**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 02:59:57 2011 Mar 03 03:31:51 lol Mar 03 03:42:57 wondering if exhibition requires the new touchstone, which would mean it (probably?) wouldn't work on old hardware Mar 03 03:44:17 could be that it would require manual triggering without the new TS Mar 03 03:47:08 cxreg: Exhibition probably works on the old Touchstone Mar 03 03:47:55 yup Mar 03 03:53:12 yes, yes it does Mar 03 04:28:51 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/hp-touchpad-shoots-down-planes-shows-off-next-gen-snapdragons/ Gotta say, it's looking better and better each day Mar 03 04:35:35 sugardave: that's good news, i thought it might require the new coil in the new touchstone Mar 03 04:49:08 cxreg: the pre already knows when it's on a touchstone. why would exhibition need anything more? Mar 03 05:25:35 cxreg: I can confirm that exhibition does work on the "old" touch stones on a Pre- (updated via webos-internals way) Mar 03 05:27:50 yeah, the only thing that wouldn't work with old touchstones is the touchstone awareness stuff that's been talked about Mar 03 05:28:04 where it launches a different exhibition mode depending on which touchstone it's on Mar 03 05:30:08 right Mar 03 05:46:32 if a person taps a button that pauses a streaming audio, is there a way to stop buffering the audio stream? (unless it does and I'm not aware of it) Mar 03 05:48:09 hi, in the new york dev days services talk, there is a run-js-service command used to start a service. But I can no longer find it in my palm SDK 1.4.5 installation on linux? Mar 03 05:48:26 js services are only in 2.0 Mar 03 05:48:53 rwhitby: ok, but then what is the latest SDK version I require for that? Mar 03 05:49:19 you must apply for early access to the webOS 2.0 SDK which is for the devices that have been shipping for over 3 months. Mar 03 05:49:45 (yes, that is as ludicrous as it sounds) Mar 03 05:51:06 uh ok :) anything special I am supposed to say in the mail to pdc@palm.com? Mar 03 05:51:36 probably something to do with how you're applying for the EAP program Mar 03 06:00:19 All right, freshly installed 2.1.0 on my VZW Pre+, and during FirstUse it freezes while choosing an Auto Locate option. I looked around and couldn't find a solution. Anything? Mar 03 06:02:47 KGF2010: Try the channel #webos-internals Mar 03 06:05:01 KGF2010: re-flash Mar 03 10:48:39 today's another day where's stagnation @ work Mar 03 10:49:05 :( Mar 03 10:49:31 soon grabbing smth. to lunch. Mar 03 12:28:36 !seen funkatron Mar 03 13:47:33 is there webkit gradient support and I am overseeing it? Mar 03 13:47:41 I can't get that to work :( Mar 03 13:52:15 there is but its not supported Mar 03 13:58:40 what would be a good source to learn about WebOS's sqlite database? I know SQL (but I need some references to write it correctly as it's been a while). I'm mainly looking for information on which method calls exist on the database object (how to clear the database etc) Mar 03 14:04:30 I think you can use standard webkit sql calls Mar 03 14:05:24 hey everyone, i just joined the developer beta of 2.0 and i can't seem to find a download link Mar 03 14:05:33 any suggestions? Mar 03 14:05:53 madnificent: so, this should be relevant http://html5doctor.com/introducing-web-sql-databases/ Mar 03 14:06:15 jmnx12: look in private forums for sticky at top Mar 03 14:08:28 funkatron: thanks! Mar 03 14:09:03 private forums? i don't see that anywhere Mar 03 14:09:17 * madnificent wonders how they could build such a system without formal documentation Mar 03 14:09:22 * madnificent is surprised it actually works Mar 03 14:10:54 jmnx12: if you are in the EAP, you will have private forums at the bottom of the forums listing. Mar 03 14:11:04 madnificent: well. good q. Mar 03 14:11:24 madnificent: I dunno why they didn't put this stuff in the official Palm dev docs. *shrug* Mar 03 14:14:27 funkatron: Thanks, i followed their instructions in the email but i still don't see that link. The email was sent yesterday so maybe it just takes them a day or two to process. Thanks for the help! Mar 03 14:14:50 yep, forum access is done manually, I think. Mar 03 14:15:03 if you see chuqui drop in, you might ping him Mar 03 14:18:06 jmnx12 you have to wait Mar 03 14:19:00 funkatron: my guess is a lack of time. But I'm surprised as well that they haven't linked to any formal documentation of a third party either Mar 03 14:19:14 yeah. bandwidth. Palm was cash-strapped. Mar 03 14:19:34 better now, but now 95% of that shit will be irrelevant in a year anyway Mar 03 14:19:44 funkatron: that means that everything they had to write must've been written without the spec as well. It surprises me that the pre works this well without that documentation. Mar 03 14:20:14 funkatron: I haven't looked at the 2.1 release yet. I will not get it and I doubt I'll be able to afford a new pre soon :) Mar 03 14:20:48 well, there is a wrapper called Depot you can use to map JS objects to sqlite Dbs Mar 03 14:20:50 it's slow tho Mar 03 14:21:00 but that's the only thing in Mojo that's documented Mar 03 14:21:15 otherwise, more bare-metal webkit apis aren't documented there Mar 03 14:22:32 funkatron: and it doesn't have referential integrity, so it doesn't solve my problems :) Mar 03 14:23:11 mmmnope Mar 03 14:32:57 morning, all Mar 03 14:34:19 mornings Mar 03 14:37:24 whatup Mar 03 15:00:34 is there a quick run down on what needs to be changed to update an app from 1.4.5 to 2.0+? Mar 03 15:02:01 I think if you use the contacts API it totally changed Mar 03 15:02:05 I changed nothign for SPaz Mar 03 15:02:06 spaz Mar 03 15:02:19 except adding a couple lines for quick type junk Mar 03 15:05:58 yer Mar 03 15:33:34 i do use contacts, so that is the change i need to make Mar 03 15:33:50 i remember reading something about it a while back, but didn't have time to work on it Mar 03 15:35:16 urg... to early Mar 03 15:43:32 re Mar 03 15:50:37 Hi! Mar 03 15:51:34 hi Mar 03 15:53:25 looks like the Catalog is missing download stats between Feb 23rd and Mar 2 Mar 03 16:04:36 anyone have any idea whether there is a way to make Mojo.Event.flick be faster? Mar 03 16:04:44 there seems to be quiet a lag Mar 03 16:05:26 after I flick it is like 100 ms until I get a mojo.log Mar 03 16:06:07 maybe more like 700ms Mar 03 16:06:41 is it the flick or the log that takes so long? Mar 03 16:07:12 in my listener I have mojo log as the callback Mar 03 16:07:22 so I'd think i'd be pretty instant Mar 03 16:07:34 protip: don't test flick speed on the wirc card Mar 03 16:07:55 haha Mar 03 16:08:04 whats wirc? Mar 03 16:08:16 irc for webos? Mar 03 16:08:19 ... Mar 03 16:08:24 yes, but when I flicked the wirc card away it was pretty instant Mar 03 16:08:34 yes irc for webos Mar 03 16:08:36 if oil was alive today he would be ashamed of you Mar 03 16:08:43 the Mojo.Event.flick? Mar 03 16:09:12 I blame oil for making wirc in the first place Mar 03 16:10:18 thomaschaaf: I'm just saying that the log takes *some* time. how much I don't know. Mar 03 16:10:45 there are some timing functions available to test such, I think Mar 03 16:11:56 oils dead? Mar 03 16:12:24 did he get a dispursing agent on himself? Mar 03 16:12:50 mebe Mar 03 16:14:16 oils not dead. he's just getting really expensive so no one wants him around anymore Mar 03 16:14:33 expensive? how so? Mar 03 16:14:51 I really wish it wouldn't try to download all my installed apps just after doctoring. very annoying Mar 03 16:14:54 oil Mar 03 16:14:58 is expensive Mar 03 16:15:00 that's the joke Mar 03 16:15:13 hmm. I don't like irony in chats Mar 03 16:15:23 you are in the wrong channel, then Mar 03 16:15:25 :) Mar 03 16:15:39 thomaschaaf: price of gas is increasing in US Mar 03 16:16:09 i'm in germany our prices just went up 30 cents per liter in 3 weeks Mar 03 16:16:29 #webos&irony Mar 03 16:17:08 * haeffb_pre sitting in Dr's office, waiting on annual exam Mar 03 16:17:15 so it went up 1.50 USD per Gallon Mar 03 16:17:22 so I have time for irony Mar 03 16:17:31 in 3 weeks Mar 03 16:17:42 well... germany is weird Mar 03 16:17:44 wow. I don't feel so bad Mar 03 16:18:06 yeah. liters. weird. Mar 03 16:18:24 1,52€ per liter is current price for regular which is 8 USD per gallon Mar 03 16:18:30 Mojo.timing? Mar 03 16:18:42 (back to #webos) Mar 03 16:19:25 I'll try that later.. Mar 03 16:19:57 well that's because your country has like an 80% tax on petrolium Mar 03 16:20:28 well it's around 50% yep.. Mar 03 16:21:31 and we have govt subsidies...? Mar 03 16:21:50 public policy in US is weird Mar 03 16:22:01 can someone else just try this.controller.listen("gamearea", Mojo.Event.flick, function(e) {Mojo.Log.info("test")}); and try how long it takes? Mar 03 16:22:09 because we are that awesome Mar 03 16:26:15 hmm ;( Mar 03 16:26:58 I remember Anivrom complaining about flick events Mar 03 16:27:07 I think they come after scrolling, so that is part of the delay Mar 03 16:27:14 er dragging Mar 03 16:27:32 lol oil is expensive Mar 03 16:27:38 over 100/barrel Mar 03 16:27:49 so I should reimplement flick with drag? Mar 03 16:27:54 I blame oil fot this Mar 03 16:28:20 thomaschaaf: what are you trying to do, if you want to catch an actual flick as opposed to drag, you have to use flick Mar 03 16:29:07 I am working on a game where I want you to be able to control something my flicking up for up and left for left etc.. Mar 03 16:29:40 this has to be instant or with minimal lag.. else the game is just less fun Mar 03 16:29:45 sounds like you need to use flick, then Mar 03 17:06:39 hmm game development with js is quiet interessting I have not done something with moving things.. how would you move a picture (the character) from a to b? but I need to be able to stop it where it is and always get back it's coordinates because there are "walls" Mar 03 17:14:09 well best way would be to use JS and a timer function so you can get very specific in your loop, however you could also use css and transitions Mar 03 17:15:52 everything else is arbitrary and something you decide Mar 03 17:18:07 am thinking about using gamequery Mar 03 17:18:11 You can't render things offscreen and then flip it in js, can you? Mar 03 17:20:24 if "offscreen" is beyond the width/height of the viewport, sure you can Mar 03 17:30:13 if i've got a streaming audio playing, is there a way to stop it from buffering when a user taps the pause button? (unless i'm not understanding things correctly) Mar 03 17:32:33 Heh, I cant believe people are still putting down a rear facing camera on a tablet... Mar 03 17:36:55 it's alright, not terribly useful though Mar 03 17:37:13 the big bonus of one on a phone is that it's always with you Mar 03 17:37:15 its a nicetohave only Mar 03 17:37:52 and on a 10" tablet especially it gets a little awkward to use Mar 03 17:38:05 as long as they keep the price down by not having it Mar 03 17:40:03 What about a 10Mpx camera with autofocus and at least 4x Zoom? ... in a Tablet? Oh, and xenon flash please ;) Mar 03 17:41:14 a real camera? haha Mar 03 17:41:18 good luck Mar 03 17:41:46 just give me a 10Mpx sensor and a 4/3 lens mount, and a hotshoe on top while you're at it Mar 03 17:41:57 done Mar 03 17:42:37 oh and it should balance itself if I set it on the table standing up Mar 03 17:42:48 none of this kickstand bs Mar 03 17:43:24 it already has gyroscopes Mar 03 17:44:13 slap some solar panels on the back and send it to orbit Mar 03 17:44:33 I do want a solar charger for my pre Mar 03 17:44:46 I would kill for a solar back for my nook Mar 03 17:45:00 that would be epic Mar 03 17:45:24 Heh, anyone notice that Nielson thinks that there's HTC webOS hardware? :P http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/visualized-us-smartphone-market-share-by-manufacturer-and-plat/ Mar 03 17:45:39 I actually had it die on me last week because I wasnt paying attention to it Mar 03 17:49:47 how do I get the "top" style in px? I would like to do some manipulation of the ui and need the coordinates in top/left. How do I get the "top" statement f.e. without the px at the end? I only know Element.getStyle("top") but that returns "12px" Mar 03 17:51:25 top as in... you're trying to determine where an element is located on the page? Mar 03 17:52:22 wrote my first app last night using Ares. way more friendly than Eclipse Mar 03 17:55:50 djwhitey, to be fair, almost anything is more friendly than Eclipse :p Mar 03 17:56:15 thomaschaaf: if you just need the number of pixels, you can pass "12px" as a string to parseInt and it'll spit 12 out at you. Mar 03 18:18:08 has there been any indication as to TouchPad price point? Mar 03 18:18:56 not that I've heard Mar 03 18:19:25 yeah, me neither, just wanted to check Mar 03 18:21:20 699 ive seen Mar 03 18:21:27 but nothing official Mar 03 18:22:09 man, I hope not :( Mar 03 18:23:14 They need to get really compet on the price point Mar 03 18:23:25 699 for which model, CTLAdvance? Mar 03 18:23:32 299/399 wifi/3g Mar 03 18:23:56 SineOT I have heard that would be for a wifi model Mar 03 18:23:57 The one MAJOR thing HP has going with it is that the wifi version will launch first and for less Mar 03 18:24:20 I really don't see how the wifi model could push 699 realistically though Mar 03 18:24:38 It's a feature rich tablet sure but it's not THAT feature rich Mar 03 18:24:49 I wouldnt say thats major, more or less another sad point they have to wait to get some 3g/wimax/lte service Mar 03 18:25:03 I think 699 would be a joke on wifi Mar 03 18:25:23 Nah, I'd say it's major :p Mar 03 18:25:25 they really need to get a low price point, 299/399 for wifi Mar 03 18:25:29 399/499 for 3g Mar 03 18:25:32 lol Mar 03 18:25:59 Puts the tablets way deeper into the impulse buy category since you don't have to enter into a contract for it at the same time like a lot of other tablets have done recently Mar 03 18:26:19 i might do 399 for wifi Mar 03 18:26:20 What I would like to see is a breakdown of the 15 million ipads sole, broken down by Wifi vs. 3g Mar 03 18:27:33 sold Mar 03 18:27:56 yeah, I don't know if that kind of info has ever really been released through Mar 03 18:28:09 I doubt it has Mar 03 18:28:18 but when you look at devices side by side Mar 03 18:28:41 I know that within my family, and in a few of the others I've talked with, the fact that with something like the Xoom you've got to contract it or with the Galaxy Tab you've got to contract it Mar 03 18:28:43 is a huge turn off Mar 03 18:28:45 iPad has a much more robust catalog which is what will dictate alot of the impulse Mar 03 18:29:00 Yeah I agree Mar 03 18:29:06 esp with the price point Mar 03 18:29:11 but if the price point is right Mar 03 18:29:16 then its usually a non issue Mar 03 18:29:19 (I know you can get the Xoom prepaid but who the fuck would pay 800 for a tablet where you still have to buy a month of data if you want to use the wifi) Mar 03 18:29:26 I know it Mar 03 18:30:15 I've really only seen one person with a Xoom Mar 03 18:30:30 Did you see the ipad is now certified by the FAA to replace pilot charts and maps Mar 03 18:30:41 I played with a xoom a little bit, it's kinda cool Mar 03 18:30:43 I work out of a pretty busy Starbucks between classes, and I see a ton of business folks with blackberries and iPads Mar 03 18:31:05 CTLAdvance: the catalog, on top of the $350 refurb price, I almost feel like I should jump now :) Mar 03 18:31:15 on what Mar 03 18:31:17 only guy I've seen with a Xoom was rocking a full blown pedostache, acid wash ill fitting jeans, and a polo shirt a few sizes too big Mar 03 18:31:21 350 for ipad refurb? Mar 03 18:31:26 CTLAdvance: 1st gen ipad, 16gb Mar 03 18:31:28 yeah Mar 03 18:31:32 wifi Mar 03 18:31:32 from apple direct? Mar 03 18:31:34 yes Mar 03 18:31:35 I'd just pay the 399 to get it new with the full new warranty Mar 03 18:31:43 could do that too Mar 03 18:31:45 lol thats true Mar 03 18:32:03 you get a full warranty with refurbs Mar 03 18:32:05 and not the 90 day refurb warranty Mar 03 18:32:07 I like the front and rear camers to much for facetime, I would need to get a 2 Mar 03 18:32:08 apple's refurbs are top notch Mar 03 18:32:26 I had a 1st gen iPod touch, and it lasted for 3 years Mar 03 18:32:28 No its a full year if you buy direct from apple Mar 03 18:32:28 is it full? it's been so long I bought any apple refurbs Mar 03 18:32:40 my last apple refurb was a first gen iPod Nano XD Mar 03 18:32:40 they are apple certified Mar 03 18:32:48 yeah, they offer full warranties (and you can buy applecare) on refurbs Mar 03 18:33:00 awesome Mar 03 18:33:15 refurb is a great way to get a good deal on a computer from them Mar 03 18:33:26 yeah Mar 03 18:34:05 one thing that I don't get with the iPad 2: it does 1080p out, but... For everything except video Mar 03 18:34:36 DRM. Mar 03 18:34:39 that's why. Mar 03 18:34:56 SineOt: People will just jailbreak it and jump around that Mar 03 18:35:06 er, no, I don't buy that :p Mar 03 18:35:08 I remember there's VLC for the thing Mar 03 18:35:18 NuttyBunny not in the app store anymore Mar 03 18:35:20 I think they cheaped on the video decoder since it caps at 720p for video still Mar 03 18:35:25 no way Mar 03 18:35:45 I *guarantee* it can decode 1080p h264, no sweat. Mar 03 18:36:16 funkatron: cydia? Mar 03 18:36:22 just like the iPhone 3GS? XD Mar 03 18:36:24 NuttyBunny: it may be in Cydia, yeah Mar 03 18:36:38 I'm not talking about the iPhone 3GS Mar 03 18:36:49 (can decode 1080p but it causes the iOS backend to basically shit itself) Mar 03 18:36:51 I'm talking about the iPad 2. I guarantee that chip can do it. Mar 03 18:37:08 it's being artificially capped Mar 03 18:37:10 This is going to be a very interesting year for tech Mar 03 18:37:39 iPhone 5 is still in the works... android is still launching crazy devices, and HP will be launching in the middle of it Mar 03 18:37:57 umm is blackberry even still around? Mar 03 18:38:02 okay Mar 03 18:38:07 oops wrong channel Mar 03 18:38:10 lol Mar 03 18:38:48 yeah Blackberry is still around, haha Mar 03 18:38:53 Northwestern University Professor Defends Explicit Sex Toy Demonstration After Class Mar 03 18:39:05 rumors going around that they might bring BBM to other platforms like Android and iOS Mar 03 18:39:22 and there's tons of rumors that they might have a port of Dalvik to let you run Android apps on your Blackberry Mar 03 18:39:59 Yes I have seen that Mar 03 18:40:07 * CTLAdvance was mostly joking Mar 03 18:40:15 Very interesting year indeed Mar 03 18:40:28 though if you get a playbook I guess you will get a free copy of need for speed Mar 03 18:40:37 (at that ppoint though it's like why bother getting a blackberry) Mar 03 18:41:05 SineOt: if BBM goes on other platforms, but android apps can be run on a blackberry, BB will very much stay in the game, at least in my mind Mar 03 18:42:02 yeah, but why stick yourself with Blackberry devices if you could run BBM + all Android apps on something like an Evo 2? Mar 03 18:58:56 re Mar 03 18:59:10 what a boring day @ work Mar 03 19:01:51 glad mine is over :P Mar 03 19:02:21 games take WAY too long to install :( Mar 03 19:36:44 hotdp: mine too Mar 03 20:06:10 sugardave: ping Mar 03 20:14:04 hotdp: yo Mar 03 20:49:20 * oil looks at backlog to see if someone pinged him, sees he is only getting blamed for shit Mar 03 20:50:04 oil broke it! Mar 03 20:50:08 Blame oil... Mar 03 20:50:18 oh, we also said you died and were ashamed of someone not knowing what wirc was Mar 03 20:50:20 oil: wtf Mar 03 20:51:33 just saw palm marketing video and changed my app desccripttion, does that stuff work Mar 03 20:55:58 OIL! Mar 03 20:56:07 ? Mar 03 20:56:21 is there an article somehwere on the web about parsing xml files in webos? Mar 03 20:56:46 * CTLAdvance throws oil dispersant on oil and watches him disperse away Mar 03 20:56:49 muwahahaha Mar 03 20:57:19 bradley you parse xml files like you do in any browser using JS Mar 03 20:57:24 bradly, and article about parsing xml files with js will do Mar 03 20:57:29 any* Mar 03 20:57:44 ok thanks Mar 03 21:00:53 chuqui: i am not feeling well in my role, as i always post bugs in the forums. Mar 03 21:01:27 chuqui: but i don't want to blame you, want to help you to spot them Mar 03 21:06:25 trust me, he knows Mar 03 21:06:39 * oil has yet to get anything useful from posting on the dev forums Mar 03 21:07:27 lol Mar 03 21:07:32 no cool avatar? Mar 03 21:07:36 still better than pc! Mar 03 21:07:51 pfft, facehp* Mar 03 21:11:09 if only there were some dedicated people that had the authority, time, and mission to fix the dev forum... Mar 03 21:12:01 lol Mar 03 21:12:13 Lets start by getting the dev forum working in IE8/9 Mar 03 21:12:32 and search that, you know, works Mar 03 21:12:36 yep Mar 03 21:12:43 oil: that's just crazy talk Mar 03 21:12:51 then lets get sugardave a paid position answering questions Mar 03 21:12:57 what good is a forum of information if its unsearchable? Mar 03 21:12:57 scratch that Mar 03 21:12:58 forum search works Mar 03 21:13:01 not paid position Mar 03 21:13:05 hey Mar 03 21:13:10 sugardave, search for db8 Mar 03 21:13:17 wait, we're moving backwards Mar 03 21:13:26 oh, not 4 letters, can't search for it Mar 03 21:13:29 ... Mar 03 21:13:30 oops Mar 03 21:13:35 hell lets make sugardave the unpaid human search element Mar 03 21:13:48 no Mar 03 21:13:51 let's not do that Mar 03 21:13:55 he can have a master index of pages to look through Mar 03 21:13:56 * oil seconds that motion Mar 03 21:14:08 and make himself a webOS app to help Mar 03 21:14:19 just tell the interns to do it Mar 03 21:14:24 then he can have a banana for every 10 questions he answers Mar 03 21:14:33 interns get paid Mar 03 21:14:37 that's a lot of bananas Mar 03 21:14:39 unpaid internships Mar 03 21:14:43 i had one :) Mar 03 21:14:51 eh, you dont find good unpaid interns anymore Mar 03 21:14:58 meh Mar 03 21:15:02 or rarely Mar 03 21:15:03 this was 2002... Mar 03 21:15:17 PC Technician at a bank Mar 03 21:15:19 lol Mar 03 21:15:19 yeah it is 2011 now and we have something called facebook Mar 03 21:15:23 hahaha Mar 03 21:15:26 unpaid interns dont exist Mar 03 21:15:35 good unpaid interns* Mar 03 21:15:53 farmville specialists do though Mar 03 21:15:58 what's this facebook you speak of? Mar 03 21:15:58 you can get plenty of those these days Mar 03 21:16:19 Whats worse though is the senior farmville specialists Mar 03 21:16:21 I remember when people laughed at me when I told them about FarmVille Mar 03 21:16:30 are they like the myface engineers? Mar 03 21:16:36 now is a billion dollar industry Mar 03 21:16:39 I played it for about 2 weeks Mar 03 21:16:39 * oil will still laugh in the face of anyone who speaks of farmville Mar 03 21:16:54 * CTLAdvance bings oil Mar 03 21:16:58 * CTLAdvance bings it good Mar 03 21:17:07 i sigh when i look at facebook credits in the grocery aisle Mar 03 21:17:23 my wife got totally hooked on it, her facebook friends, etc....all vile addicts Mar 03 21:17:34 eck Mar 03 21:17:41 facebook credits? Mar 03 21:17:58 yeah it's like itunes money Mar 03 21:18:05 oops, sorry i said that in here Mar 03 21:18:11 itunes? Mar 03 21:18:14 AHHH Mar 03 21:18:18 sorry, I have no apple :) Mar 03 21:18:22 you can get locked into the itunes ecosystem all you want Mar 03 21:18:24 i like oranges. Mar 03 21:18:26 * oil could care less :) Mar 03 21:18:30 I have an apple, and I sliced it into pieces Mar 03 21:18:30 couldn't Mar 03 21:18:32 couldn't* Mar 03 21:18:34 couldn't care less Mar 03 21:18:35 damnet, always get that wrong Mar 03 21:18:38 haha Mar 03 21:18:44 i get so pissed Mar 03 21:18:50 a good song has that in their lyrics Mar 03 21:18:53 grr. Mar 03 21:19:34 oh, I get it...I have 20 free facebook credits which are about to expire Mar 03 21:19:37 I had no idea Mar 03 21:19:47 is it bad when your laptop fan heats your can of soda to a point where you almost cant drink it but do anyway Mar 03 21:19:51 * sugardave sucks at social media. Mar 03 21:20:58 what did that infographic say? 30% of facebook is >60 Mar 03 21:21:01 lol Mar 03 21:21:15 damn Mar 03 21:21:56 I didnt see an infographic, our human search monkey...er sugardave didnt provide me the correct results yet Mar 03 21:22:05 will a banana help? Mar 03 21:22:12 bananas always help Mar 03 21:22:17 What do you mean you cant search for 3 letter words Mar 03 21:22:44 if we get enough sugardaves in a room banging on keyboards will they write shakespeare? Mar 03 21:22:51 no Mar 03 21:22:55 mm good question Mar 03 21:23:01 hi Mar 03 21:23:03 wt Mar 03 21:23:04 search(word) { ASSERT(word.length <= 3);} Mar 03 21:23:04 f Mar 03 21:23:05 probably will cause some sort of rip in the time space Mar 03 21:23:15 no, you can't mix sugar with great books Mar 03 21:23:38 thx chuqui Mar 03 21:23:41 * MetaView bows Mar 03 21:23:48 How many sugardaves does it take to search the developer documents Mar 03 21:23:49 * nico_32 is wondering how to contribute a patch to the meta-doctor Mar 03 21:23:51 1 Mar 03 21:23:51 MetaView: my pleasure Mar 03 21:23:56 haha Mar 03 21:24:15 :P Mar 03 21:24:30 so, oil, I just searched 'wtf' on the forum and there are many hits Mar 03 21:24:36 lol Mar 03 21:24:44 haha Mar 03 21:24:58 is there an easy way to inspect what's in the database in the emulator? Mar 03 21:25:10 impostah Mar 03 21:25:36 I think the search doesn't take into account all the possible forums you might have access to Mar 03 21:26:33 which sucks Mar 03 21:27:34 oh boy Mar 03 21:27:43 we got gifts yesterday and I didnt even know it Mar 03 21:28:01 * CTLAdvance goes to open bag of gifts Mar 03 21:28:07 which not only sucks Mar 03 21:28:28 but brings me back to my point of broken search makes the repository of info in the forums useless Mar 03 21:28:44 unless you look at and read every single thread Mar 03 21:29:21 anyways, back to work, bbl Mar 03 21:30:35 webos 2.1.0 looks nice Mar 03 21:30:47 it's smooth Mar 03 21:31:07 has someone wrote some docs on the builtin vpn ? Mar 03 21:31:12 i want to add openvpn to it Mar 03 21:32:34 sugardave: about farmville. ppl laughed at my company when i said webOS will come. Mar 03 21:32:47 sugardave: this days a guy from HP was there ;) Mar 03 21:33:07 heh Mar 03 21:38:39 Since the first game came out, 798,000 years have been spent playing Bejeweled. Yes, YEARS Mar 03 21:39:15 I only spend few hours on it Mar 03 21:49:08 whats prolly healthier, ramen noodles or spagetti-o's? thinking about going on a savings spree for a new car and figure if i can cheap out on food that could help :P Mar 03 21:49:45 probably ramen noodles Mar 03 21:49:56 though I prefer Spaghetti-Os Mar 03 21:50:03 yarh Mar 03 21:50:38 yeah ramen.. especially when you add some fresh produce in it Mar 03 21:50:48 i like adding bell pepper and pickles Mar 03 21:56:35 Does the verizon Pre2 come with Amazon music? Mar 03 21:58:19 it should Mar 03 21:58:47 My meta-doctored VZW Pre+ got it from the Pre2 doctor. Mar 03 21:59:20 ah ok good Mar 03 22:09:24 oil still around Mar 03 22:11:55 even when you're not looking Mar 03 22:17:39 wow I love how webOS decided to change my contacts from my live account to palm profile Mar 03 22:17:40 lame Mar 03 22:17:46 what garbage is this Mar 03 22:18:11 now I have to extract the complete list Mar 03 22:20:54 Anyone know how to extract the contacts from the device Mar 03 22:21:09 looks like the send all contacts via email patch is no good in 2.0.1 Mar 03 22:24:14 can you just copy the db ? Mar 03 22:24:31 contacts are in db8 now, no? Mar 03 22:30:28 i just edited the boot params for the 2.0 emulator and now i have webos @ 1024x768, thats pretty cool Mar 03 22:38:08 jmnx121: which webos? 2? 3? Mar 03 22:38:17 jmnx121: sorry, I seem to need coffe Mar 03 22:38:24 s/coffe/coffee Mar 03 22:38:34 its webos 2.1 the emulator tells me Mar 03 22:38:37 jmnx121: does it run cool? Mar 03 22:38:48 jmnx121: as in: is it practical? Mar 03 22:38:49 i mean there are obvious bugs, but it works just fine Mar 03 22:40:09 practical i'm not too sure the apps dont switch to the tablet apps… which was expected but it would have been cool if it did Mar 03 23:03:52 In the mail application there is a widget which allows you to open/collapse the folders of each mail account. What's that widget called? Mar 03 23:04:21 or better yet: is there a place I should look when I'm searching for something like this? Mar 03 23:05:05 are you talking about collapsible dividers? Mar 03 23:05:26 sugardave: yes! Mar 03 23:05:34 :D Mar 03 23:05:40 yeah, they are horrible in Mojo :( Mar 03 23:05:48 you can make them work Mar 03 23:05:56 but I always have a really hard time with them Mar 03 23:06:17 you should look in Style Matters and maybe even Mojo Matters Mar 03 23:06:36 thanks again sugardave Mar 03 23:06:54 np Mar 03 23:09:05 sugardave: I just read this now, but if you need them in the future and they are a pain to you, you might want to look at Drawers as they should be able to do something similar Mar 03 23:09:34 I hate drawers, too Mar 03 23:09:38 :) Mar 03 23:11:19 they can't possibly give me less documentation, can they. There's nothing more to find about them than "It's a list with a divider and a button" Mar 03 23:14:45 madnificent: download iHaveSpirit beta...I have some in there Mar 03 23:15:21 I micromanage them though with listeners for hiding/showing the sections they divide Mar 03 23:15:29 so it's pretty convoluted Mar 03 23:19:31 sugardave: I can probably see how you do it and work from there :) Mar 03 23:20:53 good luck with that.. :) Mar 03 23:21:04 sugardave: Can I somehow download the application source as well? Mar 03 23:21:09 the real question is how actually Mar 03 23:21:20 madnificent: just novaterm into your phone Mar 03 23:21:30 what's the min speed for streamin HD video in my home? Mar 03 23:21:33 and then you can cp -r the app dir to /media/internal Mar 03 23:21:38 then put the phone in usb mode Mar 03 23:21:44 copy Mar 03 23:21:45 profit Mar 03 23:21:57 should 10 MBs work? Mar 03 23:22:03 sugardave: sadly, I only have a USB cable here that allows me to charge, not to connect to the phone (I forgot my charger at my parent's place) Mar 03 23:22:28 regular micro usb won't let you novaterm to it? Mar 03 23:22:30 haeffb_pre: I seriously doubt that that'll be enough Mar 03 23:22:45 sugardave: the phone doesn't ask me to connect to the computer, so I suspect the cable is partly broken Mar 03 23:22:56 weak Mar 03 23:23:17 sugardave: yes! and frustrating! Mar 03 23:23:55 madnificent: what is your email? I will email you an ipk Mar 03 23:24:02 and you can install it in the emulator Mar 03 23:24:29 sugardave: your application works on the pre though :) Mar 03 23:24:40 sugardave: /msg and thanks! Mar 03 23:25:14 if you're not inclined to do so, I could check it out with internals... it's not like it's impossible either Mar 03 23:26:32 sugardave: also: that flasher is wicked! Mar 03 23:26:36 haha Mar 03 23:26:38 haeffb_pre: hates it Mar 03 23:27:01 I wrote "I pwn you" in it and it actually looks really offensive :D Mar 03 23:27:09 hahahaha Mar 03 23:27:51 I got your mail! thanks Mar 03 23:27:55 np Mar 03 23:28:02 good luck! :D Mar 03 23:29:40 Hello everyone! Mar 03 23:29:45 hello Mar 03 23:29:55 how is koto doin? Mar 03 23:30:11 good! Mar 03 23:30:20 bout to kill some bugs and finish up the next version Mar 03 23:30:42 many more negative "im too stupid to read this doesnt work on my phone" reviews? Mar 03 23:30:51 no! surprisingly Mar 03 23:31:14 lucky Mar 03 23:32:02 no kidding Mar 03 23:32:14 I think it's because its no longer at the topc Mar 03 23:32:18 top* of the recent Mar 03 23:34:37 ah Mar 03 23:35:03 "hates" is kind of a mild term Mar 03 23:36:20 know what I hate? Mar 03 23:36:32 Datamax I-class tag printers Mar 03 23:36:47 people who blame oil? Mar 03 23:37:25 no, i just feel sorry for those people Mar 03 23:42:54 people whose wirc connection dies every time they get a phone call? Mar 03 23:43:09 hahaha Mar 03 23:43:10 those people suck Mar 03 23:43:22 * sugardave prepares to call haeffb. Mar 03 23:43:37 I bet if someone besides oil made wIRC, it could stay on while you get a phone call Mar 03 23:43:40 doh! Mar 03 23:43:59 I blame oil Mar 03 23:44:05 sugardave: if I understand correctly: You have a big list containing both dividers and items and then there's a function to see if an item is a divider or not and a template for divider and non-divider Mar 03 23:44:06 correct? Mar 03 23:45:28 that sounds about right Mar 03 23:45:47 that knowledge and hours of frustration will likely get me there! Yay! Mar 03 23:46:47 madnificent: there's a little more subtlety to it Mar 03 23:47:12 there is a function in mojo lists to automatically divide it, but it assumes your list items are already sorted by some thing you want to divide on Mar 03 23:47:15 * madnificent decides to add that fancy stuff later, I still have to add support for adding actual data (likely to be more important for now) Mar 03 23:47:30 madnificent: what are you doing? Mar 03 23:47:30 in my case, I have the list sort on my special conference divisions Mar 03 23:47:33 sugardave: yes, I understood that, you really have to do everything yourself Mar 03 23:47:37 yes Mar 03 23:47:44 Tibfib: being frustrated that I don't have a todo-app in my phone :) Mar 03 23:47:49 done! ? Mar 03 23:47:53 I just happened to make my divider template be a collapsible divider Mar 03 23:48:07 madnificent: so you're making one? Mar 03 23:48:11 Tibfib: no, if you have an android simulator: see openloops, that's more like it Mar 03 23:48:28 sorry, don't Mar 03 23:48:40 Tibfib: I'm trying to build something and if that something happens to look like a todo app then I'll by very very happy Mar 03 23:49:00 http://sites.iode.co.uk/openloopz/ Mar 03 23:49:01 ? Mar 03 23:49:01 ooenloopz and I have been in discussion about webos app... Mar 03 23:49:10 still don't know if I should sell it or give it away :) It'll all depend on what it turns out to be I guess Mar 03 23:49:11 haeffb_pre: nice Mar 03 23:49:12 fight fight! Mar 03 23:49:19 but they're not ready Mar 03 23:49:34 sugardave: I've asked them in the past as well Mar 03 23:49:35 oooh, openloopz might be what I want in a task app Mar 03 23:49:54 no. Mar 03 23:50:00 Tibfib: yes it is, at least to some extent Mar 03 23:50:02 * Tibfib always tries to use todo apps but gives up Mar 03 23:50:12 haeffb_pre: why not? Mar 03 23:50:21 nirvana is what you want on a todo app Mar 03 23:50:30 * madnificent is virtually lost since he doesn't use his android phone anymore, only due to it lacking a good todo app Mar 03 23:51:00 but they're not ready yet either Mar 03 23:51:31 http://nirvanahq.com ? Mar 03 23:52:34 haeffb_pre: got an extra invite code for nirvana? Mar 03 23:52:59 haeffb_pre: I don't know it, but they don't have a webos app yet iirc Mar 03 23:53:10 that shouldn't be iirc Mar 03 23:53:21 * madnificent probably fried his brain somewhere Mar 03 23:53:28 they dont Mar 03 23:54:20 Tibfib: you should be able to get in quickly Mar 03 23:54:29 alrighty Mar 03 23:55:18 if not, let me know... Mar 03 23:58:00 Tibfib: koto player on a 2.1 vzw preplus = excellent! Mar 03 23:58:11 Loudergood: Thanks! Mar 03 23:58:55 any feedback/ideas/problems? Mar 03 23:59:13 not yet Mar 03 23:59:20 lemme know! Mar 04 00:00:44 heres an idea: less suck :) Mar 04 00:00:57 oilsworkn: get wIRC to work with phone calls! Mar 04 00:01:04 it does Mar 04 00:01:08 if you're on wifi Mar 04 00:01:09 on sprint Mar 04 00:01:10 or gsm Mar 04 00:01:13 NO WIFIS Mar 04 00:01:20 well, its impossible Mar 04 00:01:40 * Tibfib blames oil for impossibility Mar 04 00:01:52 solution: be less popular so you get less calls while you're ircing Mar 04 00:02:19 good thinking! Mar 04 00:02:49 i use wirc on my sprint pixi while in phone calls Mar 04 00:03:04 * dumbledore loves his wifi enabled pixi :D Mar 04 00:04:24 hey when in the month do you get sales reports? Mar 04 00:04:38 (typically) Mar 04 00:04:55 when you get it Mar 04 00:06:40 sugardave ? Mar 04 00:10:22 Tibfib: I think about the same time they send out the benjamins Mar 04 00:10:33 and that is ..? Mar 04 00:10:49 around the 20th of the month for last month's numbers Mar 04 00:10:57 alrighty, thanks! Mar 04 00:11:06 np Mar 04 00:14:18 whee, confirmed for Pre 2 dev device Mar 04 00:14:24 :( Mar 04 00:14:27 Does defragging the drive speed up WebOS? Mar 04 00:15:41 it's flash. Defragging it is not good. Mar 04 00:15:58 gkatsev: cool. Good to know. Mar 04 00:16:49 yeah, flash memory has a limited write amount Mar 04 00:16:53 sugardave: did you contact them again? Mar 04 00:20:30 flash these days is way more resilient than you are ever going to punish it in a smartphone that most US consumers throw away after a year. Mar 04 00:21:53 can you call Mojo.Controller.getAppController() in a single stage app? Mar 04 00:22:06 rwhitby: that's true. But defragging it isn't going to help it be faster anyway. Mar 04 00:22:53 Tibfib: usually early in month Mar 04 00:23:01 5th or so Mar 04 00:23:16 hmmm, who to believe :) Mar 04 00:23:23 gkatsev: on the contrary, if you only have to rewrite one flash block instead of two, it's gonna be faster. Mar 04 00:23:46 but normal defragging tools are not going to understand that. Mar 04 00:24:10 hm... ok. Mar 04 00:24:37 but that effect only really matters at the edges of small files, not when a large file covers multiple blocks Mar 04 00:25:44 ok, good to know. Mar 04 00:25:52 dohtem: I sent a secondary email a few days ago but got no response on that one Mar 04 00:25:57 Tibfib: believe haeffb_pre Mar 04 00:26:44 Tibfib: yes, you can call .getAppController() in a single stage app Mar 04 00:26:49 there is a default app controller Mar 04 00:27:01 sugardave: hmm, I'm testing it now and it doesn't seem to be working Mar 04 00:27:26 what can I say? You're foing it wrong :P Mar 04 00:27:28 doing Mar 04 00:27:29 Mojo.Controller.getAppController().closeAllStages(); Mar 04 00:27:39 doesn't do anything Mar 04 00:27:43 it doesn't even error Mar 04 00:27:45 no error? Mar 04 00:27:49 hmm Mar 04 00:27:52 that is strange Mar 04 00:28:00 "you're foing it wrong" classic! Mar 04 00:28:06 hahaha Mar 04 00:28:10 but putting this.controller.window.close() worked fine Mar 04 02:22:36 heh Mar 04 02:22:46 anyone want a cheap droid tablet? Mar 04 02:22:53 What flavor? Mar 04 02:22:54 mind you the palm pre has better specs :P Mar 04 02:23:05 http://www.stealday.com/7-Inch-IPad-Tablet-PC-With-Touchscreen-WIFI_p_2976.html Mar 04 02:24:14 wait.. hah isnt that an ipad in the images? Mar 04 02:24:37 Only the first one. Mar 04 02:25:01 The others are 16x9. That said, you see "iPad" in the URL bar… Mar 04 02:25:20 Also consider that they use comic sans on their site.. Mar 04 02:25:25 lol Mar 04 02:25:35 they offer live support tho.. Mar 04 02:25:47 yeah, it's a shitty KIRF tablet, why bother? :p Mar 04 02:25:58 well actually Mar 04 02:26:04 it shows 3 different tablets Mar 04 02:26:08 which one am i getting? Mar 04 02:26:13 Uh... Mar 04 02:26:31 This one? Mar 04 02:26:31 http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/apple_media_pad_mockup.jpg Mar 04 02:26:41 ugh, you'll be getting a terrible tablet :p Mar 04 02:26:54 resistive touchscreen Mar 04 02:27:07 If you're wanting a cheapo android tablet, go and spend $250 and get yourself a nook color. Mar 04 02:27:10 im not buying that crap Mar 04 02:27:17 oh, good god, haha Mar 04 02:27:19 was just passing along the savings ;P Mar 04 02:27:34 heh Mar 04 02:27:34 anyone want a cheap droid tablet? Mar 04 02:27:34 dawm> mind you the palm pre has better specs :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 04 02:59:59 2011