**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 25 02:59:57 2011
Feb 25 03:23:55 <cwayne> woo ubuntu :)
Feb 25 03:29:02 <graywolf336> Hope someone can help me.. It's probably a simple question. I'm trying to develop an application for myself that plays an internet radio. I've got the url to play, but I need a way to pause it. Can someone give me some hints or links on how to pause it?
Feb 25 03:32:10 <Jake_M> uhmmm
Feb 25 03:32:31 <Jake_M> you may be able to look at the code for an open source music player(tibfib's koto player) or look at lost.fm, which is the last.fm client and it has pausing
Feb 25 03:32:51 <graywolf336> is lost.fm an open source one?
Feb 25 03:33:13 <Tibfib> graywolf336: make the audio obj... then do audioObj.pause()
Feb 25 03:33:23 <Tibfib> well.. not sure how it would work with a live stream
Feb 25 03:34:21 <Jake_M> last.fm does it
Feb 25 03:34:25 <Jake_M> lost
Feb 25 03:34:38 <graywolf336> Ok.. Will have to take a look at it
Feb 25 03:34:41 <graywolf336> Thanks
Feb 25 03:34:59 <dkirker> Somebody please shoot me... I almost said "webOS 3.0 on the iPad"...
Feb 25 03:35:12 <Jake_M> thats actually unforgivable
Feb 25 03:35:28 <sugardave> HTML5 audio objects will pause just fine on streams
Feb 25 03:36:08 <graywolf336> sugardave: How would one go about doing that?
Feb 25 03:36:19 <sugardave> just like Tibfib said
Feb 25 03:36:35 <haeffb> rwhitby: do I need to have activated the Pre- before swapping comms boards?
Feb 25 03:36:47 <Tibfib> graywolf336: get the audio obj.. and do audioObj.pause() .....
Feb 25 03:37:10 <sugardave> graywolf336: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1741#using_html_5_audio_objects
Feb 25 03:37:28 <graywolf336> Was fixing to look up that...
Feb 25 03:37:35 <graywolf336> Thanks for the link
Feb 25 03:47:39 <rwhitby> haeffb: yeah, you should activate the Pre- first, so you know it works and connects to the carrier
Feb 25 03:48:27 <rwhitby> djwhitey: the videos from screwdestiny are done on Ubuntu
Feb 25 03:48:48 * djwhitey stands corrected
Feb 25 03:49:20 <djwhitey> actually i knew that... she even said so
Feb 25 03:49:36 <brofkand> If I erase the USB drive on my pre, will it erase the entire USB drive, or will it save the stuff that HPalm pre-loaded like ringtones, etc?
Feb 25 03:50:02 <SineOt> preloaded ringtones stay, everything else goes
Feb 25 03:50:21 <brofkand> Thanks
Feb 25 03:50:37 <SineOt> it's basically a "restore to factory settings"
Feb 25 03:51:40 <brofkand> I lose all my apps too?
Feb 25 03:51:45 <brofkand> or just what's on the USB drive?
Feb 25 03:52:05 <SineOt> you'd have to reinstall them after logging back in to your Palm profile
Feb 25 03:52:09 <SineOt> but yes, those go too
Feb 25 03:53:01 * sugardave wonders if SineOt has made that github project yet.
Feb 25 03:53:11 <brofkand> I just did it and my apps are still there, as are the preloaded stuff (ringtones, open source pdf).
Feb 25 03:53:14 * SineOt has been... out! on a secret mission
Feb 25 03:53:24 <SineOt> brofkand: did you log back into your same palm profile?
Feb 25 03:53:32 <sugardave> you've been writing that review for PatrickC, right?
Feb 25 03:53:47 <brofkand> No, Songbird screwed up my music syncing so I just wanted to wipe all that out while saving everything else
Feb 25 03:53:59 <brofkand> I did Erase USB Drive and it did exactly what I wanted it to do
Feb 25 03:54:07 <SineOt> sugardave: yeah, and school, and uh :I
Feb 25 03:54:08 <SineOt> "stuff"
Feb 25 03:56:46 <bmidgley_> so a pre2 in the US can be updated to 2.1 somehow?
Feb 25 03:57:06 <SineOt> no, but the Pre2 will get a legit 2.1 update at some point
Feb 25 03:57:18 * Tibfib is surprised it's not already out
Feb 25 03:57:21 <brofkand> I have a pre 2 and it has webOS 2.0.1
Feb 25 03:57:51 <bmidgley_> yes I got an OTA update to 2.0.1 back when I had an att sim
Feb 25 03:58:15 <bmidgley_> hopefully it doesn't have to be OTA since I have no data plan
Feb 25 03:58:26 <brofkand> I just got mine today and it had 2.0 installed, OTA update to 2.0.1
Feb 25 03:58:35 <brofkand> I don't see why it wouldn't do wifi
Feb 25 03:58:48 <SineOt> or just wait for the doctor release
Feb 25 04:01:46 <brofkand> do you have a sim in it now bmidgley?
Feb 25 04:06:39 <sugardave> my AT&T sim is expired on my 2, but I still have it in there
Feb 25 04:07:17 <brofkand> does it function without a SIM?
Feb 25 04:07:28 <sugardave> I don't know, I just leave it in there
Feb 25 04:07:34 <geeksquadkid> lol
Feb 25 04:08:02 <brofkand> ah ok :)
Feb 25 04:08:09 <brofkand> I know I couldn't activate mine without a SIM
Feb 25 04:08:24 <sugardave> yeah, that's why I got that one in the first place, just for activation
Feb 25 04:08:59 <brofkand> I returned my iPhone 4 for this phone
Feb 25 04:09:04 <brofkand> I love being back to webOS
Feb 25 04:09:13 <sugardave> it's nice
Feb 25 04:09:38 <Jake_M> you know a few people around here are like i hate my palm pixi or whatever
Feb 25 04:09:39 <brofkand> I had an original Pre. I loved it.
Feb 25 04:09:50 <Jake_M> then they tell me about how they threw it against the wall when they're boyfriend/girlfriend made them mad
Feb 25 04:09:53 <Jake_M> i'm like yeah..it's gonna break
Feb 25 04:10:00 <sugardave> I never used a Pixi
Feb 25 04:10:06 <brofkand> Android and iOS in my opinion can't begin to offer what webOS can.
Feb 25 04:10:09 <Jake_M> their*.
Feb 25 04:10:11 <sugardave> I have my Pre -, a Pre + and a 2
Feb 25 04:10:11 <SineOt> a Pixi is my main device :9
Feb 25 04:10:30 <Jake_M> idk. i just like webOS. I don't need an android phone that has probably more utility stuff, but eh
Feb 25 04:10:43 <Jake_M> the only thing right now is that webOS has nothing that i can be legitimately productive with
Feb 25 04:10:58 <brofkand> I don't like there is a dearth of good photography apps
Feb 25 04:11:02 <Jake_M> like i can't edit an essay for school on the go( i can but i can't you know?)
Feb 25 04:11:10 <brofkand> though I'm not sure if that is an SDK limitation or an OS limitation
Feb 25 04:11:19 <Jake_M> i think it goes with 1.4.5 having so many limited APIs available
Feb 25 04:11:47 <brofkand> I hope we'll see more once 2.0 gets here in totality
Feb 25 04:12:03 <Jake_M> assuming these new devices will be out
Feb 25 04:12:11 <Jake_M> i almost feel like webOS 3.0 will be out by the time we get them
Feb 25 04:12:29 <sugardave> on the TouchPad for sure :)
Feb 25 04:12:35 <brofkand> I honestly doesn't understand why they did that. Why announce something 6 months before we can buy it?
Feb 25 04:13:03 <geeksquadkid> Jake-M: naw man 5.0. and it's amazing
Feb 25 04:13:10 <Jake_M> really?
Feb 25 04:13:14 <geeksquadkid> does your laundry and everything
Feb 25 04:13:14 <sugardave> hahaha
Feb 25 04:13:15 <Jake_M> got those new quad core phones
Feb 25 04:13:28 <geeksquadkid> naw
Feb 25 04:13:34 <geeksquadkid> hexacore
Feb 25 04:13:35 <oil> quad cores on a phone, lols
Feb 25 04:14:08 <sugardave> even numbers are so blah....pentacore
Feb 25 04:14:08 <oil> "well its super fast, but it has to be, because you only get 10 mins till the batt dies"
Feb 25 04:14:12 <brofkand> we'll need to see much improved battery technology before we see quad core phones
Feb 25 04:14:15 <sugardave> haha
Feb 25 04:14:33 <oil> but the atrix's dock is sexy
Feb 25 04:14:35 <oil> i must say
Feb 25 04:14:38 <oil> hp, get on that
Feb 25 04:14:43 <Jake_M> idk oil
Feb 25 04:14:48 <Jake_M> you mean the laptop?
Feb 25 04:14:48 <oil> but dont put the pre in the back all weird like
Feb 25 04:14:51 <oil> yeah
Feb 25 04:14:56 <oil> well, its not really a laptop
Feb 25 04:14:57 <oil> its a dock
Feb 25 04:14:59 <Jake_M> its OKAY. i feel like i'd want the opposite
Feb 25 04:15:00 <Jake_M> right
Feb 25 04:15:04 <brofkand> FOLEO!
Feb 25 04:15:05 <sugardave> no, let's get Touch2Dock
Feb 25 04:15:06 <Jake_M> i'd want a phone that can control my computer
Feb 25 04:15:14 <oil> id want the phone to be my computer
Feb 25 04:15:18 <oil> with always-on internet
Feb 25 04:15:19 <Jake_M> well actually
Feb 25 04:15:22 <oil> that i take with me frmo place to place
Feb 25 04:15:27 <Jake_M> i like that the Touchpad can text/call
Feb 25 04:15:30 <Jake_M> to your phone
Feb 25 04:15:32 <oil> and fits in a pocket
Feb 25 04:15:38 <oil> and plugs into things to get larger interfaces
Feb 25 04:16:00 <geeksquadkid> the phone. is. the computer. trippy
Feb 25 04:16:17 <Jake_M> what do you think the biggest limitation of webOS is?
Feb 25 04:16:21 <Jake_M> general everyone survey
Feb 25 04:16:24 <oil> Jake_M: yeah, and if they bring that to pc it will be awesome
Feb 25 04:16:28 <dumbledore> rwhitby: you here?
Feb 25 04:16:34 <oil> to respond to texts and whatnot from pc through phone
Feb 25 04:16:44 <dumbledore> I was wondering if I could make a better write up for the 2.1 install
Feb 25 04:16:55 <Jake_M> oil, i agree. i think i could like definitely live in a webOS world in like 3 years
Feb 25 04:17:05 <djwhitey> dumbledore: can you improve the existing wiki page?
Feb 25 04:17:20 <dumbledore> i'll make a mockup first, but yeah sure
Feb 25 04:17:28 <geeksquadkid> http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade?wasRedirected=true
Feb 25 04:17:36 <dumbledore> better than having users jump to meta doctor page then back to 2.0 page
Feb 25 04:18:59 <rwhitby> dumbledore: please do not duplicate information. organise and structure it, but don't duplicate it.
Feb 25 04:19:36 <rwhitby> e.g. if information is on one wiki page already, please don't *copy* it onto another page (or even worse, another document as an attachment on a completely different thread)
Feb 25 04:19:53 <rwhitby> somehow the "web" part of WWW has been forgotten in the last 10 years.
Feb 25 04:20:06 <dumbledore> ok, i'll still need to duplicate the code tho such as "./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0"
Feb 25 04:20:08 <dumbledore> :P
Feb 25 04:20:44 <rwhitby> dumbledore: a great thing to do would be to structure the existing wiki page to cover all the different device/carrier combinations, and have explicit instructions for each.
Feb 25 04:20:55 <rwhitby> that is not duplication of information, that is specialisation of information
Feb 25 04:21:04 <djwhitey> with a TOC at the top!
Feb 25 04:21:09 <rwhitby> right
Feb 25 04:21:19 <dumbledore> ok :)
Feb 25 04:21:45 <dumbledore> i'll be doing the write up later on tonight. longer nights = shorter days :D
Feb 25 04:22:43 * dumbledore is away: rebooting into windows 7
Feb 25 04:46:07 <dumbledore> is it me, or does webos 2.0 now support more bluetooth profiles?
Feb 25 04:46:59 <dumbledore> never remember seeing AVRCP, OPP, SPP, HID
Feb 25 04:48:04 <fbnts> Hi, is there an easy way to export the contacts out of WebOS 2.1?  I have the /var/db directory on my desktop but can't find an easy way to parse the objects.db file
Feb 25 05:15:30 <dumbledore> it would be epic if we were able to use the camera as the background
Feb 25 05:20:31 <PatrickC_Pre> what's up?
Feb 25 05:21:14 <djwhitey> testing wIRC i see
Feb 25 05:21:34 <PatrickC_Pre> testing? lol
Feb 25 05:22:04 <djwhitey> errr using*
Feb 25 05:22:31 <djwhitey> i used it for the first time today
Feb 25 05:22:45 <PatrickC_Pre> wIRC is awesome
Feb 25 05:23:20 <Umren> better then irssi?
Feb 25 05:23:57 <PatrickC_Pre> never used irssi
Feb 25 05:24:12 <Umren> better then weechat? xD
Feb 25 05:24:42 <djwhitey_pre> :)
Feb 25 05:24:48 <PatrickC_Pre> never used weechat
Feb 25 05:30:22 <lamawithonel_> has anybody tested 2.0 or 2.1 with http://dromaeo.com/ ???
Feb 25 05:30:45 <lamawithonel_> the "all tests" page won't finish on my pre-
Feb 25 05:34:06 <ajw> not seeing the enyo stuff out there yet, coming soon?
Feb 25 05:34:17 <dkirker> still NDA
Feb 25 05:34:22 <PatrickC_Pre> NDA
Feb 25 05:36:17 <ajw> hmm saw the video from the 22nd saying it would be "today" (the 22nd) wasnt sure if I had missed something
Feb 25 05:39:05 <PatrickC_Pre> so... how's everyone doing today?
Feb 25 05:39:14 <joebpre> fine
Feb 25 05:40:04 <PatrickC_Pre> good
Feb 25 05:40:08 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 25 05:40:21 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm trying to get this app working!
Feb 25 05:49:11 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone have a good way to do a simple preferences screen?
Feb 25 05:49:17 <PatrickC_Pre> I just need one toggle button
Feb 25 05:50:42 <PatrickC_Pre> cause, I'm at http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie but it doesn't really make any since to me...
Feb 25 06:04:21 <PatrickC_Pre> I keep getting the error "Cannot call method 'bindAsEventListener' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined"
Feb 25 06:04:35 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm trying to make a button push a scene
Feb 25 07:07:12 <dohtem> http://www.videointerchange.com/video-history.htm -- whoa, this is awesome!
Feb 25 07:07:25 <Umren> virus?
Feb 25 07:08:28 <Umren> well anyway it won't work on me
Feb 25 07:08:33 <Umren> im goin in
Feb 25 07:18:55 <swisstomcat> morning
Feb 25 07:22:29 <hotdp> morning swisstomcat
Feb 25 07:23:48 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Feb 25 07:23:51 <dohtem> hello swisstomcat
Feb 25 07:24:26 <swisstomcat> hi dohtem
Feb 25 07:24:30 <swisstomcat> too late
Feb 25 07:26:04 <brajesh> hi everyone. I want to use a TTS engine like Flite in my app. I have downloaded the source. But i am not able to understand how to install it and how to use its C api ? Can anyone guide me. Any good reference would be useful.
Feb 25 07:27:09 <swisstomcat> hmm
Feb 25 07:27:39 <swisstomcat> are you planning a pure PDK app (with SDL and stuff) or a hybrid app, where  you use a C-based plugin in your SDK app?
Feb 25 07:28:20 <hotdp> after the last launch alot wonna convert there app to webos
Feb 25 07:30:12 <brajesh> swisstomcat, till now i was planning a pure PDK app, will iahve to use a hybrid app for that?
Feb 25 07:31:00 <swisstomcat> you have the choice
Feb 25 07:31:06 <swisstomcat> depends on your app i think
Feb 25 07:31:28 <swisstomcat> with a hybrid app, you can have the gui in html/css/js and parts as a plugin
Feb 25 07:32:06 <brajesh> Can you guide me from the PDK point of view if possible. Because i havent used hybrid yet?
Feb 25 07:34:13 <brajesh> Actually with the distribution of Flite there are a lot of folder/files. I am not able to understand how will it get installed for palm. It provide a C Api but the installation and implementation part i am not able to get.
Feb 25 07:34:45 <swisstomcat> i have no experience with the PDK, sorry
Feb 25 07:35:03 <swisstomcat> have you checked the pdk forum at developer.palm.com?
Feb 25 07:45:52 <brajesh> swisstomcat,  sorry for late rep. pc hanged. ya i have asked there. but they are not able to guide me in the installation part of Flite.
Feb 25 07:47:27 <swisstomcat> do you have a link to the discussion on the forum?
Feb 25 07:49:52 <hotdp> swisstomcat: your last tweet with tennis link?
Feb 25 07:49:55 <hotdp> i dont get it?
Feb 25 07:50:36 <brajesh> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=11510
Feb 25 07:51:15 <swisstomcat> hotdp? which one?
Feb 25 07:51:38 <hotdp> "RT @JayCanuck: Given so many people are updating to 2.1 on legacy devices, I need to once again point out this http://tinyurl.com/45dyhy .
Feb 25 07:52:07 <swisstomcat> hmm :/
Feb 25 07:52:24 <hotdp> I dont get it?
Feb 25 07:53:19 <swisstomcat> http://tinyurl.com/45dyhyr
Feb 25 07:53:47 <swisstomcat> where does this point to .. it should to the precentral forums
Feb 25 07:53:51 <hotdp> haha
Feb 25 07:53:56 <hotdp> no room for that r
Feb 25 07:55:35 <swisstomcat> damn
Feb 25 07:56:36 <brajesh> swisstomcat, any help ? regarding the compilation part? or if you can guide . where should i ask this problem?
Feb 25 07:56:50 <swisstomcat> "Looking at the flite distribution, you should just be able to compile its source directly with your application instead of making it a separate library file."
Feb 25 07:56:55 <swisstomcat> that's the answer from palm
Feb 25 08:01:23 <brajesh> how to compile it. that is what i am not able to understand. When we download the source. it has a lot of subfolder and every folder has a lot of C/header files in it. How to compile such things? Sorry i am new in these things
Feb 25 08:02:08 <swisstomcat> have you looked at the PDK? it needs a cross-compiler for your program
Feb 25 08:02:14 <swisstomcat> i guess you'll use the same
Feb 25 08:02:53 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1989&Itemid=331
Feb 25 08:05:03 <brajesh> I want to ask if we have a lot of source files, in the differnt subfolder . we compile them all ? using a script or sumthing?
Feb 25 08:06:59 <swisstomcat> probably the makefile?
Feb 25 08:07:13 <swisstomcat> like i said, i have no PDK experience
Feb 25 08:08:00 <brajesh> ok thanks
Feb 25 12:17:37 <swisstomcat> rehi
Feb 25 13:50:49 <Draecos> lo
Feb 25 13:51:30 <swisstomcat> hi
Feb 25 13:51:40 <swisstomcat> draecos: did you talk to chuq?
Feb 25 13:52:13 <Draecos> yes
Feb 25 13:52:20 <Draecos> didnt seem too receptive
Feb 25 13:52:25 <Draecos> bit annoying
Feb 25 13:52:25 <hotdp> swisstomcat: where you here last night?
Feb 25 13:52:32 <swisstomcat> was it? no
Feb 25 13:52:36 <swisstomcat> was i? no
Feb 25 13:52:42 <hotdp> ok
Feb 25 13:52:47 <swisstomcat> why?
Feb 25 13:52:47 <hotdp> there where alot of heat
Feb 25 13:52:57 <swisstomcat> was there? about what?
Feb 25 13:53:00 <hotdp> you can see the log
Feb 25 13:53:05 <hotdp> about some meetup
Feb 25 13:53:17 <hotdp> and a guy who have control of 3 meetgroups
Feb 25 13:53:25 <hotdp> and demands stuff from adora
Feb 25 13:53:40 <hotdp> that did pis her of
Feb 25 13:53:45 <hotdp> and alot of good stuf
Feb 25 13:53:45 <swisstomcat> hmm :(
Feb 25 13:53:50 <hotdp> you can see the log
Feb 25 13:53:55 <swisstomcat> where is it?
Feb 25 13:54:00 <hotdp> 21xx if i rember
Feb 25 13:54:03 <swisstomcat> there will be stuff in europe soon
Feb 25 13:54:10 <swisstomcat> just wait
Feb 25 13:54:14 <swisstomcat> i can't tell more at the moment
Feb 25 13:54:17 <hotdp> eh?
Feb 25 13:54:20 <hotdp> problems?
Feb 25 13:54:27 <swisstomcat> no, not problems
Feb 25 13:54:29 <swisstomcat> good stuff
Feb 25 14:09:15 <swisstomcat> can't see the log, where is it?
Feb 25 14:09:29 <hotdp> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/
Feb 25 14:09:39 <swisstomcat> thx
Feb 25 14:09:40 <hotdp> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20110225.txt
Feb 25 14:10:49 <hotdp> Feb 24 21:33:18
Feb 25 14:11:07 <hotdp> start there
Feb 25 14:15:52 <KGF2009> Morning, all.
Feb 25 14:17:28 <swisstomcat> hotdp: strange stuff
Feb 25 14:19:54 <hotdp> sad
Feb 25 14:20:02 <swisstomcat> draecos: it will get better for europe, i promise
Feb 25 14:20:02 <hotdp> a man who overtakes 3 groups :S
Feb 25 14:20:16 <hotdp> and demands stuff
Feb 25 14:20:18 <hotdp> idiot
Feb 25 14:21:19 <swisstomcat> yeah, strange stuff
Feb 25 14:26:07 <Umren> is new hp devices gonna be first released in us only or worldwide?
Feb 25 14:26:32 <swisstomcat> current markets first as i heard
Feb 25 14:26:37 <swisstomcat> that means us and europe
Feb 25 14:26:38 <hotdp> me2
Feb 25 14:26:54 <swisstomcat> but maybe the touchpad wifi will be worldwide from the start?
Feb 25 14:27:57 <Umren> europe.. u sure bout that?
Feb 25 14:28:20 <swisstomcat> not sure because nothing has been officially announced
Feb 25 14:29:44 <Umren> and main question - is angry birds free like on android???
Feb 25 14:29:45 <Umren> ))
Feb 25 14:33:03 <hotdp> no
Feb 25 14:33:08 <Umren> damn
Feb 25 14:33:30 <hotdp> i belive, if you have money for a phone
Feb 25 14:33:37 <swisstomcat> well, there's angry birds free
Feb 25 14:33:41 <hotdp> you have few $ for a game
Feb 25 14:33:41 <swisstomcat> to try it out
Feb 25 14:33:42 <Umren> that's just a nice bonus
Feb 25 14:33:56 <swisstomcat> the android version is free but has ads
Feb 25 14:33:59 <swisstomcat> i rather pay
Feb 25 14:34:03 <hotdp> me2
Feb 25 15:04:29 <haeffb_pre> hotdp!!! \o/
Feb 25 15:06:53 <swisstomcat> haeffb
Feb 25 15:07:47 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat!!! \o/
Feb 25 15:09:14 <swisstomcat> what's new?
Feb 25 15:14:54 <haeffb_pre> my pre keeps dong donging on touchstone
Feb 25 15:15:05 <haeffb_pre> kind of annoying
Feb 25 15:15:37 <swisstomcat> yeah,i used to have that too until i replaced the touchstone
Feb 25 15:15:41 * haeffb_pre hopes to create  Sprint Pre 2 this weekend
Feb 25 15:16:13 <haeffb_pre> this one was fine until I replaced the back on my phone...
Feb 25 15:19:06 <haeffb_pre> oops
Feb 25 15:20:06 <haeffb_pre> accidentally  dialed voicemail while playing with the TS charging contacts
Feb 25 15:21:18 <swisstomcat> so you can't have voice and data at the same time?
Feb 25 15:21:25 <swisstomcat> what year is this?
Feb 25 15:35:04 <funkatron> JFC, people just love to talk shit, don't they?
Feb 25 15:37:09 <haeffb_pre> CDMA
Feb 25 15:37:51 <haeffb_pre> it'd be ok if I was connected to wifi at work...but work firewall blocks irc
Feb 25 15:38:10 <haeffb_pre> funkatron: I sure do!
Feb 25 15:42:35 <swisstomcat> yo funkatron
Feb 25 15:42:39 <funkatron> hello
Feb 25 15:42:58 <swisstomcat> did you all catch germboy's first blog post to the developer portal?
Feb 25 15:43:15 <funkatron> nope
Feb 25 15:43:31 * haeffb_pre is adding calendarview to Done for date selection...
Feb 25 15:43:46 <swisstomcat> yay!
Feb 25 15:43:48 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=58112#p58112
Feb 25 15:43:54 <swisstomcat> palmtomcat=swisstomcat :)
Feb 25 15:56:34 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: set up an ssh tunnel for IRC, problem solved
Feb 25 16:01:33 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: I should use my alchemy arts to turn lead into gold as well. wait, I don't know how to do that either
Feb 25 16:04:30 <swisstomcat> :D
Feb 25 16:04:39 <sugardave> :P
Feb 25 16:05:02 <sugardave> first you need to have a place you can log into via ssh
Feb 25 16:05:03 <swisstomcat> thinking about expanding my mojo apps with webos 2.0 features: just type, exhibition, ...
Feb 25 16:05:18 <sugardave> and then you do some magic, hang on
Feb 25 16:05:28 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Feb 25 16:06:09 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat
Feb 25 16:06:16 <MetaView> just got my Pre2 from Palm
Feb 25 16:06:20 <swisstomcat> nice!
Feb 25 16:06:22 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: I already did the just type thing. or I would have if there were a public SDK
Feb 25 16:06:29 <MetaView> and frantid got one too, that's very generous from Palm, thx
Feb 25 16:06:30 <haeffb_pre> sweet!
Feb 25 16:06:42 <swisstomcat> great to hear
Feb 25 16:07:02 <swisstomcat> developer relations and support in europe is starting to get taken serious
Feb 25 16:07:10 <swisstomcat> glad to see that
Feb 25 16:07:34 <swisstomcat> haeffb: twitter.com/graynorton
Feb 25 16:07:41 <swisstomcat> there's hope
Feb 25 16:07:44 <swisstomcat> also for 2.1 on the pre2
Feb 25 16:08:19 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: ssh -L 6667:irc.freenode.net:9999 [login@host.running.ssh]
Feb 25 16:08:40 <sugardave> and then you use your chat client to connect to localhost port 9999
Feb 25 16:09:10 <sugardave> er, assuming you ssh'd to localhost
Feb 25 16:10:09 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: saw that
Feb 25 16:11:24 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: in the environment I work in...probably best to not circumvent. but thanks for the incantations
Feb 25 16:13:10 <sugardave> the more you know...
Feb 25 16:17:18 <swisstomcat> bbl
Feb 25 16:25:12 <sugardave> stacks on the tablet don't fan?
Feb 25 16:25:46 <sugardave> oh wait, that's not a stack
Feb 25 16:29:51 <sugardave> ooo, I want that flying game
Feb 25 16:34:26 <haeffb_pre> wth you talking about?
Feb 25 16:35:22 <Workenhaven> he forgot to take his medicine today
Feb 25 16:40:06 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: I was looking at a video of the touchpad that HP tweeted some hours ago
Feb 25 16:43:25 <haeffb_pre> from fallon?
Feb 25 16:45:06 <sugardave> no, some device show...hang on
Feb 25 16:45:31 <sugardave> http://bit.ly/edb72x
Feb 25 16:52:06 <MetaView> where is this 2.0.1 update for Pre2?
Feb 25 16:53:26 <sugardave> MetaView: I got mine after I activated it
Feb 25 16:53:41 <sugardave> ota
Feb 25 16:54:08 <MetaView> ok
Feb 25 16:54:15 <MetaView> thought it was a doctor too
Feb 25 16:54:25 <sugardave> hmm
Feb 25 16:54:29 <sugardave> maybe, but I don't know
Feb 25 16:54:52 <MetaView> ok, startingthe activation
Feb 25 16:56:47 <Hendikins> MetaView: There is a doctor for that as well, yes.
Feb 25 16:57:26 <Hendikins> But if you can OTA, half your luck.
Feb 25 16:57:38 <MetaView> now, I do the activation, then I will look for OTA
Feb 25 17:00:04 * haeffb_pre wants this touchpad
Feb 25 17:00:21 <sugardave> yes
Feb 25 17:00:59 <Hendikins> HP has given Australia the single digit salute where that is concerned, but we're used to that.
Feb 25 17:01:37 <sugardave> still?
Feb 25 17:01:39 <sugardave> wtf?
Feb 25 17:02:02 <Hendikins> Yep.
Feb 25 17:02:28 <sugardave> HP doesn't already sell computers there or something?
Feb 25 17:02:52 <Hendikins> They sell computers here, but they won't sell WebOS.
Feb 25 17:03:12 <sugardave> it boggles the mind
Feb 25 17:03:27 <Hendikins> Pre, Veer, Touchpad, still not destined for Australia.
Feb 25 17:03:38 <MetaView> oh, my profile works on the Pre2, cool
Feb 25 17:03:56 <MetaView> it refuses to work on the EA-release and on 2.1
Feb 25 17:08:16 <Hendikins> When I put 2.1.0 on my Pre Plus I did my profile conversion on my Pre 2 first.
Feb 25 18:08:58 <thomaschaaf> Is there a way to filter out all the $L() and automatically generate the file? I am on windows.. I guess I could write a python script but maybe someone has solved that issue
Feb 25 18:22:41 <joetweeply> i dunno why but the word FrankenPre makes me chuckle every time
Feb 25 19:32:53 <ajay> hey folks!
Feb 25 19:34:25 <HattCzech_work> hello
Feb 25 19:36:30 <ajay> SineOt: I got an email from Jennifer too! :) (cant chat long tho/btw)
Feb 25 19:36:58 <joetweeply> who's jennifer?
Feb 25 19:37:06 <SineOt> ajay: is she being way lax and revealing just how bad Meetup's support policies are? :D
Feb 25 19:37:32 <SineOt> the TOS states you can run 3 accounts before having to pay higher rates, but apparently they let you run two accounts! :U
Feb 25 19:38:37 <ajay> any verizon 2.1.0 folks here? if so please join me for a sec on #webos-internals
Feb 25 19:40:52 <SineOt> Adora, ajay: meetup says they'll look into it, since I pointed out 3 ToS violations but apparently only two of them are actually violatable :T
Feb 25 19:40:53 <ajay> SineOt: heh.. at first she was ok with how the mod treated me, but she did ask to see his email.. do you want to see it too btw?
Feb 25 19:41:06 <SineOt> ajay: sure
Feb 25 19:41:27 <ajay> unless adora emailled us all i don't have your email
Feb 25 19:41:46 <SineOt> SemanticSeed answered my tweet, and it's pretty obvious that he's not going to give it up if he has a choice
Feb 25 19:42:58 <ajay> SineOt: ooo! saucy!
Feb 25 19:43:12 <SineOt> Adora: So whatever your secret plan was, I think we may need to fire it up!
Feb 25 19:43:12 <ajay> maybe that wasn't mybest suggestion/plan, now he's onto us :)
Feb 25 19:54:29 <ajay> ttfn
Feb 25 19:54:44 <ajay> SineOt: 'b'ouncing it to you now, before logoff because i don't have time to talk about it now.. :)
Feb 25 19:55:45 <dohtem> Good day super awesome developers!
Feb 25 19:58:48 <torchie> hey you!
Feb 25 19:58:52 <torchie> have a fantastic afternoon1
Feb 25 20:19:18 <sugardave> dohtem: who are you trying to butter up?
Feb 25 20:19:56 <dohtem> dunno.. still loopy from my cold medicine
Feb 25 20:34:14 <joetweeply> make it warm, maybe that will help
Feb 25 20:40:07 <haeffb_pre> joetweeply: good point. I hate taking my medicine cold.
Feb 25 20:40:21 <joetweeply> well there are exceptions
Feb 25 20:40:23 <joetweeply> like beer
Feb 25 20:45:17 <dohtem> The English drink warm beer
Feb 25 20:49:40 <joetweeply> that is something i'll never understand
Feb 25 20:49:49 <joetweeply> the colder the beer the better
Feb 25 20:56:00 <SineOt> there's a point in temperature where it 'confuses' your taste buds and prevents a lot of the flavors from being detected
Feb 25 20:57:24 <joetweeply> yeah when it's frozen
Feb 25 20:58:04 <SineOt> or when it's like 45 :p
Feb 25 20:58:59 * SineOt drinks a few beers at room temperature, they taste better that way... :T
Feb 25 21:01:23 <joetweeply> well.. maybe you never had great beer
Feb 25 21:02:33 <dohtem> Coors! Rocky mountain cold!
Feb 25 21:02:39 <SineOt> lol
Feb 25 21:02:56 <SineOt> pft, I drink some wines at room temperature too!
Feb 25 21:03:06 <dohtem> reds, yes
Feb 25 21:03:10 <SineOt> some are just made to be enjoyed that way
Feb 25 21:03:51 <dohtem> speaking of beers, when the pbr become fancy?
Feb 25 21:04:06 <dohtem> did*
Feb 25 21:04:40 <cwayne1> dohtem: friggen hipsters
Feb 25 21:06:08 <dohtem> In college, pbr was the stuff you got when you were broke.  Last week, I go to some fancy bar and everyone is ordering pbrs by the can.
Feb 25 21:07:02 <RagingMind> if you have to order PBR at the bar, you're too poor (in pocket or taste) to be AT a bar
Feb 25 21:09:07 <joetweeply> what's pbr?
Feb 25 21:10:31 <RagingMind> super cheap beer
Feb 25 21:10:45 <joetweeply> oh like the stuff in our discounter stores
Feb 25 21:10:55 <joetweeply> well here in germany we have a lot of nice beers
Feb 25 21:11:19 <RagingMind> example:  a friend of mine was making his own beer and needed some bottles to put it in.  it was cheaper to get a case of PBR than it was to buy some empty bottles
Feb 25 21:12:44 <SineOt> Pabst Blue Ribbon
Feb 25 21:12:53 <SineOt> it's shitty beer but it's become "ironically" good
Feb 25 21:12:55 <joetweeply> heh... i did that too.. but i bought beer with swing tops
Feb 25 21:13:09 <joetweeply> so bad it is good?
Feb 25 21:16:28 <HattCzech_work> except not good
Feb 25 21:16:37 <HattCzech_work> (haven't had it, but everyone says that)
Feb 25 21:17:10 <RagingMind> I've had it... it tastes like yeasty sour water
Feb 25 21:17:29 <RagingMind> very very bad water
Feb 25 21:17:47 <joetweeply> anybody in here had cologne beer?
Feb 25 21:23:40 <sugardave> they don't make beer in France, do they?
Feb 25 21:30:34 <joetweeply> well i was once in a french restaurants and they did not have any
Feb 25 21:33:41 <RagingMind> I've heard of french recipes calling for beer
Feb 25 21:33:54 <cwayne> they have kronenbourg
Feb 25 21:40:48 <leiru_pre> hi :)
Feb 25 21:50:28 <PatrickC_Pre> helo
Feb 25 21:55:26 <joetweeply> yo PatrickC_Pre any news on the device program?
Feb 25 21:55:38 <dohtem> sugardave: http://www.k1664.com/
Feb 25 21:55:38 <PatrickC_Pre> not much
Feb 25 21:56:39 <PatrickC_Pre> I have not heard back (and it has been 10 days) :/
Feb 25 21:57:23 <cwayne> dohtem: regular kronenbourg is better :)
Feb 25 21:57:34 <dohtem> there's another one?
Feb 25 21:57:48 <dohtem> I have had the 1664 a few times.  I really like it
Feb 25 21:59:18 <sugardave> interesting, never think of frogs drinking beer :P
Feb 25 22:00:27 <joetweeply> yeah same here PatrickC_Pre
Feb 25 22:00:51 <PatrickC_Pre> what apps are you developing?
Feb 25 22:01:24 <halfhalo> moo
Feb 25 22:02:29 <halfhalo> my car got scratched... sadface
Feb 25 22:03:37 <PatrickC_Pre> how halfhalo?
Feb 25 22:04:57 <joetweeply> me? well... currently i make a new todo app
Feb 25 22:05:02 <dohtem> http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/02/25/hp-webos-developers-await-touchpad-pre3-with-questions-optimism/
Feb 25 22:05:09 <joetweeply> i got a shmup pdk app in the final rounds
Feb 25 22:05:35 <PatrickC_Pre> shmup? lol
Feb 25 22:05:38 <dohtem> "These days, there may be no mobile developer as patient as a webOS developer." -- heh
Feb 25 22:05:49 <PatrickC_Pre> lol.. how true
Feb 25 22:08:26 <halfhalo> stupid person in the parking lot came out of nowhere and I instincty cranked the wheel and the backend of my car scraped a wall
Feb 25 22:08:49 <PatrickC_Pre> ooo. sorry..
Feb 25 22:09:45 <halfhalo> yeah.... not cool
Feb 25 22:09:47 <joetweeply> shmup is short for shoot'em'up. it's a game
Feb 25 22:09:54 <PatrickC_Pre> how bad
Feb 25 22:10:06 <PatrickC_Pre> ohh ok joetweeply
Feb 25 22:18:55 <joetweeply> you developing anything PatrickC_Pre?
Feb 25 22:19:08 <PatrickC_Pre> well. a few
Feb 25 22:19:21 <PatrickC_Pre> neither use 2.0 stuff, except one uses Flash
Feb 25 22:19:49 <PatrickC_Pre> and the other plays a radio station
Feb 25 22:19:57 <PatrickC_Pre> I might rebuild with Enyo though..
Feb 25 22:19:59 <PatrickC_Pre> I don't know
Feb 25 22:21:20 <joetweeply> anything in the store yet?
Feb 25 22:21:38 <PatrickC_Pre> I have 5 in the catalog
Feb 25 22:21:41 <PatrickC_Pre> 2 pay-for
Feb 25 22:22:06 <PatrickC_Pre> 1 official, 2 beta
Feb 25 22:22:14 <PatrickC_Pre> *others*
Feb 25 22:22:26 <joetweeply> cool
Feb 25 22:22:34 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Feb 25 22:22:44 <PatrickC_Pre> working on the radio one mainly
Feb 25 22:28:06 <PatrickC_Pre> brb
Feb 25 22:31:48 <ajay_> hey again
Feb 25 22:32:01 <ajay_> oh darn no otters here.. ;^)
Feb 25 22:55:18 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7y6azvuNis&feature=player_embedded#at=13
Feb 25 22:56:07 <Tibfib> yay! finally using my pre3
Feb 25 22:56:10 <Tibfib> pre2***
Feb 25 22:56:11 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 25 22:56:28 <dawm_> For those of you wondering what Beats Audio is (coming in the new HP TouchPad!), check this out.
Feb 25 22:57:19 <dawm_> so the touchpad has beats audio?
Feb 25 22:57:58 <dawm_> http://www.facebook.com/hptouchpad
Feb 25 22:58:02 <Tibfib> yeah it does
Feb 25 22:59:26 <Tibfib> will the speakers sound awesome? or just beats headphones?
Feb 25 23:00:57 <dawm_> well according to that video
Feb 25 23:01:04 <Tibfib> speakers too
Feb 25 23:01:05 <dawm_> it doesnt even mention the beats headphones, altho it shows them
Feb 25 23:01:07 <Tibfib> but it's a touchpad.
Feb 25 23:01:15 <Tibfib> I HOPE it is both
Feb 25 23:01:25 <dawm_> it explains why the beats 'onboard' is different than other sound boards
Feb 25 23:01:27 * Tibfib is so excited for touchpad
Feb 25 23:01:33 <dawm_> 'Audio Island'
Feb 25 23:01:44 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7y6azvuNis
Feb 25 23:11:55 <Kallle> I have problems with a mobile website in my webview... Does anyone know how to disable zooming in a webiste?
Feb 25 23:12:57 <Tibfib> hmm, I don't think there's an easy way
Feb 25 23:13:49 <dawm_> probably with the css
Feb 25 23:13:59 <dawm_> i know some mobile sites fill the screen properly
Feb 25 23:14:04 <dawm_> like amazon and bestbuy
Feb 25 23:14:18 <dawm_> take a peak at their css/html for the mobile
Feb 25 23:15:21 <Kallle> yes... I want to display m.wolramalpha.com in my webview. When it opens, the zoom is correct. But when I click into a textfield, it zooms. I want to disable that
Feb 25 23:15:32 <Tibfib> ah _that_
Feb 25 23:15:49 <Tibfib> you _might_ be able to change that with a patch
Feb 25 23:16:01 <dawm_> but not app specific tho
Feb 25 23:16:35 <dawm_> i guess you can call it 'form field zoom'
Feb 25 23:16:41 <Kallle> the site has nearly the correct meta tag "<meta name="viewport" content="width=320; initial-scale=1.0; user-scalable=no"/>  " that is needed. but "user-scalable=no" is missing...
Feb 25 23:16:59 <Tibfib> Kallle: email them
Feb 25 23:17:09 <Tibfib> ask them to do it.. they might
Feb 25 23:17:09 <sugardave> I think there is a method for enabling/disabling "smart zoom"
Feb 25 23:17:13 <dawm_> or modify it via js
Feb 25 23:17:43 <sugardave> check out the prpoerties of the WebView object and see
Feb 25 23:17:51 <Tibfib> dawm_: if you ajax.request it you can do that.. but if it's webview widget I don't think you can
Feb 25 23:18:04 <dawm_> you should be able to
Feb 25 23:18:07 <dawm_> thru the DOM
Feb 25 23:18:17 <Tibfib> in a webview widget?
Feb 25 23:18:27 <dawm_> yeah
Feb 25 23:18:30 <Tibfib> interesting
Feb 25 23:18:35 <Tibfib> that could work
Feb 25 23:18:36 <dawm_> think of a webview widget as an iframe
Feb 25 23:18:41 <dawm_> its all html/css
Feb 25 23:19:23 <Tibfib> makes sense
Feb 25 23:19:23 <Kallle> do I have to parse the page and put it into a new html object? thats not very good
Feb 25 23:19:29 <dawm_> no
Feb 25 23:19:33 <dawm_> just dig down thru the dom
Feb 25 23:19:52 <Tibfib> yeah find the obj
Feb 25 23:20:01 <Tibfib> using the ares debugger would help
Feb 25 23:22:26 <Kallle> hmm.... I think I'll try that...
Feb 25 23:23:31 <haeffb_> happy weekend, everyone!
Feb 25 23:23:49 <haeffb_> joetweeply: what kind of todo app... Just curious. :)
Feb 25 23:24:01 <sugardave> hoo
Feb 25 23:24:03 <sugardave> ray
Feb 25 23:24:24 <Kallle> thanks for the input guys... I'll try that...
Feb 25 23:25:00 <joetweeply> well it is based on my own scheme... molded in 3 years of development job that needed organisation by myself. it is roughly based on gtd and just is the app version of what i am currently doing on paper
Feb 25 23:25:04 <haeffb_> ray: a shaft of golden sun
Feb 25 23:25:16 <joetweeply> highlight feature: you will have to decide on tasks or dump them... no clutter
Feb 25 23:25:17 <dawm_> Tibfib, you could also just use hostmode and chrome and view source/inspect
Feb 25 23:25:36 <Tibfib> ah good point
Feb 25 23:25:39 <haeffb_> have you seen the "Manage your Workday" book (or something like that)?
Feb 25 23:25:58 * haeffb_ is a big fan of gtd. 
Feb 25 23:26:09 <Tibfib> I already LOVE using chrome as a app tester rather than the emulator.. just saying
Feb 25 23:26:09 <haeffb_> not a good practitioner, just a fan...
Feb 25 23:27:01 <dawm_> me too
Feb 25 23:27:02 <haeffb_> http://www.amazon.com/Master-Your-Workday-Now-Strategies/dp/097493044X
Feb 25 23:27:06 <Kallle> chrome to test apps? how do you do that?
Feb 25 23:27:20 <haeffb_> write web apps
Feb 25 23:27:27 <Tibfib> yeah
Feb 25 23:27:34 <Tibfib> WAY better
Feb 25 23:27:39 <Tibfib> so easy to debug
Feb 25 23:27:40 <haeffb_> maybw with a javascript framework
Feb 25 23:27:42 <haeffb_> maybe
Feb 25 23:27:51 <haeffb_> maybe that works on mobile devices
Feb 25 23:30:11 * Tibfib is scared to sign out of his pre- profile to sign in on pre2
Feb 25 23:30:20 <joetweeply> not seen it haeffb_
Feb 25 23:31:01 <Tibfib> "Erase Apps & Data" logs out of your profile right?
Feb 25 23:31:07 <dawm_> ...
Feb 25 23:31:54 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L57JKHpzAo
Feb 25 23:31:57 <dawm_> love that one
Feb 25 23:35:36 <ajay_> see ya folks!
Feb 25 23:38:40 <Tibfib> dangit. first use should let you use wifi when signing into your profile
Feb 25 23:39:04 <sugardave> make a meta-doctor and it will allow it
Feb 25 23:39:14 <Tibfib> if I cared enough. I would
Feb 25 23:40:19 <haeffb_> joetweeply: it espouses a simliar concept - you always add new items to the top of your list and limit the list length. Stuff that gets pushe off must not have been very important.
Feb 25 23:40:53 <haeffb_> Tibfib: your Pre 2 on a network?
Feb 25 23:40:57 <Tibfib> dangit. I need to bypass activation on my pre- tho
Feb 25 23:41:03 <Tibfib> haeffb_: yep! at&t now
Feb 25 23:41:23 <Tibfib> paying $20 more a month tho (arg)
Feb 25 23:41:52 <Tibfib> if sprint gets the pre3, I'll go back
Feb 25 23:42:00 <haeffb_> meh. I just got my letter from Sprint today, congratulating me on qualifying for "Premier Silver" status
Feb 25 23:42:09 <Tibfib> oh yeah. maybe not
Feb 25 23:42:14 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm booting ubuntu!
Feb 25 23:42:18 <PatrickC_Pre> what's the benefit?
Feb 25 23:42:41 <haeffb_> yay! Thanks for taking away stuff and trying to blow sunshine to make it sound like an improvement.
Feb 25 23:43:13 <PatrickC_Pre> what haeffb_ ? lol
Feb 25 23:43:15 <haeffb_> PatrickC_Pre: the "benefit" is that I've gone from "Premier" to "Premier Silver" which is a lower level of status
Feb 25 23:43:25 <PatrickC_Pre> ahh lol
Feb 25 23:43:28 <haeffb_> as opposed to "Premier Gold"
Feb 25 23:43:34 <haeffb_> which is what "Premier" used to be.
Feb 25 23:43:39 <PatrickC_Pre> I ment what's the benefit of going Ubuntu?
Feb 25 23:43:43 * haeffb_ only has 7 years with Sprint.
Feb 25 23:43:49 <PatrickC_Pre> wow
Feb 25 23:43:55 <PatrickC_Pre> we only have 1 :p
Feb 25 23:44:00 <haeffb_> not the 10 required for "Gold"
Feb 25 23:44:19 <haeffb_> ubuntu as opposed to...what?
Feb 25 23:44:51 <haeffb_> WindowsME? Ubuntu is probably better.
Feb 25 23:45:06 <Tibfib> oh goodness. so many apps to restore
Feb 25 23:45:15 <haeffb_> tgfw
Feb 25 23:45:25 <PatrickC_Pre> ubuntu as opposed to 7 and XP Pro
Feb 25 23:45:38 <Tibfib> why does it want to restore Polar Bowling. I haven't had that on my device for at least a year
Feb 25 23:45:48 <haeffb_> all purchased apps?
Feb 25 23:45:53 <haeffb_> or downloaded?
Feb 25 23:45:56 <sugardave> I'm not sure if you're going to be ready to handle an OS like Ubuntu
Feb 25 23:45:59 <Tibfib> that was a free app
Feb 25 23:45:59 <sugardave> just sayin'
Feb 25 23:46:07 <PatrickC_Pre> it always wants to restore Polar Bowling
Feb 25 23:46:18 <PatrickC_Pre> lol sugardave, I'm installing in a VBox :)
Feb 25 23:46:22 <haeffb_> sugardave: ubuntu or kubuntu ?
Feb 25 23:46:33 <sugardave> any/all
Feb 25 23:46:35 <haeffb_> i've downloaded both
Feb 25 23:46:42 * Tibfib has ubuntu
Feb 25 23:46:49 <haeffb_> nah, I mean is one preferred?
Feb 25 23:46:56 <sugardave> isn't kubuntu just KDE instead of Gnome?
Feb 25 23:47:00 <haeffb_> yep
Feb 25 23:47:11 <sugardave> I suck with X, so I have Gnome
Feb 25 23:47:21 <haeffb_> what's the diff?
Feb 25 23:47:25 <sugardave> but I think it doesn't matter...you can run KDE apps in Gnome desktop
Feb 25 23:47:35 <sugardave> the window manager and its APIs are different, I think
Feb 25 23:47:43 <haeffb_> ah.
Feb 25 23:47:56 <PatrickC_Pre> what's the best guide to installing Ubuntu in a VBox?
Feb 25 23:48:06 <Tibfib> google!
Feb 25 23:48:12 <Tibfib> no clue on a specific one
Feb 25 23:48:15 <haeffb_> google is the best guide for everything
Feb 25 23:48:20 <PatrickC_Pre> I tried...
Feb 25 23:48:22 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: it does not matter if it's in a VB, I still think you're going to have issues
Feb 25 23:48:35 <PatrickC_Pre> why sugardave?
Feb 25 23:48:46 <sugardave> well, let's examine the evidence
Feb 25 23:48:55 <sugardave> you consistently fail to follow directions
Feb 25 23:48:59 <sugardave> you don't like to read
Feb 25 23:49:02 <sugardave> and you claim impatience
Feb 25 23:49:08 <Tibfib> reading is for suxors
Feb 25 23:49:08 <sugardave> that's 3 strikes already
Feb 25 23:49:34 <PatrickC_Pre> I like to read what interests me, like stuff for apps
Feb 25 23:49:50 <PatrickC_Pre> and I try to follow instructions.. sometimes I miss stuff though
Feb 25 23:50:14 <sugardave> regardless, installing in VB...you just pretend it's an actual machine, your ISO is the CD and you just boot it
Feb 25 23:50:19 <sugardave> follow the on-screen instructions
Feb 25 23:50:19 <sugardave> done
Feb 25 23:50:26 <Tibfib> vbox is fairly safe
Feb 25 23:50:46 * haeffb_ was planning to use wubi
Feb 25 23:50:50 <haeffb_> and dual boot
Feb 25 23:51:00 <sugardave> that sounds like a toddler blanket :P
Feb 25 23:51:03 <Tibfib> haeffb_: I have wubi.. super simple
Feb 25 23:51:28 <haeffb_> sugardave: I'd hate to repartition my laptop and have to reinstall everything.
Feb 25 23:51:31 <Tibfib> I was a little nervous, but it worked perfectly on my lappy
Feb 25 23:51:50 <sugardave> haeffb_: why changing?
Feb 25 23:52:02 <haeffb_> need linuxy to Pre2 my Pre-
Feb 25 23:52:09 <sugardave> ah
Feb 25 23:52:12 <sugardave> no cygwin?
Feb 25 23:52:12 <Tibfib> nice
Feb 25 23:52:20 <haeffb_> s/need/seems to be preferred/
Feb 25 23:52:20 <sugardave> cygwin won't work, I mean?
Feb 25 23:52:26 <haeffb_> cygwin will work
Feb 25 23:53:34 <dawm_> http://ps3.ign.com/articles/115/1152175p1.html
Feb 25 23:53:36 <dawm_> oh my
Feb 25 23:53:43 <dawm_> naughty wii game
Feb 25 23:53:51 <sugardave> yeah, I saw that last night
Feb 25 23:53:58 <sugardave> too bad it will never see shelves here :s
Feb 25 23:54:16 <dawm_> thats what the internet is for
Feb 25 23:54:33 <sugardave> I wonder if it will be region locked
Feb 25 23:54:55 <PatrickC_Pre> should I email my dev relations rep about he Pre2 dev device?
Feb 25 23:55:02 <dawm_> no
Feb 25 23:55:23 <dawm_> er modchip/jailbreak
Feb 25 23:55:29 <sugardave> blargh
Feb 25 23:55:43 <PatrickC_Pre> was the no to me dawm_?
Feb 25 23:55:57 <dawm_> my bulletstorm arrives tomorrow.. too bad i have to work
Feb 25 23:56:02 <RagingMind> dawm_, that site tried to eat my computer
Feb 25 23:56:02 <dawm_> no to dave
Feb 25 23:56:11 <dawm_> ign?
Feb 25 23:56:26 <RagingMind> yeah
Feb 25 23:56:39 <RagingMind> it went om nom on my cpu
Feb 25 23:56:42 <haeffb_> sugardave: just reading the wosi wiki and #webos-internals, it seems that doing it in linux is more straightforward than VB or cygwin
Feb 25 23:56:53 <haeffb_> as if installing a whole new OS is straigtforward
Feb 25 23:57:10 <haeffb_> but I've also been meaning to try some linux someday anyhow.
Feb 25 23:58:46 <haeffb_> it got kinda quiet in here. Everybody watching mii's having sex?
Feb 25 23:58:58 <rwhitby> ?
Feb 25 23:59:45 <haeffb_> dawm's link above
Feb 25 23:59:59 <dawm_> haeffb_, try out a liveCD
Feb 26 00:00:10 <dawm_> it runs a bit slower but doesnt ruin your system/files
Feb 26 00:00:26 <dawm_> basically lets you try it out without any risks
Feb 26 00:00:58 <sugardave> yeah, that's a good idea
Feb 26 00:01:02 <dawm_> i remember when i was playing with slackware (sooooo long ago) i ruined my system many times ;p
Feb 26 00:01:09 <sugardave> I know there's an Ubuntu livecd
Feb 26 00:01:25 <dawm_> almost every distro has a livecd nowadays
Feb 26 00:01:35 <dawm_> is cdrom.com still around?
Feb 26 00:01:59 <sugardave> if only there were some way to ind out...
Feb 26 00:02:00 <sugardave> :P
Feb 26 00:02:08 <dawm_> i meant in its original form
Feb 26 00:02:13 <dawm_> its not the same one im talking about
Feb 26 00:02:15 <dawm_> heh
Feb 26 00:02:16 <sugardave> looks like it's dead
Feb 26 00:02:20 <sugardave> :D
Feb 26 00:02:24 <RagingMind> the ubuntu install cd is a live cd
Feb 26 00:02:28 <dawm_> cdrom.com used to be a massive mirror of like everything
Feb 26 00:02:33 <RagingMind> unless you download the advanced version
Feb 26 00:02:41 <dawm_> and you could buy the stuff on cd if you didnt have the time/bandwidth
Feb 26 00:02:53 <dawm_> this was around when 28.8k modems were the fast
Feb 26 00:02:55 <sugardave> ah right
Feb 26 00:03:05 <sugardave> the bronze age
Feb 26 00:03:12 <haeffb_> yeah ubuntu cd has a "try ubuntu" and "install ubuntu" options
Feb 26 00:03:27 <haeffb_> this stuff looks easy enough that I might be able to pull it off
Feb 26 00:03:28 <dawm_> you can even make a liveUSB
Feb 26 00:03:37 <haeffb_> yep
Feb 26 00:04:06 <dawm_> ive got ubuntu on my thinkpad
Feb 26 00:04:19 * haeffb_ will install on a thinkpad
Feb 26 00:04:21 <dawm_> but i havent used that in so long it wont even boot ubuntu or xp
Feb 26 00:04:30 <haeffb_> going to a dinner thing. bbl
Feb 26 00:04:43 <RagingMind> I miss my thinkpad :(
Feb 26 00:04:55 <dawm_> someone tell sineOt that win7 runs great on my mini9, no more hanging like xp did
Feb 26 00:06:58 <haeffb_> win7 has been absolutely rock solid
Feb 26 00:08:02 <PatrickC_Pre> win7 rocks!
Feb 26 00:10:48 <dohtem> did you guys install SP1 yet?
Feb 26 00:13:12 <PatrickC_Pre> SP1?
Feb 26 00:13:13 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 26 00:13:18 <PatrickC_Pre> like for XP?
Feb 26 00:16:15 <torchie> just make sure you don't touch starter
Feb 26 00:16:28 <dawm_> starter aint so bad
Feb 26 00:16:49 <torchie> can't change wallpaper
Feb 26 00:16:51 <dawm_> aside with forced unchangable wallpaper (which is changable :P)
Feb 26 00:16:57 <torchie> the ipad can change wallpaper
Feb 26 00:17:15 <dawm_> i changed my wallpaper (w/ 3rd party tool)
Feb 26 00:17:17 <torchie> oh sure you can just patch it up but
Feb 26 00:17:31 <torchie> it's like fighting the government to put flamingos on your lawn
Feb 26 00:17:35 <dawm_> heh
Feb 26 00:18:54 <torchie> speaking of that i think im gonna go change my wallpaper
Feb 26 00:22:08 <PatrickC_Pre> brb gotta luna soon
Feb 26 00:23:06 * rwhitby bbl
Feb 26 00:27:12 <torchie> I can't get over the smooth
Feb 26 00:38:56 <Tibfib> dang. pre2 is going slow.. I don't blame it though. restoring 50+ apps sucks
Feb 26 00:41:56 <Tibfib> now to organize all these apps :O
Feb 26 01:04:51 <sugardave> hmm, I think I'm going to have to stop following ozetadev and connorlacombe
Feb 26 01:04:54 <sugardave> too spammy
Feb 26 01:05:22 <Tibfib> OH NOES. "@sugardave Hey did you accidentally press the unfollow button?"
Feb 26 01:05:30 <sugardave> hahaha
Feb 26 01:06:49 <torchie> what tey do
Feb 26 01:08:42 <sugardave> torchie: spam about Justin Bieber, general teenage asshattery...I'm too old :P
Feb 26 01:09:35 * Tibfib starts tweeting about jbiebz
Feb 26 01:09:35 <torchie> :o
Feb 26 01:09:43 <torchie> hey im a teenage asshat
Feb 26 01:09:46 <dkirker> haha, I know what you mean... sugardave
Feb 26 01:10:32 <Tibfib> heh. kinda why I don't go out of my way to tell peeps my age. (true) stereotypes
Feb 26 01:13:06 <sugardave> nah, the occasionaly tweet-off is cool, I guess, but I'm having to scroll through a lot more than I want to
Feb 26 01:14:01 <sugardave> and it's fine if you're a teenage asshat, too...I was, for sure :D
Feb 26 01:14:38 <Tibfib> bbl
Feb 26 01:40:49 <PatrickC_Pre> hello
Feb 26 01:42:17 <PatrickC_Pre> decided to not go ubuntu yet
Feb 26 01:54:51 <PatrickC_Pre> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 26 01:55:02 <PatrickC_Pre> my touchscreen stopped working!!!!!!!!!
Feb 26 02:03:54 <funkatron> hey nerds
Feb 26 02:04:10 <PatrickC_Pre> hay nerdet
Feb 26 02:04:13 <PatrickC_Pre> :)
Feb 26 02:04:29 <rwhitby> hey funkatron
Feb 26 02:04:31 <funkatron> I am so pumped that @doctorlinguist gonna be doing webOS stuff
Feb 26 02:04:34 <funkatron> hey hey
Feb 26 02:04:44 <Doc_Lee> Who?
Feb 26 02:05:04 <funkatron> Cameron Kaiser / doctorlinguist on Twitter
Feb 26 02:05:11 <funkatron> he's a friend and a really awesome dev
Feb 26 02:05:19 <PatrickC_Pre> the Pixi takes forever to boot.... :/
Feb 26 02:06:55 <funkatron> hey, if you skip first run activation on device, how can you re-run it to get on the appcat and stuff?
Feb 26 02:07:04 <funkatron> that is, to set up a profile et al
Feb 26 02:08:21 <PatrickC_Pre> Gesture Tutorial
Feb 26 02:08:31 <funkatron> PatrickC_Pre: that will rerun the setup?
Feb 26 02:08:55 <PatrickC_Pre> Gesture tutorial is First Use
Feb 26 02:09:07 <PatrickC_Pre> and MY TOUCHSCREEN IS BROKE!!!!!!!!! :'(
Feb 26 02:09:41 <funkatron> OH SHIT
Feb 26 02:09:45 <funkatron> I had that happen
Feb 26 02:09:51 <funkatron> chinese food, bbl
Feb 26 02:10:19 <Doc_Lee> Only took 3 months to integrate this ad SDK into this Qt app...
Feb 26 02:11:36 <Doc_Lee> Which is one reason I hate Qt.
Feb 26 02:11:58 <PatrickC_Pre> I still don't understand Qt
Feb 26 02:12:19 <Doc_Lee> It's not a good mobile platform
Feb 26 02:12:54 <PatrickC_Pre> what does it do?
Feb 26 02:13:26 <Doc_Lee> It's a programming language.
Feb 26 02:13:28 <Doc_Lee> C++ based
Feb 26 02:14:02 <Doc_Lee> Used on Nokia phones currently
Feb 26 02:14:06 <PatrickC_Pre> well, I barley know JS and HTML (just ask sugardave) lol
Feb 26 02:14:16 <SineOt> barley made me laugh
Feb 26 02:14:18 <Doc_Lee> I knew nothing when I first started
Feb 26 02:14:33 <PatrickC_Pre> whatever sine lol
Feb 26 02:14:53 <Doc_Lee> Which was about 2 months before the Palm came out
Feb 26 02:15:01 <PatrickC_Pre> well, I have been a dev for like 5-6 months and still know nothing
Feb 26 02:15:53 <bpadalino> i'm not sure that counts as a developer .. maybe an enthusiast?
Feb 26 02:16:03 <Doc_Lee> Took about 5-6 months to know enough to write my first app
Feb 26 02:16:48 <Doc_Lee> bpadalino, What do you consider a developer then?
Feb 26 02:17:24 <bpadalino> Doc_Lee: someone who has put together even a test application, even if it's just for their own purposes, but can understand what they did and how to accomplish a goal on the target system
Feb 26 02:17:35 <bpadalino> programmatically
Feb 26 02:18:11 <Doc_Lee> Does Hello World count?
Feb 26 02:18:15 <bpadalino> you can use ares to do it .. or anything else to help you - but until you've done that, i see it more as being enthusiastic about a platform and not really being a developer
Feb 26 02:18:16 <bpadalino> sure
Feb 26 02:18:42 <bpadalino> you packaged it up, sent it over, installed it, etc, etc .. hello world counts
Feb 26 02:18:59 <Doc_Lee> Excellent!  I'm a developer then!
Feb 26 02:19:03 <bpadalino> congrats
Feb 26 02:19:26 <bpadalino> i'm an enthusiast still .. :)
Feb 26 02:19:29 <Doc_Lee> I bet my Hello World app gets 400,000 downloads and makes me tons of money!
Feb 26 02:20:44 <bpadalino> i'd wager against that :(
Feb 26 02:20:55 <Doc_Lee> And, as they say, first you get the money, then you get the power.
Feb 26 02:21:10 <bpadalino> power is overrated
Feb 26 02:21:19 <rwhitby> then you get the boats
Feb 26 02:21:35 <Doc_Lee> bpadalino, Ok.  Maybe not Hello World...but I bet another app this enthusiast/developer makes does.
Feb 26 02:21:51 <bpadalino> Doc_Lee: excellent - i wish you the best of luck
Feb 26 02:21:57 <Doc_Lee> :-P
Feb 26 02:22:05 <bpadalino> :)
Feb 26 02:23:21 <Doc_Lee> I guess I just have an issue with the whole enthusiast/developer thing.
Feb 26 02:23:36 <Doc_Lee> I'm an enthusist
Feb 26 02:24:10 <Doc_Lee> enthusiast too...  I'm apparently an awful typist.
Feb 26 02:24:20 <bpadalino> you can be both
Feb 26 02:24:41 <Doc_Lee> But, I think the best apps come from us folks who don't know a whole lot about programming.
Feb 26 02:24:50 <bpadalino> that's fine too
Feb 26 02:25:04 <bpadalino> knowing semantics and syntax doesn't mean you create an awesome app
Feb 26 02:25:23 <bpadalino> but not knowing anything doesn't create an app either - and i don't think is considered development for the platform
Feb 26 02:25:53 <Doc_Lee> As I said, when I started, I didn't know anything.
Feb 26 02:25:57 <bpadalino> like i said - i know a lot about webos, i like it .. i think it's great .. i haven't written an app with Mojo or Enyo or anything really - so i don't consider myself an active developer
Feb 26 02:26:15 <rwhitby> I still don't know anything about mojo programming.  I just copy oil's code.
Feb 26 02:26:50 <Doc_Lee> It's kind of hard to know something about the code when it's essentially knew code
Feb 26 02:26:51 <Doc_Lee> new
Feb 26 02:26:58 <bpadalino> rwhitby is the biggest scammer of them all! he once told me about this nigerian thing he was into before this webos thing rolled around
Feb 26 02:27:02 <bpadalino> :P
Feb 26 02:27:29 <rwhitby> yeah, I just sit back, do nothing, and watch the downloads roll in.
Feb 26 02:27:39 <Doc_Lee> But, as long as the tools, then it works out in the end
Feb 26 02:27:52 <Doc_Lee> Lost a word...
Feb 26 02:27:57 <bpadalino> thousands .. maybe even hundreds!
Feb 26 02:27:57 <Doc_Lee> As long as the tools are there
Feb 26 02:28:42 <PatrickC_Pre> on the phone with sprint
Feb 26 02:28:56 <Doc_Lee> And you end up with an app like RadioTime/TuneIn Radio
Feb 26 02:29:57 <bpadalino> just having patience to work through it and ambition to see it get done is 99% of the battle
Feb 26 02:30:04 <bpadalino> the other 1% is copying oil's code
Feb 26 02:30:27 <PatrickC_Pre> 1% for me it is 99% copying code, and 1% my own :p
Feb 26 02:30:37 <Doc_Lee> PatrickC_Pre, Take your phone, take the USB cable, plug it in to the phone (not the computer), and push in and down
Feb 26 02:30:52 * oil thought rwhitby wrote webos quick install
Feb 26 02:30:53 <PatrickC_Pre> for recovery mode?
Feb 26 02:31:06 <Doc_Lee> No.  To get your touch screen to work
Feb 26 02:31:12 <PatrickC_Pre> didn't jason write webosqi
Feb 26 02:31:23 <oil> xD
Feb 26 02:31:40 <PatrickC_Pre> Doc_Lee didn't work
Feb 26 02:31:56 <Doc_Lee> PatrickC_Pre, Try harder.  Takes a few tries.  Got to kind of wiggle it around
Feb 26 02:32:03 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 02:32:44 <PatrickC_Pre> still not working :/
Feb 26 02:32:59 <Doc_Lee> Ok.  Send it in for repair then
Feb 26 02:33:19 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm on the phone with sprint, if they would ever take me of hold
Feb 26 02:33:38 <Doc_Lee> At least it's not Dell
Feb 26 02:33:58 * sugardave enthusiastically claims he's a developer.
Feb 26 02:34:02 <Doc_Lee> I was on the phone for 1:40 on Wednesday
Feb 26 02:34:16 <Doc_Lee> Got sent to about 6 different countries
Feb 26 02:34:30 <PatrickC_Pre> lol,
Feb 26 02:35:01 <PatrickC_Pre> and..... back on hold
Feb 26 02:35:15 <Doc_Lee> sugardave, Didn't you spend like 3 years on creating your database before writing an actual app?  ;-)
Feb 26 02:35:33 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave is Da bomb!
Feb 26 02:35:56 <sugardave> Doc_Lee: :P
Feb 26 02:36:19 <sugardave> I've managed to update that db library for the next big thing already
Feb 26 02:36:23 <Doc_Lee> He's alright...I mean, I wouldn't want to be stuck on a plane with him or anything.  Granted, by the time I got off the plane, I'd know everything about writing a database from scratch.
Feb 26 02:36:46 <Doc_Lee> Joking, of course.
Feb 26 02:37:05 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 26 02:37:15 <Doc_Lee> What's the next big thing?
Feb 26 02:37:37 <sugardave> that which cannot be named
Feb 26 02:37:54 <sugardave> but I think you know what it is :)
Feb 26 02:38:17 <PatrickC_Pre> sprint didn't even question it
Feb 26 02:38:41 <PatrickC_Pre> "It has been under 30 days since you received that phone here's a claim number"
Feb 26 02:39:15 <PatrickC_Pre> I really wish I had voice dialing on the Pixi... :q
Feb 26 02:39:20 <PatrickC_Pre> *:/z
Feb 26 02:39:25 <PatrickC_Pre> *:/*
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