**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 08 02:59:57 2011 Mar 08 04:13:27 g.evening folks Mar 08 04:14:54 have not developed in months are we able 2 upload 2.0 apps now? Mar 08 04:18:22 yep Mar 08 04:20:38 right on, need to revamp apps in the next few weeks, have not touched mojo code in about 5 months Mar 08 04:22:31 hay tibfib Mar 08 04:22:41 howdy Mar 08 04:22:59 do you use any of the advanced device things? Mar 08 04:23:03 and I meta doctored!!! Mar 08 04:23:04 yay Mar 08 04:23:05 lol Mar 08 04:23:07 I have no idea what that means Mar 08 04:23:22 what what means? Mar 08 04:23:31 "do you use any of the advanced device things?" Mar 08 04:23:34 I ment andanced device menu patches :p Mar 08 04:23:40 oh yeah I do Mar 08 04:24:01 can you make the battery show a percent with it? Mar 08 04:24:12 not sure Mar 08 04:24:14 and do you use the "advanced power menu"? Mar 08 04:24:19 yep Mar 08 04:24:30 how do you configure it? Mar 08 04:24:39 I can't figure it out, and the wiki is down Mar 08 04:24:42 not sure Mar 08 04:24:45 :) Mar 08 04:24:52 i was about to say read the wiki page Mar 08 04:24:54 hehe Mar 08 04:25:01 how did *u* configure it :p Mar 08 04:25:09 I didn't configure advanced power menu. Mar 08 04:25:21 man Mar 08 04:25:22 ok Mar 08 04:25:27 check again. think it'sup now Mar 08 04:25:28 actually, I might be using jason's. if that's even different Mar 08 04:25:42 I'll just wait till the wiki comes back up or email sonix Mar 08 04:25:53 nm it's not Mar 08 04:25:53 I'll check again djwhitey Mar 08 04:26:07 oh. ok Mar 08 04:26:22 so how have we all been? Mar 08 04:26:31 bye all Mar 08 04:26:41 siging off the pixi *waves bye* Mar 08 04:27:43 man 1GHz is blazing fast!!! Mar 08 04:28:37 PatrickC_Pixi: I've had luck with holding down the orange/gray option key and then tapping the device/mode/today menus Mar 08 04:29:17 that's what I do, but I can't figure out how to customize the power menu Mar 08 04:30:01 Oh, I don't think you can customize that one... Hang on a sec Mar 08 04:30:18 kk Mar 08 04:30:27 hold the power button longer Mar 08 04:31:12 thanks rwhitby! Mar 08 04:31:45 Yup, awesome :) Mar 08 04:32:04 rwhitby is just awesome :) Mar 08 04:46:55 how is everyone? Mar 08 05:52:25 webos is java and what else ? Mar 08 05:52:44 webos has no java at all Mar 08 05:53:12 what would i need to program an app .. i have no programming skills and need to start somehwere Mar 08 05:53:32 i would love to be able to look at somebodys code and be like oh wow fix this Mar 08 05:54:15 the SDK has sample code and the reference code for some of the on-device applications. have you installed the SDK and read the documentation? Mar 08 05:54:36 i have sdk .. but i need to start programming .. i have 0 knowledge Mar 08 05:56:55 http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596155254/index.html Mar 08 05:57:18 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXS3SQauwPE Mar 08 05:57:28 coo thanks Mar 08 06:10:43 rwhitby- do you think i should learn html first to get the hang of this ? Mar 08 06:20:02 yes, and javascript Mar 08 06:20:13 k Mar 08 06:32:25 joeb_: this site also has alot of code sample http://webos101.com/Main_Page Mar 08 07:22:15 morning Mar 08 07:23:02 good morning swisstomcat! Mar 08 07:23:40 hey Mar 08 07:24:32 Good morning swisstomcat! Hows there weather? Its starting to fell like better weather is comming! Mar 08 07:24:48 yeah Mar 08 07:24:53 sun in the morning Mar 08 07:24:59 yer! Mar 08 07:25:01 blue sky Mar 08 07:25:05 its good Mar 08 10:03:18 zzzzZZZZZ Mar 08 10:52:31 eh? Mar 08 10:52:47 crickets Mar 08 11:08:34 *chirp chirp* Mar 08 11:48:48 WTF Mar 08 11:48:51 http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/8a66ecfc-eb2c-4825-a841-beb05142479e1.jpg?w=500&h=375 Mar 08 11:48:56 erm Mar 08 11:49:08 http://bit.ly/f1zh8U Mar 08 11:59:04 wtf`? Mar 08 11:59:20 what is it Mar 08 11:59:42 a listening device Mar 08 11:59:47 before radar Mar 08 12:00:01 to listen for approching aircraft Mar 08 12:00:17 what is it called Mar 08 12:00:30 wow..looks like giant tubas Mar 08 12:01:19 http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/03/03/white-trash-repairs-historical-thursday-acoustic-location/ Mar 08 12:05:07 its funny! Mar 08 13:47:49 anybody know how to change width of slide, http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6335&view=next and http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6378&start=0 doesn't work Mar 08 13:59:28 and I am im meant slider there Mar 08 14:00:02 anybody know how to change width of slider, http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6335&view=next and http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6378&start=0 doesn't work Mar 08 14:00:11 no need to spam Mar 08 14:03:02 ok, just corrected what I wrote, but got your point Mar 08 14:36:29 hi guys Mar 08 14:36:48 how long does it "usually" take to get into the "early access programm"? Mar 08 14:37:02 (after signing the NDA of course) Mar 08 14:37:26 depends on chuq's load Mar 08 14:37:34 after the feb 9th event hes been a bit backed up Mar 08 14:38:42 ok thanks Mar 08 14:40:12 I mailed the agreement yesterday. But as long as it works out, I'm willing to wait ;) Mar 08 14:40:24 i'd wait at least 3 days Mar 08 14:41:04 seems reasonable if their that limited in ressources :( Mar 08 14:41:12 they're Mar 08 14:41:21 (vorallem wacht er jeweils erst um 17uhr unsere zeit auf) Mar 08 14:41:45 yer but know someone who havee waited over 7 days Mar 08 14:42:06 But all good things comes to people who wait Mar 08 14:42:09 also the pre2 dev device program is backed up with 100s of requests Mar 08 14:42:42 is HP at least hiring people for their developer relations? Mar 08 14:42:55 i think so … even for europe :) Mar 08 14:43:08 sounds like a small startup, coming from iOS/AppleWorld (tm) Mar 08 14:43:30 well, palm is a startup with 1000 employees Mar 08 14:43:38 but they're ramping up with HP on board Mar 08 14:43:41 takes time Mar 08 14:44:21 if things turn out right, I'll be getting myself a veer :) Mar 08 14:44:51 I'm so sick of apple's restrictions Mar 08 14:45:45 hp/palm could become nr.3 .. sitting between apple and google in many terms (openness,device fragmentation, ...) Mar 08 14:46:49 swisstomcat: you're not even mentioning WP7? :D Mar 08 14:47:13 well, i think wp7 is in a worse position Mar 08 14:47:37 they have no "community" Mar 08 14:47:54 their development is windows only Mar 08 14:48:00 wp7 and there lack of html5 is very bad Mar 08 14:48:05 that's a no go Mar 08 14:48:06 they have a weak browser Mar 08 14:48:32 what are talking about? Mar 08 14:48:36 its build on ie7 :P Mar 08 14:48:39 hahahaha Mar 08 14:48:42 :D Mar 08 14:48:42 it sucks. Mar 08 14:48:48 but it will be better in fall they say.. Mar 08 14:48:54 but still.. wp7 not good :s Mar 08 14:48:56 hey did you bitches by Spaz Special Ed. yet? Mar 08 14:48:57 or next year Mar 08 14:49:03 bbl! Mar 08 14:49:10 funkatron: i would but i can't buy apps here :( Mar 08 14:49:16 same here Mar 08 14:49:19 swisstomcat: really? jesus Mar 08 14:49:20 no creditcard Mar 08 14:49:30 no paid apps in switzerland Mar 08 14:49:33 okay, well, just get the beta, it's the same. Mar 08 14:49:39 i have that one Mar 08 14:49:43 you're good then Mar 08 14:49:52 the beta will always have the themes Mar 08 14:49:57 (and the source code always has it there too) Mar 08 14:50:10 i hope palm/hp will open up the app catalog at some point Mar 08 14:50:11 in fact, the main version has them, you just need to modify the themes.js file. Mar 08 14:50:46 when I dismiss a dialog, my scene scrolls slightly upwards, any fix available Mar 08 14:58:56 woo! figured out how to create a zip file on ubuntu. I'm becoming a jedi master. Mar 08 14:59:31 heh Mar 08 14:59:53 i convinced my sister to get a pixi plus Mar 08 15:00:01 without phone service Mar 08 15:00:10 more as a pda around the house (on wifi) Mar 08 15:00:15 hard to beat $67 Mar 08 15:02:06 yeah, nice Mar 08 15:02:20 I paid like $300 for a Palm m505 years ago. Mar 08 15:04:58 told her about toodledo Mar 08 15:12:44 I'm not a fan Mar 08 15:12:56 but don't have anything better for my pre yet. Mar 08 15:16:57 Is there any sort of official bug reporting mechanism for WebOS? Mar 08 15:18:07 the developer forum and also the palm support forums Mar 08 15:18:39 That to me is a no. Mar 08 15:19:01 depends what you expect … bugzilla? Mar 08 15:19:30 Something along the lines thereof, or even just a form for specifically reporting bugs. Mar 08 15:20:01 nope, just email it in or post it on the developer forums Mar 08 15:20:21 enda or ben will likely reply w/ a bug number Mar 08 15:20:29 yeah Mar 08 15:21:19 I've succeeded in one thing though, I've had a bug filed against the Google Latitude API because of the southern hemisphere Pre GPS issues. Mar 08 15:21:23 I agree with Hendikins : this is a rather poor solution Mar 08 15:22:00 webforms streamline user input Mar 08 15:22:05 there were discussion of a public bug-tracker Mar 08 15:23:00 A public bug tracker would definitely be a nice to have, but isn't essential. Mar 08 15:23:02 swisstomcat: think about the user Mar 08 15:23:11 bug tracking system => "what the hell" Mar 08 15:23:15 yeah Mar 08 15:23:25 a support forum for users Mar 08 15:23:30 which exists Mar 08 15:23:42 which requires them to register? Mar 08 15:24:01 A support forum isn't the same as a bug reporting mechanism though. Mar 08 15:24:06 word Mar 08 15:24:20 bug reporting mechanism is one thing Mar 08 15:24:26 but then you need to be able to track them Mar 08 15:24:36 find duplicates .. manage statuses Mar 08 15:24:45 sync them with the internal bug tracker Mar 08 15:25:05 As a user I probably don't need to be able to. That side of it can be kept purely internal without much of a downside. Mar 08 15:25:44 * Hendikins has just been discussing the Pre GPS issues at length with a mate of his at Google. Mar 08 15:25:44 yeah, the user can just report them Mar 08 15:25:52 but they need to be managed somehow by someone Mar 08 15:26:01 othereise reports will just pile on Mar 08 15:28:15 theyve mentioned in the past looking at bug tracking solutins, but it isnt a priority atm Mar 08 15:28:39 id rather see them focus on getting the new devices to market, then get bug tracking ect going Mar 08 15:29:10 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5946 Mar 08 15:29:20 it requires additional manpower just to maintain the bug tracker Mar 08 15:29:22 As for the southern hemisphere GPS problem, the variance when location via Google Services is enabled is apparently 2^32 / 1e7 +/- margin of error for cell based location. Mar 08 15:33:56 And his assessment is "It looks like it's related to packing 32-bit values into a float" Mar 08 15:50:45 where can I find a good example of using OAuth in webOS? Mar 08 15:51:19 hmm Mar 08 15:51:34 didn't sugardave post and example on webos101? Mar 08 15:52:04 there's always github as well Mar 08 15:52:11 looking Mar 08 15:52:33 search www.google.com/codesearch for WebOS OAuth Mar 08 15:53:03 http://webos101.com/OAuth_for_Web_Services Mar 08 15:54:32 does spaz use OAuth? I'd like to see an example in an app. Mar 08 15:54:37 yes. Mar 08 15:54:52 more specifically we use the Twitter-specific xAuth variant Mar 08 15:56:05 hay all Mar 08 15:56:13 hai Mar 08 15:56:28 how's it goin swisstomcat? Mar 08 15:56:35 good, good Mar 08 15:56:44 what apps are you working on? Mar 08 15:56:55 my last mojo app .. connectdots Mar 08 15:57:03 and also working through the enyo tutorial Mar 08 15:57:21 but might add some just type and exhibition to old apps Mar 08 15:57:41 is that stuff still NDA? Mar 08 15:58:18 yeah :/ Mar 08 15:58:33 lol Mar 08 16:00:02 they better release that 2.x sdk ASAP Mar 08 16:00:07 silly to have it still in EA Mar 08 16:00:19 I know Mar 08 16:00:45 sshhhh Mar 08 16:01:34 * PatrickC_Pre didnt say anything this time :) Mar 08 16:02:16 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: "ssshhh" as in "be careful" ? Mar 08 16:03:00 sshhh as in even thefact that your in the EA program is covered in the nda, so discussing anything related to it in public == not good Mar 08 16:03:20 i don't think they still care about the NDA Mar 08 16:03:37 the fact that there is an EA program is public, the fact that JustType and Exhibition are in 2.0 is public Mar 08 16:03:42 well adora/chuqui isn't in here yet ;) Mar 08 16:03:53 exactly, haeffb Mar 08 16:03:55 lol Mar 08 16:04:17 http://twitter.com/graynorton/status/41028543550996480 Mar 08 16:05:56 yea... I want it out.. lol Mar 08 16:06:57 earworms is hard to figure out :D Mar 08 16:07:05 tell metaview Mar 08 16:07:13 not on rite now Mar 08 16:07:18 already checked Mar 08 16:07:30 man, I forgot to back up textpress :'( Mar 08 16:08:27 joeb_ how's it goin? Mar 08 16:10:17 apparently is going [NULL] Mar 08 16:10:33 lol Mar 08 16:10:55 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 Segfault : use of uninitialized value Mar 08 16:11:21 preware is open source? rite? Mar 08 16:12:09 yeah Mar 08 16:12:15 yup Mar 08 16:12:16 I thought it was Mar 08 16:12:28 For more information getting your application published in the WebOS Internals Source Code Repositories, please see the WebOS Internals Source Code Repositories page. For commit permission to the open source project, contact rwhitby on #webos-internals or email support@webos-internals.org Mar 08 16:12:29 all of webos-internals is open source Mar 08 16:12:58 ok Mar 08 16:13:01 thanks guys Mar 08 16:20:56 note- if you need a robotic arm, dont choose ABB Mar 08 16:21:01 :\ Mar 08 16:21:14 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: why is that? Mar 08 16:21:22 precentral won't let me log in :'( Mar 08 16:21:30 weeks to get an order in for a part, poor service in general Mar 08 16:21:44 that's a shame :( Mar 08 16:21:46 i have a cell down atm as a profibus card dosnt have all the capabilities we need Mar 08 16:21:59 we ordered the part number that their tech gave us when we speced it out w/ them Mar 08 16:22:49 trying to get someone from ABB on site now to rectify it and give us something thatll work Mar 08 16:23:01 never mind Mar 08 16:23:14 it helps to put in the right username :/ Mar 08 16:23:17 wrong part gets expensive when its $6k a pop Mar 08 16:23:34 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: aren't there qualified service partner near you? Mar 08 16:23:35 no it dosnt, logging in as someone else is always more fun! Mar 08 16:23:43 lol Mar 08 16:23:53 Lichtlos, yeah, i tried calling direct, and they sent me back to the main 800 number Mar 08 16:24:06 said they cant do anything till i sit on the phone w/ them forever Mar 08 16:24:23 last time i had to make 4 calls through 3 reps just to get a single part ordered Mar 08 16:24:36 1 says they have the paperwork on their desk, call the next day, they claim they never got it, ect Mar 08 16:24:41 they just don't want you as a customer :D Mar 08 16:24:51 bbl Mar 08 16:25:01 lol Mar 08 16:25:09 we may be a small company, but were providing service for multi billion dollar companies Mar 08 16:25:19 what do you need the arm for? Mar 08 16:25:35 an assembly cell in an automotive plant Mar 08 16:25:47 and oooo what companies do you provide stuff for???? Mar 08 16:25:57 NDA NDA!! Mar 08 16:25:57 :D Mar 08 16:26:01 lol Mar 08 16:26:20 scnr Mar 08 16:26:33 linux was nice last night, but kinda laggy... Mar 08 16:26:41 nah, this stuff isnt under an nda - its published on our website! Mar 08 16:26:46 bug tracking... Mar 08 16:26:47 now application specifics on the other hand... Mar 08 16:26:48 hah Mar 08 16:26:52 that is hilarious Mar 08 16:26:52 so is webOS 2.x? :P Mar 08 16:26:55 we supply stuff to the big 3 Mar 08 16:27:03 ford, gm, and chrysler Mar 08 16:27:12 FORD FTW!! lol Mar 08 16:27:30 can you get me a discount on a Ford GT? :) Mar 08 16:27:51 lol there isnt much of adiscount that you can get Mar 08 16:27:59 i dont deal w/ anyone on that side of things Mar 08 16:28:04 man Mar 08 16:28:10 just plant managers and parts suppliers Mar 08 16:28:18 * PatrickC_Pre really wanted a Ford GT for like $200 :) Mar 08 16:28:24 haha! Mar 08 16:28:42 if i could get em that good, id have 3 or 4 myself :-D Mar 08 16:28:44 or maybe just a tire? lol Mar 08 16:29:03 i could get you a volt exhaust pretty easy :-P Mar 08 16:29:08 lol Mar 08 16:29:16 volt..... naa I'll pass :p Mar 08 16:29:24 lol Mar 08 16:29:41 shelby GT500KR, no were talkin Mar 08 16:29:54 haha Mar 08 16:30:07 they aren't even street legal are they? Mar 08 16:30:18 this is soooo off topic :p Mar 08 16:30:31 yeah :-P not even in the ballpark of topic! Mar 08 16:30:38 yes it is. and thats why there is a watercooler channel Mar 08 16:30:52 lol Mar 08 16:31:23 does anyone in here use earworms? Mar 08 16:31:30 the app... Mar 08 16:32:50 i prefer earthworms Mar 08 16:32:54 esp ones names jim Mar 08 16:33:04 lol Mar 08 16:33:11 I can't get the app to work... Mar 08 16:33:58 dosnt show up in my app cat (9.9.9 profile - been to lazy to re-doctor) Mar 08 16:34:15 lol Mar 08 16:34:22 I got it first time :) Mar 08 16:34:31 check preware, its beta Mar 08 16:34:52 i messed w/ mine before everything was really finalized Mar 08 16:35:09 and ive been playing around w. stuff for the fun of it Mar 08 16:35:24 lol Mar 08 16:35:24 then ran out of time, and didnt go back to what was proven working Mar 08 16:35:30 it was easy for me (after I got kicked....) Mar 08 16:35:41 but its ok, i have a stock sprint pre and att pre plus sitting here to if i need to go back to it Mar 08 16:35:59 are any running 2.1? Mar 08 16:36:19 those 2 are just plain stock Mar 08 16:36:34 and the one im on now is not masquerading, thus the 9.9.9 Mar 08 16:37:13 stock is no fun though! that's why the GT500KR is so awesome :) Mar 08 16:37:24 haha Mar 08 16:37:31 need to keep something stock for proper testing Mar 08 16:37:49 keep one stock, and 2 bleeding edhe :) Mar 08 16:37:57 s/edhe/edge/ Mar 08 16:38:05 we need to get infobot on here Mar 08 16:39:11 does the VKB work in 2.1 good? Mar 08 16:39:22 havnt tried Mar 08 16:39:26 or does it still cause random luna boots? Mar 08 16:39:46 it looks nice... but the last one cause random luna boots for me... Mar 08 16:40:08 on a side note, every time luna crashes and reboots for me, and i yell "DAMN IT LUNA!!!" my dog cowers away Mar 08 16:40:17 (dogs name is luna - short for lunatic) Mar 08 16:40:21 hahaha Mar 08 16:40:22 tjat Mar 08 16:40:26 lol Mar 08 16:40:29 that*'s clutch Mar 08 16:40:37 I'm gonna start using it now Mar 08 16:40:49 if I leave, luna crashed... lol Mar 08 16:40:57 haha Mar 08 16:47:35 luna crashed... Mar 08 16:47:36 lol Mar 08 16:47:51 pre's back online Mar 08 16:48:44 are you sure? You could be offline, just echoing to yourself Mar 08 16:49:15 I forgot I had it set up to do that :p Mar 08 16:49:32 PatrickC_Pre: how are you? Mar 08 16:49:44 * Lichtlos enters ELIZA mode Mar 08 16:49:48 good now that luna's back up Mar 08 16:50:03 tell me more about luna Mar 08 16:50:21 luna sucks when it crashes :p Mar 08 16:50:30 and barks a lot Mar 08 16:50:45 luna(r) was a game released by game arts / working designs on the SCD, then again on the PSX Mar 08 16:50:51 :-P Mar 08 16:51:45 how many here use linux in a vbox? Mar 08 16:51:59 * Lichtlos quits ELIZA mode Mar 08 16:52:08 PatrickC_Pre: I do Mar 08 16:52:21 how much RAM do you give it? Mar 08 16:52:30 and what distro? Mar 08 16:52:47 depends Mar 08 16:53:00 on what? Mar 08 16:53:07 I've got 1x Ubuntu, 2xDebian, 1xFedora Core, 2x RedHat Mar 08 16:53:20 ubuntu please :) Mar 08 16:53:20 min 1GB, max 4GB Mar 08 16:53:42 well, I have 4GB max for entire PC Mar 08 16:53:44 (of course, all of them on x86_64 architecture) Mar 08 16:53:56 PatrickC_Pre: then use 1GB Mar 08 16:54:03 I gave it 1GB last night, and it was a little laggy Mar 08 16:54:20 laggy when doing what? Mar 08 16:54:27 making meta-doc Mar 08 16:54:29 did you install VBox guest extensions? Mar 08 16:54:37 no... Mar 08 16:54:45 I clicked it and nothing happened Mar 08 16:54:45 then you know what to do next Mar 08 16:54:56 hahaha Mar 08 16:55:02 there is no autorun in ubuntu Mar 08 16:55:03 n00b Mar 08 16:55:05 nope Mar 08 16:55:16 I am a n00b at ubuntu sugardave :p Mar 08 16:55:28 you should know I'm a n00b at most linux :) Mar 08 16:56:01 PatrickC_Pre: http://c3ks.de/4h Mar 08 16:56:15 Ubuntu on desktop, Windows in the vm...life is good Mar 08 16:56:29 sugardave: if your CPU has VT-x Mar 08 16:56:45 thanks lichtlos Mar 08 16:57:11 PatrickC_Pre: if you encounter problems, feel free to ask ;) Mar 08 16:57:38 well, I'm not at the PC that has the ubuntu on it rite now :( Mar 08 16:58:37 I'll be here for at least the next 7h Mar 08 16:58:41 Lichtlos: meh, I have run vms on non-vt chips. it's fine :) Mar 08 16:58:43 heh Mar 08 16:58:57 sugardave: on vbox 4.x? Mar 08 16:58:59 yeah, we used to do that all the time Mar 08 16:59:02 Lichtlos: no Mar 08 16:59:02 am i missing something .. Lichtlos do you have all those distros on vbox ? Mar 08 16:59:04 vmware :) Mar 08 16:59:23 at my RealJob Mar 08 16:59:30 joeb_: and even more on my esx server ;) Mar 08 16:59:34 * djwhitey ponders what will break during do-release-upgrade for Lucid->Maverick Mar 08 16:59:41 I've only ever used vb for webOS, it is cool Mar 08 17:00:01 djwhitey: Maverick is 10.10? Mar 08 17:00:05 djwhitey- im on maverick but it didn't come from lucid 0_o Mar 08 17:00:07 yea Mar 08 17:00:14 djwhitey: let me know ;) Mar 08 17:00:23 haha :P Mar 08 17:01:03 at this point probably not much...but then it's not like it's a debian upgrade Mar 08 17:01:07 djwhitey: depends on your setup ;) Mar 08 17:03:00 Lichtlos: smb, vsftp, miniDLNA, webmin, apache/mysql, fail2ban, transmission/flexget Mar 08 17:03:28 that last one is what i'm afraid of Mar 08 17:04:07 djwhitey: webmin? are you running a honeypot? :D Mar 08 17:04:41 LOL Mar 08 17:04:59 ack, no. is it that insecure? Mar 08 17:05:51 djwhitey: I wouldn't even run this in my flat share Mar 08 17:06:03 (local subnet with my room-mates) Mar 08 17:07:42 can someone help me with my app? Mar 08 17:07:52 its broke, and logs show nothing... Mar 08 17:08:04 debug it in Ares? Mar 08 17:08:15 no internet on dev PC Mar 08 17:08:22 :'( Mar 08 17:08:35 what's wrong? Mar 08 17:08:52 when I click on a menu item (appmenu) it pushed index.html Mar 08 17:09:03 then does nothing till I restart the app Mar 08 17:09:15 freebsd > ubuntu :-D Mar 08 17:10:40 SiLeNt_NiNjA1- but does it work with webos ? unless your running webos in vbox or vmware Mar 08 17:10:48 I can provide ipk/source if needed.... Mar 08 17:10:56 sounds like youll need a debugger somewhere to see where its crashing Mar 08 17:11:03 can you run a vbox inside a vbox? lol Mar 08 17:11:17 dunno, havnt tried :-P Mar 08 17:11:28 I imagine that the much of the SDK could be made to work in FreeBSD Mar 08 17:11:37 I wish there was a debugger I could download... Mar 08 17:11:39 and you can get just about anything working in freebsd given enough work :-P Mar 08 17:11:51 the ports tree has linux compat modules Mar 08 17:12:03 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: you run freeBSD? Mar 08 17:12:08 I just don't see much advantage in freeBSD over Linux Mar 08 17:12:20 i run several platforms, win7, freebsd, and slackware Mar 08 17:12:26 freebsd is a totally different kernel Mar 08 17:12:31 kinda exotic Mar 08 17:12:42 I know, i even run a opendarwin vm :D Mar 08 17:12:43 fairly module Mar 08 17:13:03 I meet one of FreeBSDs maintainer regularly Mar 08 17:13:15 linux == windows hackers trying to make a unix like os, freebsd = unix hackers trying to make a unix like os Mar 08 17:13:17 :) Mar 08 17:14:00 i actually maintain production servers on fbsd Mar 08 17:14:18 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: with jails? Mar 08 17:15:14 Lichtlos, only for a couple services Mar 08 17:15:34 the odd thing with my app Mar 08 17:15:38 not many external users outside apache, since it mostly runs our internal erm software Mar 08 17:15:43 I run one machine with 8 jails => kicks ass Mar 08 17:15:54 when I click a button to push a scene, it works... when I click a menu item, it breaks... Mar 08 17:16:32 patrickC_Pcheck the action listener on the menu item, make sure that is calling the same way the button is (asusming its the same scene you want to push...) Mar 08 17:18:01 I think I might have found the error Mar 08 17:18:21 was it PEBKAC? Mar 08 17:18:22 :) Mar 08 17:18:38 PROBLEM EXISTS BETWEEN KEYBOARD AND CHAIR.... Mar 08 17:18:42 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 ducks Mar 08 17:18:52 lol Mar 08 17:19:12 well, that didn't fix it... Mar 08 17:19:37 I changed it back from "popScene" to "pushScene" Mar 08 17:19:54 still no logs... Mar 08 17:20:12 check your toilet - dont flush em this time! Mar 08 17:20:31 lol what?? Mar 08 17:20:41 put logging commands with a status message at each point as you go through it Mar 08 17:20:53 see what the last logging message was, that should narrow down where its hanging Mar 08 17:21:19 * PatrickC_Pre now I just have to figure out where to put those... Mar 08 17:21:32 never mind Mar 08 17:21:44 everywhere, duh Mar 08 17:21:46 I never saved the file, so it was still doing popScene :o Mar 08 17:21:47 the more the merrier Mar 08 17:22:00 start w/ your on tap function,move to just below the push / pop scene, ect Mar 08 17:22:04 hay sineot Mar 08 17:22:42 it was the fact I had it set to popScene... Mar 08 17:22:48 all better now :) Mar 08 17:22:51 gimme gimme http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004JXWMIC Mar 08 17:22:53 :) Mar 08 17:23:07 dumb popScene!!! lol Mar 08 17:23:33 must..... get..... now...... Mar 08 17:24:44 PatrickC_Pre: how the f--- would you download a debugger if you don't have internet? Mar 08 17:24:48 you make zero sense Mar 08 17:24:50 all the time Mar 08 17:24:57 download to pre Mar 08 17:25:01 transfer to PC Mar 08 17:25:21 or spend $5 and get a PCMCIA wifi adapter Mar 08 17:25:28 my laptop has no wifi, but pre does Mar 08 17:25:31 than you know, you could get, like, help and stuff Mar 08 17:25:36 s/than/then Mar 08 17:25:52 the laptop is running SP2, like nothing will install on it Mar 08 17:25:53 laptop has PCMCIA slot? Mar 08 17:25:53 PatrickC_Pre: your laptop has no wifi? its "pre" 2000, isn't? Mar 08 17:26:08 smash laptop. problem solved Mar 08 17:26:09 I think sugardave Mar 08 17:26:09 even a usb port - get a $10 adapter Mar 08 17:26:17 no shit Mar 08 17:26:43 and idk when it was made... it originally had Windows ME though Mar 08 17:26:46 download the sp3 installer - redist to a thumbdrive Mar 08 17:26:57 PatrickC_Pre: I ran XP SP2 on my machine at hime or A LONG time and it was perfectly capable/acceptable Mar 08 17:26:58 that means abt 01 or so probably Mar 08 17:27:02 lol Mar 08 17:27:15 I'm getting a new laptop soon (hopefulle) Mar 08 17:27:15 windows minus everything edition Mar 08 17:27:16 yay! Mar 08 17:27:19 guys guys guys Mar 08 17:27:23 it's PatrickC Mar 08 17:27:29 s/hopefulle/hopefully Mar 08 17:27:30 don't bother arguing on logic Mar 08 17:27:34 you will get nowhere :p Mar 08 17:27:37 lol Mar 08 17:27:56 logic is for sissies :-D Mar 08 17:28:34 I found this parchment...it's really old...it says that you should always make sure your development machine is attached somehow to something called the Internet Mar 08 17:28:37 i got a new laptop recently - my beloved tecra M& finally bit the dust Mar 08 17:28:43 the Gospel of Bit Mar 08 17:29:04 there, now we have a faith argument...better? Mar 08 17:29:26 lol Mar 08 17:29:34 m&==M7 Mar 08 17:29:41 lol Mar 08 17:29:52 tecra m7 was a 14.1in tablet pc, w/ the rotating display and everything Mar 08 17:29:59 w/ a nvidia gpu Mar 08 17:30:14 one of the rare high end tablets that was below $5k :/ Mar 08 17:30:38 * sugardave refuses to help PatrickC_Pre until he can get Internet on his developer machine. "Sorry, but you need an ass kicking." Mar 08 17:30:59 what ever sugardave Mar 08 17:31:13 it's true Mar 08 17:31:16 watch Mar 08 17:31:24 (this is me not helping you) Mar 08 17:31:30 PatrickC_Pre, just bribe him with candy, his weakness is in his nick!! Mar 08 17:31:52 well, my parents prefer me not to have wifi on dev machine. I would never get any school done :p Mar 08 17:32:21 I... I... I'm speechless Mar 08 17:32:36 i agree... there is no trumping, nor rebuttling that... Mar 08 17:32:47 and they don't know that your phone connects to the Internet? are you omitting information from them?! Mar 08 17:33:05 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 phones PatrickC_Pre's parents Mar 08 17:33:05 no, they know its connected to the internet Mar 08 17:33:13 but I can't do much on it Mar 08 17:33:27 wrong channel to say that :P Mar 08 17:33:33 a clearer picture emerges Mar 08 17:33:34 haha Mar 08 17:33:37 sugardave: I'm glad that I'm not the only one that's reached that point Mar 08 17:33:46 SineOt: ^5 Mar 08 17:33:47 you know, he could always just use freetether and the usb tethering mode Mar 08 17:33:53 but thatd be to logical :) Mar 08 17:33:56 * halfhalo is one of those people that if he ever had any restriction like that would break out the screwdrivers Mar 08 17:34:06 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: expect some sort of "Sp2 blah blah blah" bs Mar 08 17:34:09 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: except supposedly the SP2 monster keeps that from happening Mar 08 17:34:14 yeah Mar 08 17:34:22 see? we've all been down this road before Mar 08 17:34:25 but, seeing as I have had unlimited internet LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE thats not an issue Mar 08 17:34:25 and it does.... Mar 08 17:34:26 is XP still supported by M$? Mar 08 17:34:29 haha afaik, the ndiswan driver will work find on sp2 Mar 08 17:34:34 I've tried freeTether... Mar 08 17:34:45 it worked on my SP3 machine Mar 08 17:34:52 only corp support, afaik end user support is pretty much no more Mar 08 17:34:55 THEN USE THE SP3 MACHINE Mar 08 17:35:04 seriosuly Mar 08 17:35:08 use the sp3 machine, to download the sp3 redist installer Mar 08 17:35:13 the SP3 machine is a desktop, and I have no monitor Mar 08 17:35:16 OR Mar 08 17:35:20 wild thought Mar 08 17:35:21 my dad took it cause he needs it Mar 08 17:35:24 get an ethernet cable Mar 08 17:35:27 put it on the pre's memory, then copy it to the sp2 machine Mar 08 17:35:36 sugardave: Da you have Alfa Romeo in Us? Mar 08 17:35:41 *do Mar 08 17:35:50 hotdp: they sell them here, but not many models, I think Mar 08 17:36:07 hotdp: you going to get in the import car business? :P Mar 08 17:36:07 I have never seen an alfa romeo here Mar 08 17:36:09 ok thanks Mar 08 17:36:16 haha nah Mar 08 17:36:19 halfhalo: they are small 2-seaters Mar 08 17:36:26 the ones I've seen Mar 08 17:36:29 i have to see what i shall buy when i move to the states :P Mar 08 17:36:33 ah Mar 08 17:36:35 right Mar 08 17:36:39 hotdp, buy a mustang Mar 08 17:36:42 yeah, just never seen any around socal Mar 08 17:36:43 be all-american Mar 08 17:36:52 :) Mar 08 17:36:57 who else saw the rental car olypmics? Mar 08 17:37:05 fear Mar 08 17:37:10 (ignore my fail spelling) Mar 08 17:37:14 I would die if I could get an Econetic diesel Fiesta in the states Mar 08 17:37:34 68mpg highway ;_; Mar 08 17:37:49 * halfhalo 's next car is going to be a 1999 volvo s70 T5 AWD Mar 08 17:37:49 i couldnt go w/o my truck Mar 08 17:38:02 how else would i keep up my hobbies Mar 08 17:38:03 stupid bank Mar 08 17:38:15 paintball and video games (including arcade games :-P) Mar 08 17:38:36 dawm_: sup? Mar 08 17:38:41 approved me for an auto loan, but the car i was intending to purchase was sold. so now im trying to find out how much they will lend me and they wont do it unless i give them details on a vehicle i intend.. Mar 08 17:38:45 dawm_, just get anonymous to ddos them into submission Mar 08 17:39:15 what car? Mar 08 17:39:21 a pinto i bet Mar 08 17:39:24 dawm_: tell them you're looking at a sweet 2nd-owner McLaren F1 Mar 08 17:39:26 kinda hard to car shop not knowing how much they will give me beyond my initial application Mar 08 17:40:00 they approved me for 14k, but the car im now looking at that meets their age/mileage requirements is 20k ;p Mar 08 17:40:14 hmmmm Mar 08 17:40:24 dawm_, they intend to calculate the appraised value of the vehicle in collateral, so they can see what the roi is if they need to pull it and resell it Mar 08 17:40:32 yeah i know Mar 08 17:40:40 i wanted an 05 wrx, but thats too old and too many miles :( Mar 08 17:41:19 ill stick to my older fun car :) Mar 08 17:41:28 then after thats all sorted out i need to haggle with the dealer to give me the bluebook for my car as trade in and not that bullshit blackbook value (black book is $2k less than bluebook or nada) Mar 08 17:41:58 heh, what's your car right now? Mar 08 17:42:13 07 Caliber Mar 08 17:44:00 looking at a 1 owner 08 WRX Hatch Mar 08 17:44:00 i prefer to stick w/ older cars that are solid Mar 08 17:44:05 parts are cheaper Mar 08 17:44:08 no monthly payments Mar 08 17:44:09 my caliber is a 5spd fwd Mar 08 17:44:19 ive got another car thats well beyond paid off ;p Mar 08 17:44:24 more $$$ to buy arcade games :) Mar 08 17:44:42 98 R/T w/ a 2.4L Turbo motor, gutted w/ full suspension and all the doodads Mar 08 17:44:55 looking at that it's way hard to figure out what to call it ahaha Mar 08 17:44:56 it holds the floor of my garage down ;P Mar 08 17:45:04 is it an SUV? is it a wagon? what the hell is it Mar 08 17:45:07 bbl time for lunch Mar 08 17:45:07 haha! Mar 08 17:45:16 MI calls it a station wagon Mar 08 17:45:27 other states call it a CUV (Crossover Vehicle) Mar 08 17:45:47 no no no no: http://bit.ly/9SY5Zi Mar 08 17:46:55 normally i just goto a dealer and let them get me a loan, but i figured id walk in prepared Mar 08 17:47:15 haha! Mar 08 17:47:17 who ever decided that it'd be a good idea to use little headshots on tech blogs when talking about the authors? Mar 08 17:47:20 but i still need to get the trade-in value locked in.. Mar 08 17:47:28 http://yepnopejs.com/img/ralph.jpg Mar 08 17:47:37 lol Mar 08 17:47:38 SineOt, easier to scope in and pow i guess Mar 08 17:47:39 how does Ralph code with his funny little arm ;_; Mar 08 17:48:29 that looks like dkirker Mar 08 17:48:58 I don't think I'd mind the headshots so much if they followed some basic photography rules, but man they never do Mar 08 17:49:23 see my math says i can afford a 23k loan (just shows you how bad i got screwed on my previous loan of 15k for the caliber) the new payment on the 23k loan would still be less than what i pay now.. Mar 08 17:49:57 i refi'ed my rouse recently Mar 08 17:50:03 i bought it a little over 2yrs ago Mar 08 17:50:09 at a 30yr fixed rate Mar 08 17:50:16 dawm_: but you failed to use the "screw the debtee" method of calculating your loan requirements Mar 08 17:50:19 im paying less for my 15yr than i was for my 30yr Mar 08 17:55:25 my mortgage is 290/m :) Mar 08 17:55:41 bought it end of summer last year Mar 08 17:59:04 at this point I think is when I say "fuck california" @_@ Mar 08 17:59:18 the rent on a two bedroom apartment in the area is 2250/m Mar 08 17:59:27 heh Mar 08 17:59:38 if you can get a house here in MI, its almost always cheaper than an apartment Mar 08 17:59:54 i pay $593/m with mortgage, tax, and homeowners insurnace Mar 08 18:00:05 I'm still waiting for the real shoe to drop on California real estate Mar 08 18:00:10 might have to move then Mar 08 18:00:24 it got crazy for a while Mar 08 18:00:26 micro-pennies on the dollar Mar 08 18:00:46 i have a double lot w/ one 3 car garage, one 1 car garage, 1.5 story house @ 1100sq ft w/ basement Mar 08 18:00:59 5miles from work Mar 08 18:01:03 party at dawm's! Mar 08 18:01:04 the house my parents live in was built in 1959 and it's I think 2300 sq feet... And there was a while were it was valued at something like 850,000$ Mar 08 18:01:15 (it's not worth 850,000$) Mar 08 18:01:28 i bought mine for 44960, and it apprasied at 55200 Mar 08 18:01:29 it's worth what somebody will pay :) Mar 08 18:03:20 we sold my grandmother's place a few years back for 675,000, and it was a tiny place Mar 08 18:03:32 I feel sorry for the guy that bought it though, he tried to flip it Mar 08 18:03:55 remodel was terrible, real shoddy work, and even offering it at 450,000 he wasn't able to find a buyer Mar 08 18:04:00 so... ~OOPS~ Mar 08 18:04:07 damn Mar 08 18:04:14 "you're too late!" Mar 08 18:05:27 I wonder what the packaging for the Veer/Pre3/Touchpad will be like Mar 08 18:06:12 I opened up the box for my ancient iPod 3G last night for the first time in probably like... 7 years? I forgot how well packaged it was and how much stuff it came with Mar 08 18:06:27 The real nice belt holster is now serving as my Pre+ carrying case :p Mar 08 18:10:36 what I'm saying is: More stuff in the box! I didn't realize the Pre came with so much more stuff than the Pixi, despite being in a box roughly the same size Mar 08 18:10:46 No headphones, no microfiber case... :< Mar 08 18:18:46 heh Mar 08 18:18:50 pixi got the shaft Mar 08 18:20:26 speaking of shaft Mar 08 18:20:47 i got mine for half what i have to insure it for, since itd cost that much to rebuild the structure Mar 08 18:21:03 1500sqft ranch, full basement, 2 car garage Mar 08 18:21:10 plenty of space for my mini-arcade :) Mar 08 18:22:08 Ok, spending way to much on sprint... Mar 08 18:22:48 "The 7-inch Galaxy Tab was priced at nearly US$900 without a two-year contract [...] "The 10-inch (tablet) was to be priced higher than the 7-inch (tablet) but we will have to think that over," Lee added." Mar 08 18:23:07 90 a friggin month.... ugg Mar 08 18:24:14 I like that Samsung will have to think that over, not drastically lower it, because the Galaxy Tab 10 might have ended up costing 2-3x more than the iPad 2 Mar 08 18:26:52 I kind of think that HP/Palm made the right move in not announcing a price right off the bat... Mar 08 18:38:17 SineOt: of which device/ Mar 08 18:39:17 SineOt: also, I wonder. Has any major device release happened with a fixed price-point from the start on? Each of the projects I recall that came with a price-point from the start failed to meet that target Mar 08 18:39:42 madnificent: of the TouchPad Mar 08 18:39:59 SineOt: fwiw, I think you're right Mar 08 18:40:16 madnificent: and at least in terms of announcements, most every Apple product has come with a price point from the start even if it's not going to ship for a while Mar 08 18:40:41 SineOt: then again, we have yet to meet the first palm device that actually ships on time, don't we? Mar 08 18:40:45 but at least in terms of the TouchPad it's dumb that people have complained about lack of price Mar 08 18:40:51 like some people have Mar 08 18:41:15 I think it's been good to us. We didn't know what to expect of the ipad2. At least we know we'll get a remotely competitve price now Mar 08 18:41:17 it gives HP/Palm some wiggle room to change features etc to help get the price down before launch and to work out a point where it's competitive Mar 08 18:41:42 * madnificent wonders if they have a cost issue at this time Mar 08 18:41:47 unlike stuff like the Galaxy Tab and Xoom where they're priced so far out that they're totally non-competitive for a LOT of people Mar 08 18:43:19 * madnificent wants a gazilion euros for a new pre and touchpad Mar 08 18:47:09 hehe Mar 08 18:47:42 totally anecdotal but I've only seen one Xoom in the wild at the Starbucks I frequent between classes... It's the busiest store in the district so you see a LOT of people come through Mar 08 18:48:11 Tons of iPads wielded by folks in suits doing business stuff of various importance... One guy with a Xoom Mar 08 18:48:19 * madnificent has only seen 3 ipads Mar 08 18:48:23 and no other tablets so far Mar 08 18:48:46 One guy with the sparse, disgusting pedo 'stache, ill fitting polo shirt a few sizes too big, and acid wash jeans that went out of style in 1996 Mar 08 18:49:02 LoL Mar 08 18:49:43 dumb question probably, but is it possible to take an SDK webos app and drop it into android (and how much time would that take for a fairly simple app (preferable in terms of the total development time of the app) Mar 08 18:50:04 it's possible, I suppose, using tools like Phonegap or whatever Mar 08 18:50:13 I know it's vague, but someone asked for the thing I'm writing to be on android as well... but I don't like android Mar 08 18:50:35 damn, that sucks... I'll have to look into it some day then Mar 08 18:50:55 if you can abstract the logic out of the app out far enough, it'll pretty much run on anything, since it's basically a webapp Mar 08 18:51:04 madnificent, what is it you're working on? Mar 08 18:51:05 yeah Mar 08 18:51:23 todo app, so it's mostly that people that know me know they want the todo list I write Mar 08 18:51:52 ehehe Mar 08 18:52:00 * madnificent has sql issues Mar 08 18:53:45 12:47 < SineOt> One guy with the sparse, disgusting pedo 'stache, ill fitting polo shirt a few sizes too big, and acid wash jeans that went out of style in 1996 Mar 08 18:53:50 stop spying on me Mar 08 18:53:53 sugardave: why, it's PatrickC boiled down to a quote by a long dead chinese philosopher! "I do not enlighten those who are not eager to learn, nor arouse those who are not anxious to give an explanation themselves. If I have presented one corner of the square and they cannot come back to me with the other three, I should not go over the points again." Mar 08 18:54:08 sugardave: for the love of god SHAVE Mar 08 18:56:07 works! You can add an ( EXISTS ... ) clause in the SELECT clause, very very hot Mar 08 18:56:18 sugardave: do you have a beard as well? Mar 08 18:56:44 SineOt: I have a beard as well Mar 08 18:56:56 SineOt: I know it looks bad, but my god it's fun to have Mar 08 18:59:02 oh no don't get me wrong, some people can pull of facial hair and pull it off well Mar 08 18:59:16 some people though should never ever even attempt it Mar 08 18:59:40 the guy with the Xoom was one of those folks Mar 08 19:02:19 I only have a beard when I don't shave...and I work from home so much that shaving is rarely required Mar 08 19:02:36 but then I get tired of it every couple of weeks so I shave it off anyway Mar 08 19:03:03 I get tired of even a little facial hair, I'm shaving every other day :I Mar 08 19:08:59 hi Mar 08 19:11:36 SineOt: it's great when you're driving a motorcycle Mar 08 19:11:52 SineOt: if you ever drive one, make sure your beard is 1.5 cm long or so, srsly Mar 08 19:11:53 helps catch more bugs? Mar 08 19:11:59 leiru: hi Mar 08 19:12:22 sugardave: no, it doesn't seem to get dirty from that. But it's the same feeling as the wind in your hair when you're driving, only... better Mar 08 19:12:30 sugardave: I'd imagine it serves as a real nice wind breaker to keep your neck warm Mar 08 19:12:43 sugardave: also, it's great to have when you're doing anything outside when it's freezing outside :) Mar 08 19:12:49 SineOt: :P Mar 08 19:12:52 heh Mar 08 19:13:21 SineOt: perhaps I should let it grow to be a nutty professor kind of beard. The enormous thing... then I can wrap it around my neck to keep warm :P Mar 08 19:13:43 ahhhhhhh ahhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooooo Mar 08 19:21:33 hi madnificent Mar 08 19:21:47 sugardave: your pre arrived? Mar 08 19:22:30 madnificent, isnt sql great like that :) Mar 08 19:23:54 leiru: unknown, we stayed one more night at my mother-in-law's house, we're leaving in a little while to go home Mar 08 19:24:18 uh Mar 08 19:24:28 sugardave, go to Chuq's instead and steal his pre3 :) Mar 08 19:24:33 heh Mar 08 19:33:35 are there any Palm folks here? Mar 08 19:36:26 nope, we ate em all Mar 08 19:36:46 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I was surprised, I was expecting a syntax error, but couldn't find it not being allowed in sqlite. And indeed, it worked Mar 08 19:37:02 rsanchez1: not afaik Mar 08 19:37:20 yeah - id love to see a full sql97 db (postresql, mysql ect) Mar 08 19:37:25 rsanchez1: otherwise sugardave would be working at hp Mar 08 19:37:35 * PatrickC_Pre waves hello Mar 08 19:37:49 it's the extensions that make the later sql standards cool Mar 08 19:37:55 hey PatrickC_Pre , did you succeed with vbox guest extensions? ;) Mar 08 19:38:22 well, when I fired up vbox, it told me that it was a first run... Mar 08 19:38:29 also: webos development in combination with emacs is quite nice Mar 08 19:39:04 nosql! Mar 08 19:39:22 anyone know if I need to upgrade my eclipse to run the 2.x SDK correctly? Mar 08 19:39:26 want a couch db or mongo db port for webos! Mar 08 19:39:41 lonestar99 2.x is NDA Mar 08 19:39:53 i meant 2.0.x Mar 08 19:40:04 2.0 is still NDA? Mar 08 19:40:10 leiru: I hear you :) Mar 08 19:40:24 leiru: actually, couchdb shouldn't be much work Mar 08 19:40:31 2.x SDK is still NDA Mar 08 19:40:39 leiru: it gives you a REST interface, so it should be ported in no-time Mar 08 19:40:42 wow... Mar 08 19:40:51 ok thanks Mar 08 19:41:20 @madnificent, darn, oh well maybe someone else can help me out Mar 08 19:41:44 rsanchez1: irc rules seem to dictate: don't ask to ask, just ask Mar 08 19:41:47 what's up rsanchez1 ? Mar 08 19:41:57 I was just wondering what would cause webOS to log this: user.err mediaserver: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Mar 08 19:42:18 * PatrickC_Pre my head hurts... Mar 08 19:42:25 * PatrickC_Pre lookin at that Mar 08 19:43:10 also this: user.err mediaserver: GSTREAMER: ERROR palmhttpsrc HttpSrc_Pull.cpp:1591:NetworkLoop:(NULL) Erroring out, but ConnectCode is 0 and ResponseCode is 200 Mar 08 19:43:21 and this: mediaserver: GSTREAMER: ERROR palmmp3demux PalmMp3Demux.c:849:palm_mp3demux_loop:(NULL) fill returned failure -5 Mar 08 19:43:34 getting these errors when the audio object fails with a network error Mar 08 19:43:41 what app? Mar 08 19:43:42 this looks like PDK stuff? Mar 08 19:43:58 madnificent: i don't want to access a couchDB - i want to run one on my device Mar 08 19:43:58 sort of PDK stuff Mar 08 19:44:08 it's trying to stream audio over a local server Mar 08 19:44:11 local sever set up using the PD Mar 08 19:44:12 madnificent: they ported it for android too Mar 08 19:44:20 rsanchez1: ah, hybrid? Mar 08 19:44:27 leiru: download a binary, cp it and run it... I wouldn't be surprised if it 'just worked' Mar 08 19:44:46 leiru: once you do that you should be able to connect it through its REST-API, which you can use through javascirpt Mar 08 19:44:49 javascript Mar 08 19:44:59 leiru: mongodb is a different beast though Mar 08 19:45:07 gah, irc problems Mar 08 19:45:23 well I don't see why the audio object would give network errors over localhost Mar 08 19:45:27 leiru: there are also ways to handle the mapreduce in javascript, so that shouldn't be a problem either... Mar 08 19:45:36 I was hoping some Palm engineer might know what's up Mar 08 19:45:56 rsanchez1_: sorry, can't help you Mar 08 19:46:05 that's OK Mar 08 19:46:27 leiru: mind you, I am _not_ a WebOS guru! But it really looks like a perfect match for WebOS Mar 08 19:47:18 rsanchez1_: you may need to recompile couchdb for the ARM processor in the pre if you're running it on a native device. But I'd try it out in the emulator first. Mar 08 19:47:32 couchdb? Mar 08 19:47:37 rsanchez1_: sorry, that was for leiru Mar 08 19:47:39 leiru: ^ Mar 08 19:47:39 oh Mar 08 19:47:45 (and yes) Mar 08 19:48:33 sometimes I just feel the audio object in webOS is not as stable as in webkit browsers Mar 08 19:56:44 rsanchez1_, audio objects to that opinion Mar 08 19:57:14 is that from a 2.x device btw? Mar 08 19:58:11 a Pre 2 Mar 08 19:59:36 Anyone know why audio will play over wifi but not over regular data? Mar 08 20:00:10 graywolf336: like a music file? Mar 08 20:00:34 LoveStar99: yeah a streaming audio file Mar 08 20:00:59 graywolf336: which carrier? Mar 08 20:01:22 graywolf336: i just remembered i do all my dev via wi-fi Mar 08 20:01:38 madnificent: how's your app coming along? Mar 08 20:01:48 rsanchez1: sprint and verison Mar 08 20:01:49 haeffb: I'm already using it! Mar 08 20:02:05 nice. keeping track of what else you have to do to finish it? Mar 08 20:02:13 haeffb: it's not finished yet, still need to do a lot of things (most importantly fix what I did wrong whilst learning webos) Mar 08 20:02:32 haeffb: yeah, but also to keep track of things I need to do for thesis + work Mar 08 20:02:52 madnificent: I'm going to re-install it, I doctored last nite and lost it :o Mar 08 20:03:01 PatrickC: I'll send you an update Mar 08 20:03:06 ok Mar 08 20:03:11 graywolf336: maybe you just have bad coverage? Mar 08 20:03:15 got a screenshot? I'd like to see what you've done... Mar 08 20:03:30 it's a TARP! Mar 08 20:03:41 ssshhhhhhh Mar 08 20:03:51 rsanchez1: no that's not it cause I can play other streams fine, and they're the same format :/ Mar 08 20:03:56 howdy haeffb and sugardave Mar 08 20:04:01 i am back Mar 08 20:04:03 hi LoneStar99 Mar 08 20:04:09 I have never left Mar 08 20:04:12 * sugardave hides the women and booze. Mar 08 20:04:14 hi LoneStar99 Mar 08 20:04:21 haeffb: not really ready for screenshots yet, it looks ugly Mar 08 20:04:32 (don't know if I'll change the look though, it's just webos stuff) Mar 08 20:04:41 haeffb: I can send you the ipk if you'd like Mar 08 20:04:54 sure! haeffb at gmail Mar 08 20:05:07 thankfully aesthetic torture has not kept me from releasing apps Mar 08 20:05:30 have not done any webos coding in like 5 months... but gonna build a new app andd revamp some others Mar 08 20:05:47 full disclosure: I am the author of Done! and will undoubtedly borrow anything cool... :) Mar 08 20:05:58 but only with your permission, of course. Mar 08 20:06:01 "borrow" is a bit optimistic Mar 08 20:06:05 lol Mar 08 20:06:41 Tibfib: did you get into nirvana yet? Mar 08 20:06:56 I'm shooting for valhalla, myself Mar 08 20:07:36 * sugardave is not looking forward to 4+ hour drive. Mar 08 20:07:50 to where? Mar 08 20:07:51 freetether to your laptop Mar 08 20:08:20 but then I won't get any school done :p Mar 08 20:08:21 sugardave where u drving dallas Mar 08 20:08:37 haeffb: don't remember why I didn't use done anymore :) Mar 08 20:08:48 LoneStar99: nah, back to Austin from Beaumont Mar 08 20:08:48 haeffb: but it doesn't look nearly as good as Done! Mar 08 20:08:55 toodledo sucks...? Mar 08 20:09:07 * madnificent doesn't know, doesn't care Mar 08 20:09:09 madnificent: haeffb blew his entire budget on art Mar 08 20:09:28 I know what I want, I'm building that thing... Mar 08 20:09:46 and if possible grab some money as I could kind-of put it to good use Mar 08 20:09:58 sugardave: right on would not look forward to that drive either ... lol Mar 08 20:10:43 arg, see y'all later Mar 08 20:10:58 bye sugardave Mar 08 20:12:07 all my apps are built on no-budget :) Mar 08 20:12:33 * haeffb just "borrowed" art from Palm apps. Mar 08 20:12:59 lol Mar 08 20:13:16 lol Mar 08 20:13:17 * madnificent fetches dinner and tries to figure out a better database model Mar 08 20:13:41 anyone here *make* their help scenes? Mar 08 20:13:55 PatrickC: yes Mar 08 20:14:01 madnificent, how about a swedish super model holding the database Mar 08 20:14:04 how hard is it? Mar 08 20:14:09 not Mar 08 20:14:11 PatrickC: manually. Mar 08 20:14:15 yes Mar 08 20:14:21 its pretty easy really Mar 08 20:14:24 I'm right now using auto generated... Mar 08 20:14:34 I didn't feel like figuring out the lists :p Mar 08 20:14:38 just make a scene like any other, add it to the menu Mar 08 20:14:39 it's pretty easy Mar 08 20:14:46 palm has nice examples, copy / paste :) Mar 08 20:15:08 I'm gonna have to look at them again Mar 08 20:15:13 i never tried the auto generated ones Mar 08 20:15:30 PatrickC: I told you before that lists are stupid simple to do without ever touching the list widgets Mar 08 20:15:44 aye, that they are Mar 08 20:15:46 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: tried them once and removed them as just as they were created Mar 08 20:15:48 now that the app is functional (besides things that are out of my control) I will tinker with making a real help scene Mar 08 20:16:21 I know sineot, I wanted to get the app working *then* make the *real* help scene Mar 08 20:16:29 PatrickC, add a audio buffer with a guy screaming when they load your help scene Mar 08 20:16:40 lol Mar 08 20:16:50 no Mar 08 20:16:55 make it a person saying Mar 08 20:17:01 "How can we assist you" Mar 08 20:17:14 lol Mar 08 20:18:11 nah, screaming in horror is better Mar 08 20:18:25 not for this kind of app :p Mar 08 20:18:35 if its gonna says how it can assist you, take the swedish model i offered madnificent and make her say it Mar 08 20:19:12 well, I'm not sure if the company I'm making this app for would like that :p Mar 08 20:19:16 its for a church Mar 08 20:19:32 "your lord and savior satan is here to help" Mar 08 20:19:45 ... Mar 08 20:19:47 lol Mar 08 20:20:55 make the help scene simply state "Pray for help, and the problem shall solve itself" Mar 08 20:21:03 lol Mar 08 20:21:09 that's not a bad idea :p Mar 08 20:23:24 dont forget the photos of the stained glass windows behind it Mar 08 20:24:04 :D Mar 08 20:24:48 * Lichtlos waits impaitiently for is EA access :D Mar 08 20:25:05 any suggestions what I could look at in the meantime? Mar 08 20:25:06 might be a while Mar 08 20:25:14 have you heard back at all? Mar 08 20:25:48 PatrickC: I got the NDA, replied as requested Mar 08 20:25:54 Lichtlos, learn more c/c++ :) Mar 08 20:26:10 well, being in the Early Access Program is under NDA :) Mar 08 20:26:25 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: hm, I don't think so. spent last years reversing c/c++ :P Mar 08 20:26:56 always more to learn! :-P Mar 08 20:27:01 lol Mar 08 20:27:12 indeed, there is Mar 08 20:27:16 read the c puzzle book, or how not to program in c++ :) Mar 08 20:27:42 personally, i really need to brush up on my ui stuff , im horrible at it :-P Mar 08 20:28:12 well, my UI stuff got pretty ok when developing for iOS Mar 08 20:28:24 give me data, i parse, process, store, sort ect to data, and return data Mar 08 20:28:29 but there's no interfacebuilder in the PDK :D Mar 08 20:28:31 i dont want to display data, Mar 08 20:28:36 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 has no patience for UI Mar 08 20:28:47 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: use design pattern! Mar 08 20:29:00 they've helped me a lot Mar 08 20:29:02 i thought of messing w/ wxWidgets Mar 08 20:29:15 :x good luck with that : Mar 08 20:29:21 i think theres a designer for codeblocks Mar 08 20:30:11 you could try a hybrid app: get to code in c/c++, use Mojo for UI Mar 08 20:30:47 ive got one about done Mar 08 20:30:59 rsanchez1_: which is exactly what I'm going to do Mar 08 20:30:59 you could try a hybrid app and then be totally unable to submit it to the catalog and have no guarantee that it'd run on 1.4.5 :p Mar 08 20:31:01 the c++ side is done, and i built a ui in ares Mar 08 20:31:05 just need to tie em together Mar 08 20:31:22 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I hate that part, too Mar 08 20:31:42 but i was thinking of just making a single ui for it, and keep it straight pdk so i know itll work on all current devices Mar 08 20:31:44 I've got a huge blackboard for such things ;D Mar 08 20:31:56 so i dont cut my potential userbase to under 10% at the start Mar 08 20:32:06 there's a chance that it could run on 1.4.5, but no chance that they'll allow it into the catalog for that version Mar 08 20:32:44 yeah, thats why i havnt finished the hybrid glue yet Mar 08 20:32:45 what's about using third party fws in your app submissions? Mar 08 20:33:04 coming from apple, I was strictly forbidden to even think of things like mono touch :/ Mar 08 20:34:03 lol Mar 08 20:34:19 apple is way to tight Mar 08 20:34:23 cant even breathe Mar 08 20:34:49 thus I went to you guys :) Mar 08 20:35:08 you have problems everywhere right now - apple is huge, but locked down Mar 08 20:35:19 almost impossible to get noticed in the catalog, but if you do, huge gains Mar 08 20:35:41 I'm not into profit Mar 08 20:35:43 android is overly fragmeted - have to test on tons of diff hw / software platforms and be concerned w/ carrier / manufacturer changes Mar 08 20:35:53 I will release everything as OSS Mar 08 20:36:00 palm has a small user base, but is more open and consistant Mar 08 20:36:32 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: well, I felt pretty fucked when I heard about my pre- not getting 1.45 (yeah, old story now) Mar 08 20:36:47 same here Mar 08 20:36:56 i can see the reasonings on both sides Mar 08 20:37:01 even Apple doesn't "lie" that obviously Mar 08 20:37:03 not getting 1.4.5? Are you on Telcel? Mar 08 20:37:05 even with the current "fragmentation" of 2.0 not going to older devices, most apps still function almost identically Mar 08 20:37:11 and seeing how a stock, no oc'ed pre- acts w/ 2.1 via the meta dr, its not surprising Mar 08 20:37:35 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I found my pre- on 2.1 very smooth Mar 08 20:37:37 yeah, i just noticed you said 145, not 21 Mar 08 20:37:50 was a bit sluggish and a bit of a battery hog Mar 08 20:37:59 but overall, not horrible Mar 08 20:38:05 I think the 2.1 experience on pre- is like overclocking, depends on the device Mar 08 20:38:12 some pre- can't handle it Mar 08 20:38:21 weak pre's Mar 08 20:38:22 i think the new device push came into play on that decision to Mar 08 20:38:31 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: definitley Mar 08 20:38:32 yeah, 2.1 on Pre- varies a lot from what I've seen... I don't think it helps that the stock compcache is set to 10 and not 16 doesn't help much any Mar 08 20:38:42 rsanchez1_, ill have to feet it a higher protien diet then :) Mar 08 20:39:00 beef it up a little Mar 08 20:39:10 maybe a dynarec could be built into some of the system services to help as well Mar 08 20:39:17 or just kill it and transplant its guts to a Pre 2 Mar 08 20:39:25 or just more liberal use of swap space instead of ram Mar 08 20:39:44 thats what im on now, a sprint pre2 Mar 08 20:39:49 swap is sloooooooooooow Mar 08 20:39:56 but my profile is 9.9.9'ed Mar 08 20:40:03 compcache tends to be a much better solution Mar 08 20:40:06 SineOt, its better than running completly out of memory :) Mar 08 20:40:30 and i didnt say in place of, i think expanding it some in addition to would be good Mar 08 20:40:50 * SineOt heads out Mar 08 20:41:11 well, iOS has no swapping at all Mar 08 20:41:27 i need to re doctor it and get everything right now that they have nice pretty scripts Mar 08 20:41:29 different architecture, though ;) Mar 08 20:41:35 me too Mar 08 20:42:08 the scripts are awesome Mar 08 20:42:15 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: the c puzzle book is fun Mar 08 20:42:19 thanks for the advice Mar 08 20:42:38 np, one of my fav's :) Mar 08 20:43:16 its an awsome gag to pull on friends to Mar 08 20:43:24 hand em a puzzle book for his kids Mar 08 20:43:30 they peak at it and go WTF!!?? Mar 08 20:43:32 :-D Mar 08 20:43:46 done that a cpl times now Mar 08 20:43:54 I don't have any non-nerd friends :D Mar 08 20:44:17 my non-nerd friends consist of my wifes family mostly Mar 08 20:44:25 or the mechanical guys at work Mar 08 20:44:36 hm, I count them as "relatives" Mar 08 20:45:32 some are good enough to fit into both categories Mar 08 20:45:37 not many,m but a cpl :) Mar 08 20:45:44 you're right Mar 08 20:46:01 but they have to suffer enough, even without such books :D Mar 08 20:46:09 haha Mar 08 20:46:22 one of them just helped me pull 4 arcade machines down into my basement Mar 08 20:46:48 what 4? Mar 08 20:46:52 thats a workout Mar 08 20:47:08 a namco 246 system (i have tekken 4, soul calibur 2, and soul calibur 3 for it) Mar 08 20:47:17 NAMCO FTW!!! Mar 08 20:47:19 I'll be right over Mar 08 20:47:30 police trainer, primal rage, and a tri-sync jamma cab _dynamo hs-5) Mar 08 20:47:52 ive also got asteroids deluxe, the original ninja gaide, all 3 area 51 games Mar 08 20:48:05 the pcb's for all the mk games, soul edge and soul calibur Mar 08 20:48:11 street fighter 2 Mar 08 20:48:17 a few other pcb's here and there Mar 08 20:48:47 a fun hobby Mar 08 20:48:54 takes some work to keep everything running tho Mar 08 20:49:09 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: is looking at the assembled code considered cheating? :D Mar 08 20:49:21 i need to order some new transistors and a cap kit for my asteroids deluxe monitor (elctrohome g05-805 vector) Mar 08 20:50:04 no flipping to the back!! Mar 08 20:50:33 lichtlos: not if its open source Mar 08 20:50:33 and no gdb, as thatll give it away to on most of em!! Mar 08 20:50:34 :) Mar 08 20:50:45 PatrickC, were talking about the c puzzle book Mar 08 20:50:49 :D Mar 08 20:50:54 oh.... Mar 08 20:50:56 lol Mar 08 20:51:01 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: ok ok, moving to pen&paper now Mar 08 20:51:04 I don't like C Mar 08 20:51:08 look it up on amazon Mar 08 20:51:12 objective c? Mar 08 20:51:53 nope, straight old c Mar 08 20:52:07 ... Mar 08 20:52:12 c puzzle book looks nice Mar 08 20:52:13 sounds.... fun..... Mar 08 20:52:14 lol Mar 08 20:52:28 it is! Mar 08 20:53:13 i havnt gone through it again since i moved tho... ill have to dig it up again :) Mar 08 20:53:13 looking at the reviews on amazon, there's only two 3-star reviews: one of them complaining that it's too easy, the other complaining that the book they sent him was falling apart Mar 08 20:53:48 most of them arnt really "hard" persay, just you need to step back to another line of thinking to see it Mar 08 20:54:10 if you follow it all logically and think about it from the memory space perspective, alot of em fall into place Mar 08 20:54:39 that second one just needed a new copy to get 5 stars, so well call it that :) Mar 08 20:54:47 too complicated for me :p Mar 08 20:54:51 yeah that's why I thought it was funny Mar 08 20:54:58 haha Mar 08 20:55:10 got 6 mails in last 10min. but not the right one Mar 08 20:55:12 "the book is awesome, but this particular one sucks, so 3 stars" Mar 08 20:55:19 seems like this book fills my evening Mar 08 20:55:21 PatrickC, try the infamous k&r book then Mar 08 20:55:31 "The C Programming Language : Second Edition" Mar 08 20:55:36 JS is sometimes too complicated :D Mar 08 20:55:40 published in the early 80's Mar 08 20:55:49 still holds true for almost all methods of programming today Mar 08 20:55:53 JS complicated? you must be doing it wrong :p Mar 08 20:56:04 most the time I am Mar 08 20:56:08 well... Mar 08 20:56:10 haha Mar 08 20:56:14 just missing a comma or something Mar 08 20:56:19 miss spelling Mar 08 20:56:21 etc. Mar 08 20:56:23 lol Mar 08 20:56:26 PEBKAC Mar 08 20:56:30 yeah I hate when that happens Mar 08 20:56:31 I bet you in 2-3 years he's going to look at his code and go "what was I trying to do???" Mar 08 20:56:38 I seem to do that every time Mar 08 20:56:46 yeah, ive done that before Mar 08 20:56:47 probably Mar 08 20:56:50 a compiler will tell you if you misspelled something, but JS logging won't most of the time Mar 08 20:57:01 js logging stinks Mar 08 20:57:04 firebug to the rescue! Mar 08 20:57:15 is it downloadable? Mar 08 20:57:16 :) Mar 08 20:57:18 <3 firebug Mar 08 20:57:28 its a firefox plugin Mar 08 20:57:34 I dumped firebug for Chrome logging Mar 08 20:57:45 webkit inspector Mar 08 20:58:32 i havnt messed w/ it to much Mar 08 20:58:52 i installed it and looked at 1 of my ares apps w/ it to find 1 small problem Mar 08 20:59:04 havnt messed with ares since therefore havnt launched chrome :-P Mar 08 20:59:49 but my local office's erm solution is all web based w/ php / perl behind it generating the html / js, so i use firebug alot there Mar 08 21:01:01 I need a downloadable JS inspector Mar 08 21:01:33 isnt there something in eclipse? besides palm-inspector :) Mar 08 21:02:04 eclipse doesn't like my crap laptop :p Mar 08 21:02:15 I need a new laptop Mar 08 21:03:09 wow, i havnt seen something slow enough for eclipse not to like it in quite some time Mar 08 21:03:13 or a new ide Mar 08 21:03:26 168MB RAM is slow Mar 08 21:03:48 I actually havent tried eclipse on it yet Mar 08 21:03:57 so add more ram Mar 08 21:04:05 that's very little ram Mar 08 21:04:16 what's running on it now? Mar 08 21:04:16 the laptop has a P3 processor :/ Mar 08 21:04:21 XP Pro Mar 08 21:04:24 PatrickC: what the fuck? Mar 08 21:04:35 what? lol Mar 08 21:04:42 he said it shipped w/ winme earlier Mar 08 21:04:44 P3? how old is it?? Mar 08 21:04:45 so its 10yrs old Mar 08 21:04:46 no wonder that's slow Mar 08 21:04:58 lol, p3 Mar 08 21:05:00 a wonder it's still "alive" Mar 08 21:05:02 calculator and notepad will be slow there! Mar 08 21:05:02 also 168? Mar 08 21:05:11 im betting its a shared gpu Mar 08 21:05:14 running eclipse on p3? Mar 08 21:05:20 I run notepad++ on it Mar 08 21:05:22 with 168M of RAM? Mar 08 21:05:24 I have no doubt on that Mar 08 21:05:37 yea Mar 08 21:05:41 my laptop has 3GB and some days I wonder... Mar 08 21:05:42 so probably 256, or 192 Mar 08 21:05:43 I run VBox on it too Mar 08 21:05:47 i have 8gb on mine Mar 08 21:05:56 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: same here Mar 08 21:06:02 192 and 24 shared I bet Mar 08 21:06:03 im gonna double check on the RAM Mar 08 21:06:04 8GB is minimum when using VMs Mar 08 21:06:04 toshiba qosmio x505 Mar 08 21:06:14 mbp 2009 :D Mar 08 21:06:37 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: nice Mar 08 21:06:43 yeah my T60 is too old to use ddr3, but core2duo runs nice enough Mar 08 21:06:49 I run VM on 4GB ram Mar 08 21:06:49 my desktop only has 6GB Mar 08 21:07:02 only Mar 08 21:07:08 jeez how do you scrape by Mar 08 21:07:09 serious work is done on 32GB+ ;) Mar 08 21:07:09 i added a few things to this guy tho, 2nd hdd, doubled the ram, ect Mar 08 21:07:21 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: SSD? Mar 08 21:07:26 i have a testbed and a desktop/workstation at home Mar 08 21:07:37 no, one of the WD 320gb platter drives Mar 08 21:07:39 the 640gb Mar 08 21:07:55 SSDs are still too expensive in EU Mar 08 21:07:58 needed the space Mar 08 21:08:00 same here Mar 08 21:08:03 got myself a 120GB one Mar 08 21:08:13 totally worth the money Mar 08 21:08:22 my home testbed has an LSI SAS raid controller, a xeon 3.0ghz quad core, and 16gb ram Mar 08 21:08:26 but hard to come by when having VMs Mar 08 21:08:37 total physical memory: 128MB Mar 08 21:08:38 home workstation is an i7-950 w/ 6gb tripple channel mem Mar 08 21:08:40 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: who's paying your bill? :D Mar 08 21:08:51 haha Mar 08 21:08:58 i do enough contracting work to cover it Mar 08 21:09:08 well then it's fine Mar 08 21:09:15 then total virtual memory: 2.00GB Mar 08 21:09:29 wth is virtual memory? Mar 08 21:09:30 for a testbed, you want something close to the actual server Mar 08 21:09:33 PatrickC: congratulations, your PC uses swappinf Mar 08 21:09:36 swapping* Mar 08 21:09:50 that poor hdd Mar 08 21:09:53 PatrickC: consider your OS using a virtual map of memory Mar 08 21:10:08 its a 15GB HDD Mar 08 21:10:13 with a working set of it in RAM/caches, the rest on HDD Mar 08 21:10:14 virtual memory == using the hdd as ram, or swap space Mar 08 21:10:18 think of it this way Mar 08 21:10:24 how do you solve a big math problem Mar 08 21:10:34 use my calculator Mar 08 21:10:34 the part of the problem you can solve in your head is like the ram Mar 08 21:10:35 PatrickC: seriously, get yourself a new one Mar 08 21:10:36 :p Mar 08 21:10:39 fast, but cant hold alot Mar 08 21:10:42 it hurts reading your specs Mar 08 21:10:49 the swap space is like your note paper Mar 08 21:10:53 you don't want to see much more Mar 08 21:10:59 can put alot down and go back and forth, but it takes time Mar 08 21:10:59 note paper? Mar 08 21:11:03 :) Mar 08 21:11:09 j/k Mar 08 21:11:09 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: your note paper in a back somewhere in your room :P Mar 08 21:11:10 and when you want something it has to go back to your head Mar 08 21:11:11 even something with a pentium-m would be an improvement Mar 08 21:11:27 I see memory in this way Mar 08 21:11:28 Loudergood: good old centrino times... Mar 08 21:11:41 cpu cache= document in your hand Mar 08 21:11:48 ram = document on your desk Mar 08 21:12:01 hard drive = in the filing cabinet Mar 08 21:12:12 thats another good way to put it :) Mar 08 21:12:27 Loudergood: don't forget the granny secretary who searches for your files :D Mar 08 21:12:30 696MHz Mar 08 21:12:43 owie Mar 08 21:12:47 PatrickC: your laptop has to put seperate pages of the document in the filing cabinet because it has a kindergarten desk Mar 08 21:12:49 yea Mar 08 21:12:53 PatrickC: OC'd pre? :D Mar 08 21:12:56 sounds like the Tecra CDT 130's i sold at a garage sale years back! Mar 08 21:13:10 those old toshibas are tanks Mar 08 21:13:13 my pre is running at 1GHz and pixi at 8xxMz Mar 08 21:13:15 got that right Mar 08 21:13:20 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 misses his Tecra M7 Mar 08 21:13:24 I used to play around with one that had a p133 in it Mar 08 21:13:29 compaq presario 180 Mar 08 21:13:39 96MB of ram maxed out Mar 08 21:13:45 m7 is newer, but it was still awsome Mar 08 21:13:47 I don't keep that kind of old hardware Mar 08 21:13:48 debian + lxde was usable Mar 08 21:13:53 anyway, gotta go Mar 08 21:13:57 just use FPGAs to resemle my old stuff :D Mar 08 21:13:59 it has since been recycled Mar 08 21:14:02 i keep a stash to fix stuff for ppl like PatrickC Mar 08 21:14:13 :) Mar 08 21:14:19 but it dwindles down, i think i only have a few hdd's and some ram he could still use Mar 08 21:14:24 no more cpu's Mar 08 21:14:38 the webos PatrickC -donation channel? ;D Mar 08 21:14:40 we got a number of harddrives at work that are < 1gb Mar 08 21:15:00 oil: but they're not in use? Mar 08 21:15:05 the only pc left in this house with one core is my gfs laptop Mar 08 21:15:09 they're backups for the ones in use Mar 08 21:15:11 oil - sell yourself through exxon, youll get rich and have the $$$ for bigger ones :) Mar 08 21:15:50 anyway, off i go Mar 08 21:16:01 bye silent_ninja Mar 08 21:17:02 anyone want to donate a MBP to PatrickC Laptop Retirement? Mar 08 21:17:03 :) Mar 08 21:18:04 PatrickC: go ask your parents dude Mar 08 21:18:13 already did :p Mar 08 21:18:22 they aint gonna buy me a MBP Mar 08 21:18:22 and what did they respond? Mar 08 21:18:35 then you got to earn it yourself Mar 08 21:18:37 lol MBP good luck Mar 08 21:18:52 I'll settle for just a MB Mar 08 21:19:00 still good luck Mar 08 21:19:23 PatrickC: you're being overmodest :D Mar 08 21:19:41 I need a mac though :p Mar 08 21:19:43 no really Mar 08 21:19:47 for development Mar 08 21:19:48 what for? Mar 08 21:19:53 though if I got a new MBP I'd trade it for a newer thinkpad myself Mar 08 21:20:26 my old church wants an iOS app Mar 08 21:20:41 PatrickC: then let them pay you with hardware? Mar 08 21:20:51 yup Mar 08 21:20:58 they don't have the money for that rite now :p Mar 08 21:21:02 or they would Mar 08 21:21:13 PatrickC: write an webapp Mar 08 21:21:17 maybe they could put the call out for a used one ;) Mar 08 21:21:28 but I can't package without iOs Mar 08 21:21:28 that should be possible with your P3 "thing" :D Mar 08 21:21:44 I write webOS apps on it :) Mar 08 21:24:22 bbl Mar 08 22:06:36 how do I create a launcher icon for Chrome with command-line arguments in Ubuntu ? Mar 08 22:08:48 gnome? Mar 08 22:08:53 I could help you if it was kde Mar 08 22:09:03 gnome Mar 08 22:09:05 damn fragmentation Mar 08 22:09:37 heh, I was just going to ask you a question haeffb, ended up buying done anyway... Mar 08 22:09:40 gnome rarely works right in debian unstable Mar 08 22:09:49 so i don't have it installed Mar 08 22:09:57 actually wait... Mar 08 22:10:04 I have a vm that's running gnome Mar 08 22:11:00 do you already have a launcher icon for it? Mar 08 22:11:19 yep Mar 08 22:11:51 right click on applications on the task bar Mar 08 22:11:59 and edit menus Mar 08 22:12:39 got it .... thanks! Mar 08 22:15:28 I just had to do the same thing to enable 3d acceleration in my firefox beta on kde Mar 08 22:15:47 apparently mozilla has blacklisted every driver other than the nvidia binary Mar 08 22:56:09 anyone remember a few days ago when I asked a question about dynamically setting up filter lists? Mar 08 22:56:46 I found that if you use this.controller.update instead of this.controller.instantiateChildWidgets, the list works perfectly Mar 08 22:56:57 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1610&Itemid=70 Mar 08 22:57:15 I'm just pretty excited I found that, wanted to share Mar 08 23:06:52 hey guys Mar 08 23:08:17 hi cwayne1 Mar 08 23:08:49 anyone know the status of push notifications? Mar 08 23:14:43 cwayne1: 'no' , and what are you trying to say, it isn't really clear to me Mar 08 23:18:27 is there an api for setting up push notifications? like how gmail notifications work? Mar 08 23:19:40 asked this the other day, but just want to make sure we can upload 2.0 apps to the app catalog now? Mar 08 23:20:11 cuss gonna start revamping and building a new app and just want to make sure Mar 08 23:20:23 cwayne1: ah, that sounds like a better question. If it's not part of webos, you may find a javascript library for that Mar 08 23:20:41 * madnificent doesn't know either LoneStar99 Mar 08 23:23:24 yeah not sure... Mar 08 23:23:55 have not coded for webos since like september Mar 08 23:35:37 is there a way to buffer an audio file even with autoplay off? Mar 08 23:50:59 anyone here with decent knowledge of sqlite indexes? Mar 08 23:51:39 I wonder if I can get away with a unique index on two colums if those colums are used to link other data elements together. Either that's enough, or I need that index + a separate index for the columns Mar 08 23:52:16 howdy! Mar 08 23:54:38 I'm really confused, i doctored, and accidentally changed the size of /var, so /media/internal is _completely_ empty, but several apps have retained their settings.. (and this was 2.1 to 1.4.5, fwiw) Mar 08 23:55:19 how is this possible.. i wonder if this means my usb partition is still accessible even though i don't see it.. Mar 08 23:58:56 ajay: could the settings have been backed up by palm? Mar 09 00:00:25 madni: I've never heard that palm backed up settings (in 1.4.5 at least) so I'd be real surprised.. both homebrew and official apps retain settings (some, not all). weird Mar 09 00:01:54 but given the 2 options, palm backing up, and a secret location for settings to be stored that wouldn't be wiped.. well none of the options really make sense.. :) Mar 09 00:02:25 ajay: there is a backup app on your device Mar 09 00:02:48 madnificent- i think he is talking about preware apps Mar 09 00:03:03 nvm Mar 09 00:03:05 ajay: look at that app, go to the help, select how Backup works Mar 09 00:03:12 ajay: there's some information there Mar 09 00:03:24 joeb_: it may also not be that btw :) Mar 09 00:03:53 joeb_: also, if palm backs up apps, then I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make a difference between apps from the app store and apps from other locations Mar 09 00:03:53 mad: none of the apps that retained settings have help info on backups Mar 09 00:04:01 joeb_: if only because that's just as hard to install Mar 09 00:05:32 ajay: I've had a similar experience in the past btw. Though I didn't change the size of any partitions iirc Mar 09 00:06:00 hm, it's interesting that i've discovered a phenomenon that none have ever experienced before. very interesting. Mar 09 00:20:44 is it possible to play ogg files on a palm pixi plus? Mar 09 00:21:32 hmmm, where is the location I can find databases on the pre itself, I can find it in the emulator, but not on the pre Mar 09 00:21:58 jblz: just bite the bullet and convert them to something else for syncing to your device :p Mar 09 00:22:03 jblz: I seem to recall ogg _not_ being supported by palm Mar 09 00:22:14 it's not Mar 09 00:22:15 okay, thank you Mar 09 00:22:16 jblz: it surprised me, ogg being free and nice Mar 09 00:23:12 ogg being free and nice and not having any hardware decoder support and being so fringe that it's a losing battle the moment you start considering shipping it on a device? ;P Mar 09 00:23:25 there are a few ogg casts that i would like to add, but i guess it's ffmpeg for me :) Mar 09 00:23:34 got it, sorry (find found it on *.db, but not on html5-databases) Mar 09 00:30:17 reading old stuff about the iPad when it first got announced... The more militant calling people stupid for wanting to pay 500$ for a "useless computer without a keyboard." Kind of funny that those same types are all about the Xoom despite the 800$ price tag and similar lack of Flash content. Oops. :3c Mar 09 00:33:39 no, I pretty much still feel the same way Mar 09 00:34:08 of course I'm not a really big fan of the android way of customizing things either Mar 09 00:46:57 Tibfib: ping Mar 09 00:48:13 sine: you should do a daily-show esque mash-up of quotes from the same people attacking the iPad and then praising the xoom :) Mar 09 00:55:48 Loudergood: what's your problem with it? Mar 09 00:56:57 the whole idea of people making different roms is kind of weird to me, I like the preware+patches system much better Mar 09 00:58:11 * madnificent would probably prefer the combination Mar 09 00:58:24 Loudergood: agreed! Mar 09 00:59:16 I do like the Cydia system on iOS where the modifications are all self-contained and work entirely at runtime, as well. Mar 09 00:59:25 the fact that they call them roms also bothers me, but I had that discussion last night Mar 09 00:59:37 if you haven't seen http://twitpic.com/47mawc < -- pre2 Mar 09 00:59:43 i probably already showed it Mar 09 00:59:45 * joeb_ loves twitter Mar 09 01:00:13 joeb_: cool Mar 09 01:00:16 oh nice Mar 09 01:06:03 joeb: there's an article up on P|C about it too.. Mar 09 01:30:40 whoa, this isn't taken Mar 09 01:42:21 chpwn- is webos easy for you as far as programming ? Mar 09 01:43:00 joeb_: aren't you a dev? Mar 09 01:43:09 joeb_: easy enough, I guess? I've only just started though. Mar 09 01:43:52 madnificent- nop Mar 09 01:44:25 joeb_: in that case: it took me a week to learn and develop the basics of an app... that's not taking ares into account Mar 09 01:44:30 * madnificent doesn't like cliky cliky Mar 09 01:44:45 crazy Mar 09 01:45:01 that's a lie actually. I started monday/tuesday and have been developing to now. Took a day off in between and had to take some classes etc etc Mar 09 01:45:31 though I must say that I have the feeling that I'd like more programmer support though that could be because I don't know everything yet Mar 09 02:05:14 How long did it take you guys to get a reply back for the free Pre 2 program? Mar 09 02:05:48 Abyssul: haven't sent a request yet, haven't submitted an app yet either Mar 09 02:06:38 I sent a email about 4 days ago and havent gotten a reply. I didn't know what to put so I just put I was interested and asked what information they needed to qualify me Mar 09 02:07:22 Abyssul: it can take longer than that. They don't answer their mails that fast Mar 09 02:07:39 Abyssul: at least, they don't always answer them that fast :) Mar 09 02:07:46 Just curious since my friend got a reply back in two days. Mar 09 02:07:54 Abyssul: they don't want you! Mar 09 02:07:56 I didn't know if my message was ignored or something Mar 09 02:07:57 Abyssul: :P Mar 09 02:08:00 Figures... <.< Mar 09 02:08:11 Abyssul: have you submitted any applications so far? Mar 09 02:08:24 let me know if you get it (or another reply). I'm curious as well Mar 09 02:08:34 Work for Keen Studios on the Checkers app and Yo Dawg app Mar 09 02:08:47 Currently working on rewriting it for Enyo atm for Checkers v3 Mar 09 02:09:06 well, you're active... I guess that that'll be their qualification Mar 09 02:09:12 Also rewrite the online engine Mar 09 02:09:30 Checking out that Villo kit Mar 09 02:23:34 haeffb: pong Mar 09 02:26:45 pre2 just updated Mar 09 02:26:50 hp boot screen :'( Mar 09 02:27:56 :( Mar 09 02:31:49 Verizon best not hold it up again... Mar 09 02:31:53 but I know they will. Mar 09 02:32:02 Ineed Mar 09 02:32:05 Indeed* Mar 09 02:33:52 would it kill them to launch an update quickly? oh wait, they have to cripple and bloat it first Mar 09 02:34:08 höhö, my mistake Mar 09 02:34:32 Na, they just have a tedious process Mar 09 02:34:46 Its not like they are adding more bloat to a update. Mar 09 02:36:25 I know, I kid Mar 09 02:36:30 Did I break something or does Terminal not work on 2.1.0? Mar 09 02:36:52 Terminal the app or terminal on the PC? Mar 09 02:36:59 App. Mar 09 02:37:05 Probably doesnt work Mar 09 02:37:27 Probably doesnt work on 2.x period Mar 09 02:37:40 Harsh. Mar 09 02:38:07 Just the way the coding is. It might be written in java Mar 09 02:38:31 Rod just asked on Twitter for the Verizon 2.1 doctor... his mistake or does it actually exist? Mar 09 02:38:48 >_> Mar 09 02:38:52 <_< Mar 09 02:38:55 shhh Mar 09 02:39:04 It's existed for a while, to my knowledge.. Mar 09 02:39:51 Or Rod is commanding Palm to do his bidding Mar 09 02:40:01 I like my idea better Mar 09 02:40:48 @KGF2009 Do you mean the MetaDoc? Mar 09 02:41:18 Yeah. Mar 09 02:41:59 Yeah, I'm getting a real VZW Pre 2 in two days Mar 09 02:42:03 so I want the real thing Mar 09 02:42:08 Ah. Mar 09 02:42:24 I'm on VZW Pre+ with 2.1.0. Mar 09 02:42:44 Only thing I've had issues with is the autocorrect.. Mar 09 02:42:48 I have a Pre Plus that I couldn't be arsed to upgrade Mar 09 02:43:17 running 1.4.5 w/ UberKernel 1 GHz and more patches then I care to explain Mar 09 02:43:29 all going byebye in two days Mar 09 02:43:50 Oh, that's one thing I miss right now..One specific patch. Mar 09 02:44:09 No Video Pause on Screen Change Mar 09 02:44:17 Ew Mar 09 02:44:17 Or something like that. Mar 09 02:44:58 How hard can that be to port? Mar 09 02:45:26 That's the hardest patch to get used to because I'd go to youtube to listen to music and it sucks having to watch the often single image the whole time. Mar 09 02:45:33 * KGF2009 shrugs. Mar 09 02:45:50 I've never made a patch, nor do I know what I would edit to patch that. Mar 09 02:46:31 Grooveshark? Mar 09 02:46:59 Don't wanna pay the subscription fee. Mar 09 02:47:24 Trial ran out a long time ago. Mar 09 02:49:26 Someone put a placehold for a patch names "No video pause while minimized" on March 5th Mar 09 02:51:02 Yeah, can't find it now. Mar 09 02:51:23 Its a placeholder, not an actual patch Mar 09 02:51:35 Different category? Mar 09 02:52:02 Maybe, I know Rod implemented a way to hide placeholders from the normal menus. Mar 09 02:52:19 I just checked the ipkg.preware.org feed manually Mar 09 02:52:36 Nevermind. Found it with a search. Mar 09 02:52:48 And I hate 2.1.0 autocorrect. Mar 09 02:53:27 Changed "nevermind" to "determined". Mar 09 02:53:40 I turned it off Mar 09 02:53:45 I type like a normal person Mar 09 02:54:05 me 2 Mar 09 02:54:06 ...I completely forgot I could do that. Mar 09 02:54:09 Thank you. Mar 09 02:54:14 I can look into porting that patch for 2.1 Mar 09 02:54:25 Its a simple patch Mar 09 02:54:55 If I knew how patches worked, I might start making/porting some of my own. Mar 09 02:55:02 Not hard Mar 09 02:55:07 Porting is easier than creating Mar 09 02:55:16 Though some are impossible to port Mar 09 02:55:47 Right. Mar 09 02:56:25 I stopped maintaining my patches lol. Ill let other people port them :p Mar 09 02:56:50 So how do you port patches? Mar 09 02:57:07 most of the time its just changing the line numbers Mar 09 02:57:26 If Palm added or subtracted more lines to the file its editing, then it fails Mar 09 02:57:34 (between updates) Mar 09 02:58:56 G2g **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 09 02:59:57 2011