**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 20 02:59:57 2011 Feb 20 04:11:50 hi all Feb 20 04:13:20 hello Feb 20 04:14:26 hiya Feb 20 04:20:06 hi Feb 20 04:27:21 hi oil Feb 20 04:46:13 hay Feb 20 05:13:31 hey guys, tried a million different things, but how can I vert/horz center an image? Feb 20 05:13:42 this doesn't work: http://phrogz.net/CSS/vertical-align/index.html Feb 20 05:14:22 My current approach http://paste.openstack.org/show/729/ Feb 20 05:21:38 sandywalsh: flexboxes? Feb 20 05:21:52 SineOt, hmm, never heard of them Feb 20 05:22:03 SineOt, read: i'm a n00b Feb 20 05:22:34 http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/ this is a decent intro to them Feb 20 05:22:44 but what you'll want is both your pack and align values to be "center" Feb 20 05:23:51 hay SineOt Feb 20 05:24:16 I think. That would center things horizontally and vertically. Change one of them (can't remember which) to start to return it to the normal beginning positioning Feb 20 05:24:31 Flexboxes make it really simple to vertically center things though, so they're awesome <3 Feb 20 05:24:38 SineOt, thx, was just reading that ... keep forgetting it's css3! Feb 20 05:24:41 http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/#packing < has more info Feb 20 05:24:49 you're welcome :D Feb 20 05:24:52 hey PatrickC_Pre Feb 20 05:25:14 we are talking 'bout webOS in ##windows :) Feb 20 05:25:40 fascinating! Feb 20 05:25:59 I know lol Feb 20 05:28:41 we are comparing WP7 and webOS Feb 20 05:30:10 I wasn't being serious when I said fascinating, just fyi :I Feb 20 05:30:42 I know :p Feb 20 05:31:23 * PatrickC_Pre Quit: net.split Feb 20 05:31:38 :) Feb 20 05:32:33 http://m.precentral.net/o2-palm-pre-plus-get-webos-2-x-update-computer Feb 20 05:36:52 SineOt, sadly, still no joy Feb 20 05:37:02 really? Feb 20 05:37:08 SineOt, shows promise (getting the width correct), but won't budge vertically Feb 20 05:37:19 weird Feb 20 05:37:22 yeah Feb 20 05:37:29 I've used Flexboxes a ton to vertically center content Feb 20 05:37:53 I've tried all the old school relative/absolute div tricks, no joy either Feb 20 06:02:09 no luck ... going to bed :/ Feb 20 06:21:22 I'm trying to attach photos to an email on my pre ... hard or easy ? Feb 20 06:22:52 easy Feb 20 06:23:06 when you're composing, press the paper clip icon Feb 20 07:06:23 oil: Preware 2 looks pretty awesome Feb 20 07:06:32 :) Feb 20 07:06:52 although needs more dark theme...~ Feb 20 07:07:01 yeah Feb 20 07:07:15 thats literally all it is though Feb 20 07:36:23 anyone here dropped their pre in liquid and recovered it? Feb 20 07:36:34 I got it in rice within 3 minutes of it happeneing Feb 20 07:40:54 morning Feb 20 07:41:13 i got email from palm and it looks my webos adventure is over :-( Feb 20 07:41:25 what's up? :< Feb 20 07:41:49 "We don't support registration from your country at this time, and unfortunately, I don't have a good workaround for that...This is something that we're evaluating and may change in the future, but at this point, I don't have a timeframe when it may happen." Feb 20 07:42:18 Hm, .hr... Hungary? Feb 20 07:42:27 so, considering status of meego, we're heading towards android lighthouse (aka qt on android) Feb 20 07:42:30 croatia Feb 20 07:42:39 ah Feb 20 07:43:41 I've done it with a treo pro if that counts Feb 20 07:43:57 anyway, i'm thankful for all info i received here and in #webos-internals and wishing all the best to the project...but without me Feb 20 07:44:06 torchie: whoa Feb 20 07:47:53 gour: just say you're in a different country Feb 20 07:48:15 yeah, rwhitby is in america Feb 20 07:48:15 gour: or put your address as Palm HQ in Sunnyvale Feb 20 07:48:25 he he Feb 20 07:48:42 oil: no, they accept Australia in the list Feb 20 07:48:47 oh Feb 20 07:49:18 well, those are possibilities, but i believe if hp does not want me to be officialy there, why should i care about hp? Feb 20 07:49:21 hopefully hp's "scale" will get all these country restrictions lifted Feb 20 07:49:35 gour: your choice I guess. Feb 20 07:50:11 but if you're looking for an excuse to leave, that's one ;) Feb 20 07:50:39 s/leave/not apply/ Feb 20 07:51:43 rwhitby: it's not just question of cheating to have dev account...it probanly means there won't be webos-based phones sold in croatia, contracts with carrier etc. and this is another thing Feb 20 07:52:02 gour: get in line behind Australia for that suff. Feb 20 07:52:03 stuff Feb 20 07:52:09 2012 at the earliest I expect Feb 20 07:52:12 rwhitby: i wanted to apply, but i pasted the answer from hp Feb 20 07:53:14 gour: yeah, no idea why they would exclude croatia. sounds like they have a file with a list of countries and they guy who knows how to edit it has left the company Feb 20 07:53:36 croatia is too small webos market for hp to care...i had to buy my rpn-calcs from outside in the past, but for the calc one does not need contract :-) Feb 20 07:54:44 otoh, i see that the guy (bogdan) behind android-qt is determined to stay with the project... Feb 20 07:54:56 * gour --> breakfast. bbl Feb 20 10:23:40 Hi Feb 20 16:00:43 whose alive I heard webos 2 is out ? Feb 20 16:01:14 http://www.webosbuzz.com/content/178-webos-2-0-leaked-sprint-t-get-now.html Feb 20 16:01:27 hi Feb 20 16:01:34 yo Feb 20 16:02:04 is it safe ? Feb 20 16:02:12 i dunno Feb 20 16:02:23 did you get it? Feb 20 16:03:14 I'm in bed checking twitter and I saw that Feb 20 16:03:18 lol Feb 20 16:03:50 I saw a nasty tweet Feb 20 16:04:14 eh? Feb 20 16:20:04 I spilled a drink on my pre last night :( Feb 20 16:20:43 it was immediately put in rice, now I'm checking to see if it actually works Feb 20 16:20:47 it turned on just fine Feb 20 16:25:55 nie Feb 20 16:25:57 nice* Feb 20 16:27:30 yeah :( it _seems_ like it's still working, all the keys and things are working Feb 20 16:27:52 how can I upload an image to the web from my pre .. like imageshack or tinypic Feb 20 16:30:40 or can you ? Feb 20 16:33:58 yes no maybe ? Feb 20 16:34:35 I'm honestly not sure how Feb 20 16:34:44 but I know twitter clients allow you to upload images Feb 20 16:36:40 joebpre: add a photobucket account to the photos app and upload it thru that Feb 20 16:37:32 is it a patch Tibfib ? Feb 20 16:37:39 no... Feb 20 16:46:19 ok Feb 20 16:46:35 so I signed up for photobucket Feb 20 16:49:53 Tibfib: now what I have the account I signed up on te computer .. I don't see photo bucket app in app catalog Feb 20 16:50:09 go to the photos app Feb 20 16:50:12 it is already supported Feb 20 16:53:49 thanks :P Feb 20 16:57:27 I wish flickr was an option Feb 20 17:00:43 after getting negative reply from palm/hp about my dev account, there is some light in the form of android-qt project (http://sourceforge.net/p/necessitas/wiki/Home/) Feb 20 17:02:58 gour what are you talking about? Feb 20 17:06:37 hotdp: http://pastebin.com/jJUuDZXd Feb 20 17:08:02 gour that is hyper lame Feb 20 17:08:08 why not YOUR country? Feb 20 17:08:12 it sounds crappy Feb 20 17:08:16 * gour nods Feb 20 17:08:32 that's dumb Feb 20 17:08:34 so, i'm going to android & qt... Feb 20 17:08:37 sorry gour Feb 20 17:09:00 it's not your fault...the folks here and in 'internals was quite helpful and nice Feb 20 17:10:35 i still don't udnerstand Feb 20 17:10:41 thought all countrys where welcome Feb 20 17:10:44 i am from Denmark Feb 20 17:11:23 advertising is one thing, reality is the other one :-) Feb 20 17:11:38 meh Feb 20 17:11:45 once i master photobucket i will sharefrom my pre Feb 20 17:14:04 hotdp remember i told you somebody flashed webos2 from that new doctor .. this is what she wrote http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k563/josefcbailey/photos-temp-0jpg.jpg Feb 20 17:14:19 0_o Feb 20 17:15:28 yes Feb 20 17:15:30 and then? Feb 20 17:15:46 thats it .. so im wondering if it is safe since there is a doctor out there Feb 20 17:16:06 ahh Feb 20 17:18:11 it might be safe, maybe you can doctor it back Feb 20 17:18:20 but why would you? if its laggy Feb 20 17:18:50 maybe that chick didn't know what she was doing Feb 20 17:18:51 lol Feb 20 17:19:08 Have you not heard why they did not wonna release it? Feb 20 17:19:36 i heard it was GPL or something Feb 20 17:22:17 looks like lots of people are testing with bad results Feb 20 17:22:58 it performs bad Feb 20 17:23:13 and old hardware Feb 20 17:23:18 probably cause it was on o2 version Feb 20 17:23:22 no ? Feb 20 17:23:26 yes Feb 20 17:23:39 so its not fo us then Feb 20 17:23:42 it requires more power Feb 20 17:23:46 s/fo/for Feb 20 17:23:49 yea overclock it Feb 20 17:27:09 buy a pre 2 Feb 20 17:27:42 no money i just got this pre + with promise of webos2 =P Feb 20 17:37:00 i keep dropping my pre Feb 20 17:37:02 wow Feb 20 18:26:21 Josef_B: one of the problems with these people reviewing leaked beta versions is that they're beta versions Feb 20 18:26:23 omg people are really putting 2.0 on Pre -? Feb 20 18:26:27 that's stupid Feb 20 18:26:39 inorit Feb 20 18:27:13 they should all be mocked mercilessly until they're ashamed enough to leave the Internet forever Feb 20 18:27:16 idiots Feb 20 18:27:34 Josef_B: before judging anything someone needs to try 2.0.1 or whatever the next 2.x version is from a stable release doctor., ie using metadoctor Feb 20 18:28:05 and I'd say overclocking to ~1ghz would be Feb 20 18:28:09 useful too Feb 20 18:28:58 question .. at a certin angel i can see my pres internal stuff Feb 20 18:29:00 like lines Feb 20 18:29:11 looks like x's with light Feb 20 18:29:51 my eventual plan is to get that high capacity battery that's the same size as the original, OC to 800ish, and look at voltage tinkering Feb 20 18:29:55 Josef_B: yeah I've noticed that grid on the touchscreen also. perhaps how the capacitance is read for touch? not really sure though Feb 20 18:30:04 yea its wierd Feb 20 18:39:24 so, people can post screenshots of Enyo apps, but they can't say they have Enyo...seems odd Feb 20 18:43:11 hehe Feb 20 18:43:18 sugardave very Feb 20 18:45:49 hey guys, just wondering, would palm ban my device if i were to use the unofficial 2.0 doctor? Feb 20 18:46:03 doubt it Feb 20 18:46:23 just don't talk about it cause its NDA Feb 20 18:46:31 lol k Feb 20 18:46:45 gour: if someone you know has an address in one of the supported countries, I would just register from there Feb 20 18:47:14 im just tempted to try it as links are popping up everywhere for the unofficial doctor. but i dont wanna get in trouble as webos 1.4.5 is good enough Feb 20 18:48:48 dumbledore: one point to consider. HP / Palm could identify you if you do use one of the infringing doctors. I don't know if they are, but they certainly could Feb 20 18:54:04 you may not get in trouble, but realize it's somewhat of a diode with the palm profile Feb 20 18:56:04 destinal: well, that's half of the job...i wonder what kind (if any) support will hp offer in regard to sale of devices, carriers etc....for now i'lll trty with qt-android which has just launched with official site Feb 20 18:56:57 gour: fair enough, it just seems a shame that HP is driving away interested potential developers. Feb 20 18:58:04 we desperately need more good developers and the applications they could bring into the ecosystem and making it hard to do as a developer is just the wrong way to get there Feb 20 18:58:41 same thing with the 2.0 NDA, that should have been gone months ago Feb 20 18:59:25 Leo needs to get on the ball Feb 20 19:01:14 we still don't have a public SDK for webos 2.0 which was released on shipping hardware (pre2) mid-November Feb 20 19:01:23 it's ridiculous Feb 20 19:01:29 indeed Feb 20 19:02:11 hay guys Feb 20 19:02:12 lol Feb 20 19:02:21 hay Josef_B Feb 20 19:02:33 nothing .. i know what your gonna say when you come in Feb 20 19:02:34 :D Feb 20 19:02:51 what's the best way to make a dashboard notification to play/stop music? Feb 20 19:03:28 why does it have to be a dashboard, why not just a stop button in the app? Feb 20 19:03:51 because, being in a dashboard they can control it from other apps Feb 20 19:04:38 I think sugardave knows what app it'll be used in ;) Feb 20 19:05:23 anybody hear back from devmarketing@palm.com ? Feb 20 19:05:29 ye[ Feb 20 19:05:31 yep Feb 20 19:05:37 you did? Feb 20 19:05:57 or you know the app :p Feb 20 19:06:12 yes Feb 20 19:06:26 ok Feb 20 19:11:34 * PatrickC_Pre WANTS DOCTORS :( Feb 20 19:11:41 lol Feb 20 19:11:51 man this pre is yuck when your hands are oily Feb 20 19:11:54 don't u? Feb 20 19:11:58 that they are Feb 20 19:12:19 the O2 pre+'s are suppose to get 2.0 Feb 20 19:12:37 http://m.precentral.net/o2-palm-pre-plus-get-webos-2-x-update-computer Feb 20 19:13:13 bbl, lunch time Feb 20 19:14:43 man Feb 20 19:14:47 my wife said my pre looks cheap Feb 20 19:14:49 im like how Feb 20 19:14:51 just look at it Feb 20 19:14:59 its sitting there looking beatuiful .. Feb 20 19:16:28 does anyone know the best way to clean the slider mechanism? Feb 20 19:18:28 lol Feb 20 20:14:40 destinal: i agree...HP should understand they desperately need more devs to attract people to webOS if they're not prepared to throw millions of bucks for ad hoping to sell their not-so-inovative devices Feb 20 20:15:10 how was the general reception for the new devices? Feb 20 20:16:45 or they can invest in tools to easy cross-development Feb 20 20:17:33 then they get some android/ios devs to try out webos dev! Feb 20 20:18:46 the devices look pretty solid, it's just weird how in advance they announced them Feb 20 20:19:20 its not like 3 months, it is like a lot of months Feb 20 20:20:16 best time to advertise is big shows Feb 20 20:20:16 ie Feb 20 20:20:19 American idol Feb 20 20:20:19 moraes: yep..otoh, they look good indeed, but nothing revolutionary, so it won't be easy to convert people from iOS/Android Feb 20 20:20:31 i see most ATt commericals on american idol Feb 20 20:20:35 hay Feb 20 20:20:39 yo PatrickC_Pre Feb 20 20:20:46 oil, you arround? Feb 20 20:20:50 hay Josef_B Feb 20 20:21:15 or any wIRC/PreWare dev? Feb 20 20:22:34 it got quiet Feb 20 20:24:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUkj5xFIRkA lol Feb 20 20:25:06 * PatrickC_Pre is looking for open source hosting sites Feb 20 20:25:16 github Feb 20 20:25:32 can't figure it out :p Feb 20 20:25:38 try harder Feb 20 20:25:40 readsomethings Feb 20 20:25:56 google code, bitbucket, gitorious Feb 20 20:25:59 it's not that difficult Feb 20 20:26:03 you get git installed Feb 20 20:26:13 you read the man pages/manual Feb 20 20:26:22 you follow the directions Feb 20 20:26:30 tried that, didn't work Feb 20 20:26:37 obviously you did it wrong Feb 20 20:26:45 yo can install a gui client too. newbie way. Feb 20 20:26:49 because it works for thousands of people Feb 20 20:27:06 well, I'm also impatient :) Feb 20 20:27:14 that's shortsighted and ignorant Feb 20 20:27:22 just buy the software in a box then. Feb 20 20:27:46 I'm looking for something hat I don't have to configure, like dropbox, but for code Feb 20 20:27:58 PatrickC_Pre, look for a gui client Feb 20 20:28:07 ok Feb 20 20:28:09 tortoisehg + bitbucket Feb 20 20:28:30 bitbucket.org for mercutial hosting (free), tortoise is a free client Feb 20 20:28:36 *mercurial Feb 20 20:28:50 is there any trick with GIMP to create commandMenu icons similar to the ones created by Palm? Feb 20 20:28:53 i said this one because i don't know git clients Feb 20 20:29:05 what about sourceforge? Feb 20 20:29:20 sourceforge is so crappy these days Feb 20 20:29:28 I'm looking at sourceforge Feb 20 20:29:35 I'll take a look at bitbucket Feb 20 20:29:47 it breaks from time to time, it is a mess Feb 20 20:29:54 sf used to be solid Feb 20 20:30:12 these days i prefer google code/bitbucket/github Feb 20 20:30:13 I'll take a look at bitbucket now Feb 20 20:31:19 can I use the repositories for PreWare? Feb 20 20:31:29 why not Feb 20 20:31:47 bitbucket allows you to have private repos for free too Feb 20 20:32:04 I saw that, and liked that ;) Feb 20 20:32:10 they only charge if you'll have more users sharing same repo. more for companies. Feb 20 20:32:21 yeah pretty awesome Feb 20 20:32:42 they were bought by atlassian and did that Feb 20 20:32:56 I don't need more then 5 users anyway Feb 20 20:32:58 before you were limited to 1 private repo Feb 20 20:33:17 you have 4 other people working on the streaming religious radio app? Feb 20 20:33:19 but being able to have a private repo is sill nice Feb 20 20:33:30 no I don't sugardave :) Feb 20 20:33:32 that's....insane Feb 20 20:33:41 only me, and the people helping me (like you ) Feb 20 20:33:41 yeah sometimes you have stuff you want to store but don't go public yet Feb 20 20:34:02 or ever public Feb 20 20:34:25 yep Feb 20 20:36:13 I like the way bitbucket looks/and what they offer Feb 20 20:39:30 how do I make a random message appear in an app? (like wIRC or Preware does) Feb 20 20:40:25 google: javascript random Feb 20 20:40:54 ok. didn't think of that :p Feb 20 20:45:26 it's Math.random( ) isn't it? Feb 20 20:45:45 that's a good start Feb 20 20:46:44 I like bitbucket Feb 20 20:46:49 i like beer Feb 20 20:48:50 i like grilled squirrels Feb 20 20:49:13 lol Feb 20 20:49:21 well, I gots to go Feb 20 20:49:30 cya later everyone :) Feb 20 20:49:59 and thanks for pointing me to bit bucket! looks awesome! Feb 20 21:41:34 anyone good with linux Feb 20 21:41:53 define Feb 20 21:41:56 "good" Feb 20 21:41:59 i need an explanation of this code Feb 20 21:42:00 define linux? Feb 20 21:42:06 http://paste.mango12.com/178 Feb 20 21:42:13 first line writes a 1mb buffer zeroes 100 times to a file to end up with 100mb file Feb 20 21:42:19 it takes 13 sec Feb 20 21:42:24 second copies that file to another file and takes 1 sec Feb 20 21:42:30 why so fast Feb 20 21:42:37 I'm not good like that Feb 20 21:42:44 oh :P Feb 20 21:43:50 just because the 100times is much slower than the real copying? Feb 20 21:44:22 the overhad for the 100 times dd seems to be quite high Feb 20 21:44:35 cause in the second one you just have to create a new directory entry pointing to the same inodes for the data. no data is actually copied anywhere. Feb 20 21:44:47 really Feb 20 21:44:48 ? Feb 20 21:44:58 yep, google "copy on write" Feb 20 21:45:07 they don't copy the data? if I not going to alter it? Feb 20 21:45:08 ooh right Feb 20 21:45:31 weel, cool Feb 20 21:45:54 I'm off now, good night Feb 20 22:01:56 oil: here's a lumberjack request... Would it be possible to get "wildcard" log tracking? Feb 20 22:02:15 Something like, I can track the logs for any app with com.ruddersquish regardless of what the rest of it is? Feb 20 22:02:31 cant you already? Feb 20 22:02:48 if you can, I haven't figured out what the wildcard to use is Feb 20 22:03:09 have you tried not using one? Feb 20 22:03:19 choose custom in the list Feb 20 22:03:24 * SineOt is totally NOT testing that right now. Totally not. Feb 20 22:03:28 and just type com.ruddersquish Feb 20 22:04:18 so it does :I Feb 20 22:04:48 hahahahaha Feb 20 22:08:25 yeah Feb 20 22:08:30 i had to add it to debug ipkgservice Feb 20 22:08:33 since its not in the list Feb 20 22:17:47 anyone with a Pre2, are all the terminal apps currently not working? I understand that this is true with the file managers Feb 20 22:22:56 i just had an expierence with a pre2 not too long ago Feb 20 22:23:07 i wish we could see the same performance in the pre1 Feb 20 22:23:21 smooth menu scrolling and so on Feb 20 22:30:09 I saw a demo video of the pre OC'd vs the pre 2. pre running at 1.05ghz is remarkably smooth Feb 20 22:30:37 im sure you'll still have the memory limit that makes that speed less enjoyable, but for general ui speed apparently it works wonders while quartering your battery life :) Feb 20 22:30:38 yeah, the OC kernels do a lot Feb 20 22:31:02 that's what compcache is for :] Feb 20 22:31:17 ha ha, haven't thought about cmpcache since the og droid :) Feb 20 22:32:49 when you're on a memory constrained device like the Pre- or Pixi-/+ it really makes things nice :] Feb 20 22:32:56 I haven't seen a TMC error in months Feb 20 22:33:10 whaat! the pixi plus didn't get the memory upgrade? Feb 20 22:34:25 the span of time between the Pixi and Pixi+ getting released was like, two months :p Feb 20 22:34:32 The only difference is the + has Wifi. Feb 20 22:34:39 wow Feb 20 22:34:40 sad Feb 20 22:42:07 gonna try out win7 starter on my mini9, as soon as the usb stick is done being created Feb 20 22:42:21 why starter? Feb 20 22:42:28 low overhead Feb 20 22:42:36 ah Feb 20 22:43:16 buddy has it on his ee, found it very odd to know that you cant change the wallpaper in starter (except by 3rd party tools) Feb 20 22:43:41 is that really a feature you remove to try and get people to upgrade to the basic? Feb 20 22:44:02 yeah, apparently Feb 20 22:44:10 Starter is really pretty hokey all things considered Feb 20 22:45:03 i would love to see overclocking for the pre in 2.0 Feb 20 22:45:09 i just need a windows (post Win9x)enviroment that doesnt hang every few minutes Feb 20 22:45:21 get a virtual pc dawm_ Feb 20 22:45:40 um why? i have my desktop thats a real-life pc Feb 20 22:45:47 Yeah uh, that's a terrible idea dumbledore Feb 20 22:45:57 and my thinkpad Feb 20 22:45:58 the Atom series is awful at running any kind of virtualization Feb 20 22:46:03 and if i wanted to bootcamp my macbook.. Feb 20 22:46:13 oh i didnt know what kind of computer he had :P Feb 20 22:46:17 lol Feb 20 22:46:51 atom is a fail imo Feb 20 22:46:53 the thinkpad duals winxp and ubuntu (but i havent used it in like a year so i know its gonna need a serious update) Feb 20 22:47:07 I ran Win7 Pro on my Wind for a while, but it's not that bad in terms of overhead or anything Feb 20 22:47:12 even though it's "pro" Feb 20 22:47:21 7 has way better battery life Feb 20 22:47:36 3 hours with windows 7, 1 hr and 45 mins on xp Feb 20 22:48:19 * SineOt gets like 4.5 hours out of his Wind U100 with OSX on it :p Feb 20 22:48:33 dawm_: when you were running OSX on it, how did you do the install? Feb 20 22:48:47 how old is your pc SineOt Feb 20 22:50:51 my Wind U100 is like, 2, 3 years old? Feb 20 22:51:04 It's like a first gen 10 inch netbook Feb 20 22:51:29 lol Feb 20 22:51:33 nice Feb 20 22:52:50 has a factory overclock button that kicks the Atom from 1.6 to 1.93ghz Feb 20 22:53:17 lolwut Feb 20 22:53:26 factory overclock? never heardof those Feb 20 22:53:30 yup Feb 20 22:53:41 fn-f10 has a little like, flaming battery icon on it Feb 20 22:53:57 awesome Feb 20 22:54:09 it's supposed to let you switch between normal (1.6), eco (800) and overclock (1.9) Feb 20 22:54:13 dosent that require a reboot? Feb 20 22:54:16 nupe Feb 20 22:54:29 wow. i thought it would fuck up something. Feb 20 22:54:43 who knows Feb 20 22:54:47 increasing voltage while system is on... Feb 20 22:54:58 I know that MSI never repeated that in any of their other netbooks Feb 20 22:55:06 it just switches the FSB Feb 20 22:55:10 lol maybe some side effect Feb 20 22:55:12 yeah i was guessing Feb 20 22:55:20 no other way they can manage to pull that off Feb 20 22:56:16 is there any way i can forcefully install 1.4.5 patches in 2.0? Feb 20 22:57:55 dumbledore: uh, webos 2.0 is a _lot_ different, you're not likely to achieve much of anything generally.. Feb 20 22:58:42 dumbledore: you could browse the repository, download the patch and manually apply it at the command line with the patch command, but I wouldn't advise it Feb 20 22:59:03 that would at least spit out where the problems were, wouldn't it destinal? Feb 20 22:59:57 yeah im browsing around Feb 20 23:00:12 theres absolutely nothing good here Feb 20 23:00:16