**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 15 02:59:56 2011 Feb 15 02:59:57 where do i post the code Feb 15 03:00:04 Dev Day Detroit? there'd be 2 people that show up... Feb 15 03:00:07 PatrickC_Home_: wherever you want Feb 15 03:00:19 rwhitby: eh, maybe Feb 15 03:00:28 but I did just register enyodevcamp.org just in case =] Feb 15 03:00:28 PatrickC_Home_: github would probably be easiest for you to handle :p Feb 15 03:00:37 Adora: I rest my case Feb 15 03:00:51 * oil wants one in *insert_home_town* Feb 15 03:00:56 RagingMind, id be there for sure in detroit ;p Feb 15 03:01:03 mmmmmm buritto...... Feb 15 03:01:26 I"m not even from that part of the state, but it is the closest big city to my home town. I"m actually closer to Minneapolis now Feb 15 03:01:33 SineOt, once i figure out github :p Feb 15 03:02:06 good luck :p Feb 15 03:02:20 fuck. puppy just destoryed my favorite hat.. its also my everyday hat. FML Feb 15 03:02:30 too bad enyodevcamp.com doesn't really exist Feb 15 03:02:53 is there another place besides github that i could use :p Feb 15 03:03:00 that is /easy/ to learn lol Feb 15 03:03:12 where i can just upload and done, no configuring Feb 15 03:03:28 codeplex Feb 15 03:04:01 Tibfib, thanks, registering now Feb 15 03:04:30 lol. my first app is up there Feb 15 03:04:35 sooooo bad Feb 15 03:04:44 I didn't understand stuff :) Feb 15 03:04:45 * oil wants to see! Feb 15 03:04:56 reading the terms of use lol Feb 15 03:05:02 just wanna check something :) Feb 15 03:05:04 * oil wants to take screenshots of the code with red arrows pointing to it saying "LOLZ :)" Feb 15 03:05:17 hahaha Feb 15 03:05:19 oil: lol. gotta sign a nda Feb 15 03:05:26 lol Feb 15 03:06:32 oil: sigh, http://countdown.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/39329#734114 Feb 15 03:06:37 dawm, http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/11/6034591-detroit-robocop-statue-could-be-reality-thanks-to-internet Feb 15 03:06:47 old ;p Feb 15 03:06:57 I think I'm going to upload the latest version to github and kill the project on codeplex Feb 15 03:07:23 dawm, oops. wrong link, hilarious though. right link: http://www.penguicon.org/ Feb 15 03:07:45 didnt you ask me about that before and i said i never heard of it? :P Feb 15 03:08:15 is there anything that i have to include in the apps that is special? Feb 15 03:08:20 nice Tibfib! Feb 15 03:08:25 Yeah, that's why I figured I'd give you the link :) Feb 15 03:08:28 PatrickC_Home_: a license if you want Feb 15 03:08:34 oil: >.< Feb 15 03:08:38 what do u mean, "if i want" lol Feb 15 03:09:03 some people do, some people don't Feb 15 03:09:14 it's a linux/open source convention. I think WebOS should be represented :) Feb 15 03:09:55 Tibfib, were you the one helping me with the webview thing earlier? Feb 15 03:10:03 I was one of em Feb 15 03:10:06 RagingMind: Internals will be at scale Feb 15 03:10:28 halfhalo, link to scale? Feb 15 03:10:29 still not working Feb 15 03:10:41 PatrickC_Home_: i think it was sugardave Feb 15 03:11:01 well if it still doesn't work it was sugardave... Feb 15 03:11:07 giyf Feb 15 03:11:09 i know sugardave was, but i thought Tibfib was helping to Feb 15 03:11:19 lol Feb 15 03:11:19 the current code is the code that binds it Feb 15 03:11:22 wasnt that yours :) Feb 15 03:11:31 PatrickC_Home_: did you copy EXACTLY the pastebin I had? Feb 15 03:11:32 HP people, start showing up at all the OS Cons and have a raffle for phones if you wanna win over developers Feb 15 03:11:40 there were other less obvious changes Feb 15 03:11:49 they may be scary people in costumes... but they can code too :) Feb 15 03:11:51 you couldn't have just copied parts of it Feb 15 03:11:53 //Default WIN!!! Automatic. Feb 15 03:11:59 i didnt copy it /all/ :) Feb 15 03:12:06 RagingMind: swisstomcat has gotten a number of devices he has given away at different events Feb 15 03:12:08 well that's why it doesn't work. Feb 15 03:12:12 i doctored this phone and now wifi is busted. wtf? Feb 15 03:12:16 haha sugardave i read that comment too Feb 15 03:12:19 dohtem: time to doctor too Feb 15 03:12:29 ? Feb 15 03:12:33 sugardave: hey! are you making fun of me? :P Feb 15 03:13:00 * oil first mojo app was nothing but sexy Feb 15 03:13:04 :) Feb 15 03:13:05 lol, that is a pretty good comment Feb 15 03:13:10 hah Feb 15 03:13:14 my first coding project ever Feb 15 03:13:17 never touched code before Feb 15 03:13:19 but to be fair, i did know js/css/html going into it Feb 15 03:13:29 my fist code would probably be LOGO Feb 15 03:13:32 in elementary school Feb 15 03:13:42 but i can't exactly post that on the internet Feb 15 03:13:46 probably something like Feb 15 03:13:47 pen down Feb 15 03:13:50 go 20 Feb 15 03:13:50 yes you can Feb 15 03:13:54 right 90 Feb 15 03:13:56 go 20 Feb 15 03:13:58 lol Feb 15 03:14:20 * oil goes to get dinner brb Feb 15 03:14:31 found the code Feb 15 03:14:42 * halfhalo has a video player on his kb.... awesome Feb 15 03:15:36 video play on kb?? lol Feb 15 03:17:10 IT WORKED! Feb 15 03:17:27 packaging it up and checking to see if my tiny mod broke anything :p Feb 15 03:19:48 it did break it! lol Feb 15 03:20:09 all i did was change it from http://palm.com to http://developer.palm.com/distribution Feb 15 03:21:57 what is it you're trying to do? Feb 15 03:22:29 make an app for me to use that will bring me directly to the developer fourm page for palm Feb 15 03:22:36 cause we dont have a mobile site Feb 15 03:22:55 you mean like adding a bookmark to the launcher from within the browser? c_c Feb 15 03:23:08 webos should have a basics for programming chan so all the n00bs can get trained by the best Feb 15 03:23:11 so we can start making apps Feb 15 03:23:13 :D Feb 15 03:23:16 your in it Feb 15 03:23:26 i have been having trouble with making bookmarks Feb 15 03:23:34 brb, i have to go have a nerf war :p Feb 15 03:23:41 Josef_B: yeah, what halfhalo said Feb 15 03:23:50 damn straight skippy Feb 15 03:23:53 we feel insulted Feb 15 03:24:00 as soon as i change it from http://palm.com to http://developer.palm.com it stops working Feb 15 03:24:01 sorry we aren't the "best" :P Feb 15 03:24:26 * jjore posted http://webos101.com/Transcoding_hints so anyone else who wants hints on transcoding targetting the palm has a leg-up. Feb 15 03:24:28 Josef_B: this is as good as you get Feb 15 03:24:37 jjore: sweet! Feb 15 03:24:37 Source Control: Choose the type of source control system for your project. (Learn more) Team Foundation Server (also supports Subversion clients) Mercurial Feb 15 03:24:42 what the heck does this mean? lol Feb 15 03:25:16 means use git Feb 15 03:25:25 yeah, just use git and git hub Feb 15 03:25:27 * halfhalo has some shiny new headsets to play with Feb 15 03:25:45 I don't care if you or anyone else edits that wiki page. Right now it's a batch file. Feb 15 03:27:25 mmmm..... shiny review unites Feb 15 03:29:18 CTLAdvance: what are you recently tweeting about? Feb 15 03:29:36 Looks like some info came today about webOS on PC's Feb 15 03:29:52 and it looks like they wont virtualize webOS but make some sort of webOS experience Feb 15 03:29:53 whats up wtih the wp7 biting off webos for multitasking Feb 15 03:30:07 at least thats what the editorial says which may or may not be based on facts Feb 15 03:30:12 heh Feb 15 03:30:12 which I am sure they dont know about Feb 15 03:30:13 okay Feb 15 03:30:38 turns out the wifi is busted on this pre :( Feb 15 03:30:39 WebOS really ripped symbian for multitasking, just webOS made it look good Joseph_b Feb 15 03:30:51 hehe :D Feb 15 03:30:58 webos makes everything look good Feb 15 03:31:04 yes indeed Feb 15 03:31:26 it wouldn't surprise me to see it as a layer Feb 15 03:31:36 I mean, with Enyo, all you need to run the app is a browser Feb 15 03:31:44 Sugardave - So webOS on a PC is interesting, I didnt think it made sense to have it run as an actual virtualized client, based on what I am reading that may also be their thinking Feb 15 03:32:11 I always figured that it'd be similar to the Launchpad concept from 10.7 Lion Feb 15 03:32:16 WebOS flow would make an awesome layer to Windows 7 for a touch interface (I know thats cannibalizing its core but we) Feb 15 03:32:42 But why leave it at enyo Feb 15 03:32:45 it would be cooler if not virtualized, I agree Feb 15 03:32:58 why not just extend the windows 7 task manager and make a webOS layer to control windows 7 Feb 15 03:33:12 then boom, everything can be in a card :) Feb 15 03:33:15 yes Feb 15 03:33:26 W7 apps, enyo apps etc Feb 15 03:35:53 goodnight everyone? Feb 15 03:35:59 heh. that's not a question Feb 15 03:36:03 goodnight tubfib? Feb 15 03:36:10 tibfib Feb 15 03:36:12 hahaha Feb 15 03:36:22 goodnight george! Feb 15 03:36:33 http://awesomeapps.codeplex.com Feb 15 03:36:53 nevermind Feb 15 03:37:01 thought it published, but it didnt :p Feb 15 03:38:10 im looking for a good rss reader for my pre Feb 15 03:38:14 news feed is ok Feb 15 03:38:27 PatrickC_Home_: if you don't put a license on it, then by default it is not open source. Feb 15 03:38:41 licens on what? Feb 15 03:38:52 im doing the GPLv2 Feb 15 03:41:00 PatrickC_Home_: why CodePlex. Just use github Feb 15 03:41:15 i couldnt figure out github lol Feb 15 03:41:23 i did what they said, and it didnt work Feb 15 03:41:39 "CodePlex is hosted by Microsoft." 'nuff said. Feb 15 03:42:00 well, i cant get github working Feb 15 03:42:01 brb Feb 15 03:42:21 nevermind im here lol Feb 15 04:25:42 hmm, I wonder if the palm classes will remain the same Feb 15 04:26:15 you mean for CSS, or..? Feb 15 04:26:53 yeah Feb 15 04:27:04 like palm-body-text, etc. Feb 15 04:27:43 I don't think there'd be much changing there Feb 15 04:28:25 I sure hope not Feb 15 04:30:28 hah, why? Feb 15 04:30:31 because it sure would be a shame if you couldn't just use the existing class names Feb 15 04:31:40 Anyone saw the video of the touchpad at mobile conference Feb 15 04:31:50 yes Feb 15 04:32:03 sugardave: UT should have just locked up a BigXII title. Feb 15 04:32:04 mainly because I suck at reading that global .css file in Mojo to determine what attributes belong to a certain class Feb 15 04:32:26 haeffb: sweet, I know they were undefeated in conference play as of yesterday or friday Feb 15 04:32:42 KU just lost at KSU, gives UT a 2-game lead. Feb 15 04:33:00 Did you see how long it took to open a card to forward an email Feb 15 04:33:30 hours? Feb 15 04:34:04 webOS 3.0 is like, ultra hardcore bleeding edge sub-Alpha right now Feb 15 04:34:20 marss its also running an uknown version of webos at this point Feb 15 04:35:44 we can judge that when we see a production model Feb 15 04:39:58 Bad press to show a device running so sluggish if you ask me. Just looked on precentral and most are saying the same thing Feb 15 04:44:02 Worse press to show nothing at all ... Feb 15 04:44:47 “Make it run, then make it right, then make it fast” Feb 15 04:46:48 seems like they're transitioning to phase 3 Feb 15 04:46:52 that's a pretty good phase to be on Feb 15 04:48:24 knuth has a good quote as well: “Premature optimization is the root of all evil” Feb 15 04:50:22 rwhitby, do you think the i would be nearly as successful if jobs demo'ed alpha software? Feb 15 04:50:31 or... Feb 15 04:50:54 has jobs ever demo'ed something not near completion. (sorry... just using a highly successful market segment) Feb 15 04:51:12 Orithma: you're preaching to the choir here Feb 15 04:51:48 ...so you think it's better HP demo's what they have than nothing at all until later this year? Feb 15 04:51:51 Every company of course wants every demo to be a perfect rendition of perfect software and perfect hardware. Feb 15 04:52:50 Orithma: I do. Cause 99.99% of the people who are going to buy these don't read tech blogs or PreCentral, so such nattering has no relevance. Feb 15 04:53:36 Yeah, I spose your right... whatever market is left over from the iBrand, and the brute force of android is kind of a wild card right now Feb 15 04:53:44 better make of it what you can Feb 15 04:53:48 The lasting resonances from the demonstrations will be the things that are new, not the fact that email opened a bit slowly on unoptimised software. Feb 15 04:54:08 maybe the video hung Feb 15 04:54:12 *shrug* Feb 15 04:56:12 maybe the demonstator strayed from the script and the pre-canned on-device-demo applications that are on those devices Feb 15 04:56:55 space gremlin is cool..... Feb 15 04:56:59 it's clear that the Veer is the only device that is anywhere near ready, since that's the only device that they are letting people play with freely. Feb 15 04:57:45 "you can't touch this demo device" means "the software on it is not ready, and the hardware may not be ready either" Feb 15 04:58:28 And they already had the Grammy slot paid for, so they had to go ahead with the Feb 9 slot. Feb 15 05:19:15 Palm Pixi on sale again - http://www.dailysteals.com/ Feb 15 05:25:02 my desktop does not like linux.... Feb 15 05:25:32 maybe it likes it too much Feb 15 05:25:55 I have yet to get it to dualboot 10.10 with windows Feb 15 05:26:12 or boot linux at all.... Feb 15 05:26:44 I haven't updated to 10.10 yet, go back to 10.04 Feb 15 05:27:01 uggg Feb 15 05:27:04 thats effort Feb 15 05:34:11 apt-get install debian Feb 15 05:34:20 BOOO Feb 15 05:34:49 Drag OSX into the Applications folder Feb 15 05:35:08 then run 10.04 in a VM Feb 15 05:35:37 I have 10.10 in a vm on the mini, but I want 10.10 native on my desktop so I can use my pchd5500 Feb 15 05:43:53 Guys, is there a good "PIM" suite for webOS? iOS and Android has a few decent ones. Feb 15 05:49:31 Speedy2: no apps have direct access to you PIM data Feb 15 05:49:49 They all end up using their own databases? Feb 15 05:49:53 i.e. NOT the old Palm way? Feb 15 05:50:52 they have no choice prior to webOS 2.x Feb 15 05:51:03 What about webOS 2.x+? Feb 15 05:51:35 You'll need to apply for early access NDA to get an answer to that. Feb 15 05:51:43 OK, not pushing Feb 15 05:51:48 Just *hoping* Feb 15 05:51:50 (as a user) Feb 15 05:52:06 And 99.99% of the existing installed device base will never get webOS 2.0 Feb 15 05:52:37 so there is no short-term financial incentive for anyone to develop such Feb 15 05:53:29 Speedy2, out of curiosity really: what do the stock apps not do for PIM that you'd like to see? Feb 15 05:55:09 SineOt: I've started using this : http://www.pocketinformant.com/products_info.php?p_id=pocketinformant_iphone Feb 15 05:55:24 SineOt: Was hoping for something integrated. I have not used the Pre extensively. Feb 15 05:55:52 SineOt: I want something that syncs to a desktop client, no cloud crap. Feb 15 05:55:57 the stock apps are integrated pretty tightly with Synergy. Feb 15 05:56:05 Speedy2: you bought the wrong phone for that. Feb 15 05:56:19 even though syncing to the desktop is basically making your desktop the "cloud" instead? :p Feb 15 05:56:19 rwhitby: iOS or Pre? Feb 15 05:56:37 Speedy2: Pre - the "web" part of "webOS" sort of gives it away Feb 15 05:56:38 SineOt: That's fine, due to the nature of the work, it cannot leave the confines of a local computer Feb 15 05:57:08 okay, so wait: you have PIM data that you don't want to leave the confines of a local computer, but you want to carry on a small, pocketable device? Feb 15 05:57:10 rwhitby: Well, who says it has to *only* be one way? My understanding was the "web" part referred to the ability to utilize "web technologies" like AJAX, etc. Feb 15 05:57:26 SineOt: Something like that. Feb 15 05:57:47 SineOt: With other platforms, you can wipe them if they're lost or encrypt the data. Feb 15 05:58:02 You can do that on webOS as well Feb 15 05:58:06 Speedy2: no one says it has to, but it's a fact of life if you've chosen to use webOS. Feb 15 05:58:16 I'm not trying to start a religous war, just asking some questions. Feb 15 05:58:28 Speedy2: no religion, just reality. Feb 15 05:58:47 Like I said, web and security are not mutually exclusive. Feb 15 05:59:04 Speedy2: agreed, I'm telling you the reality for webOS. Feb 15 05:59:16 what it is, not what you'd like it to be. Feb 15 05:59:28 Well, they do support ActiveSync, which can do what I want Feb 15 05:59:39 yeah, right. Feb 15 05:59:55 But it sounds like any third-party PIM suite can't make use of the built-in databases, a classic, stupid misstep that iOS/Android guys have also fallen into Feb 15 06:00:21 The irony being Palm pioneered the ability for built-in DBs to be extended and augmented by third-party software. Feb 15 06:00:37 it's actually a security issue. If a third-party PIM app can access your contact database, then so can a spam-sending trojan app Feb 15 06:00:53 If you have a whitelist for Internet access, that's not such a big deal :) Feb 15 06:00:58 (which you can do for iOS and Android) Feb 15 06:01:11 yep, as I said, you chose the wrong phone Feb 15 06:01:26 I don't own any of the three devices Feb 15 06:01:42 I was just hoping that the Pre might be more workable. Doesn't sound like it. Feb 15 06:01:51 well, now you know not to buy a webOS device for your particular use case. Feb 15 06:02:07 rwhitby: Are the native DBs closed by design? Feb 15 06:02:39 depends on your viewpoint. Feb 15 06:02:47 homebrew apps can access whatever they choose. Feb 15 06:02:57 But signed apps cannot? Feb 15 06:03:12 no such thing as signed apps Feb 15 06:03:26 Which apps cannot access the built-in data? Feb 15 06:03:34 Was the schema kept proprietary? Feb 15 06:03:45 not the schema, the access permissions. Feb 15 06:05:40 well, the schema is not publicly documented either Feb 15 06:07:35 BTW, apps from the app catalog are actually signed, but that is not visible to either users or developers. Feb 15 06:07:57 * oil gasps Feb 15 06:08:14 Most WebOS Internals apps are signed too :) Feb 15 06:08:42 wonder if they'll more actively enforce app signing in the future Feb 15 06:09:32 SineOt: it's 100% enforced now, except for folks who turn on the developer mode. Feb 15 06:09:45 oh, it is? Feb 15 06:10:22 sure. you can't install anything outside of the app catalog without having turned on developer mode once. Feb 15 06:10:56 but if you turn developer mode off, it doesn't relock/enforce? Feb 15 06:11:03 * SineOt is kind of confused now, obviously. Feb 15 06:11:12 well, it depends on whether you install Preware or not Feb 15 06:11:55 Since Preware is in essence a huge rootkit/trojan app. Feb 15 06:11:58 I guess when I hear app signing I think more along the lines of what OSX is capable of and stuff like the Boxee Box is doing: verifying that signed apps haven't been changed Feb 15 06:12:17 SineOt: that is exactly what signed apps mean for the app catalog Feb 15 06:12:31 app catalog apps are unpatchable? Feb 15 06:12:34 integrity and authentication Feb 15 06:12:45 SineOt: if you never turn on developer mode, yes. Feb 15 06:13:10 but you couldn't patch it without having turned on developer mode Feb 15 06:13:20 correct Feb 15 06:13:56 so how is it known that you couldn't patch a signed app from the catalog, if to test patching, you have to have enabled developer mode? Feb 15 06:14:02 to be able to do so without turning on developer mode at least once would be a huge security vulnerability Feb 15 06:15:01 there was a time early on in webOS when a bug made it possible. it was quickly fixed. Feb 15 06:15:15 ah Feb 15 06:15:44 so if I'm following correctly, the signing is disabled and can not be reenabled after developer mode is enabled once? Feb 15 06:16:30 incorrect Feb 15 06:16:44 the signing is always there for app catalog apps Feb 15 06:16:56 preware installs a second mechanism to install apps that are not signed Feb 15 06:17:35 remove all non-app-catalog apps (including Preware), and turn off developer mode, and you're back to pristine safety Feb 15 06:17:36 but preware could, using that second mechanism, install a patch to modify a signed app catalog app? Feb 15 06:17:54 some do Feb 15 06:18:19 indeed, preware does. Feb 15 06:19:03 but if you can patch a signed app, then really-what does the signing do? obviously after being patched I'd imagine the signed keys wouldn't match up any more (assuming that that's what the signing is doing, if it's just saying "I came from the app catalog" then it's a different story) Feb 15 06:22:53 the signature is only checked at installation time Feb 15 06:24:05 ah! So the catalog will say, for example that the sig is ABC, then when installing the IPK, things will be checked if the IPK is signed ABC as well, to verify? Verify I assume that 1) the app is what it says it is, and 2) that the app hasn't changed due to maybe a faulty download/malicious tampering? Feb 15 06:27:35 correct Feb 15 06:28:02 and enabling dev mode, I assume, turns off that check on install? Feb 15 06:28:28 no, but allows a non-signed installation path Feb 15 06:29:12 which the preware installation procedure uses to install Preware, which makes that alternative non-signed path persistent while Preware is installed Feb 15 06:30:13 ah Feb 15 06:30:26 so catalog apps installed via the catalog are still checked for signing? Feb 15 06:35:17 at install time, yes. Feb 15 06:35:36 Preware does not subvert or modify app catalog operation. Feb 15 06:36:54 yeah Feb 15 06:37:02 well, there wouldn't be any need to really Feb 15 06:38:19 and it would be rude to do so Feb 15 06:38:43 even if it was polite there isn't really anything that would need modifying Feb 15 06:38:49 that I can think of at least Feb 15 06:39:10 I specifically designed the homebrew architecture so that alteration of the normal vendor flow is not required. Feb 15 06:47:01 hey, I'm trying to run the firstuse app on this newly doctored phone but signing into my palm profile takes forever. Is this typical? Feb 15 06:48:25 no, since the Palm has not been released for "forever" ;) Feb 15 06:49:25 heh, I mean the spinner just sits there. the last time I let it go for over 20 mins. Feb 15 06:51:43 doesn't sound good Feb 15 06:54:14 I concur...sounds not good Feb 15 06:59:46 its bad, mkay? Feb 15 07:00:01 lol Feb 15 07:03:51 * gour thinks it's fair Feb 15 07:05:07 ...fair? Feb 15 07:11:25 OrithmaFelus: yep Feb 15 07:11:50 that's a good thing, right? Feb 15 07:12:17 i do not know what did you discuss, but I say 'fair' considering HP kind of betrayed users of old devices, but, otoh, donated server for webos-internal project :-) Feb 15 07:12:54 now, you can tell me what was/is subject of discussion ;) Feb 15 07:13:03 i have no idea Feb 15 07:13:25 i'm guessing as i go Feb 15 07:14:15 lol Feb 15 07:15:17 pictures of the server unboxing need to be posted on the internets Feb 15 07:20:42 some folks here told me to apply for developer account and looking at it i see: "Free - annual fee waived for a limited time". it is meant only if one wants to write commercial app consider it says "Always free for Open Source Developers" ? Feb 15 07:21:55 it's been waived for over a year now for everyone Feb 15 07:22:29 * oil has never had to pay, and has had a dev account since there was early access to it Feb 15 07:22:44 open source? Feb 15 07:22:52 nope Feb 15 07:23:02 they haven't been charging anyone Feb 15 07:23:05 i think they charged once Feb 15 07:23:13 then were like, "nevermind, we're sending your money bacl" Feb 15 07:23:27 yeah they refunded everyone Feb 15 07:24:32 so, it's safe to apply Feb 15 07:24:44 I had to pay $5 Feb 15 07:24:51 in the beginning Feb 15 07:24:55 but I got it back :D Feb 15 07:25:47 stupid dev phone, keeps signing me out of my palm profile Feb 15 07:26:16 ok...let me apply...nothingto lose Feb 15 08:09:52 well, we cannot open developer account 'cause our country is not listed...great :-/ Feb 15 08:16:10 whan country? Feb 15 08:21:35 croatia Feb 15 08:21:57 sugardave: ping Feb 15 09:20:17 is there some way to make novaterm play nicely with window resizes? Having my connection die every time the window size changes is mildly annoying Feb 15 10:21:09 i'm reading "PDK Technical FAQ " and answer for "Can I use the standard C and C++ libraries?" says: "Yes, while not listed explicitly in the documentation, you can rely on the standard C libraries being available. All current webOS releases contain GNU C Library..." but I wonder what about 3rd party C library we'd need to use? is it possible? Feb 15 12:21:04 hello any1 there? Feb 15 13:02:09 gour: there are other libraries you can rely on that ship standard, too but you'd have to look around on the filesystem for which ones are there. as far as 3rd party libs you can always include your own alongside your binary or link them in Feb 15 13:04:55 rwhitby: well, if you never gain access to modify the filesystem is the way I'd put it. devmode's one way, booting a modified environment's another, but since almost everyone uses dev mode to do it in practice I suppose I'm splitting hairs :) Feb 15 13:05:29 destinal-work: interesting...is it possible to write hybrid app where all the work ('business logic' and UI) are done in JS and just call 3rd party C-lib to supplement functions in 'business logic' ? Feb 15 13:08:35 rwhitby: Speedy2: heh, it may be the wrong phone out of the box to sync with a desktop, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't work on desktop syncing as an option. since when have we let "the vendor doesn't support that" be a reason not to? Feb 15 13:09:17 though indeed it would probably require something like homebrew to support such a feature set Feb 15 13:10:26 gour: yes, indeed. basically that's what hybrid apps in the PDK are all about Feb 15 13:11:27 that's how the homebrew app wIRC works for instance, and it's planned to be in app catalog once catalog supports hybrids. QuickOffice on webos 2.0 is a hybrid too and uses js and the DOM for front end and C/C++ code for the back end Feb 15 13:12:33 destinal-work: very good...it would allow us to maybe even prototype our desktop app (to be written in D) using webOS and then further develop codebase in D while providing shrink-wrapped codebase for webOS app Feb 15 13:13:01 destinal-work: btw, i've tried to apply for dev account, but my country is not listed :-/ Feb 15 13:13:48 gour:I'd email pdc@palm.com or ping chuqui when he's in the channel for help Feb 15 13:14:44 destinal-work: thanks. we'll wait for chuqui then Feb 15 13:14:45 gour: and yeah, no reason you can't use whatever programming language you want that you can compile / cross compile to arm. Feb 15 13:15:03 for the back end code Feb 15 13:15:49 destinal-work: hmm, you mean we could even use D for back-end, no? Feb 15 13:16:15 yup, and if you do, definitely write about it on the webos-internals.org wiki. :) Feb 15 13:17:13 hmm...this sounds too good to be true :-) Feb 15 13:18:20 I've been wanting to write some python bindings to make python hybrids too, just haven't gotten around to it Feb 15 13:19:20 cool..cool Feb 15 13:22:08 gour: if we wanted to go very far with this concept we could even make Qt hybrids with a modified Qt lib that renders to the same surface you can access with SDL and/or opengl-es (and of course you can already make Qt applications as "type: game" full screen applications but I'm not sure if non-game "games" can be accepted into the app catalog) Feb 15 13:22:35 gour: I think overall javascript as a front end offers some interesting possibilities though and can be preferable Feb 15 13:22:45 destinal-work: i'm not into writing games, but some astro stuff Feb 15 13:23:11 destinal-work: indeed...stil having qt on disposal wouldn't be bad Feb 15 13:23:14 gour: the reason I say games is because full screen applications in webos are called "type: game" and typically written in SDL and opengl-es Feb 15 13:23:27 you could make an app and designate it this type however Feb 15 13:23:43 destinal-work: ahh...still, opengl & sdl are quite low-level stuff, maybe too much for me :-) Feb 15 13:23:54 well someone has made Qt work with it already also Feb 15 13:24:03 which is why I mentioned it Feb 15 13:25:15 and yeah, js can be easier, faster to develop but having Qt on hand sometimes certainly wouldn't hurt especially when you want to port things Feb 15 13:26:36 right...we were thinking about Qt(D) and meego to develop multi-platform Feb 15 13:36:32 gour: also in webos javascript is the way to go to get the native widgets and a webos look and feel, but sometimes cross-platform is a more important priority than native look / feel Feb 15 13:37:11 hybrid with native backend code is still a very viable option that can get you both Feb 15 13:38:57 destinal-work: i understand that native is achieved by using webOS' framework...otoh, using Qt would provide us the same codebase for the libraries...however, in our case, desktop app is meant to be much larger/bigger/complex, while i believe that, by using only 3rd party C-lib+webOS JS technology we can craft nice 'lite' app Feb 15 13:40:11 gour: sounds like a very good approach Feb 15 13:41:06 destinal-work: in any case, learning JS is practically 'must' these days for everyone doing something on the web...so it seems as wortwhile investment of time Feb 15 13:49:43 learning js is not that hard... just make a first test app for mojo... you'll learn on the way Feb 15 14:00:16 joetweeply: how much is enyo different from mojo? Feb 15 14:00:54 dunno yet... still waiting for my final early access Feb 15 14:01:17 but as mojo is told to be much more code... you learn js better here ;) Feb 15 14:01:32 it is Feb 15 14:01:38 mojo was cool Feb 15 14:01:54 yeah... this was my stepstone to great javascript Feb 15 14:01:55 but when you see enyo mojo is not that cool anymore ;) Feb 15 14:02:07 joetweeply early access is a little behind Feb 15 14:02:12 but they are working on it Feb 15 14:02:15 read a tweet Feb 15 14:02:22 yeah i know... just have to be patient Feb 15 14:02:27 yeah read that already Feb 15 14:02:35 good Feb 15 14:03:10 it is completely different. Feb 15 14:04:08 except with the same language. the structure is completely different Feb 15 14:04:27 no scenes / stages / whatever ... i guess is the biggest thing Feb 15 14:05:04 other JS frameworks like jqueryUI, dojo etc. were not adequate? Feb 15 14:05:37 joetweeply: scenes, stages...sound like clutter? Feb 15 14:06:51 I would say no, they were not Feb 15 14:07:14 no they were not.. within mojo it made perfectly sense Feb 15 14:07:15 it's fairly similar to ExtJS/Sencha Touch tho Feb 15 14:07:44 yeah, if you're only building card stack apps, it works pretty well, although I think Mojo was overengineered in general Feb 15 14:07:59 so, enyo is similar to e.g. extjs? Feb 15 14:08:08 I'd say so, yeah Feb 15 14:08:13 nice Feb 15 14:08:19 not identical. but some similarities Feb 15 14:08:20 can't say any details here yet Feb 15 14:08:35 *cough* *cough* Feb 15 14:09:28 lol Feb 15 14:09:39 gour: enyo is availalble in the early access program at this point but unfortunately, under NDA Feb 15 14:10:03 it means non-disclosure bla bla Feb 15 14:10:18 FriendDA! Feb 15 14:10:28 gour: yes, you can sign up for it and get a sneak peek at it before it comes out for the toucpad though Feb 15 14:10:36 so you can develop apps sooner Feb 15 14:11:26 i cannot even open dev account...HP believes that croatia does not exist in this universe although our cough, cough government uses their laptops :-/ Feb 15 14:11:48 no i mean i can't say anything because i haven't seen it yet.. but yeah.. NDA too Feb 15 14:11:50 not listed in the country dropdown? Feb 15 14:11:57 yep Feb 15 14:12:07 have you emailed chuq or pdc@palm? Feb 15 14:12:13 that's something they need to fix Feb 15 14:12:51 ...and believe me, if something costs $500, when it comes to EU the price raises to 500€ and here they add one zero and convert into 5000kn Feb 15 14:12:59 right Feb 15 14:13:45 which is ~$910...then imagine how does it look to develop here Feb 15 14:14:44 well for just mojo apps, without the use of acceleration you really could just test develop on the emulator and get some help over here with the devs. Feb 15 14:14:59 gour: please let us know what you hear back from Palm. I would like to hear about it too Feb 15 14:15:02 still, we need sdk Feb 15 14:15:04 then make a great app.. get some money and buy the device off that money Feb 15 14:15:41 funkatron: i hope that chuq will appear here...or it is very seldom? Feb 15 14:15:46 I would email him. Feb 15 14:15:55 that's gonna get read by him fo sho. Feb 15 14:16:05 it's very hit or miss for him to be in here Feb 15 14:16:11 and I guarantee he'll say "email me about it" Feb 15 14:16:14 joetweeply: i'd prefer writing open-source app...it's according to my principles...i get so much FOSS Feb 15 14:16:38 gour, I'm right with you. let me know how it goes. we can sort out getting you a device to dev on Feb 15 14:17:10 that's very noble ... i develop paid apps to get money for further development Feb 15 14:17:26 because i can't afford buying all these devices, and the equipment too much Feb 15 14:17:41 hope one day i get enough money to get the pad and all Feb 15 14:18:43 Luckily I can afford stuff on my day job salary Feb 15 14:18:50 but I outlay a lot of money for Spaz Feb 15 14:18:55 well. relatively speaking Feb 15 14:19:39 * gour sent email Feb 15 14:20:08 i just have too much expenses for my family Feb 15 14:20:30 no doubt. I'm lucky I can do it! Feb 15 14:20:39 funkatron: i belive there are other devs from the 3rd world countries who deserve it before myself...i haven't even learn JS.. Feb 15 14:20:49 it's easy to be principled when you can afford to be. Feb 15 14:21:20 funkatron: programming is not my bread & butter.. Feb 15 14:21:31 I gotcha Feb 15 14:26:35 hay Feb 15 14:27:33 yo Feb 15 14:28:13 did you see? the Pixi now can now OC to 849! Feb 15 14:28:21 nice Feb 15 14:28:28 if only I had one 8D Feb 15 14:28:56 I don't know if I want to turn my phone into a blow torch though :p Feb 15 14:29:16 I have the Palm Catalog feeds turned off in Preware, yet it still loads it Feb 15 14:29:55 Hi Feb 15 14:30:09 hello Feb 15 14:30:10 found the tweet about linphone Feb 15 14:30:25 linphone? you mean winphone? Feb 15 14:30:38 nope Feb 15 14:30:41 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/35192814526529536 Feb 15 14:30:43 linphone Feb 15 14:31:06 a voip client for webos Feb 15 14:31:41 ahh Feb 15 14:31:48 I don't use voip :p Feb 15 14:35:34 the address of my exchange email server has changed, but the email app on the pre isn't letting me edit this in preferences. is there any workaround besides deleting the account and making a new one? Feb 15 14:37:45 gour: seriously? wouldn't that conversion you mention double the effective price? Feb 15 14:38:42 destinal-work: i do not know...take a calc and see...i can borrow you my old HP15C which still works unlike today's crap of hardware :-D Feb 15 14:41:40 that's simply called 'exploation', but what can we do... Feb 15 14:45:19 gour, what price point? lol Feb 15 14:46:25 PatrickC_Pre: we have best economists here :-D Feb 15 14:47:45 lol Feb 15 14:48:49 anyone has an idea how long i'll have to wait after the first mail for early access? Feb 15 14:51:28 hi all Feb 15 14:51:43 I wouldn't say too long, chuqui chews through those emails like they're pizza at a frat house Feb 15 14:51:51 okay Feb 15 14:52:02 hi guys Feb 15 14:52:09 where can i find instructions to build a native app on webos? i found the PDK docs but they don't mention stuff like creating widgets or painting Feb 15 14:52:20 been googling for a while I can't seem to start my palm-inspector Feb 15 14:52:45 what do you mean zbenjamin? Feb 15 14:53:04 well i can use C++ to develop apps for webos right? Feb 15 14:53:19 I am using ubuntu 10.10 with SDK 1.4.5 and I get the following error when trying to start the inspector from a console: http://pastebin.com/CMz7aHPP Feb 15 14:53:21 so where is the api for ui? like widgets, buttons and stuff Feb 15 14:53:27 yes i do that too zbenjamin Feb 15 14:53:35 has someone had this problem before? Feb 15 14:53:44 never use the inspector sorry martinhacks Feb 15 14:53:45 or is that Mojo.* api the stuff i'm looking for? Feb 15 14:53:53 i never use i meant Feb 15 14:53:59 oh ok :) Feb 15 14:54:07 ah yeah.. you mean mojo zbenjamin Feb 15 14:54:19 hmm but how do you "debug" your css code then? Feb 15 14:54:30 pdk is just for building your own stuff... mostly used for games Feb 15 14:54:48 joetweeply: ah ok, the naming of the classes like Mojo.Widget made me belive its js api Feb 15 14:55:09 well mostly i used basic layouts without too much css martinhacks ... for anything else mojo.log.info was enough Feb 15 14:55:42 well i maybe want to try to integrate Qt into WebOs, and i need access to a basic window and the painting api in C++ Feb 15 14:55:43 well I don't mind clicking the "run" button a few more times joetweeply but I thought there was a better way Feb 15 14:56:12 joetweeply: can you point me to the right place? Feb 15 14:56:24 you mean for pdk zbenjamin? Feb 15 14:56:48 martinhacks well i never needed the inspector Feb 15 14:57:00 ok I guess I'll forget the palm-inspector then and wait for enyo, thanks joetweeply Feb 15 14:57:35 joetweeply: lets say i want to write a app entirely in C++ for WebOS is that possible? Feb 15 14:57:44 joetweeply: no js at all Feb 15 14:58:03 thats how i do it with my games zbenjamin ... i write it with sdk on linux, test and all, and when it's done i build it for the pdk Feb 15 14:58:52 zbenjamin: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1977&Itemid=374 this here should be what you need Feb 15 14:58:56 joetweeply: ok so porting Qt should be possible Feb 15 14:59:16 wasn't it done before? Feb 15 14:59:21 not sure Feb 15 14:59:27 but yeah... should be possible Feb 15 14:59:47 erm afaik you needed to kill webos ui to run a app, but i want to integrate it with a new plugin technology called lighthouse Feb 15 15:00:04 but you are right maybe i just need to look how they did it Feb 15 15:00:41 anyway so lets say i want to code a app showing a window that just contains a label with "Hello World" how would i start in C++? What gui apis can i use? Feb 15 15:00:44 take a look at the example apps in the pdk package zbenjamin ... the build scripts are straightforward Feb 15 15:01:11 dunno about gui... for my games i make my own Feb 15 15:01:56 ok, one last question whats the difference between sdk and pdk? because on some page the hp homepage mentioned sdk is available for linux only, on a other they said development for webos is only possible on win and osx Feb 15 15:02:45 okay so SDK is the javascript stuff, where you use mojo to create apps. this is done in js + html5. this can be done on windows, linux and mac because you run it on the emulator that uses virtual box Feb 15 15:03:06 the pdk is a way to compile c++ apps for the palm pre. the compiler is just available and supported for windows and max Feb 15 15:05:20 ok so pdk is only possible for win and osx atm , okay thanks for your help Feb 15 15:06:17 you're welcome Feb 15 15:12:25 I wish they made a version of Ares for offline use lol Feb 15 15:18:45 yes, Qt is already available for webos, it should be in preware Feb 15 15:19:23 i knew it Feb 15 15:20:07 btw, someone port freoffice please :) Feb 15 15:21:31 joetweeply: erm i just realized webos has Qt build in: http://opensource.palm.com/2.0.0/index.html Feb 15 15:21:38 i wonder if its useable for apps developers Feb 15 15:21:50 not easily Feb 15 15:22:34 you'd need to runtime-configure it to render to a bitmap... Feb 15 15:22:56 hm i thought about using lighthouse Feb 15 15:23:04 you'd have to statically link and include it in every app you make to get it in the app catalog Feb 15 15:23:11 and maybe let it render into sdl or opengl Feb 15 15:23:39 so webos does not support installing libraries for apps? Feb 15 15:23:58 pretty sure not officially Feb 15 15:24:00 those are all for Linux lol Feb 15 15:24:03 well if you compile it with the compiler, why not Feb 15 15:24:24 hay haeffb_pre Feb 15 15:24:26 like i compiled lua for my game with it Feb 15 15:24:35 hay Feb 15 15:24:50 how's it goin? Feb 15 15:24:51 joetweeply: do you statically link it with your app? Feb 15 15:24:57 i've never seen an app in the catalog pull in another app... unlike preware which does have dependencies Feb 15 15:25:21 yeah zbenjamin... though the app is not in the catalog yet Feb 15 15:25:22 if I don't respond.. school :( lol Feb 15 15:26:24 in a meeting...kinda slow Feb 15 15:26:58 for example the qt port for android, can fetch the libraries if they are not installed, they use a wrapper around the app to make shure the libs are available Feb 15 15:27:56 hi again, another question, is it possible to debug the javascript code within eclipse? Feb 15 15:31:10 not really. use palm-log or Ares debugger. Feb 15 15:33:32 * PatrickC_Pre really wants a webOS computerrrrr! please palm, before next century? :) Feb 15 15:33:51 palm-log locked up my command line Feb 15 15:34:23 ok thanks haeffb_pre Feb 15 15:34:42 yeah I use the log all the time with the follow (-f) option Feb 15 15:35:27 I'm still new to SDK programming, so I'm still learning all the loops and hoops to go through ;) Feb 15 15:35:48 yeah me too Feb 15 15:35:48 I have been doing Ares for about 6-8 months though Feb 15 15:35:50 its fun though Feb 15 15:36:09 fun.... not really for me :p Feb 15 15:36:17 lol ok Feb 15 15:36:18 I'm just learning js so.... lol Feb 15 15:36:28 its a little harder for me :p Feb 15 15:36:38 lets put it this way Feb 15 15:36:47 more fun than c#, java or c programming :) Feb 15 15:36:57 I like a good challenge though, and with all the help on here. you can't go wrong! Feb 15 15:37:11 I need to learn all those :( Feb 15 15:37:21 android and iOS require them :/ Feb 15 15:39:03 if you have a paid app open source, and someone compiles it and installs it, what is that considered? lol Feb 15 15:39:11 I have paid apps I want to open source Feb 15 15:40:48 Ares can be used with Enyo? Feb 15 15:41:33 not that I know of ATM Feb 15 15:41:44 it's considered OK Feb 15 15:41:52 but Enyo discussion should not be on here ;) Feb 15 15:42:19 depending on the license you use Feb 15 15:42:35 GPLv2 Feb 15 15:42:54 then it's ok Feb 15 15:43:00 or. lemme look at the other I was using Feb 15 15:43:22 or AGPLv3 Feb 15 15:43:50 probably ok but I don't know the license terms... Feb 15 15:44:29 but "most" people won't do that Feb 15 15:45:14 technically, they could probably repackage and sell your app Feb 15 15:45:38 wow Feb 15 15:45:46 hola Feb 15 15:45:52 hay joebpre Feb 15 15:47:10 what's new ? Feb 15 15:47:15 but, again, that's pretty unlikely...imo...especially with a community who would be outrages by such an act Feb 15 15:48:03 yea, I dont think developers would repackage and sell an app Feb 15 15:48:25 maybe package and try/fail at making it better, or use code snippets from it Feb 15 15:49:43 joebpre: nothin much new, just talking bout open source license stuff Feb 15 15:50:53 wow it's been a week sine hp had that announcement eh ? Feb 15 15:51:03 * PatrickC_Pre says visit http://awesomeapps.wordpress.com :) Feb 15 15:51:28 what announcement? big Feb9? tomorrow will be a week Feb 15 15:51:53 and no Pre3 yet! they need to hurry up ;) Feb 15 15:52:16 404 Not Found Feb 15 15:52:35 on my link? lemme check Feb 15 15:52:42 PatrickC_Pre: on the hp product page its says : available this summer Feb 15 15:52:57 I know... lol Feb 15 15:53:11 seems i need to buy the pre2 :( Feb 15 15:53:41 joebpre: I ment http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com :p, got my 2 sites mixed up lol Feb 15 16:41:11 Hi. New webos user here, some concepts are still alien. For example I wonder how you'd stop a background application? In this case, spaz. Want to use it to read tweets, but close it completely now? Feb 15 16:41:33 have you looked at the preferences Feb 15 16:41:40 probably not Feb 15 16:41:49 its there for sure Feb 15 16:42:26 I did. But obviously I don't get it. Feb 15 16:42:48 The accounts screen only allows to "login", not to log out again. The preferences just offer a ton of options when to refresh and how to alarm. Feb 15 16:43:09 I don't see a way to just quit it. Feb 15 16:43:17 since I wrote Spaz, I can guarantee you that there are indeed ways to turn it off Feb 15 16:43:23 in the preferences. Feb 15 16:43:54 :D Feb 15 16:44:04 funkatron: Whoa.. Seriously: I didn't say you're a liar, I said I cannot find it. Guess this is the wrong place to ask for help? Feb 15 16:44:12 funkatron: maybe you removed it from "he's" version Feb 15 16:44:29 okay Feb 15 16:44:32 open your preferences Feb 15 16:44:44 I'm looking at those right now. Feb 15 16:44:48 first: check notification settings. maybe you would just want to get fewer notifications? Feb 15 16:45:03 secondly, if you REALLY want to NEVER get notifications Feb 15 16:45:11 see "Checking for new messages"? Feb 15 16:45:16 Configured those. I like them the way they are now, I just don't want to check for tweets all the time (i.e. during the night) Feb 15 16:45:18 and where it says "Check Automatically?" Feb 15 16:45:22 turn it off. Feb 15 16:45:46 darklajid: generally this isn't a user help channel, but sometimes you might get lucky ;) Feb 15 16:45:47 where do I put the code to play audio in my button? Feb 15 16:46:02 k. Now it's 'dead' when I leave it? Thanks.. Feb 15 16:46:02 I have the code, but idk where to put it Feb 15 16:46:04 lol Feb 15 16:46:04 also: help.getspaz.com. it's right there in the "Help" info Feb 15 16:46:53 sugardave: Ah, that's fine for me. I'd love to get into webos development, that's why I bought this thing in the first place. Came today, I'm still struggling it seems. Feb 15 16:47:07 you will get used to it and love it Feb 15 16:47:12 dev is fun Feb 15 16:48:09 I love development (it irritates me some times though :) Feb 15 16:48:39 sugardave, what is the best way to play a online radio station via a button tap? Feb 15 16:49:07 funkatron: Thanks. And thanks for creating a free/open twitter client in the first place. But I did arrive on getspaz before, found the FAQ link (which leaves to a different site) only now found the "help & support" thing on the right (which opens a popup with what seems to be a different thing/knowledgebase) and didn't find the help.* link. Feb 15 16:49:53 ah, help.getspaz.com === spaz.tenderapp.com Feb 15 16:50:03 sugardave: I'm sure I will. It's gorgous so far and I'm looking forward to play with the SDK. Installing in another window in parallel right now. Feb 15 16:50:15 funkatron: Ah.. Ok :) Feb 15 16:50:23 anyway, see on that site where it says "start a discussion?" that's how we do support. Feb 15 16:50:43 darklajid: webOS development is a lot of fun Feb 15 16:51:06 PatrickC_Pre: you could just let the Palm audio player play it, I think Feb 15 16:51:50 I know that, but can't figure out where to put the code for my button :p Feb 15 16:51:58 in the tap handler Feb 15 16:53:32 tap handler? lol Feb 15 16:53:46 I know nothing about js coding :p Feb 15 16:53:50 only Ares coding Feb 15 17:02:33 * Josef_B kills his pre Feb 15 17:02:43 well open sessions if you will Feb 15 17:05:43 wierd Feb 15 17:11:01 man. I setup me menu just how Webos101.com shows me how, and it didn't work :( Feb 15 17:12:02 PatrickC_Pre can i pm ? Feb 15 17:12:10 yep Feb 15 17:12:54 ok its official I no longer have a reason to stay with sprint Feb 15 17:13:04 why not? Feb 15 17:13:25 They are changing their policy towards sprint premier customers Feb 15 17:13:42 unless you have a higher tier plan, you cant get an upgrade every year Feb 15 17:13:52 this is the same for everyone Feb 15 17:13:57 yea, that stinks Feb 15 17:14:06 but it is every /22/ months :p Feb 15 17:14:20 lol yeah, from every 12 to every 22 Feb 15 17:14:29 but its not 24 Feb 15 17:14:52 I think ill be moving to Verizon at any cost... they seem to get all kinds of phones now Feb 15 17:15:08 they do Feb 15 17:16:30 PatrickC_Pre: you create a function to do something (launch the audio player in your case) and you assign that function as the listener/handler for the Mojo.Event.tap event on your button...so when you tap it, that handler is fired and does what you want it to do Feb 15 17:17:00 http://webos.pastebin.com/gAv4Tyii Feb 15 17:17:07 menu help please :) Feb 15 17:17:28 I'm going to try the button later, for now, just trying to get app menu working lol Feb 15 17:17:57 it's handleCommand not handelCommand Feb 15 17:18:04 ctladvance: To be fair, the Sprint premier program was pretty crazy to begin with. I'm not surprised they realized it was a bad idea. For the consumer, it rocked, but not for the company. Feb 15 17:18:50 hay Feb 15 17:18:56 Why not, they locked you into another 2 years every 1 year Feb 15 17:19:09 but I understand Feb 15 17:19:31 http://www.aboutwebos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/webOSKeyboardShortcuts11.jpg Feb 15 17:19:35 if you didn't know Feb 15 17:19:39 I think its time to start paying the full price for devices so I a m not locked into anything, ever Feb 15 17:19:53 the reason it was crazy is because that 2nd year is where they make the most money off you Feb 15 17:19:58 thanks sugardave Feb 15 17:20:00 trying it now Feb 15 17:21:19 still didnt work Feb 15 17:21:27 bummer Feb 15 17:21:46 yea Feb 15 17:21:49 hmm Feb 15 17:22:01 ill upload the changed code to pastebin Feb 15 17:22:59 http://webos.pastebin.com/k45xzPaV Feb 15 17:23:15 PatrickC_Pre: you can't use myMenuModel and myMenuAttr in MainAssistant because they only exist in StageAssistant Feb 15 17:23:31 what? Feb 15 17:23:57 hm, thats what webos101 says to do Feb 15 17:24:04 http://webos101.com/AppMenu_Example Feb 15 17:24:45 anyone got any stats on whether the Pixi is *worth* supporting? Feb 15 17:25:07 hmm, well, I wouldn't do it like that, but I guess it should technically work since those vars are declared in the stage asst setup function? Feb 15 17:26:02 im am going to copy/paste from webos101 Feb 15 17:26:15 i was typing it in before, will try it again now Feb 15 17:27:21 still not working :/ Feb 15 17:30:27 hay chuqui! Feb 15 17:31:46 hey ho! Feb 15 17:35:07 hey chuqui ... thanks for the first mail... now i'm waiting for the second Feb 15 17:38:16 working on it... (typity type type Feb 15 17:38:41 great... thanks a lot Feb 15 17:38:55 chyq, you type so much, you must go through like 10 keyboards a month :) Feb 15 17:39:04 *chuq* Feb 15 17:39:23 nonono, see, their hp keyboards. its more like 20 :p Feb 15 17:39:49 * halfhalo kids, he kids Feb 15 17:40:06 lolæ Feb 15 17:40:33 man, i wish i could get the appMenu to work! lol Feb 15 17:40:34 br Feb 15 17:40:42 *brb* lunch time Feb 15 17:40:53 * PatrickC_Home just saw that he has a HP keyboard :p Feb 15 17:51:32 anyone sync there pre with the cable and w/ outlook ? Feb 15 17:54:04 only thing im getting is companion link Feb 15 17:57:03 i love freenode dos attacks Feb 15 18:08:06 i know why webos has no rumour sites / news / lots of feeds like android .. cause webos just works Feb 15 18:08:07 :D Feb 15 18:11:37 hay everyong :) Feb 15 18:12:42 yo PatrickC_Pixi Feb 15 18:13:07 glad to have uall back :) Feb 15 18:13:47 good to have you back ;) Feb 15 18:13:48 lol Feb 15 18:18:46 so. hows everyone after the netsplit? Feb 15 18:18:46 lol Feb 15 18:21:50 * gour is ok Feb 15 18:22:10 hoping us Pre+/1 owners get an ota update to 2.0 on the 17th :) 'or in the coming hours after' ;) Feb 15 18:22:22 it won't be ota Feb 15 18:22:30 no? Feb 15 18:22:31 unless things change yet again Feb 15 18:22:32 no Feb 15 18:22:43 it might come in the form of a doctor Feb 15 18:22:44 heh Feb 15 18:22:44 what is on the 17th, anyway? Feb 15 18:22:44 does it really matter? Feb 15 18:22:44 but no ota Feb 15 18:22:50 Pre2 launch Feb 15 18:23:16 oh Feb 15 18:23:16 I likethe doctor. would prefer that anyways. :) Feb 15 18:23:49 afaik, it won't be too difficult to update... Feb 15 18:24:38 pre2 on vzn launch yea Feb 15 18:24:38 hay ChanServ! lol Feb 15 18:24:44 but not on sprint :( Feb 15 18:24:52 guest48642, what happened? Feb 15 18:25:19 meh Feb 15 18:25:27 * Josef_B is on AT&T Feb 15 18:25:43 * PatrickC_Pixi is on sprint Feb 15 18:25:49 nickserv happened Feb 15 18:25:59 lol Feb 15 18:29:07 Reading in several places that keeping dev mode on is a security risk. What's the risk involved here? Whereever I plug in via usb someone can get root (i.e. not an issue for me) or is there a remote risk involved as well? Feb 15 18:29:40 I always leave it in dev mode Feb 15 18:29:45 i don't see how Feb 15 18:29:56 cause then you can install ipk's from cmd line Feb 15 18:30:03 you have to ssh to 127.0.0.1 .. i don't think anyone can scan 127.0.0.1 other than you Feb 15 18:30:22 Thanks. Feb 15 18:30:32 jay josef Feb 15 18:37:43 any devs of preware on? Feb 15 18:39:22 darklajid: I always leave dev mode on Feb 15 18:41:05 sugardave, what would make preware load a feed that I have turned off Feb 15 18:41:37 gremlins? Feb 15 18:41:49 how do I solve it? Feb 15 18:42:20 unknown, I haven't had that problem...did you try to uninstall/reinstall Preware? Feb 15 18:42:25 there is an app in the Precentral feeds that is also in the catalog feeds, but I want the app out of the PIC feed Feb 15 18:42:37 and it won't load the app from the PC Feed Feb 15 18:42:47 no, that's the one thing I didn't do :p Feb 15 18:43:11 are you positive it isn't the precentral feed redirecting you to the app catalog version? Feb 15 18:43:41 nope, cause my pre sees the PC app and not the catalog app Feb 15 18:44:14 obviously not, if it's loading the app catalog one :D Feb 15 18:44:44 the pixi loads the catalog one, the pre loads the PIC one Feb 15 18:44:52 oh, 2 phones Feb 15 18:44:52 I gotcha Feb 15 18:45:08 yep Feb 15 18:45:14 one personal, one dev phone Feb 15 18:45:52 well, I would remove the app, remove preware, reinstall preware, config for no app catalog, then refresh the feeds, install the app Feb 15 18:46:28 I'm gonna remove preware, and re-install it Feb 15 18:47:55 hay SineOt Feb 15 18:48:23 hey Feb 15 18:48:43 hows it goin? Feb 15 18:49:00 Pretty good Feb 15 18:49:10 preware takes forever to load the feeds Feb 15 18:49:17 even when I'm not updating them.. Feb 15 18:50:59 too many apps :) Feb 15 18:51:11 hahaha Feb 15 18:51:16 you NEVER hear that one Feb 15 18:54:19 you can never have too many apps Feb 15 18:54:32 293 is not too many :) Feb 15 18:55:34 preware caches the whole list of feeds, though Feb 15 18:55:38 much more than 293 apps Feb 15 18:55:39 npt another netsplit! Feb 15 18:55:53 no, I have 293 installed :p Feb 15 18:55:59 yeah Feb 15 18:57:09 preware removed Feb 15 18:57:13 now, to install it again Feb 15 18:58:14 man, PatrickC_Pixi, seriously Feb 15 18:58:22 how many of those 293 do you even use on a regular basis Feb 15 18:58:50 not many lol Feb 15 18:59:02 then why leave them installed? Feb 15 18:59:20 y not? Feb 15 18:59:20 yeah I only ever use about 4-5 of them Feb 15 18:59:34 I just never have the time to uninstall them :p lol Feb 15 19:01:02 hay guys Feb 15 19:01:14 PatrickC_Pixi is awesome :) Feb 15 19:01:52 come on PatrickC_Home, you aren't painting a very good picture :p Feb 15 19:02:09 can't figure out Github, too busy to press a total of 1 button to delete an app :p Feb 15 19:03:16 i cant figure out github either :) Feb 15 19:03:35 I know you can't :p Feb 15 19:03:57 Adora: pong! Feb 15 19:04:00 lol Feb 15 19:04:03 chuqui: pong! Feb 15 19:04:22 SineOt: pong! Feb 15 19:04:50 put some effort in, PatrickC_Home :[ Feb 15 19:05:02 Internalz isn't registering as my ipk handler :( Feb 15 19:05:12 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11351 Feb 15 19:05:18 i put effort into that :) Feb 15 19:10:21 "this.comtroller.pushScene('support');" Feb 15 19:10:23 Comtroller? :p Feb 15 19:11:42 ok, well, my problem wasnt that it wasnt pushing the scene :p Feb 15 19:11:42 it trolls com for you Feb 15 19:11:42 it wont mod the app menu at all Feb 15 19:12:15 where is the ares debugger? Feb 15 19:12:33 i know that you can access the ares debugger by itself but cant find it Feb 15 19:13:50 ares.palm.com/debugger I think Feb 15 19:14:28 nope Feb 15 19:15:12 if I had to guess it's because in your main assistant, it's viewing myMenuAttr etc as undefined Feb 15 19:15:49 so change this Feb 15 19:15:49 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, myMenuAttr, myMenuModel); Feb 15 19:15:52 to this Feb 15 19:16:01 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu); Feb 15 19:16:04 ah, here it is http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Feb 15 19:17:03 thanks! Feb 15 19:17:06 trying to load it now Feb 15 19:17:58 loaded but locked up Feb 15 19:23:01 i removed the ", myMenuAttr, myMenuModel" and it still isnt working Feb 15 19:26:05 just logged the app and im posting the log to pastebin cause i dont understand it :p Feb 15 19:27:09 what it is Feb 15 19:27:23 http://webos.pastebin.com/9UMJFQdM Feb 15 19:27:29 what what is? Feb 15 19:27:37 exactly Feb 15 19:27:42 and hay codeslaw Feb 15 19:27:45 lol Feb 15 19:27:50 sup Feb 15 19:29:43 "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token }, app/ Feb 15 19:29:44 assistants/main-assistant.js:25" Feb 15 19:29:58 What's on line 25 of main-assistant.js? Feb 15 19:30:09 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("playButton"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleUpdate); Feb 15 19:30:53 You sure that's line 25? There's no curly brackets Feb 15 19:32:25 augh you kept changing the code and running it again didn't you Feb 15 19:32:42 no Feb 15 19:32:50 ill upload a screenshot Feb 15 19:32:58 that is the 25 line for the main-assistant.js Feb 15 19:40:47 sine, photobucket wont let me upload it Feb 15 19:40:56 looking at the log though, you keep relaunching the app Feb 15 19:41:11 and end up tripping different problems each launch Feb 15 19:41:26 most likely because you're changing code, relaunching, rinse repeat Feb 15 19:42:03 that i am doing Feb 15 19:42:14 but i am uninstalling the app and then re-installing the app every time Feb 15 19:42:38 tip: the log you posted to paste bin still has all the stuff caught from each time you rerun the app Feb 15 19:43:10 hmmm Feb 15 19:43:17 how do i get just the most recent log? Feb 15 19:43:28 you scroll to the bottom and read :T Feb 15 19:43:39 lol Feb 15 19:44:00 [20110215-13:22:24.917801] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widg et ' ', since it has not been set up. Feb 15 19:44:05 that is the most recent :) Feb 15 19:44:11 yeah I have no idea wtf you're doing there Feb 15 19:44:26 lol Feb 15 19:45:16 the line you posted has an extra ) Feb 15 19:46:12 what line? Feb 15 19:46:25 this one Feb 15 19:46:25 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("playButton"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleUpdate); Feb 15 19:46:45 and there's no need to uninstall Feb 15 19:46:45 ok Feb 15 19:47:06 but i still dont understand why its not working Feb 15 19:47:38 oh. no it doesn't Feb 15 19:50:16 PatrickC_Home: do you see where the log begins at each app launch? Feb 15 19:51:53 yes Feb 15 19:52:00 hay sine, welcome back Feb 15 19:52:18 the newest log after the last install was "[20110215-13:22:24.917801] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widg et ' ', since it has not been set up." Feb 15 19:53:15 and there's a bit about your menu not having a model or attributes Feb 15 19:53:30 fix that, and make sure your listener is actually calling a function, since it complains about that too Feb 15 19:53:45 start at the top...one error often causes several others Feb 15 19:56:44 PatrickC_Home: pastebin your main-assistant.js Feb 15 19:57:08 ok Feb 15 19:57:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/7j8B0e0i Feb 15 19:57:57 wow, the pastebin addon for Chrome is nice Feb 15 19:59:37 wow, reading that log makes my head hurt lol Feb 15 20:00:02 why? Feb 15 20:00:28 why what? does it make my head hurt? Feb 15 20:00:37 it is confusing lol Feb 15 20:00:48 and just about everything it was complaining about was fixed Feb 15 20:01:20 brb Feb 15 20:04:27 back Feb 15 20:04:38 is enyo framework for writing 3.0 apps or for 2.2 as well, iow. is enyo going to be longer-term solution for writing webos apps? Feb 15 20:04:53 that's why you only look at the latest bit of the logs from when you last ran the app, PatrickC_Home Feb 15 20:05:11 if it's that confusing, clear the display before you relaunch! Feb 15 20:05:27 gour: I'm pretty sure that Enyo apps will run on 2.2 and 3.0 Feb 15 20:05:46 and then by proxy also run on the webOS PC solution, whatever it turns out to be Feb 15 20:06:03 ta Feb 15 20:06:24 I've heard rumors that Enyo even runs on 1.4.5 devices, but IDK if it's true or not Feb 15 20:11:47 i told the command line "palm-log -f com.awesomeapps.wjbcapp and now it wont stop Feb 15 20:11:49 it just keeps the thing stuck, and i cant give any new commands Feb 15 20:11:51 ctrl+c? Feb 15 20:11:52 worked, thanks Feb 15 20:11:55 i just wish that the code would work! lol Feb 15 20:12:09 wjbc? Feb 15 20:13:47 chrome locked up Feb 15 20:16:44 what's wjbc? Feb 15 20:17:41 is my Church Feb 15 20:17:46 im making an app for them Feb 15 20:18:24 ah Feb 15 20:18:29 yep Feb 15 20:18:36 they have a radio station, and want an app for it Feb 15 20:19:39 church of the flying spegetti monster has a good app for webos Feb 15 20:20:19 *spaghetti Feb 15 20:20:29 anyone tried to run webOS on Android (or the other way around)? Feb 15 20:21:52 why should you run android on a webos device+ Feb 15 20:21:57 sounds a lot like "downgrading" Feb 15 20:22:00 i think i saw a youtube video of one Feb 15 20:22:27 hotdp: good point Feb 15 20:22:46 dadirtypanda, i think that youtube video was fake Feb 15 20:22:46 not totally sure though Feb 15 20:23:41 yeah prolly I don't really remember Feb 15 20:23:46 * SineOt needs to learn some more Node.JS! Feb 15 20:23:53 it was Feb 15 20:26:09 i changed the type of button from a default button to an activity button and it broke the app! Feb 15 20:26:13 now the app wont launch Feb 15 20:27:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/JUST6GUc Feb 15 20:27:32 what does this log mean? Feb 15 20:27:43 not another netsplit Feb 15 20:28:13 json parse error :D Feb 15 20:28:47 PatrickC_Home_ have you valideted the json? Feb 15 20:28:49 it means your JSON is fucked Feb 15 20:28:49 http://www.jsonlint.com/ Feb 15 20:30:51 im on the jsonline.com and it cant make up its mind! lol Feb 15 20:31:19 here is my JSON http://webos.pastebin.com/GmAXLqWX Feb 15 20:31:48 missing comma Feb 15 20:31:50 that's not even close to valid JSON Feb 15 20:32:18 acutally, not a comma Feb 15 20:32:22 not just a comma Feb 15 20:32:24 move the {"source": "app/models/appmenu.js"} out of the array for your main scene Feb 15 20:32:36 and place a comma after it Feb 15 20:33:25 like this http://webos.pastebin.com/S0kdvReq Feb 15 20:33:42 still need a comma Feb 15 20:33:46 http://webos.pastebin.com/7GUWxcr9 Feb 15 20:33:48 i fixed it :) Feb 15 20:34:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/CgRk72mF Feb 15 20:34:04 woo! Feb 15 20:34:17 http://webos.pastebin.com/9gjYRRuL Feb 15 20:34:20 aaa, you beat me to it haeffb! Feb 15 20:34:28 but mine is better formatted ;D Feb 15 20:34:58 lets see if this works now Feb 15 20:35:16 :) Feb 15 20:35:28 wow Feb 15 20:35:30 and im suppose to code Feb 15 20:35:34 that looks complicated Feb 15 20:35:57 JSON isn't complicated :p Feb 15 20:35:59 it's not complicated Feb 15 20:36:04 just have to make sure that stuff closes right Feb 15 20:36:11 just insistent about syntax Feb 15 20:36:24 now it is only showing my index.html Feb 15 20:36:42 if you can put a period in the right place in a sentence, or write "quotes" properly, you basically have everything you need to write JSON Feb 15 20:36:42 which i have set to say "Loading... Please wait...." lol Feb 15 20:36:50 PatrickC_Home_: check the log! Feb 15 20:36:58 ok Feb 15 20:37:41 if it doesn't work, check the log Feb 15 20:37:51 now it is telling me that the scene main could not be pushed, did you remember to put it in the sources.json Feb 15 20:37:54 and i did! Feb 15 20:37:58 lol Feb 15 20:38:06 i wish computers understood english Feb 15 20:38:42 PatrickC_Home_ that would be to easy Feb 15 20:39:10 but i like easy, i use cheats on games :) Feb 15 20:39:13 PatrickC_Home_: there's a bug that is probably getting listed right above that Feb 15 20:39:15 cant i cheat here lol Feb 15 20:39:24 probably something complaining about an unexpected token Feb 15 20:39:30 hell Feb 15 20:39:35 don't just read the last line on the log Feb 15 20:39:38 there is an unexpected token lol Feb 15 20:39:48 if there was an app or something / dev related where i can tell it what i want / give it images and it do the work for me Feb 15 20:39:55 i would be shelling out apps like its nobodys business Feb 15 20:40:00 Ares Feb 15 20:40:18 PatrickC_Home_ but you still have to program Feb 15 20:40:26 not alot though Feb 15 20:41:17 [20110215-14:35:08.142189] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: StageAssistant is not defined, app/models/appmenu.js:1 Feb 15 20:41:21 what this be meaning? Feb 15 20:42:04 someone who knows Hyperspin in here` Feb 15 20:42:44 probably a typo in your stage-assistant.js Feb 15 20:42:49 are u using eclipse? Feb 15 20:42:51 but will hyperspin help me? lol Feb 15 20:42:56 nope Feb 15 20:43:00 doing it all by hand Feb 15 20:43:19 eclipse doesnt run good on my computer Feb 15 20:43:21 copy stage-assistant.js into http://jslint.com and let it tell you where the problem is. Feb 15 20:43:37 or pastebin stage-assistant.js Feb 15 20:43:41 ugh PatrickC_Home_ why did you move your app menu code into its own JS file? Feb 15 20:44:14 that was what i was instructed to do :) Feb 15 20:44:15 appmenu.js is referencing StageAssistant Feb 15 20:44:24 by Arthur Thorton on the forums Feb 15 20:45:02 here is what the jslint says http://webos.pastebin.com/LjX3u5YR Feb 15 20:46:21 and so you go and look at line 28... Feb 15 20:46:41 whats between line 27 and 28? Feb 15 20:46:52 or pastebin stage-assistant.js Feb 15 20:47:05 so we can help without taking wild guesses as to what's wrong. Feb 15 20:47:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/9/93/Girlfriends.jpeg Feb 15 20:48:02 im glad that was immortalized on the wiki Feb 15 20:48:25 that picture makes me want to cry for its level of terribleness Feb 15 20:48:58 http://webos.pastebin.com/jAhU8StC Feb 15 20:49:03 there is the stage-assistant.js Feb 15 20:51:51 * oil doesnt remember who made the image, or the context, but it made me lol Feb 15 20:51:54 well, how does it look? Feb 15 20:52:22 missing : on line 38 Feb 15 20:52:56 could that be what was tripping the whole thing up? Feb 15 20:53:14 fyi, I found that by pasting your code into a file in eclipse and it immediately told me where the error was and what the error was... Feb 15 20:53:19 yes, it could Feb 15 20:53:30 but I'm guessing you have more errors in other files... :) Feb 15 20:53:42 still only showing the index.html Feb 15 20:53:44 regarding HPalm's free Pre2s for "qualified developers", what constitutes a "qualified developer"? Feb 15 20:53:47 lemme log again Feb 15 20:53:53 free Pre2s? :O Feb 15 20:54:08 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/ Feb 15 20:54:10 they gave out 100 pre2's Feb 15 20:54:22 presuming you actually need to have released an app Feb 15 20:54:31 and now they're going beyond that first 100 Feb 15 20:55:26 adora chuqui: What is a "qualified developer"? Feb 15 20:55:40 ATT needs to send me a free touch pad for being a loyal customer for like 6 years Feb 15 20:55:42 0_o Feb 15 20:55:45 err Feb 15 20:55:51 s/touch pad/touchstone Feb 15 20:56:09 you want a Touchstone instead of the TouchPad? XD Feb 15 20:56:11 now the log is teling me to include the main scene in the sources.json, and it is! Feb 15 20:56:14 lol Feb 15 20:56:21 i want a touchpad more then a touchstone Feb 15 20:56:31 maybe cause i already have a touchstone :p Feb 15 20:56:59 what's your sources.json look like now? Feb 15 20:57:34 dgathright: a qualified developer is someone who emails the request address with justification of why they should get it, rather than someone who waits until they find out what justification they should email ;) Feb 15 20:57:37 http://webos.pastebin.com/JWVX8fCJ Feb 15 20:57:55 meaning, think ahead Feb 15 20:58:01 :) Feb 15 20:58:21 looks oK Feb 15 20:58:34 thats what i thought Feb 15 20:58:38 ill post the log Feb 15 20:58:52 http://webos.pastebin.com/PWnGq7ef Feb 15 20:59:18 rwhitby: haha. Fair enough. I already have more Palm devices than I know what to do with, just curious for others I know who are interested in webOS development (cc adora chuqui) Feb 15 20:59:44 line 1 in there says ther Feb 15 20:59:53 e's a problem with your main-assistant.js Feb 15 21:00:30 I think rod's got the right of it. If you don't ask, you reject yourself and can't get one... Feb 15 21:00:41 hi chuqui Feb 15 21:01:20 hey! Feb 15 21:01:24 Huh, is it not possible to change the email associated with your Developer.Palm.Com account? Feb 15 21:01:26 Problem at line 16 character 21: Expected ':' and instead saw '.'. Mojo.Widget.activityButton Implied global: Widget 16, Mojo 23,26 Feb 15 21:01:27 hey chuqui Feb 15 21:01:31 chuqui: thanks to you and adam d for the surprise in the mail yesterday. Feb 15 21:01:37 hay Chuqui! Feb 15 21:01:57 supprise in the mail, i didnt get one :p Feb 15 21:02:23 it is telling me to add a ":" to "Mojo.Widget.activityButton" Feb 15 21:02:42 I take no credit for that. I only get to take blame for what isn't. Feb 15 21:03:39 no, we blame oil. Feb 15 21:03:49 * rwhitby blames chuqui for the lack of fuel cell technology in the Pre 3. Feb 15 21:03:54 wheres the blame whele when you need it Feb 15 21:03:54 PatrickC_Home_: so, add a : Feb 15 21:03:57 noooooo! Feb 15 21:04:12 but make sure you add it in exactly the right place. Feb 15 21:04:29 but it tells me to make it look like this "activity:Button" Feb 15 21:04:39 and then that throws up all kinds of errors Feb 15 21:04:52 * dgathright blames chuqui for no webOS toaster announcement last week. Feb 15 21:04:56 rwhitby: it's my fault Feb 15 21:05:00 dgathright: it's my fault Feb 15 21:05:28 but your name isnt on the wheel'o'blame Feb 15 21:05:36 haeffb: what was the surprise in your mail? Feb 15 21:05:43 a box of puppies Feb 15 21:05:50 PatrickC_Home_: pastebin the main assistant js Feb 15 21:06:02 oil, finally received my developer Pre from back in Oct/Nov Feb 15 21:06:09 http://webos.pastebin.com/qw4bdZbN Feb 15 21:06:12 awesomea Feb 15 21:06:16 or whenever the "free developer device" program was Feb 15 21:06:19 haeffb: ah Feb 15 21:06:20 and it's a 2 Feb 15 21:06:25 nice Feb 15 21:06:27 October, yeah Feb 15 21:06:30 dont you already got one of em though? Feb 15 21:06:39 yea October 31 was the last day Feb 15 21:06:41 can never have enough Pre2's Feb 15 21:06:52 verizon has a bunch though Feb 15 21:06:56 /me just googled 'programmable toasters', came up empty on interesting results. I really think HP can dominate this lucrative market. Feb 15 21:07:11 well, Pre2's you can, but a Pre3, now thats something that you can never have enough of Feb 15 21:07:30 speaking of Verizon, we need a Verizon Pre 2 serial number so we can get the doctor ... Feb 15 21:07:51 cant wait for the free Pre 3 to qualified developers Feb 15 21:07:52 PatrickC_Home_: you need to have something more there. Feb 15 21:08:01 something more? Feb 15 21:08:05 like what? Feb 15 21:08:05 can't wait for the free Pre 3 to qualified original device owners Feb 15 21:08:12 as the "something special" Feb 15 21:08:13 that too Feb 15 21:08:21 * dgathright wonders if he can trade in 3 Pre1's for 1 Pre3? Feb 15 21:08:24 lol Feb 15 21:08:26 cant wait for the touchpad dev device program Feb 15 21:08:29 the math is there, for sure Feb 15 21:08:32 lol Feb 15 21:08:33 type: Mojo.Widget.activityButton Feb 15 21:08:57 device just needs to be released so webosinternals can buy rwhitby and I one :) Feb 15 21:09:13 still throws up the error for the ":" Feb 15 21:10:01 like so: http://webos.pastebin.com/7rG4mDEu Feb 15 21:10:28 i got an email from sprintusers about a topic thats blowing up over at their site Feb 15 21:10:40 people are seeing if the vzw iphone can be used on sprint Feb 15 21:10:51 dawm: carriers dont care about their users Feb 15 21:10:55 wellt here both cdma right dawm Feb 15 21:10:57 we know this Feb 15 21:11:02 yeah both cdma Feb 15 21:11:08 Good luck convincing Sprint to activate it Feb 15 21:11:18 like at&t could have been awesome with the iphone the whole time Feb 15 21:11:21 yeah, Sprint wouldn't touch it Feb 15 21:11:22 but instead they were dicks Feb 15 21:11:29 until verizon started wooing their customers Feb 15 21:11:30 http://lh5.ggpht.com/_pNjxfNpf2Ts/THtQg8hGscI/AAAAAAAAE4c/n_wOVsaePLM/s800/PrototypesExposed.png or http://lh5.ggpht.com/_pNjxfNpf2Ts/THtQg8hGscI/AAAAAAAAE4c/n_wOVsaePLM/s800/PrototypesExposed.png Feb 15 21:11:31 I thought one of the CDMA carriers had a policy of open access to their network ? Feb 15 21:11:35 thats what happens when you read the fourms Feb 15 21:11:40 rwhitby: lol, open access Feb 15 21:11:42 rwhitby, that was verizon Feb 15 21:11:42 thats the day Feb 15 21:11:45 oops same link Feb 15 21:11:49 supposed that's verizon lol Feb 15 21:11:57 years back vzw stated they would alow any compatible device on their network (After device approval) Feb 15 21:12:02 never happened Feb 15 21:12:17 ah, so that's "open" access, like "unlimited" data ? Feb 15 21:12:18 yeah, but from what I've read of the "open access" it's mostly just like "I'm designing phones can I test them on your network" and zero changed for end users Feb 15 21:12:22 Error: Implied global: Mojo 16,23,26 Feb 15 21:12:22 http://www.google.com/search?q=sprint+activate+verizon+phone Feb 15 21:12:25 http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/11/verizon-opens-up-will-support-any-device-any-app-on-its-network.ars Feb 15 21:12:28 rwhitby: yeah Feb 15 21:12:32 November 27, 2007 Feb 15 21:12:35 haeffb, there is still an error for that Feb 15 21:12:37 PatrickC_Home_: does it run now Feb 15 21:12:38 ? Feb 15 21:12:55 the error is "Error: Implied global: Mojo 16,23,26" when run through the JSLint Feb 15 21:12:57 http://www.ehow.com/facts_5771776_can-sprint-phone-verizon-service_.html Feb 15 21:13:01 rwhitby: or like "all you can eat" Feb 15 21:13:07 jslint will show errors or warnings for some things that will still run... Feb 15 21:13:11 it's very strict Feb 15 21:13:14 which has a plate limit Feb 15 21:13:14 jslint is too picky Feb 15 21:13:17 ok, i will try it again Feb 15 21:13:21 surely someone will work out how to reprogram the modem in the VZ iphone to masquerade as their old Sprint Pre- Feb 15 21:13:23 that explains why verizon has an explosion of chinese android phones Feb 15 21:13:29 DERP. Feb 15 21:13:34 * oil goes back to work Feb 15 21:13:52 Derp. Feb 15 21:14:15 *sigh* Feb 15 21:14:46 now it works Feb 15 21:14:55 but i do not have the custom button "Donate" on there Feb 15 21:16:58 oh, chuqui: was there ever a final verdict on if developers can use press images to show their app "running" on the device for personal websites? Feb 15 21:17:03 you've only setupWidget for one button Feb 15 21:17:13 are there more in your .html ? Feb 15 21:17:25 im talking about in the app menu Feb 15 21:17:34 you also need to define a handleUpdate method in main-assistant.js Feb 15 21:17:39 i want a thing in the app menu (like help) that says donate Feb 15 21:18:03 oh. I have no idea what you're doing, only seeing pieces of code here and there... :) Feb 15 21:18:47 well, i have where it there should be a lable that says Donate Feb 15 21:19:21 you also need to set up your app menu in main-assistant scene Feb 15 21:19:26 http://webos.pastebin.com/JDFJqUdb Feb 15 21:19:34 but the app menu works Feb 15 21:19:43 the Preferences and Help part are working Feb 15 21:20:39 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, {omitDefaultItems: true}, myMenuModelClearHighscores); Feb 15 21:20:55 you have to tell it what you're using for the model in setupWidget Feb 15 21:21:10 and that should be done in the scene assistant, not the stage assistant. Feb 15 21:21:43 but it isnt "Clear High Scores" it is "Donate" Feb 15 21:21:46 so just change that part? Feb 15 21:23:35 no... you have created a (global) variable called myMenuModelClearHighscores that contains the items you want in your menu Feb 15 21:24:10 when you call setupWidget for the app menu (which is a widget) you have to tell it what you want in it's model. Feb 15 21:24:21 you've already created myMenuModelClearHighscores that contains that info Feb 15 21:24:28 just tell setupWidget to use it. Feb 15 21:24:42 ugh Feb 15 21:24:58 dawm, whats up? Feb 15 21:25:01 oh, hey dawm Feb 15 21:25:05 got an email from a user asking where to find the android version of my app, i replied back saying i dont dev on android, only webos Feb 15 21:25:11 and the email bounced back unknown user Feb 15 21:25:30 now its gonna be like i ignored them Feb 15 21:25:46 funny tho a webos user turned droid asking for a webos app Feb 15 21:26:47 well..if they can't even figure out how to setup their email... Feb 15 21:28:15 PatrickC_Home_: I'm out. Talk to you later. Feb 15 21:28:27 talk to ya later Feb 15 21:28:41 yeah, if it bounced, I wouldn't really worry too much about it dawm Feb 15 21:28:56 now, i just have to figure out why it launches one scene, but not the other.... Feb 15 21:29:54 not worried, annoyed :P Feb 15 21:30:09 man, setting up the appmenu is annoying lol Feb 15 21:30:15 tis easy Feb 15 21:30:28 no, it doesnt like me lol Feb 15 21:31:01 i told it for "command: 'do-donate'" to "pushScene("donate")" and it doesnt work Feb 15 21:31:35 [20110215-15:29:59.357238] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widg et ' ', since it has not been set up. Feb 15 21:31:40 this is what the log tells me Feb 15 21:32:10 you either are misspelling your widget name in the JS, or you have a widget in your HTML that's broken Feb 15 21:34:07 but everything is spelled right Feb 15 21:34:25 and the html is just "
Donate
" Feb 15 21:36:19 this is so confusing! lol Feb 15 21:36:23 bbl Feb 15 21:36:31 time for a break, head about to explode :) Feb 15 21:36:44 PM me if there is something that would benefit me ;) Feb 15 21:38:28 the div has no id Feb 15 21:45:52 it doesn't need one Feb 15 21:46:02 it works fine like that in my other 2 scenes Feb 15 21:49:33 hi ThawkTH_ Feb 15 21:50:07 Hi! Feb 15 21:50:09 Hello everyone! I've got a bit of Linux experience and have been reading up as best I can on "plussing" phones but what I'm wondering is has anyone tried "2"ing a plus? I have a Pre2 GSM unlocked phone and a Verizon Pre plus that I am using on my service and would like to try using the Pre2 - anybody tried this or have any idea where to turn? Feb 15 21:51:38 what do you mean by "2"ing? Feb 15 21:51:54 he wants to turn a VZW Pre+ into a VZW Pre2 Feb 15 21:51:58 Yep Feb 15 21:52:43 I'm aware that I could potentially sell the Pre2 GSM on ebay and purchase a VZW one for a bit more far more easily but...I've been scammed for than a few times that way. Feb 15 21:54:42 when you already have a pre2 why do you want to do something to your other phone? Feb 15 21:54:45 EBay'ing giveaway phones? >:( Feb 15 21:55:03 step 3 Feb 15 21:55:12 people ebay everything Feb 15 21:55:34 doesn't make it right Feb 15 21:56:08 joetweeply: he has a NotUsed Pre2, and a Inuse Pre+ Feb 15 21:56:19 then just use the pre2 Feb 15 21:56:36 a -GSM- Pre2 and a -CDMA- Pre+ Feb 15 21:56:39 but the Pre+ is on VZW, who doesnt use SIM cards Feb 15 21:56:50 they don't? Feb 15 21:56:56 nope Feb 15 21:57:03 only TMobile and ATT use SIM cards Feb 15 21:57:05 then how do they do that? Feb 15 21:57:05 no Feb 15 21:57:15 very stupidly Feb 15 21:57:16 even if they did it's completely different wireless technology Feb 15 21:57:17 Dear Europe, be very happy you dont have this kind of mobile madness. Feb 15 21:57:24 they use CDMA Feb 15 21:57:33 wow... never heard of that kind of thing Feb 15 21:57:41 yep Feb 15 21:57:46 i wish everything was GSM Feb 15 21:57:53 I don't! :] Feb 15 21:57:55 i always thought when they speak about gsm that means that it is bought here Feb 15 21:58:00 y not? Feb 15 21:58:03 man i hate my dell mini9.. why oh why did i buy this crap Feb 15 21:58:24 u should haev bought the webOS mini Feb 15 21:58:42 because even if everything was GSM you'd still have everything being on a billion frequencies and it's just kind of pointless Feb 15 21:59:18 freaking thing hangs all the time, cant even do anything on this.. so much for SSD being lightning fast Feb 15 21:59:37 dawm: what OS are you running on it? Feb 15 21:59:52 * sugardave ponders getting another Pre 2 from the dev program. Feb 15 21:59:58 xp, osx was too glitchy and even worse resolution than my macbook ;p Feb 15 22:00:12 XP is terrible! :p Feb 15 22:00:15 put 7 on it Feb 15 22:01:01 i'd love to have a pre2 ... not available in germany :/ Feb 15 22:01:45 I feel somewhat greedy, but it would be nice to have 2 2s that I can test bluetooth things with. Feb 15 22:01:50 whatever they mean by qualified Feb 15 22:02:03 bbl Feb 15 22:02:08 thawkth_: Send an email to devmarketing@palm.com and say you have a GSM Pre2 and you'd like to exchange it for a VZW CDMA one. No idea if they can help out, but worth a shot. Feb 15 22:02:25 dawm: try Jolicloud Feb 15 22:02:53 dgathright, he has a VZW Pre, but wants to turn it into a VZW Pre2 Feb 15 22:02:56 what Feb 15 22:03:07 dawm: http://www.jolicloud.com/ Feb 15 22:03:10 i need windows, this mini is used for my drag car Feb 15 22:03:16 dgathright: hmmm, CDMA you say.... Feb 15 22:03:17 and the software requierd is windows Feb 15 22:03:26 Jolicloud is nice, but it is still missing a few features last I checked it Feb 15 22:03:28 aww Feb 15 22:03:38 dawm: 7 is a lot nicer on Netbooks than XP is/ever will be Feb 15 22:03:44 so if you can find a copy, that's the way to go Feb 15 22:03:45 i need to grab some settings for a buddy but this pos is taking forever Feb 15 22:03:49 yeah i know Feb 15 22:03:53 patrickC_Home_: I know. Asking for a diff model is prolly easier than hacking it it himself. Feb 15 22:04:23 sugardave: Feel less guilty by giving it to someone else to do dev work with it when you are done testing with it. Feb 15 22:05:24 so can anyone just email and request a Pre 2? I'd like one but I feel greedy asking after I got a Pre+ some months back. Feb 15 22:05:43 dohtem, how you gonna do 2.0 on a pre+ ? Feb 15 22:05:49 dohtem: see http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/ Feb 15 22:05:53 i believe asking for a pre2 is valid Feb 15 22:06:26 howdy! Feb 15 22:06:26 dawm: the emulator. Hit F7 and turn you head sideways :) Feb 15 22:06:46 * ajay_ makes angry birds noise at turning head sideways Feb 15 22:07:11 meh Feb 15 22:07:27 if thats the case then you didnt need a pre+ Feb 15 22:07:30 dohtem: Pre2 is waaaay better than a Pre+ (webOS 2.0, node.js, eventual Enyo support). Like I told sugardave, feel less guilty by giving it any extra Pres you have to someone who wants to do dev work. Feb 15 22:08:08 hm, just saw someone selling a pre+ 2 OEM car chargers and a touchstone for $125.. sounds like a good price cuz my VzPre+ is shot, but damn a Pre2'd be nice! Feb 15 22:08:31 yeah, the Pre2 gives you access to later updates like 2.2 Feb 15 22:08:41 ajay_: a micro usb car charger? Feb 15 22:08:51 and with Enyo dev moving to the browser and away from the emulator, then you're going to start losing that Feb 15 22:09:09 and can't really do any performance testing in the emulator because conditions on device are no doubt much different Feb 15 22:09:32 Alright, I'll ask em ;p Feb 15 22:09:36 dohtem: of course.. what else would a Palm car charger be? Feb 15 22:10:06 that was a rhetorical question btw Feb 15 22:10:23 I still demand a Linux SDK! Feb 15 22:10:31 err, PDK Feb 15 22:10:40 ajay_: $125 is nuts. I got an excellent Motorola "rapid rate" charger for $10 Feb 15 22:11:04 ajay_: I forgot the , after the Pre+, it's a Pre+, 2 OEM car chargers and a touchstone Feb 15 22:11:07 heh, verizon was dumping a charger and touchstone combo for cheap for a long time Feb 15 22:11:25 I see the Pre2 offer as being "hey, those Pre+ we gave out won't be useful for 2.0 testing, have a device that will be" :p Feb 15 22:11:27 lo all Feb 15 22:11:37 Loudergood: Still are, $15, i just bought it and was underwhelmed.. it's the Dock-only, Vz-branded car charger, and a leather holster Feb 15 22:11:47 SineOt: true that Feb 15 22:11:55 SineOt: Oh I didn't meet you on Wed! Doh Feb 15 22:12:15 yeah, and the branded car charger is strong enough to power the touchstone ;) Feb 15 22:12:32 Hi folks. New here. The new Enyo SDK? Available yet for download? Feb 15 22:12:33 actually the other day it was charging my phone on that and my brother's iphone Feb 15 22:12:34 oh, you were there? Feb 15 22:12:42 Loudergood: the vz one will do it too.. i didn't know the touchstone had power requirements that must be met Feb 15 22:12:50 SineOt: I asked you for a ride from near Santa Clara, remember? :) Feb 15 22:12:59 no ,_, Feb 15 22:13:05 it was like a month ago :) Feb 15 22:13:07 I mean the vzw one... Feb 15 22:13:10 * SineOt obviously has terrible memory! Feb 15 22:13:13 kfife: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/preview-enyo-with-sdk-early-access-program/ Feb 15 22:13:17 it's pretty nice Feb 15 22:13:31 dohtem: ;-) Feb 15 22:13:40 sineot: I see the Pre2 offer as being "Hey, we just announced the Pre3 before the Pre2 is even available in the US. We're going to have a shitload of these leftover. Time to unload!" :) Feb 15 22:13:47 Loudergood: oh, k :) I definitely prefer my car charger like Palm's - separate USB cable from device, but it is nice with its extra USB-port available Feb 15 22:13:58 well, dgathright, yeah, it's that too :] Feb 15 22:14:01 But they're offering what, GSM? Feb 15 22:14:06 dgathright: they'll bury the rest next to those old ET Atari games Feb 15 22:14:15 apparently mostly GSM, no one knows if they have any CDMA ones to give out Feb 15 22:14:40 I already got a free GSM Pre2 on Wed, I need a CDMA one (For myself) Feb 15 22:14:50 and yeah I have two holsters now...anyone want one? Feb 15 22:14:55 where'd you get one on wednesday? :C Feb 15 22:15:10 SineOt: Palm, via messenger (WebOS Roundup) Feb 15 22:15:30 ah, wasn't anything related to the dev event? Feb 15 22:15:34 nope Feb 15 22:15:41 webosroundup.com/2011/02/webosgatherup-a-smashing-success/ Feb 15 22:15:58 here I was going to be like, "I was too busy eating free food and asking questions about the TouchPad to have seen the booth giving out Pre2s" Feb 15 22:16:05 haha Feb 15 22:16:21 SineOt: It was an invisible booth next to the angry birds posters.. ;^) Feb 15 22:16:22 Did anyone else see how MASSIVE the new chargers are? Feb 15 22:16:31 the touchpad charger? Feb 15 22:16:40 yeah, and I assume the Pre3 charger as well Feb 15 22:16:55 why would the pre3/veer chargers be any differently sized? Feb 15 22:17:02 it's like two current chargers stacked atop one another and then with a bit more girth to it Feb 15 22:17:18 no idea, but the power strip at the TouchPad demo stations had like 4 of the massive ones and one of the small ones Feb 15 22:17:24 http://hphotos-ash1.fbcdn.net/175455_10150139005285479_32915930478_8438330_3139743_o.jpg Feb 15 22:17:26 I asked about it but the demo guy didn't really know Feb 15 22:17:30 25/8 :P Feb 15 22:17:33 hmm, it does seem like a TOUCHpad should be compatible with a TOUCHstone, just realized.. ;^) eh! next life.. :) Feb 15 22:18:08 yeah, the TouchPad has a TouchStone :p Feb 15 22:18:19 * ajay_ *coughs* demo guys didn't know a lot *cough* Feb 15 22:18:20 It's more of a cradle sort of thing that the pad rests against Feb 15 22:18:34 ahaha... the demo guy I was watching seemed to know a lot Feb 15 22:18:49 and would be honest with some of the questions about features with "yeah that's not even working yet" Feb 15 22:18:49 dawm: Oh hmm, I didn't take enough pics you just made me realize! Feb 15 22:19:06 SineOt: Which guy was that, left right or center? Feb 15 22:19:11 thats at hp hq Feb 15 22:19:17 oh! Feb 15 22:19:21 like pinch to zoom being nonexistent in the photo app (WTF) Feb 15 22:19:24 facebook Feb 15 22:19:25 left Feb 15 22:19:34 http://www.facebook.com/palm Feb 15 22:19:40 Oh.. I spent the most time with the right, and overheard the one in the center.. Feb 15 22:19:52 * sugardave sent for Pre 2 #2. Feb 15 22:20:30 did they send you one? Feb 15 22:20:33 or did you email them for one? Feb 15 22:20:41 devday Feb 15 22:21:09 * ajay_ wants CDMA Pre 2 #1.. will trade for Pre 2 GSM Feb 15 22:22:15 kfife wants a software radio on a pre 2 so he can switch between AT&T & T-Mobile 3G frequencies :-) Feb 15 22:22:21 haha Feb 15 22:22:28 or hell, I'd settle for 2 hardware radios! Feb 15 22:22:32 deliciousmorsel: I just sent the email Feb 15 22:23:05 or one 6-band Feb 15 22:31:15 dangit. I commented out the tracking in the latest update in koto Feb 15 22:31:25 fudge noodles. Feb 15 22:32:00 oops Feb 15 22:32:14 time to submit ANOTHER update Feb 15 22:32:26 Tibfib: you will become the HP APC of the app catalog.. Feb 15 22:32:26 j/k Feb 15 22:32:35 lol Feb 15 22:32:39 do you include changelog? Feb 15 22:32:45 so, if I got a pre 2 in the mail yesterday, should I still apply for the new free pre 2 program.... ? Feb 15 22:32:54 otherwise people will just think you're working hard on adding features ;) Feb 15 22:33:09 * ajay_ does think its funny that HPalm has criticized devs for constant updates, considering there's CONSTANT HP APC updates Feb 15 22:33:30 Loudergood: I do include a changelog Feb 15 22:33:35 but "Turned tracking back on" is not a good changelog message Feb 15 22:33:39 haha Feb 15 22:33:45 is going for "behind-the-scenes improvements" Feb 15 22:33:46 is there an option to turn it off, a la drPodder? Feb 15 22:34:01 ajay_: nope Feb 15 22:34:06 I just track installs Feb 15 22:34:11 I don't care about anything else Feb 15 22:34:20 the versionitis people are going to love you Feb 15 22:34:43 yeah, I'll have to wait a week or so for another update Feb 15 22:34:43 is this thing on? Feb 15 22:34:46 round 2 Watson vs. the humans Feb 15 22:34:52 haeffb_pre: maybe ? Feb 15 22:35:17 well...you have to be able to justify it to them I think Feb 15 22:35:22 my bad. forgot to scroll Feb 15 22:35:28 lol Feb 15 22:35:37 who won rnd 1? Feb 15 22:35:48 Watson and a meatbag were tied Feb 15 22:36:03 sugardave: ever play KOTOR ? Feb 15 22:36:19 no...knights of the old republic? Feb 15 22:36:22 yeah Feb 15 22:36:31 * haeffb_pre thinks it is high time the machines took over Feb 15 22:36:38 impressed you know the game, even if you haven't played it Feb 15 22:36:39 nooooooooooooooooooo Feb 15 22:36:48 sugardave: there's a droid in kotor that calls humans meatbags Feb 15 22:36:52 haha Feb 15 22:36:58 can't mess things up any worse than we have Feb 15 22:37:15 haeffb_pre: indeed, I'm ready to live life like the Eloi Feb 15 22:37:44 intravenous dr pepper? Feb 15 22:38:16 mmm Feb 15 22:38:27 Woot! Feb 15 22:38:33 I forgot I had fixed a bug Feb 15 22:38:37 there we go Feb 15 22:39:47 trying to sell me gsm Pre 2, someone just offerred me $300 for it.. bogus! Feb 15 22:40:05 why? Feb 15 22:41:11 ajay_ why would you sell a gsm pre2 ? Feb 15 22:42:32 likely because he has cdma service and wants to get a cdma pre2 Feb 15 22:43:02 hmm Feb 15 22:43:13 cmda you can't multitask and use other data service Feb 15 22:43:17 why would there be cdma anyway Feb 15 22:45:10 Josef_B: Well soon there will be linphone, and then i CAN multitask! :) Feb 15 22:45:23 Louder FTW Feb 15 22:45:50 ajay_ yea i keep seting testing in #webos-internals for linpone but im on ATT so i don't think i need that correct ? Feb 15 22:46:10 Josef_B: You don't need it if you don't have VoIP, it's not really related to your carrier Feb 15 22:46:32 but for me, it can be a way around that restriction. Feb 15 22:46:37 so disappointing: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/review.png Feb 15 22:46:49 That, actually, is a benefit of Palm moving to LTE on Verizon - simultaneous voice+data.. the best benefit, imho Feb 15 22:46:55 (in the near term) Feb 15 22:47:18 So it doesn't look like Palm has a way to mandate 2.0 as version # yet? Feb 15 22:47:23 min req i mean Feb 15 22:47:39 ajay_: yep Feb 15 22:47:42 kinda sad Feb 15 22:47:49 linphone doesn't always answer. I had to test call it 3 times last time. I'm still testing it. Feb 15 22:47:55 there a photobucket / imageshack app so i can post images to it or would i juse use th dropboxify thing Feb 15 22:47:58 Tibfib: Yeah I downloaded a demo app today, it didn't work, but i was surprised it 1) showed up and 2) let me Feb 15 22:48:08 to find a pattern. Feb 15 22:48:10 scoinva: weird.. Feb 15 22:48:30 ya. I might be my NAT router... maybe. Feb 15 22:48:35 * ajay_ swears he has to login to dev.palm.com multiple times always Feb 15 22:48:47 scoinva: Have you used it over data connection yet? Feb 15 22:49:02 yes. It works great wifi or 3G. Feb 15 22:49:03 ajay_: another reason for LTE (imo) is the more efficient use of spectrum will decrease the probability that the cell will be so congested as to have the carrier down-rate you to a shitty half or quarter rate voice codec. Feb 15 22:49:16 I'm using 0.1.5 so 3G works ok. Feb 15 22:49:26 kfife9961: they can adjust the voice codec? I didn't even think about that! Feb 15 22:49:31 yeah that's a better reason Feb 15 22:49:35 Yes. Feb 15 22:49:37 scoinva: .5? crap :) Feb 15 22:49:46 I love mobility but HATE the voice quality. Feb 15 22:49:47 "ok"? not good Feb 15 22:50:24 On my desk is a WIDEBAND (g.722) supporting phone. It's totally 'tits' when connected pure IP to another wideband supporting endpoint. Feb 15 22:50:26 ajay_: yup. I'm also getting a random phone reboots. Feb 15 22:50:36 but not often. Feb 15 22:50:43 * ajay_ says damnit, can't get "enyo face" outta his head! Feb 15 22:50:49 woa! Feb 15 22:50:50 I'm still looking for the pattern. Feb 15 22:51:02 wideband? Feb 15 22:51:06 I'll be stoked when the carriers start pushing AMR wideband on LTE Feb 15 22:51:23 Think 'better than skype' on a normal PSTN call. Feb 15 22:51:26 ajay: wideband? -> me? Feb 15 22:51:36 what's wideband? (is what i'm wondering) Feb 15 22:51:58 I'm using wifi to cable modem. Feb 15 22:52:25 Linephone ROCKS! just some minor things. Feb 15 22:52:37 ajay_: Wideband refers to the dynamic range of the audio. Feb 15 22:53:19 is this how to make a appmenu button push a scene? Feb 15 22:53:21 case 'do-donate': this.controller.pushScene("donate") break; Feb 15 22:54:06 ajay_: Instead of AM Radio "through a pillow" think somethign closer to CD audio. Feb 15 22:54:33 scoinva: It's pretty neat.. until it works with gizmo-outgoing calls i can't really test it though.. Feb 15 22:54:52 I use Gizmo5 dail out Feb 15 22:54:59 scoinva: what! Feb 15 22:55:08 scoinva: on both .4 and .5? Feb 15 22:55:10 PatrickC_Home_: yep Feb 15 22:55:18 haeffb_pre: sucker Feb 15 22:55:25 yes Feb 15 22:55:35 if that code is in your stage-assistant Feb 15 22:55:47 lol Feb 15 22:56:01 well, thats where it is, and its still not working! lol Feb 15 22:56:15 try it harder! Feb 15 22:56:40 it is telling me that the widget has not been setup... Feb 15 22:56:57 would that be in the main-assistant or the stage-assistant Feb 15 22:57:00 which widget? Feb 15 22:57:27 it just tells me Feb 15 22:57:34 [20110215-16:54:30.412144] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget ' ', since it has not been set up. Feb 15 22:57:50 ajay: I sent you a link that explains my current experience with Linphone and Gizmo5 Feb 15 22:58:29 links? ppht Feb 15 22:58:30 ;^) Feb 15 22:58:59 scoinva: Oh you don't call out WITH gizmo5 though Feb 15 22:59:07 i mean, with linphone Feb 15 22:59:13 sounds like something broken in the .html Feb 15 22:59:38 I do Feb 15 22:59:51 hmm.. i couldn't hear audio on incoming or outgoing calls, but they could hear me Feb 15 23:00:05 you link your Google Voice number to Gizmo5 Feb 15 23:00:22 guys, you should be discussing Linphone in #webos-internals, not #webos. The two channels are not interchangeable. Feb 15 23:00:31 ajay: Oh. Gotcha. You're using the Gizmo5 settings. Feb 15 23:00:41 rwhitby: lo siento Feb 15 23:00:42 yeah you fucking dicks Feb 15 23:00:43 versus using Google Voice settings. Feb 15 23:01:03 hahahaha Feb 15 23:01:25 ... Feb 15 23:01:37 ajay: I'll test that out. Feb 15 23:01:58 funkatron: :) Feb 15 23:02:22 ajay: reinstall Feb 15 23:02:34 scoinva: pst, we're supposed to switch channels! Feb 15 23:02:37 ajay: that what I had to do to fix it. Feb 15 23:02:54 ah Feb 15 23:02:59 haeffb_pre: here is all the contents of the HTML "
Donate well "
Donate
" lol Feb 15 23:03:17 freaking div's... what have they ever done for me! Feb 15 23:03:23 lol Feb 15 23:03:31 well, how else do i make a header :p Feb 15 23:03:46 frames and tables Feb 15 23:03:55 :| Feb 15 23:03:56 is that any harder? Feb 15 23:04:07 i like to take the easy way out :) Feb 15 23:04:24 I... nevermind..... Feb 15 23:04:30 lol Feb 15 23:04:46 I..... just want this to work! lol Feb 15 23:05:40 wrong .html Feb 15 23:05:53 what do you mean "wrong .html"? Feb 15 23:06:06 oh god Feb 15 23:06:35 I mean you have another one with your button... Feb 15 23:06:44 don't you? Feb 15 23:06:51 yea Feb 15 23:07:06 the code in that is Feb 15 23:07:08 so...wrong .html Feb 15 23:07:12
Main


Feb 15 23:07:19 the other is broken Feb 15 23:07:33 hmm what would be wrong with that? Feb 15 23:07:46 the contents of the one with the button is Feb 15 23:07:47
Main


Feb 15 23:08:01 or something else is broken... Feb 15 23:08:21 i dont see anything else broken... Feb 15 23:08:30 * sugardave laughs. Feb 15 23:08:58 well, i should know by now, there is always something broken with my code :p Feb 15 23:12:03 hay sine Feb 15 23:13:30 * Tibfib is officially leaving sprint: http://www.precentral.net/sprint-premier-changes-will-wipe-out-existing-one-year-upgrades-after-march-31 Feb 15 23:13:49 well, depends on how long you have been with sprint Feb 15 23:13:58 how long have you been with Sprint Tibfib Feb 15 23:14:15 doesn't really matter. I'm still leaving them Feb 15 23:14:37 Tibfib: why leaving? Vz just did something similar Feb 15 23:14:39 if you have been there 10+ years, then you still get the 1yr upgrade time Feb 15 23:14:46 ajay_: wanna use my pre2 on at&t Feb 15 23:14:58 i just met someone on feb9 that has had sprint for 8 years.. so close! Feb 15 23:15:00 PatrickC_Home_: oh, lol. only been there 2 years Feb 15 23:15:05 or so Feb 15 23:15:12 lol Feb 15 23:15:37 Tibfib: but ATT is more expensive no? on feb9 i watched a Sprint Pre become a Pre2! Feb 15 23:15:42 sprint for 6.5 years. i'm pretty sure I'm leaving too Feb 15 23:15:55 ajay_: I want sim cards Feb 15 23:15:59 I may be leaving but it's not from the upgrade bullshit Feb 15 23:16:01 why all the defections? Sprint is the cheapest of the carriers no? Feb 15 23:16:04 changing my button to this http://webos.pastebin.com/LrUDUT6L made the scene break lol Feb 15 23:16:08 and I think it'll be similar in price Feb 15 23:16:13 (of the big carriers, that is) Feb 15 23:16:14 ajay_: they do not carry my device of choice Feb 15 23:16:24 me too Feb 15 23:16:28 it -was- the cheapest, but they're doing stuff that removes most of the benefits Feb 15 23:16:38 PatrickC_Home_: well you killed it :) Feb 15 23:16:41 lemme fix it Feb 15 23:16:48 lol Feb 15 23:16:52 ok thx Feb 15 23:17:09 between the new 10$ 3G data charge, then a 10$ 4G data charge, removing all the benefits that made them worth picking over other carriers even if the choice of devices wasn't the best... Feb 15 23:17:41 PatrickC_Home_: there: http://webos.pastebin.com/q1cWbzPu Feb 15 23:17:44 but they have the Pre-!!!!! one of the best phones out there! Feb 15 23:17:48 well /had/ lol Feb 15 23:17:51 * Tibfib has pre2 Feb 15 23:17:52 and /was/ Feb 15 23:18:08 sugardave: sure, but.. we don't know what's happening for the pre3.. personally, i'd imagine i'd want to find out for that first.. Feb 15 23:18:11 i think they're still the cheapest Feb 15 23:18:17 even after that Feb 15 23:18:22 a little bird told me some things Feb 15 23:18:24 * Tibfib bets pre3 is coming to at&t or verizon Feb 15 23:18:30 and I have no reason to doubt their assessment Feb 15 23:18:45 there will be not a Pre 3 on Sprint unless it magically starts doing WiMax Feb 15 23:18:50 * Tibfib dad is now on at&t so he can go family plan Feb 15 23:18:59 's* Feb 15 23:19:12 bbl Feb 15 23:19:20 wow Feb 15 23:19:23 people coming to ATT Feb 15 23:20:01 ATT probably cares more about webOS than any of the other carriers, lol Feb 15 23:20:08 lol Feb 15 23:20:10 ajay_: but my contract doesn't end until June, so I have a little longer wait I can handle Feb 15 23:20:19 Tibfib, bought koto player today Feb 15 23:20:20 tibfib, that automatically opens the streaming player, i want it to open on button tap Feb 15 23:20:52 nice work Feb 15 23:21:37 * PatrickC_Home_ really wants to get this app working! Feb 15 23:21:41 bbl Feb 15 23:21:45 time for some Madden 11 Feb 15 23:22:10 tibfib, can you PM me the link on how to make a button tap open the streaming player? Feb 15 23:22:14 thx Feb 15 23:22:16 add? Feb 15 23:22:28 add what? Feb 15 23:22:38 i tried to add the code, but the place i put it, broke the code :p Feb 15 23:23:00 you use the button examples and instead of whatever they do in their tap handler, you put the function to open the audio player Feb 15 23:23:08 ta-da- Feb 15 23:23:40 you know what sugardave, that just might work :) Feb 15 23:24:21 it's crazy enuf! Feb 15 23:24:38 g2g Feb 15 23:27:26 hm, would the changes to the Sprint Premier stuff be a material change of contract? Feb 15 23:27:51 sure Feb 15 23:27:56 run with that Feb 15 23:28:05 you will get raked over the coals Feb 15 23:29:02 hah, I'm mostly just curious Feb 15 23:29:55 I bet i you pushed the right person hard enough they would let you without the ETF fee Feb 15 23:30:15 * sugardave leaves out and stuff. Feb 15 23:31:07 I have one line off contract and one until Aug. :( Feb 15 23:43:47 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14110963/pre/Unknown_2011-15-02_153920.JPG Feb 15 23:43:49 check that out Feb 15 23:44:34 Huh, anyone know where the Palm Emulator pulls its list of possible devices from? Feb 15 23:45:37 there are some config files... Feb 15 23:46:02 hmm Feb 15 23:46:58 I know I had it once where it would show 4 different device options, but I can't remember how I did that Feb 15 23:47:22 funny, I just emailled for a dev coupon the other day. heh Feb 15 23:48:57 SineOt: if you have the .vmdk.zip of a partivcular image, you can run: palm-emulator --install path/to/some_vmdk.zip Feb 15 23:49:08 and it should add it to the popup list when you run palm-emulator Feb 15 23:49:38 okay Feb 15 23:50:12 sometimes installing/re-installing an SDK will wipe out my list and I have to add the ones I want back into it Feb 15 23:50:25 I wonder what file that touches to change Feb 15 23:51:14 Draecos: good man! and thanks! Feb 15 23:52:58 has there been an easy way to unlock the Pre- yet? Feb 15 23:53:12 just sitting in my draw doing nothing at the moment :( Feb 15 23:53:17 so anyone know what "qualified developer" will mean? Feb 15 23:53:39 * Tibfib guesses "has app in catalog" Feb 15 23:53:42 or feed Feb 15 23:53:52 Draecos: unlock? Feb 15 23:54:02 yes Tibfib Feb 15 23:54:03 Tibfib can i pm ? Feb 15 23:54:08 NO Feb 15 23:54:10 YOU MAY NOT Feb 15 23:54:11 lol Feb 15 23:54:12 i have 3 Feb 15 23:54:12 original Pre- on UK o2 Feb 15 23:54:16 actually Feb 15 23:54:20 draecos? unlock? Feb 15 23:54:22 Josef_B: my secretary says no Feb 15 23:54:30 not tried another sim in it yet but i believe its locked to o2 Feb 15 23:54:33 * Tibfib 'll have to fire him Feb 15 23:54:34 joetweeply: a qualified developer is someone who emails the request address with justification of why they should get it, rather than someone who waits until they find out what justification they should email ;) Feb 15 23:54:45 Josef_B: go for it Feb 15 23:54:53 i already sent the email Feb 15 23:55:00 * ajay_ also Feb 15 23:55:06 snap Feb 15 23:55:08 my point for my qualification is that you can't get the pre2 in germany Feb 15 23:55:08 get in line Feb 15 23:55:18 sugardave: lol Feb 15 23:55:46 I got my early access email today :D Feb 15 23:55:48 rwhitby: I'm wondering why you guys have to buy all your phones, but they donated a server? Feb 15 23:56:10 grats geeksquadkid Feb 15 23:56:13 geeksquadkid: sweet Feb 15 23:56:18 nice geeksquadkid Feb 15 23:56:20 already installed the new stuff? Feb 15 23:56:23 ajay_: because the server cost more? Hp isn't required to do nothing Feb 15 23:56:46 geeksquadkid: woa that response is not required/needed Feb 15 23:57:22 ajay_: I'm not trying to be rude I'm just stating the obvious you know? Feb 15 23:57:25 nor logical Feb 15 23:57:34 no Feb 15 23:58:38 My response wasn't logical? then can you explain to me why HP should have to do something for them? Feb 15 23:58:40 and there's a lot of people 'stating the obvious' in the EA forums already,so i hope you don't add to the argumentation/conflict already present Feb 15 23:59:37 ajay_: dude I think your totally takeing me the wrong way. I'm not a problem starter :D this is actually the first time I've started one here haha Feb 16 00:01:08 geeksquadkid: yeah, maybe we're both taking each other wrong. mine was a simple question of curiosity/confusion, wasn't really interested in someone's take, but hopefully instead the actual answer Feb 16 00:01:41 Draecos: hey could you write a review for koto? Feb 16 00:02:01 yer sure, sorry i forgot :P Feb 16 00:02:05 ajay_: I'm pretty sure they asked for the server Feb 16 00:02:07 :) Feb 16 00:02:12 I need to put a link in the app itself Feb 16 00:02:15 will do in the morning, off to bed now Feb 16 00:02:23 sounds good Feb 16 00:02:25 'night Feb 16 00:02:28 Loudergood: yeah it sounds like they did, i wonder if they asked for phones.. Feb 16 00:02:28 nn Feb 16 00:02:47 ajay_: ah alright my bad bro Feb 16 00:03:05 np Feb 16 00:03:14 phone are always a problem due to carriers Feb 16 00:03:55 rwhitby: I thought you guys were mainly buying unlocked GSM dev phones? Feb 16 00:04:19 yep. and now we can request them from HP just like any other qualified developer Feb 16 00:04:49 rwhitby: that wasn't an option before? Feb 16 00:05:09 ajay_: I believe palm used to charge Feb 16 00:05:14 if it wasn't an option for all the developers here, why would it be an option for WebOS Internals developers? Feb 16 00:05:27 i hope you at least got the dev discounts.. Feb 16 00:05:38 we did Feb 16 00:05:45 rwhitby: what are the requirements for requesting a phone now? Feb 16 00:05:56 do you know how to send an email? Feb 16 00:05:59 geeksquadkid: a qualified developer is someone who emails the request address with justification of why they should get it, rather than someone who waits until they find out what justification they should email ;) Feb 16 00:05:59 that is step 1 Feb 16 00:06:29 hmm..anyone have a good recommendation on how to get all the sim based contacts to backup to gmail? Feb 16 00:06:50 LOL I just started cracking up (im on the train) and everyone is stareing at me now o.o Feb 16 00:06:52 Tibfib: I'm working on that big review for Koto Player :] hope to have it done (with pictures!) by the weekend depending on how class load goes Feb 16 00:06:54 I think you'd have to do it individually Feb 16 00:06:54 rwhitby: Um, more like.. rather than requesting donations from the end-users, ask from the source. W/o WOI Palm would be.. Feb 16 00:07:05 SineOt: awesome! Feb 16 00:07:09 * ajay_ just had deja vu Feb 16 00:07:11 ;^) Feb 16 00:07:46 ajay_: if Palm gives phones outside of it's normal qualified developer programs to WebOS Internals developers, how does it justify not also doing the same for all other Mojo developers? Feb 16 00:09:42 lol: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgc10tMhHn1qznqcqo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1297870802&Signature=9R2PpAtijx4d7m6fqeYKkWIV3aE%3D Feb 16 00:11:37 haha Feb 16 00:12:02 rwhitby: i don't think that many would disagree with me that WOI != 'other mojo devs' .. I do appreciate your interest in not putting ya'll at a higher level/tier, not getting special treatment and all that, but.. you folks are not normal Mojo devs by any means Feb 16 00:12:05 (at least in my heart!) Feb 16 00:12:07 "Literally twice as many hydrogen atoms as there are oxygen atoms" - classic Feb 16 00:12:13 "Molecular perfection: literally twice as many hyrdo Feb 16 00:12:19 dangit rwhitby! getting there Feb 16 00:12:29 my favorite part Feb 16 00:12:39 lol Feb 16 00:12:41 it's more like.. palm not giving its own devs devices Feb 16 00:12:45 ajay_: the group of mojo developers extends far past those who are aware of homebrew Feb 16 00:13:07 (oh wait, they don't, haha..) :( Feb 16 00:13:07 i always wondered if the webos internals people do what they do full time Feb 16 00:14:11 rwhitby: sure, but i would argue that there are few (if any, at least outside of major corps) mojo devs with the reach+impact of WOI Feb 16 00:14:49 again, i appreciate your modesty, and at first glance your stance appears to be rooted in social justice, which i also respect Feb 16 00:15:44 there is also the real and "seen" issue of independence that needs to be taken into account. Feb 16 00:16:26 rwhitby: Yeah I noted that in the server donation, didn't totally understand.. it sounds good on face value, but.. Feb 16 00:16:47 Tibfib: you've already been drinking the juice... xD Feb 16 00:17:05 I was actually thinking of how HPalm could hire a developer to work on Homebrew, in the same way that SO many companies hire people currently to work on Linux.. Feb 16 00:17:31 lol Feb 16 00:18:05 ajay_: what's after the "but.." ? Feb 16 00:18:17 ajay_: problem is then palm would be in charge of homebrew. we donr want that. Feb 16 00:18:37 or at least have a say in what it does. Feb 16 00:18:57 rwhitby: the "but" is more about how WOI supports the webOS cmty so thorougly. (And unfortunately, in a way that Palm never has) Feb 16 00:19:05 geeksquadkid: no company is in charge of Linux Feb 16 00:19:38 geeksquadkid: i'm comparing models, not referring to how webOS runs on Linux Feb 16 00:19:46 ajay_: "Yeah I noted that in the server donation, didn't totally understand.. it sounds good on face value, but.." - I don't follow where you're going there. Feb 16 00:21:18 HP does have a history of such things.. Feb 16 00:21:24 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/600004-0-0-0-121.html Feb 16 00:21:54 rwhitby: I saw that in the server donation message that the idea of in5D5Ddependence was really important. I don't completely understand how independence is compromised, or why things need to be done more complicatedly (like donating to the hosting company instead of direct to WOI) to maintain that appearnce Feb 16 00:22:45 ajay_: you saw that at least one person accused me of having my "silence" bought by HP by a server purchase Feb 16 00:23:09 * Josef_B blinks Feb 16 00:23:26 I was wondering what exactly the "silence" was about Feb 16 00:23:27 Loudergood: exactly. I don't know why none of these projects are so strict.. and Debian? talk about Strict! Feb 16 00:23:46 and the donation to OSUOSL rather than to a non-incorporated loosely organised group of developers like WebOS Internals (which has no formal legal entity) actually was easier, and was tax deductible Feb 16 00:23:52 rwhitby: I didn't see that. However, the post-feb9 deluge was filled at attacks.. at EVERYONE. Feb 16 00:24:01 SineOt: basically he wouldn't complain etc because they bribed him Feb 16 00:24:18 geeksquadkid: that was the baseless accusation, yes. Feb 16 00:24:19 s/at/with Feb 16 00:24:50 rwhitby: which is completely false (as we know) but when people arepissed they go crazy Feb 16 00:24:59 yeah, I think that fell well within the penny arcade rule though Feb 16 00:25:27 oh my, chuq was here for all that.. interesting Feb 16 00:25:34 lol Feb 16 00:25:46 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/ Feb 16 00:26:17 ajay_: why "oh my"? Feb 16 00:27:09 rwhitby: Um, not sure why oh my actually :) maybe because it's a lot of politics talk, which he probably gets more than enough of as-is Feb 16 00:27:28 Loudergood: perfect :) Feb 16 00:27:33 I suspect he would rather be aware of such talk, rather than otherwise. Feb 16 00:28:34 * rwhitby notes that "independence" does not mean "not talking to regularly" Feb 16 00:28:41 Would you mind sharing your opinion on the quick install kernels (i.e. overclocking the device)? Baaaad idea? Works fine? Feb 16 00:28:56 "quick install kernels" Feb 16 00:28:57 rwhitby: Would WOI support an Alien Dalvik port? Feb 16 00:28:58 ? Feb 16 00:29:19 * ajay_ actually wonders what 'support' means Feb 16 00:29:22 rwhitby: It offers two non-standard kernels. Feb 16 00:29:41 rwhitby: Both seem to run the cpu at 800 to 1000 MHz Feb 16 00:29:45 darklajid: it's not Quick Install that offers those, it is WebOS Internals. Install them using Preware. Feb 16 00:30:09 darklajid: download the "Preware Homebrew Documentation" app from the official app catalog, and follow the instructions within. Feb 16 00:30:12 rwhitby: Okay, still learning about how to install them the best way. The point is: Should I at all? Feb 16 00:30:20 darklajid: yes Feb 16 00:31:03 rwhitby: I mean, I just don't see how WOI is really independent of HPalm, they're intertied so much.. Feb 16 00:31:20 * sugardave blinks. Feb 16 00:31:33 ajay_: one does not control the actions of the other. Feb 16 00:31:42 * ajay_ thinks there's a blinking virus on this chat room :) Feb 16 00:31:55 rwhitby: Sure, but they're interdependent Feb 16 00:33:11 ajay_: it would be difficult for an organisation called "WebOS Internals" to not have a connection to "WebOS", yes. Feb 16 00:33:14 rwhitby: but, the same is true for all those OSS projects that louder linked too Feb 16 00:33:19 heh Feb 16 00:33:48 however, all members of WebOS Internals are free, on a second's notice, to move their efforts elsewhere. Feb 16 00:34:44 that's why i asked about Alien Dalvik on webOS.. if WOI is a coherent org and has an ability to say no, would it say no to being involved in such a port/project? that almost seems to speak of independence more for me.. Feb 16 00:35:35 We have supported installing different frameworks on webOS devices before, and will continue to do so. Alien Dalvik is just another one, like X11 and Qt, right? Feb 16 00:36:02 as long as there are legal inputs, there is no issue. Feb 16 00:36:55 hmm.. i wouldn't normally think of it as along the lines of X11/qt, as that allows apps to be made available (ported natively) to webOS, but.. maybe it's in the same realm Feb 16 00:37:09 s/that/those Feb 16 00:37:56 i'll have to think about that more.. Feb 16 00:38:37 i can't manage to ask a good question right now, and way late for lunch, so another day.. Feb 16 00:39:12 maybe i'm just not asking the right question to get at the info i'm curious about.. Feb 16 00:39:38 what command does an action on here? (wIRC) Feb 16 00:39:54 /me Feb 16 00:40:03 thanks Feb 16 00:40:05 * sugardave uses /me. Feb 16 00:40:06 * rwhitby bbl Feb 16 00:40:07 ttfn! Feb 16 00:40:21 I've never known and always been too afraid to ask haha Feb 16 00:40:39 that's standard irc command that should work anywhere Feb 16 00:41:04 aight thanks. I tried googleing it but it tells me /action Feb 16 00:41:13 weird Feb 16 00:41:33 oh, that's how you do actions Feb 16 00:41:39 "me" is an action Feb 16 00:41:40 yup lol hence why I was confused. Feb 16 00:42:15 * geeksquadkid is no longer confused Feb 16 00:52:42 has anyone here done replaced the screen + digitizer on their phone (pretty much the top half of the phone) Feb 16 01:02:38 Does anyone use the data tansfer assitant thing ? Feb 16 01:04:11 wIRC hasn't been likeing me today it keeps disconnecting then not allowing me to connect till I reboot Feb 16 01:05:00 hay Feb 16 01:05:42 omg major dups Feb 16 01:05:57 geeksquadkid same issue with me .. i had to reboot and now its working Feb 16 01:06:08 what's up? Feb 16 01:06:21 what happened lol Feb 16 01:06:30 Josef_B then it fights my username till I disconnect and reconnect Feb 16 01:07:17 * geeksquadkid can't get enough of "The Cave" by Mumford and Sons Feb 16 01:08:23 yep Feb 16 01:08:35 geeksquadkid use jtop to kill it and it should work Feb 16 01:08:44 if not .. i had to reboot like you did and now it works like a charm Feb 16 01:08:49 what's going on? lol Feb 16 01:09:04 wow Feb 16 01:09:08 i got a ranodom reboot Feb 16 01:09:15 PatrickC_Pre: wIRC is being retarded. Feb 16 01:09:19 * Josef_B should uninstall this theme Feb 16 01:09:33 themes kill everything Feb 16 01:09:34 Tibfib: good lord this review is going to be MASSIVE Feb 16 01:09:42 wirc sucks Feb 16 01:09:45 what review? Feb 16 01:09:52 wirc is the best for webos Feb 16 01:09:58 sugardave best one for webos Feb 16 01:09:59 Josef_B: my phone has rebooted so many times today. I lost count after 12 and it's done a few since then Feb 16 01:10:00 http://twitpic.com/3whmja Feb 16 01:10:07 well, it is like the only webos client lol Feb 16 01:10:14 well sugardave I'm too lazy to get out my laptop Feb 16 01:10:31 PatrucjC_Pre exactly what I was gonna say lol Feb 16 01:10:37 geeksquadkid: working agter a reboot Feb 16 01:10:46 PatrickC_Pre: I'm reviewing KotoPlayer, it's going to be a big review :p Feb 16 01:10:53 s/agter/after Feb 16 01:11:04 wow Feb 16 01:11:10 if your charging your phone and using wirc Feb 16 01:11:14 the whole typing screenb isgone Feb 16 01:11:21 you're reviewing it for AAR? if so, its going to be awesome ;) Feb 16 01:11:26 s/screenb/is gone Feb 16 01:11:26 yes :p Feb 16 01:11:29 SineOt: I hate you btw I wanna try it so bad sounds awesome Feb 16 01:11:32 think of the publicity for both of us :) Feb 16 01:11:59 I think Tibfib wants an app catalog review Feb 16 01:12:06 or 10 Feb 16 01:12:14 or 65 Feb 16 01:12:27 or *insert insane number* Feb 16 01:12:28 and a half Feb 16 01:12:41 yep Feb 16 01:13:14 the half is the most important part. if he doesn't get that. then not even God can save us. Feb 16 01:14:11 ok, for a menu item. the command is setup like this, right? Feb 16 01:14:28 label: $L("Donate"), Feb 16 01:14:39 command: 'do-donate' Feb 16 01:14:45 correct? Feb 16 01:15:18 * geeksquadkid only knows how to code visual basic Feb 16 01:15:40 * PatrickC_Pre barely knows how to code english :p Feb 16 01:15:49 touche Feb 16 01:16:18 wierd Feb 16 01:16:23 vb6 or .net? Feb 16 01:16:43 what about vb6 or .net? Feb 16 01:16:45 whose gonna make an app that is a close all ? Feb 16 01:17:16 you will :) Feb 16 01:24:54 wishes javascript was as easy as HTML Feb 16 01:25:12 it is :p Feb 16 01:25:22 not for me lol Feb 16 01:25:34 I can't get this to work for the life of me! lol Feb 16 01:25:38 IM BACCCCCKCKKKKK Feb 16 01:26:25 geeksquadkid: I wish you could try it too :( Feb 16 01:26:32 TIBBY Feb 16 01:26:40 SineOt: I don't even know, what site do you write for? Feb 16 01:26:46 Anivrom! Feb 16 01:26:56 Some guy just asked me to make a blackjack draw percentage calculator for $30. lol Feb 16 01:27:02 Anivrom! You magnificent bastard! Feb 16 01:27:13 Prolly take me an hour to learn how to program again and then another 10 minutes to make the app Feb 16 01:27:27 lol Feb 16 01:27:35 easy $30 Feb 16 01:28:09 I ned to get this app working!!! Feb 16 01:28:35 now its telling me /again/ that the main and main-scene.js is not in the sources.json Feb 16 01:28:49 and they ARE!!!! Feb 16 01:29:00 READ THE REST OF THE LOG Feb 16 01:29:01 I'm going to kill JS!! lol Feb 16 01:29:03 PatrickC_Pre: rename it to aresisthebest.js and it should work Feb 16 01:29:19 that trick works for pretty much any problem in webos Feb 16 01:29:21 lol Feb 16 01:29:51 For fucks sake, it's going to bitch about a widget breaking or unexpected tokens again, 9 times out of 10 that's why a scene won't push and it'll ask if you put it in sources.json Feb 16 01:30:31 no, its telling me on line 47 there is uncaught syntax Feb 16 01:30:53 and it is the closing "}" for the 'cleanup' function Feb 16 01:31:04 pastebin your code Feb 16 01:31:24 lemme try and get my PC back on the internet :p Feb 16 01:31:28 * sugardave points and laughs at Anivrom. "Sucker." Feb 16 01:31:30 if I disconnect, srry :) Feb 16 01:31:32 lol Feb 16 01:31:39 RAWR Feb 16 01:31:40 god speed Anivrom Feb 16 01:31:43 Sugardave Feb 16 01:31:51 sup? Feb 16 01:31:57 Not much. Feb 16 01:32:05 ready for Enyo? Feb 16 01:32:13 Some guy just asked me to make a blackjack draw percentage calculator for $30. lol Feb 16 01:32:18 Anivrom, like everyone has helped with this code though :p Feb 16 01:32:43 whats enyo. I've been out of the palm webos world for a while Feb 16 01:32:44 Anivrom: tell him you'll point him to the right place for $30 Feb 16 01:32:51 I'm gonna do it up Feb 16 01:33:15 Anivrom: Enyo is the new black Feb 16 01:33:19 enyo is the replacement framework for Mojo Feb 16 01:33:24 orly? Feb 16 01:33:34 it will be closely tied to your bff, ares Feb 16 01:33:38 you've been WAY out of it Feb 16 01:33:45 * Anivrom just jizzed in his pants Feb 16 01:33:55 Ares ROCKS!! Feb 16 01:33:59 I know right? Feb 16 01:34:03 * sugardave will still be learning to wield Enyo without Ares. Feb 16 01:34:05 ;) Feb 16 01:34:06 we are best buds already Feb 16 01:34:13 heh Feb 16 01:34:16 stubborn mule Feb 16 01:34:18 Anivrom: enyo and ares code will be the same Feb 16 01:34:24 noice Feb 16 01:34:26 you'll be able to upload enyo apps and start using ares Feb 16 01:34:41 and vice versa Feb 16 01:35:26 im still trying to get the PC on the internet :p Feb 16 01:35:35 USB ports are getting bad Feb 16 01:35:38 looks like you're doing fine Feb 16 01:35:40 :P Feb 16 01:36:20 now its mad at me cause there are updated ready to install :p Feb 16 01:36:49 maybe that is why the USB ports are not working.... Feb 16 01:37:21 * PatrickC_Pre wishes there was a way to code apps in webOS Feb 16 01:38:00 PatrickC_Pre: :C Feb 16 01:38:04 "I is a student?" Feb 16 01:38:12 lies Feb 16 01:38:16 Did you proofread that at all before posting it on the writer's page Feb 16 01:38:18 yes I is Feb 16 01:38:32 proofread what? lol Feb 16 01:38:57 * SineOt slaps PatrickC_Pre around a bit Feb 16 01:39:11 owwwwwww Feb 16 01:40:04 oops :p Feb 16 01:40:20 * PatrickC_Pre goes to fix Sine's spelling error I didn't catch :) Feb 16 01:45:03 It's your error. :p Feb 16 01:45:15 cry if you want to Feb 16 01:45:19 well........ :p Feb 16 01:45:34 can't edit it til I get my PC back online Feb 16 01:47:56 SineOt: I don't see a post yet :p Feb 16 01:52:53 Tibfib: you didn't restrict Koto to 2.0 and above? Feb 16 01:53:24 you can't Feb 16 01:53:26 you can't restrict apps to 2.0 and above yet Feb 16 01:53:40 funkatron: you beat me :) Feb 16 01:53:40 gotcha ya Feb 16 01:53:45 boom 8D Feb 16 01:53:57 Anivrom: http://webos.pastebin.com/A32G46bt Feb 16 01:54:44 cant figure it out Feb 16 01:54:46 sorry I tried :P Feb 16 01:54:50 cant figure what out? Feb 16 01:54:54 idk Feb 16 01:54:56 lol Feb 16 01:55:00 * Anivrom hides Feb 16 01:55:46 * PatrickC_Home looks for Anivrom Feb 16 01:55:47 http://www.precentral.net/vibrate-massage -- I guess there's no mystery to this app's intent Feb 16 01:56:29 yep, a good message after a long days work Feb 16 01:59:22 is there something in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me Feb 16 02:00:29 wow Feb 16 02:00:31 lol Feb 16 02:00:35 PatrickC_Home: you do not seem to have a handleUpdate function Feb 16 02:00:45 so when you tap the button, what should it do? Feb 16 02:01:23 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/ Feb 16 02:01:28 You need to make a MainAssistant.prototpye.handleUpdate = function() {....}; that has the code you want to run when you tap it Feb 16 02:01:34 prototype Feb 16 02:01:37 how good are devs at getting back to there loyal consumers/app downloader people Feb 16 02:01:57 it should open the streaming player and play a online radio station (currently an ofline radio station) Feb 16 02:02:04 yes, I understand the intent Feb 16 02:02:09 Josef_B, what do you mean? Feb 16 02:02:29 i want that ubercalendar thing .. just wondering if devs respond back fast Feb 16 02:02:30 but you set up the listen on button tap to fire a function that doesn't exist Feb 16 02:02:45 rmemeber i emailed metaview PatrickC_Home Feb 16 02:03:22 oh about that, i thought you were talking about something else Josef_B Feb 16 02:03:38 and sugardave, i couldnt figure it out, how to make the button tap fire the function Feb 16 02:03:47 I just told you what the problem is Feb 16 02:03:49 :S Feb 16 02:03:55 lol Feb 16 02:03:56 but you set up the listen on button tap to fire a function that doesn't exist Feb 16 02:04:10 there is no handleUpdate function Feb 16 02:04:19 which is what you told the listener to do when the button is tapped Feb 16 02:04:28 line 29 in your pastebin Feb 16 02:04:31 ahaha Feb 16 02:04:34 the last argument Feb 16 02:04:52 i see where it is, what do i tell it to do :p Feb 16 02:05:00 I told you that as well Feb 16 02:05:02 i am no good at coding JS lol Feb 16 02:05:06 lemme look Feb 16 02:05:10 You need to make a MainAssistant.prototpye.handleUpdate = function() {....}; that has the code you want to run when you tap it Feb 16 02:05:17 PatrickC_Home: we can tell, we really can tell Feb 16 02:05:29 but spell prototype correctly Feb 16 02:06:05 and that goes where.... exactly :) Feb 16 02:06:15 does that go off by itself?? Feb 16 02:06:21 or in the setup() Feb 16 02:06:49 PatrickC_Home: I really, really think that you should maybe go read up some basic Javascript tutorials before you try to go any further on this app Feb 16 02:07:06 i have done the basic tutorials :p Feb 16 02:07:16 i have done HelloWorld and BeyondHelloWorld Feb 16 02:07:22 look at the rest of that main-assistant.js file, it is full of discreet MainAssistant.prototype.x definitions...you need a new one Feb 16 02:07:25 what else is there? Feb 16 02:07:34 use the existing ones (like setup, activate, deactivate) as a guide Feb 16 02:07:35 PatrickC_Home: take an app from git.webos-internals.org and study the JS code Feb 16 02:07:53 ok rwhitby Feb 16 02:08:33 PatrickC_Home, if you did the basic tutorials, and UNDERSTOOD them and not just copy pasted, you wouldn't be asking where to put a new function Feb 16 02:10:04 oh Feb 16 02:11:32 snap? Feb 16 02:11:47 I blame that snap entirely on oil. Feb 16 02:13:08 * oil just wonders if anyone has actually ever learned anything by looking at my js on git.webos-internals Feb 16 02:13:14 hahaha Feb 16 02:13:18 no Feb 16 02:13:22 they learned pain Feb 16 02:13:24 would hate to think what i've would have taught them if they did Feb 16 02:13:26 wait, what? Feb 16 02:13:50 what i've would have? Feb 16 02:13:53 wow that was bad Feb 16 02:14:02 I dont even remember how to access the model of a list :'( Feb 16 02:14:12 i tried to get the .js for wIRC but couldnt find anything lol Feb 16 02:14:17 bah Feb 16 02:14:33 yeah, wirc is crazy complicated Feb 16 02:14:40 lol Feb 16 02:14:47 PatrickC_Home: also, almost all of your other assistant methods are missing the closing } Feb 16 02:14:49 probably the most complicated of all of them Feb 16 02:14:50 wth? Feb 16 02:15:02 screw )'s Feb 16 02:15:09 what have they ever done for me Feb 16 02:15:36 i fixed that problem Feb 16 02:15:56 pastebin your current assistant Feb 16 02:16:00 time to package and install Feb 16 02:16:17 its always that time Feb 16 02:16:24 http://webos.pastebin.com/HFZ61KLf Feb 16 02:16:55 * oil peeks Feb 16 02:17:09 its a tarp Feb 16 02:17:19 should technically work Feb 16 02:17:21 i just tried to install the app when my emu isnt dont loading :p Feb 16 02:17:31 we'll see Feb 16 02:17:44 the emu takes forever to load Feb 16 02:18:08 * oil assumes "myMenuModelDonate" is defined elsewhere Feb 16 02:18:31 oh Feb 16 02:18:33 I hope so Feb 16 02:18:37 still loading Feb 16 02:18:51 the myMenuModelDonate is in the stage-assistant.js Feb 16 02:19:04 would you like to see that one too? Feb 16 02:19:05 hopefully outside of the functions Feb 16 02:19:18 functions in functions in functions Feb 16 02:19:27 amd Feb 16 02:19:37 and*, what calls handleUpdate? Feb 16 02:19:43 button tap Feb 16 02:19:51 http://webos.pastebin.com/rQNAJ6Qp Feb 16 02:19:54 oh, skipped over that Feb 16 02:19:57 there is the stage-assistant.js Feb 16 02:20:00 though, you're going to want to bind handleTap Feb 16 02:20:11 my emu still isnt loaded! lol Feb 16 02:20:13 or this.controller wont exist Feb 16 02:20:17 ah, yeah Feb 16 02:20:40 this.handleUpdate.bindAsEventListener(this) Feb 16 02:21:11 i should have bound the button handler? Feb 16 02:21:22 yes Feb 16 02:22:28 every time you expect to use this. and have it make sense in the handler Feb 16 02:22:36 of any async call Feb 16 02:23:16 does that go inside this Feb 16 02:23:18 (this.controller.get("playButton"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleUpdate) Feb 16 02:23:21 or outside? Feb 16 02:23:27 thanks for all the help btw :) Feb 16 02:23:35 so much better then using the forums :) Feb 16 02:23:43 this.handleUpdate becomes Feb 16 02:23:45 this.handleUpdate.bindAsEventListener(this) Feb 16 02:24:05 it's more complicated than that, but this should at least work Feb 16 02:24:13 you won't be able to uinlisten, but we can cover that later Feb 16 02:24:19 ok Feb 16 02:24:24 :/ Feb 16 02:24:27 so first, lets get it working, then we clean it up? lol Feb 16 02:25:01 Confirm/deny: webOS 2.0 supports CSS gradients? Feb 16 02:25:20 * oil hasnt tried Feb 16 02:25:26 lies Feb 16 02:25:26 would like to know though :) Feb 16 02:25:59 I heard it only supports gradients of 11 degrees Feb 16 02:26:04 1. it didnt launch the audio player Feb 16 02:26:06 it's kind of bogus Feb 16 02:26:17 2. still doesn push my donate scene... :/ Feb 16 02:26:37 11 degrees? :/ Feb 16 02:26:46 yeah, I know, right? Feb 16 02:26:52 it's like, wtf? Feb 16 02:27:08 "Why would I listen to sugardave, it's ludicrous!" Feb 16 02:27:11 yeah for sure Feb 16 02:27:17 11 degrees! Feb 16 02:27:18 :) Feb 16 02:27:23 Ok I'm really stuck. What would I type in google to get code for a simple input popup. I dont even remember what they are called Feb 16 02:27:38 dialog? Feb 16 02:27:43 roiiiiight Feb 16 02:27:46 input dialog Feb 16 02:27:58 sugardave, didnt work Feb 16 02:28:04 no launching of the streaming app Feb 16 02:28:09 do you have any error messages? Feb 16 02:28:24 sugardave: 11 degrees being...? Feb 16 02:28:36 because from playing with it, if it's a small gradient it seems to work, if not, it breaks :T Feb 16 02:28:53 SineOt: instead of horizontal (180) or vertical (90) Feb 16 02:29:06 [20110215-20:25:34.942189] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget ' ', since it has not been set up. Feb 16 02:29:10 * sugardave is completely full of shit, by the way. Feb 16 02:29:12 I have no clue Feb 16 02:29:25 :p Feb 16 02:29:31 * SineOt slaps sugardave around a bit! Feb 16 02:29:32 PatrickC_Home: any other errors Feb 16 02:29:42 they really need to fix problems with the browser Feb 16 02:29:49 lets put it through the JSLint Feb 16 02:29:53 nope Feb 16 02:29:58 there you are, Orithma! Feb 16 02:30:12 hey Orithma = mugen! Feb 16 02:30:24 * dohtem just noticed Feb 16 02:30:32 okay, add a freaking console.log() line to your button handler function, like: console.log('THE FREAKING BUTTON HAS BEEN TAPPED'); Feb 16 02:30:44 SineOt: :D Feb 16 02:30:48 and then see if you get that message when you tap the button Feb 16 02:30:52 i didnt put the ";" after all the "}" that i added :) Feb 16 02:31:06 Hi all! Feb 16 02:31:10 hey JenP Feb 16 02:31:12 hi JenP! Feb 16 02:31:13 but i will also add the consol.log Feb 16 02:31:19 hi JenP Feb 16 02:31:39 hi guys! how's the evening going? Feb 16 02:31:47 * oil wishes he was that popular Feb 16 02:31:48 PatrickC_Home: now it becomes a question of finding where things are breaking, so start adding some debug messages in your code at strategic places Feb 16 02:32:15 sugardave: you got your Pre2 handy? Feb 16 02:32:21 yep Feb 16 02:32:27 ooookay Feb 16 02:32:38 still not launching Feb 16 02:32:41 going to log now Feb 16 02:32:47 http://www.webdesignerwall.com/demo/gradient-box.html < breaks, it's just a box Feb 16 02:32:57 http://www.webdesignerwall.com/demo/css3-dropdown-menu/css-gradient-dropdown.html < works, is way more complex Feb 16 02:33:07 what in the world is going on with these gradients! Feb 16 02:33:14 I trust you, but I'm not typing that shit in Feb 16 02:33:36 psh, get neato! Feb 16 02:33:39 it would help if i typed "prototype" correctly :o Feb 16 02:34:05 * sugardave goes to see what this neato is about. Feb 16 02:34:33 IT WORKED!!!!!!! Feb 16 02:34:44 all because i didnt type "prototype" correctly!!!!! Feb 16 02:34:46 lol Feb 16 02:34:54 now, to get the menu to work.... Feb 16 02:35:00 pretty sure I gave you that tip :P Feb 16 02:35:04 oh sugardave :) Feb 16 02:35:11 got to pay better attention Feb 16 02:35:16 i know, i didnt listen as most teenagers do lol Feb 16 02:35:39 http://i.imgur.com/7z7Mq.jpg makes me lol Feb 16 02:35:56 haha Feb 16 02:37:23 hmm Feb 16 02:37:36 it is telling me that it cannot initiate the widget for the scene Feb 16 02:37:45 then check your widgets :p Feb 16 02:37:46 it always says that Feb 16 02:37:50 the blank one Feb 16 02:37:55 ignore it Feb 16 02:37:56 yea Feb 16 02:38:04 well, then I dont know whats wrong.... Feb 16 02:38:15 i hate that one always drives me nuts Feb 16 02:38:17 how to convert a text value to integer in webos again? :/ Feb 16 02:38:18 it will push one scene, but not the other Feb 16 02:38:27 I've never seen the blank one Feb 16 02:38:32 Anivrom: parseInt(string, base); Feb 16 02:38:35 base is optional Feb 16 02:38:37 it looks something like this Feb 16 02:38:42 tyyyyyyyyy Feb 16 02:38:47 [20110215-20:36:21.965293] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget ' ', since it has not been set up. Feb 16 02:38:51 but parseint will return 0 for string 08 and 09 without base 10 Feb 16 02:39:19 I'm pretty sure no one is gonna input 08 or 09 for number of decks Feb 16 02:39:44 never know Feb 16 02:39:53 well too bad :P Feb 16 02:40:49 * SineOt adds a secret message that pops up when people enter 08 that says "What the hell are you doing, seriously, just stop. What's wrong with you?" Feb 16 02:41:16 * oil <3 random eggs like that Feb 16 02:41:22 i fixed it!!! Feb 16 02:41:36 it was because i was still linking to the xternal .js file :0 Feb 16 02:41:38 so yeah, oil: CSS gradients seem to be fickle bitches Feb 16 02:41:50 just like canvas arcs Feb 16 02:42:10 i debugged and fixed it myself! Feb 16 02:42:11 yay!! Feb 16 02:42:13 lol Feb 16 02:42:18 I can find simple examples that don't work, and complex ones that work fine ?_? Feb 16 02:42:39 webOS farts on your simplistic attempts Feb 16 02:42:41 peon Feb 16 02:43:36 ugh. programming in vb.net for the past few months has got my mind in knots. Feb 16 02:43:45 * sugardave is getting ready to test Mojo DB helper objects: The Next Generation. Feb 16 02:45:32 ok, now i have my menu and my play button working :) Feb 16 02:46:29 now i need to make a list to put things in Feb 16 02:46:44 oh, and how do i open up a website when someone clicks on a button? Feb 16 02:49:05 i found it Feb 16 02:49:08 i think ;) Feb 16 02:52:26 ok, its not working, and not logging.... Feb 16 02:52:34 oh sugardave :) Feb 16 02:54:15 you can cheat...put around the button widget and the OS will open the browser in a new card for you Feb 16 02:54:15 In addition, a list item template is required. This declared in a separate file, and referenced in the "itemTemplate" attribute property. Feb 16 02:54:27 webos101.com/List Feb 16 02:54:31 ok Feb 16 02:54:40 i keep forgetting webos101.com :p Feb 16 02:55:55 NEVER FORGET 101!!!!! Feb 16 02:56:05 heh Feb 16 02:56:28 and always blame oil when you do Feb 16 02:56:36 ammmmmmmmmmmen Feb 16 02:56:39 hi Anivrom !!! Feb 16 02:56:39 i know haeffb_pre, you wrote most of it :) Feb 16 02:56:43 HEY Feb 16 02:56:58 http://twitpic.com/3whmja Feb 16 02:57:18 haeffb_pre: My friend asked me to make him a app in webos and it's killing me. I don't remember ANYTHING Feb 16 02:58:06 subcontract to sugardave. duh. Feb 16 02:58:15 barely knew anything when I was programming in webos LOL Feb 16 02:58:36 sugardave wanna make 15 bucks? Feb 16 02:58:39 lol Feb 16 02:58:44 let him do the work for $25 and pocket $f Feb 16 02:58:51 $5 Feb 16 02:59:05 doesn't sound like a good plan to me Feb 16 02:59:10 baby, you can't afford me Feb 16 02:59:13 lol Feb 16 02:59:16 or $15 and $15 Feb 16 02:59:27 I'll give you 15 sugardave Feb 16 02:59:34 it would take you maybe 20 minutes Feb 16 02:59:45 now its brok again Feb 16 02:59:53 or let PatrickC_Pre do it. and wait 10 months **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 16 02:59:57 2011