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Feb 26 03:23:09 <PatrickC_Pre> can I run an app via novaterm?
Feb 26 03:23:24 <dohtem> palm-launch appid
Feb 26 03:23:47 <PatrickC_Pre> can I run stuff in the app via command/novaterm?
Feb 26 03:24:09 <PatrickC_Pre> touchscreen stopped working... and I want to save/restore
Feb 26 03:25:39 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre: palm-launch appid
Feb 26 03:26:07 <PatrickC_Pre> can I run the save part of save/restore via command/novaterm
Feb 26 03:48:50 <PatrickC_Pre> can I emu a device?
Feb 26 03:51:04 <rwhitby> you can luna-send a launch parameter to initiative an autosave
Feb 26 03:51:32 <PatrickC_Pre> where are instructions on how to do that?
Feb 26 03:52:33 <rwhitby> ~utsl
Feb 26 04:09:03 <PatrickC_Pre> can I use luna-send to text someone?
Feb 26 04:15:52 <rwhitby> probably
Feb 26 04:16:05 <rwhitby> just snoopy the bus while you're sending a text normally.
Feb 26 04:16:10 <rwhitby> and replay it
Feb 26 04:21:25 <PatrickC_Pre> my touchscreen doesn't work, so I can't send one normally
Feb 26 04:58:57 <graywolf336> for the life of m I can't figure out how to add a background to a scene
Feb 26 04:59:09 <graywolf336> **me
Feb 26 04:59:53 <graywolf336> can someone point me to an article or web page or something about it? I tried adding it in the css, but it didn't work for some reason
Feb 26 05:04:19 <PatrickC_Pre> well....
Feb 26 05:04:32 <PatrickC_Pre> I unplug my USB cable...
Feb 26 05:04:33 <PatrickC_Pre> and...
Feb 26 05:04:42 <PatrickC_Pre> my screen starts working
Feb 26 05:04:54 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre: I get that on one of my devices too
Feb 26 05:05:13 <PatrickC_Pre> something to get the phone exchanged over?
Feb 26 05:07:16 <PatrickC_Pre> rwhitby, should I get it fixed, or is it just something minor?
Feb 26 05:07:26 <oil> probably a power thing
Feb 26 05:07:29 <oil> shielding or something
Feb 26 05:07:39 <oil> from usb interferring with the touchscreen
Feb 26 05:10:38 <PatrickC_Pre> ok. I'm still gonna see if sprint will order another one, as it might happen again, and its my main phone
Feb 26 05:15:04 <joebpre> yo
Feb 26 05:15:15 <PatrickC_Pre> what's up?
Feb 26 05:17:14 <sugardave> graywolf336: http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Adding_a_custom_background
Feb 26 05:23:59 <graywolf336> sugardave: thanks
Feb 26 05:30:39 <haeffb_> sugardave: makes you feel good, no?
Feb 26 05:31:41 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave's helping someone and not telling them to google O_o
Feb 26 05:35:09 <sugardave> I give out freebies occasionally
Feb 26 05:35:23 <PatrickC_Pre> not to me :p
Feb 26 05:35:28 <sugardave> oh please
Feb 26 05:35:36 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 26 05:35:38 <sugardave> you used your allotment
Feb 26 05:35:52 <PatrickC_Pre> I used it up a *long* time ago :)
Feb 26 05:36:07 <PatrickC_Pre> can we clear those cookies :p
Feb 26 05:42:41 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave: what's a good site for webos cookies and how to tie them to a widget?
Feb 26 05:45:14 <PatrickC_Pre> I cannot get this widget to work :/
Feb 26 05:48:21 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave: I'm already using a cookie for a scene to show up only on the first run, can I use that cookie for the metrix toggle too?
Feb 26 05:50:22 <haeffb_> you can use that cookie or another cookie
Feb 26 05:50:43 <haeffb_> so long as your cookies don't contain more than 4k of data
Feb 26 05:50:47 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, what's the best way to tie my widget to that coodie?
Feb 26 05:51:00 <PatrickC_Pre> s/coodie/cookie
Feb 26 05:51:06 <haeffb_> packing string?
Feb 26 05:51:17 <PatrickC_Pre> well, you know how much I know :p
Feb 26 05:51:19 <haeffb_> why do you want to tie a widget to a cookie?
Feb 26 05:51:23 * PatrickC_Pre goes to google
Feb 26 05:51:30 <PatrickC_Pre> to toggle metrix on/off
Feb 26 05:51:55 <haeffb_> you need a variable for the toggle
Feb 26 05:52:03 <PatrickC_Pre> ?? lol
Feb 26 05:53:26 <haeffb_> the toggle has a model with a value property
Feb 26 05:54:04 <PatrickC_Pre> trueValue: "Yes", falseValue: "No"
Feb 26 05:54:26 <haeffb_> trueValue: true, falseValue: false is a bit simpler
Feb 26 05:54:54 <haeffb_> because 1) those are the default values and 2) true/false are boolean and easier to use later
Feb 26 05:55:05 <PatrickC_Pre> ok then what?
Feb 26 05:55:10 <PatrickC_Pre> webos101?
Feb 26 05:55:27 <haeffb_> you need to save the toggleModel.value property to the cookie
Feb 26 05:55:40 <haeffb_> and read the toggleModel.value property from the cookie
Feb 26 05:56:00 * PatrickC_Pre is trying to figure out how to do that
Feb 26 05:56:18 <haeffb_> how to save/read a cookie?
Feb 26 05:57:01 <PatrickC_Pre> well, I have the cookie set up, and the if(cookieData =='') working
Feb 26 05:57:14 <PatrickC_Pre> but other then that, I don't know much about cookies
Feb 26 05:57:25 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm gonna check out webos101 for a second
Feb 26 05:58:02 <PatrickC_Pre> and I'm also trying to figure out why my button isn't pushing my scene...
Feb 26 05:59:46 <haeffb_> ok. just don't look at the Cookie Bakery.
Feb 26 05:59:52 <PatrickC_Pre> is there a better place then webos101? I got confused when looking at their cookie part lol
Feb 26 05:59:54 <PatrickC_Pre> I didnt
Feb 26 06:00:09 <PatrickC_Pre> but I still got confused, like where does the code go
Feb 26 06:00:11 <haeffb_> http://www.webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie
Feb 26 06:00:17 <haeffb_> that confuses you?
Feb 26 06:00:32 <PatrickC_Pre> I understand the code, where does it go?
Feb 26 06:00:56 <PatrickC_Pre> like where do I save/retrieve the cookie? where in the setup widget do I put it?
Feb 26 06:02:04 <haeffb_> the code to read the cookie goes before you setupWidget() because you want to know the state of the toggle before you set it up.
Feb 26 06:02:20 <haeffb_> the code to save the cookie goes after the toggle value is changed by the user
Feb 26 06:02:43 <haeffb_> so...
Feb 26 06:02:48 <haeffb_> read Cookie value
Feb 26 06:02:51 <haeffb_> setupWidget
Feb 26 06:03:39 <haeffb_> create handler for Mojo.Event.propertyChange on the toggle
Feb 26 06:03:59 <haeffb_> in the handler, save the value of the toggleModel.value property in the cookie
Feb 26 06:04:35 <haeffb_> also, have a default value for in the case of the cookie hasn't been created yet.
Feb 26 06:04:58 <haeffb_> and, good god, it's past my bed time. Hope that helps.
Feb 26 06:05:02 <PatrickC_Pre> hmm. sounds complicated :p
Feb 26 06:05:06 <PatrickC_Pre> lol nite
Feb 26 06:07:56 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave, SineOt, wanna help? :)
Feb 26 06:12:39 <haeffb_> i guess technically you don't need the handler
Feb 26 06:12:59 <haeffb_> just save the value in the cookie in your scene's deactivate() event
Feb 26 06:13:19 <PatrickC_Pre> ok. well first I need to get this button to work :/
Feb 26 06:13:39 <PatrickC_Pre> its not working at all... Mojo.Log.Info doesn't log anything when pressed
Feb 26 06:13:39 <haeffb_> so, webos101 tells you how to read a value from a cookie. Do that before setupWidget() so you know what value to use in the toggle's model
Feb 26 06:14:01 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 06:14:06 <haeffb_> then in deactivate(), do what webos101 says to save the toggle's value in the cookie
Feb 26 06:14:44 <haeffb_> does the button have a tap handler?
Feb 26 06:15:10 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Feb 26 06:15:22 <PatrickC_Pre> Mojo.Event.tap
Feb 26 06:15:33 <haeffb_> no, that's a tap event
Feb 26 06:15:45 <haeffb_> you have a "handler" function to handle the tap event
Feb 26 06:15:57 <haeffb_> which is the function you want called when the button is tapped
Feb 26 06:16:01 <PatrickC_Pre> I had it set to handle and not handel...
Feb 26 06:17:29 <PatrickC_Pre> what do I put instead of "my first cookie"?
Feb 26 06:17:45 <haeffb_> "my second cookie" ?
Feb 26 06:17:52 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 06:17:59 <PatrickC_Pre> and log gave me an error
Feb 26 06:18:13 <haeffb_> what value do you want to save in the cookie?
Feb 26 06:18:21 <haeffb_> "my second cookie" was facetious
Feb 26 06:18:36 <haeffb_> Mojo.Log.Info will always give an error.
Feb 26 06:18:39 <PatrickC_Pre> Error: Cannot call method 'get' of undefined, line undefined, file undefindd
Feb 26 06:18:54 <PatrickC_Pre> s/undefindd/undefind
Feb 26 06:20:07 <Tibfib> howdy everyone
Feb 26 06:20:32 <haeffb_> pastebin
Feb 26 06:20:38 <haeffb_> hi tibfib
Feb 26 06:20:48 <PatrickC_Pre> hay tibfib
Feb 26 06:20:51 <dkirker> hi Tibfib !
Feb 26 06:21:00 <Tibfib> whoa, three responses. that must be a record!
Feb 26 06:21:02 <PatrickC_Pre> and pastebin is gonna be kinda hard... I can email you the file
Feb 26 06:21:17 <PatrickC_Pre> no internet on the development computer
Feb 26 06:21:34 <haeffb_> really? how can you email with no internet?
Feb 26 06:21:50 <haeffb_> USPS me the file
Feb 26 06:21:55 <PatrickC_Pre> drop the file onto the phone and email it from the phone
Feb 26 06:21:58 <Tibfib> hey dkirker: I was thinking in the past that someone could make a killing on a good browser. The palm browser is even a webview widget. make a killer ui == win.
Feb 26 06:22:02 <haeffb_> and I'll tell you what's wrong next week
Feb 26 06:22:10 <PatrickC_Pre> USPS rocks :p
Feb 26 06:22:34 <dkirker> Tibfib: you signed up for the Universe beta, right? :D
Feb 26 06:22:36 <PatrickC_Pre> the palm browser is a webview?! lol
Feb 26 06:22:40 <Tibfib> dkirker: I think so
Feb 26 06:22:46 <PatrickC_Pre> Universe Beta?
Feb 26 06:22:59 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm full of questions tonight lol
Feb 26 06:23:13 <Tibfib> dkirker: I'd love to give feedback. I want a killer browser. I kinda hate the stock one :)
Feb 26 06:23:25 <haeffb_> I have to go to sleep. Tibfib will help you get your cookie working.
Feb 26 06:23:27 <dkirker> http://www.openmobl.com/universe/
Feb 26 06:23:37 * Tibfib is past coding-ability
Feb 26 06:23:42 <PatrickC_Pre> tibfib, want a cookie?
Feb 26 06:23:44 <dkirker> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dkirker/5458062810/
Feb 26 06:23:45 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 26 06:23:57 <Tibfib> nice!
Feb 26 06:24:45 <PatrickC_Pre> dkirker, all it says is "coming soon"
Feb 26 06:24:52 <PatrickC_Pre> how do you sign up? :)
Feb 26 06:25:06 <PatrickC_Pre> and tibfib, how bout that cookie :p
Feb 26 06:25:14 <dkirker> beta@openmobl.com
Feb 26 06:25:25 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 06:26:20 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre: okay. I'll help for 5 mins. pastebin your code.. add comments for issues
Feb 26 06:26:38 <PatrickC_Pre> pastebin is a no-go
Feb 26 06:26:41 <PatrickC_Pre> I can email
Feb 26 06:26:44 <PatrickC_Pre> sorry lol
Feb 26 06:26:49 <Tibfib> arg.
Feb 26 06:26:54 <Tibfib> tibfib1 at the gmail
Feb 26 06:27:17 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 06:28:43 <PatrickC_Pre> dkirker, signed up
Feb 26 06:28:49 <dkirker> got it!
Feb 26 06:28:57 <PatrickC_Pre> awesome! lol
Feb 26 06:29:09 <dkirker> I'll process requests this week. need to plan things.
Feb 26 06:29:14 <Tibfib> fudge balls. there's a media indexer issue on my pre2
Feb 26 06:29:16 <torchie> I <3 stock besides reloading behavior
Feb 26 06:29:27 <Tibfib> I don't like the title bar
Feb 26 06:32:17 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm going to have to use the pre
Feb 26 06:32:17 <PatrickC_Pre> 1 second
Feb 26 06:33:28 <PatrickC_Pre> would you prefer a .zip of the entire thing and I tell you what's going wrong, or just the file?
Feb 26 06:33:51 <Tibfib> phew. reset fixed my media issue
Feb 26 06:34:27 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre: file works
Feb 26 06:34:50 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 06:36:01 <PatrickC_Pre> sent
Feb 26 06:36:38 <Tibfib> what's the issue?
Feb 26 06:37:01 <PatrickC_Pre> it won't display the scene properly, and I keep getting an error
Feb 26 06:37:20 <PatrickC_Pre> Error: Cannot call method 'get' of undefined, line undefined, file undefindd
Feb 26 06:37:34 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre: have you gone thru the javascript tutorials?
Feb 26 06:37:40 <Tibfib> this is a fairly simple issue.
Feb 26 06:37:51 <PatrickC_Pre> which one?
Feb 26 06:38:17 <PatrickC_Pre> w3schools isn't good, and I haven't found many other decent ones out there...
Feb 26 06:38:52 <Tibfib> I gave you a link to mozilla's
Feb 26 06:38:59 <Tibfib> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs
Feb 26 06:39:10 <PatrickC_Pre> ill take a look
Feb 26 06:40:48 <Tibfib> sent it back
Feb 26 06:40:54 <Tibfib> it should work
Feb 26 06:41:01 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 06:41:05 <PatrickC_Pre> thanks
Feb 26 06:41:26 <Tibfib> I'm off for the night
Feb 26 06:41:33 <Tibfib> night everyone
Feb 26 06:42:30 <PatrickC_Pre> night
Feb 26 06:44:47 <PatrickC_Pre> tibfib, that, when toggled, is going to change weather or not someone uses metrix, right?
Feb 26 06:44:58 <PatrickC_Pre> or someone else can help me
Feb 26 06:52:24 <sugardave> haeffb_: jealous of my awesome bakery?
Feb 26 06:57:51 <PatrickC_Pre> night all
Feb 26 06:58:52 <dkirker> good night
Feb 26 07:40:03 <sugardave> cool: http://gizmodo.com/#!5770394/the-pewpewpew-game-you-control-by-saying-pewpewpew
Feb 26 07:44:20 <graywolf336> sugardave: now that's one cool game!
Feb 26 07:45:38 <sugardave> yeah, it looks fun :)
Feb 26 08:15:58 <cxreg> if a patch is conflicting, how do you know for sure what was previously patched on the files that conflicted?
Feb 26 08:16:34 <rwhitby> you don't
Feb 26 08:16:50 <rwhitby> best you can do it look at all the patches you have installed, and see which of them touch that file
Feb 26 08:17:05 <cxreg> where are those stored?
Feb 26 08:17:34 <cxreg> i'm looking at the postinst files in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info
Feb 26 08:17:40 <cxreg> is there another place?
Feb 26 08:18:59 <cxreg> if it helps, the patch is "advanced config for the app launcher" or whatnot, and the file is some firstuse appinfo.json thing
Feb 26 08:19:29 <oil> yeah, it fails on that stuff
Feb 26 08:20:03 <oil> it expects it to be one way and its the other
Feb 26 08:20:05 <oil> visible or not
Feb 26 08:20:07 <oil> i dont remember
Feb 26 08:20:32 <cxreg> so just flip visible?
Feb 26 08:20:37 <oil> yeah
Feb 26 08:20:39 <oil> in the json
Feb 26 08:20:40 <cxreg> ok
Feb 26 08:20:45 <cxreg> i can do that :)
Feb 26 08:22:05 <cxreg> sweet thanks, glad it was something so easy
Feb 26 08:22:25 <oil> np
Feb 26 08:23:09 <cxreg> the actual patches are saved on the device for reversing later though, right?
Feb 26 08:24:35 <oil> i dont know for sure
Feb 26 08:24:39 <oil> probably
Feb 26 08:24:59 <cxreg> i think that's part of how aupt works, but i'm not entirely sure about that
Feb 26 08:43:37 <MetaView> moin
Feb 26 13:50:51 <haeffb_> good morning #webos
Feb 26 14:12:11 <MetaView> hi @palm
Feb 26 14:45:01 <haeffb_> sugardave: something like that...
Feb 26 15:00:26 <stuffmc> Hi Folks
Feb 26 15:00:59 <stuffmc> why does "palm-log —device-list" don't see my device?
Feb 26 15:01:11 <stuffmc> do I have to install something on the device to be able to develop?
Feb 26 15:06:05 <stuffmc> also why my console.log from a webpage aren't shown when I do
Feb 26 15:06:09 <stuffmc> palm-log -f com.palm.app.browser
Feb 26 15:10:44 <haeffb_> palm-log --device-list ?
Feb 26 15:10:59 <haeffb_> is your device in developer mode?
Feb 26 15:10:59 <stuffmc> 	yes
Feb 26 15:11:03 <stuffmc> not sure
Feb 26 15:11:16 <stuffmc> my Pre Plus was I think, my Pre 2 might not be
Feb 26 15:11:26 <haeffb_> go to card view and type webos20090606
Feb 26 15:11:33 <stuffmc> ah yeah!
Feb 26 15:11:35 <stuffmc> forgot that
Feb 26 15:12:09 <stuffmc> amazing :)
Feb 26 15:12:14 <stuffmc> "developer mode enabler" :_
Feb 26 15:12:31 <stuffmc> ah yeah
Feb 26 15:12:33 <stuffmc> cool
Feb 26 15:12:43 <stuffmc> roadrunner-linux
Feb 26 15:14:19 <stuffmc> and about my second question? :)
Feb 26 15:14:30 <stuffmc> console.log not being shown
Feb 26 15:32:39 <SimpsonCH> is this the place to ask programming questions for mojo ?
Feb 26 15:33:05 <haeffb_> its one place
Feb 26 15:33:15 <SimpsonCH> okay
Feb 26 15:34:14 <SimpsonCH> in a 'buttonpres' event I would like to adres a text in div on my scene
Feb 26 15:37:44 <haeffb_> like change the text in the div?
Feb 26 15:38:35 <haeffb_> this.controller.get('myDiv').innerHTML = "new text"; //is one way
Feb 26 15:39:11 <haeffb_> assuming that your buttonpress event handler is bound to the right "this"
Feb 26 15:40:32 <leiru> hi
Feb 26 15:40:58 <haeffb_> hello!
Feb 26 15:40:59 <leiru> MetaView: did you just get the pre2 or did they mailed you they will send it to you?
Feb 26 15:42:25 <stuffmc> back
Feb 26 15:42:32 <stuffmc> sorry I was rebooted :(
Feb 26 15:48:48 * haeffb_ not sure about the console.log question. 
Feb 26 15:48:50 <SimpsonCH> haeffb_, okay and how to to determin the correct bounding ?
Feb 26 15:49:09 <haeffb_> typically, you set up an event handler something like this...
Feb 26 15:49:10 <stuffmc> anybody else has an idea about the console.log question?
Feb 26 15:49:30 <haeffb_> this.myButtonPressHandler = this.myButtonPress.bind(this);
Feb 26 15:49:54 <haeffb_> this.controller.listen("myButton", Mojo.Event.tap, this.myButtonPressHandler);
Feb 26 15:50:33 <haeffb_> looks like Palm is balking at sending me two Pre2's in the same month... :)
Feb 26 15:50:38 <SimpsonCH> k
Feb 26 15:51:00 <haeffb_> this.myButtonPress = function (event) { ... };
Feb 26 15:51:44 <SimpsonCH> okay in the button press I do a ajaxrequest
Feb 26 15:51:59 <haeffb_> ok...
Feb 26 15:52:01 <SimpsonCH> can I still adres the this in the 'onSuccess' event ?
Feb 26 15:52:04 <stuffmc> btw I'm an iOS Dev looking for getting a bit more into webOS - if anybody is willing to help me now in then directly in iChat… I will gladly help in iOS in exchange. To me these are the 2 most elegant solutions currently.
Feb 26 15:52:14 <haeffb_> yes, but the onSuccess even must also be bound to "this"
Feb 26 15:52:19 <SimpsonCH> I'm just trying to figure out how stuff works
Feb 26 15:52:30 <stuffmc> I'm at http://pomcast.biz and @stuffmc
Feb 26 15:52:57 <SimpsonCH> via console.log I know I get at the point where the output should be generated
Feb 26 15:53:03 <haeffb_> stuffmc: I would just come here if I were you. There are often plenty of people who can help
Feb 26 15:53:26 <stuffmc> haeffb_:  yeah that's why I'm here
Feb 26 15:55:00 <haeffb_> SimpsonCH: can you pastebin your button press function?
Feb 26 15:55:13 <SimpsonCH> haeffb_, http://pastebin.com/XekHkYsv
Feb 26 15:55:20 <SimpsonCH> was already in the process of doing that ;)
Feb 26 15:55:59 <haeffb_> see, "this" in your onSuccess is not the "this" you need it to be.
Feb 26 15:56:59 <SimpsonCH> sure, otherwise it worked ;)
Feb 26 15:57:12 <haeffb_> try this: http://pastebin.com/YgyP5Yu0
Feb 26 15:58:25 <SimpsonCH> ah works :)
Feb 26 15:58:36 <haeffb_> woo!!!!
Feb 26 15:58:44 <SimpsonCH> now i understand this bind stuff all the people were talking about
Feb 26 15:59:08 <haeffb_> \o/
Feb 26 15:59:23 <SimpsonCH> is there a xslt processor available ?
Feb 26 15:59:37 * haeffb_ doesn't even know what xslt is...
Feb 26 16:00:17 <SimpsonCH> xslt -> xml stylesheet language template
Feb 26 16:03:34 <SimpsonCH> okay this eclipse -> emulator connection rocks
Feb 26 16:06:31 <SimpsonCH> niceness, works
Feb 26 16:07:01 * haeffb_ backing up files prior to installing Ubuntu...
Feb 26 16:07:15 <SimpsonCH> if I want to include some 3rd party javascript libraries are there general rules on where to place them ?
Feb 26 16:08:21 <haeffb_> not really. I use an app/models directory for most extraneous .js stuff
Feb 26 16:08:36 <haeffb_> then just include the files in your sources.json
Feb 26 16:09:26 <SimpsonCH> okayu
Feb 26 16:13:29 <haeffb_> hi matts. bye matts
Feb 26 16:13:45 <leiru> re
Feb 26 16:13:57 <leiru> got disconnected
Feb 26 16:14:03 <haeffb_> anybody know the photo services that will be supported on touchpad? photobucket and ... ?
Feb 26 16:14:24 <leiru> maybe flickr? *assume*
Feb 26 16:14:53 * haeffb_ trying to decide where to go with my photos.
Feb 26 16:15:00 <haeffb_> any pros/cons?
Feb 26 16:17:51 <SimpsonCH> if it would be truely done right, a plugin service would do the tricks...
Feb 26 16:18:03 <stuffmc> In the HelloWorld demo of Dion & Ben they show Palm-log on an app with console.log
Feb 26 16:18:10 <stuffmc> Should this also work on an app?
Feb 26 16:19:13 <SimpsonCH> what do you exactly mean ?
Feb 26 16:20:33 <haeffb_> stuffmc: should work on an app. may not work in the web browser.
Feb 26 16:21:37 <stuffmc> I'm working on a web app which worked fine and doesn't anymore for some random reason, would like to see the console.log from it
Feb 26 16:22:10 <haeffb_> can you test it in chrome or some such?
Feb 26 16:22:22 <stuffmc> no. chrome has a bug :)
Feb 26 16:22:25 <stuffmc> it works in Safari
Feb 26 16:22:28 <stuffmc> and iOS
Feb 26 16:22:34 <stuffmc> used to work fine on webOS
Feb 26 16:23:05 <stuffmc> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=40344
Feb 26 16:23:08 <stuffmc> (FYI)
Feb 26 16:23:28 <stuffmc> so right now the App isn't working on Chrome or Android, but I'm fine with that, it's a bug on their side :) they're on it.
Feb 26 16:40:10 <PatrickC_Pre> hello
Feb 26 17:17:31 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave: I got the cookie working, now I just need to figure out how to make it toggle
Feb 26 17:18:21 <PatrickC_Pre> thanks Tibfib :)
Feb 26 17:18:23 <PatrickC_Pre> it worked
Feb 26 17:21:15 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: when they tap the toggle, an event is probably raised, so create a listener for that event and get the model's value, update the cookie, and save it
Feb 26 17:21:32 <sugardave> it's probably propertyChange or something like that
Feb 26 17:21:39 <sugardave> I don't know which widget you are using
Feb 26 17:21:57 <PatrickC_Pre> toggle button
Feb 26 17:22:43 <PatrickC_Pre> I'll let you know what I'm using
Feb 26 17:22:47 <haeffb_> it is propertyChange
Feb 26 17:22:49 <sugardave> yeah, it only has the propertyChange event
Feb 26 17:22:55 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 17:23:00 <haeffb_> wish me luck, going wubi!
Feb 26 17:23:07 <PatrickC_Pre> good luck!
Feb 26 17:23:09 <haeffb_> bbl. hopefully.
Feb 26 17:23:12 <sugardave> haeffb_: bueno suerte!
Feb 26 17:24:23 <PatrickC_Pre> how hard is it to set up sugardave?
Feb 26 17:24:41 <sugardave> it's exactly the same as setting up any other listener
Feb 26 17:25:02 <PatrickC_Pre> where can I find the code?
Feb 26 17:25:05 <PatrickC_Pre> webos101?
Feb 26 17:25:38 <sugardave> every widget has an example of how to set it up on the dev site: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1934
Feb 26 17:25:53 <sugardave> in the "Event" section is the example of setting up the listener
Feb 26 17:26:07 <PatrickC_Pre> thanks, I'll take a look
Feb 26 17:26:18 <sugardave> it calls this.handleUpdate, but you probably want that to be whatever function you have to check/write the value of the toggle
Feb 26 17:27:46 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 17:29:21 <PatrickC_Pre> that parts set up
Feb 26 17:30:23 <sugardave> when the event is fired, your handler will get called and be passed the event object, which should have a model property that is the widget's model.  so, you check the value in that model and update/write the cookie in there
Feb 26 17:31:08 <PatrickC_Pre> how do I control what it toggles?
Feb 26 17:31:19 <sugardave> what?
Feb 26 17:31:33 <PatrickC_Pre> I want it to toggle data collection on/off
Feb 26 17:31:43 <sugardave> okay
Feb 26 17:31:57 <PatrickC_Pre> where does that get set up?
Feb 26 17:32:01 <PatrickC_Pre> stage or scene?
Feb 26 17:32:06 <sugardave> that widget is just a state indicator
Feb 26 17:32:23 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 26 17:33:14 <sugardave> not sure how the data collection works, basically you don't want to load/run it if the cookie is false
Feb 26 17:33:37 <PatrickC_Pre> ok. I'll ask the metrix forums
Feb 26 17:33:39 <sugardave> so if (cookieValue) { //load/run Metrix}
Feb 26 17:33:53 <PatrickC_Pre> I got my button working :p
Feb 26 17:34:09 <PatrickC_Pre> I had a typo in the code :/
Feb 26 17:34:16 <sugardave> :o
Feb 26 17:34:22 <sugardave> that was my shocked face
Feb 26 17:34:27 <PatrickC_Pre> I hate typo's
Feb 26 17:34:38 <PatrickC_Pre> can't webOS understand plane English?!
Feb 26 17:34:42 <PatrickC_Pre> well, it should
Feb 26 17:38:05 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave, you experienced with novacom?
Feb 26 18:39:21 <Jmarlow> hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm installing the metadoctor on OSX 10.6, via terminal
Feb 26 18:39:42 <Jmarlow> and once I get to step 4 (Install git:
Feb 26 18:39:42 <Jmarlow> sudo port install git-core)
Feb 26 18:40:01 <Jmarlow> I get an error message, and cannot move forward
Feb 26 18:40:14 <Jmarlow> Error: Target org.macports.activate returned: Image error: /opt/local/lib/libreadline.5.2.dylib already exists and does not belong to a registered port.  Unable to activate port readline. Use 'port -f activate readline' to force the activation.
Feb 26 18:40:14 <Jmarlow> Error: Failed to install readline
Feb 26 18:40:15 <Jmarlow> Log for readline is at: /opt/local/var/macports/logs/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_devel_readline/main.log
Feb 26 18:40:15 <Jmarlow> Error: The following dependencies were not installed: python27 readline sqlite3 rsync popt
Feb 26 18:40:15 <Jmarlow> Error: Status 1 encountered during processing.
Feb 26 18:40:15 <Jmarlow> To report a bug, see <http://guide.macports.org/#project.tickets>
Feb 26 18:40:16 <Jmarlow> macintosh:~ Jmarlow$
Feb 26 18:42:46 <sugardave> I don't know anything about OSX...did you try: sudo port -f activate readline
Feb 26 18:42:46 <sugardave> ?
Feb 26 18:42:48 <sugardave> ooops
Feb 26 19:03:23 <boottrax> Is there plan to support VirtualBox 4.0 for the dev env?
Feb 26 19:03:31 <Tibfib> it's coming
Feb 26 19:03:44 <boottrax> thanks
Feb 26 19:09:48 <cavneb> Does anyone know how long it usually takes to hear back re: the free phone program?
Feb 26 19:10:35 <bpadalino> i wouldn't hold my breath
Feb 26 19:11:33 * cavneb exhales
Feb 26 19:19:58 <Tibfib> arrgg.. I can't get .m3u playlists to show up in the media indexer
Feb 26 19:20:25 <Tibfib> anyone put playlists on their device before? shouldn't it be simple?
Feb 26 19:20:54 <haeffb_pre> does ubuntu not auto find wifi networks?
Feb 26 19:20:57 <funkatron> it *should* be
Feb 26 19:21:22 <Tibfib> funkatron: :/ I'd like to add .m3u playlist support to koto.. but they're not showing up in the media indexer
Feb 26 19:22:32 <torchie> I think an RPG where all of the magicks are named after mobile operating system infrastructure quirks would be at the very least moderatly interesting
Feb 26 19:22:34 <torchie> luna RESTART
Feb 26 19:22:41 <torchie> 520 DAMAGE
Feb 26 19:23:03 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 26 19:23:06 <torchie> on a side note I bought koto
Feb 26 19:23:13 <Tibfib> good man!
Feb 26 19:23:27 <torchie> I think my pre- 2.1.0 is having media indexing issues in general though
Feb 26 19:23:40 <Tibfib> does it work in teh stock app?
Feb 26 19:23:42 <torchie> is everything in /media/internal supposed to be intact after the metadoctor?
Feb 26 19:23:47 <torchie> stock app's had issues as well
Feb 26 19:24:02 <haeffb_pre> ah....found it
Feb 26 19:24:06 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: it should find your wireless network, assuming the wireless nic is working
Feb 26 19:24:07 <torchie> one thing is songs that were showing in music on 1.4.5 have all their metadata stripped
Feb 26 19:24:10 <sugardave> good
Feb 26 19:24:17 <Tibfib> torchie: my pre2 has indexing issues, until I restarted it
Feb 26 19:24:19 <torchie> and sometimes when I tap a song in koto it doesn't respond
Feb 26 19:24:26 <torchie> restarted like powercycle?
Feb 26 19:24:32 <Tibfib> device restart
Feb 26 19:24:40 <Tibfib> you may have to wipe your usb drive
Feb 26 19:24:52 <Tibfib> torchie: tap a song? where? what scene?
Feb 26 19:24:57 <Tibfib> gotta give more info than that
Feb 26 19:24:59 <funkatron> where are my Spaz themes you bastrds?
Feb 26 19:25:01 <torchie> alright
Feb 26 19:25:01 <funkatron> +a
Feb 26 19:25:38 <torchie> when I do usb drive mode and wipe that that only wipes /media/internal yes?
Feb 26 19:25:51 <Tibfib> yeah
Feb 26 19:25:52 <torchie> home -> Songs is where it happens
Feb 26 19:26:06 <Tibfib> oh, I think I know thaat bug. It should be fixed
Feb 26 19:26:07 <haeffb_pre> is there an irc client built in?
Feb 26 19:26:18 <torchie> it seems to happen to the songs that got their info stripped
Feb 26 19:26:22 <Tibfib> torchie: something is screwed up with the "filter" part of the filter list
Feb 26 19:26:37 <Tibfib> torchie: ah, well that is probably a media indexer issue too
Feb 26 19:26:52 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: sudo apt-get install irssi
Feb 26 19:27:06 <torchie> yeah maybe internal being there after the doctor affected the indexing
Feb 26 19:27:18 <torchie> also just luna restarted out of the blue
Feb 26 19:27:25 <torchie> which is sad when all the cards get set up nice :(
Feb 26 19:27:52 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: there are probably other irc clients, but I use irssi...you could use synaptic package manager and see what's available
Feb 26 19:28:23 <torchie> device restart
Feb 26 19:28:26 <funkatron> I think I've used XChat on ubuntu, haeffb_pre
Feb 26 19:28:31 <torchie> Do not remove battery :o
Feb 26 19:28:41 <torchie> I thought at one point ubuntu came with an irc client built in?
Feb 26 19:28:44 <torchie> don't remember which
Feb 26 19:28:48 <haeffb_pre> I think I ha e to wait until update manager is done
Feb 26 19:28:50 <torchie> but it was a gui one
Feb 26 19:29:08 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: yeah, only one instance of the package manager at a time
Feb 26 19:29:34 <haeffb_pre> lame
Feb 26 19:29:52 <sugardave> it's not done yet?
Feb 26 19:30:02 <haeffb_pre> close to done
Feb 26 19:30:20 <haeffb_pre> I was on a slow connect until I found the wifi
Feb 26 19:31:05 <haeffb_pre> seems cool so far
Feb 26 19:31:18 <Tibfib> hmmm. why won't my playlists show up.
Feb 26 19:31:32 <sugardave> Ubuntu is pretty nice
Feb 26 19:31:34 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre: watch the game? :)
Feb 26 19:32:14 <haeffb_pre> blah
Feb 26 19:32:36 <haeffb_pre> I destroyed one Pre- so far
Feb 26 19:32:55 <Tibfib> the good or bad one?
Feb 26 19:33:02 <haeffb_pre> can I access my win7 filesystem ?
Feb 26 19:33:06 <haeffb_pre> bad one
Feb 26 19:33:11 <Tibfib> yes
Feb 26 19:33:20 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: should be able to
Feb 26 19:33:24 <sugardave> might have to mount it
Feb 26 19:33:49 <torchie> hah I just scrolled to the bottom of the music list
Feb 26 19:33:51 <haeffb_pre> ah there it is
Feb 26 19:34:11 <torchie> sorted by japanese katakana character
Feb 26 19:34:20 <torchie> alright so what's the best way to go about doing this wipe
Feb 26 19:34:38 <Tibfib> torchie: go to device info and do usb wipe
Feb 26 19:34:44 <torchie> oh that works
Feb 26 19:34:53 <torchie> I was about to do something a lot stupider
Feb 26 19:35:59 <torchie> and maybe I should eject before disconnecting
Feb 26 19:36:13 <torchie> the usb symbol is transparently overlaid on the whole UI :o
Feb 26 19:38:34 <torchie> MY PERSONAL FIIIIIIIILLLLLESSS
Feb 26 19:38:50 <stuffmc> Folks, is "Exhibition Mode" something already working?
Feb 26 19:39:10 <stuffmc> not sure how to "activate" it on my pre2… or which apps have it implemented
Feb 26 19:40:33 <torchie> sort of?
Feb 26 19:40:46 <torchie> I got agenda and time views when I put my pre- on the touchstone
Feb 26 19:40:54 <torchie> but when I press the start exhibition button nothing happens
Feb 26 19:40:55 <MetaView> isn't implemented on a Pre2
Feb 26 19:41:09 <MetaView> it's only in 2.1
Feb 26 19:41:19 <RagingMind> it is in 2.1  :)
Feb 26 19:41:22 <RagingMind> it's pretty
Feb 26 19:41:34 <MetaView> yes, but the Pre2 has only 2.0.1
Feb 26 19:43:56 <stuffmc> ah ok
Feb 26 19:43:59 <Tibfib> sigh
Feb 26 19:44:11 <stuffmc> can we install 2.1 on the pre? what's the status of 2.1?
Feb 26 19:44:21 <torchie> alive and well
Feb 26 19:47:47 <NuttyBunny> stuffmc:  Yes, we can:  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade
Feb 26 19:50:28 <stuffmc> I have a Pre 2 so I guess I don't need this guide. Do I?
Feb 26 19:50:48 <funkatron> I think what's released is for Pre+ devices
Feb 26 19:50:52 <funkatron> so I wouldn't do it
Feb 26 19:50:59 * funkatron also has a Pre2
Feb 26 19:51:15 * sugardave keeps his Pre 2 at 2.0.1 for now.
Feb 26 19:51:25 <sugardave> it's a haeffb
Feb 26 19:51:29 * Tibfib too
Feb 26 19:51:41 <Tibfib> haeffb: recovered from the game? :)
Feb 26 19:51:48 <haeffb> woohoo!
Feb 26 19:51:53 <haeffb> game: boo!
Feb 26 19:51:59 <haeffb> ubuntu: woohoo!
Feb 26 19:52:27 <haeffb> wonder if I can import my xchat settings from Win... ?
Feb 26 19:52:38 <haeffb> you guys are all wrong colors right now
Feb 26 19:52:56 * Tibfib hopes for teal
Feb 26 19:54:35 <haeffb> blue. sorry.
Feb 26 19:57:52 <haeffb> where's my apps installed to?
Feb 26 20:05:36 <Tibfib> dangit
Feb 26 20:06:59 <sugardave> what color am I?
Feb 26 20:07:38 <joetweeply> for me you are red
Feb 26 20:08:24 <haeffb> everybody is blue!
Feb 26 20:08:26 <haeffb> brb
Feb 26 20:08:48 <sugardave> blue and red :)
Feb 26 20:12:13 <haeffb> oops
Feb 26 20:12:17 <haeffb> wrong channel
Feb 26 20:15:08 <joetweeply> dude markus persson sold 1.4 million copies of minecraft
Feb 26 20:15:14 <joetweeply> unbelievable
Feb 26 20:17:06 <Umren> joetweeply: is there version for linux?
Feb 26 20:17:13 <joetweeply> it's java... so yeah
Feb 26 20:17:54 <haeffb> brb
Feb 26 20:18:47 <haeffb> that should do it for xchat config
Feb 26 20:18:58 * haeffb looks like me again
Feb 26 20:19:07 <MetaView> really?
Feb 26 20:19:14 <MetaView> you are a bit blurry
Feb 26 20:19:39 <haeffb> just a bit.
Feb 26 20:19:49 <haeffb> it'll take a while for me to come into focus again.
Feb 26 20:19:56 <MetaView> ;)
Feb 26 20:20:15 <haeffb> so, I was able to remove the comms board from Pre- 1, but putting it back together was challenging.
Feb 26 20:20:52 <MetaView> cool
Feb 26 20:21:02 <MetaView> did you swaped it?
Feb 26 20:21:42 <haeffb> no, I was just practicing first
Feb 26 20:22:20 <haeffb> but the volume rocker came out and I can't get it back in.
Feb 26 20:22:28 <haeffb> and can't get the keyboard bezel back into place.
Feb 26 20:22:37 <torchie> minecraft
Feb 26 20:22:39 <torchie> mad bank
Feb 26 20:23:25 <joetweeply> totally crazy
Feb 26 20:24:50 <MetaView> linux command to add a line to an existing text file?
Feb 26 20:25:36 <torchie> I'm wondering if the actual desktop minecraft client will run on my 06 macbook
Feb 26 20:25:36 <RagingMind>  >> filename
Feb 26 20:25:49 <RagingMind> if you use > it'll replace the entire file
Feb 26 20:25:57 <RagingMind> but >> will add to the end
Feb 26 20:26:17 <RagingMind> MetaView, is the line coming from another file or the command line?
Feb 26 20:26:23 <MetaView> echo "this is a test" >> /usr/file
Feb 26 20:26:28 <MetaView> the line is fixed
Feb 26 20:26:58 <MetaView> I want to add something to the jail file to make Terminus working again
Feb 26 20:27:23 <MetaView> well rwhitby told me what to do, but I guess he assumes I know linux...
Feb 26 20:27:55 <MetaView> RagingMind: how to add the linefeed?
Feb 26 20:28:39 <RagingMind> maybe /n
Feb 26 20:28:42 <RagingMind> *shrugs*
Feb 26 20:44:31 <Tibfib> torchie: have you used the "album art scroller" in koto?
Feb 26 20:44:41 <Tibfib> has anyone? just need feedback?
Feb 26 20:47:41 <haeffb> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585&Itemid=55
Feb 26 20:47:47 <haeffb> can't get step 1.1 to work
Feb 26 20:47:54 <haeffb> "deb" is an unrecognized command
Feb 26 20:48:06 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 26 20:48:22 * haeffb is new to ubuntu!
Feb 26 20:48:30 * Tibfib is to
Feb 26 20:48:42 <sugardave> haeffb: hmm, deb should be recognized
Feb 26 20:49:03 <dumbledore> can i make my own wiki page on webos-internals.org?
Feb 26 20:49:20 <sugardave> haeffb: er, nevermind
Feb 26 20:49:23 <Tibfib> dumbledore: depends
Feb 26 20:49:29 <sugardave> you need to add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
Feb 26 20:49:35 <haeffb> ah.
Feb 26 20:49:39 <dumbledore> Tibfib: on?
Feb 26 20:49:49 <Tibfib> dumbledore: if there is a reason to...
Feb 26 20:50:07 <dumbledore> its a write up for those having trouble getting their contacts back onto their 2.1 profile
Feb 26 20:50:22 <dumbledore> 2.1 wont read 1.4.5's db3
Feb 26 20:50:35 <Tibfib> that'd be good! (although I have no authority :))
Feb 26 20:50:39 <dumbledore> lol
Feb 26 20:50:41 <Tibfib> ask in #webos-internals
Feb 26 20:50:45 <dumbledore> ok
Feb 26 20:50:48 <sugardave> isn't it a wiki?
Feb 26 20:51:06 <Tibfib> yep
Feb 26 20:51:16 <Tibfib> ask where to put it
Feb 26 20:51:26 <dumbledore> ok
Feb 26 20:51:30 <haeffb> that brings up a Software Sources app...
Feb 26 20:51:51 <sugardave> haeffb: what did you do?
Feb 26 20:52:07 <haeffb> double-click.
Feb 26 20:52:13 <haeffb> now open in text editor
Feb 26 20:52:18 <haeffb> just add the line anywhere?
Feb 26 20:52:25 <sugardave> I'd put it at the end
Feb 26 20:52:34 <sugardave> but shouldn't matter
Feb 26 20:54:39 <haeffb> won't let me edit the damn thing.
Feb 26 20:54:42 <haeffb> sigh.
Feb 26 20:55:09 <sugardave> no problem
Feb 26 20:55:18 <sugardave> haeffb: open a command prompt and type this:
Feb 26 20:55:29 <sugardave> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
Feb 26 20:55:38 <sugardave> and then enter your password when prompted
Feb 26 20:55:44 <sugardave> should be able to write to it
Feb 26 20:57:30 <haeffb> got it. thanks!
Feb 26 21:00:27 <Umren> btw what SDK is based on ubuntu?
Feb 26 21:00:30 <Umren> eclipse?
Feb 26 21:05:08 <PatrickC_Pre> hay
Feb 26 21:06:15 <haeffb> virtualbox install looks stuck
Feb 26 21:06:35 <haeffb> 46% [1 virtualbox-3.2 18.7MB/48.9MB 38%]
Feb 26 21:06:43 <haeffb> just staying there
Feb 26 21:07:29 <NCZman> anyone here familiar with audio in ares?
Feb 26 21:08:26 <NCZman> I am using the audio widget, and can't seem to get it to play a second mp3 file
Feb 26 21:08:32 <PatrickC_Pre> NCZman, I am
Feb 26 21:09:18 <PatrickC_Pre> have you used google?
Feb 26 21:09:23 <NCZman> I am working on trying to update my soundboard for pre2, so I switched to the ares audio module
Feb 26 21:09:36 <DougReeder> me waves hello
Feb 26 21:09:40 <PatrickC_Pre> you switched to ares?
Feb 26 21:09:48 * PatrickC_Pre waves hello back
Feb 26 21:10:03 <NCZman> no have been using ares, but switched to the audio widget
Feb 26 21:10:17 <PatrickC_Pre> what were you using?
Feb 26 21:10:26 <NCZman> html5
Feb 26 21:10:33 <PatrickC_Pre> why did you switch?
Feb 26 21:10:45 <NCZman> but for some reason html 5 was not working on the pre2's
Feb 26 21:10:54 <PatrickC_Pre> google?
Feb 26 21:10:55 <Tibfib> hmm it should
Feb 26 21:11:01 <Tibfib> NCZman: I use html5 in my music player
Feb 26 21:11:01 <PatrickC_Pre> I can talk you through later
Feb 26 21:11:09 <NCZman> was not able to find anything in google
Feb 26 21:11:10 <PatrickC_Pre> or Tibfib can talk you through now :)
Feb 26 21:11:20 <Tibfib> hah. busy working on koto
Feb 26 21:11:27 <PatrickC_Pre> koto rocks
Feb 26 21:11:28 <Tibfib> but, it should work.. but if ares does it too.. might as well
Feb 26 21:11:56 <PatrickC_Pre> tibfib got my app working :)
Feb 26 21:12:11 <NCZman> how do you clear the audio widget to get it to play a second mp3?
Feb 26 21:12:23 <PatrickC_Pre> bbl
Feb 26 21:12:26 <Tibfib> not a lot of peeps know ares here
Feb 26 21:12:51 <NCZman> yea, not a lot of documentation on it either
Feb 26 21:14:10 <NCZman> so the html5 works with pre2?
Feb 26 21:14:48 <haeffb> hmmm.... Pre- 1 is booting.
Feb 26 21:15:44 <haeffb> maybe I did get it put back together correctly
Feb 26 21:16:13 <sugardave> sweet
Feb 26 21:16:26 <haeffb> so, what do I do to get this virtual-box install working again?
Feb 26 21:16:31 <haeffb> stop terminal and try again?
Feb 26 21:16:58 <sugardave> how were you installing it?
Feb 26 21:17:15 <dumbledore> i broke the vibrator on my pre
Feb 26 21:17:23 <dumbledore> that sounded so wrong, but i did
Feb 26 21:17:25 <haeffb> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-3.2
Feb 26 21:17:40 <sugardave> haeffb: yeah, ctrl-c, then try it again
Feb 26 21:17:41 <haeffb> then it just stopped at 38% download and is doing nothing
Feb 26 21:18:10 <haeffb> woo! that got it picked up again
Feb 26 21:21:03 <Tibfib> complaining?
Feb 26 21:21:07 <Tibfib> ;)
Feb 26 21:23:51 * halfhalo has played with pre3
Feb 26 21:23:55 <Tibfib> whaa?
Feb 26 21:24:16 <halfhalo> only hardware, no software
Feb 26 21:24:16 <graywolf336> hey guys... can someone point me to a good article explaining buttons. kinda generic question.... I've got a HTML5 <audio> object that autoplays, and so i want to put a stop button (it's a streaming audio)
Feb 26 21:26:09 <Tibfib> halfhalo: nice!
Feb 26 21:26:59 <Tibfib> has anyone dealt with dynamic width horizontal scrollers?
Feb 26 21:29:40 <haeffb> graywolf336, look at http://www.webos101.com
Feb 26 21:33:11 <haeffb> should I install eclipse or start looking elsewhere?
Feb 26 21:33:49 <sugardave> haeffb: I'm checking out a simpler text editor
Feb 26 21:33:53 <sugardave> geany
Feb 26 21:35:22 <haeffb> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-javascript-web-developers/heliossr2
Feb 26 21:35:52 <graywolf336> haeffb: what are you on?
Feb 26 21:36:09 <haeffb> ubuntu today
Feb 26 21:36:33 <graywolf336> i like eclipse... sudo apt-get install eclipse
Feb 26 21:36:42 <sugardave> I have an older eclipse than that
Feb 26 21:39:00 <graywolf336> haeffb: are you developing for webos
Feb 26 21:39:01 <haeffb> I think mine on Win7 is ganymede version
Feb 26 21:39:06 <haeffb> yes
Feb 26 21:39:40 <graywolf336> haeffb: then i'd go with eclipse because it's easy to test apps on your phone and emulator.. just two clicks
Feb 26 21:40:11 <Umren> haeffb: what tools u need to develop under linux? SDK is for eclipse only? or u can use any editor?
Feb 26 21:40:35 <sugardave> Umren: you can use vi if you want
Feb 26 21:40:43 <Umren> cuz i hate eclipse
Feb 26 21:40:44 <haeffb> you can use any editor. eclipse has some built-in integration with the SDK tools
Feb 26 21:41:09 <Umren> but then i need test my files in console?
Feb 26 21:41:21 <sugardave> hmm?
Feb 26 21:41:27 <Umren> with sdk
Feb 26 21:42:10 <graywolf336> Umren: if you have the sdk all installed and your on linux, then you can go to directory where all your apps are and do a palm-package appName and it'll create an ipk
Feb 26 21:43:53 <Umren> hm, on 64bit u need to install 32bit AND 64bit version xD funny
Feb 26 21:44:16 <graywolf336> Umren: both of what?
Feb 26 21:45:35 <Umren> ah.. sdk is only 32 bit
Feb 26 21:54:33 * haeffb installing eclipse & aptana
Feb 26 21:54:55 * Josef_B waits
Feb 26 21:54:57 <Josef_B> j/k
Feb 26 21:55:30 <dumbledore> anyone else having trouble uploading to photobucket from the photos app?
Feb 26 21:56:48 <Josef_B> nope .. i never understood it.. once you upload it via that photobucket app do actually have to go the website and find it .. or there a link  on your pre somehwere
Feb 26 21:57:06 <dumbledore> go to the interwebs
Feb 26 21:57:06 <dumbledore> :3
Feb 26 21:57:18 <dumbledore> yeah i agree, its a shitty design
Feb 26 21:57:20 <dumbledore> but works
Feb 26 21:58:18 <PatrickC_Pre> hay
Feb 26 21:58:50 <dumbledore> hey patrickc_pre
Feb 26 21:59:01 <stuffmc> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2109#exhibition
Feb 26 21:59:08 <stuffmc> this page says it's for 2.0 :)
Feb 26 21:59:12 <dumbledore> :D
Feb 26 21:59:19 <stuffmc> "A few Exhibition options will be built into webOS 2.0" :)
Feb 26 22:00:14 <Tibfib> that page is wrong..
Feb 26 22:00:17 <Tibfib> unfortunately
Feb 26 22:00:21 <dumbledore> lul
Feb 26 22:00:30 <Tibfib> 2.1
Feb 26 22:00:35 <dumbledore> tibfib: im done writing up my guide :D
Feb 26 22:00:41 <Tibfib> nice!
Feb 26 22:00:42 <dumbledore> i just hope someone grants me permission
Feb 26 22:00:54 <dumbledore> otherwise i'll just host on my server
Feb 26 22:02:59 <Tibfib> ping rwhitby and ask where to put it
Feb 26 22:03:00 <Josef_B> rwhitby do yo allow suggesstions to your #webos-internals website .. there is an outdated part of it dealing with the apps and where they are located
Feb 26 22:03:21 <Tibfib> dumbledore: if he doesn't respond, put it where you think it is best
Feb 26 22:03:24 <Tibfib> Josef_B: the wiki?
Feb 26 22:03:27 <Josef_B> yes
Feb 26 22:03:33 <Tibfib> it is a wiki.. fix it
Feb 26 22:03:41 <Tibfib> everyone can edit a wiki.
Feb 26 22:03:50 * haeffb can't edit a wiki
Feb 26 22:04:04 <Tibfib> except a few *special* people
Feb 26 22:05:03 <haeffb> sugardave: where did my SDK install to?
Feb 26 22:05:04 <rwhitby> yep, it's a wiki.  just do it.
Feb 26 22:05:12 * haeffb hasn't figured out this filesystem yet
Feb 26 22:05:14 <sugardave> haeffb: somewhere under /opt
Feb 26 22:05:18 <Josef_B> k
Feb 26 22:06:06 <haeffb> thanks again
Feb 26 22:06:13 <haeffb> emu starting
Feb 26 22:06:24 <Tibfib> nice
Feb 26 22:06:39 <Tibfib> going to start using ubuntu more?
Feb 26 22:06:56 <haeffb> I might start using it forever
Feb 26 22:07:00 <haeffb> so far so good
Feb 26 22:07:01 <Tibfib> nice!
Feb 26 22:08:19 <haeffb> woohoo! Done! runs in emu on ubuntu!
Feb 26 22:08:47 <sugardave> sweet
Feb 26 22:09:49 * Tibfib is in a mood to use ubuntu for a bit
Feb 26 22:10:18 <summatusmentis> you... get in moods to use OSs?
Feb 26 22:10:24 <Tibfib> I do
Feb 26 22:10:29 <summatusmentis> weird
Feb 26 22:11:01 <Tibfib> hah
Feb 26 22:11:18 <summatusmentis> I just use the OSs I need
Feb 26 22:12:00 <Umren> summatusmentis: and what OS u need?
Feb 26 22:12:03 <Umren> xD
Feb 26 22:12:16 <summatusmentis> Umren: normally I use OS X, I prefer linux for coding
Feb 26 22:12:32 <summatusmentis> when I'm using linux, I tend to prefer ubuntu
Feb 26 22:12:41 <summatusmentis> or another debian based OS
Feb 26 22:12:53 <stuffmc> Hey folks
Feb 26 22:13:18 <stuffmc> http://www.pomcast.biz is looking nice on Desktop/iOS/Android but somehow the grey background isn't used on webOS. Any Idea?!
Feb 26 22:13:47 <stuffmc> it shouldn't be white
Feb 26 22:26:24 * phil_bw wanders by
Feb 26 22:27:39 <sugardave> erg, the stupid is all over me today
Feb 26 22:28:00 <joetweeply> that's called a nose
Feb 26 22:28:00 <phil_bw> sugardave, happens...
Feb 26 22:28:32 <sugardave> I really wish there was NDA chat :s
Feb 26 22:28:43 <joetweeply> word
Feb 26 22:29:24 <phil_bw> sugardave, try this command for the NDA chat: /query sugardave
Feb 26 22:32:19 <sugardave> heh
Feb 26 22:42:08 <Tibfib> what's the "standard" directory for apps on the usb drive?
Feb 26 22:42:12 <Tibfib> .app-storage?
Feb 26 22:42:15 <Tibfib> .app-data?
Feb 26 22:44:10 <sugardave> /media/internal/.app-storage for dbs and stuff
Feb 26 22:52:28 <haeffb> eclipse not connecting to device... ?
Feb 26 22:53:58 <graywolf336> haeffb: make sure your device has dev mode enabled
Feb 26 23:00:24 <haeffb> it does
Feb 26 23:03:38 <stuffmc> Hey I was wondering something about VirtualBox
Feb 26 23:04:00 <stuffmc> if somebody has a licence for VMWare or Parallels, wouldn't it make sense for them to be able to use those tools?
Feb 26 23:04:49 <stuffmc> or Virtual PC for example. I'm not totally sure, but I think VirtualBox might be reponsible for restarting my Mac, and I'd try it with VMWare or Parallels (I have both licences) using the VirtualBox Palm Images
Feb 26 23:06:25 <haeffb> novaterm takes me right to the device
Feb 26 23:06:35 <haeffb> but can't palm-install or use eclipse to install
Feb 26 23:06:46 <haeffb> palm-log --device-list shows both emu and pre
Feb 26 23:06:51 <haeffb> ???
Feb 26 23:09:19 * phil_bw sighs
Feb 26 23:09:53 <phil_bw> my goodness... looking at OpenGL code going a very long time without is about the same as wearing glasses after going a very long time without... makes the eyes hurt
Feb 26 23:14:42 <sugardave> haeffb: lame, I did not have these issues :(
Feb 26 23:15:14 <haeffb> rebooting pre
Feb 26 23:16:13 <haeffb> UT loses to Colorado
Feb 26 23:16:18 <sugardave> wow
Feb 26 23:16:28 <sugardave> they were up by 12 earlier
Feb 26 23:16:35 <haeffb> up 15 at half
Feb 26 23:16:44 <haeffb> :shrug:
Feb 26 23:17:02 <sugardave> XMLHttpRequest cannot load [redacted]. Origin http://localhost is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin
Feb 26 23:17:05 <sugardave> wtf
Feb 26 23:17:30 <haeffb> in Chrome?
Feb 26 23:17:38 <sugardave> yeah
Feb 26 23:17:42 <haeffb> there are some command line switches you have to add, I think
Feb 26 23:17:49 <sugardave> but other things work
Feb 26 23:18:02 <sugardave> that do similar different origin
Feb 26 23:18:10 <destinal> stuffmc: VirtualBox is generally the best choice.  You can (and I have) used VMWare but you lose some functionality like the port forwarding to localhost to make ssh localhost on the right port take you to the device, and more importantly, the resolution can be off.
Feb 26 23:18:18 <sugardave> (plus i think I already modified my launcher properties)
Feb 26 23:18:47 <sugardave> yes, --allow-file-access-from-files
Feb 26 23:18:50 <sugardave> oh wait
Feb 26 23:18:52 <sugardave> that's files
Feb 26 23:20:24 <sugardave> hmm, no, that still doesn't explain why this other example works
Feb 26 23:27:35 <haeffb> there's two switches I had to add
Feb 26 23:28:54 * haeffb going for dinner. bbl.
Feb 26 23:28:58 <sugardave> yeah, I'm about to test with --disable-web-security
Feb 26 23:33:39 <sugardave> we have a winnar
Feb 27 00:05:48 <dumbledore> finished my page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/TRANSFERRING_CONTACTS_BETWEEN_1.4.5_AND_LOWER_TO_WEBOS_2.1#Procedure
Feb 27 00:07:16 <rwhitby> dumbledore: moved it to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Contacts_Transfer_(1.4.x_to_2.x)
Feb 27 00:07:31 <dumbledore> ok :3
Feb 27 00:07:45 <rwhitby> dumbledore: now, we should like it in somewhere
Feb 27 00:08:56 <dumbledore> ok
Feb 27 00:09:50 <rwhitby> s/like/link/
Feb 27 00:10:20 <dumbledore> lol i knew something wasn't right what that statement :3
Feb 27 00:10:26 <dumbledore> i'll make a post on pre-central?
Feb 27 00:11:00 <sugardave> dumbledore: no, it means to make a link to it from some other page in the wiki
Feb 27 00:11:03 <sugardave> so it is not "orphaned"
Feb 27 00:11:10 <dumbledore> oh
Feb 27 00:11:16 <dumbledore> :P
Feb 27 00:11:33 <sugardave> rwhitby hates orphans
Feb 27 00:12:04 <rwhitby> sugardave: rick-away is the one who is big on that
Feb 27 00:12:27 <sugardave> must stamp out orphans
Feb 27 00:16:11 <dumbledore> lol
Feb 27 00:30:13 <scoinva> should I attempt to upgrade my Vzw Palm Pre Plus to 2.0?
Feb 27 00:32:58 <rwhitby> no. you should aim for 2.1 instead
Feb 27 00:33:20 <haeffb> should I upgrade my Sprint Pre to a Pre 2 ?
Feb 27 00:33:55 <halfhalo> yes
Feb 27 00:34:10 <halfhalo> we are taping the procedure tomorrow
Feb 27 00:39:32 <sugardave> I don't think I understand the purpose of using jsoncallback when using web services...is there some advantage to it over dealing with the response myself?
Feb 27 00:40:21 <Tibfib> sugardave: was wondering that myself..
Feb 27 00:40:27 <Tibfib> using the google api atm
Feb 27 00:41:21 * sugardave tests some things.
Feb 27 00:41:45 <Tibfib> sugardave: btw, I'm going to do some code changes so formatters get passed the obj index
Feb 27 00:41:54 <Tibfib> looks like it'll be easy
Feb 27 00:42:50 <PatrickC_Pre> what's up?
Feb 27 00:43:20 <Tibfib> whoa, I didn't know you could use objects in formatters
Feb 27 00:43:22 <dumbledore> i wish wirc could be minimized into banners
Feb 27 00:43:32 <dumbledore> instead of having it in card view
Feb 27 00:43:39 <PatrickC_Pre> wirc rocks
Feb 27 00:43:50 <dumbledore> yeah :D
Feb 27 00:44:27 <oil> xD
Feb 27 00:44:31 <PatrickC_Pre> wIRC FTW
Feb 27 00:44:43 <PatrickC_Pre> oil didn't mess this up :p
Feb 27 00:44:51 <dumbledore> i was so happy today, i could finally go outside without having to worry my phone will drop back into 1x <3
Feb 27 00:44:52 <sugardave> Tibfib: dude, you can do all kinds of shit with formatters
Feb 27 00:44:52 * oil doesnt mess anything up
Feb 27 00:45:20 <PatrickC_Pre> oil, I never mess anything up
Feb 27 00:46:05 <dumbledore> i broke the vibrator :(
Feb 27 00:46:24 <oil> ... thats what she said?
Feb 27 00:46:32 <PatrickC_Pre> wow
Feb 27 00:46:33 <dumbledore> lol noo, the vibrator on the pre
Feb 27 00:46:38 <PatrickC_Pre> how'd you break it
Feb 27 00:46:46 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 27 00:46:59 <dumbledore> lol it works, just dosent vibrate as hard as it used to
Feb 27 00:47:09 <dumbledore> i can barely feel it anymore
Feb 27 00:47:29 <oil> ...
Feb 27 00:47:34 <PatrickC_Pre> ....
Feb 27 00:47:36 <dumbledore> ...
Feb 27 00:47:37 <oil> lol
Feb 27 00:47:38 <Tibfib> oil: don't do it
Feb 27 00:47:39 <haeffb> desensitized
Feb 27 00:47:45 <Tibfib> *say*
Feb 27 00:48:15 <oil> Tibfib: i wouldnt, that one was too eazy
Feb 27 00:48:42 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 27 00:49:00 <haeffb> I wish I could read the MEID on this phone. Eyes are too old...
Feb 27 00:50:11 <PatrickC_Pre> haeffb GSM/CDMA?
Feb 27 00:50:36 <haeffb> cdma
Feb 27 00:50:55 <PatrickC_Pre> that's sprint/vzw right? lol
Feb 27 00:50:57 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm tired....
Feb 27 00:50:59 <PatrickC_Pre> :)
Feb 27 00:51:07 <haeffb> ok, got enough light now.
Feb 27 00:51:40 <PatrickC_Pre> well, if you do ##786# it tells you :)
Feb 27 00:52:04 <rwhitby> or just look in Device Info ...
Feb 27 00:52:12 <PatrickC_Pre> true
Feb 27 00:52:19 <rwhitby> Or Impostah
Feb 27 00:54:10 <haeffb> not activated
Feb 27 00:54:18 <haeffb> nor signed into provile
Feb 27 00:54:20 <haeffb> profile
Feb 27 00:54:39 <PatrickC_Pre> ahh ok
Feb 27 00:54:44 <Tibfib> "hey kid, will you read this for a piece of candy?"
Feb 27 00:54:46 <haeffb> got it now, just needed more light
Feb 27 01:03:16 <sugardave> so Tibfib, what are you supposed to do with a returned jsoncallback, eval it?
Feb 27 01:03:23 <sugardave> that seems stupid
Feb 27 01:03:35 * Tibfib shrugs
Feb 27 01:03:52 * sugardave tests some more things.
Feb 27 01:06:50 <PatrickC_Pre> bbl
Feb 27 01:10:37 <sugardave> yeah, that is pretty dumb...what is the purpose of doing it this way?
Feb 27 01:13:11 * halfhalo has played with veer moar
Feb 27 01:22:59 * Tibfib should stop being dumb
Feb 27 01:23:09 <Tibfib> at least most of the time
Feb 27 01:27:42 <Tibfib> sugardave: there, got an "index" for Mojo.View.render with collections
Feb 27 01:27:49 <sugardave> sweet
Feb 27 01:27:50 <Tibfib> only took a bit because I was stupid
Feb 27 01:28:03 <Tibfib> and I also added being able to use numbers
Feb 27 01:28:39 <Tibfib> I may add it to lists at some point, but I don't need it atm
Feb 27 01:43:15 <Tibfib> is
Feb 27 01:43:35 <Tibfib> ".app-storage" the typical directory developers use?
Feb 27 01:44:00 <Tibfib> on media/internal
Feb 27 01:53:40 <mattsmcnulty> hilariously, I have no idea tibfib
Feb 27 01:53:49 <Tibfib> haha
Feb 27 01:54:25 <Tibfib> I remember a topic on precentral or something asking devs to use a standard folder for app stuff. trying to figure out what one it is
Feb 27 01:54:42 <mattsmcnulty> well if you read it on precentral clearly it is official
Feb 27 01:55:05 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 27 01:55:20 <Tibfib> there's a dir that lots of devs use
Feb 27 01:57:43 <Tibfib> shmeh. I'm going .app-storage
Feb 27 01:59:12 <if`m> i'm having trouble accessing my palm pre 2 with novaterm on 64 bit ubuntu linux
Feb 27 01:59:21 <if`m> using the latest sdk and novacom
Feb 27 01:59:31 <if`m> novaterm -l returns nothing
Feb 27 01:59:48 <mattsmcnulty> and the pre2 has dev mode enabled?
Feb 27 02:00:03 <if`m> yes
Feb 27 02:00:26 <mattsmcnulty> and novacomd is running on the linux box?
Feb 27 02:00:31 <if`m> yeppers
Feb 27 02:00:58 <if`m> of note: it's an unlocked gsm pre 2, i had to enable dev mode to get out of the "how to put in your sim card" animation
Feb 27 02:01:49 <mattsmcnulty> just looking at the instructions, which the team wrote but I have not personally used (dont really use linux and not 64 bit when I do)
Feb 27 02:01:57 <mattsmcnulty> you did "Install ia32-libs (on 64-bit systems only)"?
Feb 27 02:02:00 <if`m> yeah
Feb 27 02:02:16 <if`m> and the setup works with my current sprint palm pre
Feb 27 02:02:20 <mattsmcnulty> ah
Feb 27 02:02:41 <mattsmcnulty> how did you enable dev mode while in the sim screen?
Feb 27 02:03:07 <if`m> #.338866.# or something like that, don't remember the numbers exactly
Feb 27 02:03:11 <mattsmcnulty> ah
Feb 27 02:03:12 <mattsmcnulty> k
Feb 27 02:03:22 <if`m> but it popped up and said, "enable dev mode?"
Feb 27 02:03:55 <if`m> which i did, device restarted, and i have all the niceties of a normal palm (except the ability to make/receive calls)
Feb 27 02:04:25 <if`m> just went back in with the konami code, it's still enabled
Feb 27 02:04:34 <mattsmcnulty> k, you just beat my next suggestion
Feb 27 02:05:06 <if`m> :)
Feb 27 02:05:16 <mattsmcnulty> you got me. the sprint pre seems to prove your box is fine
Feb 27 02:05:28 <if`m> oh wait
Feb 27 02:05:36 <if`m> let me try a different usb port
Feb 27 02:05:58 <if`m> nope
Feb 27 02:07:16 <mattsmcnulty> I'd ask my guy who handles the linux stuff (lemketron on here) but he's in maui
Feb 27 02:08:08 <mattsmcnulty> hmm, are you in the prerelease program?
Feb 27 02:08:41 <mattsmcnulty> you might need the 2.x novacom, which is currently available in there. only takes an email to sign up, and a day or two for chuq to enable
Feb 27 02:08:49 <mattsmcnulty> that's my best guess right now
Feb 27 02:09:09 <sugardave> Tibfib: .app-storage is where "external" sqlite dbs are stored
Feb 27 02:09:36 <Tibfib> sugardave: hmm, do apps use other places to store stuff?
Feb 27 02:10:02 <sugardave> I use /media/internal/[app.vendor]/[app.id]
Feb 27 02:10:19 <sugardave> but that's just something I came up with on my own
Feb 27 02:11:24 <Tibfib> I think I'm just going to do /media/internal/.app-storage/[app.id]/
Feb 27 02:11:42 <sugardave> that works
Feb 27 02:11:48 <Tibfib> I hate lots of folders on my usb drive :)
Feb 27 02:11:56 * haeffb trying to activate this Pre- 1
Feb 27 02:12:17 <Tibfib> oh, on sprint website?
Feb 27 02:12:27 <haeffb> yep
Feb 27 02:13:05 <haeffb> rebooting
Feb 27 02:13:09 * Tibfib is adding album art lookup/saving to koto
Feb 27 02:13:19 <haeffb> nice
Feb 27 02:13:57 <haeffb> here it goes
Feb 27 02:18:17 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: you can get 2.x novacom by running a 2.1 doctor *without* the device plugged in (for safetly) - this work for windows and mac, not linux.
Feb 27 02:18:34 <rwhitby> s/2.1/2.x/
Feb 27 02:19:10 <mattsmcnulty> good to know
Feb 27 02:23:14 <mattsmcnulty> my veer works flawlessly with my att microcell at home, but my iphone 4 gets crunchy and/or drops around every 15 minutes minimum. indictment of the iphone?
Feb 27 02:23:28 <mattsmcnulty> and yes that is with a band-aid-styled sticker over the magic drop call spot
Feb 27 02:23:38 <haeffb> not finding my wifi networks
Feb 27 02:24:04 <haeffb> maybe I didn't get a wifi antenna reconnected?
Feb 27 02:24:33 <if`m> mattsmcnulty: oh right, this channel
Feb 27 02:24:38 <haeffb> calls and sms working
Feb 27 02:24:41 <if`m> mattsmcnulty: yeah i'll sign up for that
Feb 27 02:24:46 <if`m> actually i think i'm in that program
Feb 27 02:25:17 <mattsmcnulty> if'm: lmk if it takes past monday EOD and I can poke chuq for you. matthew.mcnulty@palm.com
Feb 27 02:26:08 <mattsmcnulty> sorry I didn't think about novacom 2.x - we made that switch internally like 10mo ago
Feb 27 02:27:16 <if`m> guess not
Feb 27 02:27:29 <mamouton> hello on the pre2 if I am getting the webos doctor failing at 8 percent I need to extract the nova installer image roadrunner.image not the castle for the Pre2 correct?
Feb 27 02:27:40 <if`m> mattsmcnulty: cool, will do
Feb 27 02:29:21 <if`m> mattsmcnulty: are you at SCaLE?
Feb 27 02:30:04 <mattsmcnulty> if'm: no, I am not. this is my first saturday since early jan when the lack of a feb9 demo, MWC, and other travel means I am actually home and chill
Feb 27 02:30:14 <if`m> ah okay
Feb 27 02:30:18 <if`m> i won the pre 2 at scale
Feb 27 02:30:22 <if`m> getting a lot of stinkeye for it too
Feb 27 02:30:25 <mattsmcnulty> I got an unnatural level of satisfaction just from going to the grocery store and target
Feb 27 02:30:30 <mattsmcnulty> cool
Feb 27 02:30:32 <if`m> hahaha
Feb 27 02:31:19 <mattsmcnulty> it's a ton of work to pull off that demo in the am on the 9th, plus the script and such for my silly talk that night
Feb 27 02:33:07 <Tibfib> moment of truth on "setting" album art
Feb 27 02:33:36 <Tibfib> lol. unexpected token
Feb 27 02:33:40 <rwhitby> if`m: are, you won the Pre 2 from the demo session?
Feb 27 02:34:17 <mattsmcnulty> oh for f's sake. I ordered some stupid 5-prong-torx screwdriver to take apart my mb air and it isn't the right size
Feb 27 02:34:28 <sugardave> bogus
Feb 27 02:34:37 <if`m> rwhitby: i won it from teh raffle
Feb 27 02:35:04 <if`m> i was wearing the same shirt as the guy running the booth so i got two tickets
Feb 27 02:35:07 <if`m> and the second won
Feb 27 02:35:19 <rwhitby> if`m: HP raffle or keynot?
Feb 27 02:35:21 <rwhitby> keynote
Feb 27 02:35:24 <if`m> HP raffle
Feb 27 02:35:36 <if`m> the keynote wasn't a raffle, they gave it to some random guy who arrived late
Feb 27 02:35:42 <rwhitby> congrats
Feb 27 02:35:46 <if`m> thanks
Feb 27 02:36:13 <mattsmcnulty> if other dudes want a pre2 just ask me :-)
Feb 27 02:36:32 <if`m> seriously?
Feb 27 02:36:33 <dumbledore> so whats up what that pre2 mattsmcnulty :3
Feb 27 02:36:46 <mattsmcnulty> of course
Feb 27 02:36:46 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty has a truckload of them
Feb 27 02:36:58 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, several
Feb 27 02:37:00 <if`m> lol
Feb 27 02:37:02 <dumbledore> ;o
Feb 27 02:37:10 <dumbledore> how much you selling for
Feb 27 02:37:13 <rwhitby> but you have to rewrite your app in enyo first before he'll give you one
Feb 27 02:37:20 <mattsmcnulty> though you are probably more interested in the 5 touchpads stacked on my coffee table at the moment
Feb 27 02:37:24 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, exactly!
Feb 27 02:37:28 <if`m> do want!
Feb 27 02:37:45 <dumbledore> why do you have so much? lol
Feb 27 02:37:49 <mattsmcnulty> actually they all have 'f--k mojo' inscribed on the back
Feb 27 02:37:55 <if`m> mattsmcnulty: if you're serious, it would be a nice way to repay the people who brought me here for the ride and lodging
Feb 27 02:37:55 <dumbledore> rofl
Feb 27 02:38:01 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: placemats?
Feb 27 02:38:06 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty: I will take a touchpad :D
Feb 27 02:38:13 <mattsmcnulty> that woke up the room
Feb 27 02:38:17 <rwhitby> heh
Feb 27 02:38:18 <mattsmcnulty> if'm: email me
Feb 27 02:38:20 <sugardave> that way you can have some more space on your coffee table
Feb 27 02:38:26 <mattsmcnulty> indeed
Feb 27 02:38:28 <if`m> kay
Feb 27 02:39:03 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: did you see the screenshot of the beginnings of the Enyo Preware rewrite?
Feb 27 02:39:08 * sugardave has already re-written one app.
Feb 27 02:39:18 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: nope. going ok?
Feb 27 02:39:27 <mattsmcnulty> trying to get enyo out of NDA asap
Feb 27 02:39:35 <Tibfib> what about the 2.0 sdk?
Feb 27 02:39:36 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 27 02:39:40 <sugardave> hahaha
Feb 27 02:39:48 <mattsmcnulty> Tibfib: yeah don't remind me
Feb 27 02:40:08 <Tibfib> jms it wasn't forgotten
Feb 27 02:40:12 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: http://i51.tinypic.com/149598n.png
Feb 27 02:40:14 <Tibfib> I want to open source my 2.0 only app :)
Feb 27 02:40:20 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: (dummy data)
Feb 27 02:40:32 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: nice!
Feb 27 02:40:32 <if`m> okay so prerelease program
Feb 27 02:40:37 <if`m> i signed up on developer.palm.com
Feb 27 02:40:42 <if`m> is that it? am i in?
Feb 27 02:40:52 <Tibfib> gotta get into early access
Feb 27 02:40:54 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: oil and I need a touchpad each to get the aspect ration just right, thanks! ;)
Feb 27 02:41:01 <Tibfib> there's instructions on the forum
Feb 27 02:41:01 <mattsmcnulty> hee
Feb 27 02:41:05 <rwhitby> s/ration/ratio/
Feb 27 02:41:17 <mattsmcnulty> pdc@palm.com is I believe the email for prerelease
Feb 27 02:41:27 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: yeah I need a device to test my app too... can't use media indexing apis in chrome
Feb 27 02:41:31 <rwhitby> Preware should work quite well as a mult-panel app
Feb 27 02:41:33 <mattsmcnulty> I don't remember exactly, which is funny as it was like 20' tall behind me at feb9
Feb 27 02:41:55 <Tibfib> heh
Feb 27 02:42:06 <if`m> oh okay
Feb 27 02:43:22 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: looking up how to do the service tunneling to the device like I showed on stage
Feb 27 02:44:49 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: yeah, we still need to work out what we're going to do on the server side of things so that people just get some json with the changes to the feeds since last time they synced, rather than the whole feed data each time.
Feb 27 02:45:05 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: try including "$enyo-lib/webos/webos-bridge" in your depends?
Feb 27 02:45:15 <mattsmcnulty> should make it magically "just work"
Feb 27 02:45:20 <rwhitby> we were hoping there would be some funky db8<->couchDb integration, but haven't seen anything yet.
Feb 27 02:45:21 <mattsmcnulty> if we included the right stuff in the sdk
Feb 27 02:45:40 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: yep, we took a look at that.
Feb 27 02:45:56 <mattsmcnulty> we have some example apps if you are interested
Feb 27 02:46:40 <mattsmcnulty> it's pretty awesome
Feb 27 02:46:48 <oil> the problem with db8 was the size limitations though
Feb 27 02:47:01 <mattsmcnulty> though the damn demo didn't work in barcelona
Feb 27 02:47:07 <haeffb> that was the problem, wasn't it
Feb 27 02:47:14 <mattsmcnulty> ?
Feb 27 02:47:24 <oil> limited to 20mb for all apps or something like that
Feb 27 02:47:34 <haeffb> or so we heard thru a grapevine
Feb 27 02:47:48 <rwhitby> well, the partition is 140MB for db8 stuff.
Feb 27 02:47:50 <mattsmcnulty> haeffb: hmm?
Feb 27 02:47:58 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, don't get me started on db8
Feb 27 02:47:59 * sugardave is having problems following this conversation.
Feb 27 02:48:14 <haeffb> mattsmcnulty: I'm really not allowed to discuss it here...
Feb 27 02:48:18 <rwhitby> so if Preware uses 25MB just for feed data, and other apps do that too, there won't be much room left for system db8 stuff
Feb 27 02:48:28 <oil> so we're going to use html5db/sqlite for the package lists
Feb 27 02:48:34 * rwhitby is discussing info from public doctors
Feb 27 02:48:45 <mattsmcnulty> I could honestly care less
Feb 27 02:49:01 <mattsmcnulty> regarding what can be discussed. though I know that is not something public ;-)
Feb 27 02:49:42 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: so the talk back when 2.0 and db8 was announced was that apps could easily sync with couchdb servers and stuff, but I haven't seen anything about that since.
Feb 27 02:49:47 * haeffb trying to decide whether to activate pre- 2 instead of this one that wifi doesn't work
Feb 27 02:50:19 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: no idea
Feb 27 02:50:22 <haeffb> rwhitby: wifi is on the comms board, correct?
Feb 27 02:50:34 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: so we'll probably do the sync manually between a local sqlite db instead of db8, and just use db8 for the just type integration
Feb 27 02:50:39 <mattsmcnulty> I'm an enterprise db dude
Feb 27 02:50:42 <mattsmcnulty> I like sql
Feb 27 02:50:56 * Tibfib really likes db8
Feb 27 02:51:01 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: oh, you haven't jumped on the nosql bandwagon?
Feb 27 02:51:06 <mattsmcnulty> nope
Feb 27 02:51:12 <mattsmcnulty> I think sql makes a lot of sense
Feb 27 02:52:31 <rwhitby> I can see why you're not a db8 evangelist then :)
Feb 27 02:52:50 <mattsmcnulty> I know this is probably wrong
Feb 27 02:52:52 <mattsmcnulty> but oh well
Feb 27 02:53:12 <mattsmcnulty> nosql makes more sense on th eweb
Feb 27 02:53:50 <mattsmcnulty> btw, preware screenshot looks awesome
Feb 27 02:54:18 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: all oil's work. I just copy his code after he works out how to make sense of the SDK's you guys release.
Feb 27 02:54:28 <mattsmcnulty> nice
Feb 27 02:54:50 <haeffb> rwhitby: wifi is on the comms board, correct?
Feb 27 02:54:59 <rwhitby> I never really learnt mojo, so I have less to forget for enyo :)
Feb 27 02:55:05 <sugardave> nosql and sql each have different things they are great at, imo
Feb 27 02:55:09 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: that helps
Feb 27 02:55:26 <mattsmcnulty> mmm ordering food
Feb 27 02:56:37 <rwhitby> hmm lunchtime here too :)
Feb 27 02:58:43 <mattsmcnulty> mmmm http://www.lunaparksf.com/menu/dinner
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