**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 14 02:59:57 2011
Feb 14 02:59:58 * Tibfib was hoping for 2.0 hot apps competition
Feb 14 03:00:03 <oil> and the app i won with i havent touched since the end of 09
Feb 14 03:00:11 <Tibfib> oil: blocked? or dot game?
Feb 14 03:00:15 <oil> dot game
Feb 14 03:00:26 <Jake_M> oil doesn't touch many of his apps :P
Feb 14 03:00:31 <dawm|laptop> if i had mycokerewards thought of back then, i would have won twice
Feb 14 03:00:52 <SineOt> I'd love to see a Hot Apps 2 contest
Feb 14 03:00:59 <SineOt> because I'm actually a developer this time!
Feb 14 03:01:00 <oil> oh, id love to get money, too
Feb 14 03:01:04 <Tibfib> SineOt: of 2.0 only apps!
Feb 14 03:01:09 * Tibfib kids
Feb 14 03:01:12 <Tibfib> sucks no one has 2.0
Feb 14 03:01:20 * oil makes dotgame 2.0 by letting you play in dockmode
Feb 14 03:01:25 <Jake_M> i want 2.0 because that means i'd get koto
Feb 14 03:01:39 <dawm|laptop> technically all apps are 2.0 ;p
Feb 14 03:02:00 <Tibfib> well.. something special
Feb 14 03:02:12 <Tibfib> actually it could be anything
Feb 14 03:02:19 <Tibfib> I just want people to be able to buy koto
Feb 14 03:02:35 <Jake_M> :S i just installed the EXACT same thing i did on the emulator to my other palm pre...doesn't work lol
Feb 14 03:03:07 <Tibfib> :/
Feb 14 03:03:17 <Jake_M> i will conquer this
Feb 14 03:03:17 <SineOt> Jake_M: welcome to why Enyo runs in the browser :Q
Feb 14 03:03:27 <Jake_M> wait what
Feb 14 03:03:38 <Jake_M> can you only verify xTwit on one device?
Feb 14 03:03:55 <Tibfib> dawm|laptop: want a tester for your new app?
Feb 14 03:04:08 <Jake_M> dawm i'll test it if its 1.4.5-able
Feb 14 03:04:48 <dawm|laptop> ill let ya know
Feb 14 03:05:10 <dawm|laptop> Jake_M:  what are you doing?
Feb 14 03:05:22 <Jake_M> making a theme on Spaz
Feb 14 03:05:26 <dogdaysrevisited> anyone here?
Feb 14 03:05:31 <dawm|laptop> why do you keep saying xTwit?
Feb 14 03:05:37 <Jake_M> Spaz uses xTwit
Feb 14 03:05:42 <Jake_M> instead of OAuth
Feb 14 03:05:44 <haeffb> PSA: .bind() is a Prototype function
Feb 14 03:05:51 <Jake_M> but installing it to my device has been less than successful, however i did get it to work on the emulator
Feb 14 03:05:54 <Tibfib> haeffb: really?
Feb 14 03:06:01 <haeffb> yerp
Feb 14 03:06:05 <Tibfib> so we need to use .bindAsEventListener()?
Feb 14 03:06:10 <haeffb> nerp
Feb 14 03:06:21 <haeffb> there might be an xxxx.bind
Feb 14 03:06:26 <haeffb> if there were an xxxx
Feb 14 03:06:27 <dawm|laptop> well xAuth is just a special thing twitter added to their OAuth implementation
Feb 14 03:06:32 <Tibfib> hacknperl: gotcha
Feb 14 03:06:40 <Tibfib> .. and got you too haeffb
Feb 14 03:07:03 <Jake_M> alright
Feb 14 03:07:52 <dawm|laptop> i made xTwitter, but im pretty sure spaz doesnt use it
Feb 14 03:08:03 <Jake_M> screw it i'll just edit the themes on the emulator
Feb 14 03:08:33 * Tibfib thinks using emu would be easier anyway
Feb 14 03:08:54 <Jake_M> did i say xTwitter? i meant xAuth
Feb 14 03:09:01 <Jake_M> emu is unintuitive
Feb 14 03:09:14 <dawm|laptop> :) thats why i kept asking you questions heh
Feb 14 03:09:23 <Jake_M> where did i hear xTwitter? :S
Feb 14 03:09:31 <dawm|laptop> from tibfib prolly
Feb 14 03:09:34 <dawm|laptop> he uses it in koto
Feb 14 03:09:37 <Jake_M> thats what it was
Feb 14 03:09:39 <Tibfib> probably
Feb 14 03:09:42 <Jake_M> tibfib the whore
Feb 14 03:09:48 <Jake_M> it was in my news feed
Feb 14 03:09:57 <Tibfib> :O
Feb 14 03:10:09 <Jake_M> OH i can just eclipse
Feb 14 03:10:10 <dawm|laptop> nyceane gave me access to the facebookconnect github
Feb 14 03:10:15 <Jake_M> it packages/installs easy
Feb 14 03:10:20 <Tibfib> perfect lib for simple usage like I need in Koto
Feb 14 03:10:22 <dawm|laptop> might try and see if its possible to make it more transparent
Feb 14 03:10:22 <oil> yeah
Feb 14 03:10:33 <Jake_M> what can we gain from the Facebook connect? logging into accounts?
Feb 14 03:10:37 <dawm|laptop> Tibfib: yeah, i only needed to follow and tweet
Feb 14 03:10:42 <dawm|laptop> posting to peoples walls
Feb 14 03:10:48 <dawm|laptop> like iphone apps/games do
Feb 14 03:11:02 <Jake_M> uh..
Feb 14 03:11:04 <Tibfib> I should make a "follow @Koto_Player" popup in Koto when you enter in your creds
Feb 14 03:11:08 <oil> Tibfib just uses it to make people follow him
Feb 14 03:11:13 <Tibfib> it's true
Feb 14 03:11:14 <Jake_M> tibfib you never post from Koto :P
Feb 14 03:11:24 <Tibfib> that's why I made koto. to get more followers
Feb 14 03:11:33 <Tibfib> Jake_M: yeah.. I probably should
Feb 14 03:11:34 <dawm|laptop> you can add it to your help/about/credits
Feb 14 03:11:40 <dawm|laptop> thats what my intentions were
Feb 14 03:11:49 <oil> lol
Feb 14 03:12:36 <dawm|laptop> i wanted my lib for achievement/high-score spam :P
Feb 14 03:13:06 * oil unfollows spammers
Feb 14 03:13:23 <oil> more then 1 foursquare tweet in a day = unfollow
Feb 14 03:13:28 * oil doesnt care where you are
Feb 14 03:13:28 <oil> lol
Feb 14 03:13:39 <halfhalo> "Im eating toast"
Feb 14 03:13:43 <halfhalo> "Now eggs"
Feb 14 03:13:50 <halfhalo> "Now brushing my teeth"
Feb 14 03:13:52 <dawm|laptop> hah i only do it if im somewhere out of the norm, and i try not to do it on twitter only facebook
Feb 14 03:14:26 <Jake_M> tibfib how can i add a theme selector in Spaz 2.0.2? should i juts copy the folders from the 2.0.4 folder?
Feb 14 03:14:26 <Tibfib> Jake_M: there, sent out 2 tweets from koto
Feb 14 03:14:35 * Tibfib wonders if oil is following him
Feb 14 03:14:43 <Tibfib> Jake_M: follow the instructions
Feb 14 03:14:48 <oil> apparently not
Feb 14 03:14:52 <halfhalo> dundundun
Feb 14 03:15:10 <Tibfib> well. lemme read the instructions. I'll see if it says how to do that
Feb 14 03:15:10 <dawm|laptop> gnite
Feb 14 03:15:14 <Tibfib> adios!
Feb 14 03:15:25 <Jake_M> no no no, like i'm having to use 2.0.2(the one in the app catalog) because the one with the theme selector is 2.0.4, and doesn't work
Feb 14 03:15:44 <Tibfib> oh. I think you NEED 2.0.4
Feb 14 03:15:48 <Jake_M> i know!
Feb 14 03:16:06 <Jake_M> i mean i don't mind editing the Dreadnaught theme
Feb 14 03:16:15 <Jake_M> similar to what i did with theming Mojo Messenger
Feb 14 03:16:20 <Jake_M> i just took your default css and modified
Feb 14 03:17:12 <Tibfib> Jake_M: so where are you now? 2.0.4 does not work, and 2.0.2 works?
Feb 14 03:17:16 <Jake_M> correct
Feb 14 03:17:25 <Jake_M> and i was wondering if its possible to just copy the preferences  scene from the 2.0.4 folder to the 2.0.2 folder
Feb 14 03:17:47 <Tibfib> it may be more complicated
Feb 14 03:17:54 <Tibfib> I'm emailing you a zip of my spaz source
Feb 14 03:18:19 <Tibfib> with the koto theme btw
Feb 14 03:18:33 <Jake_M> groovy
Feb 14 03:18:48 <Jake_M> what the hell
Feb 14 03:18:49 <Jake_M> nevermind
Feb 14 03:19:01 <Jake_M> don't bother emailing, i just updated to 2.0.4 on the emu and it works
Feb 14 03:19:09 <Tibfib> too late
Feb 14 03:19:25 <Tibfib> well it's still uploading attachments. so I'll cancel
Feb 14 03:19:26 <Jake_M> i may try using your file on my phone later then
Feb 14 03:19:30 <Jake_M> nevermind
Feb 14 03:19:32 <Jake_M> lol
Feb 14 03:19:36 <Tibfib> lol. do you want it or not?
Feb 14 03:19:42 <Jake_M> nah its fine
Feb 14 03:19:46 <Jake_M> thanks though, sorry for the bother
Feb 14 03:19:56 <Tibfib> no worries
Feb 14 03:20:15 <Tibfib> hmm, never noticed that person before
Feb 14 03:20:18 <Jake_M> i really like the clean theme
Feb 14 03:20:42 <Jake_M> i think i may work with that instead of Dreadnaught
Feb 14 03:21:02 <Tibfib> best tower defense game?
Feb 14 03:21:05 <Tibfib> Jake_M: do it
Feb 14 03:21:14 <Tibfib> I'm actually not the biggest fan of the clean theme. not sure why
Feb 14 03:21:25 <Tibfib> I like the dreadnaught one
Feb 14 03:21:43 <Tibfib> and koto one of course :)
Feb 14 03:21:50 <Jake_M> send me your koto theme
Feb 14 03:21:55 <Tibfib> BAH
Feb 14 03:21:57 <SineOt> for some reason I don't think HP Administrators would be using an iPod Touch from Fort Worth TX :p
Feb 14 03:22:03 <Jake_M> I LIKE KOTO
Feb 14 03:22:07 <Jake_M> ogsh
Feb 14 03:22:07 <Jake_M> gosh
Feb 14 03:22:11 <Tibfib> lol. Jake_M: resending email :)
Feb 14 03:22:35 <Tibfib> want ipk or source?
Feb 14 03:23:00 <Jake_M> source
Feb 14 03:23:15 <Jake_M> is there any way to import the Spaz folder as a workspace and be able to package it using Eclipse?
Feb 14 03:23:30 <Tibfib> Jake_M: I think so.. haven't used eclipse in a while
Feb 14 03:23:39 <Tibfib> it's uploading the attachment, will send soon
Feb 14 03:28:01 <Jake_M> i think i figured it out
Feb 14 03:28:24 <Jake_M> yeah i got it. nice!
Feb 14 03:32:46 <Tibfib> thanks!
Feb 14 03:35:36 <Tibfib> 'night everyone
Feb 14 03:35:49 <Jake_M> later dude
Feb 14 03:47:31 <bmidgley> what is the homebrew app that lets me install homebrew stuff right from the phone
Feb 14 03:48:01 <oil> preware
Feb 14 03:48:32 <Jake_M> lol
Feb 14 03:48:39 <Jake_M> filecoaster ;P
Feb 14 03:51:00 <bmidgley> hmm, rwhitby & gang gave us preware at the nyc event
Feb 14 03:51:09 <bmidgley> filecoaster does the same?
Feb 14 03:52:39 <Jake_M> lol i was kidding. use preware for sure.
Feb 14 03:54:28 <bmidgley> too bad, can't use linux to get preware on a pre2
Feb 14 03:54:51 <Jake_M> theres instructions right?
Feb 14 03:55:26 <bmidgley> the linux driver needs to be updated for webos2
Feb 14 03:56:17 <bmidgley> anyone seen a bt dun client for webos? I don't have a data plan for this one
Feb 14 03:57:25 <rwhitby> bmidgley: the linux novacom driver for pre 2 is only available under NDA for some inexplicable reason
Feb 14 03:57:37 <rwhitby> email pdc@palm.com for it
Feb 14 03:57:57 <bmidgley> thx
Feb 14 03:58:32 <Jake_M> rwhitby, do you have the css file for preware for the App Catalog Blue&green themes that makes the dropdown menus Transparent/their color?
Feb 14 03:59:10 <rwhitby> Jake_M: anything I have for Preware is in the git repo. there are no other files, since it's open source.
Feb 14 03:59:15 <Jake_M> thank you
Feb 14 04:08:44 <sugardave> hmm, openDatabase claims "not enough arguments" yet there are the same amount I always use
Feb 14 04:23:31 <Jake_M> whats the sym key on the emu?
Feb 14 04:25:54 <LadyGaga> printf("%s, what's up?", 'Hey");
Feb 14 05:46:23 * gour has just seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9YqlmM8zw (Hitler learns HP's latest WebOS plans)
Feb 14 05:56:22 <oil_pre> gour: yeah, that's hilarious
Feb 14 05:56:48 <gour> oil_pre: and sad as well :-(
Feb 14 05:56:56 <rwhitby> I was surprised how little Hitler knew about WebOS Internals and overclocking though.
Feb 14 05:57:05 <oil_pre> lol
Feb 14 05:57:19 <rwhitby> I must sack our PR manager again ...
Feb 14 05:57:26 <halfhalo> awwww
Feb 14 06:06:45 <summatusmentis> maybe this is a stupid question, but is there a way to stop my Pre from syncing with Palm/HP?
Feb 14 06:07:07 <summatusmentis> or have people looked into hosting your own sync server, instead of Palm/HP?
Feb 14 06:07:39 <rwhitby> just don't put anything in your palm profile, turn off backups, and disable the upload daemon.
Feb 14 06:08:01 <gour> this syncing feature does not work with any linux client?
Feb 14 06:08:43 <rwhitby> no, just use google syncing for PIM data
Feb 14 06:09:07 <rwhitby> the syncing he is talking about is things like locations of icons on your launcher screen
Feb 14 06:12:15 <summatusmentis> is there a way to re-direct the syncing? I know it'd require a replication of a server interface
Feb 14 06:12:41 <rwhitby> the server implementation is proprietary
Feb 14 06:12:49 * gour would like org-mode/mobile.org for webos
Feb 14 06:13:15 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: yes, could it be clean-roomed?
Feb 14 06:13:54 <gour> rwhitby: what do you mean 'google-syncing? having all pim data in gmail?
Feb 14 06:14:18 <SineOt> Google Calendar, Google Contacts, etc
Feb 14 06:14:26 <summatusmentis> I'm just wondering about hosting my own data, or what have you
Feb 14 06:14:31 <gour> ahh..ok
Feb 14 06:16:28 <rwhitby> gour: webOS syncs with many things other than the Palm servers.  Most people don't use the Palm servers for much at all.
Feb 14 06:16:34 * gour keeps such data in private
Feb 14 06:16:58 <rwhitby> google already knows it all, so they might as well do the backups too
Feb 14 06:17:03 * rwhitby bbl
Feb 14 06:20:57 <gour> hmm - http://soltesza.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/the-biggest-mistake-palm-has-made-with-webos/
Feb 14 06:36:55 <oil_pre> gour: I didn't read the whole, but he seems to be mad there is no good syncing for linux on webos?
Feb 14 06:37:14 <oil_pre> he could have made an app to do it, or got a dev to make one
Feb 14 06:37:49 <gour> oil_pre: correct...i also do not like cloud for storing my data...well, i use tarsnap for my email, but it's encrpyted
Feb 14 06:43:26 <oil_pre> I use an app that runs what I assume is a little webserver to sync with outlook
Feb 14 06:45:08 <gour> well, i use linux and plan to move to freebsd..
Feb 14 06:46:59 <oil_pre> so write a little app to sync it :)
Feb 14 06:47:55 <oil_pre> I'm sure other linux users would us it too
Feb 14 06:50:02 * gour would like to see JPilot for webOS, but the main developer bought Android phone :-(
Feb 14 07:54:21 <joebpre> hola
Feb 14 07:55:07 <hotdp> jo
Feb 14 07:55:16 <joebpre> you guys see all that hp/webos commericals at the grammys
Feb 14 07:55:22 <hotdp> nope
Feb 14 07:55:40 <joebpre> Had a computer webos
Feb 14 07:55:44 <joebpre> a pre
Feb 14 07:56:03 <joebpre> and some wireless printing going on
Feb 14 07:56:15 <joebpre> kinda cool
Feb 14 08:23:03 <Orithma> anyone here deal with media management in linux?
Feb 14 08:23:11 <Orithma> audio/video alike
Feb 14 08:23:25 * gour does some video editing in cinelerra/openshot
Feb 14 08:24:15 <Orithma> i was thinking more along the lines of media library's contain music and dvd/bdrom encodes
Feb 14 08:26:20 <gour> ahh..not much to handle here...video is archived on tapes with bacula...audio is not so big
Feb 14 09:20:49 <MrDex> Good morning. This might not be the correct channel, but I am looking for a palm emulator for PALM TX/T5. I found one named POSe, but it only lists older models
Feb 14 09:21:59 <hotdp> it is not the correct channel
Feb 14 09:28:48 <MrDex> Can you suggest another channel where I might get some help ?
Feb 14 09:32:51 <hotdp> maybe palm :D
Feb 14 09:33:18 <MrDex> Ill try. Thank you. This was the only chan google gave me :)
Feb 14 09:40:43 <Orithma> nautilus just got it's wires crossed and copied a file from my server... the original file was 50mB and when it was copied over, it was 29.5GB
Feb 14 09:40:46 <Orithma> wtf.
Feb 14 11:13:37 <rwhitby> gour: it is true that there is no good desktop syncing for webOS devices.  HP/Palm will never do it, cause it is completely against the webOS message of doing things in the cloud.  So if that is important to someone, they need to choose another OS or do it themselves.
Feb 14 11:14:12 <rwhitby> BTW, where does your bank store your data?  In the cloud ... ;)
Feb 14 11:15:00 <KittyHello> rwhitby - isn't there programs like "the missing sync" that seem to work fine?
Feb 14 11:15:10 <KittyHello> Outlook ->USB->WebOS device?
Feb 14 11:16:15 <gour> rwhitby: well, does cloud means google? my bank's data are not very private and probably not acceesible by google as well
Feb 14 11:17:56 <gour> rwhitby: i'm actually curios what is any option for cloud syncing?
Feb 14 11:54:27 <Tibfib> yay, koto is in teh catalog
Feb 14 12:12:59 <hotdp> by Tibfib :D
Feb 14 12:13:28 <hotdp> bitshifter..
Feb 14 12:38:45 <hotdp> Tibfib: did you choose 2.0 as minimum req men submitting the app
Feb 14 12:59:12 <CTLAdvance> I think he had to
Feb 14 13:00:21 <hotdp> i just wonder why he alspo writes it in the description then ?
Feb 14 13:02:00 <CTLAdvance> Intel just proved that meego is still a joke :/ no wonder Nokia left it behind.
Feb 14 13:02:09 <hotdp> <>?
Feb 14 13:02:41 <CTLAdvance> TO make sure no one accidentally purchases it on a device that is running a version of an OS that does not exist?
Feb 14 13:04:02 <hotdp> what are you reading?
Feb 14 13:08:28 <CTLAdvance> Was looking over intels meego stuff from MWC
Feb 14 13:08:37 <hotdp> k
Feb 14 13:08:45 <CTLAdvance> but my last sentence was in response to your question
Feb 14 13:09:03 <hotdp> now it makes sense
Feb 14 13:09:30 <hotdp> but how could he puchases if he has a lower os in req?
Feb 14 13:10:27 <CTLAdvance> Actually
Feb 14 13:10:34 <CTLAdvance> Its only saying what os you tested
Feb 14 13:10:41 <gour> CTLAdvance: so, intel is giving up on meego as well
Feb 14 13:10:44 <CTLAdvance> you have to limit it by device and I dont think pre2 is an opotion
Feb 14 13:10:53 <CTLAdvance> gour where did you see that>
Feb 14 13:10:54 <CTLAdvance> ?
Feb 14 13:11:05 <CTLAdvance> meego really was a joke/mistake imo
Feb 14 13:11:10 * gour is reading WOR site...it looks very good
Feb 14 13:11:34 <CTLAdvance> what looks good? Meego?
Feb 14 13:11:55 <gour> CTLAdvance: you wrote: "Intel just proved that meego is still a joke"
Feb 14 13:12:14 <CTLAdvance> For a tablet/phone OS yes they did
Feb 14 13:12:22 <CTLAdvance> Might as well still use windows
Feb 14 13:12:22 <gour> no, webOS & webos-internals - i just read about http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/hp-makes-investment-in-homebrew-community/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+webosroundup+%28webOSroundup%29
Feb 14 13:12:34 <CTLAdvance> oh ok
Feb 14 13:12:44 <CTLAdvance> Yeah the server is great news
Feb 14 13:13:22 <gour> it's nice to see that HP gives support to this community project and does not make it harder
Feb 14 15:34:58 <CTLAdvance> Wow, IE9 on wp7
Feb 14 15:37:39 <CTLAdvance> and now wp7 has a cards view...
Feb 14 15:37:47 <CTLAdvance> lol..
Feb 14 15:38:33 <CTLAdvance> its going to be an interesting year for mobile tech
Feb 14 15:41:02 <hotdp> omgomgomg
Feb 14 15:41:10 <hotdp> Palm did something right
Feb 14 15:41:20 <halfhalo> lies
Feb 14 15:43:18 <CTLAdvance> yes, then they forgot to file a patent?
Feb 14 15:43:26 <CTLAdvance> :)
Feb 14 15:44:12 <gour> how is unicode support in webos-2.x?
Feb 14 15:47:19 <funkatron> gour: okay. still not great
Feb 14 15:47:26 <funkatron> it does japanese fine
Feb 14 15:47:35 <gour> utf-8?
Feb 14 15:47:41 <funkatron> yeah
Feb 14 15:48:02 <funkatron> but for ex, arabic doesn't display
Feb 14 15:48:06 <funkatron> it just shows nothing
Feb 14 15:48:13 <gour> i was confused with http://pdnblog.palm.com/2010/12/webos-character-sets/
Feb 14 15:48:20 <funkatron> I htink it's an issue with the typefaces
Feb 14 15:48:39 <gour> hoping it's not true that e.g. to use croatianm, one needs iso8859- stuff :-/
Feb 14 15:48:52 <funkatron> I've never had to fool with char sets
Feb 14 15:49:06 <funkatron> or say, setting it to be anything other than UTF-8
Feb 14 15:49:29 <gour> that's what i expect as well
Feb 14 15:49:30 <funkatron> do you have a page you want me to look at on my device?
Feb 14 15:49:46 <gour> iso8859 should be burried deep in the ground :-)
Feb 14 15:50:22 <funkatron> yes
Feb 14 15:51:02 <gour> all in all, i like many things about webos...i might buy veer or pre3 and try to write something for it
Feb 14 15:52:41 <joetweeply> aw man.... still no mail for my early access :/
Feb 14 15:53:59 <joetweeply> talking about developing for the pre... i made a research today finding out... the best path to starting mobile development is the palm... was before and still is, in spite of all the bad news lately
Feb 14 15:54:48 <hotdp> joetweeply: how many work days has passed?
Feb 14 15:55:23 <gour> joetweeply: i'm coming to the same conclusion, although i hoped moblin/meego would move a little bit more further
Feb 14 15:55:27 <joetweeply> i sent out the mail on thursday
Feb 14 15:55:45 <hotdp> så friday is the only day
Feb 14 15:55:47 <hotdp> thats 1 day
Feb 14 15:55:53 <joetweeply> for games it seems to be windows phone... who would have guessed that
Feb 14 15:55:59 <funkatron> yeah, give it until like, this thursday
Feb 14 15:56:02 <funkatron> then follow up
Feb 14 15:56:05 <hotdp> doe to time differences the day today has not started yet
Feb 14 15:56:09 <joetweeply> mhkay
Feb 14 15:56:13 <joetweeply> so it's waiting
Feb 14 15:56:15 <hotdp> chill
Feb 14 15:56:23 <funkatron> yeah it's only 7:56a at PalmHQ
Feb 14 15:56:37 <joetweeply> it's just that i have holidays this week.. and was eager to get my hands into enyo
Feb 14 15:56:51 <hotdp> then you should have applied 2 month ago
Feb 14 15:56:53 <funkatron> haha
Feb 14 15:56:56 <funkatron> I hear ya man
Feb 14 15:57:07 <joetweeply> shoulda coulda.... ya i know i'm dumb :/
Feb 14 15:57:07 <funkatron> patience is a virtue though 8D
Feb 14 15:57:25 <gour> what's the usual license for opens-source/free webos apps?
Feb 14 15:57:33 <joetweeply> a virtue best served cold... i know
Feb 14 15:57:35 <funkatron> there are several to choose from
Feb 14 15:58:43 <gour> bsd?
Feb 14 15:58:51 <funkatron> gour: it depends a lot on what you want to let people do with your code
Feb 14 15:59:02 <funkatron> or have to do with your code.
Feb 14 15:59:15 <funkatron> I use a "New BSD" license
Feb 14 15:59:20 <oil> preware/etc = gpl
Feb 14 15:59:32 <funkatron> I also like MIT and Apache licenses.
Feb 14 15:59:43 <oil> all patches are on MIT
Feb 14 16:00:05 <funkatron> I avoid GPL personally because of the viral nature. I don't want to impose them on other coders. but again, depends on what you want.
Feb 14 16:00:15 <gour> well, for one app (which on the desktop needs C-lib), it should be gpl, but i'm not sure whether JS would be quick enough for that
Feb 14 16:00:56 <funkatron> if you want to force other devs to give away their changes as you have, GPL is prob your choice
Feb 14 16:01:44 <funkatron> that may limit the code's usefulness for some peopel
Feb 14 16:01:45 <funkatron> people
Feb 14 16:02:00 <gour> in this case, C-lib uses gpl, so no other choice
Feb 14 16:02:07 <funkatron> oh yes then def
Feb 14 16:02:10 <gour> gplv2+
Feb 14 16:02:15 <funkatron> that's another issue with GPL
Feb 14 16:03:41 <gour> this page http://webos101.com/Getting_Started says vbox is requirement to develop. why?
Feb 14 16:03:52 <funkatron> so you can run the emulator
Feb 14 16:04:01 <funkatron> if you have enyo tho, that is no longer necessarily the case
Feb 14 16:04:33 <joetweeply> but you can't test mojo without the emulator, right?
Feb 14 16:04:47 <funkatron> well. I guess you could just on the device but that sounds like more pain
Feb 14 16:04:58 <funkatron> so yeah, Mojo requires webOS to run
Feb 14 16:05:02 <funkatron> Enyo does not
Feb 14 16:05:28 <gour> good
Feb 14 16:05:37 <joetweeply> so enyo is a js framework?
Feb 14 16:05:47 <funkatron> yes
Feb 14 16:05:50 <joetweeply> okay
Feb 14 16:06:06 <funkatron> So is Mojo. but Mojo effectively only runs on webOS
Feb 14 16:06:13 <gour> i'll wait a bit before asking for dev account...have to learn some JS 1st
Feb 14 16:06:28 <funkatron> that's a good idea
Feb 14 16:06:37 <funkatron> Eloquent JavaScript is a nice book for that
Feb 14 16:06:46 <joetweeply> gour: dev account is free... also is the early access ... so why not getting the account now, so you don't have to wait to get your hands on
Feb 14 16:06:51 <gour> i've 'good parts' :-)
Feb 14 16:07:00 <funkatron> eh, good parts is not a great learning book
Feb 14 16:07:05 <joetweeply> well i learned the deeper javascript starting with mojo
Feb 14 16:07:07 <funkatron> it also is pretty opinionated. 8D
Feb 14 16:07:10 <joetweeply> before that i just knew basics
Feb 14 16:07:21 <funkatron> anyway, this: http://eloquentjavascript.net/
Feb 14 16:07:55 * gour is dl-ing book
Feb 14 16:08:37 <gour> joetweeply: my plate is full atm...need to start working on desktop app in D 1st
Feb 14 16:09:09 <joetweeply> sure do whatever you like... just saying you could do it now to avoid waiting time later on
Feb 14 16:09:24 <joetweeply> it's not like you have to pay anything or do anything
Feb 14 16:09:55 <funkatron> yeah, no harm in filling out the form and getting it done with
Feb 14 16:10:02 <gour> i thought there won't bewaiting later...now
Feb 14 16:10:04 <funkatron> although then there's the temptation of fooling wiht it 8D
Feb 14 16:10:25 <gour> btw, nice that teh book is available as printed one...i like books
Feb 14 16:10:44 <funkatron> yeah, and it's revised. I did buy it, just to support it after I read the original and liked it
Feb 14 16:10:50 <joetweeply> for early access there is waiting
Feb 14 16:10:53 <joetweeply> none for developer account
Feb 14 16:11:05 * gour also like to support such books
Feb 14 16:12:56 <gour> hopefully. my exposure to haskell will help with JS
Feb 14 17:01:42 <sugardave> Good Parts -> Nutshell -> Good Parts (again)
Feb 14 17:01:46 <sugardave> very helpful
Feb 14 17:05:28 <funkatron> man, I never recommend Good Parts as a learning book
Feb 14 17:06:29 <funkatron> I think it's good to read, but…
Feb 14 17:08:00 <sugardave> it was recommended to me WAY back when I didn't know anything
Feb 14 17:08:15 <funkatron> yeah, I just don't think it's a great starter book
Feb 14 17:09:00 <funkatron> it's really opinionated, and while I think Crawford is very smart and has tons of great ideas, I don't necessarily agree with all of them
Feb 14 17:09:38 <sugardave> blasphemer
Feb 14 17:09:41 <funkatron> hahah
Feb 14 17:09:58 <funkatron> I just think it should be like, your third book
Feb 14 17:10:06 <sugardave> what is #2?
Feb 14 17:10:09 <CTLAdvance> opinionated books = bad for starters.
Feb 14 17:10:23 <funkatron> I like eloquent javascript and JavaScript: The Definitive Guide
Feb 14 17:10:25 <CTLAdvance> Good for making a drone army of mindless coders
Feb 14 17:10:38 <funkatron> then probably JavaScript Patterns
Feb 14 17:10:45 <funkatron> so maybe #4?
Feb 14 17:10:53 * sugardave makes notes.
Feb 14 17:10:57 <funkatron> what CTLAdvance said
Feb 14 17:11:22 * CTLAdvance highfives funkatron
Feb 14 17:11:30 <funkatron> ^5
Feb 14 17:12:00 <CTLAdvance> funkatron - are you familiar with licensing uising phone gap?
Feb 14 17:12:17 <funkatron> do you mean the license phonegap uses?
Feb 14 17:13:07 <CTLAdvance> yes, and does it require a developer to release their own JS and HTML as open source... aside from just there use of the phone gap base
Feb 14 17:13:17 <funkatron> no
Feb 14 17:13:18 <funkatron> http://www.phonegap.com/license
Feb 14 17:13:21 <gour> "definitive guide" is, iirc, quite heavy book, >1k pages
Feb 14 17:13:31 <funkatron> gour: indeed, it is definitive
Feb 14 17:13:36 <sugardave> heh
Feb 14 17:14:18 <gour> for now, i'll go through eloquent one...~220p
Feb 14 17:14:54 <CTLAdvance> so basically you have to put out a notice in your base that the software uses the phonegap codebase and note there license, either bsd or mit
Feb 14 17:17:46 <funkatron> yes, jut put a copy of their license in your codebase
Feb 14 17:19:00 * gour told his linux friend some stuff about webos today (preware, no need for jailbreaking etc.) and he is impressed...wanted meego..now he considers webos phone
Feb 14 17:21:07 <CTLAdvance> Funkatron - Then do I put our general license as well for our JS/HTML?
Feb 14 17:21:19 <funkatron> I would think you do
Feb 14 17:21:35 <funkatron> you should always include a license for your code if you're going to release it
Feb 14 17:27:45 <CTLAdvance> Thanks Funkatron
Feb 14 17:27:50 <funkatron> you bet
Feb 14 17:28:33 <sugardave> oh no
Feb 14 17:28:42 * sugardave has never made a license.
Feb 14 17:32:55 <joebpre> yo
Feb 14 17:42:34 <CTLAdvance> hmm...
Feb 14 17:43:02 <sugardave> sweet, I just won my first Twitter contest
Feb 14 17:43:14 <sugardave> PS3 DC Universe Online
Feb 14 17:43:18 <hotdp> eh?
Feb 14 17:43:35 <sugardave> somebody I am following had a copy to give away
Feb 14 17:43:40 <sugardave> I won :)
Feb 14 17:44:07 <hotdp> what did you do ?
Feb 14 17:44:31 <sugardave> copy/pasted his 'reply with this' thing
Feb 14 17:44:41 <sugardave> but now I have to figure out his email address :/
Feb 14 17:44:54 <hotdp> tweet him and ask :P
Feb 14 17:45:05 <sugardave> Oh, I get it
Feb 14 17:45:08 <sugardave> pcgamer.com
Feb 14 17:46:44 <hotdp> coolæ
Feb 14 17:47:17 <sugardave> hotdp: how is it going?
Feb 14 17:47:35 <hotdp> fine thanks, looking on houses atm
Feb 14 17:47:39 <hotdp> you?
Feb 14 17:47:57 <sugardave> doing well, thanks...sitting on my ass
Feb 14 17:48:33 <hotdp> is that not a normal situation ? :D
Feb 14 17:48:48 <sugardave> haha, very normal
Feb 14 17:50:22 <geeksquadkid> sugardabe: as opposed to sitting on....?
Feb 14 17:50:27 <geeksquadkid> dave*
Feb 14 17:50:34 <hotdp> sugardave: http://www.boligfyn.dk/index.php?id=64&?sagsid=80520090&m=1615&DID=140&udbudsform=salg
Feb 14 17:51:32 <hotdp> i know you don't understand, but the images should be ok P
Feb 14 17:51:46 <sugardave> hotdp: man, nice house...looks big
Feb 14 17:52:05 <sugardave> my wife would die for that refrigerator in the wall
Feb 14 17:52:19 <hotdp> its not that big :)
Feb 14 17:52:24 <geeksquadkid> but its in the wall.
Feb 14 17:53:08 <hotdp> yer, i have never sin it in a wall before
Feb 14 17:53:23 <hotdp> not one that big
Feb 14 17:53:26 <sugardave> that's also a cool realty site
Feb 14 17:54:01 <geeksquadkid> so when we all invited to party?
Feb 14 17:54:02 <sugardave> 159 square maters?
Feb 14 17:54:12 <hotdp> yes
Feb 14 17:54:20 <hotdp> thats "normal" here i think
Feb 14 17:54:31 <hotdp> not small and not big
Feb 14 17:54:48 <geeksquadkid> sugardave you mean compared to feet?
Feb 14 17:55:05 <hotdp> But there is no walk-in closet for, not good for my gf :S
Feb 14 17:55:37 <geeksquadkid> thats about 1615 square feet
Feb 14 17:55:39 <sugardave> yeah, do you do straight meter -> feet conversion when talking about area? or is there some weird shit
Feb 14 17:55:44 <sugardave> okay
Feb 14 17:56:10 <geeksquadkid> you gotta remember a meter is like 3.somethign feet
Feb 14 17:56:22 <sugardave> that's about the size of my house, plus your lot is large AND the neighbor's house is a good distance
Feb 14 17:56:31 <geeksquadkid> ^second that notion
Feb 14 17:56:46 <hotdp> yer
Feb 14 17:56:46 <geeksquadkid> deuces got class
Feb 14 17:56:57 <hotdp> do you think your house is to small sugardave `?
Feb 14 17:57:00 <sugardave> no
Feb 14 17:57:25 <hotdp> but i guess the style in USA is a little different :P
Feb 14 17:57:38 <sugardave> yeah, you have more space in that one, I think
Feb 14 17:57:43 <sugardave> plus it's 3 of us
Feb 14 17:57:49 <sugardave> + 4 cats and a dog
Feb 14 17:58:36 <sugardave> is it your first home purchase?
Feb 14 17:59:09 <hotdp> yer
Feb 14 17:59:15 <sugardave> cool
Feb 14 17:59:19 <hotdp> have a rented apartment
Feb 14 17:59:33 <hotdp> Have been waiting for my gf to finish her education
Feb 14 17:59:43 <sugardave> nice
Feb 14 17:59:43 <hotdp> she finished last month
Feb 14 18:05:16 <sugardave> nice article: http://top10.com/mobilephones/news/2011/02/top_10_reasons_why_the_hp_touchpad_is_better_than_the_ipad/
Feb 14 18:05:51 <hotdp> yer but just hope the price is right
Feb 14 18:05:56 <hotdp> dont set it to hight
Feb 14 18:07:29 <sugardave> what do you think is too high?
Feb 14 18:08:33 <hotdp> more then ipad
Feb 14 18:08:47 <sugardave> hmm, that's going to be tough
Feb 14 18:08:51 <hotdp> i would be happy to see it 100 buks lower then apple
Feb 14 18:09:03 <hotdp> the same price OK
Feb 14 18:09:07 <hotdp> higher NOT good
Feb 14 18:09:18 <deliciousmorsel> same price would be ok if they released it today
Feb 14 18:09:20 <hotdp> i buy anyway BUT many people would choose ipad
Feb 14 18:09:30 <hotdp> yer
Feb 14 18:09:40 <deliciousmorsel> but who knows what hte new iPad will have …
Feb 14 18:09:44 <deliciousmorsel> could make you rethink that
Feb 14 18:09:51 <hotdp> yes
Feb 14 18:10:05 <deliciousmorsel> who wrote that top10
Feb 14 18:10:08 <deliciousmorsel> its completely flawd
Feb 14 18:10:26 <deliciousmorsel> just like my spelling is
Feb 14 18:10:55 <deliciousmorsel> we all know webos is slow as hell compared to other operating systems, when using the same processors and ram
Feb 14 18:11:15 <deliciousmorsel> so evne with the faster proc and ram… it will only start comparing to android or ios
Feb 14 18:15:33 <jjore> I just had a heck of a weekend transcoding videos to my palm. Among other issues, the machine advertises it handles x264 but apparently not the x264 that handbrake creates.
Feb 14 18:17:10 <funkatron> h264 encoding varies dramatically
Feb 14 18:17:25 <funkatron> hence different profiles for diff devices in HB
Feb 14 18:17:25 <jjore> I thought it was a standard.
Feb 14 18:17:31 <funkatron> aaaahhhhh hahahahah
Feb 14 18:17:33 <funkatron> yeha.
Feb 14 18:17:44 <funkatron> well, there's "standard" and there's "standard"
Feb 14 18:18:16 <jjore> Well, I'm a back-end programmer weenie. I don't know about how any of these video codecs work.
Feb 14 18:18:50 <funkatron> right
Feb 14 18:19:13 <jjore> I eventually got it to work by telling handbrake to encode for mpeg-4 with ffmpeg.
Feb 14 18:19:17 <funkatron> basically, yeah it's a standard, but most devices only play a subset of what's possible within the standard
Feb 14 18:20:31 <jjore> An interesting note, handbrake by default wanted to use 1000 kbps video bandwidth. I took a hint from the webpages I was googling and just "guessed" at a lower amount, like 400. That looks really nice.
Feb 14 18:20:50 <funkatron> right
Feb 14 18:20:59 <jjore> I went lower to 200 and it's pretty unattractive. Experimenting now to see how 300 goes.
Feb 14 18:21:00 <funkatron> you might save your profile as a preset and put it up someplace
Feb 14 18:21:03 <funkatron> like a wiki or something.
Feb 14 18:21:09 <funkatron> one of those internet things
Feb 14 18:24:14 <Adora> VPN lottery fail, I'm gonna have to get dressed and actually go to the office today
Feb 14 18:24:20 <Adora> this place SUCKS *ragequits*
Feb 14 18:24:25 <halfhalo> lol
Feb 14 19:02:38 <kevinskocik> hi
Feb 14 19:03:27 <halfhalo> hi
Feb 14 19:05:56 <kevinskocik> how's it goin
Feb 14 19:56:32 <Orithma> quiet day...
Feb 14 19:56:42 <Mousey> ssh!
Feb 14 19:56:56 <bigbash> ssh doesn't work here :)
Feb 14 19:56:58 * Orithma covers his mouth quickly.
Feb 14 20:18:21 <ajay_> howdy!
Feb 14 20:18:43 <dgathright> ajay_: yo
Feb 14 20:18:57 <ajay_> oo what's this about alien dalvik..
Feb 14 20:24:10 <dgathright> ajay_: Just read about it.  That's stupid.  Why create a clone of a clone of a language, just so you can run basic apps on yet another platform?  I think this is a testament to how Java's "write once run anywhere" promise has failed when compared to JavaScript.
Feb 14 20:35:33 <Orithma> pc.net's MWC touchpad video... i'm kinda worried :\
Feb 14 20:35:37 <ajay_> nobody saw my away msgs right?
Feb 14 20:35:47 <ajay_> dgathright: I haven't read yet.. is that what it is??
Feb 14 20:35:51 <Orithma> why is there so much "don't touch moments" still with that device :\
Feb 14 20:36:56 <ajay_> oo, they're announcing other platform support "in the coming months".. i think we know what that means!  they're in contact with HPalm! ;^)
Feb 14 20:37:16 <dgathright> ajay_: Yeah, it's a port of Dalvik to non-Android devices, which allows them to run Android apps.
Feb 14 20:37:27 * Orithma stabs that tagline to the floor in attempt to kill it once and for all
Feb 14 20:38:07 <gour> polluting the eco-system?
Feb 14 20:39:07 <ajay_> dgathright: a port is not a clone of a clone
Feb 14 20:39:31 <ajay_> Orithma: Because they don't believe in optimizing code until they're done developing
Feb 14 20:40:47 <Orithma> ajay, i know... it was more of a rhetorical question...
Feb 14 20:41:13 <Orithma> but after some of the comments from HP about how the product is basically done and ready for shipment, you'd have thought they'd be in a rev freeze
Feb 14 20:41:17 <ajay_> Orithma: I just want everyone to be paying attention to this fact. Unacceptable.
Feb 14 20:41:48 <ajay_> basically done?  I've not seen that, instead I've seen the opposite of that said
Feb 14 20:42:26 <Orithma> yeah, i'm totally paraphrasing
Feb 14 20:42:38 <Orithma> maybe it's delusional wishful thinking :(
Feb 14 20:43:55 <ajay_> I just don't know what you're paraphrasing, i don't know where they've even hinted that they're done with anything yet..
Feb 14 20:45:41 <Orithma> it's the internet and it's palm/hp/webos ... the only place is (un)reputable blogs.
Feb 14 20:45:57 <Orithma> like i said, delusional wishful thinking
Feb 14 20:46:02 <ajay_> haha
Feb 14 20:46:10 <ajay_> i was just wondering if i missed something somewhere..
Feb 14 20:46:24 <Orithma> no, you're probably more educated on the subject than i am
Feb 14 20:47:01 <Orithma> afk a sec
Feb 14 20:47:32 <PatrickC_Pre> hay guys
Feb 14 20:48:15 <geeksquadkid> bleh my stupid pre is fighting me with this sftp stuff.
Feb 14 20:49:28 <dgathright> ajay_: By "port", I meant it's a Qt port of the Android VM.  By "clone of a clone" I meant Alien Davlik is a clone of Davlik, which is a clone of Java.  Clone is probably not the best term, you get my point though.
Feb 14 20:50:08 <PatrickC_Pre> I need help on a webview widget
Feb 14 20:50:24 <PatrickC_Pre> getting ready to upload the code to pastebin. what all do you guys need to help me? lol
Feb 14 20:50:32 * ajay_ sings "the hardest wiidget to widget"
Feb 14 20:50:55 <PatrickC_Pre> what ajay_ lol
Feb 14 20:50:56 <geeksquadkid> ajay_: lol
Feb 14 20:51:35 <geeksquadkid> anyone know anything about ssh'ing over evdo?
Feb 14 20:51:35 <ajay_> PatrickC_Pre: nothing to do with your work, just spewing nonsense :)
Feb 14 20:52:00 <ajay_> geeksquadkid: Hmm, I've tried to do it once I feel like i wasn't successful, but in theory it looked easy
Feb 14 20:52:02 <PatrickC_Pre> I know nothing about ssh'ing over anything :p
Feb 14 20:52:26 <ajay_> PatrickC_Pre: wow, how do you survive!
Feb 14 20:52:28 <ajay_> ;^)
Feb 14 20:52:32 <PatrickC_Pre> what code do you all need to help me with my webview widget? lol
Feb 14 20:52:42 <PatrickC_Pre> idk what ssh'ing is lol
Feb 14 20:52:48 <geeksquadkid> ajay_: I would just use wifi but at school my pre doesn't connect to the wifi because it's enterprise 2 >.<
Feb 14 20:52:54 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm still very new to coding :p
Feb 14 20:55:17 <sugardave> geeksquadkid: basically you need an sshd package, like dropbear or openssh running on the Pre
Feb 14 20:55:26 <sugardave> and then you need to know what port it is listening on
Feb 14 20:55:34 <sugardave> and then you need to know your evdo IP address
Feb 14 20:55:37 <PatrickC_Pre> hay sugardave!
Feb 14 20:56:15 <geeksquadkid> sugardave: I installed openssh via preware so now I just need to enable it right? and the port and IP idk how to do lol.
Feb 14 20:56:39 <geeksquadkid> can I just whatsmyip.org from my phone lol.
Feb 14 20:56:43 <sugardave> geeksquadkid: yeah, enable it...port DEFAULTS to 22, but rod and crew might have changed that
Feb 14 20:56:56 <sugardave> geeksquadkid: to get the IP, yes just any site that will show you your IP
Feb 14 20:57:11 <geeksquadkid> aight thanks!
Feb 14 20:57:29 <ajay_> PatrickC_Pre: ssh ssh is how you login to your device, over the net (as opposed to using novaterm, if you've used that)
Feb 14 20:57:53 <bigbash> ssh = secure shell
Feb 14 20:57:54 <PatrickC_Pre> I use novabrowser same thing/similar? lol
Feb 14 20:57:58 <sugardave> ssh means 'secure shell' and is what you should use to connect to remote systems instead of telnet
Feb 14 20:58:01 <ajay_> geeksquadkid: yeah you can whatismyip, and there's some tool to allow you login to one of those dyndns deals
Feb 14 20:58:35 <ajay_> geeksquadkid: there's a page, I believe on webos-internal's website, that tells you how to disable the firewall for ssh over WAN (evdo)
Feb 14 20:59:42 <ajay_> i don't know if I was even familiar with the nova-browser utility! ;^)
Feb 14 21:00:19 <ajay_> wow! that woulda been so useful so many times..! is that available in the Linux SDK? I don't see it installed..
Feb 14 21:00:26 <sugardave> novaterm
Feb 14 21:00:47 <sugardave> never heard of nova-browser, though
Feb 14 21:01:08 <ajay_> PatrickC_Pre: Look, you know something multiple of us don't!
Feb 14 21:01:19 <PatrickC_Pre> http://pastebin.com/i4FDyErb
Feb 14 21:01:22 <sugardave> not onmy Ubuntu, that's for sure
Feb 14 21:01:26 <ajay_> nor mine
Feb 14 21:01:36 <PatrickC_Pre> well, can someone who knows about webview help me with that lol
Feb 14 21:01:43 <PatrickC_Pre> it is on my windows SDK
Feb 14 21:01:51 <ajay_> i want!
Feb 14 21:01:58 <PatrickC_Pre> well, PDK portion
Feb 14 21:02:07 <PatrickC_Pre> its really nice
Feb 14 21:02:25 <PatrickC_Pre> basically, its Internalz for the PC
Feb 14 21:02:41 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: you have some issues
Feb 14 21:02:56 <PatrickC_Pre> where? I copied the code from the palm site
Feb 14 21:03:21 <sugardave> I think the format of your argument passing to setupWidget is broken
Feb 14 21:03:41 <oil> sugardave helpin with the mojos
Feb 14 21:03:50 * oil can tell because of setupWidget :)
Feb 14 21:04:00 <sugardave> it should be setupWidget(id, object, object) and not setupWidget(id, var = object, var = object)
Feb 14 21:04:03 <sugardave> oil: lol
Feb 14 21:04:37 <PatrickC_Pre> well, I see one problem now :)
Feb 14 21:04:52 <PatrickC_Pre> attributed instead of attributes
Feb 14 21:05:06 <PatrickC_Pre> but, what else is wrong with it?
Feb 14 21:05:09 <sugardave> doesn't matter
Feb 14 21:05:13 <sugardave> it's the format that is wrong
Feb 14 21:05:18 <sugardave> hang on and I will show you
Feb 14 21:05:35 <PatrickC_Pre> ok. as you can tell, I'm new to SDK programming
Feb 14 21:05:41 <PatrickC_Pre> I like ares better :p
Feb 14 21:06:50 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: http://pastebin.com/Rn7jpBRf look at lines 35-39 and compare to yours
Feb 14 21:09:10 <PatrickC_Pre> yours doesn't include the "this.attributes" part
Feb 14 21:09:10 <PatrickC_Pre> t
Feb 14 21:09:18 <sugardave> right
Feb 14 21:09:23 <PatrickC_Pre> is that what I was doing wrong?
Feb 14 21:09:25 <sugardave> because I'm just passing the object
Feb 14 21:09:31 <PatrickC_Pre> palm needs to update their site lol
Feb 14 21:09:31 <sugardave> which is what setupWidget wants
Feb 14 21:09:40 <sugardave> give me the link?
Feb 14 21:09:52 * oil wonders when sugardave is going to teach him and rwhitby enyo
Feb 14 21:10:11 <PatrickC_Pre> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1935&Itemid=239
Feb 14 21:10:12 <sugardave> oil: as soon as I finish ironing this elephant
Feb 14 21:10:49 <oil> what elephant?
Feb 14 21:10:57 <halfhalo> yourafant
Feb 14 21:10:59 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: meh, perhaps that format works, but I don't use it
Feb 14 21:11:24 <sugardave> if anything, I would make my own vars outside the call to setupWidget and keep them as references for later
Feb 14 21:11:42 <PatrickC_Pre> it didn't work for me
Feb 14 21:11:52 <PatrickC_Pre> you lost me after anything :p
Feb 14 21:12:22 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: you should check the webview page at webos101
Feb 14 21:12:39 <PatrickC_Pre> should I eventually see the site load? or do I need more?
Feb 14 21:12:39 <PatrickC_Pre> I will
Feb 14 21:14:05 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: assuming everything is set correctly, you should see the site load when you instantiate the widget (in the absence of network problems, of course)
Feb 14 21:14:40 <PatrickC_Pre> well, then, I must figure out what else is wrong
Feb 14 21:14:42 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 14 21:14:57 <PatrickC_Pre> cause it didn't display http://palm.com
Feb 14 21:17:50 <ajay_> gtg
Feb 14 21:17:54 <PatrickC_Pre> http://pastebin.com/55GZg1a
Feb 14 21:18:03 <PatrickC_Pre> would I be better off doing it like that?
Feb 14 21:18:31 <sugardave> that is empty/invalid
Feb 14 21:18:46 <PatrickC_Pre> then webos101 needs to be updated
Feb 14 21:18:53 <PatrickC_Pre> that's what I found there
Feb 14 21:18:57 <sugardave> http://webos101.com/WebView#Simple_Example
Feb 14 21:19:07 <PatrickC_Pre> that is where I found that
Feb 14 21:19:10 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: no your pastebin was empty/invalid
Feb 14 21:19:46 <PatrickC_Pre> oh, I'm gonna log onto freenode via thePC
Feb 14 21:20:52 <PatrickC_Home> ok
Feb 14 21:20:56 <PatrickC_Home> http://webos.pastebin.com/55TGZg1a
Feb 14 21:21:01 <PatrickC_Home> there is a link that should work
Feb 14 21:22:31 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: you know you have to change the assistant method name right?
Feb 14 21:22:36 <sugardave> to your assistant
Feb 14 21:22:49 <sugardave> SomeAssistant -> to somethingelse
Feb 14 21:23:14 <sugardave> and this example also requires that your webview widget in the html has an id of WebView
Feb 14 21:23:28 <sugardave> and a webview needs to be contained in a scroller widget
Feb 14 21:23:47 <PatrickC_Home> i knew about changing the someassistant thing
Feb 14 21:23:54 <PatrickC_Home> but forgot about the scroller part.
Feb 14 21:23:58 <PatrickC_Home> thats where i went wrong
Feb 14 21:28:07 <PatrickC_Home> so, should my HTML file look like which one?
Feb 14 21:28:09 <PatrickC_Home> http://webos.pastebin.com/ZHiTndGS
Feb 14 21:29:08 <sugardave> either one, but I'd use the second one to keep things simple
Feb 14 21:29:37 <PatrickC_Home> ok, ill try it and tell you how it works out
Feb 14 21:29:42 <PatrickC_Home> thanks for all the help :)
Feb 14 21:29:57 <oil> sugardave is pro
Feb 14 21:30:28 <PatrickC_Home> i know
Feb 14 21:30:29 * sugardave bows.
Feb 14 21:30:33 <PatrickC_Home> i am not
Feb 14 21:30:35 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 14 21:31:07 <oil> imagine how rich you would be if you got paid
Feb 14 21:31:25 <sugardave> no shit
Feb 14 21:31:29 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 14 21:31:50 <oil> "ill help you, but itl cost you 10% of your app revenue"
Feb 14 21:32:10 <joebpre> guys my battery
Feb 14 21:32:17 <joebpre> it's killing me
Feb 14 21:32:25 * oil goes back to work, bbl
Feb 14 21:32:31 <halfhalo> must be murder...
Feb 14 21:32:38 <Tibfib> joebpre: turn off data
Feb 14 21:32:45 <joebpre> at 11 it was 100% it's 1:32 and it's at 66%
Feb 14 21:33:09 <joebpre> Tibfib: how do I get text then and emails ?
Feb 14 21:33:27 <Tibfib> you don't need data to text
Feb 14 21:33:32 <Tibfib> you do need data for emails
Feb 14 21:35:27 <PatrickC_Home> wifi for emails
Feb 14 21:35:32 <joebpre> hmm
Feb 14 21:35:41 <Tibfib> my battery is at 56% after 12 hours with data usage every once in a while and a bit of texting with data off.
Feb 14 21:35:50 <joebpre> how about wircd and internet ?
Feb 14 21:35:50 <joebpre> Tibfib: what's the poit of data then ?
Feb 14 21:36:01 <Tibfib> I guess he'll never know
Feb 14 21:36:08 <PatrickC_Home> data is wifi when you have no wifi
Feb 14 21:36:13 <PatrickC_Home> oh, i guess he left.... lol
Feb 14 21:36:21 <sugardave> his battery died
Feb 14 21:36:34 <PatrickC_Home> probably
Feb 14 21:36:44 <PatrickC_Home> its still not working :/
Feb 14 21:37:09 <sugardave> is your scroller set up right?
Feb 14 21:37:17 <sugardave> it needs to have a height and width
Feb 14 21:37:27 <sugardave> (which I have always hated about scrollers)
Feb 14 21:38:00 <PatrickC_Home> is this suppost to look like this?
Feb 14 21:38:01 <PatrickC_Home> x: [DOMElement, DOMElement, DOMElement, ...]
Feb 14 21:38:11 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 14 21:38:27 <sugardave> no, like in the html or better in css, set the height and width of the scroller
Feb 14 21:38:56 <PatrickC_Home> that was in the javascript......
Feb 14 21:39:02 <sugardave> right
Feb 14 21:39:18 <PatrickC_Home> does that stay like that? lol
Feb 14 21:39:36 <sugardave> are you using another palm example?
Feb 14 21:40:08 <PatrickC_Home> yes...
Feb 14 21:40:13 <PatrickC_Home> i need to stop using those :p
Feb 14 21:40:30 <sugardave> http://webos101.com/Scroller
Feb 14 21:40:35 <sugardave> near the bottom shows some examples
Feb 14 21:40:50 <PatrickC_Home> i just found that
Feb 14 21:40:52 <PatrickC_Home> looking at it now
Feb 14 21:40:53 <Jake_M> wow..i've been trying to find a webos..repository or list for like all the widegets and examples
Feb 14 21:40:55 <Jake_M> thats so pefect
Feb 14 21:41:11 <Jake_M> its like the w3schools for webOS...wow
Feb 14 21:41:24 <sugardave> they're not all filled out, but we have some good things there
Feb 14 21:41:53 <PatrickC_Home> where do i put this?
Feb 14 21:42:02 <PatrickC_Home> this.controller.get("myScroller").setStyle({ height: this.controller.window.innerHeight + "px"}); this.controller.get("myScroller").setStyle({ width: this.controller.window.innerWidth + "px"})
Feb 14 21:42:12 <CTLAdvance-nook> test
Feb 14 21:42:20 <PatrickC_Home> once i edit it ;)
Feb 14 21:42:21 <CTLAdvance> test
Feb 14 21:42:25 <PatrickC_Home> ok
Feb 14 21:42:27 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 14 21:42:59 <sugardave> PatrickC_Home: probably .setup() or .activate()
Feb 14 21:43:11 <sugardave> anytime after setupWidget on the scroller
Feb 14 21:43:29 <PatrickC_Home> i am trying it now, where you put the events
Feb 14 21:45:38 <PatrickC_Pre> gettin read to try it
Feb 14 21:47:30 <PatrickC_Home_> not working
Feb 14 21:47:42 <PatrickC_Home_> ;(
Feb 14 21:47:50 <sugardave> bogus
Feb 14 21:48:06 <PatrickC_Home_> what?
Feb 14 21:48:35 <PatrickC_Home_> i'll upload what im using to pastebin
Feb 14 21:49:30 <PatrickC_Home_> http://webos.pastebin.com/dZRvr6MU
Feb 14 21:50:02 <Tibfib> what doesn't work?
Feb 14 21:50:14 <PatrickC_Home_> it doesnt load the webpage
Feb 14 21:50:24 <PatrickC_Home_> and i know that im on the internet
Feb 14 21:50:32 <PatrickC_Home_> as i am talking to u from the PC i am coding on
Feb 14 21:50:55 <Tibfib> you don't need a scroller
Feb 14 21:51:20 <PatrickC_Home_> sugardave said i did
Feb 14 21:51:24 <PatrickC_Home_> and i know in Ares u did
Feb 14 21:51:26 <Tibfib> sugardave lied
Feb 14 21:51:38 <PatrickC_Home_> well, it didnt work without the scroller
Feb 14 21:51:39 <PatrickC_Home_> i have tried it both ways
Feb 14 21:51:41 <Tibfib> hmm, well in the sdk you don't
Feb 14 21:51:58 <Tibfib> this.handleUpdate doesn't exist
Feb 14 21:51:59 <PatrickC_Home_> neither way works for me
Feb 14 21:52:24 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: is that the EXACT code?
Feb 14 21:52:26 <Tibfib> on pastebin?
Feb 14 21:52:41 <sugardave> lists and webviews are supposed to be in scrollers
Feb 14 21:52:45 <PatrickC_Home_> copied-pasted from Notepad++
Feb 14 21:53:01 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: line 23 gives a fatal error
Feb 14 21:53:13 <Tibfib> sugardave: are you sure?
Feb 14 21:53:16 <Tibfib> I don't think so
Feb 14 21:53:25 <PatrickC_Home_> what should it be?
Feb 14 21:53:27 <Tibfib> I've made apps with webview widgets and not scrollers
Feb 14 21:53:32 <sugardave> I am sure that I read it somewhere
Feb 14 21:53:38 <sugardave> now, it might have been incorrect
Feb 14 21:53:38 <PatrickC_Home_> that was a copy-paste from palm.com
Feb 14 21:53:47 <PatrickC_Home_> it might have been for Ares
Feb 14 21:53:48 <Tibfib> sugardave: well it has the scene scroller
Feb 14 21:53:55 <sugardave> ah
Feb 14 21:53:56 <PatrickC_Home_> cause, in ares, u need one
Feb 14 21:53:56 <sugardave> right
Feb 14 21:54:04 <sugardave> I usually disable my scene scroller
Feb 14 21:54:19 <Tibfib> http://webos.pastebin.com/MGnV250q
Feb 14 21:54:31 <sugardave> PatrickC_Home_: those elements you don't need them, try this: http://webos.pastebin.com/yLaXmQsG
Feb 14 21:54:32 <Tibfib> sugardave: ahh
Feb 14 21:55:06 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: don't use the scroller unless you are disabling the scene scroller
Feb 14 21:55:12 <Tibfib> and even then, I don't think you NEED a scroller
Feb 14 21:56:03 <Tibfib> not sure :?
Feb 14 21:56:06 <PatrickC_Home_> well, i never enabled the scene scroller
Feb 14 21:56:08 <Jake_M> in ares i'm pretty sure you have to add a scroller widget
Feb 14 21:56:10 <Tibfib> * :/
Feb 14 21:56:12 <PatrickC_Home_> is it enabled by default
Feb 14 21:56:14 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: it is enabled by default
Feb 14 21:56:16 <PatrickC_Home_> in ares you do
Feb 14 21:56:34 <sugardave> scene scroller is on unless you tell it no when you push the scene
Feb 14 21:56:56 <PatrickC_Home_> see, i have so much to learn outside of ares :p
Feb 14 21:57:13 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: http://webos.pastebin.com/R36C3wVV
Feb 14 21:57:29 <sugardave> PatrickC_Home_: holy crap, you know you have to "unlearn" all this stuff for Enyo, right? :D
Feb 14 21:57:47 <Jake_M> does Enyo use listeners?
Feb 14 21:57:54 <Jake_M> i think listeners are really unconventional
Feb 14 21:58:00 <sugardave> Jake_M: apparently not global listeners
Feb 14 21:58:13 <Tibfib> http://webos.pastebin.com/3MTdZidT this should work as is
Feb 14 21:58:17 <Jake_M> i was talking to Jason R and he said theres something about parameters or components
Feb 14 21:58:43 <sugardave> yeah, each component will have its own source and be re-usable, etc.
Feb 14 21:58:45 <PatrickC_Home_> man, i learn Ares, then I learn Mojo, now I have to learn Enyo?!?!?!
Feb 14 21:58:59 <PatrickC_Home_> cant they make a simple coding language? ;p;
Feb 14 21:59:02 <PatrickC_Home_> lol**
Feb 14 21:59:03 <Tibfib> although you'll probably want to bind this: http://webos.pastebin.com/L2K9EKVu ?
Feb 14 21:59:10 <Tibfib> javascript is a language
Feb 14 21:59:16 <Tibfib> mojo/ares/enyo are frameworks
Feb 14 21:59:24 <PatrickC_Home_> but it isnt simple :)
Feb 14 21:59:38 <sugardave> stripped down javascript is pretty simple, actually
Feb 14 21:59:39 <Tibfib> and I'm not even sure if ares is a framework in itself.. it is mojo
Feb 14 21:59:57 <sugardave> but very powerful
Feb 14 22:00:03 <sugardave> so it can get out of hand in a hurry
Feb 14 22:00:04 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: did it work?
Feb 14 22:00:37 <PatrickC_Home_> pluging in the code now
Feb 14 22:00:43 <PatrickC_Home_> trying the un-bound code first
Feb 14 22:01:25 <Tibfib> why?
Feb 14 22:01:26 <PatrickC_Home_> any idea when we are going to get a mobile site for developer.palm.com?
Feb 14 22:01:28 <Tibfib> you want it bound
Feb 14 22:01:34 <PatrickC_Home_> ohh ok
Feb 14 22:01:37 <PatrickC_Home_> ill try the bound then lol
Feb 14 22:02:04 <Tibfib> it isn't required, but it may save you a headache later on
Feb 14 22:02:53 <Tibfib> alright, I'm off.. bbl probably. homework time
Feb 14 22:03:00 <PatrickC_Home_> installing now
Feb 14 22:03:08 <PatrickC_Home_> im doing homework and this :p
Feb 14 22:03:37 <Tibfib> are you in 8th?9th?
Feb 14 22:03:50 <PatrickC_Home_> 9th
Feb 14 22:04:02 <PatrickC_Home_> howd u know? :p
Feb 14 22:04:08 <Tibfib> nice, yeah I coulda gotten away with programming and homework in 9th :)
Feb 14 22:04:20 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: you said your age the other day..
Feb 14 22:04:26 <Tibfib> okay, no I'm off
Feb 14 22:04:29 <Tibfib> now*
Feb 14 22:04:33 <PatrickC_Home_> well, im pretty behind :p
Feb 14 22:04:33 <PatrickC_Home_> oh yea lol
Feb 14 22:04:33 <Jake_M> i wish i had started JS when i was 13
Feb 14 22:04:38 <Jake_M> i did HTML and CSS
Feb 14 22:04:43 <PatrickC_Home_> im 14 :)
Feb 14 22:04:49 <Jake_M> JS is so hard for me to keep in my heaad
Feb 14 22:04:50 <PatrickC_Home_> i have been doing HTML for about 5 years
Feb 14 22:04:59 <PatrickC_Home_> i used to do it on http://neopets.com lol
Feb 14 22:05:14 <Jake_M> see these younger generations are allowed internet access younger, when i was 8, we had dialup and stuff still
Feb 14 22:05:16 <Jake_M> i'm 18 now
Feb 14 22:05:43 <PatrickC_Home_> well, i also have 2 webos phones :)
Feb 14 22:05:50 <PatrickC_Home_> still not working :/
Feb 14 22:05:53 <Jake_M> i have my dads old effed up pre if that counts
Feb 14 22:05:55 <joetweeply> dude what? it's kids in here?
Feb 14 22:05:58 <sugardave> hmm, maybe the scroller requirement is just or ares, but I thought it was Mojo period...oh well
Feb 14 22:06:27 <PatrickC_Home_> what is the best way to de-bug?
Feb 14 22:06:45 <deliciousmorsel> the best way?
Feb 14 22:06:49 <Jake_M> uh
Feb 14 22:06:49 <deliciousmorsel> don't write bugs.
Feb 14 22:06:52 <Jake_M> lol
Feb 14 22:06:52 <joetweeply> palm-log -f appname
Feb 14 22:06:53 <Jake_M> yes
Feb 14 22:06:57 * sugardave is freaking old.
Feb 14 22:07:08 <sugardave> when I was 8, we had 300 bps to COMPUSERVE
Feb 14 22:07:10 <Jake_M> speaking of bugs deliciousmorsel: Twee 2.0.1 ;P
Feb 14 22:07:12 <joetweeply> what you're 30 sugardave?
Feb 14 22:07:13 <sugardave> 300
Feb 14 22:07:20 <sugardave> that is twice as ast as TDD
Feb 14 22:07:53 <dawm> compuserve for dos?
Feb 14 22:07:59 <dawm> i had that for a period
Feb 14 22:08:03 <sugardave> heh
Feb 14 22:08:06 <sugardave> VIC 20
Feb 14 22:08:25 <sugardave> and an acoustic coupler setup for your modem
Feb 14 22:08:29 <deliciousmorsel> Jake_M: burned.
Feb 14 22:08:33 <PatrickC_Home_> i will copy what the comand line says and upload to pastebin
Feb 14 22:08:33 <deliciousmorsel> :(
Feb 14 22:08:39 <sugardave> dial the phone by hand, put the receiver onthe coupler
Feb 14 22:08:45 <Jake_M> burned?
Feb 14 22:08:53 * dohtem had to mail his bits to the NCSA!
Feb 14 22:08:58 <deliciousmorsel> yeah 2.0.1 has a few bugs
Feb 14 22:08:59 <sugardave> haha
Feb 14 22:09:08 <dawm> http://www.barrydegraaff.tk/software/history//IBM%20PS-2%20Model%2030.jpg
Feb 14 22:09:10 <dawm> i had that
Feb 14 22:09:15 <Jake_M> ha i was only kidding, twee is still my number 1 twitter client above any other
Feb 14 22:09:18 <dawm> until i fried the hdd by unplugging it while it was turned on ;p
Feb 14 22:09:23 <dawm> 720kb floppys..
Feb 14 22:09:31 <sugardave> nice
Feb 14 22:09:39 <sugardave> I bet it plays Commander Keen really well
Feb 14 22:09:40 <deliciousmorsel> i wish it made some decent cash
Feb 14 22:09:47 <deliciousmorsel> cause if it did … i'd be more compelled ot update it
Feb 14 22:09:50 <Jake_M> promote it more?
Feb 14 22:09:52 <dawm> yeah, i had all that shareware
Feb 14 22:09:54 <deliciousmorsel> i have a couple of themes written
Feb 14 22:09:54 <dohtem> sugardave: heh, commander keen in copyright infringement!
Feb 14 22:09:57 <deliciousmorsel> just not completed
Feb 14 22:10:00 <dawm> a friend of mine was on a mailing list ;p
Feb 14 22:10:01 <sugardave> dohtem: lol
Feb 14 22:10:02 <Jake_M> OOOOOH you get listed on appcitadel.com
Feb 14 22:10:07 <Jake_M> thats probably gonna get big soon
Feb 14 22:10:37 <Jake_M> i remember transporting my school projects on my 1.4 MB floppy disk
Feb 14 22:10:44 <sugardave> I would kill somebody for that keyboard
Feb 14 22:10:51 <Jake_M> that was the cool thing to do, was to have the coolest color floppy disk
Feb 14 22:11:03 <dohtem> Jake_M: remember the translucent ones?
Feb 14 22:11:11 <Jake_M> i never saw those actually
Feb 14 22:11:19 <PatrickC_Home_> dang, comand line locked up :(
Feb 14 22:11:32 <PatrickC_Home_> it loged, then stopped working
Feb 14 22:11:35 <sugardave> uh, we still had 5.25" actual FLOPPY disks when I was in school
Feb 14 22:11:45 <Jake_M> lol the big ones
Feb 14 22:11:47 <Jake_M> i've seen them
Feb 14 22:12:47 <PatrickC_Home_> finaly got it to respond
Feb 14 22:12:57 <PatrickC_Home_> here is the log http://webos.pastebin.com/D7vu5r6S
Feb 14 22:12:58 <PatrickC_Home_> brb
Feb 14 22:13:00 <dawm> our computers at school still booted off 5.25"
Feb 14 22:13:13 <dawm> made the teacher mad when we're format em :P
Feb 14 22:13:16 <Jake_M> deliciousmorsel, jaycanuck and i like to mod/patch Twee sometimes, and I've almost started writing a theme for it
Feb 14 22:14:01 <Jake_M> its still better than carbon, phnx, bad kitty, etc
Feb 14 22:14:43 <PatrickC_Home_> how come it thinks my WebView isnt set up?
Feb 14 22:14:51 <sugardave> boot floppies, Pascal for DOS, good times
Feb 14 22:15:04 <PatrickC_Home_> that was before my time :)
Feb 14 22:15:07 <PatrickC_Home_> way before
Feb 14 22:15:09 <PatrickC_Home_> lol
Feb 14 22:15:32 <Jake_M> damn kids
Feb 14 22:15:38 <sugardave> our monochrome monitors were black and amber, not that pedestrian black and green trash
Feb 14 22:15:54 <Jake_M> alright later dude!
Feb 14 22:15:56 <Jake_M> lol
Feb 14 22:16:05 <PatrickC_Pre> stupid Chrome! lol
Feb 14 22:16:10 <Jake_M> use Opera
Feb 14 22:16:10 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm still here
Feb 14 22:16:13 <Jake_M> just saying
Feb 14 22:16:20 <sugardave> use a dedicated client
Feb 14 22:16:24 <PatrickC_Pre> I use chrome cause Ares don't work in FF4
Feb 14 22:16:27 <sugardave> irssi works well
Feb 14 22:17:03 <PatrickC_Pre> when I use a client, I use XChat
Feb 14 22:17:14 <PatrickC_Pre> but I just didn't feel like using it today lol
Feb 14 22:17:44 <Jake_M> actually i kind of need to eat, high school SUCKS. later dudes
Feb 14 22:17:46 <lemketron> Ares is for webkit browsers.
Feb 14 22:17:58 <PatrickC_Home> and it doesnt work in FF4
Feb 14 22:18:06 <PatrickC_Home> but it worked in FF3 lol
Feb 14 22:19:18 <sugardave> lemketron: yet I can only make it work in FF ;)
Feb 14 22:19:34 <jjore> For any that are interested, I wrote up some notes on transcoding some DVDs for use on my Palm Pre at http://pastie.org/1564328.
Feb 14 22:19:35 <sugardave> Iron refuses to recognize that I really do have a Java plugin
Feb 14 22:19:47 <jjore> I don't know which wiki if any would be a right place to put that.
Feb 14 22:20:30 <sugardave> jjore: go make a page on webos101
Feb 14 22:20:55 * PatrickC_Home is in need of writers ;)
Feb 14 22:20:57 <PatrickC_Home> brb
Feb 14 22:23:03 <dohtem> So I started up a brand new pre plus (att) but it wont go past the palm boot logo, any ideas?
Feb 14 22:23:17 <PatrickC_Home> doctor?
Feb 14 22:24:03 <jjore> sugardave: what category should that go into? Miscellaneous?
Feb 14 22:24:08 <PatrickC_Home> wow, i havent touched the app in a while, and it still hasnt loaded the page :/
Feb 14 22:24:42 <sugardave> jjore: I'd just make a new page and link it from Misc or something like that
Feb 14 22:26:52 * sugardave has brain oozing out his ears.
Feb 14 22:27:38 <dohtem> hey the battery in the Veer is not removeable, right?
Feb 14 22:27:47 <sugardave> right
Feb 14 22:27:56 <dohtem> how do you go into recovery mode?
Feb 14 22:27:58 <PatrickC_Home> what!
Feb 14 22:28:03 <PatrickC_Home> that is stupid! lol
Feb 14 22:28:05 <sugardave> ooo, good question
Feb 14 22:28:28 <PatrickC_Home> how do u pull the battery to turn it off, or get serial numbers when it wont boot?
Feb 14 22:28:41 <sugardave> it "has no holes"
Feb 14 22:28:52 <dohtem> SN might be on the box
Feb 14 22:28:58 <PatrickC_Home> "has no holes" what do u mean?
Feb 14 22:29:02 <PatrickC_Home> it wont lock up? lol
Feb 14 22:29:03 <sugardave> no holes
Feb 14 22:29:06 <sugardave> there are no holes
Feb 14 22:29:08 <PatrickC_Home> or it will always boot? :)
Feb 14 22:29:10 <sugardave> it has no holes
Feb 14 22:29:20 <PatrickC_Home> i can make it not boot very easy lol
Feb 14 22:29:24 <sugardave> I don't know wtf it means, they just said it
Feb 14 22:29:34 <PatrickC_Home> wow
Feb 14 22:29:46 <PatrickC_Home> that was a very dumb move by palm
Feb 14 22:30:13 <sugardave> i.e. no headphone jack, no USB connector and, presumably, no crack in the case to open so you can get at the battery
Feb 14 22:30:24 <PatrickC_Home> yea
Feb 14 22:30:29 <PatrickC_Home> i dont like the headphone thing
Feb 14 22:30:34 <PatrickC_Home> that will easily come off in a pocket
Feb 14 22:30:38 <dohtem> I saw some guy get the sim card out at the dev event
Feb 14 22:30:49 <PatrickC_Home> oooo, there is a hole!
Feb 14 22:30:50 <sugardave> maybe there is something you can do with that weird attachment to make it reset
Feb 14 22:30:54 <PatrickC_Home> they were wrong! lol
Feb 14 22:30:55 <sugardave> dohtem: interesting
Feb 14 22:31:31 <dohtem> heh, and we timed the boot up.  2 mins and 37 secs, iirc
Feb 14 22:31:41 <PatrickC_Home> ahh
Feb 14 22:31:52 <PatrickC_Home> i am going to disect the app in the samples palm gives you
Feb 14 22:32:00 <PatrickC_Home> they have a webview one! yay! lol
Feb 14 22:33:04 <PatrickC_Home> wow.... my head hurts now
Feb 14 22:33:46 <PatrickC_Home> http://webos.pastebin.com/PfkQdZK4
Feb 14 22:33:59 <PatrickC_Home> that is the assistant for their webview thing...
Feb 14 22:34:09 <PatrickC_Home> it hurts to even look at it! lol
Feb 14 22:35:14 <PatrickC_Home> i am done coding for now
Feb 14 22:35:24 <PatrickC_Home> going to take a break, bbl probably
Feb 14 22:45:27 <joetweeply> so we are not given ANY update on more available services for all the old devices anytime?
Feb 14 23:06:33 <rwhitby> Adora: you've got an admirer: http://forums.precentral.net/2869263-post1267.html
Feb 14 23:08:47 <dgathright> lol
Feb 14 23:09:50 <sugardave> "the prototype of the prototype for this constructor"....boom, head explodes again
Feb 14 23:32:18 <sugardave> about to watch Watson take on Ken Jennings and the other super-Jeopardy guy
Feb 14 23:36:11 <dohtem> that's today?
Feb 14 23:36:20 <sugardave> it started today
Feb 14 23:36:22 * dohtem sets alarm reminder
Feb 14 23:36:26 <sugardave> we recorded it
Feb 14 23:40:00 <joetweeply> to alcohol
Feb 14 23:40:05 <joetweeply> because its alcohol
Feb 14 23:41:05 <sugardave> holy crap this isn't even close
Feb 14 23:41:13 <dohtem> NO SPOILERS!
Feb 14 23:41:21 <sugardave> I didn't say who :P
Feb 14 23:41:39 <dohtem> :)
Feb 15 00:12:32 <dohtem> Tibfib: ping
Feb 15 00:30:16 <haeffb> hello #webos
Feb 15 00:40:37 <joebpre> yo
Feb 15 00:41:07 <haeffb> I had a nice surprise in the mail today...
Feb 15 00:41:21 <joebpre> haeffb: did I tell you I love my pre ?
Feb 15 00:41:28 <haeffb> I never received the "free developer phone" from back in Oct/Nov
Feb 15 00:41:34 <joebpre> haeffb: tou get a pre 2
Feb 15 00:41:39 <haeffb> sent an email two weeks ago, got a pre2
Feb 15 00:41:49 <haeffb> surprise!
Feb 15 00:41:49 <joebpre> s/tou/you
Feb 15 00:42:09 <haeffb> joebpre: glad you like it!
Feb 15 00:42:15 <joebpre> oh nice :-)
Feb 15 00:42:49 <joebpre> haeffb: does it feel the same as the rest of the pres
Feb 15 00:43:13 <joebpre> wircd need spell check.. or I meed to make custom words
Feb 15 00:43:32 <sugardave> haeffb: nice!
Feb 15 00:43:50 <haeffb> i meed custom werds too
Feb 15 00:44:04 <joebpre> meed isn't one lol
Feb 15 00:44:13 <haeffb> yeah. and still have a coupon for a third.
Feb 15 00:45:21 <joebpre> do you have to be a bonified dev to get a pre 2 .. I'm signed up but don't code
Feb 15 00:46:52 <haeffb> joebpre: I got my first when I attended the dev day in NYC. That just cost $25 and expenses (travel, etc).
Feb 15 00:47:06 <haeffb> and didn't have to be a bonafied dev
Feb 15 00:47:46 <haeffb> the second was Palm's "free developer phone" program, and for that I had to submit an "application" listing current apps and future plans for webOS.
Feb 15 00:47:49 <dohtem> funkatron: PM?
Feb 15 00:47:56 <funkatron> go for it
Feb 15 00:48:01 <sugardave> they even let haeffb SPEAK at dev day for Pete's sake ;)
Feb 15 00:48:08 <funkatron> that was a mistake
Feb 15 00:48:11 <haeffb> yeah, that was scary.
Feb 15 00:48:50 <sugardave> your free developer phone was supposed to be a pre + :D
Feb 15 00:50:02 <Orithma> haeffb: I sent in for the pre2 two weeks ago, and got an email back this morning asking if i wanted a coupon :P
Feb 15 00:50:15 <Orithma> i had requested a coupon 4 months ago
Feb 15 00:50:21 * Orithma kicks dirt.
Feb 15 00:51:51 <Tibfib> dohtem: pong
Feb 15 00:52:04 <haeffb> sugardave: I know! That's why I was surprised.
Feb 15 00:52:52 <sugardave> somebody @Palm must like you :D
Feb 15 00:53:10 <dohtem> Tibfib: nevermind :)
Feb 15 00:58:54 <Tibfib> dohtem: alrighty
Feb 15 00:59:30 <Tibfib> haeffb: nice
Feb 15 00:59:37 * sugardave figures something simple out.  "Yay!"
Feb 15 01:00:11 <sugardave> shunning Ares has severely handicapped me, I think
Feb 15 01:00:21 <sugardave> but that's okay, I will persevere
Feb 15 01:00:29 <haeffb> that's the spirit!
Feb 15 01:00:37 <oil> ares, meh
Feb 15 01:00:39 <oil> xD
Feb 15 01:00:43 <sugardave> haha
Feb 15 01:00:46 * dohtem kicks ares too
Feb 15 01:00:49 <haeffb> so, now I have two unlocked Pre 2's sitting here doing nothing...
Feb 15 01:00:50 <sugardave> some if this looks familiar
Feb 15 01:01:06 <dohtem> haeffb: I'll trade you a Pre+ for a Pre 2
Feb 15 01:01:06 <oil> haeffb: me too
Feb 15 01:01:12 <haeffb> ...should I leave Sprint and move to local GSM carrier?
Feb 15 01:01:17 <oil> tried to make a sprint pre2
Feb 15 01:01:23 * Tibfib is going at&t so he can use his pre2
Feb 15 01:01:30 <haeffb> i.e. will Sprint really get the Pre 3 or not?
Feb 15 01:01:32 <oil> and managed to screw up the pre-'s commsboard
Feb 15 01:01:56 * oil still has time on his contract, will wait to see if pre3 comes to sprint before jumping ship
Feb 15 01:01:59 * haeffb will have as many webOS phones as rwhitby soon.
Feb 15 01:02:15 <oil> nobody has that many
Feb 15 01:02:28 <haeffb> I've been out of contract since...September?
Feb 15 01:02:29 <oil> except maybe Adora
Feb 15 01:02:53 <haeffb> Adora throws Pre's at stray dogs to keep them off her lawn
Feb 15 01:03:02 <haeffb> that's how many she has...
Feb 15 01:03:08 <oil> i think i have till june
Feb 15 01:03:13 <oil> whenever i switched to sprint for the pre
Feb 15 01:03:17 <Josef_B> aw
Feb 15 01:03:20 * Josef_B is on his desktop
Feb 15 01:03:21 <oil> whenever it came out
Feb 15 01:03:27 <sugardave> June 16 for me, I think
Feb 15 01:03:33 <sugardave> I got mine a week after it came out
Feb 15 01:03:43 <Josef_B> gogoles home  page is ugly kthx
Feb 15 01:05:23 <dohtem> scp can copy off my device to my desktop, right?
Feb 15 01:05:42 <sugardave> yes
Feb 15 01:05:47 <sugardave> if you have ssh running
Feb 15 01:05:50 <sugardave> on the device
Feb 15 01:05:53 * Tibfib has been out of contract forever..
Feb 15 01:05:56 <dohtem> i do
Feb 15 01:06:06 <sugardave> gotta eat, bbiab
Feb 15 01:08:45 * Tibfib usually uses internalz to take files off device
Feb 15 01:09:05 <Tibfib> bbl
Feb 15 01:09:13 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, Adora has more than me. just.
Feb 15 01:10:14 <dohtem> Tibfib: sigh, thanks.
Feb 15 01:10:36 <funkatron> where are all your themes, people?
Feb 15 01:11:19 <dohtem> funkatron has become a dictator.
Feb 15 01:11:28 * funkatron pounds his shoe
Feb 15 01:12:12 <oil> same thing happened with preware
Feb 15 01:12:15 <oil> i got one theme
Feb 15 01:12:21 <oil> :/
Feb 15 01:12:30 <halfhalo> lulz
Feb 15 01:12:32 <oil> and one really crazy one
Feb 15 01:12:37 <oil> that was never put in
Feb 15 01:12:37 <funkatron> yeah, open source reminds me of doing fanzines
Feb 15 01:12:40 <oil> mostly for lols i assume
Feb 15 01:13:55 <dohtem> only at work do I regularly come across 180MB word documents. :(
Feb 15 01:15:34 <PatrickC_Home> hay guys
Feb 15 01:16:23 <dohtem> hay is for sugardaves
Feb 15 01:17:17 <Orithma> oh man i laugh everytime you say that Patrick
Feb 15 01:17:28 <Josef_B> sup PatrickC_Home
Feb 15 01:17:28 <Orithma> all i think in my head is "hayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"
Feb 15 01:18:03 <Josef_B> i usually use hey
Feb 15 01:18:08 <Josef_B> but im american
Feb 15 01:18:34 * Orithma gasps.
Feb 15 01:18:35 <Orithma> no!
Feb 15 01:19:12 <PatrickC_Home> well then, wassup?
Feb 15 01:19:14 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 15 01:19:24 <Josef_B> :P
Feb 15 01:19:37 <PatrickC_Home> what is the best/easiest way to host a server for preware?
Feb 15 01:22:03 <PatrickC_Home> oil?
Feb 15 01:22:16 <rwhitby> host a server?
Feb 15 01:22:31 <rwhitby> a preware feed is just a web server with some files
Feb 15 01:22:41 <oil> yeah
Feb 15 01:22:47 <oil> what he said
Feb 15 01:22:51 <PatrickC_Home> hay rod, someone on the #webos-internals needs help with webOSQI
Feb 15 01:23:00 <PatrickC_Home> and i cant really help them :p
Feb 15 01:23:14 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Home: you seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares ;)
Feb 15 01:23:25 <halfhalo>  /rimshot
Feb 15 01:23:26 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 15 01:23:35 <PatrickC_Home> well then, oil? lol
Feb 15 01:23:41 <PatrickC_Home> or halo :)
Feb 15 01:23:55 <halfhalo> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAnotonyourlife
Feb 15 01:24:01 <PatrickC_Home> pretty much, everyone knows more then me
Feb 15 01:24:04 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 15 01:26:12 <Orithma> lol
Feb 15 01:28:15 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Home: but seriously, the complete debugging procedure for installing Preware via WOSQI that I am aware of is in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app.  If that doesn't work for them, then it's time to send them to the PreCentral thread for further assistance.
Feb 15 01:28:30 <oil> rwhitby: you should have told him to get it
Feb 15 01:28:36 <oil> lol
Feb 15 01:28:47 <PatrickC_Home> well, i didnt think of sending him to the forums... lol
Feb 15 01:28:50 <PatrickC_Home> oil saved me :)
Feb 15 01:30:26 <PatrickC_Home> rwhitby, i was looking at the server thing cause i want to have a private beta feed, without having to go through the palm feeds
Feb 15 01:30:29 <dohtem> Tibfib: your theme is not in the repo?
Feb 15 01:30:43 <PatrickC_Home> theme, what theme? i make themes :)
Feb 15 01:30:51 <dohtem> theme for Spaz
Feb 15 01:31:08 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Home: Tibfib has a private feed mechanism. I think it's on github
Feb 15 01:31:09 <funkatron> dohtem: it should be in the beta branch
Feb 15 01:31:34 <PatrickC_Home> Tibfib, how hard was it to set up?
Feb 15 01:31:37 <dohtem> thanks funkatron
Feb 15 01:32:11 <funkatron> PatrickC_Home: http://funkatron.com/site/comments/spaz-webos-special-edition-plans/
Feb 15 01:32:18 <Adora> rwhitby:  http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/274781-official-no-ota-webos-2-x-updates-existing-devices-thread-64.html#post2869297
Feb 15 01:32:22 <Adora> lolz
Feb 15 01:32:58 <PatrickC_Home> i dont use spaz.. lol
Feb 15 01:33:11 <rwhitby> Adora: you can't win 'em all over ;)
Feb 15 01:33:25 <dohtem> funkatron: last question :) White Knight theme, is that wip?
Feb 15 01:33:31 <funkatron> wip?
Feb 15 01:33:34 <funkatron> oh yeah
Feb 15 01:33:35 <dohtem> work in progress
Feb 15 01:33:37 <funkatron> I never finished it
Feb 15 01:33:41 <funkatron> feel free
Feb 15 01:33:41 <rwhitby> Adora: just read http://forums.precentral.net/2869263-post1267.html instead
Feb 15 01:33:54 <oil> that thread is 65 pages long?
Feb 15 01:33:58 <funkatron> how do you guys stomach reading the P|C forums?
Feb 15 01:33:58 <oil> jeez
Feb 15 01:34:16 * oil watches threads for his apps, but thats about it
Feb 15 01:35:20 <funkatron> I can't even do that
Feb 15 01:35:46 <dohtem> the 'webOS developement' subforum is pretty sane
Feb 15 01:35:53 <funkatron> I followed a few of the web sites that popped up at first back in June 2009
Feb 15 01:35:54 <funkatron> right
Feb 15 01:36:14 <funkatron> also it looks like a phpbb board from 2001
Feb 15 01:36:20 <funkatron> LET'S GET SOME DESIGN PEOPLE
Feb 15 01:37:30 * rwhitby thinks the WebOS Internals subforum is the only one worth reading ... ;)
Feb 15 01:37:53 <sugardave> dohtem: did you get scp working>
Feb 15 01:37:54 <sugardave> ?
Feb 15 01:38:00 <funkatron> I guess it bums me out because I avoid the entire community b/c of the dbaggish attitudes
Feb 15 01:38:07 <funkatron> but evidently there are some decent things
Feb 15 01:38:22 <dohtem> sugardave: I used novabrowser instead
Feb 15 01:38:42 <sugardave> slacker
Feb 15 01:39:00 <dohtem> :)
Feb 15 01:39:15 <sugardave> scp -P 5522 root@localhost:/path/to/file path/to/localfile
Feb 15 01:39:28 <sugardave> or whatever port your ssh is listening on
Feb 15 01:39:42 <oil> funkatron: some guy got angry that i told him to read the post where he got the link to download the beta from which answered his question about the unfinished code
Feb 15 01:40:00 <oil> so he donated me $10 cursing me out in the comment field
Feb 15 01:40:08 <oil> so i refunded it and posted a screenshot
Feb 15 01:40:14 <halfhalo> link?
Feb 15 01:40:15 <oil> he got the mods to remove all the posts
Feb 15 01:40:22 <halfhalo> awwwww
Feb 15 01:40:23 <oil> in my thread
Feb 15 01:40:24 <dohtem> haha
Feb 15 01:40:25 <oil> lol
Feb 15 01:40:46 <rwhitby> oil: should have screenshotted the thread and twitpic'd it :)
Feb 15 01:40:52 * PatrickC_Home is trying to setup a git repo
Feb 15 01:41:15 <oil> im too lazy for that
Feb 15 01:41:24 <halfhalo> welcome to my world
Feb 15 01:41:28 <oil> didn't think the mods would remove it without atleast speaking to the op
Feb 15 01:42:04 <oil> but it was that rlanza person or whoever, with the dog avatar, whoi always think is an old woman
Feb 15 01:43:50 <funkatron> jesus
Feb 15 01:44:01 <bpadalino_> yes, my son?
Feb 15 01:44:10 <oil> lol
Feb 15 01:51:48 <bpadalino> hrm
Feb 15 02:01:45 <PatrickC_Home> i couldnt figure out how to configure git...
Feb 15 02:02:19 <bpadalino> interesting - there are a lot of tutorials on how to use and configure git
Feb 15 02:02:42 <PatrickC_Home> well, i followed their instructions and couldnt get it working
Feb 15 02:02:44 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Feb 15 02:03:02 <PatrickC_Home> man, i wish it was easier to configure a private repo for preware :/
Feb 15 02:03:21 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Home: just open source what you're doing.  it makes things much easier.
Feb 15 02:04:10 <PatrickC_Home> i want to open source but i dont want to at the same time
Feb 15 02:04:17 <PatrickC_Home> if that makes any since
Feb 15 02:04:25 <dgathright> why don't you want to?
Feb 15 02:04:43 <bpadalino> don't let these guys pressure you!
Feb 15 02:04:47 <bpadalino> do what you want
Feb 15 02:04:57 <PatrickC_Home> most the time, my apps are in a very alpha state lol
Feb 15 02:05:12 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Home: open sourcing them allows others to help
Feb 15 02:05:14 <bpadalino> so you'd fit right in
Feb 15 02:05:37 * rwhitby counts about 20 apps on git.webos-internals.org in a very alpha state
Feb 15 02:05:40 <PatrickC_Home> is there a way to host them, and not have them in preware? while being open source?
Feb 15 02:06:06 <dgathright> Well, just because it is public on github (or something similar) doesn't mean it has to be production-quality.  Much of my stuff is just toy repos that only I doubt anyone could get running or find useful.
Feb 15 02:06:58 <PatrickC_Home> where did the My Apps section go on P|C?
Feb 15 02:09:47 <PatrickC_Home> found it
Feb 15 02:15:34 <PatrickC_Home_> just figure out that i dont have the sdk installed on this computer
Feb 15 02:15:39 <PatrickC_Home_> hay SineOt!
Feb 15 02:16:25 <PatrickC_Home_> whats up?
Feb 15 02:20:44 <SineOt> hey hey
Feb 15 02:21:34 <PatrickC_Home_> im just going to go open source
Feb 15 02:21:37 <PatrickC_Home_> whats the best way
Feb 15 02:21:43 <PatrickC_Home_> whats up sine?
Feb 15 02:21:58 <PatrickC_Home_> ohh, i need to go and add you the the writers page, thanks for reminding me :)
Feb 15 02:22:05 <SineOt> hee
Feb 15 02:22:12 <SineOt> what are you open sourcing?
Feb 15 02:22:36 <PatrickC_Home_> i think people will be able to help me better
Feb 15 02:22:48 <PatrickC_Home_> and i wont have to keep pastebin'ing lol
Feb 15 02:30:22 <SineOt> ah, going open source on an app?
Feb 15 02:30:31 <SineOt> what license are you going to use for it? P:
Feb 15 02:30:49 <PatrickC_Home_> license? lol
Feb 15 02:31:16 <PatrickC_Home_> cant i just make it and post it? u can tell im new :) well, to open source
Feb 15 02:32:15 <rwhitby> choose MIT if you want commercial folks to be able to use it, otherwise choose GPLv2+ if you want to make sure the code is always freely available no matter where it is used
Feb 15 02:33:39 <PatrickC_Home_> what is the benefit of letting comercial people use it?
Feb 15 02:34:59 <rwhitby> it depends purely on your wishes
Feb 15 02:35:49 <PatrickC_Home_> well, i dont know what my wishes are :)
Feb 15 02:35:59 <PatrickC_Home_> i just want everyone to be able to help me with it
Feb 15 02:36:43 <SineOt> pretty sure you can have people help without it being open source :p
Feb 15 02:37:31 <sugardave> if you want to let people sell your code in their apps, use MIT....that's what I decoded from rwhitby's take
Feb 15 02:37:44 <PatrickC_Home_> then whats the benefit of being open source? lol
Feb 15 02:38:07 <rwhitby> you help those other people in return
Feb 15 02:39:47 <PatrickC_Home_> do people have open source paid apps?
Feb 15 02:39:53 <sugardave> yes
Feb 15 02:40:24 <PatrickC_Home_> well, what is the easiest way to go open source?
Feb 15 02:40:42 <PatrickC_Home_> i dont think i check the "open source" box when i signed up with palm though :)
Feb 15 02:40:51 <sugardave> include the license of your choice in the source files
Feb 15 02:40:57 <sugardave> and check the box
Feb 15 02:41:31 <PatrickC_Home_> once you go open souce, you can chose to go closed source again, right?
Feb 15 02:41:40 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Home_: koto player is open source
Feb 15 02:41:54 <PatrickC_Home_> koto player looks awesome
Feb 15 02:42:01 <Tibfib> haven't posted the source yet because for some reason the 2.0 sdk is still under nda
Feb 15 02:42:12 <PatrickC_Home_> i wish it wasnt
Feb 15 02:43:27 <sugardave> PatrickC_Home_: I don't know how often projects switch between open and closed source
Feb 15 02:43:47 <Tibfib> yeah. no clue how that works
Feb 15 02:43:56 <sugardave> Tibfib: but koto source is already available if you have the app :D
Feb 15 02:44:09 <Tibfib> yeah, that's true
Feb 15 02:44:16 <Tibfib> but it's kinda hard to contribute that way :)
Feb 15 02:44:19 <PatrickC_Home_> what do i do once i go open source?
Feb 15 02:44:21 <sugardave> indeed
Feb 15 02:45:55 <Tibfib> hmm, will my 1.4.5 profile work on my pre 2?
Feb 15 02:46:13 <PatrickC_Home_> the 1.4.5 will go to a pre 2, or it should
Feb 15 02:46:15 <rwhitby> it will be irrevocably converted to a 2.0 profile
Feb 15 02:46:24 <rwhitby> and work fine
Feb 15 02:46:31 <Tibfib> good to know
Feb 15 02:46:40 <PatrickC_Home_> so, once a profile is a 2.0, i can never work on 1.4.5?
Feb 15 02:46:45 <Tibfib> I think I'm going to at&t. pre2 is quite nice
Feb 15 02:47:22 <Tibfib> rick-home or haeffb: local devcamp!
Feb 15 02:49:07 <dohtem> sugardave: watson is using black magic!
Feb 15 02:49:35 <sugardave> dohtem: it did pretty good
Feb 15 02:49:52 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Home_: correct
Feb 15 02:50:01 <PatrickC_Home_> ok thanks
Feb 15 02:50:14 <dohtem> still watching, the behind the scenes with IBM engineers is pretty cool
Feb 15 02:50:28 <PatrickC_Home_> SineOt, page updated
Feb 15 02:51:27 <sugardave> dohtem: yeah, that's 100 Power 750s...pretty heavy
Feb 15 02:51:43 <sugardave> and it seemed to do natural language processing pretty well and quick :O
Feb 15 02:51:48 <PatrickC_Home_> well, i cant check the open source on palm's site now
Feb 15 02:52:20 <haeffb> Tibfib: what? where? when?
Feb 15 02:52:30 <haeffb> rick-home is watching basketball
Feb 15 02:52:32 <Tibfib> I'm saying someone should do one!
Feb 15 02:52:38 <sugardave> someone should!
Feb 15 02:52:45 <Tibfib> ah, yeah I'm about to watch the game
Feb 15 02:53:14 <SineOt> PatrickC_Home_: okay
Feb 15 02:53:17 <Tibfib> sugardave: where are you again?
Feb 15 02:53:24 <Tibfib> oklahoma? or am I way off?
Feb 15 02:53:27 <Tibfib> or Texas?
Feb 15 02:53:30 <dohtem> sugardave: I'm curious when exactly watson gets the question.  Right when the clue is chosen or when Alex begins to read it? the few seconds can make a lot of difference.
Feb 15 02:53:32 * Tibfib can't remember
Feb 15 02:54:12 <oil> it gets fed it as soon as the answer hits the contestants eyes
Feb 15 02:54:23 <sugardave> The question that needn't be asked: "Dave, are you ready for some pie?"
Feb 15 02:54:45 <sugardave> Tibfib: not Oklahoma
Feb 15 02:54:48 <sugardave> *shudder*
Feb 15 02:54:50 <sugardave> it's TX
Feb 15 02:54:51 <Tibfib> lol.
Feb 15 02:54:58 <Tibfib> ah! second guess
Feb 15 02:55:05 <Tibfib> would you come up for a kc devday?
Feb 15 02:55:05 <oil> it better have one on robot-apocalypse movie trivia
Feb 15 02:55:23 * oil would go to a devday/predevcamp in washington or oregon tomorrow :)
Feb 15 02:55:26 <sugardave> dohtem: they said Watson gets it electronically as soon as it is revealed and being read
Feb 15 02:55:26 <PatrickC_Home_> im just gonna go open source lol
Feb 15 02:56:18 <sugardave> Kansas just doesn't have the draw for me...there's some flatness.  You guys should come to Austin for a Dev Day :D
Feb 15 02:56:22 <oil> i assume he can signal to answer before trebek is done reading like players can
Feb 15 02:56:34 <oil> probably the only way the puny humans will win
Feb 15 02:56:36 <oil> jumping the gun
Feb 15 02:56:40 <Tibfib> sugardave: I am totally going to an Austin dev day
Feb 15 02:56:51 <sugardave> at the end of round 1, watson and a human were tied
Feb 15 02:56:58 <PatrickC_Home_> they need to have a Nashville dev day :)
Feb 15 02:57:03 <Tibfib> sugardave: I guess I meant a kc predevcamp
Feb 15 02:57:11 <SineOt> yeah Watson will only ring in if it's over I think 65% sure of an answer
Feb 15 02:57:13 <oil> they need to have a devday in *insert_home_town*!
Feb 15 02:57:21 <sugardave> +1
Feb 15 02:57:25 <rwhitby> +1
Feb 15 02:57:28 <oil> haha
Feb 15 02:57:28 <PatrickC_Home_> +1
Feb 15 02:57:36 <Tibfib> cccccombo breaker.
Feb 15 02:57:44 * Tibfib blames oil
Feb 15 02:58:23 <Tibfib> I think there's a good chance the next one is in Austin. that'd be perfect
Feb 15 02:58:36 <SineOt> they ran a few test rounds that showed the answers Watson was considering and what percentage it was sure of them with
Feb 15 02:59:09 <PatrickC_Home_> if im going open source, what all do i have to do?
Feb 15 02:59:19 <oil> say "here, look at my codes!"
Feb 15 02:59:19 <Adora> rwhitby:  THANK YOU MISTER HIGH EXPECTATIONS
Feb 15 02:59:25 <oil> "no really, look at them!"
Feb 15 02:59:28 <SineOt> hey Adora :]
Feb 15 02:59:35 <SineOt> thanks again for the help at the developer event!
Feb 15 02:59:40 <rwhitby> Adora: you know it's true
Feb 15 02:59:41 <PatrickC_Home_> hay Adora
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