**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 18 02:59:57 2011
Feb 18 03:04:34 <Tibfib> funkatron: dang! I barely did anything :)
Feb 18 03:05:34 <rwhitby> slacker
Feb 18 03:05:44 <Tibfib> yeah..
Feb 18 03:05:55 <Tibfib> and funkatron hasn't pulled in my 3+ pull requests ;P
Feb 18 03:05:58 <rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnLBlVg5-9Y for those who want to see it
Feb 18 03:06:08 <funkatron> don't start with me, I'm sick!
Feb 18 03:06:45 <funkatron> okay that's awesome
Feb 18 03:06:48 <funkatron> I'm going back to bed tho
Feb 18 03:06:50 <funkatron> thanks guys!
Feb 18 03:15:46 <solix> whoa..  nice job :) !props
Feb 18 03:16:14 <solix> bbl
Feb 18 03:27:31 <fudge> hey guys im kinda having trouble with recieving phone calls
Feb 18 03:27:43 <oil> call your carrier
Feb 18 03:27:48 <fudge> lol no not like that
Feb 18 03:28:05 <fudge> like the phone prepares to recieve the call (data turns off, usb option dissapears, etc...)
Feb 18 03:28:19 <fudge> but the phone never launches the phone app nor does it ring
Feb 18 03:29:08 <Loudergood> reboot?
Feb 18 03:29:26 <fudge> did a restart as well as shutdown
Feb 18 03:29:51 <Loudergood> doctor?
Feb 18 03:29:52 <fudge> i pulled the battery and so on, still no avail
Feb 18 03:29:59 <fudge> yeah i was trying to avoid that
Feb 18 03:30:04 <fudge> lol
Feb 18 03:30:14 <Loudergood> yeah
Feb 18 03:30:25 <fudge> where do i navigate for my apps folder
Feb 18 03:30:41 <Loudergood> well...at&t iphone users went for years without making calls...maybe you can too ;)
Feb 18 03:31:02 <fudge> lol
Feb 18 03:31:12 <Loudergood> it's really best to redownload them if you can
Feb 18 03:31:21 <Loudergood> you have preware installed?
Feb 18 03:31:25 <fudge> yep
Feb 18 03:34:10 <Loudergood> it has the ability to save your package list
Feb 18 03:34:25 <Loudergood> that and the save/restore app cover most things
Feb 18 03:37:01 <fudge> does it cover services
Feb 18 03:37:58 <Loudergood> services?
Feb 18 03:39:06 <fudge> never mind, i'll just doctor it and start new :) all i need is my messages
Feb 18 03:39:21 <Tibfib> fudge: texts don't get restored
Feb 18 03:39:32 <fudge> yeah, im backingup PalmDatabase.db3
Feb 18 03:50:56 <dpivs> hello friends!
Feb 18 03:53:01 <dpivs> good night friends!
Feb 18 04:25:37 <solix> is there, or will there be a webos2.x doctor for Pre+(non Pre2)? in the works posibly? :)
Feb 18 04:26:14 <rwhitby> not as a result of anything that has happened today
Feb 18 04:27:38 <solix> i see. :)  wishfull thinking and high esteem for internals. :)
Feb 18 04:40:03 <destinal-pre> solix: there is one being pursued but at the moment it's much like me banging my head against a wall :)
Feb 18 04:41:05 <solix> thanks destinal, i was reading todays logs a bit... seems like it :)
Feb 18 05:09:54 <dohtem> How long does it usually take devmarketing@palm.com to respond to the pre2 request?
Feb 18 05:22:00 <rwhitby> forever plus a day
Feb 18 05:24:17 <dohtem> :(
Feb 18 05:38:42 <summatusmentis> so, for clarification, did anyone ever sucessfully take a pre2 and put a regular pre comms board in it?
Feb 18 05:39:26 <rwhitby> physically and electrically they are compatible
Feb 18 05:39:45 <summatusmentis> there's just no OS as of yet
Feb 18 05:40:30 <summatusmentis> ok, that's reasonable, I was just thinking about what happens if the pre3 doesn't come to sprint
Feb 18 06:08:13 <destinal-work>  summatusmentis: no os?  you mean the firmware on those comm boards doesn't match webos 2.0.   but in the verizon 2.0.1 pre2 doctor...
Feb 18 06:14:47 <shinkamui> was there ever a non official release of webos 2.0 for pre pre2 devices?
Feb 18 06:21:56 <rwhitby> The only official releases on webOS 2.0 are for the Pre 2.
Feb 18 06:23:52 <RagingMind> shinkamui, there are many non official things that exists on the internet, but they are in dark corners and you are likely to be eaten by a grue
Feb 18 06:27:18 <shinkamui> ragingmind: how about a more concrete answer.  Im looking to find out if there are any 2.0 roms or whatever they're called in the palm world for a pre or pre+
Feb 18 06:28:11 <shinkamui> frankly, I ordered a pre 2 today which should arrive tomorrow morning.  Im simply trying to see what the community is like, and the availability of such work
Feb 18 06:28:33 <RagingMind> this is a channel monitored by HPalm... being eaten by a grue is the most concrete answer available here
Feb 18 06:28:54 <destinal-work> shinkamui: there are leaked beta versions that shouldn't be out but are...
Feb 18 06:29:00 <rwhitby> shinkamui: the community is great, when people don't illegally redistribute material under NDA.
Feb 18 06:29:23 <shinkamui> lol
Feb 18 06:29:30 <shinkamui> rwhitby, I think I've seen your posts on precentral
Feb 18 06:29:35 <rwhitby> shinkamui: it's is not a warez ROMz community
Feb 18 06:29:49 <shinkamui> if Im offending people in my first 10 minutes I apologize
Feb 18 06:29:50 <destinal-work> shinkamui: the real answer is to make a modified pre2 2.0 image that works on pre
Feb 18 06:30:05 <rwhitby> shinkamui: no offence taken
Feb 18 06:30:26 <destinal-work> shinkamui: which we're investigating but don't have a solution for yet
Feb 18 06:30:27 <RagingMind> in lieu of a grue... I suggest searching for info on frankendoctor
Feb 18 06:30:28 <shinkamui> rwhitby, I came from the maemo, and android community
Feb 18 06:30:34 <rwhitby> shinkamui: it is a real problem that there may never be a good webOS 2.0 build for "legacy" (Pre/Pre+) devices
Feb 18 06:30:38 <shinkamui> so this "Warez rom" talk is news to me
Feb 18 06:30:57 <shinkamui> rwhitby, all I've read over and over is that promises were revoked because of hardware limitations
Feb 18 06:31:05 <rwhitby> shinkamui: all of maemo and some of android community are the same as this one
Feb 18 06:31:06 <shinkamui> and new vague promises were made
Feb 18 06:31:17 <shinkamui> but I was wondering if crafty community members had managed to make it work
Feb 18 06:31:18 <rwhitby> some other of android are all about warez romz
Feb 18 06:31:30 <rwhitby> shinkamui: there are some missing pieces at the moment
Feb 18 06:31:42 <shinkamui> Im not interested in the illegal nature of said roms, just that there are people who did it themselves.  Leaked betas are not of interest to me
Feb 18 06:32:08 <rwhitby> if you know about sgx drivers, you can assist the legal effort that we have underway to do that
Feb 18 06:32:13 <RagingMind> shinkamui, definitely search frankendoctor  :)
Feb 18 06:33:29 <shinkamui> Im not too familiar with the powervr at the driver level
Feb 18 06:33:30 <shinkamui> sadly
Feb 18 06:33:56 <shinkamui> and Im working on learning more about the tegra 250 chipset at the moment.
Feb 18 06:34:00 <rwhitby> shinkamui: since you ordered a Pre 2 - this 2.0 on legacy devices is of no real concern
Feb 18 06:34:05 <shinkamui> but the pre has always been interesting, so I bought one
Feb 18 06:34:19 <rwhitby> shinkamui: there is no issue with Pre 2 support.
Feb 18 06:34:20 <shinkamui> rwhitby, exactly, its not.  but the community is
Feb 18 06:34:56 <shinkamui> I've seen a lot of "news" of things being done on the pre, but nothing materializing
Feb 18 06:34:56 <rwhitby> shinkamui: have you seen my presentation from the NYC dev day?
Feb 18 06:35:29 <shinkamui> no, I haven't done much more than peruse the precentral forum, register and download the sdk, and order my phone
Feb 18 06:35:34 <rwhitby> shinkamui: see /msg
Feb 18 06:35:34 <shinkamui> got a link?
Feb 18 06:35:38 <rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBXpZBMQmw
Feb 18 06:35:53 <rwhitby> shinkamui: git.webos-internals.org will probably interest you too
Feb 18 06:36:11 <rwhitby> shinkamui: BTW, apologies for the harsh start. you are obviously not the same as the usual person we get asking those questions first.
Feb 18 06:37:04 <shinkamui> no worries
Feb 18 06:38:08 <cCoder> rwhitby: did you write the description for that youtube video yourself?
Feb 18 06:38:43 <rwhitby> cCoder: no, the Palm marketing folks wrote that.
Feb 18 06:38:48 <cCoder> heh ok
Feb 18 06:39:29 <rwhitby> well, they wrote the first sentence. the rest is from an abstract I sent.
Feb 18 06:39:46 <shinkamui> nice accent :-D
Feb 18 06:41:05 <rwhitby> funnily enough, I don't notice it ;)
Feb 18 06:59:23 * gour is watching presentation
Feb 18 07:25:27 <swisstomcat> morning
Feb 18 07:25:39 <dkirker> 'morning swisstomcat
Feb 18 07:25:53 <swisstomcat> what's up?
Feb 18 07:26:17 <dkirker> not much, just working on some cool ideas for Universe :D
Feb 18 07:26:33 <hotdp> mornings swisstomcat
Feb 18 07:26:50 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Feb 18 08:33:58 <joetweeply> man... it's over a week now since i wait for my final early access
Feb 18 08:34:17 <swisstomcat> hmm
Feb 18 08:34:26 <swisstomcat> they're probably overrun with requests
Feb 18 08:34:41 <joetweeply> yeah
Feb 18 08:35:04 <joetweeply> just my holidays are over now, and on monday i gotta work again and have less time to discover enyo
Feb 18 10:06:00 <bionicRobot> My palm pre arrived lastnight. and the slide keyboard is really really loose. anyway to open it up and tighten it down?
Feb 18 10:08:15 <swisstomcat> send it back?
Feb 18 10:08:20 <swisstomcat> if it's new
Feb 18 10:08:59 <bionicRobot> no, it's my old one
Feb 18 10:09:30 <bionicRobot> I thought I lost it, a few years ago and my sister found it a few weeks ago
Feb 18 10:10:13 <bionicRobot> BTW. it's Sprint Pre and I'm in France so I'm only using it to develop my application
Feb 18 10:20:44 <swisstomcat> i know that you can open it
Feb 18 10:20:56 <swisstomcat> but if you'll be able to tighten those screws is another question
Feb 18 10:21:54 <bionicRobot> is there a mechanical reason why this keyboard is so loose? I don't remember it being this why when I bought it
Feb 18 11:58:41 <Thibaud> Hi all!
Feb 18 11:58:56 <swisstomcat> hi thibaud
Feb 18 11:59:30 <Thibaud> I applied for 2.x EAP (pdc@palm.com), anyone knows how long it takes to get an answer?
Feb 18 11:59:52 <swisstomcat> someone said like 3 days because they're overflown with requests
Feb 18 12:00:24 <Thibaud> swisstomcat: thx, need to wait patiently then :)
Feb 18 12:03:11 <hotdp> i know one who have watied 1 week now
Feb 18 12:03:15 <hotdp> and still dont have access
Feb 18 12:03:21 <hotdp> why have you applied to 2?
Feb 18 12:03:27 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, don't hold your breath
Feb 18 12:03:42 <rwhitby-pre> should have applied *before* the enyo release
Feb 18 12:04:08 <rwhitby-pre> if you applied after that, you're in for a long queue
Feb 18 12:09:44 <gour> i asked 3 days ago about not having 'croatia' on the lit of countries...and still no reply
Feb 18 12:17:17 <joetweeply> 3 days? i wait for over a week now
Feb 18 12:17:28 <hotdp> if it takes 14 days for an app to get approved in app store
Feb 18 12:17:37 <hotdp> then everything less at palm is good
Feb 18 12:17:42 <hotdp> so chill
Feb 18 12:19:49 <rwhitby-pre> heh, you new guys need to adjust your expectations a bit
Feb 18 12:22:38 <swisstomcat> http://t.co/nlL5I39
Feb 18 12:22:46 <swisstomcat> mobile word congress wrap-up
Feb 18 12:25:11 <rwhitby-pre> swisstomcat: I love how Gray invites developers to check out the new 2.0 features, but doesn't release the public 2.0 SDK ..
Feb 18 12:25:24 <swisstomcat> good point
Feb 18 12:25:40 <swisstomcat> they better release it soon
Feb 18 12:25:58 <rwhitby-pre> I hope someone in the audience heckled at that point.
Feb 18 12:26:01 <joetweeply> who do you call a new guy here?
Feb 18 12:26:16 <swisstomcat> there were no reactions
Feb 18 12:26:26 <rwhitby-pre> joetweeply: anyone who hasn't been here for at least a year
Feb 18 12:26:44 <swisstomcat> but i spoke to him afterwards about the non-public sdk
Feb 18 12:26:45 <joetweeply> just because i didn't talk too much doesn't mean i wasn't here 1 year ago
Feb 18 12:26:47 <rwhitby-pre> (just kidding)
Feb 18 12:27:18 <rwhitby-pre> you'd know how quickly things move then when there is an early access approval backlog
Feb 18 12:27:26 <joetweeply> i started being here when they still had a fee for signing up in the developer program :D
Feb 18 12:27:52 <rwhitby-pre> so why didn't you apply back then?
Feb 18 12:28:04 <rwhitby-pre> why wait for the enyo rush?
Feb 18 12:28:06 <swisstomcat> when i started we couldn't even submit apps to the store
Feb 18 12:28:38 <rwhitby-pre> when I started, ... (get off my lawn)
Feb 18 12:28:42 <joetweeply> don't ask... never thought it was needed back then
Feb 18 12:28:45 <swisstomcat> hehe
Feb 18 12:29:01 <rwhitby-pre> bet you regret that now
Feb 18 12:29:01 <joetweeply> back then i was happy with my mojo apps
Feb 18 12:29:16 <swisstomcat> thoughts on the article?
Feb 18 12:29:17 <joetweeply> just the last week made me realize the importancy of having early access
Feb 18 12:29:27 <joetweeply> yeah i regret that now
Feb 18 12:31:07 <rwhitby-pre> I bet they had no applications for months, and now thousands in a couple of days
Feb 18 12:31:21 <swisstomcat> probably
Feb 18 12:31:31 <swisstomcat> there was a lot of interest at MWC
Feb 18 12:31:38 <hotdp> yer
Feb 18 12:31:47 <hotdp> i have also seen new people in here aswell
Feb 18 12:32:17 <joetweeply> we'll see how many will stay
Feb 18 12:32:17 <swisstomcat> now we just need to keep them interested until the new products arrive
Feb 18 12:32:22 <swisstomcat> so they can sell those apps
Feb 18 12:32:37 <hotdp> but i the whole 2.0 is a joke and i don't understand why "palm" dont make a official statement
Feb 18 12:32:58 <rwhitby-pre> it seems no-one knows what to say
Feb 18 12:33:06 <swisstomcat> poor communication
Feb 18 12:33:08 <joetweeply> will we be able to submit our enyo apps before the summer release?
Feb 18 12:33:10 <hotdp> yes, but why?
Feb 18 12:33:17 <swisstomcat> management?
Feb 18 12:33:24 <swisstomcat> mis-management
Feb 18 12:33:28 <swisstomcat> hp integration
Feb 18 12:33:31 <hotdp> maybe
Feb 18 12:33:32 <swisstomcat> who knows
Feb 18 12:33:39 <joetweeply> i know this management.. before saying something bad they rather say nothing
Feb 18 12:33:52 <swisstomcat> which is bad too
Feb 18 12:34:04 <joetweeply> yeah it is.. but it's always the same
Feb 18 12:34:07 <hotdp> i think its worse
Feb 18 12:34:22 <joetweeply> because the people in charge of marketing and saying something are no developers and don't know any better
Feb 18 12:34:36 <rwhitby-pre> well, the bad news was intentionally 'leaked' on the same day as the media overload with 3 new devices
Feb 18 12:34:59 <rwhitby-pre> which is good PR handling :)
Feb 18 12:35:06 <joetweeply> yeah.. a leak is no official statement... so they see what happens and then react
Feb 18 12:36:27 <rwhitby-pre> anyway, the developers and users before the next release hopefully will be so insignificant that they won't matter if the release is successful
Feb 18 12:36:52 <rwhitby-pre> so it may be a good decision to ignore them
Feb 18 12:37:02 <hotdp> :/
Feb 18 12:37:07 <rwhitby-pre> to focus on the 1000x more that come later
Feb 18 12:37:29 <swisstomcat> yeah, i agree
Feb 18 12:37:38 <swisstomcat> it's a business decision
Feb 18 12:37:45 <joetweeply> maybe
Feb 18 12:37:48 <rwhitby-pre> at the executive level, that is how decisions are made
Feb 18 12:38:04 <joetweeply> at least they seem to try to make the communication to the developers better after this thing
Feb 18 12:38:12 <hotdp> lol
Feb 18 12:38:21 <hotdp> where do you get that from ?
Feb 18 12:38:27 <swisstomcat> and they hired a worldwide developer relations guy
Feb 18 12:38:32 <joetweeply> just gut feeling and the blog
Feb 18 12:38:44 <rwhitby-pre> one bad engadget story compared to 88,000 retail outlets in 174 countries - you do the math ...
Feb 18 12:39:13 <swisstomcat> first they need to decide to sell the hardware in those retail outlets
Feb 18 12:39:57 <rwhitby-pre> even if every single PreCentral and Engadget reader and all their friends left, it hopefully will still not be a blip on the global marketing plans
Feb 18 12:40:22 <rwhitby-pre> if it is, then the products have already failed
Feb 18 12:41:01 <rwhitby-pre> it's HP scale or nothing - there is no middle path
Feb 18 12:44:40 <hotdp> swisstomcat that tweet is spot on
Feb 18 12:45:55 <swisstomcat> kinda contradicts what he was saying earlier
Feb 18 13:06:36 <hotdp> rwhitby-pre: then it makes sense why skype is not all over the place?
Feb 18 13:06:57 <rwhitby-pre> yep
Feb 18 13:08:04 <bionicRobot> guys, I'm working on a Kama-sutra app. and well I'm curious should I do it in Enyo or Mojo ?
Feb 18 13:08:18 <Workenhaven> you should probably do it in bed
Feb 18 13:08:42 <hotdp> LOL!!!!
Feb 18 13:08:43 <hotdp> hahaha
Feb 18 13:08:48 <hotdp> hahahahahaha
Feb 18 13:08:56 <bionicRobot> can't anymore. I broke the girl in half
Feb 18 13:09:10 <Workenhaven> that's generally what happens with kamasutra positions
Feb 18 13:10:05 <bionicRobot> I came up with a real original name too, Palmasutra
Feb 18 13:10:09 <bionicRobot> get it!
Feb 18 13:10:27 <Workenhaven> lol
Feb 18 13:10:35 <Workenhaven> +1 if you implement the accelerometer
Feb 18 13:11:02 <hotdp> haha
Feb 18 13:11:15 <bionicRobot> j/k I'm just reading some notes from the iOS dev agreement
Feb 18 13:11:37 <bionicRobot> no more kamasutra, fart, flashlight, noisemaker apps there
Feb 18 13:12:09 <bionicRobot> so prepared to be flooded by a mountain of shit apps
Feb 18 13:12:22 <hotdp> so you will start doing palm because iOS dont want CRAP apps?
Feb 18 13:12:38 <bionicRobot> yeah, gotta get my lazy ass paid somehow
Feb 18 13:12:49 <hotdp> Thank you so much
Feb 18 13:12:50 <Workenhaven> get a job programming for the gubment
Feb 18 13:12:53 <hotdp> We do need crap apps
Feb 18 13:12:55 <Workenhaven> it's what i did
Feb 18 13:13:36 <bionicRobot> I had a job offer at a defense contractor. quit on the first day and went around the world
Feb 18 13:13:59 <bionicRobot> places I've been, its going to be years before I can get that security clearance back
Feb 18 13:17:03 <swisstomcat> there are already kamasutra apps in the catalog .. weird ones even
Feb 18 13:17:25 <hotdp> swisstomcat: dont you want more crap apps`
Feb 18 13:17:27 <hotdp> ?
Feb 18 13:20:37 <bionicRobot> Workhaven gave me the brilliant idea to add the accelerometer. Do they do that?
Feb 18 13:21:15 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Feb 18 13:22:41 <bionicRobot> It's going to be flashlight, farting, kamasutra app called lightmyassasutra
Feb 18 13:23:40 <swisstomcat> erk :/
Feb 18 13:23:44 <rwhitby-pre> awesome
Feb 18 13:24:00 <rwhitby-pre> $0.99 in the app catalog?
Feb 18 13:24:12 <swisstomcat> it will fly off the shelves
Feb 18 13:24:29 <bionicRobot> what?! all that goodness packed into one app? add another 9
Feb 18 13:24:37 <hotdp> yer i think you can stay lazy with that app
Feb 18 13:25:04 <Workenhaven> lol
Feb 18 13:57:13 <KittyHello2> Is there a known issue with: glCopyTexSubImage2D
Feb 18 13:59:19 <rizer> hey guys – can anyone help me with limiting the vertical size of a multiline TextField widget?
Feb 18 14:31:51 <darklajid> Is the webOSBook (from the topic) still reasonable up to date for current webos releases? Will it become completely outdated for all we know about 2.0+?
Feb 18 14:33:45 <swisstomcat> it's really old
Feb 18 14:33:52 <swisstomcat> there are better ones
Feb 18 14:34:36 <darklajid> And are there any experiences (that you can share) of the 2.0 sdk application? Is it for well-known devs only? The website doesn't answer that for me. Average time to answer on that mail to pdc?
Feb 18 14:34:41 <darklajid> swisstomcat: Thanks
Feb 18 14:34:48 <swisstomcat> this one is good: http://apress.com/book/view/1430226749
Feb 18 14:34:49 <swisstomcat> i have it
Feb 18 14:35:00 <swisstomcat> many practical project examples
Feb 18 14:35:19 <darklajid> swisstomcat: Will take a look, thanks a lot
Feb 18 14:42:07 <scoinva> swisstomcat: just purchased on Amazon used for $5. :)
Feb 18 14:42:12 <swisstomcat> cool
Feb 18 14:42:17 <swisstomcat> it's a good book
Feb 18 15:03:21 <KittyHello2> are there any issues with alpha blending (PDK)?
Feb 18 15:03:23 <KittyHello2> opengl
Feb 18 15:11:17 <bionicRobot> is there a way to disable the phone part of the Pre?
Feb 18 15:11:29 <KittyHello2> flight mode
Feb 18 15:12:01 <bionicRobot> How do I hide/remove the icon?
Feb 18 15:12:20 <bionicRobot> my son likes to play with it and he sometimes takes it out of flightmode
Feb 18 15:23:01 <KittyHello2> hit him
Feb 18 15:23:05 <KittyHello2> that will teach hm
Feb 18 15:23:19 <KittyHello2> honestly, I have no idea
Feb 18 15:27:37 <venefyxatu> bionicRobot: the device menu megamix patch claims to remove the airplane mode toggle from the device menu (haven't tested, but it probably does everything it claims :-) )
Feb 18 15:27:50 <venefyxatu> it does other stuff as well though - but maybe there's a patch which will remove just airplane mode?
Feb 18 15:28:30 <bionicRobot> cool. where is this patch? webos-internals?
Feb 18 15:31:24 <hotdp> no need for that with the app your building
Feb 18 15:33:44 <Malstorme> Greets:  I can't find what I'm looking for on PreCentral, but I'm wondering if there's a patch that will allow u to set up groups/lists to be able to quickly send a text to a (repeating) group of contacts. anyone know of one?
Feb 18 15:35:17 <Malstorme> also would love a patch that u could prepopulate with canned text responses (I think it was "quick response" in Palm OS)?
Feb 18 15:35:46 <swisstomcat> i think there's an app for that
Feb 18 15:36:02 <swisstomcat> group message or something like that
Feb 18 15:36:30 <swisstomcat> https://sites.google.com/site/hattczech/
Feb 18 15:36:34 <swisstomcat> TXT Group
Feb 18 15:37:01 <Malstorme> I've searched PreCentral (overwhelming # of threads on keyword search), and can't find one in the Preware feeds
Feb 18 15:37:24 <Malstorme> awesome, will look for it, thxmuxh
Feb 18 15:37:26 <swisstomcat> it should be in the app catalog
Feb 18 15:37:31 <Malstorme> *much
Feb 18 15:40:41 <KittyHello2> must I call glFlush or something?
Feb 18 15:40:56 <KittyHello2> my graphics are terrily flickering and I have no idea why
Feb 18 15:42:43 <Malstorme> SWISSTOMCAT that was EXACTLY what I was looking for. thx again
Feb 18 15:47:36 <Malstorme> Are you overclocking KH2? I had issues when I tried using Govnah And wasn't smart enuf to figure out the settings.
Feb 18 15:53:16 <joebpre> what's up
Feb 18 15:53:32 <bemjb> yo
Feb 18 16:13:37 <joebpre> omg my pre is hot
Feb 18 16:13:45 <joebpre> even the keys
Feb 18 16:14:13 <joebpre> I'm at 35°c
Feb 18 16:14:17 <joebpre> good or bad ?
Feb 18 16:14:29 <swisstomcat> doesn't seem too hot
Feb 18 16:14:33 <swisstomcat> 60 would be hot
Feb 18 16:15:14 <swisstomcat> bbl
Feb 18 16:21:59 <solix> 45o mine Really warm.. ocd to 1ghz, 50o I turn it down, & let it sit.. I think the govnah has a temp limit or such you can set too..
Feb 18 16:23:01 <solix> 35o is what mine runs at 'normal' use, no tether, or hotspot, etc..
Feb 18 16:24:10 <solix> ref: talkin F tho. :)
Feb 18 16:25:39 <solix> oh duh.. no Celcius. I meant. :/
Feb 18 17:05:17 <darklajid> solix: 35 degrees F? I.e. near the freezing temperature of water? Are you sure?
Feb 18 17:47:41 <darklajid> Yay. Trivial sample up and running. Now for something more interesting.
Feb 18 18:03:57 <martinhacks> hi guys
Feb 18 18:04:39 <martinhacks> I'm having a really really hard time trying to update the model of my app
Feb 18 18:04:58 <martinhacks> could someone help me find out what I'm doing wrong?
Feb 18 18:08:34 <haeffb_pre> what model?
Feb 18 18:09:31 <martinhacks> this is my code: http://pastebin.com/CdNGAdQL
Feb 18 18:09:55 <martinhacks> in my case my model is called this.listModel
Feb 18 18:10:40 <martinhacks> I fetch a complete website and then "parse" the website for its contents (code is a bit ugly, I just didn't find a better way to do it)
Feb 18 18:11:11 <martinhacks> once I get to where I want to I copy the data into an associative array called food_data
Feb 18 18:11:47 <martinhacks> once I'm done I try to "insert" this data into my model (which is being used for a list which is supposed to display the results)
Feb 18 18:12:17 <martinhacks> but somehow I won't update the model and the funny thing is, it won't show where the error is (no exception is thrown)
Feb 18 18:13:07 <martinhacks> this is the complete main-assistant.js code: http://pastebin.com/25MFdHd3
Feb 18 18:15:06 <martinhacks> I'm still new with webos (this is my third day working on this app) and I'd be really greatful if you could point me where I've made a mistake
Feb 18 18:21:57 <haeffb_pre> the model items array must be an array.
Feb 18 18:22:57 <martinhacks> you mean this.listModel?
Feb 18 18:26:48 <haeffb_pre> this.listModel.items
Feb 18 18:27:19 <haeffb_pre> should be an array of the items you want in the list.
Feb 18 18:27:31 <haeffb_pre> I.e. your newdata
Feb 18 18:28:28 <haeffb_pre> but you do have that, so...
Feb 18 18:28:56 <martinhacks> I use var newData = new Array(); to fill the info
Feb 18 18:33:29 <haeffb_pre> ya, that should be ok. hard to read code on my phone... :)
Feb 18 18:33:38 <martinhacks> lol :)
Feb 18 18:33:40 <martinhacks> thanks for reading
Feb 18 18:33:42 <haeffb_pre> is all that in the onSuccess ?
Feb 18 18:33:56 <martinhacks> yes
Feb 18 18:34:05 <martinhacks> everything happens in the onSuccess method
Feb 18 18:34:15 <martinhacks> is it because of that?
Feb 18 18:34:25 <Garfonso> hi
Feb 18 18:34:29 <martinhacks> hi
Feb 18 18:35:56 <haeffb_pre> did you .bind(this) ?
Feb 18 18:36:12 <martinhacks> no
Feb 18 18:36:19 <martinhacks> what should I bind? the model?
Feb 18 18:36:23 <haeffb_pre> otherwise "this" in onSuccess is not your assistant
Feb 18 18:36:45 <haeffb_pre> the onSuccess function?
Feb 18 18:37:17 <haeffb_pre> or the ajaxrequest?
Feb 18 18:37:24 <haeffb_pre> one or the other
Feb 18 18:37:25 <martinhacks> I didn't bind the onSuccess method
Feb 18 18:38:56 <haeffb_pre> so this.listModel is not what you think it is
Feb 18 18:39:26 <martinhacks> I see, if I don't bind it, then this.listModel is a "new" listModel
Feb 18 18:40:53 <martinhacks> I am still new to this binding thing
Feb 18 18:42:26 <martinhacks> this is what I've changed: http://pastebin.com/D2D1Q2Kg
Feb 18 18:42:42 <martinhacks> I bound the Ajax.Request() method
Feb 18 18:42:53 <martinhacks> but it still won't update the model
Feb 18 18:47:56 <CTLAdvance> Anyone see this... Gingerbread now has tap to share...
Feb 18 18:47:57 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/18/latest-android-gingerbread-release-brings-nfc-and-bluetooth-toge/
Feb 18 18:49:46 <martinhacks> holy crap
Feb 18 18:52:21 <haeffb_pre> martinhacks: log the listModel inside onSuccess to see if it's good
Feb 18 18:53:16 <martinhacks> ok
Feb 18 18:53:17 <martinhacks> will do
Feb 18 19:00:01 <haeffb_pre> are you not getting the "works2"log?
Feb 18 19:01:11 <martinhacks> I am
Feb 18 19:01:16 <martinhacks> but its funny
Feb 18 19:01:21 <martinhacks> I will paste the logs
Feb 18 19:02:15 <martinhacks> I get this: http://pastebin.com/y0iFqz4E
Feb 18 19:03:48 <sugardave> sounds like you still have the wrong this
Feb 18 19:04:03 <sugardave> what does your current code look like, I have the old unbound one
Feb 18 19:04:14 <martinhacks> ok
Feb 18 19:04:16 <martinhacks> I'll paste it
Feb 18 19:04:27 <sugardave> you probably just need to bind the onSuccess
Feb 18 19:04:43 <martinhacks> http://pastebin.com/nJAPZSMP
Feb 18 19:04:47 <martinhacks> I really appreciate this guys
Feb 18 19:06:23 <sugardave> it is hard for me to see where your indentations are...but basically you need this:  onSuccess: function(transport) {...all your code...}.bind(this)
Feb 18 19:07:38 <DoubleDubWSS> I always wondered how you would bind a dynamic function.  Cool.
Feb 18 19:08:31 <sugardave> just like that :)
Feb 18 19:10:16 <haeffb_pre> except not quite so sugary and davey
Feb 18 19:10:57 <martinhacks_> sorry guys
Feb 18 19:11:05 <martinhacks_> my keyboard blocked happens sometimes in ubuntu
Feb 18 19:12:00 <sugardave> martinhacks_: did you see what I wrote last?
Feb 18 19:12:18 <martinhacks_> I'm afraid now
Feb 18 19:12:25 <sugardave> it is hard for me to see where your indentations are...but basically you need this:  onSuccess: function(transport) {...all your code...}.bind(this)
Feb 18 19:14:15 <martinhacks_> done
Feb 18 19:14:22 <martinhacks_> now he tells me this:
Feb 18 19:14:30 <martinhacks_> error: Error: Object #<an anonymous> has no method 'bind', line undefined, file undefined
Feb 18 19:14:39 <sugardave> hmmm
Feb 18 19:14:46 <sugardave> something is wrong
Feb 18 19:15:21 <sugardave> hang on, eating
Feb 18 19:15:27 <martinhacks_> np man
Feb 18 19:17:15 <maik> lol, just got a payment from Palm EU for 10.94€
Feb 18 19:17:39 <maik> emergency lights ftw
Feb 18 19:20:13 <haeffb_pre> got a payment of $1.79
Feb 18 19:20:56 <maik> big money
Feb 18 19:21:10 <CTLAdvance> haeffb_pre - payment for what?
Feb 18 19:21:35 <haeffb_pre> ell if I no
Feb 18 19:22:07 <haeffb_pre> that was in addition to another from Palm & one from Palm EU
Feb 18 19:22:41 <sugardave> martinhacks_: okay, pulled your assistant into my eclipse....where are you wanting to update the list, inside the onSuccess?
Feb 18 19:22:52 <sugardave> because right now it is outside the Ajax request
Feb 18 19:22:52 <martinhacks_> yes
Feb 18 19:23:00 <martinhacks_> but it doesn't have to be inside of it sugardave
Feb 18 19:23:07 <martinhacks_> that is why I pulled it outside to test it
Feb 18 19:23:37 <sugardave> but it does need to be in onSuccess if that's where the updated data is :s
Feb 18 19:23:39 <martinhacks_> the idea is as follows: I want to parse a website, fetch its info and update my list model
Feb 18 19:23:47 <martinhacks_> oh ok
Feb 18 19:23:53 <sugardave> right, hang on
Feb 18 19:24:38 <joebpre> what up
Feb 18 19:25:21 <haeffb_pre> martinhacks_: it has to be inside because ajaxrequest is async
Feb 18 19:25:50 <martinhacks_> oh I see
Feb 18 19:25:54 <martinhacks_> yeah that makes sense
Feb 18 19:26:23 <haeffb_pre> or you can call another function from onSuccess
Feb 18 19:27:05 <haeffb_pre> with all the proper binding etc
Feb 18 19:27:26 <joetweeply> so sean lindo is one new face in the developer team
Feb 18 19:28:02 <joebpre> anyone purchase the extended battery for there pre ? if so how good is the battery life
Feb 18 19:28:35 <sugardave> okay...so you are putting new data into newData array from food_data...but then you are setting your list model to food_data...what is the point of newData?
Feb 18 19:28:42 <sugardave> martinhacks_: ^^^
Feb 18 19:30:06 <joetweeply> chuqui: any hope i could still get my early access today?
Feb 18 19:30:14 <martinhacks_> hmm well in my defense, I had it on newData before :)
Feb 18 19:30:41 <sugardave> yeah, that's probably what you want, I'm going to re-paste a changed assistant for you
Feb 18 19:30:45 <sugardave> standy by
Feb 18 19:30:59 <hellman> isn't the extended battery too big for existing case? just get multiple batteries. I have at least 4
Feb 18 19:31:00 <haeffb_pre> oh no!
Feb 18 19:31:18 <martinhacks_> thanks sugardave
Feb 18 19:31:44 <joebpre> hellman: why is it so complicated lol ... btw how much are batteries
Feb 18 19:32:37 <hellman> they are cheap
Feb 18 19:32:52 <hellman> probably get them for less than 5 bucks now
Feb 18 19:33:04 <sugardave> martinhacks_: no guarantees, but try this out: http://webos.pastebin.com.pastebin.com/dwK4MtzD
Feb 18 19:33:06 <hellman> the extended battery adds bulk and a different case afaik
Feb 18 19:33:14 <sugardave> whoa, bad url?
Feb 18 19:33:24 <hellman> i got a bunch of them from all the replacementsz
Feb 18 19:33:30 <sugardave> http://webos.pastebin.com/dwK4MtzD
Feb 18 19:34:55 <martinhacks_> trying it out
Feb 18 19:34:59 <martinhacks_> thanks sugardave
Feb 18 19:35:05 <sugardave> np
Feb 18 19:35:21 <CTLAdvance> I have 4 batteries now as well
Feb 18 19:35:34 <CTLAdvance> Extra power is a must have on webOS
Feb 18 19:35:50 <CTLAdvance> unless you do one task at a time
Feb 18 19:36:19 <chuqui> joetweeply: can't guarantee anything. I'm doing stuff FIFO to be fair.
Feb 18 19:36:37 <martinhacks_> ok no exceptions
Feb 18 19:36:42 <sugardave> that's good
Feb 18 19:36:44 <sugardave> :)
Feb 18 19:36:46 <chuqui> I've cleard out over a third of the requests, if that gives you a sense of how big the backlog is.
Feb 18 19:36:49 <martinhacks_> it won't update the model just yet, but at least the exceptions are gone
Feb 18 19:36:52 <joetweeply> that's fine... thanks for the info chuqui
Feb 18 19:37:01 <sugardave> martinhacks_: hmmm
Feb 18 19:37:06 <martinhacks_> it seems there is another problem now
Feb 18 19:37:48 <sugardave> martinhacks_: so you have a log of listModel.items, move it to after changing it and see if it has data in it
Feb 18 19:38:31 <martinhacks_> will do
Feb 18 19:40:10 <sugardave> martinhacks_: pastebin me your main scene html, too
Feb 18 19:40:45 <sugardave> and your item template
Feb 18 19:40:54 <martinhacks_> I'm on it
Feb 18 19:42:45 <martinhacks_> main scene: http://pastebin.com/CnLed6Ph  itemTemplate: http://pastebin.com/tk5GNbVx
Feb 18 19:43:36 <sugardave> okay, will see i I can make it work here :D
Feb 18 19:43:51 <martinhacks_> thanks a lot
Feb 18 19:46:00 <martinhacks_> this really means a lot sugardave since I am kind of desperate :( tried all day long yesterday and today
Feb 18 19:55:27 <sugardave> this is strange
Feb 18 19:55:33 <martinhacks_> btw sugardave sorry for the messy code
Feb 18 19:55:44 <martinhacks_> I usually code with more structure
Feb 18 19:55:53 <sugardave> it's like your onSuccess function just stops after parsing the XML, it never even makes it to your for prop in obj
Feb 18 19:56:29 <martinhacks_> I've realized that too, its weird
Feb 18 20:03:35 <sugardave> okay, I got it to return one time, but it killed the app...I wonder if the XML is bad
Feb 18 20:04:13 <martinhacks_> really?
Feb 18 20:04:17 <martinhacks_> killed the app? lol
Feb 18 20:04:22 <martinhacks_> that is crazy :)
Feb 18 20:04:23 <sugardave> yep :)
Feb 18 20:05:29 <sugardave> martinhacks_: ever heard of xpath?
Feb 18 20:05:39 <martinhacks_> yeah
Feb 18 20:06:00 <sugardave> it might be easier to use, once you figure out the right selector
Feb 18 20:06:17 <martinhacks_> it was a pain in the ass to parse the html
Feb 18 20:06:22 <sugardave> but I'm more interested why the code stops running at the end of your parsing iterators
Feb 18 20:07:06 <martinhacks_> too much memory consume?
Feb 18 20:09:24 <sugardave> what is also confusing me is that I have basically started you with a 0 list now, but the log messages are always showing those 9 entries...unless I get a good response from the server, then there are 46 entries and it kills the app before I can see if it updated the list
Feb 18 20:09:58 <martinhacks_> ok I think I know why
Feb 18 20:11:21 <martinhacks_> maybe there are too many tables on the website
Feb 18 20:11:56 <martinhacks_> we have to probably add some break; to the first loop
Feb 18 20:11:57 <sugardave> oh, I see, that is this week's menu
Feb 18 20:12:03 <sugardave> that is why I see the same data
Feb 18 20:12:21 <martinhacks_> yeah
Feb 18 20:12:24 <martinhacks_> actually todays menu
Feb 18 20:12:35 <martinhacks_> oh you mean the static data
Feb 18 20:12:41 <martinhacks_> yes its from two days ago
Feb 18 20:16:29 <sugardave> martinhacks_: I also think their HTML is not good
Feb 18 20:16:49 <sugardave> I don't see the <table> for the menu, just the </table>
Feb 18 20:16:54 <sugardave> :s
Feb 18 20:16:59 <martinhacks_> hmm
Feb 18 20:17:12 <martinhacks_> let me see in their site with chrome inspector
Feb 18 20:17:17 <sugardave> os I see it now
Feb 18 20:17:45 <sugardave> martinhacks_: I think we can do this without parsing as XML...let me see if I can remember how
Feb 18 20:18:11 <sugardave> you can put the responseText in a div and access it via DOM nodes
Feb 18 20:18:16 <sugardave> er DOM methods
Feb 18 20:18:27 <sugardave> let me find my app that does something similar
Feb 18 20:18:40 <martinhacks_> ok sounds very good :)
Feb 18 20:22:07 <sugardave> my code is a little complex, so I'm going to paste a simple example with some comments, you might want to make a new data load function instead of massaging the current one
Feb 18 20:22:32 <martinhacks_> sounds awesome
Feb 18 20:22:34 <martinhacks_> thanks a lot
Feb 18 20:23:31 <martinhacks_> its very weird though
Feb 18 20:23:59 <haeffb_pre> "my code is a little..." what? say it ain't so!
Feb 18 20:25:56 <martinhacks_> lol :)
Feb 18 20:26:58 * sugardave kicks haeffb_pre in the balls.
Feb 18 20:27:02 <sugardave> martinhacks_: http://pastebin.com/fRLYcPrt
Feb 18 20:27:31 <martinhacks_> I like this: $A(div.select('table'));
Feb 18 20:27:35 <martinhacks_> thanks a lot sugardave
Feb 18 20:27:36 <sugardave> yeah
Feb 18 20:27:38 <sugardave> np
Feb 18 20:27:52 <sugardave> I didn't elaborate in my each function, so let me know if you need pointers on that
Feb 18 20:29:15 <sugardave> if you have a specific class name, you can use that in your .select and just get that one table
Feb 18 20:29:15 <martinhacks_> well I see that each is the function where I should put my code
Feb 18 20:29:48 <martinhacks_> yeah I do
Feb 18 20:29:50 <sugardave> martinhacks_: right, and the item argument will be the array index (the whole table node)
Feb 18 20:29:56 <martinhacks_> I didn't know you can use selectors
Feb 18 20:30:01 <sugardave> oh yes
Feb 18 20:30:03 <martinhacks_> one of the things I miss from jquery
Feb 18 20:30:18 <sugardave> also $A is Prototype.js magic
Feb 18 20:30:19 <martinhacks_> never worked with prototype though
Feb 18 20:30:36 <sugardave> turns a node list into a js array
Feb 18 20:30:37 <ajay_> well at least pdc@ replied to acknowledge my email about the dev device coupon.. now for the email about the free device! ack ;^)
Feb 18 20:32:01 <martinhacks_> how do you select an element through its class?
Feb 18 20:32:16 <martinhacks_> in jquery you would do so: jQuery('.myclass')
Feb 18 20:34:36 * martinhacks_ is reading the prototype docs
Feb 18 20:34:36 <haeffb_pre> getElementByClassName?
Feb 18 20:35:05 <martinhacks_> no I meant in prototype
Feb 18 20:35:06 * haeffb_pre 's balls hurt
Feb 18 20:36:28 <ajay_> tmi
Feb 18 20:37:32 <haeffb_pre> too much kicking
Feb 18 20:38:11 <kamui__> finally got my pre 2
Feb 18 20:38:15 <kamui__> took ages to arrive
Feb 18 20:38:20 <kamui__> overnight shipping with fedex sucks
Feb 18 20:38:33 <kamui__> Im a little dissapointed to see it didn't ship with one of those touchstones
Feb 18 20:38:39 <haeffb_pre> getElementsByClassName
Feb 18 20:39:09 <haeffb_pre> touchstone is $15 from Verizon
Feb 18 20:39:24 <kamui__> at the store?
Feb 18 20:39:28 <kamui__> I may go in and buy 2 then
Feb 18 20:39:38 <geeksquadkid> touchstones? the regular old touchstone. it's like 10 bucks amazon.
Feb 18 20:39:42 <kamui__> my company gets a 40% discount on vzw accessories
Feb 18 20:39:44 <martinhacks_> I want one for my car
Feb 18 20:39:46 <joetweeply> ajay_: yeah the coupon i got too although i clearly stated not being a US citizen
Feb 18 20:39:46 <haeffb_pre> online
Feb 18 20:40:14 <hellman> how much are pre 2 on verizon
Feb 18 20:40:31 <solix> 99 bux I think w rebate
Feb 18 20:40:45 <hellman> hmm
Feb 18 20:41:03 <hellman> plus a 2 year contract?
Feb 18 20:41:07 <geeksquadkid> on the hp website yeah 99
Feb 18 20:41:07 <solix> yup
Feb 18 20:41:12 <haeffb_pre> $18.75 on amazon
Feb 18 20:41:24 <hellman> damn
Feb 18 20:41:29 <geeksquadkid> close enough to 15 lol
Feb 18 20:41:35 <solix> heh
Feb 18 20:41:44 <hellman> i thought they were given them away to developers
Feb 18 20:42:07 <martinhacks_> to "qualified" developers
Feb 18 20:42:19 <solix> you can ask/request one.
Feb 18 20:42:36 <ajay_> The Vz (and probably amazon) touchstone doesn't include a cable/plug, btw!  (I didn't realize this at the time :)
Feb 18 20:42:47 <ajay_> joetweeply: so you can't use it?
Feb 18 20:42:55 <joetweeply> yup can't use it
Feb 18 20:43:14 <joetweeply> so my last resort is the free device program for qualified developers
Feb 18 20:43:15 <hellman> why would you need the cable
Feb 18 20:43:28 <hellman> the phone comes with a charger
Feb 18 20:43:33 <haeffb_pre> you can get the cable /plug cheap on amazon too
Feb 18 20:43:37 <hellman> it uses the same cable
Feb 18 20:43:56 <haeffb_pre> spares
Feb 18 20:44:15 <rboatright> spares?  monoprice.com
Feb 18 20:44:20 <geeksquadkid> hellman: 2 touchstones = 2 cables
Feb 18 20:44:20 <haeffb_pre> $5.68 on amazon
Feb 18 20:44:25 <hellman> i have so many touch stones and cables at home now
Feb 18 20:44:32 <hellman> have no use for them anymore
Feb 18 20:44:32 <geeksquadkid> so if you have one...
Feb 18 20:44:40 <geeksquadkid> I'll take em xD
Feb 18 20:45:08 <hellman> wife has an epic she uses the pre charger
Feb 18 20:45:15 <geeksquadkid> ahh
Feb 18 20:45:26 <haeffb_pre> monoprice have the plug too?
Feb 18 20:45:32 <rboatright> monoprice has chargers AND cabes dead cheap
Feb 18 20:45:37 <rboatright> really really cheap
Feb 18 20:47:04 <dawm_> i bought the oem palm cords/wall plugs off some seller on amazon for super cheap (i think i paid $8 and i got 3 of each)
Feb 18 20:47:46 <ajay_> cable+plug is 5.68???
Feb 18 20:48:15 <ajay_> I have SEVERAL micro-usb cables, NONE* of them fit in the touchstone (*none=non-palm)
Feb 18 20:48:16 <dawm_> i got 2 revenue payments.. one that was like $4 and the other was over $100
Feb 18 20:48:17 <geeksquadkid> well hellman if you ever wanna get those touchstones off your hands :P
Feb 18 20:48:52 <ajay_> I just bought 2 of those touchstones from verizon, now to sell them since i have no use.. i need a cable+plug so i can setup touchstones in different places, without carrying my cable+plug around.
Feb 18 20:49:08 <ajay_> my palm cables have a tendency to go bad the more they travel
Feb 18 20:49:17 <rboatright> all my monoprice cables fi he touchstone just fine
Feb 18 20:49:55 <solix> I put heat shrink tubing on ALL the ends of my cables.. never fails, less stress on wires when plugged/unplugged so much.
Feb 18 20:51:51 <ajay_> any Vz'ers here?
Feb 18 20:52:40 <InfiniteLoop> does anyone know if the existing touchstone's will work with the newer devices ?
Feb 18 20:53:08 <kamui__> ajay
Feb 18 20:53:10 <kamui__> I am
Feb 18 20:53:11 <ajay_> InfiniteLoop: There seems to be a lot of people wondering that.. it looked like the veer worked, and i believe i read the pre^3 has been said to
Feb 18 20:53:13 <solix> ajay
Feb 18 20:53:24 <rboatright> the ttable tho looks to be a clear no
Feb 18 20:53:34 <ajay_> here's the real q: Anyone tried to get skype goin on Vz?
Feb 18 20:53:39 <InfiniteLoop> ah dang!
Feb 18 20:53:52 <hellman> you didn't prefer to wait for the pre 3 or something?
Feb 18 20:53:56 <rboatright> byes
Feb 18 20:54:03 <solix> nawp. havnt done skype yet on big red.
Feb 18 20:54:05 <ajay_> on a pre+ i mean
Feb 18 20:55:56 <geeksquadkid> don't believe anyone has. ajay_
Feb 18 20:56:43 <kamui__> ajay: I just tried
Feb 18 20:56:44 <kamui__> epic fail
Feb 18 20:56:50 <kamui__> authentication fails
Feb 18 20:56:59 <kamui__> and thats def my password
Feb 18 20:56:59 <solix> although, I saw a 'skype telephone box' on a campus I just came from.. took a photo & facebooked it :)
Feb 18 20:57:46 <geeksquadkid> kamui_: it would prob involve modifying the app and removeing the check. and an illegal copy of 2.0
Feb 18 20:57:57 <geeksquadkid> but yeah.
Feb 18 20:58:01 <ajay_> kamui__: Hmm.. what pieces did you install other than skyped?
Feb 18 20:59:01 <geeksquadkid> and what phone are you using and OS version.
Feb 18 21:00:10 * ajay_ is not so excited at finding something called 'sweatshop' as part of Palm's dr
Feb 18 21:00:45 <geeksquadkid> LOL that makes my day.
Feb 18 21:01:52 <ajay_> I assume we're all using Pre+ on 1.4.5 if we're on Verizon
Feb 18 21:01:58 <ajay_> geek
Feb 18 21:02:08 <geeksquadkid> well pre 2 is out correct?
Feb 18 21:02:27 <geeksquadkid> and it's 2.0 on verizon
Feb 18 21:03:42 <ajay_> geeksquadkid: once again, we're having 2 different discussions
Feb 18 21:03:50 <sugardave> martinhacks_: did you figure it out?
Feb 18 21:03:57 <sugardave> martinhacks_: you use css style selector
Feb 18 21:04:03 <martinhacks_> still working on it
Feb 18 21:04:05 <martinhacks_> reading docs
Feb 18 21:04:06 <ajay_> kamui__: how'd you try to get it to work?
Feb 18 21:04:15 <sugardave> martinhacks_: so  .select('.className')
Feb 18 21:06:34 <martinhacks_> oh nice
Feb 18 21:06:36 <martinhacks_> I see
Feb 18 21:07:01 <ajay_> solix: did the skype telephone have a video screen/camera?
Feb 18 21:07:05 <ajay_> doh
Feb 18 21:08:28 <ajay_> weird, the permissions on /tmp on my pre+ just changed all of a sudden. eh
Feb 18 21:20:19 <destinal-work> rboatright: do you have a monoprice SKU from your receipt?
Feb 18 21:20:39 <destinal-work> my monoprice cables I bought a while ago most definitely do not fit
Feb 18 21:21:01 <ajay_> destinal-work: I was debating cutting mine, but .. dunno.. and it might not work, the pins might need to be fused too
Feb 18 21:21:05 <destinal-work> my official palm cables are nearly invincible but the monoprice ones tend to die with abuse
Feb 18 21:21:20 <ajay_> destinal-work: you're lucky that yours are invincible
Feb 18 21:22:13 <destinal-work> ajay_: you can usually just shave the plastic around the connector
Feb 18 21:22:24 <ajay_> i was thinking
Feb 18 21:22:39 <ajay_> as long as the cables have their pins fused as the touchstone requires
Feb 18 21:28:56 <sugardave> ah, jshint.com
Feb 18 21:30:57 * ajay_ says oops, 1.4.5 /usr too small
Feb 18 21:34:58 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: what's that?
Feb 18 21:35:01 <codeslaw> so whats up with our pre2's
Feb 18 21:35:16 <codeslaw> i emailed the peeps but got no response... is that pretty much the status quo?
Feb 18 21:38:09 <haeffb_pre> no response
Feb 18 21:38:47 * ajay_ says damn novaterm keeps closing
Feb 18 21:38:59 <sugardave> it's a kinder, gentler jslint
Feb 18 21:46:30 <rwhitby> morning
Feb 18 21:46:35 * ajay_ doesn't know how anyone tested out skype on VzPre+ considering the /usr restriction
Feb 18 21:47:19 <rwhitby> skype ipks won't work on 1.4.5 - they use 2.0 db8 features
Feb 18 21:48:39 <dkirker> morning rwhitby
Feb 18 21:48:48 <halfhalo> aww
Feb 18 21:51:00 <ajay_> rwhitby: haha i just started thinking about /etc/palm/db and realized that, before i saw your chat.. doh!
Feb 18 21:51:23 <ajay_> ok, as long as my 1.4.5 phone is probably completely borked now, haha.. let's do a luna restart and make sure
Feb 18 21:51:37 <ajay_> can db8 be brought to 1.4.5?
Feb 18 21:52:22 <CTLAdvance> rwhitby its almost exactly the same as the 2.0.1 build just with vzw applications I assume
Feb 18 21:52:45 <rwhitby> yep, and localisation stripped out
Feb 18 21:52:54 <rwhitby> ajay_: no
Feb 18 21:55:06 * ajay_ cries home
Feb 18 21:57:21 <CTLAdvance> ajay should apply for dev pre 2 if he is a dev
Feb 18 21:59:07 * ajay_ is being talked about like he's not here ;^)
Feb 18 21:59:49 <ajay_> CTLAdvance: howdya figure?
Feb 18 21:59:58 <InfiniteLoop> rwhitby: where is this skype ipk  - perhaps in palm beta catalog ?
Feb 18 22:00:02 <CTLAdvance> huh?
Feb 18 22:00:13 <ajay_> i mean, how does that relate to what i said.. there's no talk of vz pre2's bein given
Feb 18 22:00:16 <rwhitby> InfiniteLoop: public verizon Pre 2 doctor
Feb 18 22:00:40 <CTLAdvance> you can extract the code from the vzw public doctor and install on unloacked pre2
Feb 18 22:00:58 * ajay_ says moment of truth/failure
Feb 18 22:01:10 <CTLAdvance> though, not sure how legit that method is
Feb 18 22:01:12 <rwhitby> woot - january app payment :)
Feb 18 22:01:42 <haeffb_pre> woot!
Feb 18 22:01:45 <CTLAdvance> ajay - if your a developer, you can get a pre2 device which will have the same base 2.0.1 as verizon
Feb 18 22:01:57 * sugardave gets no January app payment.
Feb 18 22:02:03 <ajay_> rwhitby: Anything else use db8? accounts/contatcs i guess.. frameworks... messaging?
Feb 18 22:02:33 <ajay_> CTLAdvance: i guess my point was that the gsm pre2 would be useless wrt vz/skype
Feb 18 22:04:39 * ajay_ wonders if his vz pre+ will even launch luna after his modifications
Feb 18 22:04:59 <rboatright> assuming one had a vz pre-  the gsm pre2 dropps it's comms board, and thre pre- becomes a dev device and Bob's your uncle....
Feb 18 22:04:59 <ajay_> oh, it launches, and then disappears. how neat
Feb 18 22:05:05 <CTLAdvance> did they announce the pre3 with a front facing camera
Feb 18 22:05:35 <rwhitby> rboatright: yeah, verizon to verizon comms board swaps are likely to be popular for the hotspot thing
Feb 18 22:14:01 <ajay_> i've been hearing mixed reports about vz free hotspot for Pre2, so pretty confused if they are or aren't
Feb 18 22:15:59 * ajay_ hmm.. better get a nokia dev account quick! they're some generous folks
Feb 18 22:19:52 <ajay_> ok about time to go methinks.. luckily luna restarted after i put the default apps back, haah
Feb 18 22:23:32 * ajay_ says interesting, Nokia has people do a click-thru NDA to join dev program
Feb 18 22:26:20 <rwhitby-pre> so does Palm at the moment for 2.0 which is on shipping phones
Feb 18 22:34:48 <RagingMind> I still don't get why the 2.0 SDK is still under NDA
Feb 18 22:34:54 <RagingMind> are they just going to skip up to 3?
Feb 18 22:36:09 <ajay_> RagingMind: SERIOUSLY!
Feb 18 22:36:46 <RagingMind> if they don't hurry up I"ll get bored and start playing with android
Feb 18 22:37:51 <ajay_> RagingMind: i'm going to just apply for the free playbook, if I can code in html5/css there too then that seems fun (esp since i want me some gestures on my tablet.. w/ a webOS feel)
Feb 18 22:39:27 <Tibfib> dangit I hate the review system
Feb 18 22:39:40 <Tibfib> I wish I could reply to people.. I want to know what they are talking about :/
Feb 18 22:41:23 <rboatright> put a review option in your program "contact author"
Feb 18 22:41:38 <rboatright> have it post to a guesbook or something
Feb 18 22:43:00 <Tibfib> I don't think most users will check the app menu for the about page before reviewing an app
Feb 18 22:45:46 <kamui__> installing preware on my pre2, can I used the wget/preware-bootstrap option
Feb 18 22:45:51 <kamui__> and how long should it itake
Feb 18 22:45:56 <rwhitby-pre> anything you want the user to see has to be on the main screen
Feb 18 22:45:56 <kamui__> doesn't appear to be verbose
Feb 18 22:46:12 <rwhitby-pre> kamui__: use palm-install
Feb 18 22:47:00 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: I don't want a billion support emails either. tough to find a balance. I guess it's better to have too many
Feb 18 22:47:56 <rwhitby-pre> or just ignore comments that aren't useful - that's what I do
Feb 18 22:48:01 * oilsworkn considers posting "this broke my pre so I returned it to sprint" in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development.html
Feb 18 22:48:13 <oilsworkn> :)
Feb 18 22:48:16 <rboatright> ls
Feb 18 22:48:40 <oilsworkn> .
Feb 18 22:48:41 <oilsworkn> ..
Feb 18 22:48:49 <rwhitby-pre> EBADURL
Feb 18 22:48:58 <kamui__> thanks rwhitby-pre
Feb 18 22:49:00 <kamui__> def the way to go
Feb 18 22:49:02 <kamui__> already done
Feb 18 22:49:06 <kamui__> bbiab, off to dinner
Feb 18 22:49:15 <ajay_> ttfn
Feb 18 22:49:56 <Tibfib> hmm, what device has version 2.1.0?
Feb 18 22:50:04 <Tibfib> does the verizon pre2?
Feb 18 22:50:31 <oilsworkn> pre2s come with 2.0.1
Feb 18 22:50:39 * rwhitby-pre adds 'foo.html' to the end of oilsworkn's url
Feb 18 22:50:40 <Tibfib> hmm
Feb 18 22:50:57 <oilsworkn> 2.1.0 is a unicorn
Feb 18 22:51:00 <Tibfib> I have 14 dls of koto on 2.1.0 devices
Feb 18 22:51:17 <Tibfib> and 2 on pre3's
Feb 18 22:51:28 * oilsworkn changes his copy of koto to report version 4.1.0
Feb 18 22:51:33 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 18 22:51:37 <rwhitby-pre> one would assume the next version of webOS in testing at Palm would have a version number similar to that ...
Feb 18 22:51:37 <Tibfib> go for it
Feb 18 22:51:42 <oilsworkn> omg guys 4.1 is in the wild!
Feb 18 22:51:51 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: yeah, just a high number is all
Feb 18 22:52:10 <dohtem> Tibfib: how do you get those download stats?
Feb 18 22:52:17 <Tibfib> metrix
Feb 18 22:52:24 <dohtem> ah, gotcha
Feb 18 22:52:57 <oilsworkn> he reaches into your webos device and takes them
Feb 18 22:52:59 <Tibfib> so rwhitby-pre, is there a way to just include the koto ipk in the internals app feed? or does it have to built from source?
Feb 18 22:53:04 <rwhitby-pre> Tibfib: is Koto opt-in?
Feb 18 22:53:06 <rboatright> dohtem  it's a clever thing to put a phone home ajax call in your javascript that shows you how many USERS are USING the program.
Feb 18 22:53:45 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: i bet it could be done
Feb 18 22:53:47 <rwhitby-pre> Tibfib: built from source. use PreCentral feed if you want to distribute binaries with trojans ;)
Feb 18 22:53:53 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 18 22:53:56 <dohtem> rboatright: I know of Metrix but I'm still on the fence about apps phoning home.  Some people utterly despise it.
Feb 18 22:54:02 <Tibfib> I don't want to include my api keys rwhitby-pre
Feb 18 22:54:25 * oilsworkn opens tibfibs ipk and steals his keys :)
Feb 18 22:54:28 <rwhitby-pre> dohtem: any use of Metrix which is not opt-in is evil
Feb 18 22:54:35 <Tibfib> hmmm
Feb 18 22:54:36 <rboatright> dohtem  just make phoning home an opt in on first run
Feb 18 22:54:39 <Tibfib> not even opt out?
Feb 18 22:54:51 <rwhitby-pre> opt in on first run
Feb 18 22:55:02 <rwhitby-pre> anything else is evil
Feb 18 22:55:03 * oilsworkn is in opt-in camp
Feb 18 22:55:08 <Tibfib> hmmm
Feb 18 22:55:22 <dohtem> "by downloading this app, you have opted in."  DUN DUN DUN!
Feb 18 22:55:28 <oilsworkn> haha
Feb 18 22:55:33 <oilsworkn> and followed Tibfib on twitter
Feb 18 22:55:36 <oilsworkn> and liked his fb page
Feb 18 22:55:44 <oilsworkn> thanks!
Feb 18 22:55:46 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 18 22:55:47 <rwhitby-pre> in fact, anything other than opt in could be illegal with .eu privacy laws
Feb 18 22:55:47 <oilsworkn> >:)
Feb 18 22:55:58 <Tibfib> interesting
Feb 18 22:56:11 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: 99% of devs dont care xD
Feb 18 22:56:15 <oilsworkn> we're the vocal minority
Feb 18 22:56:26 <Tibfib> yeah. I have to say I'm one that doesn't care, as a user or dev.
Feb 18 22:56:37 <Tibfib> But I know many do, so I'll make it at least opt out
Feb 18 22:56:40 <dohtem> I dont either
Feb 18 22:56:43 <oilsworkn> in fact, i've never seen an opt-in or the option to opt-out in any apps i know use metrix
Feb 18 22:56:44 <oilsworkn> wait
Feb 18 22:56:48 <oilsworkn> besides maybe drpodder?
Feb 18 22:56:50 <rboatright> it's one of those things you have to learn to deal with if you want to keep your reputation as the guys in white hats.
Feb 18 22:57:05 <dohtem> if it's harmless stats being collected, device, carrier, OS version and the like.  No biggie
Feb 18 22:57:06 <rwhitby-pre> drPodder does it right
Feb 18 22:57:13 <oilsworkn> yeah
Feb 18 22:57:16 <oilsworkn> thats the only one
Feb 18 22:57:30 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: does it do a dialog? I can't remember?
Feb 18 22:57:41 <rwhitby-pre> it's a big deal if you're in early access and an app silently breaks your NDA for you
Feb 18 22:57:55 <oilsworkn> i think its like the preware file association dialog
Feb 18 22:58:24 * Tibfib dls homebrew version of drpodder
Feb 18 22:59:00 <rwhitby-pre> we're considering writing an app which searches for silent phone home offenders and then shame them publicly
Feb 18 22:59:12 <oilsworkn> considering?
Feb 18 22:59:14 <oilsworkn> we should
Feb 18 22:59:15 <Loudergood> <3 drpodder
Feb 18 22:59:26 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: drpodder is op out
Feb 18 22:59:36 <oilsworkn> but it lets you opt out before it phones home
Feb 18 22:59:40 <Tibfib> it lets you know it is enabled
Feb 18 22:59:43 <rwhitby-pre> Tibfib: it asks on first run
Feb 18 22:59:51 <oilsworkn> instead of hiding it in prefs for you to find
Feb 18 23:00:19 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: I just ran drpodder for the "first" time (webOS did the thing where it deletes all cookies) and it let me know
Feb 18 23:00:37 <rwhitby-pre> oilsworkn: btw, modeswitcher  is going to use impostah service
Feb 18 23:00:43 <oilsworkn> orly?
Feb 18 23:00:47 <oilsworkn> for what
Feb 18 23:00:56 <oilsworkn> to sneak into other apps?
Feb 18 23:01:01 <rwhitby-pre> com.palm stuff
Feb 18 23:01:13 <oilsworkn> ah
Feb 18 23:01:23 * oilsworkn hasn't seen sconix around in a while
Feb 18 23:03:21 <Garfonso> why do I get an error "Unknown Method" when trying to call 'palm://com.palm.calendar/crud' with 'createMethod' from a PDK plugin?
Feb 18 23:03:29 * sugardave really hates it when his machine randomly powers off.
Feb 18 23:03:33 <Garfonso> is this not meant to work? Or am I doing something wrong?
Feb 18 23:03:40 <Garfonso> or is it just not working in 1.4.5?
Feb 18 23:03:50 <oilsworkn> sugardave: thats what happens when you randomly hit the power button
Feb 18 23:04:11 <oilsworkn> but a minute bootup back to irc?
Feb 18 23:04:11 <oilsworkn> wow
Feb 18 23:04:18 <dohtem> sugardave: crappy PSU?
Feb 18 23:04:46 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre, oilsworkn: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/photos-temp-0jpg.jpg
Feb 18 23:05:05 <oilsworkn> so not as cool as i thought
Feb 18 23:05:18 <oilsworkn> but still, better then all the other metrix apps
Feb 18 23:05:24 <sugardave> I really have no idea why it happens...it might be flash
Feb 18 23:05:33 <Tibfib> I'm going to add a list row to the changelog page in koto
Feb 18 23:05:57 <Tibfib> "Send Anonymous Statistics?" set to yes initially
Feb 18 23:06:22 <oilsworkn> does anyone actually read changelogs?
Feb 18 23:06:30 <Tibfib> it'll be at the top.. lol
Feb 18 23:06:38 * oilsworkn assumes people just wait for his continue button to appear
Feb 18 23:06:50 <Tibfib> I read it in preware
Feb 18 23:06:55 <oilsworkn> wow
Feb 18 23:07:39 <oilsworkn> on an unrelated note
Feb 18 23:07:44 <oilsworkn> why is that screenshot so huge?
Feb 18 23:08:12 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: no clue
Feb 18 23:08:19 <Tibfib> I uploaded it thru the photos app
Feb 18 23:08:20 <oilsworkn> lol
Feb 18 23:11:46 <Tibfib> Does anyone know what this means? "Scroll bar accuracy would be greatly improved with a waveform image too."
Feb 18 23:11:50 <Tibfib> in a review of koto
Feb 18 23:13:12 <rwhitby-pre> waveform image of sound vs time lets you skip to aurally significant section
Feb 18 23:13:36 <rwhitby-pre> prob hard to do
Feb 18 23:14:01 <Tibfib> hahaha
Feb 18 23:14:08 * oilsworkn has faith in tibfibs abilities
Feb 18 23:14:12 <Tibfib> yeah. awesome idea, not happening
Feb 18 23:14:15 <oilsworkn> though, im 100% certain you cant do it with js
Feb 18 23:14:18 <Tibfib> yeah
Feb 18 23:14:26 * Tibfib only knows js
Feb 18 23:14:26 <oilsworkn> possibly node?
Feb 18 23:14:32 <oilsworkn> i dont know enough to speak to it
Feb 18 23:14:41 * Tibfib doesn't know node much either
Feb 18 23:14:46 <oilsworkn> get on it!
Feb 18 23:14:50 * Mousey just got here
Feb 18 23:14:52 <Tibfib> no need so far
Feb 18 23:15:03 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: thanks
Feb 18 23:15:26 <Tibfib> this reviewer also says "Also needs many more song details included, for sorting the music not in playlists ie. Date modified or even by bit rate..."
Feb 18 23:15:40 <Tibfib> I'm sorry man, not possible :/
Feb 18 23:15:50 <oilsworkn> the media indexer doesn't include that stuff?
Feb 18 23:16:04 <rwhitby-pre> needs a pony too
Feb 18 23:16:16 <dkirker> rwhitby-pre: http://www.i-want-a-pony.com/
Feb 18 23:16:22 <oilsworkn> and more unicorns
Feb 18 23:16:28 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: sadly, it's under nda, so I probabl shouldn't say more
Feb 18 23:16:39 <oilsworkn> gasp!
Feb 18 23:17:38 <rwhitby-pre> heh, even though it's on github/palm
Feb 18 23:17:48 <oilsworkn> http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/fight-club-venn.jpg
Feb 18 23:18:30 <halfhalo> yeah, node itself isn't under nda, the implementation itself maybe.
Feb 18 23:18:31 <Tibfib> rwhitby-pre: what is?
Feb 18 23:18:44 <rwhitby-pre> node palm
Feb 18 23:18:47 <Tibfib> ah
Feb 18 23:19:04 <oilsworkn> i think he was talking about mediaindexer?
Feb 18 23:19:09 <oilsworkn> (as being nda'd?)
Feb 18 23:19:20 * Tibfib was
Feb 18 23:19:29 <rwhitby-pre> ah
Feb 18 23:21:16 <oilsworkn> hey, its otterpants!
Feb 18 23:23:30 * dohtem hails
Feb 18 23:23:45 * halfhalo gets a pitchfork
Feb 18 23:23:58 <oilsworkn> for what, moving some hay?
Feb 18 23:24:02 <halfhalo> totally unrelated to anything else tho
Feb 18 23:27:53 * oilsworkn bbl
Feb 18 23:39:06 <fudge> hahaha
Feb 18 23:39:10 <fudge> finally got my pre
Feb 18 23:39:10 <fudge> :D
Feb 18 23:39:31 <fudge> it didnt even boot and im already in love with it
Feb 18 23:40:52 * geeksquadkid congraduates fudge. (yes. I prob spelt that wrong. idc.)
Feb 18 23:45:55 <cxreg> the hiveminder app is kinda lame :/
Feb 18 23:52:08 <geeksquadkid> hiveminder app?
Feb 19 00:01:18 <torchie> for some reason I can't create an event for 7:30 today without it magically teleporting to 7:00 yesterday
Feb 19 00:01:41 <Tibfib> an alarm?
Feb 19 00:02:03 <torchie> a calendar event
Feb 19 00:02:15 <torchie> oh it seems to happen every time I create a repeating event for 7:30
Feb 19 00:02:28 <torchie> tuesday? im just gonna move to monday ok
Feb 19 00:03:02 <torchie> I don't know about this anymore
Feb 19 00:03:36 <Tibfib> oh, that's weird
Feb 19 00:04:26 <torchie> that's
Feb 19 00:04:36 <torchie> :/
Feb 19 00:05:54 <torchie> a car with an amazing interior where the exterior is made of goose down and craft glue and when you turn the steering wheel left it goes into park
Feb 19 00:19:58 <Tibfib> so, rwhitby, including koto ipk's in internals feed is a no go?
Feb 19 00:20:36 <rboatright> without an opt out it's absolutely a not go Tibfib
Feb 19 00:20:54 <Tibfib> that's simple enough..
Feb 19 00:21:04 <rboatright> and while I understant about your api keys,   there's an issue there, that only Rod can answer
Feb 19 00:21:45 <rwhitby> Tibfib: are the keys in a separate file?
Feb 19 00:21:54 <Tibfib> not at the moment
Feb 19 00:22:18 <rwhitby> we have an area on the builder which is not shared publicly for such things (like our own signing keys)
Feb 19 00:22:42 <rwhitby> I could stick a file in there and the Koto makefile could copy it in from there during the build
Feb 19 00:22:50 <Tibfib> that'd be perfect!
Feb 19 00:23:11 <rwhitby> give the file a globally unique and obvious name
Feb 19 00:23:19 <Tibfib> api_keys.js :)
Feb 19 00:23:29 <rwhitby> not globally unique
Feb 19 00:23:36 <Tibfib> like preware globally?
Feb 19 00:23:39 <rwhitby> include your appid in the filename
Feb 19 00:23:42 <Tibfib> err, internals apps globally?
Feb 19 00:23:57 <Tibfib> koto_player_app_keys.js ?
Feb 19 00:24:18 <Tibfib> com.tibfib.app.koto.app_keys.js then
Feb 19 00:24:36 * Tibfib gets to making those changes
Feb 19 00:24:46 <rwhitby> email me the sekret file
Feb 19 00:25:35 <rwhitby> then write a build.git/apps/koto/Makefile for the autobuilder
Feb 19 00:30:24 <KittyHello> when I render to the screen (PDK) sometimes alpha is wrong or screen flickers. When I draw to a framebuffer, everything is fine
Feb 19 00:32:14 <Tibfib> rwhitby: do I need to add something to the Makefile for the secret file?
Feb 19 00:32:37 <Tibfib> or will you handle that?
Feb 19 00:32:48 <fudge> ugh no evdo!
Feb 19 00:33:10 <PatrickC_Pre> hay
Feb 19 00:33:27 <fudge> hey
Feb 19 00:33:36 <PatrickC_Pre> what's up?
Feb 19 00:34:11 <fudge> had a great day, partied with the boys and came home to a nice palm pre
Feb 19 00:34:25 <fudge> i cant activate since thres no evodo
Feb 19 00:34:30 <fudge> evdo*
Feb 19 00:34:32 <PatrickC_Pre> not a Pre3?
Feb 19 00:34:40 <PatrickC_Pre> use the bypass activation
Feb 19 00:34:55 <fudge> nope. orivinal pre
Feb 19 00:35:09 <fudge> original*
Feb 19 00:35:16 <fudge> cant bypass
Feb 19 00:35:18 <PatrickC_Pre> how'd you get one of them? you had it? or new?
Feb 19 00:35:21 <PatrickC_Pre> why not?
Feb 19 00:35:36 <fudge> i bought it on ebay for $11.50
Feb 19 00:35:41 <PatrickC_Pre> wow
Feb 19 00:35:48 <fudge> yeah i was hyped when i got it
Feb 19 00:35:53 <PatrickC_Pre> why won't you bypass?
Feb 19 00:36:00 <fudge> i dont wanna bypass
Feb 19 00:36:05 <fudge> i wanna use it as a regular phone
Feb 19 00:36:10 <PatrickC_Pre> ahh
Feb 19 00:36:23 <PatrickC_Pre> so, if you have no EVDO, doctor. should fix it
Feb 19 00:36:42 <fudge> im tyring doctor
Feb 19 00:36:45 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 19 00:36:54 <Tibfib> make sure evdo is turned on...
Feb 19 00:36:55 <fudge> gets stuck at charging battery
Feb 19 00:37:04 <fudge> how do i do that tibfib
Feb 19 00:37:19 <PatrickC_Pre> you have to bypass activation :)
Feb 19 00:37:23 <fudge> lol
Feb 19 00:37:28 <Tibfib> I think it is in the phone app menu
Feb 19 00:37:32 <Tibfib> settings or something
Feb 19 00:37:41 <PatrickC_Pre> but to get to that you have to bypass
Feb 19 00:38:04 <fudge> ok, so i'll bypass activation, enable evdo, and use first use app
Feb 19 00:38:13 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Feb 19 00:38:20 <PatrickC_Pre> that should wor
Feb 19 00:38:22 <fudge> okie doke
Feb 19 00:38:31 * Tibfib makes no promises :)
Feb 19 00:38:39 <PatrickC_Pre> and you have to call Sprint to activate it
Feb 19 00:39:04 <fudge> yea sprint has no problems, its that pre has no evdo
Feb 19 00:39:23 <PatrickC_Pre> you have contacted them with the ESN?
Feb 19 00:39:34 <fudge> the esn activates
Feb 19 00:39:51 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, just makin sure ;)
Feb 19 00:39:56 <fudge> ok
Feb 19 00:40:31 <fudge> how do i put the pre into diagnostics mode
Feb 19 00:40:36 <PatrickC_Pre> lemme know if it works :)
Feb 19 00:40:40 <PatrickC_Pre> diagnostic mode?
Feb 19 00:41:00 <PatrickC_Pre> recovery mode?
Feb 19 00:41:02 <fudge> yea
Feb 19 00:41:07 <fudge> recovery :P
Feb 19 00:41:19 <PatrickC_Pre> take out the batter
Feb 19 00:41:24 <PatrickC_Pre> *battery*
Feb 19 00:41:30 <PatrickC_Pre> hold the "volume up"
Feb 19 00:41:41 <PatrickC_Pre> plug in USB cable
Feb 19 00:41:46 <PatrickC_Pre> re-insert battery
Feb 19 00:41:55 <PatrickC_Pre> boom, recovery mode
Feb 19 00:42:21 <fudge> oh lol
Feb 19 00:42:31 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Feb 19 00:42:37 <fudge> :P will try no
Feb 19 00:42:38 <fudge> now
Feb 19 00:42:53 <fudge> for soem reason, doctor wont run while pre is in first use mode
Feb 19 00:43:10 <PatrickC_Pre> it won't run when its in first use mode
Feb 19 00:43:15 <PatrickC_Pre> I don't think
Feb 19 00:43:21 <fudge> oh makes sense
Feb 19 00:43:50 <fudge> yay in recovery mode!
Feb 19 00:43:59 <PatrickC_Pre> yay
Feb 19 00:45:05 <PatrickC_Pre> JOEBPRE! hi
Feb 19 00:45:26 <joebpre> yo
Feb 19 00:45:29 <fudge> :D
Feb 19 00:45:49 <PatrickC_Pre> how's your webOS PC?
Feb 19 00:45:51 <PatrickC_Pre> :)
Feb 19 00:46:06 <PatrickC_Pre> and toaster
Feb 19 00:46:09 <joebpre> lol
Feb 19 00:46:16 <fudge> lol
Feb 19 00:46:20 <fudge> work
Feb 19 00:46:35 <PatrickC_Pre> have you head anything on the webOS microwave or fridge?
Feb 19 00:46:42 <joebpre> nop
Feb 19 00:46:42 <fudge> webos doctor is in charging battery stage
Feb 19 00:46:51 <fudge> woooo
Feb 19 00:46:54 * joebpre is on the toilet
Feb 19 00:46:55 <fudge> past it :D
Feb 19 00:46:57 <joebpre> lol
Feb 19 00:47:02 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, only 6 hours to go
Feb 19 00:47:07 <PatrickC_Pre> wow joe :)
Feb 19 00:47:16 <PatrickC_Pre> tmi lol
Feb 19 00:47:17 <joebpre> bbs
Feb 19 00:47:31 <PatrickC_Pre> and fudge, I'm kidding btw
Feb 19 00:47:50 <fudge> lol i know :3
Feb 19 00:48:04 <fudge> im kinda intox right now. so i could care less about jokes
Feb 19 00:48:05 <PatrickC_Pre> just checkin lol
Feb 19 00:48:10 <fudge> had a great day with the boys :)
Feb 19 00:48:16 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 19 00:48:32 <fudge> yep
Feb 19 00:48:42 <fudge> yay its its recovering! thank you PatrickC_Pre
Feb 19 00:48:49 <PatrickC_Pre> no prob
Feb 19 00:48:51 <PatrickC_Pre> anytime
Feb 19 00:48:55 <fudge> :)
Feb 19 00:49:08 <PatrickC_Pre> that'll be $150 please :)
Feb 19 00:49:14 <PatrickC_Pre> jk
Feb 19 00:49:17 <fudge> <2
Feb 19 00:49:19 <fudge> <3
Feb 19 00:49:50 <PatrickC_Pre> let me know what happens
Feb 19 00:49:53 <fudge> ok
Feb 19 00:50:11 <fudge> so far its at 9%
Feb 19 00:50:24 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, shouldn't be long
Feb 19 00:50:33 <fudge> pre has a way bigger screen than the pixi
Feb 19 00:50:36 <fudge> yup
Feb 19 00:50:43 <PatrickC_Pre> yea
Feb 19 00:50:47 <PatrickC_Pre> I gots both
Feb 19 00:50:54 <fudge> lol yay me too!
Feb 19 00:50:57 <PatrickC_Pre> and might get a Pre2
Feb 19 00:51:02 <fudge> lol lucky
Feb 19 00:51:10 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm a developer though ;)
Feb 19 00:51:19 <fudge> lol im still a nub :3
Feb 19 00:51:36 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone here hear back from the dev people about the Pre2's?
Feb 19 00:58:15 <fudge> yay its working!
Feb 19 00:58:34 <fudge> its at 50%
Feb 19 00:58:37 <KGF2009> Who here's good at CSS with WebOS?
Feb 19 00:59:06 <fudge> i know a couple people over at another server whose good with css
Feb 19 00:59:15 <PatrickC_Pre> KGF2009 check out webos101
Feb 19 00:59:20 <PatrickC_Pre> they might have some stuff
Feb 19 01:00:30 <PatrickC_Pre> hi fudge
Feb 19 01:01:21 <fudge> hi :P
Feb 19 01:01:27 <fudge> im so happy with my pre
Feb 19 01:01:34 <PatrickC_Pre> how far along?
Feb 19 01:01:35 <fudge> even tho i didnt get to activatge it
Feb 19 01:01:42 <fudge> so far at 64%
Feb 19 01:01:45 <PatrickC_Pre> are you gonna preware it?
Feb 19 01:02:00 <fudge> yup
Feb 19 01:02:09 <KGF2009> I just need to know if I can put two buttons on the same row as each other; I've already modified their size to 50px.
Feb 19 01:02:14 <fudge> i wanna overclock to 1ghz D
Feb 19 01:02:16 <fudge> :D
Feb 19 01:02:29 <PatrickC_Pre> fudge, go all out
Feb 19 01:02:36 <PatrickC_Pre> 1.2GHz
Feb 19 01:02:44 <KGF2009> 1GHZ isn't a good idea to have on 24/7.
Feb 19 01:02:54 <PatrickC_Pre> and KGF2009, I know you can. I did it in Ares
Feb 19 01:02:58 <KGF2009> Kills the battery and makes the phone run hot.
Feb 19 01:03:10 <KGF2009> Maybe I should just make this app in Ares, then.
Feb 19 01:03:19 <PatrickC_Pre> KGF2009, that's why you should use Screenstate
Feb 19 01:03:23 <PatrickC_Pre> and what kinda app?
Feb 19 01:03:39 <KGF2009> It's a life counter for Magic: The Gathering.
Feb 19 01:03:52 <KGF2009> Basically, my idea was to have a group for each your and your opponent's life.
Feb 19 01:03:57 <PatrickC_Pre> idk what that is :p
Feb 19 01:04:11 <KGF2009> Then, in that, show their life, and have + and - buttons next to the life.
Feb 19 01:04:19 <KGF2009> Card game.
Feb 19 01:04:39 <PatrickC_Pre> ahh. check out the dev forums
Feb 19 01:06:33 <KGF2009> I've never gotten Ares to work for me, though..
Feb 19 01:06:51 <fudge> its restarging
Feb 19 01:07:15 <fudge> pre can go up to 1.2ghz?
Feb 19 01:09:19 <fudge> still no evdo
Feb 19 01:09:52 <fudge> haha
Feb 19 01:09:58 <fudge> phone activated
Feb 19 01:10:44 <Tibfib> maybe that's why it was $11 :(
Feb 19 01:11:41 <fudge> im settling for less!
Feb 19 01:12:01 * KGF2009 doesn't like Ares.
Feb 19 01:12:04 <fudge> seller said nothing about data connection problems
Feb 19 01:16:44 <fudge> can i enable evdo
Feb 19 01:16:51 <fudge> through terminal
Feb 19 01:20:12 <fudge> anyone
Feb 19 01:20:28 <KGF2009> There's a patch for it to be in the system menu, I know that much.
Feb 19 01:20:41 <fudge> ok
Feb 19 01:20:43 <Tibfib> fudge: open the phone app
Feb 19 01:20:46 <Tibfib> check the app menu
Feb 19 01:20:56 <Tibfib> there should be a "settings" option or something
Feb 19 01:20:56 <KGF2009> Or that.
Feb 19 01:21:02 <Tibfib> check to see if it is on or not
Feb 19 01:21:15 <fudge> i'll try that. would i still need to bypass first use app?
Feb 19 01:21:26 <Tibfib> no
Feb 19 01:21:30 <Tibfib> well
Feb 19 01:21:39 <Tibfib> you have to be able to actually open teh phone app
Feb 19 01:22:26 <fudge> kk
Feb 19 01:22:31 <dkirker> Has anybody used the webView saveViewToFile function? I cannot seem to get it to want it to work... It returns "Offscreen gfx surface null"
Feb 19 01:23:58 <dkirker> Oh, I bet I know what is up...
Feb 19 01:24:51 <dkirker> Nope. Not even waiting until the page is 100% loaded seems to work...?
Feb 19 01:26:09 <Tibfib> dkirker: does palm ever use it>
Feb 19 01:26:09 <Tibfib> ?
Feb 19 01:26:34 <dkirker> yes
Feb 19 01:26:49 <dkirker> in the web browser, and I have read something on the forum of somebody even using it.
Feb 19 01:28:23 <dkirker> I wonder if swisstomcat ever got his problem solved...
Feb 19 01:28:46 <dkirker> He posted a similar problem in here.
Feb 19 01:30:13 <dkirker> sugardave: You had that problem before, didn't you? Did you ever fix it?
Feb 19 01:48:47 <dkirker> huh? Some sites seem to work.. Odd...
Feb 19 02:05:10 <dkirker> So... I can save files to /tmp using the saveViewToFile command, but I cannot have CSS reference that file. I also cannot save a file to /media/internal/ it seems...
Feb 19 02:05:15 <dkirker> great...
Feb 19 02:11:16 <dkirker> So, I just need to find out what directories apps can read from and write to.
Feb 19 02:20:05 <KGF2009> dkirker, appdata?
Feb 19 02:20:45 <joebpre> what's new ?
Feb 19 02:22:27 <dkirker> KGF2009: I think I tried that...
Feb 19 02:22:37 <dkirker> I am going to try one more thing, though.
Feb 19 02:24:53 <dkirker> I was hoping to just use /tmp, but I cannot load files from /tmp into an html page, it seems...
Feb 19 02:26:01 <KGF2009> If I were to use an <img> tag in my app, what's the root directory I would start from for the file?
Feb 19 02:26:35 <SineOt> the base of the app directory, I think
Feb 19 02:27:22 <dkirker> I tried doing ../../../../../../../../tmp, but as one would expect, it resolves it to file:///tmp/ and gives me a security warning...
Feb 19 02:27:51 <KGF2009> Yeah, web browser can't load any local files.
Feb 19 02:27:57 <KGF2009> No matter what.
Feb 19 02:28:02 <dkirker> bloody hell
Feb 19 02:28:30 <dkirker> Well, there is no way that I am going to upload the image to a server and download it. And another webview would be a waste...
Feb 19 02:33:29 * SineOt ... might finally switch to using the dock on the bottom of the screen!
Feb 19 02:34:08 <KGF2009> It's useful at times.
Feb 19 02:34:28 * oil hates things in the notification area
Feb 19 02:34:32 <KGF2009> But most of the time I use type-to-search, since some of my apps are hidden anyway.
Feb 19 02:34:37 <oil> im all OCD about keeping it clean
Feb 19 02:34:48 <KGF2009> oil, same here.
Feb 19 02:35:20 <SineOt> oil: that's why I'm sad about Pixi Mode Switcher requiring a dashboard all the time :C
Feb 19 02:35:38 <oil> it does?
Feb 19 02:35:42 <oil> wow
Feb 19 02:35:46 <SineOt> yup
Feb 19 02:36:02 <KGF2009> Same with Brightness Unlinked.
Feb 19 02:36:11 <SineOt> sconix was going to rewrite but dropped that in favor of doing a 2.0 version for 2.0+ that didn't need it
Feb 19 02:36:13 <KGF2009> Good app, but hate the dependency on dashboard.
Feb 19 02:36:17 * oil just uses invert patch
Feb 19 02:36:24 <KGF2009> Invert?
Feb 19 02:36:29 <SineOt> but now that it's like, the Pixi may never get 2.0... I may be stuck with it for ever
Feb 19 02:36:32 <oil> invert kb brightness
Feb 19 02:36:38 <KGF2009> Ah.
Feb 19 02:36:38 <oil> so when the screen is darker its brighter
Feb 19 02:36:43 <oil> instead of the other way around
Feb 19 02:42:12 <KGF2009> Oi...This app seemed so simple at first, now it's all complicated.
Feb 19 02:42:47 <SineOt> Anyone use Growl on OSX? http://macthemes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16808809 :o
Feb 19 02:49:25 <KGF2009> I'm really tempted to just try Ares, by now.
Feb 19 02:58:38 <oil> lol
Feb 19 02:59:53 <KGF2009> But of course, that doesn't work for me, either! I'm no good with visual interfaces..
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