**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 10 02:59:57 2011 Mar 10 04:05:30 hrm. is a 2.x SDK required in order to palm-install to a 2.x device? Mar 10 04:06:09 I don't think so... Mar 10 04:07:57 can't see my Pre2 Mar 10 04:10:11 ummm....dev mode? Mar 10 04:10:18 says it's on. Mar 10 04:10:22 hmm Mar 10 04:10:37 you need to pull Novacom out of a 2.x doctor Mar 10 04:10:56 sigh Mar 10 04:11:02 presumably a 2.x SDK would have a novacom or you Mar 10 04:11:09 s/or/for Mar 10 04:13:14 if there were such a thing Mar 10 04:14:01 or you can just strip novacom out of a 2.x doctor P: Mar 10 04:22:33 or just download novacom Mar 10 04:22:48 I found a way to get it to work... Mar 10 04:23:42 man .. i've always wanted debian but since i have a palm now ubuntu is the best option for linux Mar 10 04:27:19 joeb_: what difference does palm make for choosing ubuntu? Mar 10 04:27:46 bbs Mar 10 04:28:29 hello Mar 10 04:30:42 hello Mar 10 04:30:59 how's it goin? Mar 10 04:32:30 * PatrickC_Pre wants 2.x SDK to be released... Mar 10 04:32:58 has anyone heard back from Palm about the Pre2 dev device? and if so, how long from first email? Mar 10 04:34:50 cwayne: palm has to choose one to support. Ubuntu is the obvious choice. Mar 10 04:35:19 rwhitby: right, but the underlying system is the same nonetheless Mar 10 04:35:33 i.e. if it works on ubuntu, itll *most likely* work in debian Mar 10 04:35:35 correct, but that is irrelevant to a company that has to support a product Mar 10 04:35:38 what's up? Mar 10 04:36:08 "most likely" == unbounded additional support costs Mar 10 04:36:31 "tested single configuration" = manageable cost Mar 10 04:36:32 rwhitby: right, im not saying they need to officially support it Mar 10 04:36:44 so much as it can be used on debian Mar 10 04:36:48 cwayne: for a company there is either official support or nothing Mar 10 04:37:03 rwhitby: right, i was just talking about an individual user though Mar 10 04:37:12 or i thought so at least Mar 10 04:37:33 ah, yes. individual users can choose to take the hard road Mar 10 04:37:54 rwhitby: right. my point is that given the similarities, i really doubt it'd be all that hard of a road Mar 10 04:38:12 but yeah, i see your point as well :) Mar 10 04:39:13 cwayne: an individual user just wants the binaries, and yeah people have run them on all kinds of distributions even having nothing to do with debian, usually pretty easily Mar 10 04:39:44 cwayne: that is to say, an individual user with the right skillset :) Mar 10 04:40:00 not like me :) Mar 10 04:40:04 destinal: right, and my point was that ubuntu is based off debian, so the install process would be the same :) Mar 10 04:40:33 PatrickC_Pre: you hear back about your pre2 yet? Mar 10 04:40:34 cwayne: yeah, easy install, just make your own init script or run it by hand still though Mar 10 04:40:41 no :'( Mar 10 04:40:49 destinal: fair enough :) Mar 10 04:40:50 I first emailed on Feb 15 Mar 10 04:40:58 you email back yet? Mar 10 04:41:02 yea Mar 10 04:41:06 on March 3 Mar 10 04:46:06 PatrickC_Pre: hmm, i guess theyre swamped Mar 10 04:51:07 is there a good reddit app on webos? Mar 10 04:54:04 I'm using Redditor from Preware Mar 10 04:54:17 but it's very basic Mar 10 04:54:27 I'd like one with some different features Mar 10 04:54:44 it's almost literally a browser Mar 10 04:56:24 * cwayne might have just gotten a new app idea Mar 10 04:57:33 there's also preddit, also in preware, that has more features, I didn't like the interface Mar 10 04:57:46 also, I think was broken Mar 10 05:00:27 ugh. Wiki spam is so bad on webOS101.com Mar 10 05:00:55 Added captcha and it didn't affect the rate at all. The link filter helped, reduced it by 50% probably. Mar 10 05:01:28 is wiki spam automated usually? Mar 10 05:01:48 yep Mar 10 05:42:15 evening folks Mar 10 05:45:14 * phil_bw sighs a happy sigh Mar 10 05:45:23 what a glorious moment Mar 10 05:45:54 my sdl based game that i spent a very long time working on to make functional is now an opengl based game that is functional :) Mar 10 05:47:26 but webos can't do open gl? Mar 10 05:47:28 only sdl? Mar 10 05:47:32 ? Mar 10 05:47:37 webos does both Mar 10 05:47:44 er the Pre does both Mar 10 05:47:56 the Pixi doesn't do SDL so well but does OpenGL just fine Mar 10 05:55:06 so i can scrap working in sdl and work on opengl? Mar 10 05:55:16 opengl will perform the sam as sdl for the palm pre or ? Mar 10 05:57:15 that's what I did, I started with SDL then realized that it was going to be buggy on the pre, unsupported on the iphone, and iffy on android Mar 10 05:57:25 whereas OpenGL is supported natively across all of them Mar 10 05:58:01 now mind you going from SDL to OpenGL is like going from doing a brake job to changing a transmission... it's not exactly easy Mar 10 05:58:19 er buggy on the pixi* (sdl is fine on the pre) Mar 10 05:58:37 where can i get a helloworld application on that? Mar 10 05:58:47 heh Mar 10 05:59:08 there isn't really a one stop source when developing OpenGL for webOS Mar 10 05:59:35 Palm has a few examples for OpenGL ES 2.0 (I decided to go with ES 1.1 for comatibility/simplicity reasons) Mar 10 06:00:16 really you'll find mostly iPhone examples which are written in Objective C (and you'll probably use C++ with webOS) Mar 10 06:01:41 btw, if SDL is going to work for what you need, stick with it. If you're only targetting the Pre it should be just fine Mar 10 06:03:01 anyhow, I'm going to bed, best of luck to you. if you have any questions just hit me up if you see me Mar 10 06:03:03 * phil_bw wanders off Mar 10 13:10:59 good morning Mar 10 13:11:33 mornings Loudergood Mar 10 13:20:30 Well this is interesting. The GPS on my Pre2 with 2.1 is working a lot better than it did on 2.0.1. The southern hemisphere bug is still there though. Mar 10 13:21:35 yeah that's a pretty big bug Mar 10 13:22:22 I'm not sure it would be that hard to fix. Mar 10 13:23:47 You could kludge around it by subtracting 2^32 / 1e7 from any bogus latitude. Mar 10 13:26:49 I wonder if that could be patched into google maps... Mar 10 13:27:22 But it isn't a Google Maps issue. Mar 10 13:27:44 no it's not Mar 10 13:28:00 but it would make it at least somewhat usable in the short term Mar 10 13:28:17 Although there is now a bug against the latitude API for accepting data outside of +/- 90 degrees. Mar 10 13:28:28 The Maps client on the Pre is also deprecated. Mar 10 13:29:53 I'll admit its a workaround and not a solution Mar 10 13:31:09 Well, the Maps client currently on the Pre isn't going to be patched for it (nor do I think it should be) Mar 10 13:31:55 I was thinking more of a preware style patch Mar 10 13:32:52 You'd have to patch location services. After all, patching Maps doesn't fix it for anything else. Mar 10 14:40:12 lame Mar 10 14:40:16 no 2.1 for big red y et Mar 10 14:40:17 :( Mar 10 14:40:27 precentral story got me excited until I read further Mar 10 14:40:39 eh? Mar 10 14:40:41 VZW? Mar 10 14:40:43 ready what? Mar 10 14:40:47 -y Mar 10 14:40:49 unlocked beeyotch Mar 10 14:42:27 yea vzw Mar 10 14:42:49 before I finished reading the rss I launched my software updater only to get slapped with a trout of big fat dissapointment Mar 10 14:44:35 my pre2 wants to ota update to 1.4.5 Mar 10 14:44:36 :\ Mar 10 14:44:58 lol Mar 10 14:45:28 i guess thats what i get for mix n matching my own meta doctor instead of using the script Mar 10 14:45:37 or i should say not re-doctoring after the scripts hit Mar 10 14:47:01 hey, any of you running new Spaz 2.0.9 and seeing weirdness? appreciate fdbk Mar 10 14:48:44 for an app called spaz, itd be strange to NOT see weirdness Mar 10 14:48:45 :-P Mar 10 14:48:50 agreed. Mar 10 14:49:04 I think some people may not get my humor Mar 10 14:49:16 so sell it to them on ebay Mar 10 14:49:20 make extra $$$ Mar 10 14:49:30 for example, it will occasionally pop up a panel and say "hey, you can buy shirts or donate or shit like tht" Mar 10 14:49:33 guide to funky humor : first ed Mar 10 14:49:47 and the dismiss button is red, and says "No, I Hate Spaz" Mar 10 14:52:46 funkatron you made spaz? Mar 10 14:54:03 we should start calling him "The Spaz Man" Mar 10 14:55:19 funkatron: I saw that panel when I landed at YSSY, and I got the humour. Mar 10 14:55:39 Hendikins: good 8D Mar 10 14:55:44 YSSY? Mar 10 14:55:53 er. Sydney Airport. Mar 10 14:56:32 is the special edition selling good? Mar 10 14:59:59 whoops Mar 10 15:25:33 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 loves closing out bug reports Mar 10 15:25:54 though itd be better if there wernt any to close in the first place... Mar 10 15:25:55 :-P Mar 10 15:29:05 nah, the best state is tons of closed ones Mar 10 15:29:12 because if you're not finding any... Mar 10 15:29:21 then you suck at qa Mar 10 15:29:51 hi Mar 10 15:30:29 ehhhh whats up doc Mar 10 15:30:39 are any palm kernel devs in here? Mar 10 15:31:05 popcorn kernel, or pre kernel? Mar 10 15:31:10 either way, nafaik Mar 10 15:32:44 hi everyone Mar 10 15:32:59 err pre2 kernel to be specific ;-) Mar 10 15:33:13 got a quick question, how do I deactivate a list so that when users tap on it, the list won't react to the tap Mar 10 15:33:42 martinhacks: you can stop listening to the listTap event :) Mar 10 15:35:26 hi sugardave Mar 10 15:35:37 I don't have any listTap event handlers Mar 10 15:36:07 so how does it do anything? Mar 10 15:36:24 that is a mystery for me too :) Mar 10 15:36:31 I just need a list that displays data Mar 10 15:36:32 hmm Mar 10 15:36:33 that's all Mar 10 15:36:41 "non-clickable" Mar 10 15:36:44 sure, so if you tap on it now what does it do? Mar 10 15:36:53 oh, you mean visual indicator, huh? Mar 10 15:37:05 it does nothing but the list elements get grayed out Mar 10 15:37:12 yea Mar 10 15:37:13 right, I see Mar 10 15:37:15 hmm Mar 10 15:37:28 let me think a minute Mar 10 15:37:38 thanks sugardave, you're always so helpful :) Mar 10 15:39:22 is there an enable property like lists everywhere else? Mar 10 15:39:25 never looked :) Mar 10 15:39:37 there is Mar 10 15:39:39 I just looked Mar 10 15:39:45 it's 'disabled' Mar 10 15:39:48 in the model Mar 10 15:40:03 so set disabled to true Mar 10 15:40:04 martinhacks: so you can just add disabled: true, I think Mar 10 15:40:12 see if thats the functionality you want Mar 10 15:40:32 unfortunately I just tried that and it doesn't work Mar 10 15:40:38 if not, come back and beat sugardave over the head with listObject's just for the fun of it Mar 10 15:40:54 heh Mar 10 15:40:56 lol Mar 10 15:41:34 not working damn Mar 10 15:41:42 you could just set in the action listener to select all objects all the time, so if they tap it and select / unselect something itll just re-select it Mar 10 15:41:52 or none of the onjects all the time Mar 10 15:42:05 martinhacks: so, your list...are you using the scene scroller or are you putting it in its own scroller (so you know it's always a fixed size)? Mar 10 15:42:10 though that could be a bit sluggish Mar 10 15:43:16 I use this mojo element: x-mojo-element='List' Mar 10 15:43:29 I don't know if that's what you asked sugardave Mar 10 15:44:06 my first cheat attempt would be to position an empty div over the whole list and let it take the brunt of user's tapping Mar 10 15:44:27 martinhacks: not really, but that's okay :) Mar 10 15:45:07 :) Mar 10 15:45:21 if I couldn't get the div thing to work, then I might select all the elements of the list that have the attribute x-mojo-touch-feedback (or whatever it is, check the DOM) and remove the attribute Mar 10 15:46:09 should be able to specify the x-ojo-touch-feedback in your html Mar 10 15:46:21 ok let me inspect Mar 10 15:46:24 I.e. "none" maybe Mar 10 15:47:02 martinhacks: do what haeffb_pre just said, you can set x-mojo-touch-feedback on the list widget Mar 10 15:47:13 i see a row of objects, i want to paint it black Mar 10 15:47:17 there's another one, too, and I can't remember it right now Mar 10 15:47:32 x-mojo-tap-highlight, I think Mar 10 15:49:05 I rue the day when my x-mojo knowledge becomes obsolete Mar 10 15:49:55 haeffb_pre: yeah, we only have a short time left before we join the ranks of COBOL programmers Mar 10 15:52:02 it worked! Mar 10 15:52:22 I just add the x-mojo-touch-feedback="delayed" attribute to my x-mojo-element='List' div Mar 10 15:52:33 and it stopped displaying that gray box when tapping Mar 10 15:52:36 thanks a lot guys Mar 10 15:52:51 thatll be $59.95 Mar 10 15:52:59 depositted to the webos-internals donation box Mar 10 15:53:03 :) Mar 10 15:53:12 give me your bank account and you will see the money soon :P Mar 10 15:53:24 oh and your credit card number just in case :P Mar 10 15:53:30 :) Mar 10 15:53:49 I am foreign diplomat needing to transfer large deposit of funds into your country Mar 10 15:54:05 in order to facilitate transaction, i must pass it through a naturalized citizen Mar 10 15:54:19 general rule of thumb: never give financial info to a guy with "hacks" in his nick Mar 10 15:54:29 you may keep a percentage as your fee, but i will be needing your full name, address, social security number, and bank numbers Mar 10 15:55:04 lol haeffb_pre Mar 10 15:55:14 moo Mar 10 15:55:52 it's my lucky day! Mar 10 15:55:58 "haeffb", on the other hand can be trusted with anything Mar 10 15:56:27 l33th4ck3r Mar 10 15:56:37 sugardave: thursday ? Mar 10 15:59:14 sugardave, got your pre2? Mar 10 16:07:44 oh, no, I was about to hand over my bank info for a big commission, but I see you were just messing with me Mar 10 16:07:45 yeah, cobol Mar 10 16:07:48 *g* Mar 10 16:08:00 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: yeah, got my pre2 yesterday Mar 10 16:08:13 I need to take the SIM out of this other one so I can activate it Mar 10 16:08:29 hmm, actually I just need to make a meta-doctor Mar 10 16:08:39 sugardave: now (17:00) still no pre2 and no tracking id - i assume it on friday or monday Mar 10 16:08:52 leiru: where are you, geographically? Mar 10 16:08:58 hamburg, germany Mar 10 16:09:00 ah Mar 10 16:09:19 hopefully you get it soon, I think Europe is getting theirs slower? Mar 10 16:09:31 yeah it must fly over the big ocean Mar 10 16:09:37 heh Mar 10 16:09:57 theyre using slingshots to launch em over the ocean, so there is a high disapearance rate Mar 10 16:10:06 therefore, it takes awhile for ppl to get em over there :) Mar 10 16:10:10 hahaha Mar 10 16:11:02 I floated the idea of using helium balloon animals Mar 10 16:12:09 yeah, but chuq didnt want everyone preparing them to sound like donald duck Mar 10 16:12:16 so he turned you down didnt he? Mar 10 16:12:44 i suggested model rockets, but the fcc put a stop to that one since theyd probably be classified as icbm's and shot down Mar 10 16:13:34 sugardave: haha very punny Mar 10 16:13:39 anyone know how to use/set http cookies with ajax.request? Mar 10 16:14:46 generic php example : Mar 10 16:14:47 new Ajax.Request('target.php', { Mar 10 16:14:47 method: 'post', Mar 10 16:14:47 parameters: {}, Mar 10 16:14:47 asynchronous:false, Mar 10 16:14:47 onSuccess: function(transport){ Mar 10 16:14:49 var response = transport.responseText || "no response text"; Mar 10 16:14:53 document.write(response); Mar 10 16:14:55 } Mar 10 16:14:57 }); Mar 10 16:15:27 just change the method to your desired method Mar 10 16:16:08 hrmm Mar 10 16:16:40 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: yeah, thats what i did essentially in my app, now im trying on a different api and theres some funky shit goin on Mar 10 17:20:04 cwayne, try implementing the failure and error functions as well, see whats going on there Mar 10 17:26:20 hay Mar 10 17:33:30 Was that a redneck hay, or a limp wrist hay? Mar 10 17:34:01 redneck :p Mar 10 17:34:10 :) Mar 10 17:34:55 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 immediatly assumes the reverse, and locates steel boxers Mar 10 17:36:50 lol Mar 10 17:42:04 * PatrickC_Pre is not happy with dev relations.... :/ Mar 10 17:44:08 how come? Mar 10 17:45:56 they turn you down for a free pre2? Mar 10 17:47:37 they haven't responded in like 4 weeks since first email... Mar 10 17:47:54 I emailed the DAY it started and haven't heard anything :/ Mar 10 17:48:05 oh, are they really slow? Mar 10 17:48:07 that's a bummer Mar 10 17:48:17 I haven't heard either, but you emailed them first Mar 10 17:48:49 I sent a follow up email on the 3rd Mar 10 17:49:14 but most people that emailed on the 15th (day it started) heard back by the 19th! Mar 10 17:50:18 * PatrickC_Pre :/ Mar 10 17:50:37 so are they just really bad about responding? do they not have enough to give away? Mar 10 17:50:46 is their process really weird? Mar 10 17:51:42 they responded to me within a week for the last givaway Mar 10 17:51:57 but this time......... not so Mar 10 17:52:23 I emailed them Feb 21st Mar 10 17:52:35 I haven't heard anything Mar 10 17:53:04 hope me/you hear back soon..... Mar 10 17:54:45 I'm not expecting to Mar 10 17:54:53 I don't have any apps in the market Mar 10 17:54:55 just one in progress Mar 10 17:56:29 its all manual, and easy forsomeone to lose an email Mar 10 17:56:45 ive seen it happen a few times before, so a 2nd follow up email is usually warranted Mar 10 17:56:51 but theyll get to it eventualy Mar 10 17:58:38 I'll send another one tomorrow if I don't hear back Mar 10 18:22:55 no kindle reader for ubuntu... ? Mar 10 18:34:42 PatrickC_Pre, setup a prog on a timer to auto generate and send a new email every 15min Mar 10 18:35:03 theyll respond pretty quickly (or just auto-file you as spam) Mar 10 18:35:13 either way, youll get a swift resolution!! Mar 10 18:41:20 PatrickC_Pre: read last time about your hardware issues. one question: how old are you, cause you have to ask your parents for hardware...? Mar 10 18:42:05 * Xuzz hopes his Pre comes today. Gain Mar 10 18:42:08 Again. Mar 10 18:42:31 * Xuzz has been hoping for about a week ;P Mar 10 18:46:07 leiru: I'm 15 :) Mar 10 18:48:19 what apps is everyone working on? Mar 10 18:49:35 the bozac Mar 10 18:49:56 the bozac? lol Mar 10 18:52:22 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/big-price-for-the-tiny-hp-ever/ Mar 10 18:52:33 hope those prices are place holders... Mar 10 18:58:13 Argh... did anyone knew that whenever you pause a program when debugging with Ares, the entire Pre freezes? :S Mar 10 18:58:59 no.. I stopped using ares.. SDK is much more portable for me :) Mar 10 19:01:15 nuttybunny: have you received your dev pre2? Mar 10 19:02:07 PatrickC_Pre: No, I'm still working with the Plus :( Mar 10 19:02:20 have you heard back from Palm yet? Mar 10 19:02:40 how hard is it to make things react to motion? Mar 10 19:02:44 so, I went offline on gtalk for a few minutes when I got called at work and I left my debugging session open :) Mar 10 19:03:07 oops :) Mar 10 19:03:22 nuttybunny: what apps do you have in the catalog? Mar 10 19:03:29 I don't know, I talked with a guy who said that I was qualified, but that's it, I haven't heard from them... I might as well email him again (I emailed him las on March 1 I think) Mar 10 19:03:51 who? what was the guy's name? Peter? Mar 10 19:03:57 Only a Network Subnet calculator, and I'm doing other 2 (and upgrading the first) Mar 10 19:03:58 Adam Mar 10 19:04:06 hmm. Mar 10 19:04:48 I'm gonna email Adela next (my dev rep) I haven't heard back and my first email was the first day the program started! lol Mar 10 19:04:58 then I emailed again on the 3rd... Mar 10 19:06:00 was that app built in Ares? Mar 10 19:07:13 you got nice people reviewing your app.. :p Mar 10 19:07:18 Mine? yes, Ares Mar 10 19:07:32 when my app had an empty app menu they rejected it :/ Mar 10 19:07:35 wow Mar 10 19:07:42 nice looking app Mar 10 19:08:08 thanks :) the new version has some stuff people asked in the reviews, another two scenes Mar 10 19:09:00 when will it get pushed? what other apps are you working on? Mar 10 19:12:15 Just a few bugs left, maybe this weekend, the other apps are a text editor which maybe won't be ever released, and the other is a secret (there are no other apps that do what mine do) :) Mar 10 19:13:57 lol Mar 10 19:14:20 * PatrickC_Pre looks at NuttyBunny 's computer to find out secret app Mar 10 19:16:06 NuttyBunny: its not a reddit app is it Mar 10 19:16:59 it is I bet :p Mar 10 19:17:12 PatrickC_Pre: nope, im callin dibbs on it Mar 10 19:17:16 DIBBS Mar 10 19:17:17 lol Mar 10 19:17:27 DOUBLE DIBBS! Mar 10 19:18:31 I beat you :p Mar 10 19:18:58 cwayne: No, not a reddit app :) Mar 10 19:19:06 dibbs then! Mar 10 19:19:07 lol Mar 10 19:19:12 It won't work with internet data :) Mar 10 19:19:17 although the reddit api so far is the devil Mar 10 19:21:40 @PalmFlashCards says on twitter: ProgrammableWeb now has 3,000 API's. Why not go get one and make a webOS app out of it? http://bit.ly/fkoRzw Mar 10 19:22:41 emailed yet again... now the waiting begins..... again Mar 10 19:22:42 :q Mar 10 19:22:48 s/:q/:p Mar 10 19:25:55 PatrickC_Pre: emailed for what? Mar 10 19:26:05 Pre2 dev program Mar 10 19:26:27 oic Mar 10 19:26:32 no reaction whatsoever? Mar 10 19:27:04 none Mar 10 19:27:10 I've emailed twice Mar 10 19:27:15 and nothing! Mar 10 19:27:18 to devmarketing? Mar 10 19:27:20 this is the third email Mar 10 19:27:22 yea Mar 10 19:27:29 that's unfortunate Mar 10 19:27:59 this one was to a dev rep Mar 10 19:28:29 anyone in here use accelerometer? Mar 10 19:28:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 cool stuff Mar 10 19:28:59 i do in my PDK games Mar 10 19:29:16 well... more game than games but still ^^ Mar 10 19:29:25 oh wait, another one is in development Mar 10 19:29:43 how hard is it? Mar 10 19:29:52 I just need simple movement Mar 10 19:29:57 for my lighter app Mar 10 19:30:48 sugardave: what's the sending date at the UPS sticker? Mar 10 19:31:18 heh Mar 10 19:31:31 PatrickC_Pre: do you have an app in the catalog yet? Mar 10 19:31:35 so yeah.. just joystick events Mar 10 19:31:40 5 Mar 10 19:31:44 PatrickC_Pre: don't be depressed about your HW. if you keep it that way, one day you will be the über-developer. Mar 10 19:31:58 ... and money for new, fat hardware will come. Mar 10 19:32:01 keep what hardware? the laptop hehe Mar 10 19:32:27 yes, that old laptop. Mar 10 19:32:40 I have 5 apps in the catalog cwayne Mar 10 19:32:54 PatrickC_Pre: hey me too :) Mar 10 19:32:55 lol Mar 10 19:33:01 awesome! what apps? Mar 10 19:34:25 awful, awful ones. :) Mar 10 19:34:33 whatre yours? Mar 10 19:34:34 fart apps? Mar 10 19:34:38 joetweeply: not that bad Mar 10 19:34:42 heh Mar 10 19:34:54 well i bet you can't beat my first app though Mar 10 19:35:12 or even my third Mar 10 19:35:35 mine are awful too :p Mar 10 19:35:55 yeah it's always the others making great apps Mar 10 19:35:55 Just a Flashlight Plus/Lite, Lighter Light Beta/(Pixi), Fog Horn Mar 10 19:36:24 yep Mar 10 19:36:36 mine aren't that good to begin with though :p Mar 10 19:37:51 lol i just got a parking app, then some apps for sites my roomate and i made Mar 10 19:37:57 well.. maybe the next app will be killer Mar 10 19:38:34 Angry Pigs: the porkers strike back! Mar 10 19:38:56 Ribbit: French Twitter app Mar 10 19:39:09 I like my idea :) Mar 10 19:39:20 make thousands of dollars!!! Mar 10 19:39:22 yeah.. could be great Mar 10 19:39:29 whats your idea? Mar 10 19:39:40 lol so far i've made.... 14 dollars! Mar 10 19:39:41 Angry Pigs: the porkers strike back! Mar 10 19:39:45 oh haha Mar 10 19:39:47 do it up Mar 10 19:39:49 especially when you make it kinda like tower defense... build up a level that the AI will not break at first try Mar 10 19:39:52 I've made like 40 Mar 10 19:40:25 i just earned bad reviews. and good ones. Mar 10 19:40:28 the app (Angry Pigs) would be awesome! if I could code it before I turn 90!! lol Mar 10 19:40:39 shouldn't take too long Mar 10 19:40:46 for me... Mar 10 19:40:52 have you seen my coding?? lol Mar 10 19:40:58 ask sugardave :p Mar 10 19:40:59 nope Mar 10 19:41:09 lol PatrickC_Pre, youre beatin me. though 3/5 of mine are free Mar 10 19:41:11 that's why you think it won't take long ;) Mar 10 19:41:23 heh Mar 10 19:41:27 3/5 of mine are free too :) Mar 10 19:41:35 PatrickC_Pre: DAMN YOU STOP BEATING ME Mar 10 19:41:37 lol Mar 10 19:41:43 what paid apps do you have? Mar 10 19:41:47 * leiru thinks about a blog or a personal homepage. Mar 10 19:41:54 just ad-free versions of my free ones Mar 10 19:41:58 PatrickC_Pre, cwayne: racist Mar 10 19:42:16 how? lol Mar 10 19:42:27 only letting 3/5ths be free? come on now Mar 10 19:42:31 and cwayne: I don't have any apps with ads :) Mar 10 19:42:33 lol Mar 10 19:42:34 next you'll only let 3/5ths of them vote Mar 10 19:42:36 hahahahahahahaha Mar 10 19:42:52 hehe well..... Mar 10 19:43:10 it's funnier if you're familiar with US history (no idea where you guys are located) Mar 10 19:43:16 oh, historically accurate jokes Mar 10 19:43:16 lol Mar 10 19:43:31 I'm in the US Mar 10 19:44:00 3/5 compromise PatrickC_Pre Mar 10 19:44:00 ok, then maybe it isn't that funny :) Mar 10 19:44:05 summatusmentis: i lol'ed Mar 10 19:44:21 does anyone in here use any of my apps? Mar 10 19:44:29 what are your apps? Mar 10 19:44:40 Just a Flashlight Plus/Lite, Lighter Light Beta/(Pixi), Fog Horn Mar 10 19:44:54 I do not Mar 10 19:45:05 you should :( Mar 10 19:45:10 s/:(/:) Mar 10 19:45:14 which one do you recommend? Mar 10 19:45:17 I have a patch installed for a flashlight Mar 10 19:45:26 i dont have a webos phone anymore :( Mar 10 19:45:32 all of 'em joteweeply :) Mar 10 19:45:36 hehe Mar 10 19:45:38 and people got mad at me when I used a vuvuzela app, so fog horn wouldn't go over well Mar 10 19:45:39 cwayne: why???? Mar 10 19:45:45 but Fog Horn is the best Mar 10 19:45:54 and the Lighter needs the most help lol Mar 10 19:46:15 it has more then just a fog horn :p Mar 10 19:46:44 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.patrickc.foghorn&applicationid=6397 Mar 10 19:47:38 that's the Fog Horn :) Mar 10 19:47:46 go ahead and buy hehe Mar 10 19:48:15 oh and one more app I forgot :o Mar 10 19:48:20 Strobe! Lite Mar 10 19:48:34 lol Mar 10 19:48:46 yea... not my best app Mar 10 19:50:23 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.patrickc.justaflashlightplus&applicationid=5952 Mar 10 19:50:30 another AWESOME!! app :) Mar 10 19:50:54 bbl lunch time Mar 10 19:50:59 PM me if needed Mar 10 19:51:45 and feel free to download any of those apps :) Mar 10 20:29:38 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 stabs cwayne Mar 10 20:29:44 any luck on that ajax request Mar 10 20:30:06 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: nopes Mar 10 20:30:20 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: i know how to do ajax request themselves, i do it about 1000 times in my other apps Mar 10 20:30:21 did you implement the error / failure functions yet? Mar 10 20:30:27 just having an issue with reddit's api Mar 10 20:30:37 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: yeah, its more of an issue with the api currently Mar 10 20:30:39 havnt used reddit's api's :\ Mar 10 20:30:43 use fire Mar 10 20:30:47 fire fixes everything Mar 10 20:30:50 lol Mar 10 20:30:56 if it didnt fix it, you didnt use enough fire Mar 10 20:31:07 fire or duct tape Mar 10 20:31:19 duct tape and bubblegum are advanced fixes Mar 10 20:31:33 of course Mar 10 20:31:39 you get your license for those after you obtain your mcguyver level license Mar 10 20:32:04 class 2 mcguyver adds the swiss army knife Mar 10 20:32:12 wheres the paper clip come in? Mar 10 20:32:23 its built in to the swiss army knife Mar 10 20:32:26 as a utility Mar 10 20:32:28 :) Mar 10 20:33:20 lol :) Mar 10 20:35:19 so what exactly is it doing anyway? are you getting anything back in the response? Mar 10 20:37:27 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: well im getting the standard error from the server Mar 10 20:37:42 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: the reddit api returns a cookie instead of just a json response, so its being weird Mar 10 20:37:56 did you check the server log to see what the request there was? Mar 10 20:38:15 cant, not my server :/ Mar 10 20:38:37 submit a ticket requesting those logs Mar 10 20:38:45 tbh, id setup a local server Mar 10 20:39:04 devel on that, then point to the production server for final qa / release Mar 10 20:39:30 a lamp / wamp setup depending on your os Mar 10 20:40:01 yeah, thats what im gonna need to do Mar 10 20:40:09 i just didnt feel like branching reddit Mar 10 20:40:10 lol Mar 10 20:41:26 well, you could also request those logs Mar 10 20:41:36 but if the server has alot of traffic, good luck! Mar 10 20:41:45 use netcat Mar 10 20:42:00 huuuge amount of traffic, lol Mar 10 20:42:03 netcat? Mar 10 20:42:40 if you have a good router / layer 3 switch you can also use wireshark w/ port mirroring on the switch Mar 10 20:43:33 netcat allows you to process packets manually basically Mar 10 20:43:52 wireshark allows you to snoop on packets being sent Mar 10 20:44:04 basically, a mitm attack Mar 10 20:44:15 ah Mar 10 20:44:44 you use the wifi connection, setup port mirroring to a desktop pc, all network traffic is filtered there, have wireshark log all traffic and filter for the pre/pixi/pre2's ip Mar 10 20:44:52 and poof, there is your raw packet data Mar 10 20:45:19 could work Mar 10 20:45:32 * cwayne likes his api better than reddits Mar 10 20:45:52 i think wireshark is a better debugging tool at this point than netcat, netcat would be the next step after locating the problem w/ wireshark to try and work on solutions Mar 10 20:46:37 the spaz meister is back Mar 10 20:46:46 i am Mar 10 20:46:48 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 ducks Mar 10 20:47:17 anyway cwayne, see if your router / switch supports port mirroring Mar 10 20:47:39 if not, see if you can setup a desktop pc thats wired in to yournetwork as a wireless ap and connect the pre to that Mar 10 20:47:43 then setup wireshark Mar 10 20:47:47 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: i'll have to do that when i get home (at work now) Mar 10 20:47:52 same here Mar 10 20:47:57 thanks for the advice :) Mar 10 20:48:03 been a long day, im about done Mar 10 20:49:07 where you work? Mar 10 20:49:35 jbautotech.com Mar 10 20:50:12 design / build automation equipment Mar 10 20:50:16 ah, nice Mar 10 20:50:31 i program it and maintain the office IT stuff Mar 10 20:52:58 what is reddit anyway? Mar 10 20:53:03 news site Mar 10 20:53:07 basically Mar 10 20:53:27 like engadget? Mar 10 20:53:29 funkatron i still think about joining/contributing to spaz. but i ask myself, where's the place that you honor past members of the project? Mar 10 20:53:31 reddit.com Mar 10 20:53:33 like digg Mar 10 20:53:51 leiru: he burns their user names into toast and eats them Mar 10 20:53:58 i think open source is the place where one's can show his skills, but if one remains unknown, it doesn't make sense to me Mar 10 20:54:06 * PatrickC-Away doesn't know what digg is :p Mar 10 20:54:22 leiru, its a hidden easteregg - you need to enter the key sequence "show me the names of the people whose souls funkatron has stollen through contributed code" Mar 10 20:54:22 good lord you dont know digg or reddit Mar 10 20:54:34 leiru: I think it's called "the commit log" Mar 10 20:54:37 next he's going to tell us he doesn't know what fark is Mar 10 20:54:44 PatrickC-Away, have you been under a rock the past 10 yrs? :-\ Mar 10 20:54:56 cwayne: that's merely a fraction of the set Mar 10 20:55:29 sugardave: a relatively large fraction... Mar 10 20:55:30 leiru: but please, I am not here to convince you to work on it. do it or don't do it. Mar 10 20:55:50 cwayne: no, I mean that's merely a fraction of the set of "what PatrickC-Away doesn't know" Mar 10 20:55:58 sugardave: lol Mar 10 20:56:10 in that case, its a pretty small fraction Mar 10 20:56:12 :-P Mar 10 20:56:25 leiru: another motivation for working on open source is to give back to a project that you use Mar 10 20:56:57 arg, too many ideas, not enough mes Mar 10 20:57:05 lol Mar 10 20:57:23 sugardave, story of my life! Mar 10 20:57:32 Loudergood: sure, but actually i use carbon client ;) Mar 10 20:57:36 this week is burning me out, i need a vacation] Mar 10 20:57:42 I use PIC and WebOS Roundup and Engadget :p Mar 10 20:58:17 christ, then use carbon! I really don't give a shit. Mar 10 20:58:36 what's wrong funkatron? Mar 10 20:58:40 do not try to guilt me into "convincing" you to contribute. it's not my job. do it or don't do it. Mar 10 20:58:58 oh, I that you were talking to me :o Mar 10 20:59:24 no sir Mar 10 20:59:35 lol ok Mar 10 21:00:34 funkatron, would you like to borrow a sword or 2 to go crazy w/? :) Mar 10 21:00:44 heh Mar 10 21:03:05 * PatrickC-Away needs to figure out how to make a lighter animation without Photoshop... the ones from google don't cut it :p Mar 10 21:03:27 opengl Mar 10 21:03:53 and then once I make the lighter, get it to respond to accelerometer.. thanks sugardave Mar 10 21:04:14 save individual frames then use jss to swap em out Mar 10 21:04:34 use gimp to edit them - open source and legally free! Mar 10 21:04:39 lol gimp Mar 10 21:04:43 but I have to make the individual frames :p Mar 10 21:04:48 i know, kind gimpy Mar 10 21:04:55 but thats the point! Mar 10 21:04:56 I use gimp all the time Mar 10 21:04:59 poorly Mar 10 21:05:04 lol Mar 10 21:05:14 i bought my wife a book on gimp for photographers awhile back Mar 10 21:05:21 alot of good stuff in it for everyday stuff to Mar 10 21:05:23 I used gimp before, its kinda ok Mar 10 21:05:35 gimp is pretty powerful if you know how to use it Mar 10 21:05:44 for the best stuff, you need to work w/ script-fu Mar 10 21:05:48 and I don't know how to use it Mar 10 21:05:57 yeah, I finally had a "click" of some fundamental image concepts a few months ago Mar 10 21:06:09 yeah i suck at gimp Mar 10 21:06:12 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 unchecks the box and wanders away whistling Mar 10 21:06:12 but im also no artist Mar 10 21:06:13 lol Mar 10 21:06:14 but I'm far from scripting anything Mar 10 21:06:18 oops, unclicked :-P Mar 10 21:06:29 WebGL or OpenGL? Mar 10 21:06:36 ive scripted adding watermarks to images ect Mar 10 21:06:47 webgl isnt supported on webos yet afaik Mar 10 21:06:48 no webgl yet Mar 10 21:06:56 ok Mar 10 21:07:00 no roadmap for it either last i heard Mar 10 21:07:06 bummer Mar 10 21:07:21 yeah, maybe itll launch w/ the pre3? :-P Mar 10 21:07:28 I don't know anything about openGL :p Mar 10 21:07:46 its part of what i suck most at Mar 10 21:07:50 graphics / gui programming Mar 10 21:07:57 cause im not that patient Mar 10 21:07:58 :-P Mar 10 21:08:29 I'm not patient at all :p Mar 10 21:08:43 what's a good game-developing language/program? Mar 10 21:08:52 c++ Mar 10 21:09:22 are you on linux? Mar 10 21:09:27 * PatrickC-Away noooo... doesn't want to learn C++ :'( Mar 10 21:09:27 and since your on windows, with notepad++, gcc w/ gdb, and mingw32 Mar 10 21:09:29 XP Mar 10 21:09:29 gimp is like, passable Mar 10 21:10:05 PatrickC-Away: if you don't want to learn => how do you want to make progress? Mar 10 21:10:06 sudo su - Mar 10 21:10:08 sure, gimp vs the full adobe photoshop isnt much of a fight Mar 10 21:10:10 oops Mar 10 21:10:19 but for free vs what, $400? Mar 10 21:10:19 sugardave: sudo -s is fine, too ;) Mar 10 21:10:29 * halfhalo IS root Mar 10 21:10:29 yay :) Mar 10 21:10:31 lol Mar 10 21:10:49 Lichtlos: thanks for the tip Mar 10 21:10:52 Lichtlos: I'm willing to learn.. its just not fun :p Mar 10 21:10:59 PatrickC-Away, seriously - go read "The C Programming Language - Second Edition" Mar 10 21:11:04 known as the K&R book Mar 10 21:11:07 sugardave: youre welcome :) Mar 10 21:11:47 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: you're a missionary of good programming style? ;) Mar 10 21:12:11 his name is even PatrickC, it's destiny, he might as well give in Mar 10 21:12:26 Lichtlos, of learning the underlying basics, and source of almost all modern programming Mar 10 21:12:39 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: you rock+ Mar 10 21:13:11 I wish my professors were thinking that way Mar 10 21:13:12 thanks, but all I really do is push people to learn to do it right the first time Mar 10 21:13:28 yeah, to many professors want to teach you java or python nowadays Mar 10 21:13:29 silent_ninja1 I have to buy that book :p Mar 10 21:13:30 its sad Mar 10 21:13:36 its dirt cheap Mar 10 21:13:41 money is something I'm in short supply of :p Mar 10 21:13:45 indeed Mar 10 21:13:49 so get the pdf Mar 10 21:13:52 its all over online Mar 10 21:14:01 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I could have agreed on c#/mono Mar 10 21:14:18 i did my c# coursework on mono in freebsd Mar 10 21:14:21 found the PDF Mar 10 21:14:23 on a bet w/ the professor Mar 10 21:14:32 i won :) Mar 10 21:14:42 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: yeah ... .net 2.0? Mar 10 21:14:46 yup Mar 10 21:14:49 :) Mar 10 21:14:56 i had a cpl platform define's, but not many Mar 10 21:15:14 to work around thinks like MS's broken strcpl functions ect Mar 10 21:15:18 things* Mar 10 21:15:31 MetaView, around ? Mar 10 21:15:34 strstr Mar 10 21:15:40 nope, we sold him on ebay Mar 10 21:16:30 and Lichtlos if you think im a stickler for it, you should meet the guy that bashed this into my head way back! Mar 10 21:16:58 SimpsonCH: yeap Mar 10 21:17:10 what is the *best* language now to code in for webOS? Mar 10 21:17:14 MetaView, dang it, and we had him believing you were sold!! Mar 10 21:17:18 JS Mar 10 21:17:19 c++ Mar 10 21:17:21 metaview: I got a question too :) Mar 10 21:17:24 :) Mar 10 21:17:30 how do you use EarWorms? Mar 10 21:17:35 I have no answers Mar 10 21:17:36 ok, well compromise - c++ / js hybrid app! Mar 10 21:17:36 I can't get it to work Mar 10 21:17:39 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I dont think of you that way. I like going to lowest layers possible; getting myself a new set of xilinx FPGAs in the coming months :) Mar 10 21:17:45 MetaView, I tried installing ubercalendar on 2.1 but it failed, interested in the patches log ? Mar 10 21:17:48 PatrickC: enter search term and then tap on the result? Mar 10 21:17:59 I get no results Mar 10 21:18:10 SimpsonCH: are you sure you have no other calendar patch installed? Mar 10 21:18:16 Lichtlos, whats the project you have in mind for em? Mar 10 21:18:21 PatrickC: what search term? Mar 10 21:18:28 brian free Mar 10 21:18:28 MetaView, ah that might be Mar 10 21:18:46 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I've got some industry measurement cards from work Mar 10 21:18:57 just want to crunch data very fast Mar 10 21:19:12 metlab to track it Mar 10 21:19:14 '? Mar 10 21:19:19 MetaView, ah the mini was installed Mar 10 21:19:25 I want a language that is pure *english* Mar 10 21:19:26 :) Mar 10 21:19:29 SimpsonCH: ok, then deinstall it Mar 10 21:19:37 "put button here, then do this" Mar 10 21:19:38 PatrickC, good luck, see ya in 75 years :) Mar 10 21:19:40 PatrickC: I got 23 videos Mar 10 21:19:43 okay, I'll try again tommorow Mar 10 21:19:47 do it Mar 10 21:19:50 PatrickC: learn pseudocode ;) Mar 10 21:19:52 MetaView, thx for the response ! Mar 10 21:19:58 hmmm. I'll uninstall then re-install Mar 10 21:20:01 bütte :) Mar 10 21:20:08 ooo Mar 10 21:20:13 I got Error: 0 Mar 10 21:20:14 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: currently, we work on something proprietary :x Mar 10 21:20:15 jelly beans Mar 10 21:20:16 PatrickC: did it download anything ? Mar 10 21:20:19 Lichtlos, last time i used any of that was for data ack in a dyno cell Mar 10 21:20:22 no Mar 10 21:20:24 its been awhile tho Mar 10 21:20:25 Error: 0? Mar 10 21:20:33 mom Mar 10 21:20:43 we had an Unholtz dickie shaker Mar 10 21:20:44 mom? lol Mar 10 21:21:32 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: well, we develop our own measurement instrument/stations Mar 10 21:21:43 but that's not my sector Mar 10 21:21:43 moment please :) Mar 10 21:22:04 what type of measurements? Mar 10 21:22:19 oh lol ok :) Mar 10 21:22:22 we use alot of lvdt's, prox sensors, rgb, and laser sensors here Mar 10 21:22:36 I found the place, the 0 is the result from the http request Mar 10 21:22:45 maybe it times out? Mar 10 21:22:49 ahh ok Mar 10 21:23:02 I'll try a fresh install Mar 10 21:23:53 do you use it on wifi? Mar 10 21:24:16 yep Mar 10 21:24:19 wifi only phone Mar 10 21:24:23 hm, very strange Mar 10 21:25:01 my preware search broke today :'( Mar 10 21:25:23 PatrickC, im sure its PEBKAC again :-P Mar 10 21:25:28 ello Mar 10 21:25:30 lol Mar 10 21:25:34 oh, everything is connected, the world might end soon Mar 10 21:25:40 hi MetaView! Mar 10 21:25:44 it gives me an error in Preware Mar 10 21:25:45 hi nyceane Mar 10 21:25:49 long time no see Mar 10 21:25:58 well, yes Mar 10 21:25:58 metaview: its a beta/web app, right? Mar 10 21:26:07 yes, is in beta feed Mar 10 21:26:24 in AppScoop, it doesn't show up... Mar 10 21:26:24 the one in the catalog isn't approved yet Mar 10 21:26:29 and will not work :) Mar 10 21:26:36 UberAppCat? Mar 10 21:26:56 I'm using the one in the catalog... Mar 10 21:27:12 lol Mar 10 21:27:55 pen is mighty Mar 10 21:28:21 I'll take the rapists for $400 Mar 10 21:30:07 so, EarWorms Beta doesn't work? Mar 10 21:31:54 fresh install worked!!! Mar 10 21:31:56 thanks Mar 10 21:34:29 bbl Mar 10 21:47:15 PatrickC-Away: no Earworm-Beta works, Earworm (unreleased for the catalog) doesn't work anymore, because youtube changed the api a bit Mar 10 21:51:54 Hello everyone! Mar 10 21:52:40 hi Tibfib Mar 10 21:52:48 howdy! Mar 10 21:54:55 haven't been able to code/get on irc all week Mar 10 21:55:08 so, productive week, then? Mar 10 21:55:13 heh Mar 10 21:55:19 no not really Mar 10 21:55:36 I was sick and so free time was taken up by doing nothing Mar 10 21:55:53 bummer...feeling better? Mar 10 21:56:01 yeah doing much better today Mar 10 21:56:08 and no school tomorrow Mar 10 21:56:10 feeling great :) Mar 10 21:56:12 woohoo! Mar 10 21:56:14 thanks Mar 10 21:56:15 sick for a whole week? Mar 10 21:56:32 that was kind a serious? Mar 10 21:56:32 starting monday Mar 10 21:56:41 so not quite a week Mar 10 21:56:48 ok Mar 10 22:01:34 Tibfib: get nirvana? Mar 10 22:02:33 haeffb_pre: heh, when? Mar 10 22:02:39 hey guys Mar 10 22:02:52 JenP is still not here =\ Mar 10 22:03:43 howdy nyceane Mar 10 22:30:54 howdy TibFib Mar 10 22:31:01 howdy! Mar 10 22:31:13 how's it goin? Mar 10 22:32:45 you feeling better? Mar 10 22:34:40 yeah feelingn great, thanks Mar 10 22:34:43 wbu? Mar 10 22:35:35 I'm really stuffy, other then that.. good! Mar 10 22:35:50 I haven't gotten a lot of coding done this week though.. Mar 10 22:36:20 this week has been more of a "catch up on school after vacation" week Mar 10 22:38:29 anyone here use OpenGL? Mar 10 22:38:42 their wiki is kinda confusing Mar 10 22:38:43 lol Mar 10 22:50:00 looking for some insight. will Synergy support LDAP Mar 10 22:54:58 hay funkatron Mar 10 22:55:04 yello Mar 10 22:55:36 how's it goinn Mar 10 22:57:23 just got a new headset Mar 10 22:57:30 BT? Mar 10 22:57:37 or for computer? Mar 10 22:57:39 no wired Mar 10 22:58:09 cool Mar 10 22:58:35 I'm trying to find some c++ coding tools Mar 10 22:58:43 herp derp Mar 10 23:00:45 should I do C# or C++ ? Mar 10 23:04:18 anyone? Mar 10 23:05:32 what other mobile OS' do you guys code for? Mar 10 23:05:54 I write JavaScript Mar 10 23:06:20 so you make apps for iOS or Android or BBerry? Mar 10 23:07:01 I use C++ and Lua for my games. Mar 10 23:07:15 luna? Mar 10 23:07:18 mostly I make desktop and web apps Mar 10 23:07:22 s/luna/lua/ Mar 10 23:07:29 how anyone know if LDAP will be supported or is anyone developing LDAP capability for synergy Mar 10 23:07:40 aavarca: I'd look and see if there are any node.js projects that integrate with LDAP...then you'd probably be able to say it would be possible Mar 10 23:07:53 LDAP would be awesome! actually Mar 10 23:08:25 PatrickC: Lua is the scripting language embedded in my C++ game engine. Mar 10 23:08:31 node.js ldap Mar 10 23:08:32 erp Mar 10 23:08:42 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=node.js+ldap Mar 10 23:08:56 well, I don't do games *yet* Mar 10 23:09:36 wow Mar 10 23:09:37 you can dev for BBerry using JS! Mar 10 23:10:44 indeed Mar 10 23:11:26 I'm probably gonna go to start coding for BBerry next (while staying ever faithful to webOS) Mar 10 23:11:45 we all slum it sometimes Mar 10 23:11:51 :) Mar 10 23:12:08 I need to get one of my apps out on *every* mobile OS I can :p Mar 10 23:14:13 * PatrickC wishes he could install OSX in VBox legally..... Mar 10 23:15:47 * PatrickC also hopes to actually hear back from Palm before next month.. :/ Mar 10 23:17:16 "legally" Mar 10 23:17:26 yes "legally" Mar 10 23:17:54 apple disallows running osx in a vm? Mar 10 23:17:58 wtf? Mar 10 23:18:02 for a church I'm not going to break the law Mar 10 23:18:14 must be installed on a Apple Branded PC Mar 10 23:18:19 :'( Mar 10 23:18:25 check their EULA section 2 Mar 10 23:18:37 no, don't own an apple product Mar 10 23:19:04 what do you mean? Mar 10 23:19:14 stupid IPKG error.... :/ Mar 10 23:19:18 I don't own an apple product, I don't need to read their eula Mar 10 23:19:32 lol Mar 10 23:20:05 I checked it, and it is in fact illegal to install OSX on anything but apple suf Mar 10 23:20:14 s/suf/stuff/ Mar 10 23:20:59 PatrickC: depends on whether the EULA would hold up, it's like an EULA on a tire saying you can only install them on a certain model car. Mar 10 23:21:04 Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.advanced-system-menus-framework.prerm 2>&1 Mar 10 23:21:04 ystemui/app/views/bar/bar-scene.html.rej Mar 10 23:21:11 what does that mean? Mar 10 23:21:45 means it can't remove that patch Mar 10 23:21:57 it means you are trying to patch something, automatic deduction for asking in the wrong forum Mar 10 23:22:15 destinal: true, but it still breaks EULA, but I still don't feel right doing it when it would be done for a church Mar 10 23:22:27 oh please Mar 10 23:22:38 what? Mar 10 23:22:50 the church also doesn't want me doing it either Mar 10 23:23:00 then why consider it? Mar 10 23:23:11 you are setting up problems when none need apply Mar 10 23:23:23 I stopped considering it once I found out it was illegal Mar 10 23:23:35 but I can hope they change it Mar 10 23:25:11 bbl time for dinner Mar 10 23:33:20 is there a PDK for linux? Mar 10 23:34:17 not from Palm. Mar 10 23:35:02 arg Mar 10 23:35:21 looking into writing a ftp app for webos using libcurl via pdk Mar 10 23:35:25 but....no pdk for linux :( Mar 10 23:35:27 we have a wiki page on how to install the PDK on Linux. Mar 10 23:35:32 and there is the WIDK as well Mar 10 23:39:51 url ? Mar 10 23:40:00 lmgtfy Mar 10 23:41:30 I'm a bit lost here... the stages are like tabs and the scenes are like pages inside tabs? (I'm getting some really weird results in variables whenever I pop the last scene and return to the first) :S Mar 10 23:44:04 so WIDK is the preferred DK? according to the wiki Mar 10 23:44:45 the link to the automated installer on the WIDK wiki page is broken Mar 10 23:48:20 lucid doesn't know what autopoint is....apt can't find it Mar 10 23:56:36 NuttyBunnyCoding: what's the problem? Mar 10 23:57:54 stages are like a box for scenes, but the scenes are stacked in the box and you can only see the top one. And each scene is its own separate entity Mar 11 00:12:08 Damn Ares, it's doing funny things, after I pop the last scene and return to the previous, the ... Mar 11 00:12:20 nevermind, I'm redeclaring a function Mar 11 00:12:21 :S Mar 11 00:12:26 my bad, sorry :) Mar 11 00:12:34 that'll do it Mar 11 01:12:21 Wrr wrr wrr. Sup? Mar 11 01:15:49 ello SineOt Mar 11 01:31:30 hmmm Mar 11 01:32:24 I'm looking at a JSON server module for Drupal, but it says it isn't going to work with PHP 5.3...couldn't I just use JSONP server module instead? Mar 11 01:32:38 sure, that's a dumb question Mar 11 01:40:59 not watching UT-OU? Mar 11 02:00:16 haeffb: any time we turn the basketball game on, they lose Mar 11 02:05:43 mmm... this is just great, has anyone tried Chrome 10 or Firefox 4 on Linux to open Ares? :@ Mar 11 02:15:12 nope Mar 11 02:15:17 i have chrome on debian Mar 11 02:28:17 does anyone know why a SDL/OpenGL PDK app would run fine on the pixie and pre2 but not the pre? -- pre displays garbage on the screen Mar 11 02:38:25 JSON server module for Drupal. Mar 11 02:40:34 wat Mar 11 02:44:12 NuttyBunny-Home: looks like FF4 doesn't work on windows for that either Mar 11 02:45:27 oh, crap, ... well, time to look for a earlier build of chrome :S the netbook is sloooooooow with firefox on Ares :( Mar 11 02:46:06 trying the oddball option now Mar 11 02:47:23 yeah, fail on opera as well Mar 11 02:55:04 ah, chromium 9 is on the ubuntu repositories... I hope it doesn't fail me :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 11 02:59:57 2011