**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 19 02:59:56 2011 Mar 19 03:03:22 What is twitter for mac? Don't people just use the website Mar 19 03:03:38 The website is ass. Mar 19 03:08:18 Oh, yeah, Twitter for Mac: http://cl.ly/1r2v1l3J3K3E1S2e021q Mar 19 03:33:41 Don't see why I would need an app for twitter Mar 19 03:33:49 On home pc Mar 19 03:41:38 cwalker123: rememeber, the website used to be pretty bare bones Mar 19 03:51:30 * oil wonders when Tibfib is going to be here to look at his screenshot: http://i56.tinypic.com/23mls07.png Mar 19 03:53:39 The app came out recently Mar 19 04:03:29 Does the new sdk bring webos to the same leve as android api wise? Mar 19 04:04:06 Depends on what you want, but it opens up a LOT of things that were previously lacking Mar 19 04:14:53 is it possible to load a javascript file manually? I want to load it only under certain conditions... Mar 19 04:16:54 oil: also, that looks very geeky :) Mar 19 04:21:04 That's good to know. It only took 2 years Mar 19 04:22:17 cwalker123: let's see how it evolves under the hp brand Mar 19 04:23:03 R Mar 19 04:24:21 yay, the migrations thingy works :) I still want to postpone the loading though Mar 19 04:26:25 ah, w00ps, found it in the api itself. For irc logs: Mojo.loadScriptWithCallback( path, callback , optional ); Mar 19 04:33:20 just wanted to double-check: with the 2.1 sdk that is available now, there still isn't any mic or camera access, correct? Mar 19 04:33:39 * oil thought it brought mic access? Mar 19 04:33:43 other than the old "take a picture, pass back to app" camera service Mar 19 04:33:45 i haven't seen anything about camera access Mar 19 04:33:51 beyond what you mentioned Mar 19 04:33:57 it does have mic access? Mar 19 04:34:26 yes, I think so Mar 19 04:34:48 yeah, there is a few note recording type apps out Mar 19 04:35:03 dunno about camera at least Mar 19 04:35:26 Ok. That's why I figured I'd come here and check. I did a quick look through the system services on the dev site and didn't see any mention of it. Mar 19 04:35:40 well Mar 19 04:35:47 the docs have always been bad Mar 19 04:35:50 heh Mar 19 04:35:57 :-) True Mar 19 04:36:02 yeah, real bad haha Mar 19 04:36:02 best bet: download the sdk and peek through Mar 19 04:36:16 there could be a sample Mar 19 04:36:19 or some mention of it in there Mar 19 04:36:19 and dig around in places you wouldn't have normally thought of Mar 19 04:36:28 same with the webOS doctors to pick them apart Mar 19 04:36:41 Yup. Stuck at work for now and busy this weekend. On my todo list for next week though. Mar 19 04:37:43 Thanks! Mar 19 04:37:53 np Mar 19 04:44:11 what is the equivalent of "##786#" on a GSM phone? Mar 19 04:45:16 hay dkirker Mar 19 04:53:25 hi PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 19 04:53:38 How's it goin? Mar 19 04:55:03 How's universe comin? Mar 19 04:57:39 Dkirker: did you see this? Mar 19 04:57:40 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.gpimports.completebrowser&applicationid=8130 Mar 19 04:58:03 * oil shakes fist at taking interface space for "tabs" Mar 19 04:58:30 yeah, I saw that Mar 19 04:58:39 That should be an app for the *tab* comin out Mar 19 04:58:42 Not the phones Mar 19 04:58:45 It looks hideous... Mar 19 04:58:49 Yea Mar 19 04:59:20 it follows no common UI with webOS Mar 19 04:59:26 wait, no, it does with 1 item Mar 19 04:59:35 the page loading "pie" Mar 19 05:00:15 And the "clear cache" button Mar 19 05:00:45 I wouldn't pay $0.99 for it Mar 19 05:00:51 $0.50 maybe Mar 19 05:00:53 :p Mar 19 05:01:05 dkirker: like I said, breaking common UI can work... if you don't do it stupid Mar 19 05:01:11 that app does it pretty stupid Mar 19 05:01:34 SineOt: Well, yeah. I have seen only a few instances where it has worked. That app is not one of them. Mar 19 05:02:05 Most were back in the PalmOS days (TealPoint did a decent job). Mar 19 05:03:11 Can you migrate from a Pilot to a webOS device? Mar 19 05:03:37 yes, but it isn't easy Mar 19 05:03:40 A friend asked me Mar 19 05:03:43 How hard? Mar 19 05:05:18 Doesn't Palm provide a tool for that? Mar 19 05:05:26 I didn't see one Mar 19 05:05:29 I'll look again Mar 19 05:05:37 didcha google for it? :I Mar 19 05:05:45 pretty sure it's called Data Migration Assistant Mar 19 05:05:59 Is the pilot PalmOS? Mar 19 05:06:08 I didn't think it was Mar 19 05:06:34 The Palm Pilot? :I Mar 19 05:06:42 What else would it run? Android? Mar 19 05:06:48 WindowsCE? Mar 19 05:06:52 I thought PalmOS was for the Treo Mar 19 05:07:02 And things of that natur Mar 19 05:07:08 S/natur/natur Mar 19 05:07:20 S/natur/natur/nature/ Mar 19 05:09:19 Well, now that I know *that* I can show him the DTA Mar 19 05:09:22 Thanks sineot Mar 19 05:11:47 no problem :p Mar 19 05:11:57 just well... work on your googlefu! Mar 19 05:12:16 Lol ok Mar 19 05:12:54 I wish we could change the brightness of exhibition mode Mar 19 05:19:03 Night all Mar 19 05:19:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 looks forward to the next Universe! Mar 19 05:27:29 ugh, stupid xcode ;_; Mar 19 05:27:38 nearly 4GB just for Make Mar 19 08:27:49 what's new Mar 19 08:34:07 anyone alive Mar 19 08:50:34 yep Mar 19 12:52:36 good morning Mar 19 12:54:58 Sprint announcing some sweet phones Mar 19 13:31:04 2.1 is official since yesterday, but they forget to update the eclipse site i think *write to pdc* Mar 19 13:31:38 $L("Greetings!"); Mar 19 13:31:53 hi haeff :D Mar 19 13:33:03 I also noticed no updates available in eclipse Mar 19 13:58:30 ack Mar 19 13:58:43 having some issue with eclipse plugin anyway Mar 19 13:59:21 when a project is run, and connection with emulator is lost, processor + local net IO hog the system untill you shutdown eclipse Mar 19 15:12:47 SimpsonCH: got that too (ubuntu) Mar 19 15:13:31 and strangely, in my new app that processes JSON feeds, i have everything empty since update - but on device the data is displayed :/ Mar 19 15:13:34 leiru, okay, thats good to know ( ubuntu as well ) Mar 19 15:13:53 both 2.1 (device and emulator) Mar 19 15:14:34 that definetly makes development very slow, having no functional emulator. Mar 19 15:15:00 i think i grae down again Mar 19 15:15:02 meh Mar 19 15:17:01 SimpsonCH: you wrote to pdc already (ubuntu cpu eating) Mar 19 15:17:03 ẞẞ Mar 19 15:17:06 ?? Mar 19 15:29:30 leiru, no Mar 19 15:35:17 i suppose, they made the official release too fast. Mar 19 15:36:27 since yesterday i submitted 4 bugs. Mar 19 15:37:00 :| Mar 19 15:37:46 has the documentation always been that incomplete? Mar 19 15:39:52 the one for online-browsing seems to be the old 1.4.5 doc Mar 19 15:40:17 there's a now a zip, i did not watch in it yet Mar 19 15:41:09 have checked documentaiton in there - search is absent (( Mar 19 15:41:32 what myself makes angry, i installed the official release now, and there are so many major bugs, that i definetly cannot develop with it (empty widgets in emulator, CPU usage...) Mar 19 15:41:51 will return to 1.4.5 lol Mar 19 15:44:47 however, in docs from that zip there's definetely more information than in online Mar 19 15:46:50 leiru: looks like it is public, thanks for noting it here :) Mar 19 15:47:17 madnificent: yes since yesterday Mar 19 15:48:03 and it is buggy as hell Mar 19 15:48:35 leiru: at least that means that we can talk about it in here :) Mar 19 15:48:41 the installer won't even finish on my 2nd machine Mar 19 15:48:50 * madnificent will not dev for it until he has a WebOS 2 enabled phone Mar 19 15:49:02 even though I'd love to dev on it Mar 19 15:51:56 Lichtlos: after i waited 20min i had to notice that all my widgets are empty - in relation to filled widgets on my 2.1 device. can't develop with that release. Mar 19 15:52:06 definetly a dead birth for 2.1 Mar 19 15:57:36 leiru: but hey, they did keep their promise on releasing the SDK!!11 Mar 19 15:57:39 madnificent: you can have both emu's installed at the same time Mar 19 15:57:51 (I think it's crap) Mar 19 15:58:18 after all this time of testing /the early access programm Mar 19 15:58:38 how can a company as big as HP/Palm release ...this? Mar 19 15:58:43 Lichtlos: yes - personally i would have waited 2 weeks more and then get a release that i can use Mar 19 16:00:37 leiru: but how many weeks have developers had to wait already Mar 19 16:02:14 haeffb: thing is, I don't want to dev for something I can't use Mar 19 16:02:27 madnificent: good point Mar 19 16:02:51 haeffb: and I can't afford a pre2 yet. Therefore: either my app makes me gazilion monopoly money dollars, or I will not dev for it :) Mar 19 16:03:09 ok. just saying you can install the 2.1 SDK and still dev for 1.4.5 Mar 19 16:03:48 haeffb: thanks for the information though, although I can't imagine how it would be impossible, I can imagine me (or anyone else) not knowing it is possible. Mar 19 16:04:13 (assuming the 2.1 SDK will actually install) Mar 19 16:04:56 well, it's a little more than possible. The 1.4.5 images remain in VB when you install 2.1 SDK Mar 19 16:05:19 haeffb: and after install, not showing every widget empty, in opposite of a 2.1 device. Mar 19 16:05:39 and I apologize if I'm providing information you already know. Mar 19 16:05:45 leiru: what widgets? Mar 19 16:06:17 i definetly not getting this sense of humor they have, because in old version it did not appear. Mar 19 16:06:56 listwidgets and even divs i give a innerHTML / innerText from my json. Mar 19 16:07:00 all my pages are empty. Mar 19 16:07:28 and as i said: doesn't happen on device or on older versions Mar 19 16:07:33 GNAH Mar 19 16:07:53 hapens in the emulator? Mar 19 16:07:57 yes. Mar 19 16:08:02 strange... Mar 19 16:08:26 leiru: are you getting any errors in the logs? Mar 19 16:08:48 I know that the 2.1 JSON interpreter is more strict than 1.4.5 Mar 19 16:09:11 perhaps that's the issue? Mar 19 16:09:13 no errors, and the json is processed correctly and there i i log it out Mar 19 16:09:23 *if i log it Mar 19 16:10:24 * haeffb installing 2.1 SDK to see what's up Mar 19 16:11:14 starting emu Mar 19 16:12:16 haeffb: and my 2.1 pre 2 shows all data - so it cant be a stricter-json-problem belonging to 2.1 Mar 19 16:12:20 hp logo Mar 19 16:13:28 no problems for me Mar 19 16:13:36 app runs just fine in 2.1 emu Mar 19 16:13:48 on Ubuntu 10.10 Mar 19 16:16:29 WindowsXP, innerHTML works Mar 19 16:16:41 tested with UberAppCat Mar 19 16:20:08 ubuntu 9.10 - vbox 3.x Mar 19 16:20:50 to be sure, i now start the laptop where an older 2.x SDK is installed. Mar 19 16:20:50 vbox 3.0.12 Mar 19 16:49:31 okay. was a bug in the app, old sdk did not show json too - and new and old sdk showed json from other apps i wrote. Mar 19 16:50:35 haeffb: do you use eclipse with plugin? Mar 19 16:51:15 morning Mar 19 16:51:31 leiru, I do not see anything you describe Mar 19 16:52:02 leiru, my app with generating list items from json works stil fine Mar 19 16:59:00 huh, finally made it here :) Mar 19 17:00:41 optionally loading files is cool :) Mar 19 17:00:45 hello dvdmon Mar 19 17:00:58 hey Mar 19 17:01:24 leiru: so the api wal decent? (just trying to confirm the quality of it) Mar 19 17:01:30 s/decent/correct/ Mar 19 17:04:12 after changing machine, reinstalling it and testing another app it wasn't reproducable. (empty widgets) Mar 19 17:04:38 was a bug in the app itself. Mar 19 17:04:52 or do you mean the CPU usage with the plugin? Mar 19 17:05:05 or the documentation? Mar 19 17:06:09 leiru: if I conclude that your issue at hand wasn't an issue with the SDK, but that the plugin is still buggy (I will not use eclipse anyways) and that the documentation is horrible, then I'd have a fair current summation of the new SDK? Mar 19 17:06:30 s/current summation/summation of the current state/ Mar 19 17:07:20 i don't think the doc is horrible. Mar 19 17:08:47 ah ok, good to know Mar 19 17:09:29 * madnificent tries to upgrade the database manually one last time. Mar 19 17:10:17 didn't watch into the doc-zip yet, i have to say. ;) Mar 19 17:10:56 LoL Mar 19 17:11:34 leiru: yes, I do Mar 19 17:11:42 I haven't updated the plugin for 2.1 yet Mar 19 17:12:45 SimpsonCH & me noticed some high cpu-usage of eclipse. Mar 19 17:12:54 maybe you can confirm that. Mar 19 17:13:32 SimpsonCH: http://www.abload.de/img/screenytn6.png Mar 19 17:13:38 seems to be the java. Mar 19 17:32:34 :-* hello ninjas! Mar 19 17:32:50 that way if no one is there I can feel like you are all invisible Mar 19 17:34:03 i will pass my next ninja assignment now: buying filters for coffee :) Mar 19 17:34:08 bbl Mar 19 17:37:08 say i'd want to add an exebition part to my app where would I find documentation for that :/ Mar 19 17:43:14 govnah source code ;) Mar 19 17:43:47 are you kidding me? Mar 19 17:43:57 UTSL Mar 19 17:49:13 Searching the site for Exhibition gives me nothing :( not even the forums Mar 19 17:50:13 I presume you've looked in the 2.1 docs already. Mar 19 17:52:33 are the docs an actualy doc file or is it samplecode? Mar 19 17:54:30 thomaschaaf: it's on the SDK download page for 2.1 Mar 19 17:54:59 re Mar 19 17:55:23 head-> wall Mar 19 18:23:55 so Mar 19 18:23:56 let me Mar 19 18:24:00 get this straight Mar 19 18:24:06 no more NDA for webOS SDK 2.1? Mar 19 18:24:12 right Mar 19 18:24:15 YAY Mar 19 18:24:51 can't wait for That Other Cool Thing to be de-REDACTified. Mar 19 18:25:09 by which I mean Enyo. Mar 19 18:26:01 Well, if the touchpad is out in June, should be by then or at least soon afterwards. Mar 19 18:26:13 :) Mar 19 18:26:24 what gets called first stagecontroller or appcontroller? Mar 19 18:26:32 or is stagecontroller obsolete? Mar 19 18:26:54 also Mar 19 18:26:58 let me get this straight #2 Mar 19 18:26:59 app controller calls stage controller calls scene controller Mar 19 18:27:20 can Node.js services use sockets directly? do I use the normal Node.js syntax? Mar 19 18:27:36 I see there's some superstructure on services, not sure exactly how it fits. Mar 19 18:27:59 millenomi: it's been a few months since I messed with node.js, but I had it answering on arbitrary ports via tcp server Mar 19 18:28:15 that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Mar 19 18:28:21 :D Mar 19 18:28:45 millenomi: I had weirdness when trying to get the http stream to fire when connecting via Ajax.Request, but it worked fine with straigh xhr Mar 19 18:28:48 it was odd Mar 19 18:28:51 millenomi: look at creationix's latest sftp-server in node on github Mar 19 18:29:14 unless I just skipped on important stuff without realizing Mar 19 18:29:25 the docs weren't 100% clear on how to package services Mar 19 18:29:51 I just looked at the sample dir structure, then you call palm-package on each one Mar 19 18:30:04 then palm-install the resulting .ipk Mar 19 18:30:07 ok Mar 19 18:30:25 I'll have to read up on declaring, exporting, lifecycle etc. Mar 19 18:30:26 palm-package [appdir] [pkg dir] [srv dir] Mar 19 18:30:49 I can finally build my app on webOS :D :D :D Mar 19 18:30:54 dunno if I'll do it Mar 19 18:31:02 it'd be a significant time investment Mar 19 18:31:04 but still :D Mar 19 18:31:31 I just wanted to say how easy development with exhebition was until my phone just restarted because it wanted to Mar 19 18:33:40 thomaschaaf: same issue here Mar 19 18:33:59 i tried to draw lissajous figures on it :) Mar 19 18:45:37 ok: correct me if (when) I'm wrong Mar 19 18:46:07 I make a service assistant (like the Hello one in the sample); in it I can invoke Node.js API calls, right? Mar 19 18:46:45 eg. var Net = require('Net'); and later in run(): Net(...).listen(12345); Mar 19 18:47:15 millenomi: did you look at the sftp-server? Mar 19 18:47:31 it's a yes iif the server is https://github.com/creationix/sftp-server/ Mar 19 18:47:53 yeah, so anything in that should be able to go in a service. you'll be jailed of course. Mar 19 18:48:10 okay. Mar 19 18:48:17 looks good. Mar 19 18:48:38 the assistant handles service calls from the app, and that does all the IPCing I might need, right? it's just an extra. Mar 19 18:48:51 handling serviceRequest() calls and all. Mar 19 18:49:10 if yes == I'm in the right frame of mind == all's right with the world. :) Mar 19 19:04:51 getting super annoyed with the appcontroller.. Mar 19 19:05:46 http://pastie.org/1690293 why is it opening main twice?! Mar 19 19:07:30 thomaschaaf: had same issue too. maybe a bug in the sample? Mar 19 19:08:57 did not investigate that further, as emulator-bug just shows black screen and device is rebooting. annoying. Mar 19 19:09:20 not only the emulator.. Mar 19 19:09:43 okay so I guess exhebition can suck it for now then.. Mar 19 19:12:25 woa: http://map.baidu.com/?newmap=1&l=19&tn=B_DIMENSIONAL_MAP&c=636956,9446462&cc=bj&s=cur%26wd%3D%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E5%B8%82%26ie%3Dutf-8&sc=0 I want that for maps Mar 19 19:16:06 exhebition? xD Mar 19 19:16:35 MapTool gets exhibition Mar 19 19:16:56 nice, 3D map... Mar 19 19:17:53 the problem with the example for exhibition is: that it opens another stage Mar 19 19:18:16 for the exhibition, not something what you might want always Mar 19 19:18:39 thomaschaaf: have you set nowindow to true in the appinfo? Mar 19 19:19:10 apps set to the current exhibition screen also stay running in the background Mar 19 19:19:34 hmm Mar 19 19:19:51 I dunno if I can do a koto player exhibition mode properly Mar 19 19:19:56 phail Mar 19 19:19:58 I'll have to check it out Mar 19 19:20:06 Tibfib: http://i56.tinypic.com/23mls07.png :) Mar 19 19:20:21 oil: hahaha Mar 19 19:20:35 did you add the "email log" option yet? Mar 19 19:20:40 lol no Mar 19 19:20:49 yes, they stay active Mar 19 19:22:10 just rebooted as i try @ exhibition again Mar 19 19:22:18 :D Mar 19 19:22:24 oil: dangit oil Mar 19 19:22:28 Tibfib: lumbo is open source, feel free :) Mar 19 19:22:36 get it on github and I would Mar 19 19:22:47 no access to wi repo? Mar 19 19:22:49 wtf? Mar 19 19:22:51 it's a nice way to create a windowsless background mojo app: make it an exhibition app and when it ends it runs endless... Mar 19 19:22:59 oil: I don't currently have access Mar 19 19:23:08 well someone should set you up Mar 19 19:23:21 yeah Mar 19 19:23:27 * Tibfib needs to post koto source to github too~! Mar 19 19:23:34 dundunDUN!!!! Mar 19 19:23:37 MetaView_: only the currently active app is running in the background Mar 19 19:23:44 hmm Mar 19 19:23:54 active exhibition* Mar 19 19:23:59 not the others, they're killed Mar 19 19:25:25 anyways, ill think about a email option once i finish with this wirc stuff, and finish the timing scene in lumbo :) Mar 19 19:25:45 oil: it'd be really easy Mar 19 19:26:12 easy like.... Mar 19 19:26:15 oil: can lumberjack turn on the timing loging? Mar 19 19:26:17 helping oil flesh out this file: Mar 19 19:26:18 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob_plain;f=app/models/help.js;hb=HEAD Mar 19 19:26:19 ? Mar 19 19:26:30 Tibfib: no Mar 19 19:27:00 oil: what do you want to do with the file? Mar 19 19:27:12 type in all the help text Mar 19 19:27:18 explaining what every option does Mar 19 19:27:27 (that drives the help toggle/form overlays) Mar 19 19:28:01 ah Mar 19 19:28:24 I'll happily help flesh that out later on if no one else has taken it Mar 19 19:28:32 SineOt: sweet Mar 19 19:28:56 and if you dont understand any of the features, just skip it Mar 19 19:29:52 ha! Mar 19 19:29:54 got it Mar 19 19:30:04 MetaView_: no I haven't why would I need to? Mar 19 19:30:06 omoco submitted a better example Mar 19 19:30:18 maybe he should write the tech-docs and examples @ palm Mar 19 19:30:26 MetaView_: I think it does have a window.. or not? Mar 19 19:30:27 the exhib example is pretty alien, i think Mar 19 19:30:38 * oil hopes the 2.1 released sdk is better then the one that was in nda Mar 19 19:30:45 thomaschaaf: because you have an app-assistant and you crate the satage on your own Mar 19 19:30:53 i know trying to do exhibition with it at first would crash the emu like every launch Mar 19 19:30:58 it was a real pita Mar 19 19:31:00 a lot of the stuff is confusing because the docs are written for old versions/not finished versions Mar 19 19:31:24 when you set nowindow = true, you stop the framework creating an automatically stage Mar 19 19:31:33 ah! Mar 19 19:31:38 eh Mar 19 19:31:45 you still get the "loading" card though Mar 19 19:31:56 when launched from really anywhere from command line Mar 19 19:32:04 anywhere but from command line* Mar 19 19:32:29 ah Mar 19 19:32:31 hmpf Mar 19 19:32:39 reboot after touching the screen Mar 19 19:32:54 yeah, exhibition mode would crash on me like crazy in the emu Mar 19 19:32:54 leiru: still trying your graphs? Mar 19 19:33:06 it works quite well on the Pre2 Mar 19 19:33:16 wounder how they developed it Mar 19 19:33:32 rolling dice and picking bits of code from a giant book Mar 19 19:33:40 MetaView_: yes - thomaschaaf's question about exhibition just fired me up to solve the problem. Mar 19 19:34:23 * oil considers going back to sleep Mar 19 19:34:49 question is, how would I close my app programmatically? Mar 19 19:35:01 your exhibition app? Mar 19 19:35:07 Mojo.Controller.appController.closeAllStages(); Mar 19 19:35:13 because while I haven't checked in a while, I think it's "you don't" Mar 19 19:35:20 MapTool when run as exhibition and no other instance was open before Mar 19 19:35:27 I have to Mar 19 19:35:42 no one want to have MapTool running without window in the background.... Mar 19 19:36:06 thx oil Mar 19 19:36:15 I've seen mention that exhibition doesn't call deactivate events/unfocus events properly for the currently active stage Mar 19 19:36:28 so good luck finding a place to stick that bit of code that works D: Mar 19 19:36:32 it calls stageDeactivate Mar 19 19:36:44 they fixed it? :3 Mar 19 19:36:56 at least I saw this call Mar 19 19:39:38 Does webos 2.1 have a better googe maps? The current version is a joke Mar 19 19:39:58 hrm Mar 19 19:40:14 that example from omoco is better commented, but restarts my device too Mar 19 19:40:14 nope Mar 19 19:40:39 hm, could send you mine, just give me 5 minutes Mar 19 19:40:47 The same google maps that takes forever to load? Mar 19 19:40:51 does the Govnah exhibition mode cause problems, leiru? Mar 19 19:41:24 SineOt: i haz no govnah. :) Mar 19 19:41:33 you should get it :3 Mar 19 19:41:43 or at least pick out the code for Exhibition from the git repo Mar 19 19:44:56 who likes the dropdown (top,left) in exhibition more than the normal one? Mar 19 19:45:13 just me? Mar 19 19:45:14 hmm Mar 19 19:45:28 it is definiftly different.. Mar 19 19:45:48 if it was smaller I would Mar 19 19:46:32 I mean the way it slides down Mar 19 19:46:37 not the look Mar 19 19:46:41 but the sliding action Mar 19 19:46:50 haha Mar 19 19:46:55 less delay Mar 19 19:47:14 yeah I like that Mar 19 19:47:18 and the way it comes down is a bit different too Mar 19 19:47:36 just feels really snappy and nice.. Mar 19 19:47:40 yeah Mar 19 19:48:07 you realize the appmenu is all css and html, right? Mar 19 19:48:13 you can make it look however you want in your own app... Mar 19 19:48:36 you can even do css transforms on it and piss off your users when it maps itself backwards and upside down Mar 19 19:48:52 nope didn't know that Mar 19 19:49:24 I just know I have working exhibition working :D Mar 19 19:58:16 are there better ways to log ? Mar 19 19:58:40 lumberjack? Mar 19 19:59:01 http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ Mar 19 19:59:02 ? Mar 19 20:01:41 SineOt: same issue with that code - device reboots Mar 19 20:02:57 2.1 is annoying in that if it I guess times out trying to check email, it bitches about your password being wrong. :B Mar 19 20:03:13 SineOt: happening here too Mar 19 20:03:23 com.palm.systemui SystemUI - Phone Notification {"eventSignal": {"rssi": 86, "bars": 3, "maxBars": 5, "value": 86}, "returnValue": true}, palmInitFramework298:14 Mar 19 20:03:27 what does that mean :/ Mar 19 20:03:31 removed and readded account Mar 19 20:03:39 thomaschaaf: your data/phone connection? Mar 19 20:03:48 thomaschaaf: it's updating the signal bar display Mar 19 20:04:18 oh okay.. I thought it only shows my apps and was super confused :D Mar 19 20:04:31 still no way to debug an element :/ Mar 19 20:04:37 I take it you're watching the LS2 stuff in Lumberjack? Mar 19 20:05:01 whoa, the ares logger got updated Mar 19 20:05:03 http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ Mar 19 20:05:06 de.komola.rainy Info: [object Element], palmInitFramework367:2569 Mar 19 20:05:06 now you can filter Mar 19 20:05:53 great my cat is here -.- now typing gets harder Mar 19 20:06:49 hm, I would need to recreate my strage... Mar 19 20:06:51 stage Mar 19 20:16:36 thx everyone, solved that Mar 19 20:16:41 push to github soon. Mar 19 20:16:48 will release at homebrew. Mar 19 20:18:28 (watching ads.. I always wounder why deoderant, shampoo, etc.. is all made for "24 hours".. I am never awake 24 hours...) Mar 19 20:19:54 hm, when I kill my app on stageDeactivate and the exhibition mode appears again, I get another stageDeactivate Mar 19 20:21:35 I get 2x stageActivate, then I manually clse the exhibition, I get a stageDeactivate, I wait, the exhibition restarts and I get another stageDeactivate Mar 19 20:21:57 that's strange Mar 19 20:24:02 http://cl.ly/0c3K363u3l0B2n0P1C43 Best boot logo :3c Mar 19 20:35:36 lol Mar 19 20:38:27 MetaView_: there will be webosingite! events in hamburg and berlin. Mar 19 20:38:58 SAUCY FOX Mar 19 20:39:18 SineOt: wh00t?! Mar 19 20:40:04 leiru: bottom of the page http://webosconnect.com/en/calendar/index Mar 19 20:43:50 hmm is there a way to put opacity on text? I want it to be dimmed :/ Mar 19 20:44:54 pretty sure text supports RGBA color coding Mar 19 20:45:03 rgba is awesome Mar 19 20:47:00 * dkirker does the happy happy dance Mar 19 20:47:10 SineOt: in a older version of this page, there was a submission form. luckily i had bookmarked it and it was there still, but not available through hyperlinks from the site now. Mar 19 20:47:26 just submitted the hidden form haha Mar 19 20:47:53 http://www.webosignite.com/de/host/signup Mar 19 20:49:07 anyone @ next jsconf.eu? Mar 19 20:49:10 or easterhegg 2011? Mar 19 20:49:29 dkirker: por que? Mar 19 20:49:46 Tibfib: 2 words: Google Bookmarks Mar 19 20:49:52 noice! Mar 19 20:50:04 right now only 1 way sync, device -> cloud Mar 19 20:52:05 sweet Mar 19 20:52:12 no way to do it one way where it's cloud->device? Mar 19 20:52:47 I can Mar 19 20:52:57 It just took me ~5 hours to get device->cloud done Mar 19 20:53:04 I need to put more thought into cloud->device Mar 19 20:53:04 I think that might be a little more useful than device->cloud x3 Mar 19 20:53:08 ouch Mar 19 20:53:24 i want a touchpad Mar 19 20:53:30 :| Mar 19 20:53:45 well, I'll probably have to throw a timer, and pull ALL of the bookmarks down and then go through and decide which are on the device already. Mar 19 20:53:56 that might take some effort. Mar 19 20:54:04 but for now, bookmark backup Mar 19 20:54:06 even if it was just a wholesale wipe, that'd be fine by me! :Q Mar 19 20:54:21 it will likely be an option Mar 19 20:54:35 the big issue is, if you have 200+ bookmarks, that's a lot of time pulling data Mar 19 20:54:47 true Mar 19 20:54:59 and Google does not have an official API Mar 19 20:55:01 although, don't they provide a bookmarks.html file? Mar 19 20:55:13 so their isn't a simple "sync" option Mar 19 20:55:20 not sure about bookmarks.html Mar 19 20:55:20 might be easier to just parse that than to spend time going through one by one to pull bookmarks Mar 19 20:55:30 well, it wouldn't be one-by-one Mar 19 20:55:39 they do return data in json format Mar 19 20:55:48 ah Mar 19 20:55:52 I think in chunks up to a certain size (like 50) Mar 19 20:56:36 y'know, I'd love to see flux ported to webOS Mar 19 20:59:55 is there a way to get the region to check if it is us_us because that would be the only ones using fahrenheit right? Mar 19 21:01:25 got it: Mojo.Locale.getCurrentLocale() Mar 19 21:03:36 has anyone noticed that the Pre2 has a much lower color temperature than the Pre-/Pre+/Pixi? Mar 19 21:09:14 jezuz... ask question run away.. Mar 19 21:18:38 anyone watching boxing? Mar 19 21:23:36 anyone know where I can find a texture like http://cdn.uservoice.com/images/marketing/header_texture.jpg but in gray? Mar 19 21:24:35 maybe know what I should google for? Mar 19 21:28:25 frigg what is a CTCP? Mar 19 21:28:39 .oO( ) Mar 19 21:35:47 what's the default background color of apps? Mar 19 21:35:51 it's not white is it? Mar 19 21:36:26 light theme is a lightly-gray Mar 19 21:36:36 dark-theme is a lightly-dark Mar 19 21:37:02 it's not white, it's between grey and white Mar 19 21:37:17 I need hex code Mar 19 21:37:19 which is softer on the eyes Mar 19 21:37:20 it's like e4e4e4 Mar 19 21:37:30 or something...it's in the global.css file Mar 19 21:37:32 thomaschaaf: grep the css files? Mar 19 21:38:35 find it @ /opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/367/ Mar 19 21:38:59 i listen to the darkraver live on mindcontroller ... Mar 19 21:39:02 e4e4e2 Mar 19 21:39:15 details :D Mar 19 21:39:19 as you say... Mar 19 21:40:02 ?? details? Mar 19 21:40:22 you got everything you need. path to framework css will do it. Mar 19 21:43:09 lol Mar 19 21:44:47 that's nothing to laugh about. Mar 19 21:44:51 :D Mar 19 21:45:03 .oO( ... ) Mar 19 21:48:15 oil: why you are named oil? your avater is an oil-barrel too. Mar 19 21:49:10 thats pretty strange i think, but at least i ask myself, why dave has a sugar in front of him. Mar 19 21:49:29 oil: do you know if it is possible to manually change MSID and MDN on a Sprint Pre ? Mar 19 21:49:43 leiru: because he's so sugary and davey. Mar 19 21:49:56 and oil is greasy? Mar 19 21:50:05 well, I didn't wanna say.... Mar 19 21:50:12 haha Mar 19 21:50:46 ....but it's because he's worth $100 per barrell. Mar 19 21:50:56 barrel. Mar 19 21:50:58 rofl Mar 19 21:51:58 sprint's "manual programming instructions" are essentially reset the phone and let it activate wirelessly Mar 19 21:59:01 anyone having issues with gps ? Mar 19 21:59:07 yep Mar 19 21:59:15 joeb_: what are your problems I solved mine :) Mar 19 21:59:19 so maybe I can help Mar 19 21:59:39 well nothing can find me Mar 19 21:59:44 gogole maps / yelp / fandango Mar 19 21:59:54 try restarting :D Mar 19 21:59:58 done Mar 19 22:00:00 anything else Mar 19 22:00:02 what network? Mar 19 22:00:06 verizon? Mar 19 22:00:12 att\tt Mar 19 22:00:18 s/att\tt/att/ Mar 19 22:00:27 im on wifi right now Mar 19 22:00:41 nope no idea Mar 19 22:00:49 leiru: i started going by oil on the internet like 15 years ago Mar 19 22:00:57 i've forgotten the reason in the time since then Mar 19 22:01:55 haeffb: i do not know Mar 19 22:02:12 meta dr ? Mar 19 22:02:46 I think it's really funny that the boxers have bodyguards.. and they are probably better at defending themselves than those lousy body guards Mar 19 22:04:48 did makefile mod to skip activation and first_use but had to luma open wifi from novaterm..? Mar 19 22:12:57 do you know this state where you resignate and just find everything funny? Mar 19 22:13:43 i entered this 2 weeks ago with my company and now it seems to be there with my grafix-dude at my first commercial app & the palm dudes. Mar 19 22:15:14 so... i am retty amused, but everything seems to go down the drain. Mar 19 22:15:15 :D Mar 19 22:20:38 hi all! Mar 19 22:20:46 argg. stupid different album artists and artists Mar 19 22:20:50 JenP: hola! Mar 19 22:21:07 Hi Tibfib. how are you? Mar 19 22:21:14 hi JenP! Mar 19 22:21:22 hi dkirker! Mar 19 22:21:38 doing good! trying to make Koto Player play nice with special albums Mar 19 22:21:46 cool Mar 19 22:35:27 hey people Mar 19 22:35:40 I have a couple of questions about webos and webos development Mar 19 22:35:46 I only read something in the internet Mar 19 22:36:02 a wikipedia article Mar 19 22:36:04 etc Mar 19 22:36:33 So, first question, as far as I understand, it's not possible to have a firmware and flasher in order to reflash a device Mar 19 22:36:41 if you accidentally bricked it Mar 19 22:36:42 ? Mar 19 22:37:15 second question - is it possible to develop in C, like I do in Linux? Mar 19 22:37:28 is it possible to write GTK applications? like I do in maemo? Mar 19 22:37:32 norayr: it is impossible to brick a webOS device Mar 19 22:37:48 norayr: you can run a webOS doctor and re-install the os Mar 19 22:37:49 bbl Mar 19 22:37:56 it's possible while testing own application may be? Mar 19 22:38:05 okay, thanks Mar 19 22:38:10 and what about development? Mar 19 22:38:14 javascript only? Mar 19 22:38:18 or native, C, GTK? Mar 19 22:43:57 html/js/css is normal, hybrid apps use html/js/css for presentation layer and can use C for backend processing.. Mar 19 22:44:05 you can write services in javascript using node.js if you want Mar 19 22:44:10 norayr: currentnly both native (NDK) and C-style (PDK) apps are allowed. Hybrid isn't allowed yet. Mar 19 22:44:14 there's all sorts of things you can do Mar 19 22:44:22 norayr: but you can dev in C and connect it to a normal JS app Mar 19 22:44:24 madnificent: hybrid supposedly went live with 2.1 sdk release Mar 19 22:44:34 nice Mar 19 22:44:44 bpadalino: oh, I didn't know that. Am I allowed to use it in 1.4.5 as well then? Mar 19 22:44:53 i think it requires 2.1 Mar 19 22:44:59 oh, that's sad Mar 19 22:45:17 my phone doesn't support it, I wont use it Mar 19 22:45:22 sorry Mar 19 22:45:36 which os version uses palm pre plus? Mar 19 22:45:37 you needn't be sorry, it's not your falut ^_^ Mar 19 22:45:40 s/falut/fault Mar 19 22:45:48 * madnificent continues to dev Mar 19 22:46:02 there are ways to get older pre devices on 2.1 i think - via webos-internals scripts Mar 19 22:46:22 is it possible to develop with modern sdk for the old device? Mar 19 22:46:31 yep Mar 19 22:46:38 works fine Mar 19 22:46:39 nice Mar 19 22:46:43 just not new function Mar 19 22:47:33 I think I'm gonna get palm pre in order to play/develop for it Mar 19 22:47:53 norayr: what do you normally use to dev/ Mar 19 22:47:55 i've noticed that there are legal ways to contribute free software Mar 19 22:48:07 norayr: at least emacs and eclipse have tools :) Mar 19 22:48:11 let's say C + Linux Mar 19 22:48:45 emacs is ok :) though I am used to vi Mar 19 22:48:49 * madnificent was thinking of running ECL on the pre for the model layer of an app. Mar 19 22:48:59 won't prefer eclipse, it's too heavy for me Mar 19 22:49:02 norayr: a Vim connection might exist also :) Mar 19 22:49:12 nice :) Mar 19 22:49:29 norayr: I feel your dislike against eclipse. All fancy graphics and no efficiency Mar 19 22:51:06 :) Mar 19 22:52:32 can you not get cookies in the app-assistant? Mar 19 22:52:51 thomaschaaf: you should be able to get cookies, I don't see why not Mar 19 23:03:09 cakes are better Mar 19 23:05:55 MetaView_: the cake is a lie! Mar 19 23:06:02 cookies are win! Mar 19 23:06:23 * madnificent conditionally loads the migrations to setup the database based on a cookie value Mar 19 23:08:22 * MetaView_ watches a calculated route in the maptool app and wonders if it is of any use or not and still tries to figure out how he could support exhibition mode in maptool Mar 19 23:08:31 ok, mine is longer Mar 19 23:08:50 MetaView_: trying to win the planning game against the computer? Mar 19 23:10:00 * MetaView_ has to repeat the same question everytime he sees adora in the chat: Mar 19 23:10:28 Adora: what about Earworm (Audio), it stucks since 19 days Mar 19 23:10:39 ok so, here's the thing Mar 19 23:10:48 * MetaView_ changes the number every day Mar 19 23:10:51 I may have given you....incomplete advice Mar 19 23:11:17 [Law and Order DUNDUN plays] Mar 19 23:11:24 chuq and I need to sit down and hash though the details Mar 19 23:11:28 and we haven't had a chance to Mar 19 23:11:37 (and he's been on vacation this week) Mar 19 23:11:37 hi Adora! Mar 19 23:11:54 and I'm sorry =P Mar 19 23:12:03 JenP: why aren't you here RIGHT NOW? Mar 19 23:12:12 party's in an hour! Mar 19 23:12:12 stupid job. Mar 19 23:12:31 Adora: you better takes alot of pics Mar 19 23:12:32 I know! I really wanted to but Josh also has a project do for school. Mar 19 23:12:44 You guys need to throw a party down here Mar 19 23:13:33 I'll help organize it....Dev Day in San Diego!!! Mar 19 23:14:22 * halfhalo wants devdays LA Mar 19 23:15:45 Adora......? LAs doable....tooo Mar 19 23:16:30 I am working on a plan for a new series of devcamps Mar 19 23:16:38 and do it right this time, from the start Mar 19 23:17:00 so hold that enthusiasm until further notice =] Mar 19 23:17:04 woot!! i'll help where i can for SoCAL Mar 19 23:17:05 gogogo Mar 19 23:17:09 lol Mar 19 23:18:05 What do you mean do it right this time? Dev Day NYC was awesome! Mar 19 23:18:37 dvdmon: it wasn't in europe... Mar 19 23:18:37 Well, except for wifi, but we won't speak about that ;-) Mar 19 23:19:12 @Metaview, correct. Mar 19 23:19:31 * halfhalo votes make them on fridays Mar 19 23:19:44 MetaView_: what country were you in? Mar 19 23:19:47 devcamp != dev day Mar 19 23:20:09 do we get smores at devcamp? Mar 19 23:20:14 who said anything about devcamp? Mar 19 23:20:15 devcamp is YOUR event Mar 19 23:20:30 MetaView_, dvdmon: perhaps we should organize another day in FOSDEM next year (I missed it this year). Mar 19 23:20:36 www.predevcamp.org Mar 19 23:20:49 FOSDEM? Mar 19 23:21:17 madnificent: Germany Mar 19 23:21:38 Free and Open Source Developers European Meeting. It's in Brussels (2 days, I believe) and the university provides rooms for speekers and some dev rooms. Great spirit! Mar 19 23:21:43 I was on the predev camp Mar 19 23:24:58 damn why can't I access the cookie :/ Mar 19 23:25:00 MetaView_: berlin? Mar 19 23:25:55 thomaschaaf: you're sure you created it? You're accessing it in the right way? var c = new Cookie("name"); c.put("WAZAAAAH"); Mojo.Log.info( c.get() ); Mar 19 23:26:33 Berlin, yes Mar 19 23:26:55 I even made a speech on the devcamp Mar 19 23:28:27 ok... it's late, good night Mar 19 23:28:45 good night MetaView_ Mar 19 23:34:39 if I change the attributes object of a List widget, do I need to call something to make that have an effect? Mar 19 23:43:17 yep Mar 19 23:43:24 well attributes don't typically change Mar 19 23:46:16 * oil changes attributes all the time Mar 19 23:47:57 oil: how do you refresh them? Mar 19 23:48:00 the widgets Mar 19 23:48:17 no, you can't change attributes on the fly, lol Mar 19 23:48:25 lol Mar 19 23:48:30 you can update the html and resetup the widget though Mar 19 23:48:40 ah, that's true Mar 19 23:49:53 * oil wonders if tibfib is going to test the music apps with lumbo for speed :) Mar 19 23:50:04 thats cheating! Mar 19 23:50:13 oil: I'll only test it if Koto is faster Mar 19 23:50:18 you should use a stopwatch Mar 19 23:50:19 haha Mar 19 23:50:44 if appid = com.tibfib.app.koto then speed = -10ms Mar 19 23:50:58 w00t! Mar 19 23:51:01 lol Mar 19 23:51:02 lol Mar 19 23:59:32 yeah, thats not going to happen Mar 20 00:05:22 oil: so, I should stop all listeners for that widget, update the html, update the attributes, resetup the widget, reconnect all listeners? Mar 20 00:05:38 idk Mar 20 00:05:40 give it a shot Mar 20 00:06:17 I think it might be faster to have a hidden widget with the different settings and toggle the visibility Mar 20 00:06:43 could do that too Mar 20 00:07:00 another thing, is there a way to distinguish between a left swipe and a right swipe? Mar 20 00:07:04 sorry Mar 20 00:07:11 for swiping elements off of a list, that is Mar 20 00:07:52 dont think so Mar 20 00:08:15 madnificent: maybe Mar 20 00:08:17 there isn't an event for it, so if it'd be possible, it'd be something uncommon Mar 20 00:08:21 Tibfib: any ideas on that? Mar 20 00:08:38 madnificent: either event.originalEvent... or listen to a "flick" on the list div Mar 20 00:08:56 thanks for the pointers Tibfib Mar 20 00:09:13 np Mar 20 00:19:25 sigh, I don't like the non-updating of attributes Mar 20 00:19:42 I don't like not being able to OTA update to 2.1!!! :( Mar 20 00:20:15 I don't like most likely not getting a pre2 Mar 20 00:20:35 Hey, I had to import mine from the US... no easy feat. Mar 20 00:21:06 * madnificent had to import from germany, but I guess importing from the US could be even harder Mar 20 00:21:09 though the prices seem lower Mar 20 00:21:24 at least, the prices of the pre- were lower on US ebay Mar 20 00:26:33 Tibfib: the originalEvent trick won't cut it. I want to show the delete/cancel button on a right flick and no delete/cancel on a left flick. So I'd have to figure out which event it is way sooner Mar 20 00:28:21 s/won't/wont/ Mar 20 00:39:58 how would you do a setInterval in a "hidden Windows"? Mar 20 00:40:02 hidden window Mar 20 00:40:04 I always get: Mar 20 00:40:30 de.komola.rainy Warning: Cannot use the global setInterval function from a hidden window. Use window.setInterval from a visible window., palmInitFramework367:2569 Mar 20 00:40:54 I am calling it from exhibition Mar 20 00:41:31 thomaschaaf: you can't, but you can probably trick it out. Whenever a window gets active, make it register itself to a central entity. Then ask that entity to return you the active window, and call the setInterval method on that. Mar 20 00:41:53 unless... you only have a hidden window... Mar 20 00:42:41 but it is the exhibition.. Mar 20 00:42:50 I can see it so its not hidden or? Mar 20 00:54:56 hmm 2 am still deving Mar 20 00:54:57 :/ Mar 20 00:57:53 good work, thomaschaaf! Mar 20 01:01:35 thomaschaaf: same here ^_^ coding @ night is fun! Mar 20 01:02:09 (<3 /me (@ code night)) Mar 20 01:12:42 am = am morgen :P Mar 20 01:30:39 fucking exhibition mode Mar 20 01:30:48 why does it keep restarting my phone.. Mar 20 01:30:55 I could write a restart app Mar 20 01:31:40 * oil experience with exhibition is that it crashes luna a lot Mar 20 01:31:50 thomaschaaf: 0 - 4 am is time to code. 0 - 11 pm is time to think about what you will code Mar 20 01:33:28 anyone want to try out my weather app? Mar 20 01:34:20 I <3 weather apps Mar 20 01:34:53 https://dl.dropbox.com/s/d4q8815woe04o1d/de.komola.rainy_1.0.0_all.ipk?dl=1 Mar 20 01:35:02 incl exhibition mode :) Mar 20 01:35:42 I don't have many checks in there yet :/ so it might break if you don't have any gps Mar 20 01:36:29 can someone give me a hint what I should make better? Mar 20 01:38:35 please? Mar 20 01:39:41 thomaschaaf: what does it do? does it support webos 1.4.5? Mar 20 01:40:09 good question :) it should Mar 20 01:40:30 it has an icon which tells you whether it will rain today or not also the temperatures Mar 20 01:41:27 thomaschaaf: looks like it does its thing Mar 20 01:41:48 madnificent: how should I mkae it better? Mar 20 01:41:49 thomaschaaf: if you'd like to make a weather app that people would actually want: integrate this thing with buienradar.nl for the benelux and w/e for germany Mar 20 01:42:29 the icon could be softer, the min/max temperatures could have an added C, so it's clear we're talking about temperatures here. Mar 20 01:42:46 I actually wanted to create it mostly because of exhibition that way all I have to do is look at the icon in the morgning Mar 20 01:43:01 it also says 0C in large, which probably is the current temperature (but it could be a bug as well, if that wouldn't be the case, I'm not sure... it's possible) Mar 20 01:43:18 thomaschaaf: in that case: it's good :D Mar 20 01:43:20 thats you temperature Mar 20 01:43:32 well, it's fine anyways, I was trying to say what I could imagine to be better Mar 20 01:44:14 thomaschaaf: I'll try to use it first half of next week. I'll see if I continue to use it on a webos 1.4.5 device, that may give you a better clue. Mar 20 01:44:25 thomaschaaf: but ask me what my findings were, I'll probably forget Mar 20 01:45:20 thomaschaaf: it automatically fetches my current location? Mar 20 01:48:32 * haeffb experience with exhibition is same as oil Mar 20 01:50:55 having issues installing it...probably my pre though Mar 20 01:53:29 thomaschaaf: I'm an idiot btw! Use the your big umbrella icon as an application icon! Mar 20 01:53:43 thomaschaaf: that'll look better than the standard icon Mar 20 01:53:53 in fact, I think it'll look damn good Mar 20 01:57:33 :) I will.. this is not my first app :D Mar 20 01:57:50 thomaschaaf: no, you don't get it, I want it NOW :P Mar 20 01:57:55 chop chop Mar 20 01:58:03 wait :D Mar 20 02:01:50 haeffb: it took so long to get govnahs working xD Mar 20 02:02:46 ha. I was just talking from a user perspective. Haven't even tried to code it. Mar 20 02:03:23 but the other day I could luna restart my pre just by setting it on the TS and waiting for exh to kick in Mar 20 02:03:35 Boom! No Action Time! Mar 20 02:03:58 done :) Mar 20 02:04:08 thomaschaaf: new link? Mar 20 02:04:13 same link Mar 20 02:04:19 Tibfib: watching game? Mar 20 02:04:27 yeah, apparently it needs to be tested for 2.1 and resubmitted Mar 20 02:04:31 idk why it wouldn't just work Mar 20 02:04:33 it probably does Mar 20 02:04:42 * oil is just busy with other things to do it Mar 20 02:04:48 woa.. I just looked at the tv an noticed that for the last 2 hours there has been some wierd show on.. Mar 20 02:04:57 and I've not seen a minute of it :/ Mar 20 02:05:16 too bad. I used to love some wierd show Mar 20 02:05:24 weird Mar 20 02:05:28 * haeffb may need sleep Mar 20 02:05:34 me too Mar 20 02:05:38 its 3 am Mar 20 02:05:42 how about you? Mar 20 02:05:47 yeah, but it's only 9pm here! Mar 20 02:05:47 thomaschaaf: sweet sweet lemonade! That looks extremely good. Mar 20 02:06:27 * madnificent doesn't even dare to put his icon next to it on the launcher Mar 20 02:08:35 no umbrella for me! Mar 20 02:08:51 and 77/56 F tomorrow! Mar 20 02:08:51 haeffb: be happy Mar 20 02:08:59 nice Mar 20 02:09:15 do you guys have any suggestions for the design? Mar 20 02:10:08 well... the big red circle/slash is counterintuitive Mar 20 02:10:21 so sun? Mar 20 02:10:35 I just want two icons not 5 Mar 20 02:10:43 but then it's just like every other weather app Mar 20 02:10:48 how does it look with green, instead of red? Mar 20 02:10:58 you want binary? Rainy/Not Rainy Mar 20 02:11:04 hmmm.... Mar 20 02:11:34 actually, nice shining sun and an umbrella would probably do Mar 20 02:11:52 but what if it's cloudy, but not rainy? Mar 20 02:11:54 or perhaps sunglasses or another accessory that one uses in the sun Mar 20 02:12:01 haeffb: then you don't need an umbrella Mar 20 02:12:11 ya, but it's not sunny! Mar 20 02:12:24 closed/open umbrella? Mar 20 02:12:42 'cuz you should always carry the umbrella even when it's not rainy Mar 20 02:12:59 that could work Mar 20 02:13:18 it's sad that sunglasses aren't better as an icon Mar 20 02:13:56 I am trying to make a closed umbrella Mar 20 02:14:39 thomaschaaf: note that you can also change the app icon via code... :) Mar 20 02:14:59 so have it run periodically and change the icon as appropriate Mar 20 02:15:24 don't even need to open the app to see if I should open the umbrella or not Mar 20 02:16:31 thomaschaaf: does it run in the background on 1.4.5 now? I may delete it if I assume it may consume resources. Battery blablabla Mar 20 02:17:18 blablabla. It only needs to run once every...oh...eight or 12 hours or so... Mar 20 02:17:25 it won't consume any battery Mar 20 02:18:06 even once every four hours wouldn't hurt a thing Mar 20 02:18:32 I doesn't run in the background Mar 20 02:18:42 it also only gets the location the first time Mar 20 02:18:49 but you can update it from the menu Mar 20 02:19:01 makes it a lot faster Mar 20 02:19:41 I wanted to do that Mar 20 02:19:48 sorry I am reading from bottom to top :D Mar 20 02:20:01 haeffb: well, that depends on the way it's programmed. Needless to say, no one should trust anyone that makes icons as pretty as that launcher icon. Mar 20 02:20:47 very clean :) I am used to fixing bullshit code Mar 20 02:20:51 so my own is clean Mar 20 02:24:26 * madnificent is still writing his first app, therefore his code probably looks extremely bad Mar 20 02:24:42 * madnificent has implemented optional loading of stuff to keep performance on par though Mar 20 02:24:49 this is my 15th app or so Mar 20 02:24:58 not all did I release Mar 20 02:24:59 http://pastebin.com/92hjedKf Mar 20 02:25:20 code to change app icon Mar 20 02:26:07 thomaschaaf: ^ admit it, it would be a cool addition Mar 20 02:26:30 I am looking at the code and don't quiet understand all of it yet Mar 20 02:26:57 This is from my Agenda app Mar 20 02:27:10 in icons directory, had different icons for each day of month Mar 20 02:27:52 haeffb: how many apps did you make? Mar 20 02:27:54 1-64.64.png for 1st, 2-64x64.png for 2nd Mar 20 02:28:24 uh. four in app catalog, plus Agenda, that I've "published" Mar 20 02:28:49 Done!, Noted!, Myles, TaskAdder (my first app) and Agenda Mar 20 02:29:36 haeffb: both Done! and Noted! are yours? :P Mar 20 02:29:37 why am I doing this at this hour :D Mar 20 02:29:53 is there a way to call the updateIcon function from inside the stage? Mar 20 02:29:55 haeffb: have you tried out tasks@hand btw? no one seems to give any comments :) Mar 20 02:29:55 thomaschaaf: because you're awesome! Mar 20 02:30:06 FYI, I love Noted!. Mar 20 02:30:23 madnificent: I'm loading it onto my pre now. Mar 20 02:30:27 I have tried it, but haven't had time to really give it a good run Mar 20 02:30:45 "had time" === "taken time" Mar 20 02:30:51 my bad Mar 20 02:30:58 haeffb: fair enough. I was mainly wondering if there was something so blatantly wrong with it that no one wanted to give it a shot Mar 20 02:30:59 ctbeiser: thanks. Mar 20 02:31:35 madnificent: no, not at all. But I think I need time to get used to your workflow Mar 20 02:31:51 I'm hungry.. Mar 20 02:31:52 haeffb: also: a few rather good names for the app got dropped out because of your naming of Done! Out of sheer respect. Mar 20 02:31:57 it's 3:30 Mar 20 02:32:00 thomaschaaf: bananas! great at night! Mar 20 02:32:16 and haven't had enough opportunity to really put it to test Mar 20 02:32:39 the latest version is a bit more user-friendly. I've done some mano-a-mano user tests out of which I learned rather much. Mar 20 02:33:02 * madnificent honoustly finds the new version loads better than the previous ones, but I always find that. Mar 20 02:33:03 my version is several days old. I should update Mar 20 02:33:07 there's still some suport lacking Mar 20 02:33:24 I'll post an update tomorow, I think... that'll be one of the latest betas Mar 20 02:33:31 cool Mar 20 02:33:50 madnificent: no more there :( Mar 20 02:34:00 wanted to take a picture for you eating a banana Mar 20 02:34:00 thomaschaaf: cry untill they get back! Mar 20 02:34:00 Done! is sort of a conglomeration of "wonder if I can do...?" Mar 20 02:34:09 howdy everyone Mar 20 02:34:15 it's basically a learning piece Mar 20 02:34:28 hi Tibfib Mar 20 02:34:35 KSU up 1 Mar 20 02:34:36 at the point I release it it will lack some obvious functionalities. I'll probably add them later on if I seem to need them. Some of them are simply hard from a UI pov Mar 20 02:34:37 haeffb: hey there Mar 20 02:34:46 haeffb: yep watching it :) Mar 20 02:35:12 :/ Mar 20 02:35:18 * oil wonders where sineOt is Mar 20 02:35:39 the otterman? Mar 20 02:35:50 said he'd do the wirc help text then split Mar 20 02:35:50 lol Mar 20 02:35:58 I've been trying to add some stuff to Myles. That code is a mess. Mar 20 02:36:00 hey I'd love to do that! Mar 20 02:36:11 bastard Mar 20 02:36:19 I heard that Mar 20 02:36:26 you were away! Mar 20 02:36:37 * haeffb thought Tibfib|away meant write help text, but obviously he meant the split part Mar 20 02:36:48 there is only like 76 of em Mar 20 02:36:56 yes, still Mar 20 02:37:28 * Tibfib was volunteering to help Mar 20 02:37:31 thomaschaaf: I'm probably not going to last more than 30 minutes either btw Mar 20 02:37:56 thomaschaaf: you can update the icon from stage or scene assistant (anywhere, really) Mar 20 02:37:59 Tibfib: are you setup to pull wirc? Mar 20 02:38:21 oil: not directly Mar 20 02:38:25 but to use the alarms service and run it periodically requires and app assistant, I think Mar 20 02:38:34 so I guess no Mar 20 02:38:35 s/and/an/ Mar 20 02:38:40 its basically this file: Mar 20 02:38:40 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob_plain;f=app/models/help.js;hb=HEAD Mar 20 02:39:01 madnificent: I'm using opening it up right now. First thoughts are that the icon isn't especially clean (I assume you'll be replacing that before launch?), and that the name looks kinda funny with the lack of capitals and the @ Mar 20 02:39:18 heheh. oil, I went thru the wIRC preferences a while ago and didn't know what half of it meant :) Mar 20 02:39:25 when setting it up Mar 20 02:39:28 hence the need for this Mar 20 02:39:39 it works soo good Mar 20 02:39:56 oil: gonna post it to webOS101? Mar 20 02:40:02 post what? Mar 20 02:40:10 code Mar 20 02:40:24 its posted right there on git.webosinternals..... Mar 20 02:40:27 madnificent: The text fields don't look quite right to me, and they're also sorta inconsistent? Mar 20 02:41:05 the css for it is ugly Mar 20 02:41:17 oil: yeah, I meant an easy to incorporate method Mar 20 02:41:19 madnificent: The add context field, I want to be able to tap on name, but it's seperate from the weirdly sized "context name" field. Mar 20 02:41:20 "but it works!" Mar 20 02:41:30 all my css looks like crap Mar 20 02:41:44 * Tibfib needs to get better Mar 20 02:42:17 doesn't seem to work :/ Mar 20 02:42:21 madnificent: The contexts list; having to click add context is kinda weird; shouldn't all my contexts just be there for me to click on and off? Mar 20 02:42:23 ctbeiser: all true, but may not change on launch. The goal is to create a UI in which I can quickly get my stuff done. Though the comments are very welcome. Mar 20 02:42:39 ctbeiser: I'd make a better icon, but I can't :) Mar 20 02:42:49 ctbeiser: partially fixed. You should tab the box in front. That's in the comments now. Mar 20 02:42:56 s/tab/tap/ Mar 20 02:43:12 but that wasn't clear for the others either Mar 20 02:43:51 what do I have to put for launchPointId? Mar 20 02:44:01 de.komola.rainy ? Mar 20 02:44:05 com.my.app_default Mar 20 02:44:07 ctbeiser: also: very welcome comments, they're good :) Mar 20 02:44:12 de.komola.rainy_default Mar 20 02:44:36 to change the default icon, I think Mar 20 02:44:50 cool Mar 20 02:44:51 works Mar 20 02:44:55 * haeffb is not sure if this is actually documented anywhere Mar 20 02:45:08 madnificent; I'm being intentionally nitpicky, fyi, because I know that's what's usually needed. On the whole, I was a bit confused by that when I created a new task it led me to a thing called task details; if I want to see the details, they should be put in below the task, but adding a new task should be different, I think? Mar 20 02:45:31 I just randomly did a search on updateLaunchPointIcon, and found this thread: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=11400 Mar 20 02:45:46 which makes it sound like they may have decided that it's a Bad Thing. Mar 20 02:46:16 ctbeiser: I myself didn't assume I'd prefer to have two screens for essentially the same thing. Would you prefer the title to be changed, or would you prefer something else? Mar 20 02:46:23 madnificent: I sometimes need a deadline date but not a time; maybe that should be a slider too? Mar 20 02:46:28 ctbeiser: the setting for next action is smarter now :) Mar 20 02:46:31 hmmm. sorry thomaschaaf Mar 20 02:46:42 oh well Mar 20 02:46:57 new build same link :) Mar 20 02:47:10 ctbeiser: I thought of that, I didn't understand if people would want it at midnight or anything else. As in: if people tell me what they want in that respect, it'll get in there. Mar 20 02:47:19 ctbeiser: and thanks thanks thanks!!!! Mar 20 02:47:45 * madnificent doesn't seem to know how normal people work :( Mar 20 02:48:07 which is why I said it would take me some time to get used to your workflow Mar 20 02:48:26 but I am willing to try it to see if it makes sense Mar 20 02:48:40 rather than just rejecting it outright... ;) Mar 20 02:48:56 haeffb: do you think a user would do that? (side-note: it's actually the workflow of David Allan, with some minor modifications because of the added IT element) Mar 20 02:49:19 probably not Mar 20 02:49:43 unless you were able to guide them through the process & show how it "just works better" Mar 20 02:50:03 & I am familiar with GTD Mar 20 02:50:17 I was thinking of making two short youtube videos. A starters thing and one of how to get the most out of it, with some short tips. Mar 20 02:50:42 madnificent: Actually, I'm an aspiring UI designer… Basically, I expect a new task to be something I just type out and maybe fill in a couple details, and then I click save, and it saves it, and I can see it in the list of tasks.. Mar 20 02:51:08 why would you want to click save? Mar 20 02:51:18 in general, though, my philosophy (actually the old Palm's philosophy) is to figure out what the user will do most often and make THAT as easy to perform as possible Mar 20 02:51:21 that's basically what you do now btw? Mar 20 02:51:53 * haeffb needs to DL the current version of t@h.. Mar 20 02:52:24 wait, I'll upload the current one, it's marginally better and installs next to the old one (new namespace) Mar 20 02:53:38 I'm not sure I like the quickview that much; I'd rather it take it's inspiration from mail and have disclosure triangles for different contexts. Mar 20 02:54:09 So one for inbox, and then one for each context with active tasks. Mar 20 02:54:17 Someday/maybe would maybe not be shown. Mar 20 02:55:21 should be out Mar 20 02:55:29 The other thing that bothers me about it is that it takes quite a while to add a task; I have to type the name, scroll down, choose a state, scroll down, etc. Mar 20 02:55:50 knowify. nice. Mar 20 02:55:53 ctbeiser: the state will be correct more often than not in the new release, but that's something Mar 20 02:56:07 haeffb: still waiting for my account to register the domain etc etc Mar 20 02:56:11 * madnificent isn't good at legal stuff Mar 20 02:56:22 ctbeiser: but I've noticed that scrolling isn't the most fun thing to do Mar 20 02:56:28 * madnificent does like the quickview though Mar 20 02:56:46 it's the place from where I live these days. Select what I'll work on, look at it, do it, finish it. Mar 20 02:56:47 madnificent: What would really be great is if in the quickview I could just type in a task, and click enter, and have it entered into the inbox. Mar 20 02:57:20 ctbeiser: you will like my next app. If I ever get around to writing it... :) Mar 20 02:57:24 ctbeiser: that conflicts with another feature I'd like to have, but it sounds like a feature request that'll be added sooner rather than later :) Mar 20 02:58:17 Ok, app is running. I have a Quick View with two contexts "@Home" and "Computer" Mar 20 02:58:21 no tasks Mar 20 02:58:25 * madnificent doesn't see the problem with clicking "New Task", entering the title, and back. Mar 20 02:58:31 haeffb: looks correct Mar 20 02:58:51 "figure out what the user will do most often and make THAT as easy to perform as possible" Mar 20 02:58:54 that task will be in the Inbox automatically Mar 20 02:59:03 haeffb: ... Mar 20 02:59:16 for most users, entering tasks is done more than completing tasks... :) Mar 20 02:59:23 I'm also not sure "The next actions of your currently active contexts" is the best phrasing; I'd go with something like "The things to do next." Mar 20 02:59:50 haeffb: I don't see the gain of adding yet another user interface for the same thing. I don't see how pressing the new task button would be a problem... I'm probably wrong though. Mar 20 02:59:55 so what now? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 02:59:57 2011