tibfib should probably stop coding after a certain time Feb 13 06:15:42 epic failure Feb 13 06:16:10 yeah. :/ Feb 13 06:16:13 hmm... the drive housing freenas on my server is periodically whining at me Feb 13 06:16:20 i think there's a demon inside Feb 13 06:16:54 * Orithma gets the candles in preparation of an exorcism Feb 13 06:18:26 Is there any particular reason why a horizontal scroller with snap elements will snap correctly when I manually setup the elements but when I go to dynamically change the elements (which change correctly), the snapping doesn't work anymore? Feb 13 06:19:23 I'm going to bet that it's because horizontal snap scrollers kind of behave weird everywhere Feb 13 06:19:44 yeah Feb 13 06:19:48 they're tricky Feb 13 06:20:14 and annoying Feb 13 06:20:26 Anyone have experience with this problem? Feb 13 06:20:37 the most common weirdity I've seen being that it only snaps sometimes Feb 13 06:20:45 there's some flick speed that will just break the snap Feb 13 06:21:23 Flick speed? Feb 13 06:21:59 yeah, I think. it's all I can think of to cause it. if you move your finger to get to the next snap, sometimes it won't snap Feb 13 06:22:23 and will instead do the inertial scroll over, bounce, and settle in against the far edge Feb 13 06:23:03 there! latest source posted to github. Feb 13 06:23:06 goodnight everyone Feb 13 06:23:35 So there aren't any solutions to this? Feb 13 06:24:31 * Orithma is convinced there is. Feb 13 06:24:36 Sine will tell you otherwise ;) Feb 13 06:24:52 thbbbt Feb 13 06:24:58 I can't find any solution on the interwebz Feb 13 06:25:08 ...but Sine's actually done an implementation. So I can't really talk Feb 13 06:25:16 Sine, :D Feb 13 06:58:07 Aaaaaand this is why My Little Ponies: Friendship is Magic is awesome. http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/12/24/my-little-non-homophobic-non-racist-non-smart-shaming-pony-a-rebuttal/ **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 13 15:40:14 2011 Feb 13 16:03:45 gour: the good parts book is the best one IMO :) Feb 13 17:20:05 anybody has experience in "hybrid" apps? Feb 13 17:20:24 http://kotaku.com/#!5757380/if-john-hughes-made-the-legend-of-zelda Feb 13 17:20:30 i believe oil does Feb 13 17:21:11 wirc is an example hybrid app that is in the webos internals public repo Feb 13 17:21:39 ok, I'll have a look there. Feb 13 17:22:00 the url is here for convenience: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary Feb 13 17:32:35 wait Feb 13 17:32:45 theres a 2nd guitar hero game now for webos? Feb 13 17:32:50 first one kinda sucked Feb 13 18:00:07 hm... I can't find out, why the object seems to be undefined and my application is just not executed. :( Feb 13 18:21:11 hm.. should the log say something about running my executable?? It prints some pages about setting up the jail and mounting stuff.. Feb 13 18:22:52 lol.. complaining about it helped. Feb 13 18:27:49 hahaha
still works, this is awesome Feb 13 18:49:56 The center tag is awesome Feb 13 18:50:58 Is there any particular reason why a horizontal scroller with snap elements will snap correctly when I manually setup the elements but when I go to dynamically change the elements (which change correctly), the snapping doesn't work anymore? Feb 13 18:53:41 are you resetting the snap elements and snap index after resizing the items array? Feb 13 18:54:09 Yes Feb 13 18:54:28 and I've tried without doing that and it seems as if there isn't a change at all whether it's there or not Feb 13 18:55:12 the only time I ever got it to work was by not changing my items array after I originally started displaying it Feb 13 18:55:24 it was a pita Feb 13 18:56:18 So a horizontal scroller with snap elements doesn't work for dynamic scrollers then? Feb 13 18:57:40 technically my list was dynamic, each time the scene loaded I had to generate the list of items I wanted to display, but I never changed it during that scene's life....but that doesn't mean I was doing it right, either :) Feb 13 18:58:16 So you just refreshed the entire scene when it updated? I wonder if that'll work for me :o Feb 13 18:58:41 hmm, re-activating MIGHT work, or pop/push with no transitions... Feb 13 18:59:03 The only problem I can see with that is if the user is in the process of scrolling. Feb 13 19:02:16 twbbas: one other thing you might try is make it snap to an arbitrary index (like 0) and then snap back to the one the user was on...I think you can snap to without animating, as well Feb 13 19:04:15 Okay, thanks. I'll try that Feb 13 19:08:05 mah. Feb 13 19:09:57 trying to send a PUT request according to: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2373&start=0 Feb 13 19:11:23 twbbas: I had a lot of trouble with nested scrollers with snapping. Feb 13 19:11:52 Snapping would suddenly turn off and it would be in free scroll. Feb 13 19:12:02 Yes, that's what's happening with mine Feb 13 19:12:13 I never did find a solution. Feb 13 19:12:16 I punted. Feb 13 19:12:18 :( Feb 13 19:14:02 leiru: so you're using XMLHttpRequest and not Ajax.Request right? Feb 13 19:15:34 oh my scrollers were not nested Feb 13 19:15:44 my scrolleR, just the one Feb 13 19:18:22 sugardave: i tried to overwrite frameworks prototype with v1.7 in sources json and index.html- did not work. then shortly tried to make a "manual" xmlhttprequest, did not work too Feb 13 19:19:04 my question would be: does it work in one of this ways? Feb 13 19:19:26 leiru: you don't need to do that, apparently XHR in 1.4.0 allows you to do PUT requests Feb 13 19:19:51 and what about DELETE? Feb 13 19:20:59 no, it is changed to GET or POST Feb 13 19:22:28 hmpf Feb 13 20:11:58 http://www.precentral.net/webos-developers-here-your-2011-do-list-maintain-mojo-start-enyo - you guys see this Feb 13 20:12:53 yeah.. still waiting for my early access Feb 13 20:14:02 baerdonk Feb 13 20:22:26 how are you devs feeling since feb 9th? Feb 13 20:22:45 been trying to gauge the reaction Feb 13 20:24:26 see blog posts. Feb 13 20:24:30 was a bit grumpy, now it's just sort of wait and see time Feb 13 20:24:47 same a SineOt Feb 13 20:24:54 still feel like deving for webos? Feb 13 20:25:05 mos def Feb 13 20:25:11 im kinda selfishly asking as I keep wondering if I want to get into it myself Feb 13 20:25:20 yeah, I love the platform and I believe HP will come through. It's just taking forever Feb 13 20:25:24 better to get in now than 2 years ago Feb 13 20:25:37 yer i think its a good time Feb 13 20:25:44 good resources to refer to Feb 13 20:25:48 i'm not angry as many others - but i started mojo too late (june 2010) and now i have to learn enyo ;) Feb 13 20:25:59 Draecos, yeah Feb 13 20:26:19 I mean really, I think if you're just getting into it right now is probably the best time for you to do so Feb 13 20:26:34 cool Feb 13 20:26:42 nice to get good feedback Feb 13 20:26:48 cheers Feb 13 20:26:51 still like the way, how developers are treated (like in a family) Feb 13 20:27:08 I know there's been a lot of negativity floating around but you just need to remember that a lot of it is because of poor communication and issues with the way that the lead up to this point has been handled Feb 13 20:27:17 is the lack of info as bad as the news sites portray? Feb 13 20:27:37 the no 2.0 OTA thing should have been made clear before developers spent a ton of time porting their current apps to do the 2.0 APIs, etc Feb 13 20:27:40 Draecos: yes and no Feb 13 20:27:48 SineOt, yer thats one reason i take reading P/C with a pinch of salt Feb 13 20:28:30 P|C forums are like an ultra negative poo poo parade whenever something kind of negative comes up Feb 13 20:28:36 yer Feb 13 20:28:38 i hate it Feb 13 20:28:47 people trolling cos they are sulking Feb 13 20:28:51 I've never read them. that joint seems ripe with douchebags Feb 13 20:28:54 * sugardave checks the funkatron poop report. Feb 13 20:28:55 Adora: I don't know if you got my DM on twitter, but thank you again so much for the help at the dev event <3 Feb 13 20:28:59 funkatron, def Feb 13 20:29:11 i dont read it as much now, more everything pre or WOR Feb 13 20:29:15 yeah it's a mix of trolling and self entitlement Feb 13 20:29:22 yer Feb 13 20:30:03 well yeah.. still have to develop for pre as my last resort Feb 13 20:30:35 anyone doing android as well? Feb 13 20:31:18 wanted to but never had the ambition yet Feb 13 20:31:31 and hearing all the bad stuff about payment... dunno if it's really worth it Feb 13 20:31:41 ah Feb 13 20:31:51 no not if you're gonna have probs with that. Feb 13 20:32:59 even angry birds is free over there... Feb 13 20:33:05 so much for making money on andriod Feb 13 20:35:50 so how the feck is there so many apps in the market then? (albeit a lot of crap ones aka app store) Feb 13 20:36:17 well... most of them are free Feb 13 20:36:21 so i heard Feb 13 20:39:02 what are the reasons, that android sales aren't that good? what do you think? Feb 13 20:39:52 destinal: i'm glad that 'good parts' is considered good JS resource, but i wonder if it's enough? Feb 13 20:40:56 well i dunno.. maybe the payment through google payments? Feb 13 20:41:07 i don't own an android so I really don't know Feb 13 20:42:45 me neither - but i can imagine that google will take steps to improve this! As well as HP tries improve its platform Feb 13 20:44:09 http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/google-unhappy-slow-android-app-sales/ Feb 13 20:44:23 obvious issue as they point out, fragmentation Feb 13 20:44:49 ads are why android market is so full Feb 13 20:44:58 admob has almost 100% fill rates for android Feb 13 20:45:04 if you set it up right Feb 13 20:45:06 crickey Feb 13 20:45:14 everything is almost spam :/ Feb 13 20:45:19 lols Feb 13 20:47:46 The thing is, even though ads are revenue for google, they cant directly count it as revenue for app sales Feb 13 20:48:16 most likely the issue is big app houses arent making their money, and now they have wavering support on android and are pushing google to do something about it Feb 13 20:48:40 yeah - but does it really matter where the money comes from? Feb 13 20:48:46 yes it does Feb 13 20:49:02 but my last point is most likely the real reason Feb 13 20:49:07 yeah - you're right in the second point Feb 13 20:49:14 and its a reason you wont hear anyone discussing for legal reasons Feb 13 20:49:54 Typically google would then reinvest ad revenue in the ad system, and app sales in the app system, that plays a big role when developing the budget Feb 13 20:51:30 Anyone else on using sprint? Feb 13 20:52:31 but fragmentation is a now a problem here too... mojo, enyo - 1.4.5/2.1/3.0 - i fear that we're make the same mistake... Feb 13 20:52:45 not really Feb 13 20:52:48 yer but at least its just versioning Feb 13 20:52:53 howdy Feb 13 20:52:54 it's orders of magnitude worse on android Feb 13 20:53:01 vastly different roms Feb 13 20:53:15 diff interfaces Feb 13 20:53:27 thats right - but there are much more android users right now Feb 13 20:53:44 many more Feb 13 20:53:51 yep Feb 13 20:53:53 okay, well, if you want to access them, be prepared for suckage. Feb 13 20:54:02 Fragmentation is no excuse for poor app sales, really it isnt, people still have a list of apps available on the platform they have. Feb 13 20:54:22 android has poor app sales? Feb 13 20:54:29 not saying it is, but it could be reason for devs not making apps for android Feb 13 20:54:33 app sales yes, app downloads no Feb 13 20:54:45 thats why so many apps liek angry birds are packed with crap ads Feb 13 20:54:46 cost+time of testing on x number of variations Feb 13 20:54:49 reference? Feb 13 20:54:55 http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/google-unhappy-slow-android-app-sales/ Feb 13 20:55:01 1 example Feb 13 20:55:02 ajay, google it Feb 13 20:55:08 its all over the place Feb 13 20:55:11 yep Feb 13 20:55:23 This is why they killed the return policy which they should have never had in the first place Feb 13 20:55:38 nothing like buying an app, playing it till your board and then returning it Feb 13 20:56:13 If I can get bored with an app in 15 minutes, it probably was't that good.. :) Feb 13 20:56:39 well like angry birds, you could play it for 4 hours even and then just return it Feb 13 20:56:53 even if they went from 24 hours to 1 hour, still you have enough time Feb 13 20:57:01 doh Feb 13 20:57:02 but I get your point Feb 13 20:57:19 err, maybe you're referring to their old one.. 24 hours isn't that long for non-games Feb 13 20:57:37 Fragmentation is a sorry excuse for saying, our big app houses and partners arent happy and may be waivering on support for android Feb 13 20:58:06 hours is a long time regardless of app Feb 13 20:58:08 i'm pretty sure everyone in the chat room is supposed to take a drink everytime someone says 'fragmentation'.. no? Feb 13 20:58:09 24 hours Feb 13 20:58:16 I wish Feb 13 20:58:31 mm or maybe I will Feb 13 20:58:31 at least some can get a square on engadget bingo.. ;^) Feb 13 20:58:36 enyo glass batman Feb 13 21:00:16 CTLAdvance: I can google for the link all day, but it's a waste of time, i'm getting all the same article on every site, w/o any stats/data Feb 13 21:00:17 man so many app stores out there now... i should make a blog post with a list of them Feb 13 21:00:19 heh, Enyo shot glasses would be cool Feb 13 21:00:51 ajay, no one ever releases stats or data Feb 13 21:01:15 What is interesting is the motion of google trying to continue and make changes to increase app sales Feb 13 21:01:24 which are different then app downloads Feb 13 21:01:35 so.. google says they have poor app sales.. ok, this is a bold admission. However, w/o data that doesn't mean much.. Feb 13 21:01:57 how does it compare to BB, Maemo, webOS? Uncertain Feb 13 21:01:57 ajay - it means alot, it means your platform is failing to churn app sales Feb 13 21:02:08 esp when it comes from the creator Feb 13 21:02:37 this is why the android market is dominated by free and ad supported apps Feb 13 21:02:41 like angry birds Feb 13 21:02:54 they cant get good churn rates on app sales, so they went free Feb 13 21:02:57 w/ ads Feb 13 21:03:51 One article thinks its all because of fragmentation. another thinks its because of the payment system.. i'm sure if i keep reading, i'll get yet another reason for this, i imagine Feb 13 21:04:20 if you listened to Palm PR, they'd tell you Palm is a better place to make money than iOS.. Feb 13 21:04:20 I am 90% sure google is doing anything due to business partners and frustrated big app houses Feb 13 21:04:32 Yes, and I would say they are wrong Feb 13 21:04:46 but they are paid to do that Feb 13 21:04:59 Oh this guy talks about everything being free.. It's true, Linux users are probably a lot less likely to buy apps than a windows user.. it's been said plenty before Feb 13 21:05:28 But come one, you cant really think the main user base on android is linux users do you? Feb 13 21:05:39 or people who proactively use linux Feb 13 21:06:01 Most of it is people who see googles name there and say oh this must be the future Feb 13 21:06:02 ... Feb 13 21:06:24 It has nothing to do with Linux, Android is saturated by younger owners, whom have been proven to be of an "entitlement" mentality. Feb 13 21:06:29 They want, nay DESERVE, everything for free. Feb 13 21:06:32 CTLAdvance: I definitely was NOT saying android users are linux users AT ALL Feb 13 21:06:46 oh ok Feb 13 21:07:02 np Feb 13 21:07:12 Hey anyone else in here on sprint? Feb 13 21:07:24 * CardShark is on Sprint. Feb 13 21:07:47 What do you think of sprints lacking lineup? they havent gotten a new phone in a real long time Feb 13 21:07:52 new smart phone Feb 13 21:08:00 What, you're not all over the Echo? LOL Feb 13 21:08:03 It sucks. Feb 13 21:08:11 i was comparing models.. iOS vs Android and Windows vs Linux. I think the latter 2 both have poor app sales, and the 3rd reason i've come across of why app sales are slow is because of android/google-->everything being/feeling free Feb 13 21:08:14 its not even out yet, and yeah... fail Feb 13 21:08:16 They better sell the Pre 3, or I'll be deeply depressed. Feb 13 21:08:28 Echo? That sounds like a good name for Verizon, like, the "can you hear me now" guy'd rock it Feb 13 21:08:46 morning Feb 13 21:08:55 evening Feb 13 21:09:08 Afternoon. Feb 13 21:09:18 phew, as long as its not a kung fu panda.. (just finished watching the PR video from feb9 :) Feb 13 21:09:21 Echo was a whole bag of fail, and did they really need an event for that phone Feb 13 21:09:23 * ajay gah! cardshark beat me to it Feb 13 21:09:30 lol Feb 13 21:10:19 damn, when sweet things come up on freecycle, it's DAMN difficult to reply in time! Feb 13 21:11:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw3Y4wHI1mw&feature=youtu.be -- new HP commercial with touchpad and webos featured Feb 13 21:11:40 cool.. I just crashed my phone.. hm. Feb 13 21:11:55 That song is terrible. Feb 13 21:12:11 What a horrible ad. Feb 13 21:12:26 jep.. I don't like it, neither. Feb 13 21:12:35 dohtem: @35secs "Everybody Sprint" - subliminal carrier branding? Feb 13 21:12:46 lol Feb 13 21:12:58 anything is better then the borg queen Feb 13 21:13:01 * ajay has finally come to saying "HP," but mainly when attacking strategy/direction Feb 13 21:13:04 i love the borg! Feb 13 21:13:30 They'd get better attention trying to assimilate the masses, then "everybody buy". Feb 13 21:13:47 webOS. Join the collective. Feb 13 21:14:01 Resistance is futile Feb 13 21:14:20 maybe, since Motorola is all tied up with Lucas, they can tie up with.. (who makes ST.. Viacom?) Feb 13 21:14:40 CBS? holy crap.. Feb 13 21:14:46 #^#$@! My Phone Says. ROFL Feb 13 21:14:58 New series on CBS. Feb 13 21:15:01 A whole sitcom to sell a phone/table. Feb 13 21:15:05 *tablet Feb 13 21:15:22 yeah, its cbs Feb 13 21:15:28 a webOS table! That's brilliant! Feb 13 21:15:40 it'll be like, the pacMan tables.. love it! Feb 13 21:15:45 Kick the MS table's a$$ Feb 13 21:18:23 * ajay just realized the slate is from hp, pre3/veer are from palm.. that explains the gesture areas/lack-of Feb 13 21:19:23 I think the real reason there's no gesture area, is that to make it work "properly", they'd have to put a gesture area on each of the four sides, and that could get messy trying to just hold on to the thing. I think it's just logistics. Feb 13 21:19:47 i think thats what they said it was Feb 13 21:19:49 rwhitby: i hope so.. only so people can stop complaining about it Feb 13 21:20:01 a virtual gesture area wouldn't have been too rough though Feb 13 21:20:27 just overlay say, 60 pixels as the gesture area that migrates with the screen rotation Feb 13 21:20:47 I think that would be an ideal solution. Feb 13 21:21:06 But how many "ems" LOL Feb 13 21:21:12 CardShark: it's possible to do that, only the active 'bottom' has it Feb 13 21:21:23 ajay: Good point. Feb 13 21:21:24 I was thinking about it last night Feb 13 21:21:40 supposedly, a palm employee confirmed that gesture area is going away Feb 13 21:21:43 CardShark: you don't lay out things that need a set height/width in ems :p Feb 13 21:21:54 because ems are fluid down to what 1 em even means! Feb 13 21:22:22 You're one of those aliens that doesn't understand sarcasm, aren't you? Feb 13 21:22:31 :Q Feb 13 21:22:36 :) Feb 13 21:22:37 cough cough Feb 13 21:22:41 you call us aliens? Feb 13 21:22:48 sarcasm is difficult to pick up through text alone Feb 13 21:22:50 Some of you, perhaps. Feb 13 21:23:01 and when you're hung over ;_; Feb 13 21:23:06 The "LOL" should have helped. :P Feb 13 21:23:09 it usually comes off as jerkyness Feb 13 21:23:42 Sorry... I'm like 75% sarcasm, 20% water, 5% cholesterol. Feb 13 21:23:55 i learned to deal with sarcasm on other ways Feb 13 21:24:02 I'm like 75% hung over, 20% high, and 5% otter ;_; Feb 13 21:24:09 "Deal with" Ouch. Feb 13 21:24:12 yay alcohol Feb 13 21:24:36 yeah i'm missing out on the gene to get sarcasm and irony Feb 13 21:24:49 Alien DNA. Feb 13 21:24:50 but i learned body language and facial expressions to get what the people are really thinking Feb 13 21:27:05 * oil would be concerned about that 5% SineOt Feb 13 21:27:19 lol Feb 13 21:29:40 * ajay says damnit ff3 back to 100% cpu.. i thought FF only had memory leaks..cpu too? gah! i thought closin tabs would help.. Feb 13 21:30:09 mostly it's flash ajay Feb 13 21:30:26 * SineOt hits oil with a clam Feb 13 21:30:45 ow Feb 13 21:31:12 joetweeply: i have flashblock on.. Feb 13 21:31:18 oh i think i made some exceptions tho.. Feb 13 21:31:39 heh Feb 13 21:36:51 Happy Valentines Day - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU Feb 13 21:37:30 Just opening FF3. locks up my cpu's Feb 13 21:37:33 not good Feb 13 21:37:36 huh Feb 13 21:38:43 FF3.6, I havent tried 4 yet Feb 13 21:39:09 hm.. would you recommend the pixi plus to any one as first smartphone in the current situation? Feb 13 21:39:26 no Feb 13 21:39:33 speaking of, where's that pixi+ I bought for $60 Feb 13 21:39:38 i gotta sell that quick! Feb 13 21:40:09 Any palm device prior to Palm Pre2 would be a joke to get locked into now on contract Feb 13 21:40:23 buy one off ebay Feb 13 21:41:39 damn pandora on my computer needs me to enable local storage.. i wonder if i can listen to it through the emulator? haha Feb 13 21:42:32 so from ebay would be ok? ;) Feb 13 21:47:08 yeah, if you can avoid a contract, then it's a hell of a lot better Feb 13 21:48:30 170 euros is the cheapest one could get a pixi+ here in germany Feb 13 21:48:44 with branding Feb 13 21:48:47 damn Feb 13 21:48:58 * sugardave begins planning for the inevitable carrier switch. "Stupid Sprint." Feb 13 21:49:02 hopefully some GSM pixi+'s start dropping from the sky Feb 13 21:49:33 sugardave: i'm sure there are _plenty_ of ways to get a Vz device on sprint.. and esp since it's cheaper.. Feb 13 21:51:20 maybe Feb 13 21:52:02 definitely Feb 13 21:52:16 but I don't hack hardware anymore :( Feb 13 21:52:23 my soldering iron is too big Feb 13 21:52:33 ajay: not really, Sprint is pretty strict on the activations Feb 13 21:52:47 haha.. i don't think vz->sprint requires hardware hacking :) Feb 13 21:53:10 SineOt: really? that'd suck, it seems to be one of the good things about verizon, then.. Feb 13 21:53:35 (actually i don't know, but their policy seems to be that you could bring any device on the network) Feb 13 21:53:49 so unless you can swap in a bit of sprint activated hardware to move into the new device, I don't think they'd activate it Feb 13 21:54:42 that's why the Pre2 conversions can get done... since it's taking a Sprint activated Pre- board and sticking it into a Pre2 Feb 13 21:54:45 so it needs to appear as a device that was once on/available-for sprint? like, the MEID? Feb 13 21:55:25 I think? not sure on everything Feb 13 21:55:29 could always make your VzPre2 get the id of your Sprint Pre, in sw Feb 13 21:55:49 don't think the MEIDs would match though Feb 13 21:55:53 so Sprint wouldn't activate it Feb 13 21:55:56 4g is going to be difficult though Feb 13 21:56:05 SineOt: that's what i meant, if you made them match Feb 13 21:56:59 s/4g/LTE/ s/difficult/hardware hackingly possible/ Feb 13 22:23:02 * ajay is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] Feb 13 22:52:48 * ajay is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 29 min 45 secs Feb 13 23:06:47 neat, it was just a recording problem with the squareup device .. Feb 13 23:06:58 now it's signal processing time to see if i can decode the swipes Feb 13 23:07:46 on webos? Feb 13 23:08:01 sure Feb 13 23:09:46 probably a webos internals thing and not a normal app since it will read the mic input .. which doesn't have an interface yet Feb 13 23:09:56 but the signal processing is the interesting part, not getting the samples Feb 13 23:10:43 that is actually one of the mean parts of no update for the old devices... you don't have interfaces for the cool stuff Feb 13 23:11:06 woohoo!!! i got a pre for just $12 Feb 13 23:12:04 dumbledore: gimme! Feb 13 23:13:06 hmm, internalz requires java, so that means no internalz on 2.0 yet right? Feb 13 23:17:37 lol Feb 13 23:17:47 i've been looking for a pre for a while now Feb 13 23:18:01 and the best part is, its in working condition Feb 13 23:18:22 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150561243137&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT Feb 13 23:18:34 woops Feb 13 23:18:35 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=150561243137&si=Hnr7j7Ca1oFFT63nxQGk9mJO2Lc%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT Feb 13 23:18:59 $12 off ebay?! no way! Feb 13 23:19:22 lol thats what i was saying when i looked at my account Feb 13 23:19:28 i was jumping for joy Feb 13 23:19:48 2.25 + 8.99 shipping Feb 13 23:20:46 dam Feb 13 23:21:17 yea Feb 13 23:23:16 haha really Feb 13 23:27:21 what would be a good price to sell my gsm pre2 for? Feb 13 23:27:29 thi: the -9 was on 1.4.5 Feb 13 23:28:15 ajay: .... i'd buy it for 20 Feb 13 23:29:50 joetweeply: sold! Feb 13 23:30:16 is it in good condition? Feb 13 23:30:16 * ajay wonders if he has to say... "NOT!" Feb 13 23:30:18 wait wat Feb 13 23:30:31 a pre2 for $20?? Feb 13 23:30:32 oh come on... that was sarcasm? Feb 13 23:30:49 i was trying to do whatever you were trying to do.. :)( Feb 13 23:30:52 i already announced... no sarcasm to me Feb 13 23:31:02 but i was for real :D Feb 13 23:31:55 ok, in that case i'll be for real.. i'll sell it for 20 gold bars, like in the movies (ftknx, banks,etc) Feb 13 23:32:20 i'll finally be able to use the pre as a torch light :D Feb 13 23:32:43 this guy at the dev event had his scrolling text app going and was wearing it as a necklace! Feb 13 23:32:46 would NFSU be transferred from my pixi to the pre when i sign into my profile with the pre? Feb 13 23:33:38 not if you got it for free in europe through this free giveaway phase Feb 13 23:33:58 nfsu? Feb 13 23:34:03 I think NFSU has separate Pre and Pixi appid's so most likely not. Feb 13 23:34:14 well shit :/... Feb 13 23:34:33 lol. eh i'll still have it on my pixi though right Feb 13 23:34:35 ? Feb 13 23:36:52 no, as soon as you sign into your profile on the new device, the old device wipes itself Feb 13 23:37:19 what really? Feb 13 23:37:23 rwhitby: only if it's connected to the network! haha! :) Feb 13 23:37:51 ajay: and only if the relevant lines have not been removed from the startup scripts and JS apps ... Feb 13 23:38:11 s/and/or/ Feb 13 23:38:21 so i can't have the same profile on my future pad and my future pre? Feb 13 23:38:33 i think that would be an 'or' instead of 'and only'.. funny because i was just wondering that Feb 13 23:38:41 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/272941-i-have-web-os-2-0-my-sprint-palm-pre.html Feb 13 23:38:48 joetweeply: future behaviour is in no way related to current behaviour. Feb 13 23:38:55 hp didn't say anything about multiple profile signin (For phone and pad), i wonder.. Feb 13 23:38:55 oh okay Feb 13 23:39:16 ajay: the fine print on tap to share says you need to be using the same profile on both Feb 13 23:39:47 rwhitby: need? interesting! that's good that you can do it.. Feb 13 23:39:52 oh wait, to use tap-to-share?! that's bogus Feb 13 23:40:17 why bogus? how else will it automatically authenticate without user interaction? Feb 13 23:40:20 * ajay says, to every palm silver lining, there's a black cloud Feb 13 23:40:32 how'd he get webos2 on his pre? Feb 13 23:40:35 rwhitby: what if I want to bump my contact info to you, or the website i'm looking at? etc Feb 13 23:40:54 dumbledore: by using an illegally leaked NDA-covered webOS doctor Feb 13 23:41:07 ajay: that's not touch to share, that's something else. Feb 13 23:41:14 there's no authentication needed for tapping-to-share.. for SMSs, phone calls, etc, yeah.. but that's what the bluetooth auth is for Feb 13 23:41:28 undercovah doctah Feb 13 23:42:28 ajay: bluetooth auth is too complicated for the average user Feb 13 23:42:34 rwhitby: something else? Feb 13 23:42:51 rwhitby: I'm pretty sure the pad and phone authenticate via bluetooth Feb 13 23:42:51 that's why touch to share relies on same profile authentication Feb 13 23:43:12 and possibly transfer info too Feb 13 23:43:16 rwhitby: it same profile? Feb 13 23:43:18 ajay: right, but the authentication is done over the touch to share link, not by the user typing in stuff. Feb 13 23:43:20 rwhitby: oh Feb 13 23:43:26 i thought tap-to-share required pairing before hand Feb 13 23:43:35 oil: fine print on the press release says so Feb 13 23:43:47 so, you couldnt share a url with a friend Feb 13 23:43:50 i really don't think any authentication to share a link with my friend's veer/pre3 is necessary Feb 13 23:43:54 * rwhitby notes that press release fine print always has the most correct information that no-one ever notices Feb 13 23:44:14 * oil leaves the fine print to rwhitby Feb 13 23:44:16 ajay: palm disagrees with you according to the press release fine print Feb 13 23:44:36 ajay: anyway, that's what neato! is for Feb 13 23:44:47 when I say "is necessary," I mean what oil said Feb 13 23:44:58 so, the same profile on both devices Feb 13 23:45:05 buy once run on both? Feb 13 23:45:06 ++ Feb 13 23:46:30 since i just won the auction, what advantages does the pre have over the pixi Feb 13 23:46:40 oil: yeah, my question is whether app devs get paid twice by HP Feb 13 23:46:47 probably not Feb 13 23:46:50 and thats ok Feb 13 23:46:59 because 99% of the time its the same person Feb 13 23:48:20 it should just be once Feb 13 23:48:42 * rwhitby notes that there will be "awesome warez profiles" going for sale on certain chinese web sites as soon as that feature is released ... Feb 13 23:49:10 you think they would let hte same profile be installed on 200 pads? Feb 13 23:49:43 oil: 200 pads, one after the other, the next logging out the previous ... Feb 13 23:50:05 so once you log out its whiped Feb 13 23:50:07 wiped*( Feb 13 23:50:16 or log in on another pad, its wiped Feb 13 23:50:24 no? Feb 13 23:50:32 why would the apps stick around after the profile is gone? Feb 13 23:50:39 they dont now Feb 13 23:52:52 am i missing something that makes you think there would be "awesome warez profiles"? Feb 13 23:53:27 oil: stopping the wipe is easy. therefore there will be "awesome warez profiles" Feb 13 23:53:42 it is? Feb 13 23:54:01 yeah. obviously I'm not going to say exactly how here :) Feb 13 23:54:05 lol Feb 13 23:54:19 but even if it leads to the profile problem Feb 13 23:54:27 i still dont think the same user should need to pay twice for the same app Feb 13 23:54:34 just to use it on both their devices Feb 13 23:54:45 maybe thats just me Feb 13 23:55:01 oil: I guess it all depends on what the app catalog agreement says. some folks may have priced for one device rather than one user Feb 13 23:55:32 obviously Preware Homebrew Documentation was priced per-user ;) Feb 13 23:55:41 so you would charge more for your app if they could use it on multiple devices? Feb 13 23:55:43 really? Feb 13 23:55:52 not me. some folks. Feb 13 23:56:43 it's common practice. e.g. windows, macosx, ... Feb 13 23:57:12 I don't exactly think that's a bad thing... Feb 13 23:57:16 have two versions... Feb 13 23:57:18 well, an os is different then programs that run on it Feb 13 23:57:21 one single user, and one multiuser Feb 13 23:58:43 * Orithma listens to the crickets. Feb 14 00:00:11 damn why did i enable that media sync, it's annoying.. :) Feb 14 00:00:16 (that it comes up) Feb 14 00:18:57 illegally leaked sprint 2.0 doctor you say? Feb 14 00:20:00 timmy's fallen down the well?! Feb 14 00:20:22 what are the advantages of owning a pre over a pixi Feb 14 00:20:46 sorry to get off topic :P just really excited right now Feb 14 00:22:03 you can run all the apps that exist for webos 1.4.5 Feb 14 00:22:11 more screen Feb 14 00:22:21 better page renderin' Feb 14 00:22:29 wifis Feb 14 00:22:47 GBs Feb 14 00:22:50 all of the anger Feb 14 00:24:24 Adora: Nice! Feb 14 00:24:41 lol Feb 14 00:24:46 i mean mod-wise Feb 14 00:24:53 im happy that i can use it as a flashlight Feb 14 00:25:15 i was getting pissed the times where i needed one and my pixi couldnt do it Feb 14 00:26:06 Tibfib: whad I do? Feb 14 00:26:16 Koto Player! Feb 14 00:26:32 =] Feb 14 00:27:24 the pre has more space than the pixi?? Feb 14 00:27:40 yeah i didn't even see her come in.. ;^) Feb 14 00:28:25 Adora: do you like it? any ideas for improvment? Feb 14 00:28:33 announcing what is playing on twitter = unfollow :) Feb 14 00:28:54 oil: I know, but I had to test the feature! Feb 14 00:29:04 Adora: how's things? Feb 14 00:29:08 * oil lets it slide once :) Feb 14 00:29:14 I only have two songs on my device for testing, all my music is in the cloud Feb 14 00:29:15 oil: funny enough. I don't like song tweeting :) Feb 14 00:29:29 so uhh, maybe make koto work with grooveshark or something Feb 14 00:29:31 heheheh Feb 14 00:29:40 rwhitby: is it safe to come out of hiding yet? Feb 14 00:29:49 lol. did that groovee developer get permission? Feb 14 00:29:53 or did he just make it? Feb 14 00:29:56 Adora: for those below exec level, it's always been safe ;) Feb 14 00:30:20 Adora: the crying in #webos seems to have stopped Feb 14 00:30:22 Tibfib: no permission, and didn't stay live for long because the official app came out right after Feb 14 00:30:38 Adora: sigh. If I got permission, I would totally add grooveshark Feb 14 00:30:50 rwhitby: below exec level?? Pshhhhhhhhhh Feb 14 00:31:36 bbl, dishes Feb 14 00:35:54 @adora! Feb 14 00:36:16 wait where do you keep your cloud music? Feb 14 00:36:37 I'm completely out of space on my pre and would like to hold more photos on it Feb 14 00:36:38 grooveshark Feb 14 00:36:41 oh Feb 14 00:36:41 :( Feb 14 00:37:01 I use flickr / flickr mundo for photos Feb 14 00:37:09 I hate storing anything on my device Feb 14 00:37:25 I see Feb 14 00:37:37 speaking of grooveshark, a friend of mine had coded a downloader Feb 14 00:37:48 on webOS? Feb 14 00:37:57 nope. Feb 14 00:38:00 pc Feb 14 00:38:30 I gotta figure out how to have an ampache server Feb 14 00:38:43 mac setup looked complicated Feb 14 01:22:52 are there any other from-home streaming solutions for webos besides ampache Feb 14 01:25:13 Adora: thanks for approving koto Feb 14 01:29:48 hey Jakeeeee, long time no chat Feb 14 01:38:39 tibfib Feb 14 01:38:41 i miss you Feb 14 01:39:05 get a laser sight Feb 14 01:39:23 lol Feb 14 01:39:57 you're so busy with koto and i can't test it so i'm in limbo Feb 14 01:40:02 got bored so i got on IRC Feb 14 01:41:27 plus i think i might make a theme for Spaz Feb 14 01:41:42 nice Feb 14 01:41:59 you DEFINITELY should make a spaz theme Feb 14 01:42:10 you've been really involved with that..i wasn't really sure why Feb 14 01:42:13 funkatron wants more before he sells the pro one Feb 14 01:42:29 I've been contributing to spaz for a bit Feb 14 01:42:31 i didn't know twitter clients were your ally Feb 14 01:42:35 alley* Feb 14 01:42:49 hah. I'll work on almost anything :) Feb 14 01:42:52 Tibfib is an app whore Feb 14 01:43:03 * Tibfib bows head in shame Feb 14 01:43:10 EUGH! Feb 14 01:43:11 heh Feb 14 01:43:21 disgusting! Feb 14 01:43:40 i can't believe people get paid to make apps ;P Feb 14 01:43:46 the whores Feb 14 01:44:08 * Tibfib started getting paid for the first time a few days ago Feb 14 01:44:24 Hahah, effing right! Feb 14 01:44:39 HP webOS on the Grammy's. :P Feb 14 01:44:53 the terrible voice commercial? Feb 14 01:45:11 No, just an unmentioned product placement. Feb 14 01:45:22 oh, what device? Feb 14 01:45:26 They have this lady at a desk giving the run down of what's coming up... Feb 14 01:45:31 and she has a TouchPad Feb 14 01:45:43 that ellen k thing? Feb 14 01:45:45 just now? Feb 14 01:45:49 Then the go to this supposed screen shot of it.... Feb 14 01:45:49 * sugardave rewinds. Feb 14 01:45:50 Yeah. Feb 14 01:46:09 If she's some super-blonde thing. Feb 14 01:46:15 yeah, about to see it Feb 14 01:46:34 cool, didn't even notice that Feb 14 01:46:50 * AproposTS has eyes like a hawk, apparently. Feb 14 01:46:56 my 2 cents for the HP everybody on commerical Feb 14 01:47:00 the song sucked Feb 14 01:47:13 thats about it.. Feb 14 01:47:14 lol Feb 14 01:47:19 I thought the song was fine.. the voice was awful Feb 14 01:47:25 maybe thats what it was Feb 14 01:47:38 It *was* horrible; this 'Have attractive people with the product' strategy is way better. Feb 14 01:48:02 Also, you don't do that to Lou Reed & the Velvet Underground or whoever. Feb 14 01:48:29 I mean, every time I hear that sample I think about transvestites. Feb 14 01:49:28 * sugardave tweets to Ellen K asking her what her neat device is. Feb 14 01:50:17 tibfib on a side note, what kind of theme should i make for spaz? i don't know who's made what, so i don't wanna make like a dark theme if someone else has. also is there anything special outside of the fact that i've never used spaz before that i need to know? the guide to making themes seemed pretty straight forward Feb 14 01:50:18 But Tibfib: You're right, the lyrics and ideas were fine; but not with that song. Feb 14 01:51:24 Jakeeeee: I would say a red background one.. or another dark one Feb 14 01:51:33 there is the dark default one Feb 14 01:51:51 similar to the phnx app's red color? Feb 14 01:51:53 or like RED Feb 14 01:52:18 whatever you want Feb 14 01:52:20 word. Feb 14 01:52:28 AproposTS: yeah Feb 14 01:53:50 bbiab Feb 14 01:54:10 Jakeeeee: do whatever you feel like doing. make another blue one.. or another light one.. totally up to you Feb 14 01:54:24 i'll package this version and see what we got and see what ideas i have Feb 14 01:56:14 you know what patch i really like, the Circle Battery patch that just kind of came out Feb 14 01:57:29 also question guys, i don't think the novacom drivers are registering on Linux(which is what i'm on right now, i normally use Windows for command line) and I can't do palm-install etc Feb 14 01:57:35 how do i check/install? Feb 14 01:59:05 scratch that i think i just found it on developer.palm.com Feb 14 02:18:15 fail Feb 14 02:18:25 gonna go now.. Feb 14 02:18:46 my pre1 renders less particles than android w/ sprite.js Feb 14 02:19:03 android? Feb 14 02:19:09 my nook? Feb 14 02:19:18 my droid eris? Feb 14 02:19:28 I bet it destroys both of those pigs Feb 14 02:22:26 really wish the puppy wouldnt lay on my arm when im working.. Feb 14 02:22:31 i can barely move it Feb 14 02:24:20 haha yeah, pets are disastrous to productivity like that...pets and girlfriends Feb 14 02:26:11 tibfib, for some reason whenever i package Spaz(the one i downloaded from funkatrons website), it won't launch, just glows Feb 14 02:26:22 oh Feb 14 02:26:36 wait, the github source won't launch? Feb 14 02:26:44 or an ipk you downloaded from funkatron's site won't launch? Feb 14 02:27:29 github source i believe Feb 14 02:28:42 should i look for a different one? Feb 14 02:30:11 got it i figured out why. i gotta put in twitter auth config things Feb 14 02:32:06 heh Feb 14 02:33:42 Jakeeeee2: sent Feb 14 02:34:01 got it Feb 14 02:34:36 thanks brah Feb 14 02:34:46 yep Feb 14 02:36:18 hey are these credentials username specific? Feb 14 02:36:56 what do you mean? Feb 14 02:37:07 xTwit credentials for CONSUMER_KEY Feb 14 02:37:25 i think i finally found a library i can use to canvas'ize my game. was making my own but thats lame, this one appears to do everything i need Feb 14 02:37:42 you need xAuth access to use xTwitter Feb 14 02:38:14 Jake_M: what ar eyou talking about? Feb 14 02:38:20 the file I sent you? Feb 14 02:38:23 correct Feb 14 02:38:32 those credentials, are they username specific? Feb 14 02:38:34 just put it in the app folder and you are good to go Feb 14 02:38:37 no need to edit anything Feb 14 02:38:42 i can't login is what i mean sorry Feb 14 02:39:19 in spaz/ Feb 14 02:39:20 ? Feb 14 02:39:24 correct Feb 14 02:39:42 application keys arent tied to user accounts (other than the owner of that twitter application) but they dont limit access Feb 14 02:39:44 hmm, it should work? Feb 14 02:39:53 it says verification failed when i tried to login Feb 14 02:40:03 and i've typed everything in correctly Feb 14 02:40:25 :/ Feb 14 02:40:43 is spaz in the homebrew feeds? Feb 14 02:42:13 Orithma: ping Feb 14 02:42:16 its in app catalog Feb 14 02:42:27 yeah Feb 14 02:42:33 let me try here Feb 14 02:42:37 SineOt: Pong XD Feb 14 02:42:50 I thought I said "no" to being in homebrew feeds Feb 14 02:42:55 sorry Feb 14 02:42:58 lol Feb 14 02:43:44 ooh Feb 14 02:43:45 http://labs.skookum.com/demos/barcampclt_physics/ Feb 14 02:43:49 it verified on the app catalog Feb 14 02:43:53 Physics for Lazy Game Developers ;D Feb 14 02:44:21 i'll just be illegal and go into media/cryptofs and steal it Feb 14 02:46:31 Jake_M: the thing I sent should work. Feb 14 02:46:41 it works on my phone.. Feb 14 02:47:08 all i did was save from the file you sent me to the app folder and overwrote the original Feb 14 02:47:20 dawm|laptop: canvas stuff? Feb 14 02:47:27 yeah Feb 14 02:47:52 i would have already had my game in the catalog if i wasnt trying to mess with canvas and make it 'pretty' Feb 14 02:48:01 what game? Feb 14 02:48:03 but its hard to animate explosions ;p Feb 14 02:48:07 another block game Feb 14 02:48:14 Jake_M: overwrote what original? Feb 14 02:48:24 there was a file called auth_config.js in the github source Feb 14 02:48:35 there was auth_config-sample ? Feb 14 02:48:43 actually it was called auth_config_sample of which i changed to auth_config, didn't work, so i overwrote using what you sent me Feb 14 02:50:26 dawm|laptop: is that what most animations are in webOS canvas? or css transitions? Feb 14 02:50:44 ive never used animations Feb 14 02:50:50 * Tibfib has Feb 14 02:50:55 but only simple ones Feb 14 02:51:00 swap&drop just has position movements Feb 14 02:51:01 like opacity fading in/out Feb 14 02:51:06 most are css Feb 14 02:51:10 * Tibfib should learn canvas Feb 14 02:51:15 cloudhopper is canvas Feb 14 02:51:22 you made cloudhopper? Feb 14 02:51:24 no Feb 14 02:51:32 didn't think so.. Feb 14 02:51:40 but I could have been wrong Feb 14 02:51:44 speaking of which, it seems he dropped off the map Feb 14 02:51:47 * Tibfib often is Feb 14 02:52:04 just swap&drop (prejeweled), mycokerewards, and ringwhere beta (which is currently stalled) Feb 14 02:52:28 hey if you have a castle-linux and emulator started, can you specify which one to palm-install to? Feb 14 02:52:35 yeah Feb 14 02:52:42 palm-install -d tcp for emu Feb 14 02:52:44 -d tcp for emulator i believe Feb 14 02:52:49 -d usb for device Feb 14 02:52:59 what's the biggest tile set swap and drop can go? Feb 14 02:53:00 well it defaults to device so Feb 14 02:53:09 pre Feb 14 02:53:11 tile set? like board size? Feb 14 02:53:13 oh lol Feb 14 02:53:15 yeah Feb 14 02:53:20 how many by how many? Feb 14 02:53:20 whatever its configured for ;p Feb 14 02:53:26 app is 8x8 Feb 14 02:53:30 but it could go 20x20 Feb 14 02:53:34 nice Feb 14 02:53:36 it autoresizes too Feb 14 02:53:43 trying trial now Feb 14 02:53:44 i didnt have to do much for pixi Feb 14 02:53:50 i havent touched that in ages heh Feb 14 02:53:59 first webos app, first dive into javascript Feb 14 02:54:08 code works but is horrible Feb 14 02:54:15 i cant even get bonus pieces working ;p Feb 14 02:54:17 sounds like Mind Master Feb 14 02:54:28 odd Feb 14 02:54:51 dawm: so full version can go 20x20? Feb 14 02:54:55 the next game (still deciding on the name) has bonus pieces and achivements Feb 14 02:54:56 no Feb 14 02:55:00 max is 8x8 Feb 14 02:55:05 aww Feb 14 02:55:06 but the code can support whatever (iirc) Feb 14 02:55:17 dawm|laptop: you should increase it Feb 14 02:55:20 i think the trial is locked to 7x7 Feb 14 02:55:29 I want at least 12 or so :/ Feb 14 02:55:32 heh Feb 14 02:55:38 I'll buy it if you do Feb 14 02:55:41 tap/drag area gets decreased Feb 14 02:55:45 tibfib i got it to work using the old one so we're good. Feb 14 02:55:50 sweet Feb 14 02:56:50 dawm|laptop: actually I might buy it anyway.. but bigger game sizes would be awesome Feb 14 02:56:59 it needs a serious rewrite Feb 14 02:57:12 but it won me predevcamp and hotapps Feb 14 02:57:26 nice Feb 14 02:59:03 * oil won hotapps too Feb 14 02:59:04 LOLS Feb 14 02:59:14 * Tibfib was like 230th Feb 14 02:59:16 oil is legit Feb 14 02:59:26 i wouldnt have furniture in my house if i didnt win hotapps ;p Feb 14 02:59:55 i wouldnt have this house if it wasnt for swap&drop helping me fund my downpayment (which wasnt much) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 14 02:59:57 2011