**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 14 02:59:57 2011 Mar 14 03:00:16 carrier? Mar 14 03:00:42 Considering that this is a channel for discussing webos development, the new stuff includes two new phones announced, a new tablet announced, and a new development framework in testing. Exciting stuff for developers. Mar 14 03:00:59 Perhaps not so much for the average end-user just yet. Mar 14 03:01:52 how's it goin haeffb? Mar 14 03:02:07 haven't had a luna restart yet. Mar 14 03:02:12 so, great so far. Mar 14 03:02:36 have you used the vkb yet? Mar 14 03:02:47 use that for any luna boots you need :p Mar 14 03:03:07 are you running 2.1? Mar 14 03:04:43 yes, 2.1 on a Sprint Pre 2 Mar 14 03:05:00 * PatrickC_Pre doesn't have a pre 2 yet to sprintify Mar 14 03:05:17 how does the vkb work on the Pre2? Mar 14 03:05:34 dunno. didn't know there was one. Mar 14 03:06:01 there is on my pre+ Mar 14 03:07:08 ah, but I don't have access to your pre+ Mar 14 03:07:15 has anyone used VKB on 2.x yet? Mar 14 03:07:23 * PatrickC_Pre raises hand Mar 14 03:07:28 and? Mar 14 03:07:33 and haeffb: but you do have preware Mar 14 03:07:37 (performance?) Mar 14 03:07:42 poor Mar 14 03:07:53 locks up almost every use for me Mar 14 03:07:58 wow Mar 14 03:08:01 what device? Mar 14 03:08:04 and full boot required to fix Mar 14 03:08:08 pre+ vzw Mar 14 03:08:36 oh Mar 14 03:08:40 I have a Pre 2 VZW Mar 14 03:08:47 is it just a patch install? Mar 14 03:08:53 yep Mar 14 03:08:56 via preware Mar 14 03:09:07 okay Mar 14 03:09:08 I'm hopefully gonna get my pre2 soon Mar 14 03:09:13 I'll do it; one sec Mar 14 03:09:13 * PatrickC_Pre crosses fingers Mar 14 03:09:16 kk Mar 14 03:10:06 here's my question... why can't I see the 2.x kernels in preware even though I've got the feed loaded Mar 14 03:10:07 ? Mar 14 03:10:16 * PatrickC_Pre just found an awesome wallpaper Mar 14 03:10:41 igntnunlmtd: lets talk in #webos-internals about that :) Mar 14 03:10:55 better place for help on that Mar 14 03:11:00 ah, thanks Mar 14 03:11:06 np Mar 14 05:07:59 Hello All, Mar 14 05:08:06 You are receiving this because you signed up to be notified when our Pre2-ing (or Legacy device upgrade) services were available. You are being notified before everyone else. Mar 14 05:08:06 Well, it's now available... Mar 14 05:08:37 oops Mar 14 05:08:40 :( Mar 14 05:08:52 why i thought this was an hp.com email.. i do not know. Mar 14 05:14:17 Is it possible to get data like this: http://pastebin.com/9CJR0PK0 Mar 14 05:14:24 Sorry for lack of detail.... Mar 14 06:16:46 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Plus-AT-T-Near-Mint-Accessories-Included-/330541205124?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4cf5ca8684#ht_500wt_898 < -- good price or what ? Mar 14 06:25:42 Is it possible to have a ajax.request in one file and call it up every so often inside a different scene? Mar 14 07:22:51 Mornings swisstomcat Mar 14 07:23:33 morning hotdp Mar 14 07:23:51 any news? Mar 14 07:48:59 not really Mar 14 11:38:20 graywolf336: what you want to do is possible, but not in exactly the way you're trying to do it. Mar 14 11:41:30 * haeffb assuming you will see this when you return to keyboard... Mar 14 11:42:05 instead of doing this: var newData = Difm.parseResult(); Mar 14 11:42:37 you want to do something like: Difm.parseResult(this.gotMyNewData.bind(this)); Mar 14 11:43:54 where this.gotMyNewData is a method in your scene assistant, that contains the code for updating the list model with the new data. Passing a function like this is called a "Callback function", where you're telling Difm.parseResult what function to call when it's done. Mar 14 11:46:02 then in Difm object the inCallback is a paramater to your parseResult method: parseResult: function(inCallback) {...} Mar 14 11:46:50 then in the onSuccess of your ajax request, instead of return newData; Mar 14 11:47:20 you use inCallback(newData); Mar 14 11:48:53 and finally, you define gotMyNewData like so: ListAssistant.prototype.gotMyNewData = function (newData) {...} Mar 14 13:01:21 hi guys, i installed Eclipse plug-in and Aptana, but it seems that code completion doesnt work well, when I do "Your First App" tutorial, and I write this.controller.pushScene("menu"); in stage-assistant.js I dont get any suggestions after this. , is it ok? Mar 14 13:01:45 what plugin? Mar 14 13:03:12 morning all Mar 14 13:03:52 webOS Plug-in for Eclipse Mar 14 13:04:13 what about it? Mar 14 13:04:46 hay silent_ninja1 Mar 14 13:05:01 mornin Mar 14 13:05:35 mornin Mar 14 13:05:36 hows it goin? Mar 14 13:06:17 * PatrickC_School wishes he was still sleeping Mar 14 13:06:38 just got out of an 8a mon meeting Mar 14 13:06:44 so looking up!! Mar 14 13:06:50 what did you dream ;) Mar 14 13:06:56 lol Mar 14 13:06:57 should I get suggestion after this. in this exampe or it is ok that i dont get? Mar 14 13:07:09 its ok you dont Mar 14 13:07:27 there is a 3 party plugin that uses mojo to give more help Mar 14 13:07:32 silent_ninja1: what time zone? Mar 14 13:07:38 est Mar 14 13:07:49 ahh Mar 14 13:07:51 I'm cst Mar 14 13:07:57 i see that Mar 14 13:08:11 my body still hasn't adjusted to the time change (dst) Mar 14 13:08:18 lol Mar 14 13:08:28 i had a pretty messed up weekend anyway Mar 14 13:08:45 well, I'm off to do some school Mar 14 13:08:49 sounds fun :) Mar 14 13:08:52 bbl Mar 14 13:09:15 what's this "school" you talk about? Mar 14 13:09:25 i must be too old :) Mar 14 13:12:03 swisstomcat, or a pre-school dropout :-P Mar 14 13:12:07 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 ducks Mar 14 13:12:10 probably Mar 14 13:12:14 :) Mar 14 13:12:46 heh Mar 14 13:13:00 get off my lawn Mar 14 13:13:39 haha Mar 14 13:13:46 * hotdp does not miss school at all Mar 14 13:13:53 the paycheck is to small! Mar 14 13:13:59 lol Mar 14 13:14:01 :D Mar 14 13:14:14 the paycheck's are like a vacuum Mar 14 13:14:18 negative! Mar 14 13:14:43 depends if your parents pay for school ... Mar 14 13:16:11 'majority of ppl dont get that lucky Mar 14 13:17:04 i need a better way to run a few thousand db queries all at once :-P Mar 14 13:18:30 it takes almost 2 minutes to generate this report :/ Mar 14 14:13:17 cwayne! hay Mar 14 14:13:59 PatrickC-School: yo Mar 14 14:14:12 how's it goin? Mar 14 14:15:19 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 kicks PatrickC-School Mar 14 14:15:25 teacher says pay attention!! Mar 14 14:15:57 oww Mar 14 14:15:59 ok Mar 14 14:16:09 * PatrickC-School lurking mode activated Mar 14 14:17:06 hahaha Mar 14 14:17:23 :) Mar 14 14:17:30 * cwayne is glad hes at work so SiLeNt_NiNjA1 wont kick him Mar 14 14:17:44 nah, ill leave that to your boss Mar 14 14:17:52 who is right behind you, looking over your shoulder Mar 14 14:18:04 * PatrickC-School silent_ninja1 no longer sees him... *stealth* mode activated ... Mar 14 14:18:13 how's it goin cwayne Mar 14 14:18:45 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: boss WFH mondays lolol Mar 14 14:18:55 haha Mar 14 14:19:06 im at work as well Mar 14 14:19:32 but i have my own office, so nobody can look over my shoulder Mar 14 14:19:54 and my boss is pretty laid back Mar 14 14:21:43 this is annoying :\ trying to debug the utility for automatically pulling all the purchase orders and job number on a std part order from a customer, the budget's arnt being updated Mar 14 14:23:45 hate that Mar 14 14:25:12 basically, im taking a custom form, gathering all the data for the parts from a db table, then passing ajax requests to each section thatd need to be used manually directly to the process functions, then pulling the records affected to gather the data for the next step Mar 14 14:25:51 everything works except the budget is always 0. The quoted direct costs are right, which is the same number, it should just be copied over to the other db table Mar 14 14:26:23 so now im pulling all the param arrays from each ajax req to see where its losing the budget Mar 14 14:26:37 thats odd Mar 14 14:28:08 * PatrickC-School wishes patches didn't need a luna to apply Mar 14 14:29:58 why would they need a luna to apply? Mar 14 14:30:18 patches always need a luna-restart to apply Mar 14 14:30:20 my dog is lamed luna(tic) Mar 14 14:30:26 ahhhh luna RESTART Mar 14 14:30:29 bug diff there :) Mar 14 14:30:33 big* Mar 14 14:30:38 yep lol Mar 14 14:31:09 lol Mar 14 14:34:29 brb Mar 14 14:34:33 gotta reboot Mar 14 14:34:57 dont get trapped in the game grid!! Mar 14 14:35:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot :) Mar 14 14:39:33 back Mar 14 14:40:27 aha, it seems that even though I have asynch set to false, its proceeding before completing the prior request Mar 14 14:40:42 therefore it dosnt have all the data to calculate the proper budget Mar 14 14:40:47 annoying thing Mar 14 14:43:45 blargh Mar 14 14:49:28 blargh, stupid mondays Mar 14 14:53:34 touchpad for $499 in june Mar 14 14:55:04 * PatrickC wants a dev program for it :) Mar 14 14:55:06 swisstomcat link? Mar 14 14:58:36 i see it Mar 14 14:58:39 hmm Mar 14 14:58:41 precentral Mar 14 14:58:45 what do we say? Mar 14 14:59:05 sounds good Mar 14 14:59:09 i'd buy it Mar 14 14:59:17 if it's available in europe an not 499 euros Mar 14 14:59:37 yeah it seems a bit rude when that happens Mar 14 14:59:53 i just fel like.. Mar 14 14:59:59 its the same price like all the other Mar 14 15:00:07 wouldnt it be good to have a very good price Mar 14 15:01:55 I think $50 is a good price Mar 14 15:02:08 or $55 at most Mar 14 15:05:39 what do you think of my price point? Mar 14 15:06:01 I'll take one Mar 14 15:06:28 too cheap Mar 14 15:06:38 how much is ipad2 wife ? Mar 14 15:06:47 it is never too cheap :) Mar 14 15:06:50 id expect it to have a 10yr verizon contract tied to it for $50 Mar 14 15:06:59 that sounds better Mar 14 15:07:14 look up verizon's price compared to anyone else, then say that Mar 14 15:07:26 then look up verizon's lobbying against net neutrality and the fcc Mar 14 15:07:51 things are different here in europe Mar 14 15:08:08 yeah, no carrier subsidies iirc Mar 14 15:08:11 I would think $75 with contract with sprint Mar 14 15:08:19 they have carrier subsidies Mar 14 15:08:30 but also a lot of phone are sold unlocked Mar 14 15:09:05 w/ verizon and sprint both on cdma instead of gsm networks, its a little harder to sell an unlocked phone Mar 14 15:09:13 since itll still only work w/ half the carriers Mar 14 15:38:15 silent_ninja1: how's it goin? Mar 14 15:39:33 anyone have any experience with awstats/jawstats? Mar 14 15:40:06 nope Mar 14 15:40:47 besides going over the generated reports for data? Mar 14 15:40:59 i have awstats on a cpl servers Mar 14 15:42:36 hrmpf Mar 14 15:45:59 its supposed to be looking at access.log, but all the datas in access.log.1 Mar 14 15:46:01 weird Mar 14 15:59:13 cwayne, is there a script rolling over the log file? Mar 14 15:59:36 theres definitely log rotation, but the access.log is just.. empty Mar 14 16:08:26 bbl Mar 14 16:09:36 * PatrickC wishes people who bought his apps would review them :/ Mar 14 16:10:10 cwayne, ls -l, whats the mod date on access.log and log.1? Mar 14 16:10:28 patrickC, youve scarred them for life, they ran off a cliff screaming Mar 14 16:10:34 :) Mar 14 16:10:39 * PatrickC probably did Mar 14 16:10:59 can Ares apps be exported as a .zip file, and then taken over as SDK apps? Mar 14 16:12:02 the ipk file is a zip w/ a diff extension Mar 14 16:12:05 so just rename it Mar 14 16:12:07 * haeffb is absolutely loving the Pre2 on Sprint. Wish Palm would have released this device a year ago. Mar 14 16:12:21 i agree haeffb Mar 14 16:12:34 drains battery a bit to quick tho Mar 14 16:12:43 but it has all the necessary files? Mar 14 16:12:44 even my seido extended battery dosnt last a full day anymore Mar 14 16:12:52 patrickC, yup - all there Mar 14 16:12:55 like html files not chrome Mar 14 16:12:55 :) Mar 14 16:12:56 yay Mar 14 16:12:58 ya, but seems like I'm doing so much more with it. Mar 14 16:13:28 chrome files are still there, but you can modify them by hand as you desire Mar 14 16:13:40 like you modify html files? Mar 14 16:13:44 yup Mar 14 16:14:22 awesome!! Mar 14 16:15:50 * PatrickC hopes to hear back from Adela soon Mar 14 16:23:14 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/2-weeks-to-go-in-our-what-would-you-do-for-a-pre-2-contest/ Mar 14 16:24:46 guy on the radio this morning is getting a justin bieber tramp stamp in order to get free tattoos for life Mar 14 16:25:06 he will be tortured on so many levels Mar 14 16:25:19 wow Mar 14 16:26:22 so patrickC, can you top that in order to get a pre 2? :-P Mar 14 16:26:32 nope Mar 14 16:26:35 hi, do you know any alternatives to mojo framework? Mar 14 16:26:35 not at all Mar 14 16:26:41 Enyo Mar 14 16:26:42 ? Mar 14 16:26:51 kubson, as far as current, you can use any framework Mar 14 16:27:00 and use mojo only for device interaction Mar 14 16:27:15 or phonegap for cross-platform support Mar 14 16:27:45 enyo is still only in the early access program, and not supported on commercial devices yet Mar 14 16:27:45 any javascript framework is an alternative to mojo Mar 14 16:27:46 or silent_ninja1 for everything :p Mar 14 16:31:15 alright, lunch is here :) Mar 14 16:32:18 is there a straight-forward way to dump the complete dom tree html-style? It could aide in styling the different components. Mar 14 16:32:22 his visit was short and to the point eh? Mar 14 16:32:50 i just go over it in firebug Mar 14 16:32:54 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: LoL, true Mar 14 16:33:02 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: how do you get the source in firebug? Mar 14 16:33:36 just load it up in firefox, right click and hit inspect element Mar 14 16:33:41 itll zoom to it Mar 14 16:33:43 where's the SDK saved in ubuntu ? Mar 14 16:33:50 haeffb: /opt/... Mar 14 16:34:01 haeffb: PalmSDK/current/ I think Mar 14 16:34:07 shhh!!! its /dev/null Mar 14 16:34:08 :) Mar 14 16:34:22 thanks Mar 14 16:34:34 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: you mean you only load the source without the mojo elements set up? Mar 14 16:35:17 madnificent, under ares, it gets everything, dunno about w/o it Mar 14 16:35:37 * madnificent wants it for normal programming, doesn't use Ares Mar 14 16:36:15 have to ask sugardave on that one, i dont do a whole lot of mojo dev myself Mar 14 16:37:43 he isnt here, so maybe he made the swat team? Mar 14 16:37:57 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 hopes he didnt apply for the wrong swat team :/ Mar 14 16:40:11 lol /dev/null Mar 14 16:40:24 :) Mar 14 16:40:58 haeffb, have you found the ubuntu bash shell russian roulette yet? :-D Mar 14 16:42:11 [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "You live" Mar 14 16:42:23 i am NOT responsible if you actually run that Mar 14 16:42:31 read : DO NOT RUN!!!!****&&&&^^^^^ Mar 14 16:42:38 :-P Mar 14 16:45:28 omg, nobody run that Mar 14 16:46:37 sugardave- that depends on what dir they are running that command and if they are root or not Mar 14 16:46:51 err .. nvm i see the / but they still have to be root Mar 14 16:47:06 yeah, still not good :_ Mar 14 16:50:07 :-P Mar 14 16:50:22 i put warnings and disclaimers Mar 14 16:50:32 if they still run it, they deserved it imo :-D Mar 14 16:50:33 OMFG! I RAN IT! Mar 14 16:50:45 did you live? Mar 14 16:51:04 nope .. i don't program but i know what rm -rf / is :D Mar 14 16:51:08 madnificent: you should be able to use the standalone ares debugger even on a non-ares app (I hear it has good DOM inspection), or you can try out emulator host mode and use a webkit browser + its developer console, etc. Mar 14 16:51:31 honestly, i only know 1 person who ran it and asked what it was supposed to do Mar 14 16:51:33 my brother Mar 14 16:51:40 ran it twice, and lived both times Mar 14 16:51:42 :-P Mar 14 16:51:44 sugardave: hmm Mar 14 16:52:24 so sugardave are you sure you applied for the right swat team? Mar 14 16:52:38 yep, in a holding pattern for now Mar 14 16:52:54 sugardave: 'emulator host mode' Mar 14 16:52:57 i see, i was gonna offer to loan you some firearms and night vision goggles :) Mar 14 16:53:01 sugardave: for webos 2 only? Mar 14 16:53:02 heh Mar 14 16:53:19 madnificent: yeah, basically it's a ssh tunnel to port 8080 on your emu Mar 14 16:53:30 madnificent: no, it works in 1.4.x Mar 14 16:53:38 * madnificent googles for emulator host mode Mar 14 16:54:49 madnificent: something like this (after your emu is started of course) Mar 14 16:54:50 ssh -p 5522 -L 5581:localhost:8080 root@localhost Mar 14 16:54:54 will set up the tunnel Mar 14 16:54:57 sugardave: Yeah, I saw it. Mar 14 16:55:08 * madnificent knows tunnels, didn't know the port :) Mar 14 16:55:11 then you point your webkit at localhost:5581/Apps Mar 14 16:55:14 cool Mar 14 16:55:15 didn't even know that that'd work :) Mar 14 16:55:27 sugardave: I'm still a CS student, I should at least know something :P Mar 14 16:55:30 it's hit or miss depending on what you are doing Mar 14 16:55:44 like webviews don't work too great Mar 14 16:55:53 and heavy ajax might fail Mar 14 16:56:36 madnificent, only if we dont run rm -rf /dev/brain Mar 14 16:56:37 * madnificent installs midori and hopes it will somewhat work Mar 14 16:57:16 and i told ya sugardave would have the answer :) Mar 14 16:57:17 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: that'd be rm -Rf /dev/cyborg/._palm.has-crazy-namespaces/eu.madnificent.cyborg.me/ Mar 14 16:57:28 sugardave ftw! Mar 14 16:57:36 haha Mar 14 16:57:38 sweet Mar 14 16:59:43 doh.. Mar 14 17:00:12 forgot to make sure i had a full tank of gas when i left the dealer.. didnt realize until i was 20miles away that it was on E.. and requires premium :'( Mar 14 17:00:32 youch Mar 14 17:00:39 theres an extra $50 Mar 14 17:00:42 indeed Mar 14 17:00:56 the dealer ran rm-rf /dev/gastank Mar 14 17:00:56 i put 30 in and it was slightly about half :P Mar 14 17:01:05 hey! where'd all my files go?!?!?!?! Mar 14 17:01:10 shit, it's pi day Mar 14 17:01:22 and pay the mortgage day :s Mar 14 17:01:37 there a restaurant near here, pi cafe Mar 14 17:02:14 haeffb, did you get the bullet? :-P Mar 14 17:02:36 looks like it's all gone. Two years of webos development. gone. Mar 14 17:02:47 wish I would have made a backup. Mar 14 17:02:52 :( Mar 14 17:03:45 rstudio to the rescue? Mar 14 17:03:47 :) Mar 14 17:03:58 atleast my first payment isnt until 4/26 Mar 14 17:06:48 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: lol at your russian roullette Mar 14 17:07:46 what happened haeffb?????? Mar 14 17:08:17 patrickC he lost at russian roulette Mar 14 17:08:26 bang! Mar 14 17:08:41 maybe I'll start over as an iPad developer Mar 14 17:08:53 no, seriously lol Mar 14 17:08:55 haeffb: don't make me cry in this channel Mar 14 17:09:05 dawm: lucky dog...but I'm doing well after the last refinance, able to add about 1/3 p&i to every payment :) Mar 14 17:09:14 will the larger version be called the MaxiPad? Mar 14 17:09:44 my payment went up like $39, im pretty sure insurance went up, and since i have to run premium, cost of gas went up Mar 14 17:09:47 and the smaller the iTouch + Mar 14 17:09:54 oh and its like 14mpg city, 22 hwy Mar 14 17:10:08 im screwed :P Mar 14 17:10:17 less partying :) Mar 14 17:10:38 but i got an awesome tire warranty Mar 14 17:10:58 5 years , unlimited milage, no deductible. any flat, hole, blow out, bent rim ..etc covered :D Mar 14 17:11:03 what kinda car did you finally get? Mar 14 17:11:11 2006 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Mar 14 17:11:17 nice Mar 14 17:11:53 now, if you can just figure out how to eat tires... Mar 14 17:11:55 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 finds one of those "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign" stickers and pastes it on dawm's new car Mar 14 17:12:02 it'll look REAL nice sitting in the driveway when gas goes to $8 / gallon Mar 14 17:12:05 im trying to help japan rebuild Mar 14 17:12:22 dawm: too soon? Mar 14 17:12:29 and dawm is riding public transpo Mar 14 17:12:35 lol Mar 14 17:12:56 sugardave: seems to error out when searching for files :) Mar 14 17:13:43 heh, yeah Mar 14 17:13:53 like I said, some things don't work too good :) Mar 14 17:14:26 debugging webOS apps...always an adventure Mar 14 17:14:48 yes it is Mar 14 17:15:10 true Mar 14 17:15:25 at least I'm having fun with the platform so far :) Mar 14 17:15:32 yep Mar 14 17:15:48 * cwayne just bought a pre- for $20 on ebay Mar 14 17:15:59 sweet Mar 14 17:16:17 AllTechWarehouse? Mar 14 17:16:42 i bought a pre- off ebay for $20 too, missing power button, perfect for another sprint plus'ing Mar 14 17:16:53 alltechwarehouse for me Mar 14 17:17:15 alltechwarehouse yep Mar 14 17:17:36 gonna need it for my pre2 frankenpre Mar 14 17:17:37 lols Mar 14 17:17:39 I got two from them a couple weeks ago. One was messed up physically (scratched, broken casing) Mar 14 17:17:44 The other was almost perfect Mar 14 17:17:57 cwayne: LOVE my frankenpre2 Mar 14 17:18:10 haeffb: yeah? was it easy? Mar 14 17:18:34 nice when i bought this one with the missing power button i was also trying to get another that had a cracked screen, i ended up getting mine for $20 while the bid for the broken screen one went up to $45 ! Mar 14 17:18:36 practice disassembly/reassembly Mar 14 17:19:04 the keyboard bezel tabs were a pita to figure out. But they're easy now that I've done it Mar 14 17:19:07 pretty easy, the keyboard tabs take a little practice, but once you figure it out, it's super easy Mar 14 17:19:28 My two went for $7.50 and $8.50 Mar 14 17:19:50 must have been before the frankenPre2 process became so easy a caveman could do it Mar 14 17:19:55 less demand Mar 14 17:20:12 haeffb: yeah, there seems to be alot of demand now.. Mar 14 17:20:32 * haeffb wishes I were that good at timing the stock market Mar 14 17:20:59 IT NEEDS TO BE TOMORROW Mar 14 17:21:31 somewhat cryptic. which "IT?" Mar 14 17:22:06 the all-encompassing general it Mar 14 17:22:42 deep. Mar 14 17:22:42 lol Mar 14 17:26:33 welcome back spaz man Mar 14 17:26:43 herp derp! Mar 14 17:27:20 lolol Mar 14 17:27:23 * sugardave hates on OAuth some more. Mar 14 17:27:31 doit Mar 14 17:27:35 * cwayne has rage face smileys, the one for derp is pretty funny Mar 14 17:28:30 funkatron: I never got the JSON "server" service to work, but I got JSONP Mar 14 17:28:46 oh that drupal thing? Mar 14 17:28:49 I'm such a jerk Mar 14 17:28:49 yeah Mar 14 17:29:02 it's pretty slick...if I can get oauth to work too :) Mar 14 17:34:52 * PatrickC needs to get a twitter Mar 14 17:37:18 false. Mar 14 17:38:31 true Mar 14 17:38:48 ferlse Mar 14 17:38:54 you need a spaz Mar 14 17:38:59 status.getspaz.com Mar 14 17:39:29 cool funkatron Mar 14 17:39:41 so what are twitter devs going to do now that they are telling ppl not to make clients anymore? Mar 14 17:39:45 I have the two-way Twitter bridge installed Mar 14 17:40:07 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I'm putting most of my effort client-side into better statusnet support Mar 14 17:40:09 my twitter and indenti.ca usernames do not match Mar 14 17:40:49 they basically sunk alot of ppl in one foul swoop eh? Mar 14 17:45:28 funkatron: what does that site do if I sign up with my openID? Mar 14 17:45:40 does that make you a twitter? Mar 14 17:45:43 I'm confused Mar 14 17:45:58 "does that make you a twitter?" Mar 14 17:46:02 I don't know how to answer that. Mar 14 17:46:08 lol Mar 14 17:46:09 what does it do? Mar 14 17:46:11 hahahahaa Mar 14 17:46:18 I'm new to openid Mar 14 17:46:25 lol Mar 14 17:46:41 twitter in like bird PatrickC ? Mar 14 17:46:55 like in twitter.com :p Mar 14 17:47:45 so you want to sign up with openid? Mar 14 17:47:52 it's just another option to authenticate with Mar 14 17:47:56 I *did* Mar 14 17:48:01 okay. Mar 14 17:48:10 maybe you should ask more specific questions 8) Mar 14 17:48:29 what is status.getspaz.com? and what does it do? lol Mar 14 17:48:47 I htink the text at the footer explains pretty decently. Mar 14 17:49:31 so, its like twitter? Mar 14 17:50:03 yeah Mar 14 17:50:09 ah ok Mar 14 17:50:17 so think of Twitter as, say, blogger.com Mar 14 17:50:24 and think of StatusNet as Wordpress Mar 14 17:50:33 I installed my own copy of StatusNet Mar 14 17:50:48 Identi.ca is the largest public site running statusnet Mar 14 17:51:37 now I'm confused Mar 14 17:51:50 should I have gotten a status.net account instead of an identi.ca one? Mar 14 17:52:02 * PatrickC has never seen sugardave confused Mar 14 17:52:04 no Mar 14 17:52:10 sugardave: you just can if you want Mar 14 17:52:15 I see Mar 14 17:52:18 they're independent systems, but they can interop Mar 14 17:52:23 funkatron, just run while you still can Mar 14 17:52:25 :-P Mar 14 17:52:28 hahah Mar 14 17:52:48 like you can subscribe to a user on *my* system from identi.ca Mar 14 17:52:56 and vice-versa Mar 14 17:53:11 okay, that's pretty cool Mar 14 17:53:18 can I make this more confusing by involving open-id? Mar 14 17:53:26 Loudergood: yes Mar 14 17:54:03 good morning Mar 14 17:54:20 good afternoon Mar 14 17:54:21 morning Mar 14 17:54:31 well... afternoon :p Mar 14 17:54:40 :) Mar 14 17:54:47 didn't realize it was 1PM here :p Mar 14 17:55:04 2pm! Mar 14 17:55:07 I'm looking for testers for an upcoming release of my game... the emulator isn't enough unfortunately :/ Mar 14 17:55:13 it's a small solitaire game Mar 14 17:55:19 I'd need quite detailed report Mar 14 17:55:23 anyone interested ? Mar 14 17:55:23 * PatrickC will test!! Mar 14 17:56:10 "Samsung Galaxy Tab. The PC has evolved" Mar 14 17:56:11 gret :) Mar 14 17:56:20 when did the galaxy tab become a PC? Mar 14 17:57:23 sugardave: http://status.net/wiki/Ostatus Mar 14 17:57:33 like when fish became amphibians? Mar 14 18:07:07 warpdesign_, if you want nitpicking, i can hand it to my wife :) Mar 14 18:08:11 i might have to use zcorder and just record an hour or 2 of complaining and send that over if its in to early of a beta stage Mar 14 18:08:12 :-P Mar 14 18:08:33 lol Mar 14 18:08:39 or use Voice Memos :) Mar 14 18:11:08 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: could be interesting yes ) Mar 14 18:11:15 voice memos would segfault w/ a cant take it anymore fault Mar 14 18:11:35 how come? Mar 14 18:11:40 it works/looks awesome Mar 14 18:11:43 The voice dial is very crappy for the danish language :S Mar 14 18:12:10 then learn english :p Mar 14 18:14:37 patrickC itll crash w/ a revolver to head fault if you complain non stop for hrs :-P Mar 14 18:14:56 lol Mar 14 18:15:24 well warpdesign_ just drop me a url, or dcc an ipk, or w/e and ill let you know Mar 14 18:15:46 between a 1.4.5 pre- that shes on and the pre2 2.1 that im on, we can give some varied info Mar 14 18:15:59 or any of my misc dev pre- / pre+'s Mar 14 18:16:20 how many do you have? Mar 14 18:16:49 6 total devices Mar 14 18:17:18 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: jealous Mar 14 18:17:31 haha Mar 14 18:17:48 wanna share? Mar 14 18:17:53 got both my and her pre- on sprint cheap w/ the contract renewal Mar 14 18:18:00 got a pre+ from the free dev device program Mar 14 18:18:04 pre2 from nyc dev day Mar 14 18:18:12 an extra pre- and pre+ from CL Mar 14 18:19:05 I got 1 devices (3 if you include my dad's) Mar 14 18:19:14 and about to have 3 (or 4) Mar 14 18:19:16 i currently carry around 2 of em, a pre- stock w/ 1.4.5 and my frankenpre2 Mar 14 18:19:33 I carry 2 Mar 14 18:19:40 pre+ 2.1 and pixi Mar 14 18:19:40 wait Mar 14 18:19:46 you have 1 devices Mar 14 18:19:47 what? Mar 14 18:19:49 but you carry 2? Mar 14 18:19:53 I have 2 Mar 14 18:20:19 ah - now it makes sense :) Mar 14 18:20:28 I ment "I got 2 devices (3 if you include my dad's)" :) Mar 14 18:20:44 s/1/2 Mar 14 18:20:49 yep Mar 14 18:21:47 * PatrickC is anxiously waiting for adela to email Mar 14 18:22:04 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 pays off adela to wait a week Mar 14 18:22:43 * PatrickC already paid her to not wait :p Mar 14 18:23:48 * cwayne adds to SiLeNt_NiNjA1s fund Mar 14 18:24:36 * PatrickC pays devmarketing to wait a week to respond to cwayne Mar 14 18:24:45 PatrickC the problem is the names Mar 14 18:24:49 not my englisg Mar 14 18:24:51 english Mar 14 18:24:54 lol Mar 14 18:24:58 lololol Mar 14 18:25:06 spelling on those names part of it hotdp? Mar 14 18:25:07 :) Mar 14 18:28:13 webOS needs more comercials Mar 14 18:28:33 when the pre3 / touchpad come out, it will get em Mar 14 18:28:34 it currently has like none Mar 14 18:28:36 so, duh Mar 14 18:28:42 wp7, iOS, Android all have tons of commercial, webOS, has none Mar 14 18:28:50 i doubt theyll market such old hardware at this point Mar 14 18:29:03 they can marker the touchpad Mar 14 18:29:10 s/marker/market Mar 14 18:29:18 not without a firm release data / price Mar 14 18:29:24 veer Mar 14 18:29:26 pre3 Mar 14 18:29:28 public will demand it as soon as they see the first commercial Mar 14 18:29:29 anything Mar 14 18:29:34 "Coming Soon" Mar 14 18:29:45 public dosnt buy coming soon Mar 14 18:29:47 "in the coming months" Mar 14 18:29:49 :) Mar 14 18:29:53 they ignore it and go to what they can put their hands on Mar 14 18:30:25 if they are interested, and cant find the release date within 10min looking, they move on Mar 14 18:31:00 webos needs more skype app Mar 14 18:31:06 :( Mar 14 18:31:22 * PatrickC thinks torchie should make it :) Mar 14 18:32:13 * cwayne wants a touchpad Mar 14 18:32:18 the api isn't open is it Mar 14 18:32:19 think theyll do dev devices for that Mar 14 18:32:27 torchie: dont believe so Mar 14 18:32:33 i doubt it, probably dev discounts tho Mar 14 18:32:40 cwayne: hope so Mar 14 18:32:48 after how much of a bust in UX android tablets are, I'd prefer touchpad + rear facing camera Mar 14 18:33:08 dev discounts == close enough for me Mar 14 18:33:08 lol Mar 14 18:33:23 is there a doc on adding exhibition mode to apps ? is it still under nda ? Mar 14 18:33:53 infiniteloop: NDA still Mar 14 18:35:02 (if I figure the howto) can I submit a app with exhibition mode ? Mar 14 18:35:44 if you are whitelisted Mar 14 18:35:48 InfiniteLoop, email pdc@palm.com and request access to the EA program Mar 14 18:36:24 since youll need the 2.1 sdk to do anything with it Mar 14 18:36:28 and that isnt public yet Mar 14 18:36:39 what is the state of enyo? Mar 14 18:36:47 NDA Mar 14 18:36:49 thanks guys Mar 14 18:36:56 see above torchie :) Mar 14 18:36:59 so there are people developing with it then? Mar 14 18:37:12 possibly Mar 14 18:37:15 :p Mar 14 18:37:18 lol Mar 14 18:37:22 * PatrickC whistles Mar 14 18:37:23 request EA access, and youll get some info Mar 14 18:37:26 NO THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH Mar 14 18:39:06 how hard is HTML5 audio to add to an app? Mar 14 18:40:15 as hard as doing a new Audio('bla.wav') and a call to play() :) Mar 14 18:40:32 that's what I thought lol Mar 14 18:40:48 right now, I can't, actually can't, do HTML5 audio in my app Mar 14 18:41:38 your app jumps off your pre and beats you to death if you try? Mar 14 18:41:58 I don't have a working audio link Mar 14 18:42:04 its an online radio app Mar 14 18:42:32 and? Mar 14 18:42:42 patrickC VS pandora... ROUND 1...FIGHT!!! Mar 14 18:42:57 its only one radio station :p Mar 14 18:43:15 call the app patrickC Mar 14 18:43:20 pandora wins, first round TKO!!! Mar 14 18:43:32 man you guys ever hit up that patrickC in the webos app catalog Mar 14 18:43:35 now that's a hot app Mar 14 18:43:57 I'm confused :p Mar 14 18:44:10 patrickC thats normal Mar 14 18:44:16 yep Mar 14 18:44:33 lol Mar 14 18:44:55 hmm Mar 14 18:45:04 open rec tennis at 6 AM every day Mar 14 18:45:09 its all ready Mar 14 18:45:26 all I need is a working like (and email) and the app is submitted Mar 14 18:45:28 torchie, plan to start off your day smacking balls around? Mar 14 18:45:37 ... Mar 14 18:45:37 o_0 Mar 14 18:45:42 not just smacking balls Mar 14 18:45:44 but causing a Mar 14 18:45:45 ... Mar 14 18:45:46 ... Mar 14 18:45:47 ... Mar 14 18:45:48 racket. Mar 14 18:45:57 haha Mar 14 18:46:13 you guys kill me Mar 14 18:46:15 you asked for that one :-P Mar 14 18:49:22 i think you offended them. Mar 14 18:49:28 lol Mar 14 18:49:31 probably Mar 14 18:49:39 all this talk of balls, and smackin them Mar 14 18:50:12 notice the worlds infatuation with smacking balls Mar 14 18:50:14 golf Mar 14 18:50:16 baseball Mar 14 18:50:20 tennis Mar 14 18:50:27 field hockey Mar 14 18:50:35 the list goes on! Mar 14 18:50:48 even in so many other sports, people just playing with their balls, all day long! Mar 14 18:51:04 football, basketball, soccer Mar 14 18:51:17 well if you play with your balls long enough you'll be in the physical condition that makes the opposite (or same?) sex want to play with them too Mar 14 18:51:23 d'ohohohohohohohoOHOHOHOHOHOH Mar 14 18:51:29 shit just got real. Mar 14 18:52:01 * PatrickC ohno Mar 14 18:52:11 haha - ouch Mar 14 18:52:12 :-P Mar 14 18:54:07 * PatrickC needs to learn how to do cookies Mar 14 18:54:08 ShadeS, run while you still can, its gotten crazy in here!! Mar 14 18:54:29 patrickCjust take out of the plastic, put on a sheet and bake @ 350f for 15min Mar 14 18:54:42 lol Mar 14 18:55:05 in all seriousness, cookies arnt that hard Mar 14 18:55:06 * PatrickC might try F105 again Mar 14 18:55:17 i just haven't set them up yet Mar 14 18:55:21 (correctly Mar 14 18:55:34 just look at your types, you can pass info view get, post, or cookie storage Mar 14 18:55:42 get / post are single use, where cookies persist Mar 14 18:55:55 accessed the same way essentially in your code Mar 14 18:55:56 and then make a default cookie Mar 14 18:56:06 and feed it to cookie monster Mar 14 18:56:07 http://ekstrabladet.dk/nationen/article1519102.ece lol... see the video Mar 14 18:56:16 I also need to learn how to do dashboard Mar 14 18:56:27 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e9_1300102958 is the orginal Mar 14 18:56:38 define dashboard Mar 14 18:56:50 dashboard stages? Mar 14 18:56:54 PatrickC: i code the apps for the chaos computer club events. sorry for the late answer, had a friend visiting me yesterday. Mar 14 18:57:07 PatrickC: just did them the other day, not too bad Mar 14 18:57:09 PatrickC: yes, i applied for, it arrived last week (dev phone) Mar 14 18:57:19 ok cool leiru Mar 14 18:57:30 and for the dashboard: play/stop audio Mar 14 19:00:09 what Mar 14 19:00:30 cwayne: what did your dashboard consist of? Mar 14 19:01:49 patrickC isnt that somewhat specific to your app? Mar 14 19:01:59 what does your app need on its controlling scene? Mar 14 19:02:08 well, don't a lot of apps use that? Mar 14 19:02:17 play/stop the audio Mar 14 19:02:37 PatrickC mines just a update notification, so clicking it opens the app catalog Mar 14 19:02:48 oh ok Mar 14 19:17:11 how do you build apps with the PDK? there is like no files in there... Mar 14 19:17:21 with science Mar 14 19:18:28 its a binary, you write c/c++ and compile it Mar 14 19:19:13 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: like i said, science. Mar 14 19:19:30 c/c++ :'( Mar 14 19:19:37 don't feel like learning them yet Mar 14 19:19:39 *yet* Mar 14 19:20:01 underachiever Mar 14 19:20:14 I like JS Mar 14 19:20:24 I need to learn Java next Mar 14 19:20:35 OH GOD WHY Mar 14 19:20:52 android Mar 14 19:21:01 need to make an app for them Mar 14 19:21:05 dude Mar 14 19:21:07 phegap? Mar 14 19:21:11 phonegap* Mar 14 19:21:16 gah Mar 14 19:21:18 java? Mar 14 19:21:24 KILL IT WITH FIRE Mar 14 19:21:31 can I use JS with phonegap? Mar 14 19:21:36 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 burns java Mar 14 19:21:37 I haven't used it before Mar 14 19:21:38 java? are you crazy? Mar 14 19:21:47 OMG he said the J word! Mar 14 19:21:49 I see youall like Java :p Mar 14 19:21:56 PatrickC: the sense I got when I read about it is you can use pretty much all standard webdev stuff Mar 14 19:22:02 you just can't use mojo specific stuff Mar 14 19:22:04 in the same way we like prostate exams, yes Mar 14 19:22:06 as much as i'd like a sandpaper handjob. Mar 14 19:22:17 java isn't awful, but there's a lot that's better Mar 14 19:22:24 I'll check out phonegap Mar 14 19:22:25 (hint: not) Mar 14 19:22:42 what about Objective C? Mar 14 19:22:45 summatusmentis, you havnt worked w/ the inheritance structure and variable scope between classes much have you? Mar 14 19:22:46 the java sytax is very C-esque, so makes code wordier than it needs to be Mar 14 19:22:46 :\ Mar 14 19:22:50 do youall like that? Mar 14 19:22:57 objective c is apples idea of c trying to be java Mar 14 19:22:59 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: not much, no. Some Mar 14 19:23:25 well, I need to learn objective c, unless phonegap also does iOS development Mar 14 19:23:35 look into airplay Mar 14 19:23:44 PatrickC: it claims it does Mar 14 19:23:44 * PatrickC googles Mar 14 19:23:48 itll do ios, android, and webos pdk stuff Mar 14 19:25:25 PatrickC: there's a series of blog posts on the palm dev website about using phonegab Mar 14 19:25:29 phonegap* Mar 14 19:26:24 phonegap == JS side cross platform, airplay == c/c++ side cross platform Mar 14 19:26:44 ok Mar 14 19:28:15 last i heard apple was getting pretty strict on html5 based apps, they wanted it all compiled Mar 14 19:28:21 dunno if thats changed, i ignore apple Mar 14 19:28:48 I don't like them, but client (church) wants it on iOS Mar 14 19:29:18 lol just make a mobile site then an app with a webview Mar 14 19:29:37 yup yup - works everywhere!! Mar 14 19:29:42 well, I want to make it nice for them :p Mar 14 19:29:46 but then you can't say "we have an app" Mar 14 19:29:52 make a nice mobile site Mar 14 19:29:54 sure you can Mar 14 19:30:00 its still technically an app Mar 14 19:30:02 just a lazy one Mar 14 19:30:05 oh, I guess I missed the part "with a webview" Mar 14 19:30:12 :-P Mar 14 19:30:19 I mean, I think that's pretty much what phonegap does Mar 14 19:30:28 thats what i figured.. Mar 14 19:30:40 phonegap translates hardware calls per os as well Mar 14 19:30:58 hey Mar 14 19:31:00 does a bit more than that anyway Mar 14 19:31:00 I want to make a full on App though Mar 14 19:31:15 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 flicks off the switch Mar 14 19:31:20 there, now its a full off app Mar 14 19:31:23 i have a palm pixi, the button to turn the phone on silent or whatever keeps getting switched all the time and is pretty shitty Mar 14 19:31:30 is there any way I can disable that thing with a software hack? Mar 14 19:31:48 not afaink, but i havnt looked Mar 14 19:31:50 about 50% of the time my phone doesn't ring because its on silent even tho the switch is all the way up Mar 14 19:31:55 I think #webos-internals could help you Mar 14 19:31:58 using is there a way to specify the color of the strike through? Mar 14 19:32:10 could try a dab of hot glue Mar 14 19:32:14 ok thanks patrick Mar 14 19:32:17 np Mar 14 19:32:30 lolol Mar 14 19:32:36 wow Mar 14 19:32:45 just leave why dontcha Mar 14 19:32:49 :p Mar 14 19:33:05 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 locks the door behind leku Mar 14 19:33:12 learn that fucker good Mar 14 19:33:17 cool Mar 14 19:33:22 my app works Mar 14 19:33:33 MetaView, thats a first!! Mar 14 19:33:35 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 ducks Mar 14 19:33:41 lol Mar 14 19:33:49 you dont have to duck, youre a ninja Mar 14 19:34:02 i duck behind smoke bombs :) Mar 14 19:35:16 touche Mar 14 19:35:33 nice Mar 14 19:35:35 =--=- THIS IS WHERE THE ERROR MESSAGE GOES -=--= Mar 14 19:35:35 it's not the app which I'm proud of, but the service behind Mar 14 19:35:41 lol @ subaru.com Mar 14 19:37:25 more informative than my error messages Mar 14 19:37:26 lol Mar 14 19:38:29 MetaView, gotta admit you walked into that one as well :) Mar 14 19:38:43 which one? Mar 14 19:38:51 my app works Mar 14 19:38:51 MetaView, thats a first!! Mar 14 19:38:55 hah Mar 14 19:40:28 hehe Mar 14 19:40:33 what app metaview Mar 14 19:41:53 well, my goal for the day is accomplished Mar 14 19:42:03 what was it? Mar 14 19:42:52 correcting the budget field on standart part orders in our erm system Mar 14 19:42:57 can someone email me a .zip file? Mar 14 19:43:15 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 looks for the largest one he can find Mar 14 19:43:18 PatrickC: an app to list all special offers in the catalog Mar 14 19:43:21 is 8gb big enough? Mar 14 19:43:33 no Mar 14 19:43:35 lol Mar 14 19:43:45 I need a 500gb one :p Mar 14 19:43:46 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/canuck-coding/56009d1298772359-how-get-flash-legacy-devices-2-1-0-flashplugincontainer.zip Mar 14 19:43:47 i could take the ufs_copy img, thats about 600gb Mar 14 19:43:48 please Mar 14 19:43:54 :) Mar 14 19:44:33 why not copy that link into your email? Mar 14 19:45:14 because when I download on-device (no computer handy) it doesn't download corrently Mar 14 19:45:26 s/corrently/correctly Mar 14 19:45:33 it corrupts the file Mar 14 19:46:58 thats odd Mar 14 19:48:29 well, I got it now (hopefully) Mar 14 19:48:38 downloaded on a PC Mar 14 19:53:06 gettin ready to package Mar 14 19:54:27 brb gonna install, then gotta luna Mar 14 19:56:54 quick, lock the channel Mar 14 19:57:02 +i, hurry!!! :-P Mar 14 19:57:55 lol +m then +v everyone else Mar 14 20:01:50 worked! Mar 14 20:01:53 to late :/ Mar 14 20:01:59 what? Mar 14 20:02:14 pizze delivery guy lost the bet if he could get here before you got back Mar 14 20:02:15 :-P Mar 14 20:02:27 lol Mar 14 20:02:36 should I try and go SR71? Mar 14 20:03:09 just stand in front of a candle and wait for the blast to send you to mars :) Mar 14 20:03:23 you make bets with your pizza delivery guy?? Mar 14 20:03:32 lol Mar 14 20:03:52 i would if i wasnt actually still sitting behind my desk at work Mar 14 20:03:53 :\ Mar 14 20:04:35 im surprised, i actually got this box in 2 days from germany Mar 14 20:04:46 they made it in time for our planned install 8a tomm Mar 14 20:04:50 shockingly Mar 14 20:06:07 No Ops. Mar 14 20:06:09 PARTY!!!! Mar 14 20:06:12 * Klownicle gets naked Mar 14 20:07:22 * MetaView makes pictures and send them to Klownicle's mother Mar 14 20:07:40 Arn't you just kind. Mar 14 20:08:09 yes he is :p Mar 14 20:08:22 So how are we all doing on this fine day? Mar 14 20:08:31 good Mar 14 20:08:35 wbu Mar 14 20:08:35 awesome. Mar 14 20:08:39 ^ Mar 14 20:08:47 not bad so far Mar 14 20:08:52 I just finished installing flash Mar 14 20:08:58 so, that's good Mar 14 20:09:00 i got my profibus controller, so im in good shape :) Mar 14 20:09:10 profibus? Mar 14 20:09:17 Is that some sort of fancy webos wiget? Mar 14 20:09:24 industrial automation controlls communication Mar 14 20:09:34 * PatrickC scratches head Mar 14 20:09:35 :p Mar 14 20:09:52 I haven't heard back from adela yet though :'( Mar 14 20:10:01 a method of exchanging I/O between multiple automation devices, a robotic arm and a plc for example Mar 14 20:10:18 which is what im doing with this one Mar 14 20:10:23 its cwayne's fault! that extra money put adela over the top Mar 14 20:10:39 patrickC this card would buy you quite a few pre2's Mar 14 20:10:47 :-P Mar 14 20:10:55 wanna share the card number? Mar 14 20:11:00 Bah, lots my icon files and don't remember where I got them Mar 14 20:11:02 fubar. Mar 14 20:11:19 the part number? 3HAC55 77-1 Mar 14 20:11:24 webOS remembers :) Mar 14 20:11:38 I'll just take the part please ;) Mar 14 20:11:39 ABB Profibus card DSQC 510 Mar 14 20:11:45 lol Mar 14 20:12:03 the PO for this card and needed configuration software is over $9k Mar 14 20:12:41 $500 on ebay (minus software) Mar 14 20:12:43 but without an ABB robot, you couldnt do anything with it :-P Mar 14 20:12:52 http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300511177683 Mar 14 20:13:01 brb Mar 14 20:13:08 software and keystring for the robot is the expensive part Mar 14 20:13:38 bbl Mar 14 20:13:42 gotta do skool Mar 14 20:13:43 :'( Mar 14 20:14:01 HISTORY FTW Mar 14 20:14:04 Found the site yey! Mar 14 20:15:03 anyway, works done, im gettin outta here Mar 14 20:17:45 lmao, I need a star icon and I see the star of david. Mar 14 20:17:50 I suppose that might work temp.. LOL Mar 14 20:18:14 Comando appeared in the catalog Mar 14 20:18:31 wat Mar 14 20:19:59 called infiltrator Mar 14 20:20:13 from DS Effects, they get usually bad reviews... Mar 14 20:21:48 Unix Timestamp conversion... Mar 14 20:59:33 howdy everyone Mar 14 21:06:02 hi Mar 14 21:10:24 hello Mar 14 21:18:40 man, I only need $.10 from each of those 100 million devices next year Mar 14 21:18:51 $.10! Mar 14 21:18:56 I'm not greedy Mar 14 21:20:07 do you want shareß Mar 14 21:20:09 ? Mar 14 21:20:12 50/50? Mar 14 21:24:55 I think we should all get $.10 Mar 14 21:25:18 I'm down with that Mar 14 21:26:45 can I join in? Mar 14 21:39:24 okay, I guess I"m just stupid Mar 14 21:39:45 HOW do you post things on identi.ca? I've already forgotten what I wanted to say, but still cannot figure it out Mar 14 21:40:19 by posting it to Twitter :T Mar 14 21:40:22 spaz? Mar 14 21:40:28 via web Mar 14 21:40:40 web? Mar 14 21:40:51 yeah, you know, http://identi.ca Mar 14 21:41:12 like, I'm logged in there, and there is no input field or anything' Mar 14 21:41:15 there's a box, and you type words into it, and hit the "send" button Mar 14 21:41:24 WTF is it? Mar 14 21:41:31 sugardave: you have to verify your email Mar 14 21:41:36 I wondered the same thing Mar 14 21:41:36 I cannot see it in chrome or ff :( Mar 14 21:41:45 I did I think... Mar 14 21:41:49 I have an input window Mar 14 21:41:50 let me double-check Mar 14 21:41:56 in seamonkey Mar 14 21:42:02 have you JS enabled? Mar 14 21:42:08 webOS on PC "on Windows on a browser" WTF Mar 14 21:42:17 MetaView: yeah, js Mar 14 21:42:32 ding ding ding, I was right! :9 Mar 14 21:42:51 -.- Mar 14 21:43:06 apotheker sucks :) Mar 14 21:43:36 Nah, everyone who had some kind of grand notion of webOS being a full blown OS on the PC was horribly disconnected from reality :p Mar 14 21:43:50 SineOt: why? Mar 14 21:44:09 ah, I didn't use my normal email address and have not received the confirm email Mar 14 21:44:16 I was going nuts Mar 14 21:44:16 creating a sandbox linux/unix distro is possible in <3months, as it's x86/x86_64 Mar 14 21:44:46 dual booting would be lame. Mar 14 21:45:06 Tibfib: they could use XEN :) Mar 14 21:45:08 A company rewrites their entire application framework so that it runs in any webKit browser, and ships millions of -Windows 7- PCs? Mar 14 21:45:28 SineOt: marketing (and you) win Mar 14 21:45:32 Why add another layer of complexity to make it a full blown OS when it already runs everything inside of the browser? Mar 14 21:46:01 SineOt: I thought of it as another "ChromeOS" Mar 14 21:46:09 identi.ca is stupid, no one follows me Mar 14 21:46:20 It is. It just doesn't require you to replace your -entire- OS with it. Mar 14 21:46:22 I follow you Mar 14 21:46:37 really? the website said different :) Mar 14 21:46:39 You can pop right back out into that Microsoft Office document you were working on. Mar 14 21:46:40 can't you just run "ChromeOS" apps in Chrome on a normal PC? Mar 14 21:46:48 what's your username again?? Mar 14 21:46:54 so how would this be any different than ChromeOS? Mar 14 21:46:55 metaview Mar 14 21:47:11 By not requiring your entire OS to be ChromeOS. Mar 14 21:47:21 You get webOS apps without losing Windows. Mar 14 21:47:28 * Lichtlos hates windows Mar 14 21:47:39 you only follow two people, I didn't know you were there, metaview 8) Mar 14 21:47:42 * Lichtlos uses FBSD/OSX Mar 14 21:47:54 HP sells 120 Windows PCs a minute, not 120 Linux PCs. Mar 14 21:48:09 actually you should be thrilled that it's browser based Mar 14 21:48:10 funkatron: I know your answer, but it wouldn't be bad to see in Spaz not only the usernam but also the account type, or one can give accounts a free name Mar 14 21:48:18 yeah Mar 14 21:48:20 that means it should work on *NIX and OS X as well Mar 14 21:48:28 * bemjb doesn't do windows, either. Mar 14 21:48:29 what the crap. why isn't my scroller setting itself up Mar 14 21:48:30 if it's entirely browser based you should be able to run it on anything with a webKit browser Mar 14 21:48:30 SineOt: webOS based on linux COULD have changed that Mar 14 21:48:35 and a combined timeline would be cool too, with a default account for posting Mar 14 21:48:45 funkatron: I'm there since today :) Mar 14 21:48:45 MetaView: didn't I tell you earlier that I thought we should do that? Mar 14 21:48:55 combined timeline is quite a bit more complex Mar 14 21:48:58 oh, no, you din't Mar 14 21:49:16 I remember this coming up Mar 14 21:49:20 someone else I guess Mar 14 21:49:32 Lichtlos: no, it wouldn't have. The market wouldn't have supported that at all. I'd bet that 119 of those 120 PCs a minute are going to people who think the internet is the IE icon and that Microsoft Office is the only way to make a document Mar 14 21:49:36 yeah it should absolutely have the account type in the view menu/header Mar 14 21:50:03 ok, then this time you didn't gave me the expected answer: "submit a patch" :D Mar 14 21:50:07 SineOt: I hope you're wrong :D Mar 14 21:50:08 You'd either horribly frustrate those users to the point of returning the system, or you'd basically generate a ton of dislike and ire towards webOS Mar 14 21:50:28 Both of which would be like peeing in your own face Mar 14 21:50:37 MetaView: I know, weird. that's a problem though for people using multiple systems Mar 14 21:50:44 and not just a personal preference Mar 14 21:50:48 webos on desktop is nice for stuff like widgets or small tools Mar 14 21:51:22 MetaView: is it needed, then? Mar 14 21:51:27 well, it is possible that things like the Enyo mail app would be nice to use all the time Mar 14 21:51:30 MetaView: Or anything that can sync between your PC and your device Mar 14 21:51:40 (Which will probably be uh, everything) Mar 14 21:51:52 well, it'll be interesting to see what they do Mar 14 21:51:55 SineOt: thats a good point Mar 14 21:52:04 and if you get enough people using these webOS apps on the PC, then it is a first step to getting people less attached to windows. Mar 14 21:52:45 DB8 is based entirely around HTML5 relational storage, so it'd be trivial to get it entirely into the cloud... Where you could work on something in your app on device and have it sync to your PC in the background. Mar 14 21:52:53 funkatron: thx :) good night Mar 14 21:53:06 I think HP wants enyo on the desktop only to create one big experience. Regardless of where you are, your apps are there with you Mar 14 21:53:18 And could realistically even extend out to letting you answer a text you received on device on your PC. Mar 14 21:53:29 madnificent: exactly. And that doesn't need a full blown Linux environment Mar 14 21:53:37 MetaView: thanks for that patch btw; I'll try to get it into 2.0.11 Mar 14 21:53:39 night Mar 14 21:55:03 all that needs is webKit Mar 14 21:56:06 hey, if you guys want to try out a custom statusnet install with the two-way twitter bridge working, you can register at http://status.getspaz.com/ Mar 14 21:57:15 okay, so webOS runs in a browser in Windows...not a browser that runs Windows on an HP machine, right? Mar 14 21:57:47 s/runs Windows/runs in Windows Mar 14 21:58:23 ya know Mar 14 21:58:27 sugardave: basically? Mar 14 21:58:32 webOS could just exist as a runtime layer inside windows Mar 14 21:58:40 and the apps essentially SSBs Mar 14 21:58:51 given that they've demo'd enyo running in a browser, I don't see how it would be anything much different than that. Mar 14 21:58:52 sugardave: depends on how the hardware abstraction layer works, perhaps Mar 14 21:58:55 that would be transparent to the user Mar 14 21:58:55 so, potential market is WELL beyond 100 million HP PCs Mar 14 21:59:20 * sugardave pipe-dreams. Mar 14 21:59:26 maybe they'd add a plugin for some native services Mar 14 22:03:47 * PatrickC casually walks by Mar 14 22:03:54 SineOt: it would be cool if we could get a linux webos serivce as well (I bought an HP PC, but I'm not going to run windows on it, sorry) Mar 14 22:04:27 Actually looking at some tweets from the event: "Leo: People like working on [Windows] PC's and they aren't going away." Mar 14 22:04:58 ^ that is why webOS on the PC will be a 'browser' layer... Something I've been saying for a while. :p Mar 14 22:05:24 I like windows, but they can have webOS Desktop like Ubuntu? Mar 14 22:05:35 free and easy to install Mar 14 22:06:05 And a marginal at best marketshare for a disproportionate level of support costs? :P Mar 14 22:06:32 it would raise user-base :) Mar 14 22:06:50 Shipping it on every Windows PC HP ships already does that for a lot less effort Mar 14 22:07:15 but what about other HP PCs? Mar 14 22:07:36 actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the linux layer would be a homebrew layer Mar 14 22:07:51 go to HP's consumer site and tell me how many Linux HP PCs they offer Mar 14 22:08:17 a majjilion Mar 14 22:08:25 I'm talking, you put it on like you put on Ubunty Mar 14 22:08:29 halfhalo: that equals to 0, right? Mar 14 22:08:34 s/ubunty/ubuntu Mar 14 22:08:48 PatrickC: I don't think you get it Mar 14 22:09:03 get what? Mar 14 22:09:06 I think that that's the thing with linux. The users install it themselves, regardless of what they bought... therefore, it doesn't matter what you offer, it matters what your users use. Mar 14 22:09:19 Number of people who put Ubuntu on their new HP PC is way smaller than the number that buy it and just use it Mar 14 22:09:21 though I suspect that the amount of hp pcs with a non-windows system installed on them is fairly limited Mar 14 22:09:29 I know Mar 14 22:09:35 If it ships included, then you're hitting a huge market of people who just buy it Mar 14 22:09:53 bit it still might be a meaningful figure. Also keep in mind that they are desperate for devs... and many of those use linux Mar 14 22:09:55 they ship it w/ it, but offer a download for those who didn't get a brand new PC Mar 14 22:10:10 PatrickC: w/ is without? Mar 14 22:10:14 But if you do it like Ubuntu where you have to install it, you've suddenly got a lot more support costs involved on HP's side for a market that is even tinier than the included Mar 14 22:10:19 w/ == with Mar 14 22:10:31 PatrickC: ah, ok Mar 14 22:11:08 well, they need to distribute it somehow besides just as an included feature with new PCs Mar 14 22:11:17 SineOt: if those support costs gives them new contracts and more software, then it might just weigh up Mar 14 22:11:26 win vm + webOS in vbox, done Mar 14 22:11:39 sugardave: that's terrible Mar 14 22:12:00 or make the overlay oss and get native browser support compiled in whatever linux you like Mar 14 22:12:09 sugardave: that sounds great Mar 14 22:12:33 option 1 for the lazy, option 2 for the hardcore :) Mar 14 22:12:42 sugardave: and I think that homebrew will get us there. If the emulator is running in linux, then we have a chance that it's possible to run only the services. Mar 14 22:13:05 webOS on PC won't be in an emulator though Mar 14 22:13:15 Enyo runs entirely in the browser Mar 14 22:13:24 I hope not (the emu) Mar 14 22:13:26 arggg.. why won't my scroller setup...? http://pastebin.com/STsEs7dv Mar 14 22:13:45 content shows up spilling over the background Mar 14 22:14:00 but the scroller doesn't get setup and there's no error Mar 14 22:15:15 I know my "widget_declaration" Mojo.View.render stuff works because I use it 5+ times in other parts of my app Mar 14 22:15:29 how's it goin tibfib? Mar 14 22:15:43 alright, trying to figure out the problem with something Mar 14 22:16:00 you? Mar 14 22:16:01 what app? koto/lite? Mar 14 22:16:07 koto Mar 14 22:16:12 both Mar 14 22:16:12 dundun Mar 14 22:16:17 I'm doin school :/ Mar 14 22:16:29 and wishing he could fix this app... Mar 14 22:16:40 Tibfib: alphaScrollerWidget vs alphaMojoScroller Mar 14 22:16:49 looks like two different id's to me Mar 14 22:16:56 but I can't find the code I need, and halfhalo won't tell me :p Mar 14 22:17:15 geez halfhalo, you're such a drag Mar 14 22:17:31 haeffb: alphaScrollerWidget is the widget from the scene assistant declaring my custom alphaScroller widget Mar 14 22:17:46 oil won't tell ne either... they expect me to find it myself... Mar 14 22:17:46 inside the alphaScrollerWidget I declare alphaMojoScroller, a mojo scroller Mar 14 22:18:37 Most people try things out for themself first Mar 14 22:18:51 I've been working on this scroller issue for 2+ hours and can't figure it out Mar 14 22:19:16 lol I can't find the code searching every file I think would be relevant in preware Mar 14 22:19:23 PatrickC: you gotta learn how to figure stuff out Mar 14 22:19:36 PatrickC: what are you even trying to do? Mar 14 22:19:45 well, the API I want to use isn't official... Mar 14 22:19:52 which is Mar 14 22:19:54 I want to change the default browser Mar 14 22:19:54 which one Mar 14 22:20:05 to what? all the others out there that exist? P: Mar 14 22:20:10 PatrickC: think of where that code is used, and try and find it :) Mar 14 22:20:18 if you say PreFox then I am going to laugh so hard at you Mar 14 22:20:24 tibfib: tried that, errors out Mar 14 22:20:26 not prefox Mar 14 22:20:30 Universe Mar 14 22:20:37 PatrickC: huh? it errors? Mar 14 22:20:43 yea Mar 14 22:20:48 what errors? Mar 14 22:21:05 when I put the code in (the code that I *think* it is) Mar 14 22:21:20 oh, then you are doing something wrong, or you found the wrong code Mar 14 22:21:34 probably both :p Mar 14 22:21:50 sineot: look up Universe, its nice :) Mar 14 22:21:55 its in beta stages now Mar 14 22:22:01 does it run on 1.4.5? Mar 14 22:22:11 * sugardave bets that somewhere on some wiki or in some forum thread is the information. Mar 14 22:22:16 yes it does Mar 14 22:22:39 it runs wonderfully on my Pixi- Mar 14 22:22:47 sugardave, haeffb, any ideas on my scroller issue? Mar 14 22:23:25 nope. you pooh-poohed on my idea. Mar 14 22:23:51 have you logged to see where it fails? or try/catch? Mar 14 22:25:01 code before and after works :( Mar 14 22:25:14 I set the content of the scroller after it is setup Mar 14 22:25:26 the content is visible, but calling "mojo" on the this.scroller errors out Mar 14 22:32:34 I'm doing something WAY more important...trying to locate my avatar .png :P Mar 14 22:35:12 getting worried about this statement about shipping webos... "alongside windows" Mar 14 22:39:38 so apps written for WebOS 1.4.5 will need a complete rewrite? Mar 14 22:39:51 no Mar 14 22:40:02 mojo is supported till webOS 3 I think Mar 14 22:40:21 http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=443 <-- is this what I need to make it default? Mar 14 22:41:04 that's quite fair Mar 14 22:41:16 gives us time to rewrite Mar 14 22:43:47 madnificent: join the Early Access Program to get early access to enyo Mar 14 22:44:12 PatrickC: I want to get my app out of the building first :) Mar 14 22:44:21 lol Mar 14 22:44:33 PatrickC: do I need to mail to pdc for both the free pre2 and the early access enyo? Mar 14 22:45:12 free pre 2 goes to * devmarketing@palm.com * eaccess goes to *pdc@palm.com* Mar 14 22:47:16 oh, ok Mar 14 22:47:24 yep yep Mar 14 22:47:28 looks like I've been terribly informed Mar 14 22:48:09 who informed you? Mar 14 22:50:26 madnificent: do you have any apps out? Mar 14 22:50:32 I think I read it somewhere in this channel. But my brain doesn't function today, so I guess it might be my imagination as well. Mar 14 22:50:45 PatrickC: cut me some slack! I'm doing my best :P Mar 14 22:51:07 at least your trying :) Mar 14 22:51:09 PatrickC: going to call the IRS tomorow or the day after that and have ordered a credit card. I need that stuff to get my palm dev account. :) Mar 14 22:51:16 I forgot you just started :p Mar 14 22:51:21 PatrickC: I'm already using one of them! Mar 14 22:51:28 you just need a paypal Mar 14 22:51:31 but I'm updating it at the same time Mar 14 22:51:39 your paypal needs to be linked to a creditcard, apparently Mar 14 22:51:46 mine doesnt Mar 14 22:51:59 at lease, I don't think it is Mar 14 22:52:08 why would you have to call the IRS? Mar 14 22:52:19 because of tax stuff something something Mar 14 22:52:25 I'm not a US resident Mar 14 22:52:32 oh, the "fun" stuf Mar 14 22:52:38 and I need to confirm that I am not, then I get a number etc etc Mar 14 22:52:42 what country? Mar 14 22:52:45 Belgium Mar 14 22:52:58 waffles!!!!! :) Mar 14 22:53:08 (at least we don't have a government to bother with taxes (not really true, but still)) Mar 14 22:53:18 lol Mar 14 22:53:24 PatrickC: I always think of beer & fries when I think of belgium, but we have waffles too! Mar 14 22:53:35 lol Mar 14 22:53:44 * madnificent grabs a coffee Mar 14 22:53:48 I like belgium waffles :) Mar 14 22:53:57 I whish I could send you some :P Mar 14 22:54:00 where do you live? Mar 14 22:54:12 TN, USA Mar 14 22:54:28 near Nashville Mar 14 22:54:55 sorry Mar 14 22:55:15 * PatrickC stupid stacks *kicks 'em* Mar 14 22:55:56 I live near Nashville, Tennessee, USA Mar 14 22:58:01 yay, you're in the supported country Mar 14 22:58:12 that's a quick host change Mar 14 22:59:06 I was grouping this account to my main Mar 14 22:59:20 and yep :) I'm in the supported country Mar 14 22:59:48 * PatrickC though I still haven't gotten my dev pre2 Mar 14 22:59:52 dang. I can't wait to not use mojo. Mar 14 23:00:20 hey if I'd like for my users to select a location (non Ares), what would by options be? Mar 14 23:00:34 I'd prefer for them to actually specify a region, but I think that that 'd be way out of my reach Mar 14 23:00:51 how are you coding? SDK/Ares Mar 14 23:00:54 SDK Mar 14 23:01:11 idk then Mar 14 23:01:18 idk ? Mar 14 23:01:30 idk == I don't know Mar 14 23:01:33 my godfather works at HP, perhaps I should ask him for my pre2. He got one, why shouldn't I? Mar 14 23:01:38 ah, sadly Mar 14 23:01:56 lol, can you get me a veer/pre3/touchpad too? :) Mar 14 23:02:22 I don't think I'll be able to get myself anything... Mar 14 23:02:28 I mostly see him once a year :( Mar 14 23:02:43 he can mail it to me :) Mar 14 23:02:46 s/me/you Mar 14 23:02:49 :p Mar 14 23:03:08 PatrickC: I wouldn't have added that substitution if I were you :P Mar 14 23:03:17 lol Mar 14 23:03:39 either case: I was even thinking of using Bing, if it wasn't possible to use google maps for this thing. Mar 14 23:03:42 out of sheer frustration Mar 14 23:03:51 not that I dislike maps.bing.com, it's quite good Mar 14 23:03:59 at least, in Europe Mar 14 23:04:13 I don't like anything but gmaps Mar 14 23:04:17 gmaps is amazing Mar 14 23:04:51 bing has given it quite a good ripoff and it's semi-3d perspective is quite cool. (birdseye, I think) Mar 14 23:05:00 with cool, I mean practical Mar 14 23:07:17 I assume we all saw this http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/14/hp-touchpad-coming-june-webos-for-pc-beta-by-years-end/ Mar 14 23:07:45 * PatrickC didnt Mar 14 23:07:58 there was an original report on precentral about that, no? Mar 14 23:08:41 yes Mar 14 23:08:45 that's what the article says Mar 14 23:09:37 (with that I wanted to say: don't we all follow precentral?) Mar 14 23:09:48 I must have missed it Mar 14 23:09:50 brb Mar 14 23:10:04 funkatron: still good to paste it, apparently :) Mar 14 23:10:28 mmmyep Mar 14 23:10:40 madnificent: I do not follow precentral, no 8D Mar 14 23:12:22 funkatron: srsly? Mar 14 23:12:28 srsly Mar 14 23:13:18 oh ok theyn Mar 14 23:13:19 then Mar 14 23:15:59 * cwayne needs some friggen coffee Mar 14 23:17:07 woo data usage! Mar 14 23:17:26 * halfhalo watches as hulu burns it up Mar 14 23:20:23 webos in a browser in windows Mar 14 23:20:25 :( Mar 14 23:20:31 that's not webos that's windows Mar 14 23:20:48 * torchie starts saving up for another mac Mar 14 23:21:21 200mb an hour Mar 14 23:21:31 torchie: webos apps run in...a browser Mar 14 23:21:52 I don't see a problem with this Mar 14 23:22:19 unless its ie Mar 14 23:22:24 I was hoping for an integrated solution to compete with the macintosh and its possible ARM transition Mar 14 23:23:07 hehe... 2mb/s down Mar 14 23:23:31 on what? pre? Mar 14 23:23:35 and webos apps in a browser on windows isn't the same UX as the webos itself Mar 14 23:23:40 torchie: You think apple will support ARM on desktop? Mar 14 23:23:52 epic Mar 14 23:24:03 it's just... windows Mar 14 23:24:09 halfhalo: on UMTS/CDMA? Mar 14 23:24:34 wimax Mar 14 23:24:49 sounds pretty poor Mar 14 23:24:54 torchie: well, a browser sounds awefully simplistic. In that sense WebOS is linux with a browser Mar 14 23:25:01 halfhalo: what pone? Mar 14 23:25:05 torchie: which it is, but all the little helps make it a lot more fun :) Mar 14 23:25:15 its only streaming hulus atm Mar 14 23:25:23 its done 6 down before Mar 14 23:25:34 I have always understood the strategy to be that webOS APPS will run on PCs...so why not in a browser? Mar 14 23:25:43 what device???? Mar 14 23:25:52 what of the native apps? Mar 14 23:26:07 they run in a webkit browser already Mar 14 23:26:13 I still fail to see the problem Mar 14 23:26:24 the ones written in C++ with SDL etc. Mar 14 23:26:39 I would like more of a *real* webOS experience on my PC Mar 14 23:26:48 I'm pretty sure it's called the Plugin Development Kit for a reason. Mar 14 23:26:51 I don't do PDK, but wouldn't you just add those to the Intel/Win arch when you compile it? Mar 14 23:27:32 the epics Mar 14 23:27:36 i.e. you write some C code and when compiling it, it makes executables for ARM and Intel...right? Mar 14 23:27:40 it just isn't the web operating system Mar 14 23:27:42 it's just the web Mar 14 23:27:55 the web is the platform Mar 14 23:27:57 hay adora Mar 14 23:28:02 oh NO Mar 14 23:28:09 run? Mar 14 23:28:13 PatrickC: haaaaaaaaaay y'all Mar 14 23:28:13 that's what they've been saying since November in New York Mar 14 23:28:25 hi Adora Mar 14 23:28:32 how's it goin? Mar 14 23:28:32 is it platform enough? Mar 14 23:28:57 torchie: I agree . The chrome-appstore fails, too Mar 14 23:28:58 Adora: hi, who should I be buttering up before I talk to HR? :) Mar 14 23:29:06 sugardave: me Mar 14 23:29:16 awesome, you're the cutest :D Mar 14 23:29:20 I'm putting some resumes in the system right now =] Mar 14 23:29:37 lol Mar 14 23:30:30 Adora: I hope mine is already in there! I've been bugging HPalm employees for almost 2 weeks now Mar 14 23:30:48 sugardave: you really applied? Mar 14 23:31:02 you should have sent it wrapped around lots of chocolate Mar 14 23:31:20 I did, but I bet Ben ate it all Mar 14 23:31:28 Adora: you should ask Ben where the chocolate is Mar 14 23:31:36 NO MORE CHOCOLATE Mar 14 23:31:37 OMG Mar 14 23:31:47 lol Mar 14 23:31:50 Adora: ftr: are you seriously working at palm with resumes? Mar 14 23:31:50 you can blame connor and james for putting 5 lbs on my ass Mar 14 23:31:53 AND I had wrapped them in custom extra-shiny foil Mar 14 23:32:36 Adora: I believe you did just offer to be buttered. ;-p Mar 14 23:32:59 haha Mar 14 23:33:11 butter > chocolate Mar 14 23:33:14 or wrap it in bacon Mar 14 23:33:17 but I am picky about my butter Mar 14 23:33:27 only grass-fed cows? Mar 14 23:33:45 I only eat raw, grass fed butter...or kerrygold if I can't get raw Mar 14 23:33:45 * bemjb has a picture of Adora being buttered like a giant slice of toast. Mar 14 23:33:58 * halfhalo can see it noe Mar 14 23:34:04 now* Mar 14 23:34:33 too bad real life isn't actually like a cartoon. ;-) Mar 14 23:34:35 good night everyone! Mar 14 23:34:45 PatrickC: yes, why not? Mar 14 23:34:48 Lichtlos: night Mar 14 23:35:00 you DO remember who we are talking anout Mar 14 23:36:20 hahahahahahaha Mar 14 23:36:30 car crash!jj Mar 14 23:36:58 right behind me Mar 14 23:37:04 wuuuut Mar 14 23:37:14 !! Mar 14 23:37:50 sitting in my car in the parking structure, and a car coming up and one going down went smack Mar 14 23:38:10 I was about to ask about irc'ing while driving... Mar 14 23:38:22 been there done that Mar 14 23:39:40 I meeaaannn Mar 14 23:39:57 look! a puppy! Mar 14 23:40:46 ^_^ Mar 14 23:41:16 halfhalo: any real damage, or was it under -whatever speed us cars can handle- Mar 14 23:42:00 this is a college, what do you think Mar 14 23:42:34 halfhalo: if I should deduct anything from my driving style, I'd say they'd both have to be dead... however, this is not the US :) Mar 14 23:43:36 new, just smashed up Mar 14 23:44:13 collage Mar 14 23:45:16 * halfhalo should get an air mattress Mar 14 23:45:18 is HP aiming for some sort of Mar 14 23:45:24 like kindle but for apps dealie Mar 14 23:50:13 anyone here use phonegap? Mar 14 23:51:05 I am starting to Mar 14 23:51:16 But I need camera support :/ Mar 14 23:52:32 how hard is it? Mar 14 23:53:12 potato Mar 14 23:53:27 tomato Mar 14 23:53:33 tomoto Mar 14 23:54:01 so is everyone gonna watch the webOS radio podcast thing? Mar 14 23:54:15 * oil is gonna watch only because funkatron is on Mar 14 23:54:21 what "webOS radio podcast thing" Mar 14 23:54:39 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/webosradio-live-podcast-tonight-at-nine-pm-est-with-special-guest-ed-funkatron-finkler-creator-of-the-open-source-twitter-app-spaz/ Mar 14 23:54:51 they still using irc for their live chat? or did they switch to some stupid chat thing? Mar 14 23:54:58 oil: demand a shoutout! Mar 14 23:55:07 meh Mar 14 23:55:20 fuck if I know Mar 14 23:55:30 I think we're doing ustream + skype Mar 14 23:55:44 also I'm told I can't swear Mar 14 23:55:54 http://www.webosroundup.com/webosradio-live/ Mar 14 23:56:03 looks like crappy chat thing and not irc to me :( Mar 14 23:56:10 that's gonna be hard isn't it funkatron Mar 14 23:56:13 * PatrickC ducks Mar 14 23:56:20 it is. I swear a lot. Mar 14 23:56:32 oil: you can talk to me on IRC, baby Mar 14 23:56:34 lol Mar 14 23:56:55 my boss is a jehovah witness Mar 14 23:57:05 so im able to not curse at times xD Mar 14 23:57:10 tell him to come the fuck on in! Mar 14 23:57:18 oil: stop stop cursing! stop it now! Mar 14 23:57:26 okay, webos2.1 voice-dail tells me, there would be other commands... but it doesn't name, WHICH commands Mar 14 23:57:28 oil: show him a KJV Bible :) Mar 14 23:57:39 ill notice something is broken and be like "fuuuu..." Mar 14 23:57:41 "dge" Mar 14 23:57:48 lol Mar 14 23:57:57 like a xmas story Mar 14 23:57:58 heh Mar 14 23:58:05 then he says things like "jimeny chirstams" Mar 14 23:58:14 and im like "isn't that the same as saying jeasus christ?" Mar 14 23:58:22 "you know, taking his name in vein?" Mar 14 23:58:36 and he tries to tell me its not the same Mar 14 23:58:37 * halfhalo would end up saying something like goddamnit Mar 14 23:58:40 in "vein"? lol Mar 14 23:58:48 is that not how its spelt? Mar 14 23:58:52 vain Mar 14 23:58:52 i can't spell for shit Mar 14 23:58:54 in this case Mar 14 23:58:56 but yeah Mar 14 23:59:01 vein is in your body :) Mar 14 23:59:04 veins Mar 14 23:59:11 hey, at least i spelled that right Mar 14 23:59:12 VEEEEIIIINNNNS Mar 14 23:59:27 I believe they do not hold Jimminy Christmas in the same high regard Mar 14 23:59:27 oh my god Mar 14 23:59:35 then its like "oh, christmas party, well i know my boss wont be there" Mar 14 23:59:45 who the well spilled soda back here Mar 14 23:59:46 but then he is, for the free food Mar 14 23:59:55 the religion where you can't have fun Mar 15 00:00:04 jehovah's witnesses? Mar 15 00:00:14 yeah Mar 15 00:00:20 they done believe in blood transfusions either Mar 15 00:00:24 even if to save their life Mar 15 00:00:35 poor kids can't even go to other kids' birthday parties Mar 15 00:00:35 he's got a "NO BLOOD" card where his license should go in his wallet Mar 15 00:01:06 he's like not even 5 feet tall either, so he's got some short man complex going, too Mar 15 00:01:13 awesome Mar 15 00:01:22 needless to say, i own the top shelf in the office Mar 15 00:01:23 nothing better than a Napolean Mar 15 00:01:27 hahaha Mar 15 00:01:31 so you work for an elf Mar 15 00:01:31 but his wife Mar 15 00:01:33 you should walk up to him with a bloody arm and be like " you want" Mar 15 00:01:36 wow, his wife is really fuckin hot Mar 15 00:01:47 idk how it happened either Mar 15 00:01:53 weird Mar 15 00:01:57 yeah Mar 15 00:01:58 he's got pictures or something Mar 15 00:02:01 I think he's not allowed to enjoy that either Mar 15 00:02:07 you should try to find them :) Mar 15 00:02:09 no, she comes in every so often Mar 15 00:02:18 cause i help her with her website Mar 15 00:02:23 for her waxing business Mar 15 00:02:28 well shit, gimme the URL? Mar 15 00:02:29 hah Mar 15 00:02:31 err ! Mar 15 00:02:32 awww yeah Mar 15 00:02:35 lol Mar 15 00:02:41 waxing! Mar 15 00:02:47 http://sewaxingstudio.com/ Mar 15 00:03:04 is she the same shannon elizabeth? Mar 15 00:03:33 as what? Mar 15 00:03:36 oil: I meant the boss has BLACKMAIL pictures of the hottie, that's how he got the certificate Mar 15 00:03:36 er, who? Mar 15 00:03:43 lol, idk Mar 15 00:03:43 and you should try to find them Mar 15 00:03:51 * oil isn't that interested Mar 15 00:03:53 heh Mar 15 00:04:19 "I got my eyebrows waxed once and the skin came off." Mar 15 00:04:30 lol Mar 15 00:04:59 anyone here use cygwin? Mar 15 00:05:04 anyways Mar 15 00:05:13 * oil is in webosroundup place waiting for this shit to start Mar 15 00:05:32 chat requires registration? meh Mar 15 00:05:43 tell them oil says their chat is fail Mar 15 00:06:22 yup Mar 15 00:06:45 halfhalo: was that "yep" to using cygwin? Mar 15 00:07:00 no, to the wor chat fail Mar 15 00:07:58 hey folks, looking for design feedback: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/photos-temp-1jpg.jpg Mar 15 00:08:01 alpha scroller Mar 15 00:08:15 I like that Mar 15 00:08:22 looks nice! Mar 15 00:08:33 I can neither sign into the chat nor see the video streams Mar 15 00:08:48 looks good Mar 15 00:08:56 nice! Mar 15 00:09:09 looks a little like iOS though Mar 15 00:09:11 thanks for the feedback.. I was thinking it needed some tweaks Mar 15 00:09:11 Tibfib: pretty cool, so you fixed it? :) Mar 15 00:09:20 sugardave: yeah.. it didn't like being in a widget.. Mar 15 00:09:26 * oil looks at screenshot, doesn't see scrollfades Mar 15 00:09:29 no clue :O Mar 15 00:09:30 O.O Mar 15 00:09:34 BURN Mar 15 00:09:37 oil: screw scroll fades Mar 15 00:09:45 ... Mar 15 00:09:46 scrollfades make everything nicer Mar 15 00:09:55 even if its only a handful of pixels high Mar 15 00:09:56 oil: is there an easy way to do it? Mar 15 00:10:02 2 images Mar 15 00:10:09 I know that part Mar 15 00:10:11 its always easy Mar 15 00:10:11 :) Mar 15 00:10:15 htf am I supposed to sign into this chat thing? Mar 15 00:10:15 when is it not easy? Mar 15 00:10:26 no, and easy way to say whether it should be visible or not Mar 15 00:10:30 sugardave: you're supposed to protest the chat thing until they switch to irc Mar 15 00:10:33 what event do you subscribe to? Mar 15 00:10:40 doesnt it do that automatically? Mar 15 00:11:03 oil: it's not a list Mar 15 00:11:04 mojo list Mar 15 00:11:04 sometimes the scroll fades fail to render when they should Mar 15 00:11:18 sugardave: yeah, they do Mar 15 00:11:24 but having > not having Mar 15 00:11:28 even with its quirks Mar 15 00:11:38 I lke to use arrows instead of fades Mar 15 00:11:43 but it's the same thing Mar 15 00:11:45 apps without scrollfades always seem... incomplete? to me? Mar 15 00:11:51 lol Mar 15 00:11:59 purely personal feelings Mar 15 00:12:17 i also hate screenshots with crap in the notification bar if you're not showing off the notification bar Mar 15 00:12:26 :) Mar 15 00:12:37 * oil is very pickey Mar 15 00:12:47 or screen shots with patches for the top bar Mar 15 00:12:51 I was just making a quick ss for geting feedback Mar 15 00:12:55 calm down peeps :) Mar 15 00:12:58 yeah i know :) Mar 15 00:13:12 though his top-bar patch isn't bad, just hte date Mar 15 00:13:15 I'll probably do a ss of my clean emu Mar 15 00:13:17 its not like, orange or dark blue or something Mar 15 00:13:24 oil: now THAT I hate Mar 15 00:13:33 lol Mar 15 00:13:53 * halfhalo has no patches Mar 15 00:14:29 * oil has date patch on his main device Mar 15 00:14:37 but thats my only top-bar patch Mar 15 00:14:40 * PatrickC has a ton of patches Mar 15 00:14:45 unless you cound flashlight in the device menu Mar 15 00:14:47 count* Mar 15 00:14:57 It took two days, but Universe now uses an sqlite database for its main preferences! :D Mar 15 00:15:05 yay Mar 15 00:15:06 (and flashlight is the only change to it) Mar 15 00:15:15 dkirker: nice Mar 15 00:15:17 dkirker: nice! Mar 15 00:15:19 oil: you should see my top bar Mar 15 00:15:25 can't wait for the next beta Mar 15 00:15:25 id rather not Mar 15 00:15:34 dkirker is universe(tm) guy? Mar 15 00:15:39 how's the *other* thing coming dkirker :p Mar 15 00:15:41 yes he is Mar 15 00:15:41 I still can't find how to log into this chat Mar 15 00:15:50 so I can't protest it Mar 15 00:15:53 it was a pain in the ass to implement too... :( Had to delay the opening of a page because of silly async callbacks... Mar 15 00:15:54 :/ Mar 15 00:15:55 how much did it cost to trademark Mar 15 00:15:58 oil: Yes! Mar 15 00:16:01 "universe"? Mar 15 00:16:08 trademark? Mar 15 00:16:12 haha Mar 15 00:16:13 sugardave: just try and talk in the chat Mar 15 00:16:17 http://openmobl.com/ Mar 15 00:16:21 then it will tell you to log in Mar 15 00:16:23 Universe(tm) coming soon Mar 15 00:16:26 xD Mar 15 00:16:32 * oil found it funny Mar 15 00:16:41 you don't pay for the "tm" trademark, only the "(r)" Mar 15 00:16:48 oh, this chat sucks Mar 15 00:16:53 ah Mar 15 00:16:53 haha Mar 15 00:17:10 so you just put it there for shits and giggles? Mar 15 00:17:18 hah Mar 15 00:17:18 kinda sorta :P Mar 15 00:17:37 * PatrickC needs cygwin help... Mar 15 00:17:54 PatrickC: Get a Mac or Linux box. Problem solved. :P Mar 15 00:17:55 anyways, id love to beta test your browser :) Mar 15 00:18:02 cd isn't working Mar 15 00:18:15 well, I'm using phonegap... Mar 15 00:18:17 ouch! cd not working? >.< Mar 15 00:18:22 and don't want to use hackintosh Mar 15 00:18:26 that takes fail to a new level Mar 15 00:18:45 I'm typing "cd ..." and its just showing ">" Mar 15 00:18:50 oil: feel free to drop an email to beta@openmobl.com. Mar 15 00:18:54 and not doing anything Mar 15 00:19:15 three dots? Mar 15 00:19:20 no Mar 15 00:19:21 heh Mar 15 00:19:27 the path I want Mar 15 00:19:33 PatrickC: just get ubuntu Mar 15 00:19:50 but I don't want to code in ubuntu Mar 15 00:20:31 * halfhalo gives up on helping Mar 15 00:20:46 ubuntu broke on me Mar 15 00:20:54 made me not want to use it any more :p Mar 15 00:21:08 no Mar 15 00:21:12 that isn't how it works Mar 15 00:21:21 YOU broke something in Ubuntu Mar 15 00:21:44 when I launched it the second time, it was asking me to install it Mar 15 00:22:13 ... Mar 15 00:22:14 did you remove the installation media? Mar 15 00:22:18 nope Mar 15 00:22:21 holy shit Mar 15 00:22:29 ... Mar 15 00:23:10 * halfhalo walks away before he snaps Mar 15 00:23:53 ok then..... Mar 15 00:24:27 install it again, and when it tells you it's restarting and you should remove the live CD...do that Mar 15 00:24:39 I didn't use a liveCD Mar 15 00:24:44 I did in in vbox Mar 15 00:24:51 then you remove the iso Mar 15 00:24:54 from the vm Mar 15 00:25:03 i.e. "unmount Mar 15 00:25:08 " it or whatever it is called Mar 15 00:25:23 change the cdrom device back to "hardware" not "this installation .iso" Mar 15 00:25:38 however it sticks in your brain that that is a "cd" and you are now done with it Mar 15 00:26:07 ahh ok Mar 15 00:26:10 I'll try that Mar 15 00:26:59 I removed the .iso Mar 15 00:27:04 lets see if it works Mar 15 00:38:08 derp Mar 15 00:38:41 wb Mar 15 00:40:37 stupid dns propogation Mar 15 00:41:48 hmm is the webosroundup podcast going? Mar 15 00:41:57 not that I know of Mar 15 00:42:10 'evening rwhitby! Mar 15 00:43:04 * oil sees sugardave made it into their crapchat Mar 15 00:43:11 yep Mar 15 00:46:58 oil: I did, they really don't want new users to join the chat, I guess Mar 15 00:47:10 that is the crappies signup process I"ve done in a long time Mar 15 00:47:25 requiring registration means less chatters Mar 15 00:47:30 crappiesT Mar 15 00:47:48 who's in top right? Mar 15 00:47:58 plus, cookies didn't propagate into the flash or something so even after I signed up, it wouldn't log me in Mar 15 00:48:22 yea, just started for me Mar 15 00:48:24 * sugardave hopes this proves the depths of his funkatron love. Mar 15 00:48:55 you better Mar 15 00:48:55 who is in what corner? Mar 15 00:49:05 oh god, 3 videos all playing different ads? Mar 15 00:49:08 at the same time? Mar 15 00:49:21 I know Mar 15 00:49:28 mute button FTW Mar 15 00:49:40 * oil assumes funkatron is bottom left? Mar 15 00:49:48 probably Mar 15 00:49:58 he said he had an awesome ass-mustache Mar 15 00:49:58 the one without video Mar 15 00:49:58 funkatron is always late Mar 15 00:50:00 :) Mar 15 00:50:01 so, it must be Mar 15 00:50:02 * PatrickC ducks Mar 15 00:50:10 I have a moustache and beard, so Mar 15 00:50:13 you can recognize me Mar 15 00:50:18 what is this video chat thingy? Mar 15 00:50:34 the echoing is really really bad Mar 15 00:50:37 yes Mar 15 00:50:41 sugardave: say "ryan: use headphones" Mar 15 00:50:56 sugardave: tell them i would chat but their chat sucks Mar 15 00:51:31 oh, get rid of echo by muting all of them but top left Mar 15 00:51:38 I'm not sure they're looking at the chat :s Mar 15 00:52:02 morning Mar 15 00:52:07 oil: nice tip Mar 15 00:52:10 bottom right looks at keys when typing, hehe Mar 15 00:52:24 no Mar 15 00:52:25 lol Mar 15 00:52:25 can you guys see me? Mar 15 00:52:26 bottom right is not on for me Mar 15 00:52:28 srsly Mar 15 00:52:28 no Mar 15 00:52:31 yes funkatron Mar 15 00:52:34 funkatron: no here Mar 15 00:52:35 okay cool Mar 15 00:52:36 you're wearing a striped shirt Mar 15 00:52:37 no bottom right for me Mar 15 00:52:43 my lower left guy is not sporting a beard Mar 15 00:52:45 no bottom right for me Mar 15 00:52:51 funkatron: I'm unimportant :) Mar 15 00:52:53 * halfhalo dunnos what's going on Mar 15 00:52:59 * PatrickC is clueless Mar 15 00:53:03 * Tibfib refreshes page Mar 15 00:53:10 who's who?????? Mar 15 00:53:15 still no funkatron Mar 15 00:53:25 tell them irc is better chat Mar 15 00:53:25 which corner funkatron? Mar 15 00:53:29 it is Mar 15 00:54:18 use the webchat interface to IRC like we did the first time Mar 15 00:54:21 sugardave: that's ryan Mar 15 00:54:26 funkatron is on bottom right Mar 15 00:54:53 force reload, still no bottom right Mar 15 00:55:10 I just came up in a new FF session, no bottom right Mar 15 00:55:19 and ff won't load the chat box Mar 15 00:55:21 oh there's chat Mar 15 00:56:18 no bottom right Mar 15 00:58:38 funkatron is discriminating against some of us Mar 15 00:58:56 I have no control over this Mar 15 00:58:58 sorry folx Mar 15 00:59:36 * halfhalo sues Mar 15 01:00:58 it opens jessejstreet here TOO Mar 15 01:01:08 funkatron Mar 15 01:01:24 me 3 Mar 15 01:03:21 it was crappy, so I left Mar 15 01:03:48 everytime I reload I have to listen to 4 freaking ads in simulcast again Mar 15 01:03:53 reload fixed it! Mar 15 01:03:56 I can see you funkatron Mar 15 01:04:19 I wish I could Mar 15 01:05:16 funkatron has a sexy deep voice Mar 15 01:06:42 way to ruin it with your "hello!" Mar 15 01:06:55 wtf? No netflix streaming to ubuntu? Mar 15 01:07:11 it doesn't run in a browser? Mar 15 01:07:17 (neer tried it) Mar 15 01:07:39 netflix says not supported on my OS. Requires Windows or Mac Mar 15 01:08:29 i think you can trick it haeffb Mar 15 01:08:51 * haeffb googles Mar 15 01:08:54 change your useragent in chrome :) Mar 15 01:09:48 who is who .. i see 4 videos ? Mar 15 01:12:29 ah, requires silverlight Mar 15 01:12:41 wine! Mar 15 01:12:42 boo Mar 15 01:13:18 * oil waits for todays shirt.woot to go into the reckoning so he can buy one Mar 15 01:14:37 * haeffb will dual boot. bbl. Mar 15 01:19:12 yeah, bastards don't support moonlight either Mar 15 01:19:17 wb haeffb Mar 15 01:19:25 that's the reason my htpcs are windows Mar 15 01:19:38 sugardave- who is who on ustream ? Mar 15 01:21:51 top left is roy-pre101 Mar 15 01:21:57 bottom left is funkatron Mar 15 01:22:08 the other two dont irc afaik, idk who they are Mar 15 01:22:11 bottom left has no mustache for me Mar 15 01:22:18 you have a cached version Mar 15 01:22:31 or something else messed up Mar 15 01:22:54 is *crtl F5* force refresh? Mar 15 01:23:23 there are people that don't IRC? Mar 15 01:23:32 I know Mar 15 01:23:36 that's what I thought Mar 15 01:23:41 yeah, but we dont care about them Mar 15 01:23:53 feel free to chat koto player funkatron if you don't have any ideas 8) Mar 15 01:24:14 live webOSradio podcast! Mar 15 01:24:29 we should be using the IRC for chat :p Mar 15 01:24:54 Loudergood: to be fair, I lerned about MUDs before I learned about IRC, so I didn't IRC for the first time until 1993 and I never got hooked Mar 15 01:25:10 I see you funkatron Mar 15 01:25:15 s/lerned/learned Mar 15 01:25:16 * haeffb didn't irc until late 2009 Mar 15 01:25:32 when I lerned about #webos Mar 15 01:25:36 maybe early 2010 Mar 15 01:25:47 * PatrickC didn't irc till 2010/2011 Mar 15 01:25:59 we know Mar 15 01:26:05 :) Mar 15 01:26:53 * cwayne has to irc for work Mar 15 01:26:55 grrr. now windows wants to download a bunhc of updates Mar 15 01:27:03 I'm going to stop telling these stories, they make me seem old Mar 15 01:27:10 ah, paint.net, my old friend! Mar 15 01:27:53 lol, I never did stumble on to muds, thank god Mar 15 01:27:59 yes, be glad Mar 15 01:28:01 had to close :'( Mar 15 01:28:05 ruined my college career Mar 15 01:28:13 being very sluggish Mar 15 01:28:28 how come sugardave? :) Mar 15 01:28:31 java installer download was interfering with my netflix Mar 15 01:28:32 CounterStrike amongst other things ruined my first attempt Mar 15 01:28:46 mostly other things though Mar 15 01:29:01 PatrickC: because all I did was play MUD 24 hours a day is my best guess Mar 15 01:29:18 1993 I was stuck in BBS land I think Mar 15 01:29:52 haha sugardave, old man Mar 15 01:29:57 my only web browser at the time was lynx on one of those BBSs Mar 15 01:30:27 heh, I was using archie/gopher to find shit Mar 15 01:30:51 that and I used prodigy for msdos for awhile Mar 15 01:30:57 man 2400 baud was slow Mar 15 01:31:03 dkirker: ping! Mar 15 01:31:12 lolol Mar 15 01:31:15 * oil first video game was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune_(video_game) Mar 15 01:31:25 PatrickC: pong Mar 15 01:31:36 oh the learning company...oh wow Mar 15 01:32:10 wow... Mar 15 01:32:19 my first video game on a "pc" was carmen sandiego on the C64...and I didn't have one at home... Mar 15 01:32:22 haven't heard that name in a while... lol Mar 15 01:33:18 heh, I was 8, and it was awesome Mar 15 01:33:24 however, the lack of audio in the wor live podcast now makes it pointless Mar 15 01:33:34 who had a Sega Gennisis? :) Mar 15 01:33:42 * oil never had sega Mar 15 01:33:46 best system ever Mar 15 01:33:54 wow oil Mar 15 01:33:55 we were a nintendo house Mar 15 01:34:01 sega rockd! Mar 15 01:34:05 well, after the atari 2600 that is Mar 15 01:34:07 also used to waste hours at my friend's house playing maniac mansion Mar 15 01:34:08 which i still havein the closet Mar 15 01:34:25 firefly, episode 1, up and running Mar 15 01:34:30 oil: did you give up? Mar 15 01:34:40 give up on what? Mar 15 01:34:44 podcast Mar 15 01:34:50 haeffb: first time? Mar 15 01:34:54 no more audio Mar 15 01:35:01 yep Mar 15 01:35:08 enjoy Mar 15 01:35:14 watching them talk without being able to hear it = waste of my time Mar 15 01:35:26 PatrickC: it was called a sega genesis IIRC Mar 15 01:36:25 one of the first games I played on my VIC-20 (!) was an instrument only flight simulator Mar 15 01:37:07 * Tibfib gives up Mar 15 01:37:09 on podcast Mar 15 01:37:39 I gave up a while aho Mar 15 01:37:40 * Loudergood feeds PatrickC to a grue Mar 15 01:37:45 s/aho/ao Mar 15 01:37:59 s/ao/ago Mar 15 01:38:16 need that trailing slash Mar 15 01:38:30 true Mar 15 01:38:40 I sweear, css hates me Mar 15 01:39:15 css hates everyone Mar 15 01:39:42 css is awesome Mar 15 01:39:49 css is awful Mar 15 01:40:00 cue css is awesome mug picture... Mar 15 01:40:14 http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/css-is-awesome-20090407-142244.jpg Mar 15 01:40:16 ta-da! Mar 15 01:40:22 heh Mar 15 01:41:03 oh that's fantastic Mar 15 01:41:49 :) Mar 15 01:42:25 oil: got that one on your desktop next to Puff's button graphical representation? Mar 15 01:42:39 haha, no that one can be found with a quick GIS Mar 15 01:42:42 no need for desktop placement Mar 15 01:42:52 http://omploader.org/vMms1OA Mar 15 01:42:59 i do keep that link in a txt document though Mar 15 01:43:37 you should do a UI for wIRC like the crayon one for WebOSMarks, but in Puff's style instead Mar 15 01:43:54 lol Mar 15 01:44:20 that'd be an awesome theme for @spaz special edition too Mar 15 01:44:32 oil: is that a serious picture? Mar 15 01:44:33 lol Mar 15 01:44:38 for a button? Mar 15 01:44:49 puff made it to explain his idea for old freetether ui Mar 15 01:44:56 hahaahahahah Mar 15 01:44:58 Tibfib: hey, that's the UI paper prototype for freeTether Mar 15 01:45:21 "freeTether UI architectural diagram" Mar 15 01:45:46 lol Mar 15 01:45:57 lol Mar 15 01:47:14 WOOOHHOOO got it to work right Mar 15 01:47:21 scrollfades? Mar 15 01:47:23 yay Mar 15 01:47:24 yeah Mar 15 01:47:26 haha Mar 15 01:47:27 nice Mar 15 01:47:35 hehe Mar 15 01:47:50 oil: the stupid css wanted to make the alpha scroller items box 50 pixels longer than the background Mar 15 01:47:55 * PatrickC needs to figure out what he is having for dinner Mar 15 01:48:09 hm Mar 15 01:48:13 chicken nuggets. Mar 15 01:48:20 lol Mar 15 01:48:24 where is the nugget on the chicken? Mar 15 01:48:34 I was actually thinking that cwayne :p Mar 15 01:48:43 I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't mention Yule Log... Mar 15 01:48:43 "Lego StarWars III" Mar 15 01:49:20 I thought we already covered all the episodes in I+II Mar 15 01:49:42 you mean 4 and 5? Mar 15 01:50:09 I mean "Lego Starwars 1 and 2" Mar 15 01:50:16 then we did the "Complete Saga" Mar 15 01:50:34 now we have another one after the "Complete Saga" and its "III" Mar 15 01:59:47 Tibfib: gettin' some love Mar 15 01:59:59 sugardave: oh? Mar 15 02:00:02 bow chicka bow bowwwwww Mar 15 02:00:43 sugardave: over now? Mar 15 02:01:34 DANGIT Mar 15 02:01:46 got an ad right when I tuned in so I missed the rest Mar 15 02:02:04 yeah, you will have to listen to the recording Mar 15 02:02:18 they did a music player showdown section Mar 15 02:02:23 its recorded? Mar 15 02:02:24 oh? Mar 15 02:02:26 who won? Mar 15 02:02:42 I think it's recorded, since they talked about recording it Mar 15 02:02:56 Tibfib: all of them, Koto, ReMix and Amigo Mar 15 02:02:58 I hope it is Mar 15 02:03:05 then I'll listen to it tonight Mar 15 02:03:09 sugardave: they all won? Mar 15 02:03:32 the guy said you should check them all out, but Ed was the one that picked Koto :) Mar 15 02:03:40 because you made a Koto theme for Spaz Mar 15 02:03:41 Yay! Mar 15 02:03:51 go Ed! Mar 15 02:04:50 * PatrickC hopes it was recorded Mar 15 02:05:48 is it over? Mar 15 02:05:51 no Mar 15 02:06:09 how do I log into this thing?... Mar 15 02:06:17 dkirker: the chat? Mar 15 02:06:21 yup Mar 15 02:06:21 just type something Mar 15 02:06:27 then you have to login/signup Mar 15 02:06:28 as a Guest? Mar 15 02:06:31 nope Mar 15 02:06:33 no guesting Mar 15 02:06:35 fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Mar 15 02:06:37 it's dumb Mar 15 02:08:01 man, this is killer http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2011/3/14/apples-role-in-japan-during-the-tohoku-earthquake.html Mar 15 02:09:30 sugardave: can you see my posts? Mar 15 02:10:27 Tibfib: who are you? Mar 15 02:10:35 Tibfib Mar 15 02:10:40 no Mar 15 02:12:22 what the crap Mar 15 02:12:24 I can't sign in Mar 15 02:13:45 sugardave: can you see me in there? Mar 15 02:13:47 sugardave: can you post this for me: Special Sneak Peek of Koto Player for WOR Radio [http://]i539.photobucket[DOT]com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/scrollfade2.png Mar 15 02:14:39 dkirker: yes Mar 15 02:14:45 great! Mar 15 02:14:49 it worked :/ Mar 15 02:15:15 sugardave: por favor? Mar 15 02:15:32 Tibfib: got it Mar 15 02:15:37 sugardave: thank you! Mar 15 02:16:14 Tibfib: hey, can see you now Mar 15 02:16:16 :) Mar 15 02:16:17 me too! Mar 15 02:16:17 lol Mar 15 02:16:19 thanks! Mar 15 02:17:19 lol http://twitter.com/wfleurant/status/47480428868812800 Mar 15 02:18:25 link fail Mar 15 02:19:47 Tibfib: looks beautiful! Mar 15 02:19:52 thank you! Mar 15 02:20:32 link doesn't work for me Mar 15 02:21:28 PatrickC: http://twitpic.com/49lj98 Mar 15 02:22:26 Tibfib: where are the scroll fades for the main list? :P Mar 15 02:22:32 blah blah :) Mar 15 02:22:35 hahaha Mar 15 02:22:43 I'll add them right now you babies Mar 15 02:22:45 ;) Mar 15 02:27:09 do et! Mar 15 02:27:40 netflix not liking this wifi Mar 15 02:35:05 /scrollfade2.png :) Mar 15 02:35:55 pfft, scrollfades are so ughhhhlllyyyyyy Mar 15 02:36:05 lol Mar 15 02:36:23 I use the arrows Mar 15 02:37:25 I let the user user their imagination Mar 15 02:37:39 yeah, either use arrows or space your content such that it's obvious that it continues on past the visible contents Mar 15 02:37:49 if they want scrollfades, pretend there are scrollfades Mar 15 02:37:56 if they want arrows, pretend there are arrows Mar 15 02:38:21 hmm there are now mild screen fades Mar 15 02:38:24 scroll Mar 15 02:38:30 cool Mar 15 02:38:31 maybe I should make them bigger Mar 15 02:39:07 if its a fixed position and height on the right, you should make it better :) Mar 15 02:39:24 * oil wonders where the source is to fix this shit :) Mar 15 02:39:40 it's in the ipk Mar 15 02:39:47 your an ipk Mar 15 02:40:09 waaaiiit a second Mar 15 02:40:14 * oil thought koto was oss? Mar 15 02:40:16 nice tibfib Mar 15 02:40:27 oil: fix what? Mar 15 02:40:34 koto is oss Mar 15 02:40:35 it is, I think, but the source can't get posted while the 2.0 SDK is under NDA Mar 15 02:40:40 that^ Mar 15 02:41:43 oil: there you whiner! scroll fades! Mar 15 02:41:44 :/ Mar 15 02:42:36 looks good :) Mar 15 02:44:50 what would people pay for a web browser? (And if there is a feature that you want that would get you to pay that price, what is it?) Mar 15 02:45:25 honestly? nothing. The built in one works fine for me on most, if not all, platforms Mar 15 02:45:40 I just don't see the value Mar 15 02:45:54 :( Mar 15 02:46:03 I think it is too feature lacking Mar 15 02:46:16 It'd have to do something pretty big to really get me interested Mar 15 02:46:42 Safari/Chrome extension support would be one of those big things. :p Mar 15 02:47:09 faster, more options (like changing user agent and other fancy stuff), and don't do "tabs" do cards like the default browser Mar 15 02:47:36 but i probably wouldnt pay more then $5 for it Mar 15 02:47:42 yeah the only "tabs" feature that should exist when stacks exists stock would be something like Expose Mar 15 02:47:50 where it shows you -all- of the browser cards right there Mar 15 02:47:57 yeah Mar 15 02:47:58 to jump from one end of the 'stack' to the other Mar 15 02:48:05 regardless of what might be in between Mar 15 02:48:07 cards and stacks are perfect Mar 15 02:48:13 no need to do anything else but one window per card Mar 15 02:48:20 * halfhalo wants a table view for all cards in webos Mar 15 02:48:52 http://www.flickr.com/photos/dkirker/5517771997/ Mar 15 02:48:59 searches all of your open tabs Mar 15 02:49:11 hmmm Mar 15 02:49:14 interesting Mar 15 02:49:23 dkirker: is it a skin on the webview widget? Mar 15 02:49:24 * halfhalo is slightly intrigued Mar 15 02:49:48 the visual history looks cool though :) Mar 15 02:49:54 I don't know, while cool, that runs into two problems for me: it's tiny, and near useless, and from a UI/UX standpoint could be done a lot better Mar 15 02:49:58 * halfhalo wants a demo Mar 15 02:50:26 oil: Yeah, at the moment. I think there would be too much of a performance hit otherwise. Well... I have some options, but I would easily hit the 200MB limit by doing otherwise. Mar 15 02:50:28 SineOt: maybe about same sized, but zoomed in more Mar 15 02:50:31 SineOt: How so? Mar 15 02:50:42 heyasz! Mar 15 02:52:12 dkirker: have you ever used expose on OSX? Mar 15 02:52:36 SineOt: A few times. Mar 15 02:53:26 * halfhalo votes dkirker makes videyo demo Mar 15 02:53:54 halfhalo: Alright, I'll try to whip up something. Anybody know what I can use to record an emulator session? Mar 15 02:53:56 dkirker: if the "open tabs" had their own UI aspect, instead of being stuck into the URL bar, I just feel like it would 'flow' better with how it functions in basically every other webbrowser around Mar 15 02:54:15 as well as letting you offer more screen space to display the content of the tabs Mar 15 02:54:24 instead of a... like row and a half in a list widget Mar 15 02:54:38 are those tabs or history? Mar 15 02:54:43 SineOt: Ok. Basically, the drop down is just a search, so it actually does not show you all of your tabs. But I could actually have a display for all tabs. Mar 15 02:54:52 Ah Mar 15 02:55:19 Well I figured that's what it was doing: but even just searching within tabs would probably function better visually if it was afforded its own UI Mar 15 02:56:10 SineOt: vicious ;P Mar 15 02:56:26 Tibfib: is it? :( Mar 15 02:56:38 I'm not trying to be vicious Mar 15 02:56:51 SineOt: Sure. Not sure that I will do that for searching the tabs, I think, but I will probably put in a quick view of all tabs. Mar 15 02:57:28 I think if you cloned the "just type" from the 2.0 and stuck it in with the quick tab view, you could easily meld the two into something Mar 15 02:57:46 yeah, I was just thinking about that Mar 15 02:58:21 oh, right, you sent me a beta email earlier today, right? Mar 15 02:58:25 see also: the history search in Safari 5 Mar 15 02:58:30 dkirker: quite possibly! Mar 15 02:59:09 dkirker: hey can you whip up a patch to make universe the default browser? Mar 15 02:59:15 I knew I recognized the username. Anyway, I'll send you a copy so that you can play with it. There is a serious bug with the preferences, but that will be fixed in a new release coming later this evening. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:56 2011