**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 02 02:59:57 2011 Mar 02 03:11:52 any opinion on Enyo yet? Mar 02 03:14:25 "awesome" Mar 02 03:25:41 Enyo is [redacted] and I really like how you [redacted] and its [redacted] Mar 02 03:26:10 heh, no Fox News in Canada since they Mar 02 03:26:10 Mar 02 03:26:28 have a law against lying on broadcast news Mar 02 03:27:15 Is node.js running on webos or is that bs? Mar 02 03:27:32 Read somewhere it was being used for services. Mar 02 03:27:35 it's running on webOS Mar 02 03:28:10 That is pretty freak'n sweet Mar 02 03:37:11 * haeffb wants a Touchpad!!! Mar 02 03:37:26 who doesnt? Mar 02 03:37:30 * haeffb will stamp my feet and hold my breath until I get one!!! Mar 02 03:37:47 gkatsev: stupid people. Mar 02 03:37:47 * gkatsev prepares a coffic Mar 02 03:37:52 coffin Mar 02 03:38:08 hay Mar 02 03:38:32 * haeffb needs an idea for a new app to write using the new [redacted] framework from HP/Palm Mar 02 03:38:38 tibfib: ping! Mar 02 03:38:53 new framework? Enyo? Mar 02 03:39:05 no, no. Not enyo Mar 02 03:39:11 it's [redacted] Mar 02 03:39:12 then what? Mar 02 03:39:15 preferably one that will be super-simple to write and maintain, but will sell millions of copies Mar 02 03:39:27 any ideas, guys? Mar 02 03:39:30 haeffb: I have an idea Mar 02 03:39:32 PM? Mar 02 03:39:44 its something I already started on Mar 02 03:39:51 in Mojo though... Mar 02 03:40:03 and its somewhat simple Mar 02 03:40:08 you have my permission to PM me. Mar 02 03:40:12 :) Mar 02 03:40:24 fwiw, he's 15 :P Mar 02 03:40:42 yes, I know. That's why he has to ask for permission. Mar 02 03:40:47 haha Mar 02 03:40:53 lol Mar 02 03:41:06 well, some channels require it and I'm tired :p Mar 02 03:41:10 and check PM Mar 02 03:41:31 I usually just ignore random PMs if the questions are totally innane Mar 02 03:41:45 lol Mar 02 03:42:00 if they are reasonable questions that don't take less than one second to google, I may or may not answer. Mar 02 03:42:08 I just ignore all pms Mar 02 03:42:29 I ignore most questions too Mar 02 03:43:16 In general, if I've written something on a wiki or in a forum post before, then I try hard to make the person find that rather than writing it again. Mar 02 03:43:34 * haeffb finally realizes why rwhitby never talks to me. Mar 02 03:43:53 /ignore #webos ALL/.*\?*.*/ (not really) Mar 02 03:44:41 lol Mar 02 03:45:01 what does that do? Mar 02 03:45:02 it's rwhitby's custom ignore Mar 02 03:45:06 ignore everything? Mar 02 03:45:19 really, it doesn't do anything. Mar 02 03:45:34 I was implying that it runs the regex against everything and ignores anything matching it Mar 02 03:45:38 oh.. lol Mar 02 03:46:01 I think the best way to ignore a whole channe is via /part Mar 02 03:46:08 it's probably funny to people who understand regex Mar 02 03:46:23 * sugardave doesn't laugh. Mar 02 03:46:28 who doesn't understand regex? Mar 02 03:46:37 haha Mar 02 03:46:41 * PatrickC_Pre raises hand Mar 02 03:46:42 now THAT'S funny Mar 02 03:46:56 you mean to tell me there are people who are born not knowing regex? Mar 02 03:47:06 regex must die Mar 02 03:47:08 I understand regex enough to know I have to spend an hour reading the stupid page about it again every time I use it Mar 02 03:47:19 lol Mar 02 03:47:30 I've used vim and the :s command to know regex Mar 02 03:47:40 Also, I've taken a Theory of Computation course Mar 02 03:47:55 brb Mar 02 03:47:59 xkcd.com/208 Mar 02 03:48:29 they're so regular Mar 02 03:50:42 oh, actually, I can do that. Mar 02 03:51:44 but can you break into a lock-on-startup OS/2 machine when the owner has died and nobody knows the password? Mar 02 03:51:51 /ignore -regexp -pattern '.*\?*.*' * PUBLIC Mar 02 03:51:59 that actually will probably work Mar 02 03:58:27 haeffb: check PM :) Mar 02 04:00:19 here's a better one: Mar 02 04:00:42 /ignore -regexp -pattern '.*\?*.*|getAgeOfUser()>18' * PUBLIC Mar 02 04:00:48 sadly that doesn't work :P Mar 02 04:01:21 ignore me? Mar 02 04:01:22 why? Mar 02 04:01:23 lol Mar 02 04:01:27 /ignore -regexp -pattern '.*\?*.*|getAgeOfUser()>18|[^isIdiot()]' * PUBLIC Mar 02 04:01:32 (j/k) Mar 02 04:01:34 there, perfect. Mar 02 04:01:42 what ever :p Mar 02 04:01:56 I guess the age thing can be taken out. Mar 02 04:02:04 /ignore -regexp -pattern '.*\?*.*|[^isIdiot()]' * PUBLIC Mar 02 04:02:14 hay! Mar 02 04:02:19 (j/k) Mar 02 04:02:29 lol Mar 02 04:02:37 I wasn't calling you an idiot Mar 02 04:02:39 blatantly. Mar 02 04:02:40 lol Mar 02 04:02:45 ... Mar 02 04:02:48 lol Mar 02 04:02:54 :P Mar 02 04:03:25 gkatsev: android or iOS? Mar 02 04:03:35 android Mar 02 04:03:48 I thought so Mar 02 04:03:55 how are the dev tools? Mar 02 04:04:11 idk Mar 02 04:04:34 what do you mean "idk" don't you use them :p Mar 02 04:04:35 haven't had time to play around with that since getting android Mar 02 04:04:46 :o Mar 02 04:04:53 did you pay the $25? Mar 02 04:04:57 I'm a college student with a part time job and a girlfriend. Mar 02 04:04:59 no. Mar 02 04:05:14 and doing other stuff. Mar 02 04:05:22 like web apps Mar 02 04:05:30 gkatsev.com/gameoflife.js/index.html Mar 02 04:05:40 web apps is where it's at Mar 02 04:05:59 girlfriend > all Mar 02 04:06:09 though, I should add touchdown and touchmove events and it should work on android Mar 02 04:06:10 tell that to my wife Mar 02 04:06:35 well, my gf goes to school about 1.1 hours drive away. Mar 02 04:07:08 brb Mar 02 04:07:38 wife == girlfriend ++ Mar 02 04:08:04 halfhalo: clearly to sugardave, wife != girlfriend. Mar 02 04:08:29 any of you who are not married will come to that realization eventually Mar 02 04:10:19 wife != girlfriend ++ Mar 02 04:11:24 sometimes, if you're really really lucky, you get to have your cake and eat it, too Mar 02 04:12:37 I've made cake before. And ate it. Mar 02 04:13:42 not necessarily in that order Mar 02 04:15:35 rwhitby: can I count on your support if/when I need a community vote for dev relations engineer? Mar 02 04:15:38 :D Mar 02 04:16:03 * rwhitby in noncommmital Mar 02 04:16:07 s/in/is/ Mar 02 04:16:11 booo Mar 02 04:16:14 hehe Mar 02 04:16:24 in other news.... my dvr is now showing remote recordings Mar 02 04:17:05 which is strange... since its the only one ON the network Mar 02 04:20:17 halfhalo: quit watching my movies. Mar 02 04:21:14 its not a movie... its Castle Mar 02 04:38:28 haeffb: check PM :) Mar 02 04:39:21 how is everyone? Mar 02 04:40:20 Hallo. Mar 02 04:41:20 how's it goin CardShark? Mar 02 04:41:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHGrA0cUBLQ Mar 02 04:41:43 Not too bad. Yourself? Mar 02 04:41:48 I just made that video Mar 02 04:41:53 lol Mar 02 04:42:25 good Mar 02 04:42:40 Good to hear. Mar 02 04:42:46 I just have to figure out cookies.... Mar 02 04:42:47 grrr Mar 02 04:42:54 they are making me mad! lol Mar 02 04:42:57 LOL Mar 02 04:43:05 You have to bake them long enough, and don't use too much flour. Mar 02 04:43:15 lol Mar 02 04:43:27 you know what I mean... Mar 02 04:43:31 :) Mar 02 04:43:38 I'm afraid I do. Mar 02 04:43:53 * halfhalo has a choice.... program or crysis2 Mar 02 04:43:56 you use them? Mar 02 04:44:02 crysis2 definatly Mar 02 04:44:25 gaa!! windows is forcing reboot!! Mar 02 04:45:44 wha? you use windows? Mar 02 04:45:53 he gone Mar 02 04:45:54 highfive Mar 02 04:46:12 * PatrickC_Pre gives halfhalo a highfive! Mar 02 04:47:03 cookies and DOM are terrible Mar 02 04:47:11 localStorage ftw! Mar 02 04:47:13 mebe Mar 02 04:47:15 I don't like cookies anymore Mar 02 04:47:34 can I use localStorage for a Metrix toggle? Mar 02 04:47:56 localStorage is basically a sqlight db, I think Mar 02 04:48:07 actually, let me double check that Mar 02 04:48:42 I don't know how to use SQLite :p Mar 02 04:49:55 oh, nvm Mar 02 04:50:03 localStorage is just a keyValue store Mar 02 04:50:10 ? Mar 02 04:50:12 lol Mar 02 04:50:14 but it has an actually usable API Mar 02 04:50:33 key-value store, a hash, a dictionary Mar 02 04:50:33 * PatrickC_Pre needs to look up the Flickr API Mar 02 04:50:34 http://diveintohtml5.org/storage.html Mar 02 04:52:55 you make a cookie object, try to open it, if successful, it contains whatever data you stored in it, if unsuccessful there is no cookie...writing to a cookie overwrites it completely Mar 02 04:53:05 that's pretty much it Mar 02 04:53:06 oh Mar 02 04:53:28 and cookies are synchronous, so they are great to use if you want to make sure you have finished getting some data before execution of other code Mar 02 04:53:29 yeah, as I said, localStorage has a usable API Mar 02 04:53:45 localStorage is likely asynchronous Mar 02 04:53:51 sugardave, I still can't get it to work... Mar 02 04:53:55 it sounds like Depot Mar 02 04:54:25 PatrickC_Pre: well, that sucks because I KNOW there are at least one or two really good resources on Cookies at webos101 Mar 02 04:56:08 I'm going to just post the app when ready (waiting on stuff I have no power over) and then worry about cookies Mar 02 04:57:24 so you're just going to collect data on people and have no opt-in capability? Mar 02 04:57:45 no, no data Collection till I can figure out cookies Mar 02 04:57:55 I'm going to omit that till I can get cookies working Mar 02 04:58:14 localStorage ftw Mar 02 05:01:49 * PatrickC_Pre is hoping the Flickr API isn't too hard Mar 02 05:17:22 anyone here know about multistage apps? Mar 02 05:19:13 of course they don't have a javascript kit... Mar 02 05:25:55 * halfhalo debates sticking ssd into deskytop Mar 02 05:26:21 do it Mar 02 05:27:02 but I'm lazy and dunno if an extra sata cord is still there Mar 02 05:27:45 too lazy to check if you have the right cord? Mar 02 05:28:42 yes Mar 02 05:30:29 where would I find stuff on mediadb? Mar 02 05:36:43 nowhere outside of an NDA at the moment. Mar 02 05:37:25 hmm didn't know that was NDA sorry Mar 02 05:40:45 * phil_bw wanders by in a sleepy haze Mar 02 05:41:38 hay phil_bw Mar 02 05:41:48 evenin' PatrickC_Pre Mar 02 05:42:04 how's it goin? Mar 02 05:42:25 going alright, making good progress in my game engine so that's fun Mar 02 05:42:55 nice Mar 02 05:43:07 wish I could say the same about my 3 apps :/ Mar 02 05:43:07 got it down to one line of code to draw an image at specified coordinates Mar 02 05:43:17 cool Mar 02 05:43:38 indeed, still merging my OpenGL stuff in to my SDL stuff Mar 02 05:43:45 it can be mind numbing at times Mar 02 05:43:49 over my head :p Mar 02 05:43:57 over mine half the time Mar 02 05:44:09 lol Mar 02 05:44:16 you working with Mojo? Mar 02 05:44:19 cookies are over my head right now... Mar 02 05:44:20 yea Mar 02 05:44:42 don't get too cozy with Mojo with Enyo on the horizon Mar 02 05:44:43 I like Ares better :p Mar 02 05:44:50 Ares frustrated me Mar 02 05:45:07 Ares == easy living :) Mar 02 05:45:58 I had an Ares app in the works Mar 02 05:46:07 it got frustrating so I switched to mojo and made more progress Mar 02 05:46:19 then got bored with that and moved to C++ Mar 02 05:46:23 me an mojo aren't the best of friends :p Mar 02 06:06:39 hello Mar 02 06:07:40 hay Mar 02 06:08:36 I'm trying this over wifi. does it work over 3G? (wIRC) Mar 02 06:09:14 yep Mar 02 06:09:17 works wonders Mar 02 06:09:28 I find 3G works better for wirc tha wifi Mar 02 06:09:30 *than Mar 02 06:09:40 I mainly use wifi Mar 02 06:09:59 probably depends on your carrier and how far you wander from wifi Mar 02 06:10:23 ok. I was trying to connect to a server I've been using for years. wasn't working until I connected to here first. Mar 02 06:10:24 no... for me it depends solely on whether or not my phone goes to sleep Mar 02 06:10:54 if I'm on wifi and it goes to sleep my connection drops. if I'm on 3G I keep my connection but my battery sucks Mar 02 06:11:11 ragingmind: is it set to drop wifi when it goes to sleep? Mar 02 06:11:32 srry to ask such a simple question, but lol Mar 02 06:11:54 PatrickC_Pre, I've tried both settings for the wifi Mar 02 06:12:06 weird Mar 02 06:12:08 but I normally keep it set to keep wifi on while it sleeps Mar 02 06:12:47 speaking of that setting... Mar 02 06:13:12 it says on while sleeping saves battery life? Mar 02 06:13:31 I think off while sleeping sales batt life Mar 02 06:13:38 that seemed counter-intuitive... Mar 02 06:13:54 why? Mar 02 06:13:56 (2.0.1) Mar 02 06:14:20 that's what I want to know Mar 02 06:14:28 dwc-: wifi is more power efficient than cellular data, believe it or not. Mar 02 06:14:39 I think he meant on while sleeping saving was counterintuitive. Mar 02 06:15:02 bull: yes Mar 02 06:15:13 yep, data transfers happen in the background while you think the phone is "sleeping" Mar 02 06:15:30 and those are more power efficient over wifi Mar 02 06:15:53 but wirc doesn't like hold on to my connection on wifi while my phone sleeps Mar 02 06:16:14 oh... I get it Mar 02 06:16:23 sounds like your wifi is flakey then Mar 02 06:16:25 it's been suggested I update the firmware on my router, but there isn't an upate, and it's happened on 2 other networks Mar 02 06:16:47 mmm.... 300MB/s read.... Mar 02 06:16:49 the assumption is I have a sim card and data plan Mar 02 06:16:55 I've tested on 3 networks so far and I get the same behavior on all 3 Mar 02 06:18:25 night all Mar 02 06:18:26 for me, if the wifi is off, there is no fallback to cellular yet :p Mar 02 06:18:41 night Mar 02 06:20:10 halfhalo, new ssd? Mar 02 06:23:58 Orithma: you and your boy SineOt need to get that leaf.ly github project up and going Mar 02 06:24:33 not so much new as "finally sticking in desktop" ssd Mar 02 06:26:27 sugardave, yeah, I think we're going to be moving a bunch of projects around this weekend Mar 02 06:26:39 make it so Mar 02 06:26:45 the question is.... why did I close up the case when I unplugged all the data cables save for the ssd for boot Mar 02 06:26:47 Didn't know you were a fellow enthusiast :P Mar 02 06:27:12 halo, sweet Mar 02 06:27:17 it's one of life's dirty little secrets Mar 02 06:28:05 hah Mar 02 06:28:32 Only if it comes from south of the border >:\ Mar 02 07:11:26 anyone mind helping me install sdk .. im on a new linux box (fedora) and the instructions are crazy Mar 02 07:13:23 ? Mar 02 07:14:50 i will download tomorrow .. this connection at super 8 sucks Mar 02 07:15:09 MetaView- i just installed fedora so im not on ubuntu anymore Mar 02 07:15:12 i want to install sdk Mar 02 07:16:33 why not ubuntu then? :D Mar 02 07:16:43 it's easy install of sdk there.. Mar 02 07:16:55 and u won't get anything nasty or special from fedora Mar 02 07:19:22 never installed it, but what's the problem? Mar 02 07:19:32 i never installed it on fedora Mar 02 07:19:38 i had ubuntu but i was bored of the distro Mar 02 07:19:39 :D Mar 02 07:19:42 now im on a new one Mar 02 07:19:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MojoSDK_on_Fedora Mar 02 07:19:56 i already have guide Mar 02 07:19:59 should be similar Mar 02 07:20:17 i will wait .. this connection is slow Mar 02 07:22:14 I do think it's odd they're having you extract and manually install the .debs Mar 02 07:22:54 but further down the page have you install alien... wonder if it doesn't convert correctly for some reason Mar 02 07:22:59 why not use alien? Mar 02 07:23:38 oh Mar 02 07:24:02 yea, that's what I was wondering Mar 02 07:24:12 yeah, I wonder Mar 02 07:24:30 it's possible that it doesn't work correctly for this deb Mar 02 09:16:24 hi all I have changed a setting on my pixi(sprint) and now I have a phone icon with 9 dots under it .I believe I changed something in phone services at some point to change it to that but I cannot seem to be able to figure out where I did so Mar 02 09:17:30 What do you mean 9 dots under it? Mar 02 09:17:56 Sorry; better question is do you have a screenshot or something? Mar 02 09:18:09 shortcut for screenshot? Mar 02 09:19:12 SHould be Orange+Sym+P Mar 02 09:19:56 pixi so no orange here but I do have a white lol Mar 02 09:21:20 not seeming to do it Mar 02 09:22:30 nvm it works Mar 02 09:23:56 dang thing froze up on me Mar 02 09:25:43 isnt working for me,I am going to have to doctor it Mar 02 09:26:17 do you know if there are any webos events planned in europe? Mar 02 09:26:18 tho the doctor didnt change the icon I am talking about last time I done it Mar 02 09:27:10 its a phone image (old home type handset) then 3 rows of ooo under it Mar 02 09:28:06 It's a different icon than the normal phone icon? Mar 02 09:28:43 yeah Mar 02 09:29:20 it appeared about a month ago when I changed something like sprint only or something like that I believe Mar 02 09:29:40 Maybe you replaced the image file for the phone icon? I don't think any phone settings will affect that icon... Mar 02 09:29:44 I change that now and nothing changes so thats probably not it Mar 02 09:29:50 But I could be wrong. Mar 02 09:31:39 I am thinking it was changed when I had a "device menu" patch then i went to the doctor and this device menu patch may not have the option to change whatever I changed or something Mar 02 09:32:24 Maybe. I'm not sure what patch changes that. You can probably re-install/remove the patch to fix it. Mar 02 09:32:40 am one that shouldnt be messing with this stuff but I cant resist lol Mar 02 09:34:09 last time I doctored I thought I messed up the phone cause I couldnt install preware,but through help here I was told I needed to enter dev mode lol Mar 02 09:34:18 I'd say go through the patches you think you might have had and see if you find one that looks right. Mar 02 09:34:51 when going to the doctorshould I uninstall patches first? Mar 02 09:38:02 If you're trying to get everything back to normal entirely, and the last time you doctor'd it didn't remove something, I'd say you should try running the emergency patch removal/recovery/whatever its called first Mar 02 09:39:27 kk thanks,I think thats what I need to do Mar 02 09:39:51 I need to get back to stock so I can get away from stock lol Mar 02 09:43:17 http://cid-312860d9d8a0a2a4.office.live.com/self.aspx/Photos/preware^_2011-02-03^_042755.png Mar 02 09:43:25 theres a screenshot Mar 02 09:43:48 found them via usb mode,couldnt find it in photoroll Mar 02 09:44:06 Ohhhh, THAT phone icon. Mar 02 09:44:24 yeah,its ugly as heck lol Mar 02 09:44:25 I thought you meant the phone launcher icon Mar 02 09:44:49 oh sorry,I didnt know how to state it more clearly Mar 02 09:45:28 I wasnt thinking there was other phone icons cause that was the one on my brain so hard lol Mar 02 09:50:16 Ah. Go into phone preferences and turn off tty Mar 02 09:50:36 wow you are beyond amazing Mar 02 09:51:20 that as it,but you already knew that lol Mar 02 09:51:38 what is tty anyway? Mar 02 09:51:46 Blame google. "webos phone icons dots" gave me a precentral forum post with a fix :-) Mar 02 09:52:02 It's for hearing-impaired phoning Mar 02 09:52:12 Personal teletype or something. Mar 02 09:52:22 for real,you googled web os phone dots lol Mar 02 09:53:26 its sad cause people are all the time askingme computer stuff and I mostly tell them to google something and its the fix and I dont use my own advice here Mar 02 09:56:10 Glad I could help. I'm gonna go to bed... G'nite all! Mar 02 09:56:36 night bro,I appreciate the help,you made y phone prettier Mar 02 10:32:17 hi all Mar 02 10:40:18 is there any open source webos games - DOM based or otherwise Mar 02 10:42:27 can someone please explain this to me ? Mar 02 10:42:30 Set the phone to minimal logging. Enter ##LOGS# into the phone app and choose minimal Mar 02 10:42:53 from my understanding I would "dial" that Mar 02 10:43:03 but that doesn't do anything Mar 02 10:44:29 I just doctored and I am trying to do all the mportant speed up patches from the get go Mar 02 10:45:06 in my theory thngs will go smoother if the phone has less on its plate when doing important stuff Mar 02 10:50:05 you do "dial" it Mar 02 10:50:37 do not spell logs out normal tho,you do it in old phone number per letter format Mar 02 10:51:31 hi all Mar 02 10:52:14 hi Lichtlos Mar 02 10:52:18 has anyone a goog "how to" video of webos? I want to send my pre minus to my old mother. =) Mar 02 10:52:25 goog/good Mar 02 10:54:54 any promovideos you can recommend? Mar 02 10:55:41 I dont know of any Mar 02 10:55:57 "old mother"? Mar 02 10:56:32 as in old in age or as in old ,not any longer your mother? Mar 02 10:56:36 yeah, not that "old" but i just want to minimize transition time Mar 02 10:56:55 sry, I should have been more clear Mar 02 10:57:17 its all good Mar 02 10:57:41 you can youtube vids and findsomething you might like I guess Mar 02 10:58:48 DJNomad: I do, but most of the videos I've found are either blurry or unboxing videos that take an eternity to watch :/ Mar 02 10:59:14 oic Mar 02 11:00:05 would be nice to have a screenshot program to do videos I guess Mar 02 11:00:24 DJNomad: is there a vncserver for the pre? Mar 02 11:00:40 Lichtlos: did you get a new phone or something? Mar 02 11:00:47 then maybe I'll take some time and do it myself :) Mar 02 11:01:10 Lichtlos: I am not really too familiar with things Mar 02 11:01:19 DJNomad: well, I'm expecting a new pre2, hopeflly Mar 02 11:01:26 +u Mar 02 11:01:53 nice,I got a pixi- Mar 02 11:02:16 wish sprint had wifi,makes no sense why they do not have it Mar 02 11:02:20 DJNomad: I swicth between pre- and iPhone4 (work) Mar 02 11:02:36 DJNomad: oh dear, I read about that. It's a shame Mar 02 11:03:40 my cousin has a iphone 4,I keep on telin him myu pixi is better and I do have him envying me on my navigation and nascar pitt pass Mar 02 11:04:17 he said he has to pay $100 for tom tom navigation on his phone Mar 02 11:04:49 DJNomad: in germany, t-mobile offers a free version of navigon for their customers Mar 02 11:05:06 but since I've got no car to drive, I don't care about navigation that much ;) Mar 02 11:05:07 I told him we need to jailbreak it but he said not on a $400 PHONE Mar 02 11:05:25 DJNomad: iPhone w/o jailbreak: boring Mar 02 11:06:14 Lichtlos: ts still fun to play with..I have no car but get to use it w cousin and last night another cousin havent talked to in years asked me where I lived and I sent a message from my gps Mar 02 11:06:29 Lichtlos: thats what I told him Mar 02 11:06:41 but jailbreaking for piracy sucks Mar 02 11:07:21 that's what I like about webOS: freedom in the way you access your _own_ data Mar 02 11:07:34 is jailbreaking as easy as we have it on webos?? Mar 02 11:08:45 DJNomad: depends on your time/effort. but in general: yes Mar 02 11:09:32 but you have to use third party tools and their quality tends to differ -.- Mar 02 11:10:15 and seriously: using the konamicode just rocks :D Mar 02 11:11:38 yes but I remember a select in there Mar 02 11:12:11 I remember putting tht code in wayy back in the day playing contra Mar 02 12:06:44 Hmm.. Whenever I open "Music" it just sits there with a spinner, forever.. Annoying Mar 02 14:13:24 ello Mar 02 15:34:49 what's up? Mar 02 15:39:28 * sugardave wills HR to choo-choo-choose him. Mar 02 15:41:21 protip: ctrl+r does nothing in IRC Mar 02 15:45:40 is there a way to create a ipkg from within the eclipse extension ? Mar 02 15:46:14 you mean "ipk"? Mar 02 15:46:27 SimpsonCH: for some reason, it seems the Eclipse plugin deletes the .ipk after installing it, so you can just do palm-package by hand on the directory where your source files are Mar 02 15:46:57 sugardave, okay Mar 02 15:47:08 I figured sugardave would answer :p Mar 02 15:47:25 he know all (and I don't use Eclipse :p ) Mar 02 15:47:58 so, how's it goin sugardave? Mar 02 15:49:21 sugardave, pretty simple to 'create' a build script I guess Mar 02 15:49:51 SimpsonCH: sure, basically you want to do palm-package;palm-install;palm-launch Mar 02 15:50:06 I don't palm-launch Mar 02 15:50:12 to much typin :p Mar 02 15:51:54 sugardave, no I only wanna package to share with my team Mar 02 15:52:05 palm-package Mar 02 15:52:06 and palm-kill Mar 02 15:52:13 palm-kill? Mar 02 15:52:21 haven't heard of that one yet :p Mar 02 15:52:41 WP7 sdk takes forever to install..... Mar 02 15:53:09 been installing since close to 9am CST Mar 02 15:53:16 its almost 10am Mar 02 15:53:23 SimpsonCH: so yeah, just palm-package [dir where appinfo is] Mar 02 15:53:34 will create an .ipk in your current working directory Mar 02 15:53:43 k Mar 02 15:53:52 or "cd" into the directory where it is Mar 02 15:54:02 then palm-package "folder-name" Mar 02 15:54:55 pretty neat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSH392Gxaho&feature=youtu.be Mar 02 15:55:29 but that requires internet doesn't it? Mar 02 15:55:53 uh yeah Mar 02 15:56:08 that doesn't help me :p Mar 02 15:56:16 not the youtube link.. Mar 02 15:56:19 but the program Mar 02 15:57:06 hui Mar 02 15:57:14 hay metaview Mar 02 15:57:15 how can you be a serious web developer and not have Internet access? Mar 02 15:57:20 that seems dumb Mar 02 15:57:30 I do, just not on my laptop Mar 02 15:57:41 and I do most my coding on my laptop Mar 02 15:58:00 why would you not have Internet access on your development machine? Mar 02 15:58:36 cause it has 168MB RAM, 15GB HDD, and a P3 processor Mar 02 15:59:07 and it is ancient, so no wifi Mar 02 15:59:15 and it has SP2, so no tethering Mar 02 15:59:17 168 MB? Mar 02 15:59:22 yep Mar 02 15:59:38 this will hardly be enough for windows, or? Mar 02 15:59:40 don't forget he's also 15 Mar 02 15:59:50 XP Pro Mar 02 15:59:56 * sugardave has multiple PCMCIA 802.11b adapters lying around somewhere. Mar 02 15:59:59 oh, I thought win85 Mar 02 16:00:03 er, 95 Mar 02 16:00:06 I think you can get them for like $5 now Mar 02 16:00:07 lol Mar 02 16:00:08 you might try a small linux distro Mar 02 16:00:17 damn small linux Mar 02 16:00:25 puppy linux is pretty good Mar 02 16:00:27 I have tons of them, just don't want o install as I'm trying to get a new one Mar 02 16:00:33 you can also just do a minimal install of ubuntu Mar 02 16:00:38 via the alt disc Mar 02 16:00:45 if I fix it, there is no reason to get a new one :) Mar 02 16:00:52 wrong Mar 02 16:01:00 you can't fix a P3 processor at home without a shop Mar 02 16:01:00 PatrickC_Pre: turn the time back for 6 month and write PDK app, you might get a Envy ;) Mar 02 16:01:06 128MB RAM is enough reason Mar 02 16:01:22 hmm can't get a builder to work for the project.. Mar 02 16:01:25 640KB is enough, for anyone Mar 02 16:01:26 168 MB Ram Mar 02 16:01:36 how do you get 168? Mar 02 16:01:37 is it a 256 stick? Mar 02 16:01:43 for enyone of the 4 or 5 people who really need a personal computer Mar 02 16:02:06 maybe it's 128+64 Mar 02 16:02:15 wow Mar 02 16:02:17 idk how it got 168.. but that's what it has Mar 02 16:02:34 128+64 is a posiblity, with XP taking some for video Mar 02 16:02:40 192 - onboard video ram Mar 02 16:02:41 yeah Mar 02 16:03:00 it has a 6xx MHz processor... Mar 02 16:03:08 my phone is faster then my laptop =/ Mar 02 16:03:11 lol Mar 02 16:03:29 I'm sorry. Mar 02 16:03:51 well, I bought my wife a cheapy laptop 2 years ago with 1 GB RAM, and a modern processor all for under $500 Mar 02 16:04:10 it even has an optical burner AND wireless NIC Mar 02 16:04:14 I have a core i7 machine and one core i5m laptop and one core 2 duo laptop and one atom netbook and a 1GHz snapdragon phone. Mar 02 16:04:29 I have one core duo 2, I like it Mar 02 16:04:35 you can literally get a better machine for like $300 Mar 02 16:04:39 I want an i7, likely won't be getting one for a while Mar 02 16:05:11 get one of the lower end i7 Mar 02 16:05:51 I have the core i7 2.8GHz, Mar 02 16:06:03 I've only gone above 25% cpu usage like twice Mar 02 16:06:11 nice Mar 02 16:06:11 and one of the times was video encoding Mar 02 16:06:21 usually it's like 2 or 3 % Mar 02 16:06:32 if I get the dev rel position, I'll see if HP will get me one ;) Mar 02 16:06:37 wanna share? Mar 02 16:06:38 :) Mar 02 16:06:52 then you will give me one too, right sugardave? Mar 02 16:06:57 uh, no Mar 02 16:06:58 PatrickC_Pre: no, one of them is my work laptop. The other is my media center machine. Mar 02 16:07:10 * MetaView reminds to be kind to sugardave Mar 02 16:07:19 why not sugardave? don't you like me :p Mar 02 16:07:32 what have I done mean to you? Mar 02 16:07:33 PatrickC_Pre: find 10 neighbors to mow lawns for at $30 per, then go to Wal-Mart...problem solved Mar 02 16:07:43 you always help me :) Mar 02 16:07:52 I'm helping you now Mar 02 16:07:58 offering creative solutions Mar 02 16:08:20 or win raffle and get a HP laptop with 2.x GHz and 4GB RAM Mar 02 16:08:33 man, WP7 people sure aren't helpfull.... Mar 02 16:08:44 my plan is guaranteed to result in a laptop Mar 02 16:09:20 is there a solution to bring ogg to webos? Mar 02 16:09:21 but I have to wait a few months for that... Mar 02 16:09:24 I want it now? Mar 02 16:09:33 s/?/:)/ Mar 02 16:09:42 borrow $300 from your parents? Mar 02 16:09:51 PatrickC_Pre: live in the south, my yard is about a week away from needing to be mowed Mar 02 16:10:24 they won't give it to me, and even though I'm farther north then you sugardave, I'm still farther south Mar 02 16:10:32 squeeze $300 from the church you're writing the app for Mar 02 16:11:11 naa.. I will make it in my flickr search app Mar 02 16:11:14 maybe... Mar 02 16:11:18 get an advance? Mar 02 16:11:18 there's a billion ways to NOT get the $300...you have to come up with only one to get the $300 Mar 02 16:11:37 apps Mar 02 16:11:39 apps Mar 02 16:11:41 and more Mar 02 16:11:42 apps Mar 02 16:11:47 (and sugardave) Mar 02 16:11:50 that will take longer than mowing lawns Mar 02 16:12:24 but there are only like 10 people in my neighborhood Mar 02 16:12:34 and they all already have a lawn service.... Mar 02 16:12:37 lol Mar 02 16:12:38 next neighborhood over? Mar 02 16:13:07 about 5 Mi down the road Mar 02 16:13:11 wash cars, trim bushes, paint garage doors....pretend like you're a kid from the 50s Mar 02 16:13:15 I live in the country :p Mar 02 16:13:18 lol Mar 02 16:13:23 or.... Mar 02 16:13:23 well, 5mi is only a two hour walk or so Mar 02 16:13:30 (just ask sugardave) Mar 02 16:13:33 sell shit on eBay Mar 02 16:14:14 sell my computer to the "Computer Museum" Mar 02 16:14:31 [08:10 AM] there's a billion ways to NOT get the $300...you have to come up with only one to get the $300 Mar 02 16:14:59 man, that guy is wise Mar 02 16:15:25 I know Mar 02 16:15:32 who is this "sugardave"? Mar 02 16:17:49 I had a halfway decent desktop Mar 02 16:17:51 ... Mar 02 16:18:00 then got monitor taken away :'( Mar 02 16:22:20 bbl Mar 02 17:49:45 hello Mar 02 17:49:58 i watched the intro to Enyo video last week Mar 02 17:50:21 the video touted how much simpler Enyo's layout engine was to deal with, as compared to HTML Mar 02 17:50:24 this terrifies me Mar 02 17:50:36 does WebOS really not use web technology for rendering? Mar 02 17:51:03 is it still possible to use good ole HTML to make apps in WebOS, or is Enyo's new component-based system the only way to build apps in WebOS? Mar 02 17:52:14 Enyo focuses more on using JS to process simpler HTML widgets Mar 02 17:52:37 You can still use JS and HTML to build your apps, and you will have to if you dont want to use palms supplied widgets Mar 02 17:53:48 i would like to leverage existing code + design; i'm glad to hear that will still be possible Mar 02 17:54:37 There may be some changes required on the JS side of it Mar 02 17:54:37 how can I keep the screen from dimming? Mar 02 17:54:55 but I am not sure yet Mar 02 17:55:12 CTLAdvance: that's acceptable. thanks for the fast response, glad to hear us web devs still have a role in webos. Mar 02 17:55:36 Unfortunately you cant do anything really until we get something to run the code Mar 02 17:56:42 also until it comes public Mar 02 17:56:59 enyo is just a JS framework, right? Mar 02 17:57:34 Yeah I think for the mostpart Mar 02 18:08:43 Is there a way to turn on the screen with a js call? Mar 02 18:09:49 Adora: is there a way to turn on the screen again? Mar 02 18:09:55 from a js comand? Mar 02 18:18:49 wow Mar 02 18:18:58 ipad2 event crashed engadget Mar 02 18:19:00 nice Mar 02 18:19:11 engadget is working for me Mar 02 18:19:15 but shit Mar 02 18:19:16 its back now Mar 02 18:19:18 100m iphones Mar 02 18:19:23 yep Mar 02 18:19:27 thats 50x palm webos devices Mar 02 18:19:37 why does sprintusers have an app for iphone? Mar 02 18:19:46 what? Mar 02 18:19:49 there is a sprintusers app? Mar 02 18:19:49 lol Mar 02 18:20:05 http://www.facebook.com/#!/sprintusers/posts/10150151623432498 Mar 02 18:20:16 LOL Mar 02 18:20:20 maybe for peeps with ipads? Mar 02 18:20:25 that have sprint phones Mar 02 18:20:27 i guess Mar 02 18:20:31 :P Mar 02 18:20:55 so i wonder if the ipad will have the same power as the HP touchpad Mar 02 18:21:06 and of course will be released before Mar 02 18:21:07 it Mar 02 18:23:11 ipad is 8.8mm vs the touch pad 14mm Mar 02 18:23:17 dang Mar 02 18:23:20 yupyup Mar 02 18:23:20 touchpad sounds hefty Mar 02 18:23:29 hopefully those dre beats sound amazing Mar 02 18:24:05 LOL a white ipad Mar 02 18:24:07 thats funny Mar 02 18:24:09 I bet available by the end of the month.. Mar 02 18:24:18 the white ipad loooks so lame Mar 02 18:24:20 lol Mar 02 18:24:47 deliciousmorsel: like a stupid picture frame :D Mar 02 18:25:15 I forgot that apple had a thing today Mar 02 18:25:30 same price Mar 02 18:26:23 heh, this is how you launch a tablet Mar 02 18:26:27 oy Mar 02 18:27:26 lol march 25th Mar 02 18:27:56 and march 11 for us :D Mar 02 18:27:58 wow Mar 02 18:28:30 Wow Mar 02 18:28:32 3/11 Mar 02 18:28:39 Tablet market was just destroyed Mar 02 18:28:40 wow Mar 02 18:30:38 dont you just want a smart cover Mar 02 18:30:42 s. Mar 02 18:32:03 lol Mar 02 18:33:58 that smart cover looks annoying and ugly Mar 02 18:34:17 its kinda humorous Mar 02 18:34:28 looks like something casemate or someone like that would have made Mar 02 18:34:30 not apple Mar 02 18:34:31 And yet its genius and they will probably sell millions Mar 02 18:34:41 sadly Mar 02 18:34:58 I could see people owning a bunch of these a color to match them every day Mar 02 18:35:01 sadly Mar 02 18:35:03 lol Mar 02 18:35:25 sadly? they deserve it, by actually delivering.. Mar 02 18:35:47 and its coming out with iOS 4.3 Mar 02 18:35:51 and that beta is already out Mar 02 18:35:54 unlike webos 3 Mar 02 18:36:11 lol yes it is Mar 02 18:36:36 HPalm... you make me sad :( Mar 02 18:36:43 awwww Mar 02 18:37:32 hehe Mar 02 18:37:41 but the ipad will ship in summer also?` Mar 02 18:37:47 march 11 Mar 02 18:37:48 in US Mar 02 18:37:59 like 9 days from now Mar 02 18:38:06 ipad1 will get cheaper I assume Mar 02 18:38:31 wow Mar 02 18:38:37 they just punched rim in the MOUTH Mar 02 18:38:38 and HP Mar 02 18:38:41 i want an ipad 2 srew hp Mar 02 18:38:50 rim announced theirs like 6 months ago and it hasn't even launched Mar 02 18:38:52 ipads are so ugly though Mar 02 18:39:02 they announce theirs and its out in less that 2 weeks Mar 02 18:39:04 but you can buy one now.. Mar 02 18:39:19 I'd rather have a xoom Mar 02 18:39:28 RagingMind: i dont find the black ipad ugly… the white however is funny lookin Mar 02 18:39:37 much much rather have touchpad Mar 02 18:39:56 you are the first person i've heard that said they'd actually want a xoom Mar 02 18:40:04 lol same here Mar 02 18:40:05 I would rather buy something than never be able to.. Mar 02 18:40:08 maybe cause your anti-ipad Mar 02 18:40:09 the xoom is the perfect size, the iPad just looks bulky and not cause of the thickness Mar 02 18:40:17 not cause you actually like a xoom Mar 02 18:40:24 no I mean hes the first I have heard Mar 02 18:40:31 I wouldnt touch a xoom with a stick Mar 02 18:40:35 lol same Mar 02 18:40:43 Been using honeycomb on my nookcolor for now... Mar 02 18:40:50 and its meh at best Mar 02 18:40:51 ahahahhah same here! Mar 02 18:41:02 too bad the touch screen is somewhat unresponsive Mar 02 18:41:08 thats what i hate about the nc Mar 02 18:41:19 otherwise its well worth the $250 Mar 02 18:41:22 does anyone else know no one that actually uses facetime? Mar 02 18:41:29 Nah its still well worth the 250 Mar 02 18:41:35 i use facetime all the time Mar 02 18:41:42 with my business partner and my wife Mar 02 18:41:54 I dont use a Mac for my every day machine, so I generally use skype Mar 02 18:41:55 thats how we do our meetings Mar 02 18:42:06 we all have iphones Mar 02 18:42:12 so most of the time we just pull it up Mar 02 18:42:17 over 3g Mar 02 18:42:24 hmm I use skype if I have to webcam Mar 02 18:42:26 cause iphone kinda blows unless its jailbroken Mar 02 18:42:56 wow software update actually gets pushed with a date.. Mar 02 18:51:13 apple seriously bitched slapped half the tablet industry Mar 02 18:51:36 they're not done yet I think.. Mar 02 18:51:53 No the bitch slapped all of it itself themselves Mar 02 18:52:03 wow Mar 02 18:52:04 fail Mar 02 18:52:20 s/itself/themselves Mar 02 18:52:48 themselves themselves? Mar 02 18:56:07 are they fucking with their developers by bringing out their own piano - one of THE apps for ipad Mar 02 18:56:59 not the first time Mar 02 18:57:04 they did a voice recorder Mar 02 18:57:15 and that killed tons of apps sales Mar 02 18:57:25 but most of the piano apps on it are different Mar 02 18:57:27 not just piano Mar 02 18:57:43 plus that piano is in garage band Mar 02 18:57:45 which is like $10 Mar 02 18:57:50 more than most will pay for a piano Mar 02 19:03:19 They are trying to get devs to make better apps Mar 02 19:03:23 to beat the apple apps Mar 02 19:03:27 thats why they did this Mar 02 19:18:57 i think hp just lost #1 on most looked forward to pad Mar 02 19:20:29 Did they actually have that? Mar 02 19:20:41 After today, they really just need to drive home a cheap price Mar 02 19:20:49 apple can make most of their hardware look nice, why do they have such a problem with the tablets looking like poo? Mar 02 19:20:57 299 for wifi 399 for 3g Mar 02 19:21:12 RagingMind I think its just you Mar 02 19:21:44 They look just like every other pad ive seen Mar 02 19:21:47 except the white Mar 02 19:21:47 I like the design Mar 02 19:22:07 they focus a lot on making it thinner, but what it really needed was a change in the forward facing profile... it just looks chunky Mar 02 19:22:20 So does the touchpad, xoom Mar 02 19:22:30 nookcolor, galaxy tab Mar 02 19:22:42 I was in the verizon store yesterday and both the xoom and galaxy tab LOOK so much nicer Mar 02 19:22:44 Really you need the bezel so you can grip the device Mar 02 19:22:57 and my BF's nook color looks nicer too Mar 02 19:23:09 the big selling point for touch pad is going to be its pre 3 stuff Mar 02 19:23:13 Not sure how a device with a half inch bezel can look much different from another with a half inch bezel Mar 02 19:23:38 but im not gonna pay a grand for a phone and a tab Mar 02 19:23:58 if touchpad is 299 for a wifi version, it'll be a hit Mar 02 19:24:04 Well I assume iPhone 5 will have a transfer protocol as well Mar 02 19:24:05 the iPad looks too square, there's too much space around the screen, and especially when it's off it's just visually uninteresting Mar 02 19:24:20 Thats what I am saying, WebOS doesnt really compete with this at this point Mar 02 19:24:25 Price needs to be a home run Mar 02 19:24:45 Then when they sell millions they will have more funding and can start improving Mar 02 19:25:41 not sure how thats different from the xoom, tab, or pad Mar 02 19:25:54 they all look like a square piece of plastic/glass when off Mar 02 19:27:07 then you have a completely different eye for aesthetics than I do Mar 02 19:27:57 I"m waiting to actually hold a touchpad before I make a decision about that one Mar 02 19:31:48 what's the situation on the HDMI on the touchpad? Mar 02 19:32:13 Does it even have HDMI out? Mar 02 19:32:23 I dont remember seeing a port for it Mar 02 19:32:35 unless the touchpad stand has it Mar 02 19:33:03 im hoping sprint doesn't get an iphone, or else the decision for pre3 + touchpad might go bye bye Mar 02 19:33:32 I don't think VZW will let that happen for a while Mar 02 19:34:03 we were just on a ski trip with my friends and watched the whole week videos through his Samsung Wave... it was really nice. I'm really looking for a device with a HDMI out - or at least composite Mar 02 19:34:29 I mean watched from TV using the wave as video source Mar 02 19:34:53 dunivan: there will be no new webOS device on Sprint for a long time Mar 02 19:35:06 and I think that sucks Mar 02 19:35:11 sugardave: there's no indication of that Mar 02 19:35:12 not even the pre3 with its evdo specs? Mar 02 19:35:13 is there? Mar 02 19:35:59 a little birdie told me Mar 02 19:36:05 no wimax webos, means no sprint Mar 02 19:36:15 Sprint is still wheeling from PreGate Mar 02 19:36:23 I think they were burned Mar 02 19:36:58 PreGateß Mar 02 19:37:00 ? Mar 02 19:37:15 sugardave: see, I would have assumed that because there's no LTE pre3, that it wouldn't go to VZW Mar 02 19:37:43 pregate? Mar 02 19:38:02 presumably all the build issues with the original pre, then not getting the pre+ Mar 02 19:38:02 pre3 isnt even going on 4g is it? Mar 02 19:38:07 dunivan: nope Mar 02 19:38:27 then why does lte or wimax matter Mar 02 19:39:24 that's where the cell companies are moving, and that's probably part of the specs they care about Mar 02 19:41:05 PreGate - Wasn't really as well executed as they planner Mar 02 19:41:13 d Mar 02 19:41:36 Sprint isn't going to add any new devices unless they are 4g, basically...is what I heard Mar 02 19:41:50 Ah I heard something else Mar 02 19:41:57 and Sugardave - unless they have a date Mar 02 19:42:05 they have plenty of non 3g devices in the pipe Mar 02 19:42:05 yeah, that helps Mar 02 19:42:17 non4g* Mar 02 19:42:28 plenty of ANDROID flavor-of-the-week phones, sure Mar 02 19:42:38 And Wp7 Mar 02 19:42:40 And BB Mar 02 19:42:59 yeah, sucks for HP Mar 02 19:43:02 then i hope we get the iphone Mar 02 19:43:02 Something burned the SprintPalm relationship Mar 02 19:45:33 And now ipad1 is 399 Mar 02 19:46:08 CTLAdvance: that's a good point, I sorta forgot could probably still get iPad1 from places Mar 02 19:46:35 Ipad 1 will prob sell at the lower price point for the next 6 months to a year Mar 02 19:47:32 you can get it right now on Apple's website :) Mar 02 19:48:57 Yep, just like $49 iphone 3gs Mar 02 19:52:05 that price for a tablet? I'd almost have to buy it for the price alone Mar 02 19:52:22 I want Touch to Share, and I want TouchStone technology Mar 02 19:52:27 If it would do multitasking Mar 02 19:52:27 but dang Mar 02 19:52:34 it does, sort of Mar 02 19:52:43 sortof Mar 02 19:52:45 it's not real, but you can multitasking-esque stuff Mar 02 19:52:57 no, you can't load websites in the background Mar 02 19:53:08 oooh Mar 02 19:53:22 you can't read emails, twitter , rss and open all the intersting links just in the background Mar 02 19:53:29 I was just gonna ask, what type of stuff do you want to be able to do, that isn't possible? Mar 02 19:53:32 it makes reading on the Pre2 very nice Mar 02 19:53:39 yes, I would believe that Mar 02 19:54:11 the original Pre only coul handle 5 or 6 webpages with uberkernel, the Pre2 can easily handle 10 or more Mar 02 19:54:12 I'm still on 1.4.5, so it means a lot of cards get opened Mar 02 19:54:19 yes, not a problem Mar 02 19:54:35 it was even easier with 1.4.5 then it is with 2.0.1 Mar 02 19:54:41 well, it's gotta be way better with stacks Mar 02 19:54:59 the stack doesn't work well, if you just want to read further and want the browser stay in the background Mar 02 19:55:05 summatusmentis- yea but not really .. 2.1 will be better once we get an overclocked kernel :D Mar 02 19:55:22 one would need the browser windows in one stack which keeps in the background, this would be cool Mar 02 19:55:41 you can do that can't you? Mar 02 19:55:50 nope, not that I would know Mar 02 19:56:01 this is so wierd .. i can't connect to any website yet im on irc Mar 02 19:56:04 this is so crazy Mar 02 19:56:09 the browser window opens a stack with your current window and it pops in the front Mar 02 19:56:17 ah Mar 02 19:56:21 I see Mar 02 19:56:40 I do most of my reading through an rss reader anyway Mar 02 19:56:49 and I'd almost prefer tabs to individual windows Mar 02 19:57:00 yes, tabs would be even better Mar 02 19:57:07 iOS has tabs >.> Mar 02 19:57:18 pont for them Mar 02 19:57:22 point Mar 02 19:57:28 i wish that little ball would scroll around Mar 02 19:57:28 theirs don't load in the background either, but yeah Mar 02 19:57:37 but it only works when reading in the browser, right? Mar 02 19:57:41 just like the one on the g2.. except the g2's is a flat touchpad square and not a rolly ball Mar 02 19:58:02 MetaView: yeah, the browser has tabs, they're app specific Mar 02 19:58:18 shades: what little ball? the button on the Pre-? Mar 02 20:00:43 yes Mar 02 20:00:47 i wish it were a scrolly ball instead Mar 02 20:00:54 cause touchscreen doesn't always work so well Mar 02 20:01:19 often times space won't space and if i'm writing a longer sms message and i need to click in between words sometimes it takes up to 5 or more clicks to get it to go inbetween the two letters I wanted Mar 02 20:01:26 if i'm lucky enough not to hit the send button while doing so Mar 02 20:01:29 it's really bassackwards Mar 02 20:02:58 you can hold down the orange button, and swipe on the screen and it'll scroll at the character level Mar 02 20:03:11 what orange button Mar 02 20:03:32 silver Mar 02 20:03:46 I got the orange button Pre with the pearl Mar 02 20:03:50 OG Mar 02 20:03:58 I have an orange button pre with the button Mar 02 20:03:59 pearl == orange Mar 02 20:04:03 it's silver on the pre+ Mar 02 20:04:21 shades: orange button on the keyboard Mar 02 20:05:34 oh Mar 02 20:06:04 soo... new iPad Mar 02 20:06:09 that scroll is weak Mar 02 20:06:18 i still have to click wher ei want to Mar 02 20:06:22 and then dragging it over is not very precise Mar 02 20:13:22 nope Mar 02 20:13:28 you handleit wrong Mar 02 20:13:44 press orange and use any space on the screen to move the cursor Mar 02 20:13:57 just like you would do with cursor keys Mar 02 20:14:07 same works for marking Mar 02 20:14:13 with shift then Mar 02 20:23:38 chuqui: any update on virtualbox 4.x support? :P Mar 02 20:24:58 (anyone know how long it usually takes once you reply w/ username and agreement to the early access program? I'm not sure if my email didn't go through or I'm just impatient..) Mar 02 20:25:13 sugardave: bwa ha ha. Mar 02 20:25:46 sugardave: thanks. I was a bit worried that my answer (which was, basically, "did you actually read what we've been saying?") might come across a bit rough. now, we're a comedy routine. which is what I wanted. Mar 02 20:25:54 sugardave: while still getting the point across. I hope. Mar 02 20:26:09 of course, all this is doing is slowing down my getting the doctors posted. Mar 02 20:26:18 oh. did I say that? Um, never mind. Mar 02 20:26:20 back to work. Mar 02 20:26:35 chuqui: without wanna look repeating, any news about my permission? Mar 02 20:28:02 chuqui: oh yes, doctors are good...and public 2.0 SDK :D Mar 02 20:33:34 sugardave: just doctors today. public SDK is coming. Soon. for some definition of soon. Mar 02 20:33:56 okay, the post is live in the private forums. Mar 02 20:34:05 flood Mar 02 20:34:59 what doctors? Mar 02 20:35:06 need to check Mar 02 20:35:07 MetaView: check the private ofrum. Mar 02 20:35:16 I iwll Mar 02 20:35:16 can't talk about details outside of there. of course. Mar 02 20:35:20 right Mar 02 20:35:35 heck, I shouldn't be saying this, either. excuse me, I need to go take myself into a closet and beat myself up for breaking my own NDA. Mar 02 20:36:52 tsk tsk tsk Mar 02 20:37:56 aw, no pre2 today :p Mar 02 20:37:59 ow. ow. ow. Mar 02 20:38:09 bad chuq. no cookie. Mar 02 20:38:16 lol Mar 02 20:38:18 I feel so remorseful. Mar 02 20:38:25 hey chuqui! Mar 02 20:38:33 SineOt: hey! Mar 02 20:38:59 chuqui: odd bit of trivia I remembered! On my mother's side I'm the like... Great nephew of John Muir! XD Mar 02 20:39:12 SineOt: cool! Mar 02 20:39:58 ohh chuqui i like what i see in the private forum Mar 02 20:40:26 * halfhalo is totally browsing phones fs via webbrowser Mar 02 20:40:28 is it free iPad 2s? XD Mar 02 20:42:46 who wants ipads? Mar 02 20:42:57 I want TouchPads. Mar 02 20:43:06 me too Mar 02 20:43:13 (Typed, of course, on an iPad :P.) Mar 02 20:43:45 I want a Pixi back cover green TouchPad. :B Mar 02 20:43:54 chuqui: make it happen, okay? I love that green ;D Mar 02 20:44:19 I would like a bit better battery life on my Pre2 Mar 02 20:46:37 hmm. my magic wand is at the cleaners. can I get back to you? Mar 02 20:46:38 chuqui: could you talk to Adam about my birthday present? It's today and he hasn't answered yet ;) Mar 02 20:47:39 Oh, my email did get through to chuqui. Guess I'm just very impatient! :P Mar 02 20:48:31 chuqui: :D Mar 02 20:49:13 chpwn: I can only type so fast... Mar 02 20:49:33 chuqui: Yeah, I'm just really impatient, you didn't do anything wrong :p Mar 02 20:49:49 chpwn: nah. all my fault. always. Mar 02 20:49:56 lol Mar 02 20:50:00 chuqui: do hp need it engineers ? For development? Mar 02 20:50:26 chuqui: you're too hard on yourself :p Mar 02 20:50:38 more minions needed Mar 02 20:50:45 yeah Mar 02 20:50:59 I'll take that job, I'm good at being the target of rage :Q Mar 02 20:51:11 * dohtem` hands chuqui a steel bat Mar 02 20:51:31 hotdp: we're definitely hiring. I've got a couple of jobs I'm going to put on @webosdev later today, once I get some other stuff done first. Mar 02 20:51:58 Great! count me in :P Mar 02 20:52:04 heh Mar 02 20:52:10 anything entry-ish level? :p Mar 02 20:53:05 hotdp: want to go to US? Mar 02 20:53:11 no Danemark anymore? Mar 02 20:53:30 the ones I ahve probably not, but I think some of the things coming down the pike, definitely. Mar 02 20:54:03 MetaView: what ever it takes Mar 02 20:54:09 hm Mar 02 20:54:36 wouldn't want move there, sun, warm, surfing every day, who could want thisß Mar 02 20:54:44 hehe Mar 02 20:54:50 chuqui: cool. I'd love to work there, but hah-I don't have years of management or speak chinese XD Mar 02 20:54:54 anyone elses download numbers go down on developer.palm.com today? Mar 02 20:55:06 SineOt: neither do I... Mar 02 20:55:15 cwayne1: yes mine Mar 02 20:55:22 chuqui: yeah, but you've got a few years at Apple under your belt :p Mar 02 20:55:28 Ich sprechen ein bischen Deutsch. but it's years rusty. Mar 02 20:55:41 chuqui: Hört sich gut an ;) Mar 02 20:55:42 chuqui sehr gut Mar 02 20:55:43 SineOt: ah. you've seen I need to lose a few pounds Mar 02 20:55:48 SineOt: like, oh, 100 Mar 02 20:55:54 MetaView: sun, warm, surfing? I don't think you've ever been to the bay area... XD Mar 02 20:56:02 SineOt: not so much under my belt, but attempting to overwhelm it. Mar 02 20:56:10 yer bay area is fog and could Mar 02 20:56:12 SineOt: don#t disappoint me, I dream of it every winter Mar 02 20:56:18 fog and cold? Mar 02 20:56:19 chuqui: you take metaphors a little too far :p Mar 02 20:56:25 SineOt: it's what I do. Mar 02 20:56:26 but it made me laugh, so X3 Mar 02 20:56:27 well, then I stay in Berlin Mar 02 20:56:37 surfing in this area is awesome -- but with a wetsuit. or a drysuit Mar 02 20:56:51 MetaView: Bay Area gets cold, and the water temperature is pretty low Mar 02 20:57:01 chuqui: I'm not going to apply for any job ;) Mar 02 20:57:05 Southern California it warms up, but to like... 72-75 in the summer Mar 02 20:57:18 unless you're down by San Onofre then it gets pretty toasty! XD Mar 02 20:57:26 SineOt: I used to bodysurf a lot growing up down in Socal. great stuff. Mar 02 20:57:32 72? can't you use a real temperature scale? Mar 02 20:57:46 SineOt: SF never gets *cold*... id even say most of the bay area never gets that cold. Mar 02 20:57:51 Yeah, I need to get down to the beach again this summer and enjoy the water again Mar 02 20:58:03 chuqui: i might ask you about the jobs tomorrow, hope its ok Mar 02 20:58:06 MetaView: Stupid Americans. Of which I am one. Mar 02 20:58:16 MetaView: uh, 22C I think Mar 02 20:58:48 okay, starting now, everyone convert to Kelvin Mar 02 20:58:56 * sugardave dies. Mar 02 20:59:03 lol Mar 02 20:59:11 its like 60F today WHICH MAKES ME MAD Mar 02 20:59:19 At least we aren't the UK, where you measure distance in miles and gas in liters, that'd boggle my poor mind so hard Mar 02 20:59:20 chuqui: Kelvin is easy for Celsius- people :) Mar 02 20:59:40 SineOt: not anymore Mar 02 20:59:54 they moved over to KM? Mar 02 20:59:59 or, well, still, liters are nice, miles a bit strange Mar 02 21:00:04 I guess they do Mar 02 21:00:11 or at least they should :) Mar 02 21:00:20 it's the european law Mar 02 21:00:23 last time I was in London, it's still miles Mar 02 21:00:32 miles are dumb Mar 02 21:00:41 so are quarts and gallons and Fahrenheit Mar 02 21:00:52 distnances should be in furlongs per fortnight Mar 02 21:01:00 light meters Mar 02 21:01:13 function is_dumb(scale) { return USA.is_used(scale); } Mar 02 21:01:15 numbers of my hair length on full moon? Mar 02 21:01:28 er, s/scale/unit/ Mar 02 21:01:29 Yeah, but the UK does some weird stuff, like use pounds sterling instead of the euro Mar 02 21:02:26 distance in furlongs per fortnight, fuel economy in decaliters of whale oil per nautical mile (MIXING UNITS FFF) Mar 02 21:02:29 anyone have an Idea where I can get the heart icon from the messager if you type "<3"? Mar 02 21:02:29 I'd love to use that in one of my apps Mar 02 21:03:51 hey, all. gotta go focus. Here if there's an emergency, but gotta stop the chatter for a bit. Mar 02 21:04:28 chuqui: bug Adora for me about the Meetup stuff, yeah? :p Mar 02 21:04:36 chuqui: where can I find the <3 icon? Is there a way to use it in my app? Mar 02 21:04:42 SineOt: I don't want to get hit. Mar 02 21:04:48 thomaschaaf: that is not an emergency Mar 02 21:04:57 tell her any and all hits can be directed towards my face Mar 02 21:05:22 or rather towards SemanticSeed's face :p Mar 02 21:05:31 * SineOt heads home Mar 02 21:05:39 now I am putting and AIM icon as a placeholder -.- Mar 02 21:06:01 chuqui: thanks for the forum post Mar 02 21:07:03 and would you happen to know if the request list for pre2's has dwindled at all? (i sent an initial request 2 weeks ago, just wondering how long it might take) Mar 02 21:08:42 (or at least a response, even a "no" would suffice) Mar 02 21:08:48 NO Mar 02 21:10:12 well, thanks, sugardave :) Mar 02 21:10:56 HattCzech_work: I figured I would save you some time :D Mar 02 21:13:38 meh Mar 02 21:14:05 indeed you haev Mar 02 21:14:07 have* Mar 02 21:14:20 that dev-devices... still waiting too Mar 02 21:16:04 chuqui: you got my mail. got no answer, but i hope you keep germany in mind. Mar 02 21:16:20 *you got my mail? Mar 02 21:17:54 leiru: no response yet? Mar 02 21:18:57 seems I fuxed Crimson Fields Mar 02 21:19:02 s/u/i Mar 02 21:20:15 HattCzech_work: i asked, if everything is okay with my sheet. got the answer, that my data is lying around @ "management" whoever it is and my contact is waiting for approval and will inform me. that was saturday. Mar 02 21:20:33 ahhh, i haven't gotten a response yet Mar 02 21:20:45 i just wanted to know what information they required of me Mar 02 21:20:48 i initially send it @ 18th feb Mar 02 21:21:49 original was sent on feb 15th Mar 02 21:22:01 followup on feb 23 Mar 02 21:22:57 probably doesn't help that my development has slowed to a crawl over the past few months Mar 02 21:23:03 unfortunately Mar 02 21:26:09 I sent mine on the 16th, I think, and got my spreadsheet on the 19th Mar 02 21:26:11 it doens't help me, to be productive, if i think all day long, if i am qualified or not, and checking my mail inbox every 5 mins ;) Mar 02 21:26:15 nothing since then Mar 02 21:26:48 sugardave: welcome to the club :) Mar 02 21:27:38 sugardave: you got an initial response? I havent heard back at all. Mar 02 21:27:59 dohtem: maybe you should write again, and ask if everything is okay? Mar 02 21:28:13 dohtem: yeah, Adela sent me the qualifier spreadsheet thingie Mar 02 21:28:19 dohtem: maybe you got lost in the flood Mar 02 21:28:35 sugardave: lol me 2 Mar 02 21:28:47 this is for the Pre 2 right? Mar 02 21:28:51 yeah Mar 02 21:29:06 yup, sent my email on the 15th Mar 02 21:29:17 I got two responses so far, sent my email the day after @palm tweeter. Mar 02 21:30:02 i managed to get a pre plus dev phone earlier, so that might hinder my chances Mar 02 21:30:09 but i'd gladly send that back to them Mar 02 21:30:29 but i've gotten no response at all from them Mar 02 21:30:46 never got tsmth form them, just doing always evangelising for the platform. Mar 02 21:30:58 hmpf Mar 02 21:31:25 sugardave: what was on the form you got? Mar 02 21:32:01 HattCzech_work: it's a MS excel sheet Mar 02 21:32:15 what apps you have developed and what you are into. Mar 02 21:32:21 and your personal data Mar 02 21:32:32 and some additional foo Mar 02 21:32:36 HattCzech_work: basically the same one you filled out for the free Pre+ Mar 02 21:33:06 i didn't have a form for the Pre+ :) Mar 02 21:33:24 just an e-mail with info on what i'd be working on and info about what i had worked on Mar 02 21:34:11 ah, well they sent me a spreadsheet then, too Mar 02 21:34:26 company name, apps you developed, etc...just like leiru said Mar 02 21:36:01 sugardave: for me, my ase is special: working or a mobile company, developing mobile sites there, but in creative time i code webos there. byside i have the admission to code commercial and open source by my own. Mar 02 21:36:26 *case Mar 02 21:36:51 nice :D Mar 02 21:37:29 won FWA mobile award 2010 - mobile of the day :) Mar 02 21:37:55 even i am waiting. NARF. Mar 02 21:45:20 To everyone saying that HP should have done like Apple and give a price when announcing new devices... If you're launching it in 9 days, you damn well better know what the price and carrier support is. 4-6 months though? Give yourself wiggle room. Mar 02 21:46:03 öhm Mar 02 21:46:19 okay :) Mar 02 21:46:26 but i still want my pre2 :) Mar 02 21:46:33 just venting, because that's a dumb thing to take issue with :p Mar 02 21:46:39 heh Mar 02 21:47:16 has someone put up a side-by-side iPad2/Touchpad comparison yet? Mar 02 21:47:23 better to take issue with the 4-6 months ;) Mar 02 21:47:28 from the future? Mar 02 21:47:37 dohtem: i saw such a table. Mar 02 21:47:45 link? Mar 02 21:47:51 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/ipad-2-vs-motorola-xoom-vs-hp-touchpad-vs-blackberry-playbook/ Mar 02 21:47:55 dohtem: ohh. was around 1 month ago Mar 02 21:48:09 Loudergood: yeah, exactly Mar 02 21:48:11 thanks Loudergood Mar 02 21:48:24 Say that HP should be launching in 9 days, not HP should be telling you carrier and pricing at the announcement Mar 02 21:49:06 interesting that they all have different cpus Mar 02 21:50:13 I'm still, out of that batch, hoping for the TouchPad to price itself competitively with the iPad, and not competitively with the Xoom and Playbook... Mar 02 21:50:40 well..they did cut some corners.. Mar 02 21:50:51 I was blown away at the viewing angles on the TouchPad's screen. If it's an IPS panel for color accuracy too, all the better Mar 02 21:50:53 no 5.8, no rear camera Mar 02 21:51:11 the rear camera I get though Mar 02 21:51:22 it's like people complaining about the Galaxy Tab not having voice in the US Mar 02 21:51:33 I'm saying that's a good thing to cut for saving money Mar 02 21:51:41 Oh, then yeah for sure Mar 02 21:51:41 Loudergood: a friend of me, blackberry dev, said that videos like from the playboook existed from the storm before too- and now look at the bb storm ;) Mar 02 21:51:55 lol Mar 02 21:52:02 there were, in case of the storm, also amazing videos. Mar 02 21:52:04 Galaxy Tab: bringing taco calling to a new generation of devices Mar 02 21:52:47 lol Mar 02 21:53:02 wouldn't look much stranger than a droid x Mar 02 21:53:23 you kidding? the galaxy tab is like twice the size of the droid x :p Mar 02 21:53:27 SineOt: what about galaxy tab? we have the prototype and the customer version... Mar 02 21:53:34 imagine holding that thing up to your head to make phone calls Mar 02 21:53:50 SineOt: i dont like it, but i don't like android at all. Mar 02 21:53:53 I'm saying it's already reached the point of absurdity, it's only slightly more absurd to go beyond it ;) Mar 02 21:53:57 hee Mar 02 21:54:09 yeah, I'm not a fan of the Galaxy Tab (or much of android in general...) Mar 02 21:54:21 The Galaxy Tab could have been cool if they had like, a 299 wifi only version Mar 02 21:54:38 Speaking of wifi only, despite getting announced at the same time there's still no sight of the wifi only Galaxy Tab, wtf Mar 02 21:54:53 android works well on my nook Mar 02 21:55:10 I think -that's- the point where the TouchPad will dominate, is that from the sound of things the wifi only version will be landing first Mar 02 21:55:22 i think, 2011 will be the year of discount-cheesy 100euro tablets at the discounter next street Mar 02 21:55:23 Loudergood: are you running honeycomb on it, or just the stock Nook Color build? Mar 02 21:55:40 when did I say anything about color ;) Mar 02 21:55:49 Android runs great on my Nook Wifi+3G, but that's because you never see the damn thing XD Mar 02 21:56:05 it could be running NeXTSTEP or something and you'd never know. Mar 02 21:56:12 selled off, in minor quality at this prices Mar 02 21:56:23 hey, i've installed two android apps on mine Mar 02 21:56:24 chuqui: Thanks for the email! :D Mar 02 21:56:27 not that I ever use them Mar 02 21:56:45 yeah, I rooted my Nook too but then was like "this is bs and not worth the effort" Mar 02 21:57:20 I have an old one, it's no effort at all Mar 02 21:57:33 yeah, it's not, you just like... gain nothing of value Mar 02 21:57:50 you get an uglier launch bar and a feature lacking library app Mar 02 21:57:58 eh..I like the wifi locker and the library app Mar 02 21:58:00 SineOt: original nook, you don't get much for rooting it since all apps have to be multiscreen aware. Nook Color, you get a lot. Mar 02 21:58:20 Nook Color is basically a full blown tablet, so yeah, you can a looooooooot. Mar 02 21:58:22 it handles gutenberg books much better than the original Mar 02 21:58:24 Like Angry Birds. Mar 02 21:58:42 It'd be hilarity to see angry birds on the original Mar 02 21:59:15 I think it'd be funny to see it use your ebooks to generate the levels Mar 02 21:59:27 having to fling birds through a paragraph to get to the pigs :p Mar 02 22:00:17 sugardave: hrm. that could be the solution: let's drive to sunnyvale and start a small demonstration by you and me: "we want our two pre2" Mar 02 22:00:20 :D Mar 02 22:00:53 * SineOt is still waiting on the email back from DevMarketing! Mar 02 22:01:02 Has anyone received a response yet about the Pre2 program? Mar 02 22:01:27 SineOt: yes, but just 'cause i asked, if everything is fine or smth went wrong. Mar 02 22:01:40 whoever sent Adora the chocolates probably did Mar 02 22:01:43 leiru: was it another spreadsheet asking for more info? Mar 02 22:01:55 SineOt: no. Mar 02 22:02:13 SineOt: i just heard yesterday Mar 02 22:02:32 it's an actual, human response this time? XD Mar 02 22:02:43 yeps Mar 02 22:02:49 SineOt: got a msg with a paste of earlier this evening Mar 02 22:03:37 * SineOt sent it like... 5 minutes after the newsletter went out the 15th, still hasn't heard back. :p Mar 02 22:04:35 I wonder what the response has been in terms of volume Mar 02 22:05:25 i jsut can't imagine that they are thinking 1-2 days each developer for approval Mar 02 22:05:47 these ppl seem to have time. Mar 02 22:05:54 I haven't even heard -anything-, so I haven't even received the spreadsheet to fill out for approval :/ Mar 02 22:06:54 SineOt: i dont think there is a spreadsheet this time, least i didnt get one Mar 02 22:07:15 leiru apparently did receive a spreadsheet asking for information on developer history Mar 02 22:07:28 there is one Mar 02 22:08:06 does having a scene with a lot of text affect scrolling? Mar 02 22:08:14 looks laggy here Mar 02 22:08:19 there is one. i wrote 2 times. first i got a mail with questions that will be found at the spreadsheet. Mar 02 22:08:30 second time, i got that sheet Mar 02 22:09:00 i filled out the sheet and wrote second contact, that i gotten a response from there and that i filled out that Mar 02 22:09:06 huh Mar 02 22:09:21 I too didn't received any sheet, just questions, which I needed to respond to. Mar 02 22:09:33 ughghghgh Mar 02 22:09:38 when did you write, vaibhav? Mar 02 22:09:46 dohtem: it can....it could also be getting laggy from memory leaks Mar 02 22:09:51 maybe some developer-relation-people prefer sheets, some not? Mar 02 22:09:52 first on 19th Mar 02 22:09:59 several times after that Mar 02 22:10:00 the questions are the same. Mar 02 22:10:10 man, that's really annoying :/ Mar 02 22:10:21 I wrote the 15th! I've been waiting patiently! Not heard a thing back. Mar 02 22:10:52 SineOt: write antoher mail. seems that they have been flooded for teir scale. Mar 02 22:10:52 time to kick ass Mar 02 22:10:57 :) Mar 02 22:10:59 you seem to got lost. Mar 02 22:11:37 I got lost in the Pre+ program too, and then, after they sent me the Pre+ and gave me a tracking number, told me that they were getting ready to send me another device. Mar 02 22:11:50 Whoever is in charge of this needs to uh... Fix that. Mar 02 22:12:20 SineOt: sound like a huge conspiracy! Mar 02 22:12:25 +s Mar 02 22:12:57 SineOt: maybe you should demonstarte in sunnyvale with sugardave and me: "we want our dev-devices" :) Mar 02 22:14:04 for me, listening to you, it's making life easier, that other devs have the same problem like me. Mar 02 22:14:08 sitting in the cue. Mar 02 22:16:07 Yeah, I just feel sorry for all the people who have to sit not knowing what's going on with it. Mar 02 22:16:32 hrm .. and i am glad not to be the only one :) Mar 02 22:16:55 just received a message that I do not have apps in the marketplace so I am not qualified, I have 3 in official palm catalogue, are these programs managed by bots Mar 02 22:17:01 sunnyvale is too far, but I will demonstratet from my living room Mar 02 22:18:00 anybody here from dev relations ot sort this out. Mar 02 22:18:59 vaibhav: you may wish to ping chuqui Mar 02 22:19:31 vaibhav: also, I really wonder about their rationale. wouldn't you want to give new developers pre2's to get them to begin developing for webos? Mar 02 22:19:59 destinal, that will open this program for abuse, Mar 02 22:20:25 vaibhav: a lot of webos-internals folks who I think have arguably added a lot to the platform, have no apps in the catalog individually Mar 02 22:20:31 also Mar 02 22:20:36 all I know is it took a really long time to get my Pre + after I filled out THAT spreadsheet Mar 02 22:20:44 I am not thinking it's going to be any faster for the Pre 2 Mar 02 22:20:57 sigh Mar 02 22:21:17 destinal: yes, you are correct...plenty of awesome webOS devs without apps in the catalog Mar 02 22:22:37 if i had a first-assistant.js that looked like this and the pause button wasn't working, what am i doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/yzC1cRRb Mar 02 22:23:06 omg, a webOS question? Mar 02 22:23:10 hang on a sec Mar 02 22:23:16 yup! lol ok thanks Mar 02 22:25:01 damn, that all looks good to me :( Mar 02 22:25:26 wait Mar 02 22:25:34 is it button1 or MyButton as the id? Mar 02 22:25:43 button1 Mar 02 22:26:10
Mar 02 22:26:39 okay, it won't matter but you should make your stopListening arguments match your listen arguments Mar 02 22:26:47 as a regular Mojo thing Mar 02 22:27:27 graywolf336: do you get an errors when you tap the button? Mar 02 22:27:52 none on screen, just audio doesn't stop Mar 02 22:28:23 can you check the messages log? Mar 02 22:29:11 vaibhav: in my case i would get really agry if i would get this as response Mar 02 22:29:41 Adora: easterhegg! :D Mar 02 22:29:41 I'm currently at college so i can't, but when i get home i will... how do i check it? Mar 02 22:29:53 okay, nite. got late. Mar 02 22:30:07 easterwha? Mar 02 22:30:19 DUNDUN Mar 02 22:30:38 it's like an easter egg, but with more h Mar 02 22:31:19 graywolf336: here's waht I do: novaterm into the emu/phone and run: log [app ID string] Mar 02 22:31:44 and then I can send console.log messages in my code and watch them come across in the messages log Mar 02 22:31:45 graywolf336, sugardave: or just install Lumberjack from Preware ;P Mar 02 22:31:52 there are way to many steps being generated with this thing Mar 02 22:31:59 lumberjack works, too Mar 02 22:32:00 sugardave: Ok thanks, will do later Mar 02 22:32:03 hey Adora, sup? Mar 02 22:32:06 I use novaterm and tail -f /var/log/messages Mar 02 22:32:13 SineOt: ok never thought of that Mar 02 22:32:32 DoubleDubWSS: that's what I used to do, but log is an alias to tail 1000 -f [arg1] Mar 02 22:32:53 ah Mar 02 22:32:58 Cool, something new Mar 02 22:32:59 :) Mar 02 22:55:15 omg I hate waiting for emails that may or may not be coming Mar 02 22:56:18 sugardave: it's totally AWESOME isn't it Mar 02 22:57:16 Where's the tutorial for switching to 2.1.0, again? Mar 02 22:58:55 * sugardave guesses PreCentral or webos-internals.org Mar 02 23:15:08 When installing WUBI for the MetaDoctor, does it have to be 9.10? Because that is no longer available from their site. Mar 02 23:15:45 I think any would work. It's not like tools disappear Mar 02 23:20:49 hi again :) Mar 02 23:26:25 newer stuff works Mar 02 23:26:47 but sometimes newer things deprecate older options and scripts dont like that Mar 02 23:27:03 metadoc isn't that picky Mar 02 23:27:16 widk..... Mar 02 23:35:46 In the app catalog, when you are viewing a page and you tap on the top bar that displays stats and stuff. Is that a regular drawer? Mar 02 23:47:00 dohtem: dunno, but you can poke the code to find out! Mar 03 00:49:26 wow, this channel has gained a lot of users :) Mar 03 00:50:08 either case, I finally started programming my pre (mainly due to the frustration of net getting WebOS 2.1, so that's been good for something. Mar 03 00:50:27 However, it seems I'm running into problems with the Depot Mar 03 00:51:27 I store an object in it that has a few functions, one of them being getName(). However, when I retrieve the object, getName() isn't available. Is that something related to the Depot, or am I likely doing something wrong? Mar 03 00:53:30 either case, any help or any comment related to the depot is welcome. I'm mainly looking for the simplest store right now :) Mar 03 00:56:08 also: more complete documentation on the Depot would be welcome. I can't really find much about it, which is a bit odd Mar 03 01:03:33 madnificent: I think you would need to stringify your function before storing and eval it on the way out Mar 03 01:04:36 sugardave: but nested objects are no problem, correct? Mar 03 01:04:44 should not be Mar 03 01:04:52 I haven't used the depot, though, so ymmv Mar 03 01:04:54 sugardave: do you have any idea where I could find some information about this? Mar 03 01:05:34 * madnificent could take the data and drop in it in a wrapper object, that could work Mar 03 01:07:17 var objectString = JSON.stringify(object); Mar 03 01:07:43 and then when you read from the depot: var theObject = evalJSON(objectString); Mar 03 01:07:51 evalJSON is from Prototype Mar 03 01:08:56 sugardave: that will remove referential integrity between different objects in the Depot Mar 03 01:09:51 oh wait, it would be: var theObject = objectString.evalJSON(); Mar 03 01:11:42 hmm, perhaps there's a hybrid way of doing this Mar 03 01:13:25 well, there isn't a guarantee of referential integrity anyway is there? I mean depot is just a quick key/value wrapper on top of sqlite iirc Mar 03 01:13:43 I think it has referential integrity Mar 03 01:13:48 let me rephrase that: I hope it does Mar 03 01:13:53 I think not Mar 03 01:14:34 * madnificent lacks formal documentation Mar 03 01:15:09 maybe I'm wrong, I seem to recall this being discussed somewhere at the dev forum Mar 03 01:15:45 sugardave: the palm forum? Mar 03 01:15:54 "referential integrity" ? Mar 03 01:17:31 haeffb: two objects (A and B) are in the database. A.ref = B. Say you store both A and B in the database and retrieve them again. Does A.ref == B, or not? Mar 03 01:17:49 madnificent: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10663&start=0 Mar 03 01:18:03 I say no, Doug says maybe Mar 03 01:18:44 madnificent: it doesn't work that way, I think Mar 03 01:18:47 in Depot, I would guess no Mar 03 01:18:47 that's on the SQL database itself, not on the Depot Mar 03 01:18:58 Depot is a wrapper for sqlite Mar 03 01:19:46 sugardave: yes, but they are vastly different concepts Mar 03 01:19:55 but I really have no clue Mar 03 01:20:21 it completely depends on how you implement it. The referential integrity at the database level is different than that of the serialization Mar 03 01:20:34 haeffb: that's not a big deal in any real-life scenario Mar 03 01:21:04 either case, I can enforce referential integrity by managing that myself, but I'd rather not. I suspect that sugardave is right. Mar 03 01:21:21 okay, I;m pretty sure if you have an object with a reference property that "points" to another object, that linkage will not be maintained when writing to and reading from depot unless you manage it yourself Mar 03 01:21:34 * haeffb doesn't grasp the concept...I'd have to work through it to understand Mar 03 01:22:20 haeffb: if you make two objects with the same fields, then they are not equal by == , correct? Mar 03 01:22:55 a = {}; b={}; a !== b; Mar 03 01:23:50 but, a==b Mar 03 01:24:42 sugardave: actually, I suddenly doubt it. They'd have to resolve cycles to store stuff in the database. Resolving those would imply that they'd /me stops typing and just tries something Mar 03 01:30:50 * haeffb must restart after ubuntu updates. Thought I was done with that after abandoning windows.... Mar 03 01:40:24 sugardave: you know what? You were right Mar 03 01:41:09 * halfhalo is always right Mar 03 01:41:13 model.a.b == model.b => false Mar 03 01:41:33 halfhalo: for varying values of always? Mar 03 01:41:47 just when its important Mar 03 01:42:27 haeffb: you usually only have to restart Ubuntu if you have a kernely update....usually Mar 03 01:44:25 sigh, earlier I was in doubt about the use of the depot or sql, I chose wrong Mar 03 01:45:00 waiiiitttt....... isn't the debot a wrapper for sqlite anywho? Mar 03 01:45:07 yes Mar 03 01:45:37 halfhalo: yes, but I was thinking that I'd get rid of a lot of stuff Mar 03 01:45:57 halfhalo: so now I have to rething the storage model and learn the connection to something different :) Which isn't that big of a deal, but I don't have much time either :) Mar 03 01:48:06 halfhalo: fwiw, it is possible to make a Depot with referential integrity. I've built it for common lisp myself, but many have gone before me. Mar 03 02:10:30 are they banning search engines? Both Yahoo and Google are down here Mar 03 02:19:45 madnificent: where are you, Wisconsin? Mar 03 02:20:00 sugardave: no, it was a firefox failure, I think Mar 03 02:20:24 sugardave: a reboot of the computer (yup, that's linux for you today for some odd reason) fixed it though Mar 03 02:20:34 I had an issue at work today where symantec wouldn't let the updated firefox through the software firewall Mar 03 02:20:49 sugardave: but I could connect to fairly local sites (anything within the EU), but not google, yahoo, bing, cuil (didn't try others) Mar 03 02:20:50 reboot fixed that too Mar 03 02:21:09 Loudergood: strange day :) Mar 03 02:21:14 I hate computers Mar 03 02:21:50 sugardave <3 phones Mar 03 02:22:02 haha Mar 03 02:22:09 I hate symantec Mar 03 02:22:32 To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer. Mar 03 02:22:33 either case, it's late, I'm off to bed Mar 03 02:22:48 night Mar 03 02:23:10 I suppose I'm the only one that's calling it a night here, so have a good day to you all :) Mar 03 02:24:32 tibfib ping Mar 03 02:49:17 http://gizmodo.com/#!5774512/cnn-says-ipad-2-will-have-dueling-operating-systems - lol, CNN techies **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 02:59:57 2011