**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 23 02:59:57 2011
Mar 23 03:00:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
Mar 23 03:00:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes we do
Mar 23 03:00:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> but that's what makes us such a close community :)
Mar 23 03:00:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 03:01:18 <SineOt> dohtem: you want to see a community that shares to much, well… :p
Mar 23 03:01:49 <dohtem> put your pants back on!
Mar 23 03:02:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> they are!
Mar 23 03:02:15 * PatrickC_Pre2 well, now they are :)
Mar 23 03:03:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> It feels nice with my window open
Mar 23 03:04:14 <SineOt> There's a wiki for everything, gosh. :I
Mar 23 03:04:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> ohno
Mar 23 03:04:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> now what?
Mar 23 03:04:57 <SineOt> Reading uh, animation wikis for shows. :T
Mar 23 03:06:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: do you have a website?
Mar 23 03:06:11 * dohtem is loving Firefox 4
Mar 23 03:06:26 * PatrickC_Pre2 has been loving it for months :)
Mar 23 03:06:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> does the official have webkit?
Mar 23 03:07:00 <SineOt> Haha, why would Firefox switch to using Webkit?
Mar 23 03:07:04 <dohtem> nah, ff doesnt use webkit
Mar 23 03:07:11 <dohtem> they have their own rendering engine
Mar 23 03:07:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> I never understood what the heck webkit was...
Mar 23 03:07:36 <SineOt> Yeah, Gecko.
Mar 23 03:07:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/was/is
Mar 23 03:07:42 <SineOt> It's a rendering engine.
Mar 23 03:07:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's so good about it?
Mar 23 03:08:11 <SineOt> It doesn't suck.
Mar 23 03:08:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> and does Gecko?
Mar 23 03:08:32 <SineOt> Yes.
Mar 23 03:09:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> what makes webkit better the Gecko?
Mar 23 03:09:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> they both work.. do they not?
Mar 23 03:09:30 <SineOt> Yeah, they both work, but IE6 'worked' too :p
Mar 23 03:09:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> IE never worked :p
Mar 23 03:09:57 <SineOt> Webkit has tended to roll in cutting edge features a lot faster and has been quicker on the uptake of a lot of CSS features.
Mar 23 03:10:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 23 03:10:27 <SineOt> Like 3D CSS transforms.
Mar 23 03:10:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 is downloading the new SDK
Mar 23 03:10:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> 3D CSS?
Mar 23 03:10:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome!
Mar 23 03:11:06 <SineOt> There's also the whole fact that y'know, Gecko isn't really used at all in any mobile browsers, while webkit proved adaptable enough to pretty much run every smartphone except for WP7
Mar 23 03:11:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> what does WP7 run?
Mar 23 03:12:11 <SineOt> Some variation on the IE9 engine.
Mar 23 03:12:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> IE....
Mar 23 03:12:22 * PatrickC_Pre2 shudders
Mar 23 03:12:30 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: www.sugardave.com not a lot going on there and the spambots attack every day, so if you post something I may not moderate it soon
Mar 23 03:12:44 <SineOt> IE9 isn't that bad.
Mar 23 03:13:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't run IE9 yet
Mar 23 03:13:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I never liked IE once I used FF
Mar 23 03:13:43 <SineOt> The engine got a massive overhaul and does a lot of stuff right this time around.
Mar 23 03:13:55 <SineOt> And unlike Firefox runs H264 video! :U
Mar 23 03:14:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> H264?
Mar 23 03:15:43 <SineOt> Video codec. Based on MPEG4. Has hardware decoders in pretty much everything. Better performance at low bit rates than a lot of stuff. Tons of high end advanced features. Can scale from a smart phone all the way up to Bluray.
Mar 23 03:16:02 <SineOt> Mozilla refuses to support it or make it easy for people to support it because it's not 'open' enough.
Mar 23 03:16:03 <sugardave> proprietary
Mar 23 03:16:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 23 03:16:13 <SineOt> Yeah. So they're pushing OGG instead.
Mar 23 03:16:34 <SineOt> It's like, hey, cool, make it so Flash sticks around for video for another 10 years.
Mar 23 03:16:45 <sugardave> erg
Mar 23 03:17:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna try my hand at some exhibition/JT a little tonight while waiting for my room to cool off
Mar 23 03:17:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> do you still need to be whitelisted?
Mar 23 03:18:18 <SineOt> Doubt it. The SDK is out of NDA.
Mar 23 03:18:29 <sugardave> well...
Mar 23 03:18:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what I thought
Mar 23 03:19:10 <SineOt> sugardave: did you ever see that video comparison between OGG and H264 that kept getting tossed around when this was a huge hot button issue?
Mar 23 03:19:45 <sugardave> no, because video is out of my area of caring at this time :)
Mar 23 03:19:49 <SineOt> I laughed so hard :I
Mar 23 03:20:13 <SineOt> "See? OGG is awesome! This carefully hand tweaked encode is about the same as Google's bottom of the barrel YouTube encode!"
Mar 23 03:20:20 <sugardave> haha
Mar 23 03:20:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 03:21:09 <sugardave> alright, I'm out for the night...have fun
Mar 23 03:21:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> night sugardave
Mar 23 03:21:54 <SineOt> PatrickC_Pre2: http://www.webkit.org/blog-files/3d-transforms/poster-circle.png < what you'd see in webKit for like… the last 3 years
Mar 23 03:22:04 <SineOt> http://www.webkit.org/blog-files/3d-transforms/poster-circle.html < what Firefox 4 today shows
Mar 23 03:23:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker: you here????
Mar 23 03:24:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> USB Mode time
Mar 23 03:24:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> switching to pre
Mar 23 03:24:43 <SineOt> I should also add that's what webOS COULD do if it had a build of webkit newer than October 2009 :p
Mar 23 03:24:51 * PatrickC_Pre pre mode activated 
Mar 23 03:24:53 <oil> yay, old stuff
Mar 23 03:25:05 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Mar 23 03:25:31 <PatrickC_Pre> oil: did you get my bug report on #wirc?
Mar 23 03:25:45 <oil> yeah, but i saw no logs
Mar 23 03:25:54 <PatrickC_Pre> no logs?
Mar 23 03:26:06 <PatrickC_Pre> from me? lol
Mar 23 03:26:07 <oil> to go with your bug
Mar 23 03:26:12 <oil> it makes no sense
Mar 23 03:26:24 <PatrickC_Pre> I'll log it next time it happens
Mar 23 03:26:24 <oil> the card isnt even spawned until we hear back fom the server that you've joined
Mar 23 03:26:40 <PatrickC_Pre> the server tells me
Mar 23 03:26:53 <PatrickC_Pre> #webos: You are not in this channel!
Mar 23 03:26:59 <PatrickC_Pre> or something like that
Mar 23 03:28:13 <PatrickC_Pre> once the Pre2 comes back online, I'll share a screenshot of what freenode tells me
Mar 23 03:28:22 <SineOt> that sounds more like a Freenode problem honestly
Mar 23 03:28:44 <PatrickC_Pre> but it never happens on me regular pre
Mar 23 03:29:07 <oil> isnt #webos registered nicks only?
Mar 23 03:29:09 <oil> or was that changed
Mar 23 03:29:22 <PatrickC_Pre> mine is a registered nick
Mar 23 03:29:23 <halfhalo> was changed
Mar 23 03:32:18 <PatrickC_Pre> pre2 back online
Mar 23 03:37:12 <PatrickC_Pre> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/photos-temp-1jpg-3.jpg
Mar 23 03:37:35 <PatrickC_Pre> ^^ there you go oil
Mar 23 03:37:42 <PatrickC_Pre> and another bug
Mar 23 03:38:20 <PatrickC_Pre> if you leave (like go into USB mode) and come back online, it won't let you rejoin without restarting the app
Mar 23 03:38:23 <PatrickC_Pre> for me at least
Mar 23 03:38:30 <halfhalo> http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/22/see-why-portal-2s-panels-are-the-planks-of-the-future/
Mar 23 03:38:38 <oil> what is in your autoconnect list?
Mar 23 03:38:46 <oil> rather, on connect
Mar 23 03:39:10 <PatrickC_Pre>  /j webos
Mar 23 03:39:11 <PatrickC_Pre> and
Mar 23 03:39:19 <PatrickC_Pre>  /j webos-internals
Mar 23 03:39:26 <PatrickC_Pre> same things that are on my pre-
Mar 23 03:39:28 <oil> you know channels start with a # right?
Mar 23 03:39:35 <PatrickC_Pre> yes
Mar 23 03:39:39 <PatrickC_Pre> but that works :)
Mar 23 03:39:54 <oil> apparently no so great
Mar 23 03:40:03 <PatrickC_Pre> it works fine on my pre-
Mar 23 03:40:05 * halfhalo has /j THE INTERWEBS
Mar 23 03:40:35 <oil> do you have any logs from lumberjack?
Mar 23 03:40:51 <PatrickC_Pre> I can look
Mar 23 03:41:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> uploading screenshot of logs now
Mar 23 03:42:01 <oil> screenshot?
Mar 23 03:42:04 <oil> lol
Mar 23 03:42:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> of the log
Mar 23 03:42:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> its easier then typing/copy paste-ing it
Mar 23 03:43:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/photos-temp-1jpg-4.jpg
Mar 23 03:43:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ there you go
Mar 23 03:44:28 <oil> wow, a whole 5 lines
Mar 23 03:44:32 <oil> all the same
Mar 23 03:44:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> that is the entire log...
Mar 23 03:44:40 <oil> all not making any sense
Mar 23 03:45:27 <oil> ragerdless, you're getting connected
Mar 23 03:45:36 <oil> so any errors in server#connect dont matter
Mar 23 03:46:16 * oil assumes user error
Mar 23 03:46:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> probably
Mar 23 03:46:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> but it happens all the time...
Mar 23 03:46:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> next time it happens, I'll log it when it happens
Mar 23 03:47:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> not 2 hrs after it happens
Mar 23 03:47:30 <oil> yeah, if you dont have lumberjack open when the problem happens the log isn't complete
Mar 23 03:47:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll start opening lumberjack before wirc till we figure out what's goin on
Mar 23 03:48:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I'm off to sleep
Mar 23 03:48:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
Mar 23 03:49:32 <PatrickC_Away> night all
Mar 23 04:02:07 <SineOt> part of me wants to make some stupid boot logo themes
Mar 23 04:02:15 <SineOt> anyone got any requests? :I
Mar 23 07:46:21 <hotdp> Good morgning
Mar 23 07:48:44 <sandrstar> morning
Mar 23 08:19:37 <hotdp> dkirker you here?
Mar 23 11:26:45 <sandrstar> is there any reference documentation about 'Futures'? I've got link to it in webos-sdk-docs-samples-2.1.519 under Communication Utilities which get downloaded with sdk 2.1, but seems the link is to nothere.
Mar 23 12:15:14 <madnificent> sandrstar: as far as I've heard, documentation can be lacking
Mar 23 12:15:21 <hotdp> haha
Mar 23 12:15:57 <madnificent> hotdp: you feel a bit of pain when laughing, don't you? ^_^
Mar 23 12:18:10 <hotdp> nah
Mar 23 12:18:13 <hotdp> not anymore
Mar 23 12:18:26 <hotdp> i was frustrated 1 year ago
Mar 23 12:18:32 <hotdp> now i just live with the lack
Mar 23 12:18:57 <madnificent> I'm having an issue with observing a 'click' event.  When I observe it and the user drags the screen and releases after stopping the moving with his hand, it still registers a click.  Any ideas for a workaround?
Mar 23 12:19:01 <sandrstar> madnificent: yeah, find some info on javascript resources about futures, just broken link in documentation confused me
Mar 23 12:19:56 <madnificent> So basically, the 'click' event fires when the user dragged the screen around
Mar 23 12:20:18 <madnificent> my google-fu doesn't help me out, so any terms I could search for are welcome as well
Mar 23 12:22:02 <sugardave> madnificent: why not just look for Mojo.Event.tap?  onclick is going to happen no matter what
Mar 23 12:22:22 <hotdp> sugardave: that early?
Mar 23 12:22:38 <sugardave> hotdp: hehe, yeah I'm teaching class this week
Mar 23 12:22:46 <hotdp> what time is it?
Mar 23 12:22:52 <sugardave> 7:20 am
Mar 23 12:23:00 <hotdp> ahh ok :)
Mar 23 12:23:00 <madnificent> sugardave: singleTap didn't work, perhaps tap does
Mar 23 12:23:02 * madnificent tries
Mar 23 12:23:04 <hotdp> thats not to bad
Mar 23 12:23:11 <sugardave> nah
Mar 23 12:23:12 <hotdp> tap is always fired
Mar 23 12:23:16 <hotdp> as sugardave says
Mar 23 12:23:28 <sugardave> but tap won't fire if they drag, I think
Mar 23 12:23:44 <sugardave> it gets pre-empted by Mojo.Event.drag (it's been a while)
Mar 23 12:23:48 <madnificent> sugardave: tap fires if you drag as well
Mar 23 12:23:53 <sugardave> bummer
Mar 23 12:23:58 <sugardave> well then
Mar 23 12:24:14 <madnificent> sugardave: they only fire when you stop your drag movement and then release... but it's still dragging :)
Mar 23 12:24:17 <sugardave> you will need to look for dragging and stop event propagation maybe?
Mar 23 12:24:32 * madnificent thinks it's somewhat a bug
Mar 23 12:25:09 <madnificent> I should probably look at a buttonpress, and ignore everything that had a drag event in between
Mar 23 12:27:20 <hotdp> ahh so you want to know where its clicked and vhere its uncliked?
Mar 23 12:27:38 <madnificent> hotdp: in screen pixels, that could be a solution
Mar 23 12:27:44 <hotdp> i see
Mar 23 12:27:56 <madnificent> a half-assed one, but it could at least make it work a bit better than how it's working now
Mar 23 12:33:43 <madnificent> sugardave: odd, it stopped doing it...
Mar 23 12:34:23 <madnificent> and it does it again
Mar 23 12:42:34 <madnificent> hmm, the click event enters the loop sooner than startdrag, so I should try to monitor for a release event
Mar 23 12:43:55 <hotdp> yer
Mar 23 12:45:29 <madnificent> sugardave: works :)
Mar 23 12:45:35 <madnificent> (but it's ugly with a timeout and such)
Mar 23 12:51:14 <dawm> very tempted to frankenpre this pre2
Mar 23 12:56:36 <CTLAdvance> wait why a time out for drag
Mar 23 12:57:01 <CTLAdvance> You shouldnt need that
Mar 23 13:23:21 <haeffb_pre> dawm: just do it
Mar 23 13:29:47 <hotdp> haeffb_pre did you?
Mar 23 13:32:11 <haeffb_pre> yes and love it
Mar 23 13:32:50 * Tibfib loves his pre2 too
Mar 23 13:33:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 love his pre2 too
Mar 23 13:33:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> who got their pre2?
Mar 23 13:33:59 <summatusmentis> if I have a pin setup on my pre, is there a way to get it to go away when an alarm goes off?
Mar 23 13:34:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> not sure
Mar 23 13:34:49 <hotdp> haeffb i did not think you would do it :)
Mar 23 13:34:57 <hotdp> but hopped you would
Mar 23 13:35:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I figured it would go away by itself
Mar 23 13:35:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> what did haeffb do?
Mar 23 13:35:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 13:35:16 <hotdp> franken
Mar 23 13:35:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> sweet!!!
Mar 23 13:35:28 * haeffb_pre keeps getting phone calls
Mar 23 13:35:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 13:35:53 <haeffb_pre> frankenPre2 Om Sprint
Mar 23 13:36:27 <haeffb_pre> been using it for over a week with no problems
Mar 23 13:37:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> wanna make me one? :)
Mar 23 13:38:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 is installing the new SDK
Mar 23 13:41:58 <haeffb_pre> sure, if you're willing to take the chance that I break both of them....
Mar 23 13:42:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 23 13:42:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> decisions, decisions...
Mar 23 13:42:53 <hotdp> haha
Mar 23 13:42:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 13:43:11 <hotdp> haeffb_pre was it hard? i have done it 3 times now, i dont think so :D
Mar 23 13:43:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> hotdp will do it for me :)
Mar 23 13:43:43 <hotdp> where do you live?
Mar 23 13:44:06 <haeffb_pre> i've done it twice
Mar 23 13:44:34 <haeffb_pre> it was easy after I figured out the bezel clips
Mar 23 13:44:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> Nashville :)
Mar 23 13:45:02 <hotdp> if you pay the flight from Denmark, i do it for sure ;)
Mar 23 13:45:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> if you loan me the money, then sure! :)
Mar 23 13:45:47 <HattCzech_work> ohh, sounds like i joined at the right time...
Mar 23 13:45:50 <HattCzech_work> free money?
Mar 23 13:46:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 13:46:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying to get hotdp to loan me money to pay for his plane ticket to make me a sprint pre2 :D
Mar 23 13:47:11 <HattCzech_work> ahhh
Mar 23 13:47:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 23 13:47:19 <HattCzech_work> why don't you make it yourself
Mar 23 13:47:20 <HattCzech_work> ?
Mar 23 13:47:42 <HattCzech_work> i was thinking about making one as well
Mar 23 13:48:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would probably break it lol
Mar 23 13:48:34 <HattCzech_work> that's one of the reasons i haven't done it yet... but the instructions seem pretty detailed
Mar 23 13:49:26 <haeffb_pre> the only hard part is getting the keyboard bezel clips back in place
Mar 23 13:49:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> haeffb_pre will do that for me :)
Mar 23 13:50:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not gonna do it, as I take my phone in for service way too much :p
Mar 23 13:51:25 <haeffb_pre> buy a cheap pre- on ebay
Mar 23 13:51:39 <haeffb_pre> keep yours as a backup
Mar 23 13:53:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's true
Mar 23 13:54:23 <haeffb_pre> that's what I did. but then I used the backup to frankenPre another Pre2
Mar 23 13:55:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 13:55:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> does it run good on Sprint? like service wise?
Mar 23 13:56:16 <gkatsev> well.
Mar 23 13:57:06 <haeffb_pre> as good as my Pre-
Mar 23 13:57:28 <gkatsev> and by well, I mean I was correct PatrickC_Pre2's grammar.
Mar 23 13:57:29 <haeffb_pre> since it has the Pre- radio...
Mar 23 13:57:54 <HattCzech_work> i just took mine in for service
Mar 23 13:58:08 <HattCzech_work> fixed the speaker/headset jack... messed up the slider
Mar 23 13:58:08 <haeffb_pre> as well as...
Mar 23 13:58:21 <gkatsev> someone should take a frankenpre in to a sprint store and record what happens.
Mar 23 13:58:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 23 13:58:30 <HattCzech_work> so now i need to take it back again
Mar 23 13:58:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> haeffb_pre: we vote you :)
Mar 23 13:58:50 <HattCzech_work> gkatsev: i was actually thinking of asking if the sprint store would do it for me :) ahaha
Mar 23 13:59:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> you should hahaha
Mar 23 13:59:05 <gkatsev> HattCzech_work: hehe. That too.
Mar 23 14:01:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> what happens if I make a blank package with the same appid as one in the app catalog?
Mar 23 14:02:52 <sugardave> shouldn't be too hard to test
Mar 23 14:03:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm going to with one of my apps
Mar 23 14:03:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> didn't know if anyone has done it yet
Mar 23 14:03:23 <sugardave> the question is why would you do that?
Mar 23 14:03:38 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre2: nothing will happpen.
Mar 23 14:03:53 <Tibfib> well you will have a blank package with the same appid as one in the catalog.
Mar 23 14:04:24 <sugardave> oh, I misread...thought he wanted to make a blank pacakge with the appcat app's id
Mar 23 14:04:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: isn't that how the IPK fetcher works?
Mar 23 14:05:01 <sugardave> no idea
Mar 23 14:07:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> "touchstoneMode": "enabled",
Mar 23 14:09:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib: how is exhibition mode for koto coming?
Mar 23 14:09:15 <Tibfib> ask dkirker
Mar 23 14:09:59 <KungPhoo> for a PDK app - do I need an index.html?
Mar 23 14:10:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah dkirker is working on it?
Mar 23 14:10:24 <Tibfib> heh. I dunno. if he wants to
Mar 23 14:11:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 14:13:03 <dkirker> I'd like to!!
Mar 23 14:13:04 <dkirker> :D
Mar 23 14:13:21 <halfhalo> lulz
Mar 23 14:13:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker, did you get my email?
Mar 23 14:13:35 <sandrstar> hmm, is where any way to set UserAgent for webView? smth like androids one: webview.getSettings().setUserAgentString("agents_name");
Mar 23 14:13:52 <dkirker> sandrstar: not to my knowledge
Mar 23 14:14:18 <dkirker> there *may* be an unofficial API, but to what I remember, it is sort of hard-coded in
Mar 23 14:14:50 <dkirker> PatrickC_Pre2: what time did you send it?
Mar 23 14:15:13 <dkirker> hah!
Mar 23 14:15:14 <dkirker> nm
Mar 23 14:15:18 <dkirker> was flagged as spam...
Mar 23 14:15:25 * PatrickC_Pre2 :(
Mar 23 14:15:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 14:17:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> does it even make since
Mar 23 14:17:25 <sugardave> since when?
Mar 23 14:17:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 14:17:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/since/sense/
Mar 23 14:18:14 <sandrstar> dkirker: thanks, will try to look deeper
Mar 23 14:18:28 <dkirker> PatrickC_Pre2: did you follow my second set of directions to the 't'?
Mar 23 14:18:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't done anything yet
Mar 23 14:18:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what is weird
Mar 23 14:18:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> the default says its "Universe"
Mar 23 14:19:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> but open the regular browser
Mar 23 14:19:08 <dkirker> ah
Mar 23 14:19:09 <dkirker> hmmm
Mar 23 14:19:28 <dkirker> well, the API is weird, so all activity that I see I don't take to mean that "it's working"
Mar 23 14:19:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the default for .HTM and .HTML is Web (not Universe)
Mar 23 14:19:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 23 14:19:52 <dkirker> well, a few things go on with URL handling
Mar 23 14:20:05 <dkirker> the system download the headers and checks the MIME type
Mar 23 14:20:17 <dkirker> and tries to match the file to the best handler
Mar 23 14:20:43 <dkirker> (i.e. downloading a word doc won't go to the web browser then QuickOffice, rather the download manager and QuickOffice.)
Mar 23 14:20:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea
Mar 23 14:23:30 <dkirker> damn
Mar 23 14:23:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> what?
Mar 23 14:23:40 <dkirker> one of my roommates must have heated up a pop tart or something
Mar 23 14:23:53 <dkirker> because now it smells like maple syrup, and I really want french toast...
Mar 23 14:23:55 <sugardave> mmm, pop tarts
Mar 23 14:24:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> mmm, french toast
Mar 23 14:24:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> universe is really fast :)
Mar 23 14:24:33 <dkirker> alright, breakfast time! I have a 20 minute commute ahead of me on South Bay freeways I have never driven during "rush hour"...
Mar 23 14:25:23 <sugardave> uh oh
Mar 23 14:25:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> have fun at the new job!
Mar 23 14:25:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> is anyone still seeing download numbers disappearing?
Mar 23 14:26:29 <Tibfib> sorry. I'll get those back to you shortly
Mar 23 14:26:38 <Tibfib> bbl
Mar 23 14:26:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks tibfib
Mar 23 14:26:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
Mar 23 14:28:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> and now I hear that paid download numbers are freezing (I wouldn't know, as I don't sell a lot :p)
Mar 23 14:31:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> that was a long phone call haeffb_pre
Mar 23 14:32:26 * haeffb_pre turns 45 in about 2 hours
Mar 23 14:32:40 <haeffb_pre> keep getting b-day wishes
Mar 23 14:32:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 14:32:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> happy bday
Mar 23 14:34:00 <haeffb_pre> thanks
Mar 23 14:35:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> np
Mar 23 14:36:15 * halfhalo doesn't want to leave warm car
Mar 23 14:37:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> you can do it halfhalo!
Mar 23 14:37:24 * PatrickC_Pre2 pushes halfhalo out of his car
Mar 23 14:37:30 <halfhalo> that's not the point
Mar 23 14:37:51 <halfhalo> I have the heater cranked and have the engine not idling rght now
Mar 23 14:38:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 stops pushing
Mar 23 14:38:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> that would have hurt...
Mar 23 14:38:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 23 14:38:30 <halfhalo> and you are going to push a person with at least ten knifes within arms reach out of his car
Mar 23 14:38:48 * PatrickC_Pre2 takes the knives
Mar 23 14:38:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, these are nice
Mar 23 14:39:21 <halfhalo> dear god I would love to see you try
Mar 23 14:39:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 14:39:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> why so many?
Mar 23 14:40:02 <halfhalo> one for ever occasion
Mar 23 14:40:28 <halfhalo> ccr!
Mar 23 14:40:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> any guns, or just knives?
Mar 23 14:41:04 * halfhalo cranks ccr in the parking structure
Mar 23 14:41:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> is halfhalo IRCing while driving?
Mar 23 14:41:36 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
Mar 23 14:41:49 <halfhalo> halfhalo is ircing while parked
Mar 23 14:42:15 <halfhalo> these kids nowadays with their newfangled musics.... psh
Mar 23 14:42:51 <dkirker> and I'm off!
Mar 23 14:42:56 <dkirker> later everyone!
Mar 23 14:43:04 <halfhalo> byebye
Mar 23 14:43:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
Mar 23 14:43:18 <halfhalo> mmmmmmmmmmm..... fortunate son is on zune
Mar 23 14:43:38 <dkirker> eat the zune!!!
Mar 23 14:43:50 * halfhalo hearts zune
Mar 23 14:43:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> noise canceling earbuds?
Mar 23 14:44:21 <halfhalo> bah, those are put away.  tis off car stereo
Mar 23 14:44:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> nice
Mar 23 14:44:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> what kinda car?
Mar 23 14:45:17 <halfhalo> this one? some new camry I think
Mar 23 14:45:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 14:46:32 <halfhalo> ccr>rap
Mar 23 14:48:39 <halfhalo> oh, oh new song! a litte less conversation
Mar 23 14:52:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> having fun?
Mar 23 14:54:54 <sandrstar> ok, i've launched android on my winMo htc pure. anybody thinks if it possible to do the same with webOS?
Mar 23 14:55:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> you mean launching android on a webos device?
Mar 23 14:55:34 <halfhalo> not going to happen
Mar 23 14:55:40 * halfhalo misses his car
Mar 23 14:55:44 <sandrstar> heh, no. launching webOs on winMo device
Mar 23 14:56:02 <halfhalo> still not going to happen
Mar 23 14:58:02 <sandrstar> thanks, it's sad
Mar 23 14:58:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> why would you even want webOS on a winMo device?
Mar 23 14:58:56 <sandrstar> in order not to buy another, palm device :)
Mar 23 14:59:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> they are cheap on ebay
Mar 23 15:06:12 <sandrstar> yeah, but I would prefer to wait for veer or pre3 to buy original
Mar 23 15:06:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> you can run the emu !:)
Mar 23 15:06:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/!:)/:)/
Mar 23 15:07:12 <sandrstar> that's what i'm doing currently
Mar 23 15:07:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I can test on-device for you :p
Mar 23 15:08:59 <sandrstar> thanks! will keep it in mind for the day when application ready :)
Mar 23 15:09:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's the app do?
Mar 23 15:11:20 <sandrstar> smth like this one https://github.com/beaucollins/wordpress-webos
Mar 23 15:12:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, its a wordpress app?
Mar 23 15:16:27 <sandrstar> hmm, no, investigating/experimenting if its possible to connect to multiple blogging services from single client at once. also, i've been programming just c for last 4 years, so before start any commercial app, need more study of webOS and web-programming
Mar 23 15:17:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah
Mar 23 15:17:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to learn objective c...
Mar 23 15:17:24 * PatrickC_Pre2 :'(
Mar 23 15:17:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> not looking forward to that
Mar 23 15:19:07 <sandrstar> javascript look really strange after c ))
Mar 23 15:21:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 15:24:22 <spiffyfitz_> ugh, ndrive will only work with 2.1 or higher
Mar 23 15:32:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> VZW Pixi Plus $53.89
Mar 23 15:33:28 <spiffyfitz_> got mine on ebay for $40
Mar 23 15:33:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> nice
Mar 23 15:33:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> nice
Mar 23 15:34:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> Pixi or Pre?
Mar 23 15:34:05 <spiffyfitz_> pixi+
Mar 23 15:34:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> Pre+ on Amazon for 45
Mar 23 15:34:27 <spiffyfitz_> it's supposed to come in the mail today or tomorrow, but USPS tracking sucks so i have no idea where it is
Mar 23 15:34:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 15:35:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: hi
Mar 23 15:35:22 <spiffyfitz_> can't complain, it's a new phone for super cheap, but outdated OS = sad :(
Mar 23 15:36:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> the veer is coming *in the coming months* lol
Mar 23 15:36:20 <cwayne> anyone else have no numbers next to their free downloads still
Mar 23 15:36:23 <spiffyfitz_> my contract isn't up for a long time :)
Mar 23 15:36:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> no numbers here cwayne
Mar 23 15:36:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib stole them all
Mar 23 15:39:01 <cwayne> lol
Mar 23 15:41:31 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: happy birthday!
Mar 23 15:44:50 <hotdp> happy birthday!
Mar 23 15:49:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> who upgraded to FF4 yet?
Mar 23 15:50:15 <SimpsonCH> yup
Mar 23 15:50:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> windows?
Mar 23 15:51:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> did you have FF3 or Minefield installed prior to upgrading?
Mar 23 15:54:32 <SimpsonCH> nono ubuntu
Mar 23 15:55:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he had a dual-boot ubuntu pc
Mar 23 15:57:30 <Tibfib> haeffb: it's your birthday?
Mar 23 16:01:11 <Tibfib> haeffb: regardless. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Mar 23 16:02:32 <Tibfib> well I will take it back if it isn't your birthday
Mar 23 16:02:49 <Tibfib> my happy birthdays are special and not to be handed out lightly
Mar 23 16:04:41 <maik> so <NDA censored topic>, that's fun, huh?
Mar 23 16:05:15 <Tibfib> heh I'll get enyo face if you violate nda
Mar 23 16:05:18 <Tibfib> hey*
Mar 23 16:05:22 <sugardave> yes, [redacted] is awesome!
Mar 23 16:05:35 <sugardave> and I also really like [redacted]
Mar 23 16:05:50 <Tibfib> the best part about [redacted] is [redacted]. amiright?
Mar 23 16:06:05 <hotdp> anyone worked with a offline html5 app?
Mar 23 16:06:14 <hotdp> (offline content) even
Mar 23 16:08:29 <hotdp> bummer
Mar 23 16:11:15 <HattCzech_work> ff4 is nice
Mar 23 16:12:03 <HattCzech_work> happy birthday, haeffb
Mar 23 16:12:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> is it better then Minefield x64?
Mar 23 16:12:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> cause, FF4 isn't x64.. its only x86
Mar 23 16:14:53 <cwayne> why would you need a web browser to be 64bit
Mar 23 16:15:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> cause that's what my dad wants...
Mar 23 16:15:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 16:15:29 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, FireFox4
Mar 23 16:15:52 <Tibfib> for sorting music what would you prefer "The Dog" or "Dog, The" if sorting by Dog ?
Mar 23 16:16:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> what about it ragingmind?
Mar 23 16:16:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib: The Dog
Mar 23 16:16:28 <Tibfib> that's one vote for the dog
Mar 23 16:16:30 <Tibfib> anyone else?
Mar 23 16:19:57 <sugardave> the other one
Mar 23 16:20:03 <sugardave> ignore articles: a, an, and the
Mar 23 16:20:49 <cwayne> yeah, articles should not be taken into consideration when sorting
Mar 23 16:22:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> or, just make it an option in the preferences
Mar 23 16:24:28 <Tibfib> sugardave, cwayne: I know. That's what I'm doing. the question is. put the article at the end, or just leave it there
Mar 23 16:24:47 <cwayne> id vote put it at the end
Mar 23 16:25:02 <Tibfib> 1 to 1
Mar 23 16:25:57 <Tibfib> any other input? :)
Mar 23 16:30:44 <HattCzech_work> Tibfib: sort without "The"
Mar 23 16:30:54 <Tibfib> ... lol
Mar 23 16:30:54 <HattCzech_work> (or "A" or "An")
Mar 23 16:31:19 <Tibfib> I am doing that. The question is to AFTER SORTING leave the article, or put it at the end ", the"
Mar 23 16:31:29 <HattCzech_work> when i'm looking for "The Beatles", i'm looking for "Beatles"
Mar 23 16:31:43 <HattCzech_work> put it at the end
Mar 23 16:31:59 <Tibfib> heh, okay 2 - 1 for putting it and
Mar 23 16:32:03 <Tibfib> at end*
Mar 23 16:32:43 <HattCzech_work> do you have the option for custom beginnings to ignore? cuz that might be helpful
Mar 23 16:32:54 <Tibfib> interesting idea
Mar 23 16:32:54 <HattCzech_work> like spanish words, etc
Mar 23 16:32:55 <Tibfib> I could do that
Mar 23 16:32:58 <HattCzech_work> "Los"
Mar 23 16:33:31 <HattCzech_work> i don't really listen to spanish music, but i know there are names like that
Mar 23 16:51:57 <joeb_> hola
Mar 23 16:52:01 <NuttyBunny> hey
Mar 23 16:52:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay
Mar 23 16:52:24 <joeb_> anything new ?
Mar 23 16:52:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> its haeffb_pre's bday
Mar 23 16:54:04 <joeb_> whose is gonna get a touchpad
Mar 23 16:54:12 * oil  
Mar 23 16:54:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> 
ACTION 

Mar 23 16:55:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> whose gonna get a pre3
Mar 23 16:55:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> 
ACTION 

Mar 23 16:55:55 <joeb_> not me
Mar 23 16:56:02 <joeb_> pre3 is gonna die in fire and flames!
Mar 23 16:56:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 slaps joeb_ on the hand
Mar 23 16:56:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> how dare you
Mar 23 16:56:27 <Tibfib> whoa. I just "made" a regex for the first time ever. I usually use ones on the internet
Mar 23 16:56:40 <Tibfib> a more complicated one
Mar 23 16:56:44 <Tibfib> I've done simple ones of course
Mar 23 16:57:20 <joeb_> PatrickC_Pre2 when you get a pre3 what will be the point of having your pre - + and pre 2 .. cause now all your stuff will be webos 3.0
Mar 23 16:57:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> 3.0 is tab I thought
Mar 23 16:57:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> and to dev on new devices
Mar 23 16:58:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know people with 1st gen iTouch/iPhones still
Mar 23 16:58:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> they still need the apps to work for them
Mar 23 16:58:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> same with the Pixi/Pre/Pre2
Mar 23 16:59:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> just got a folowup email from Palm about the download number issue
Mar 23 17:00:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> "The fix is in process, and you should see the numbers go back to normal soon"
Mar 23 17:07:55 <joeb_> i heard touchpad / webos 3.0 is nothing like how we do webos 2x
Mar 23 17:08:07 <joeb_> there is no swype back is there ?
Mar 23 17:08:37 <summatusmentis> the touchpad does not have a gesture area
Mar 23 17:09:33 <oil> Tibfib: yay
Mar 23 17:09:39 <Tibfib> to ?
Mar 23 17:09:47 <halfhalo> moo
Mar 23 17:10:43 <Tibfib> hmm. should I have an "option" for "ignoring a, an, the"?
Mar 23 17:10:44 <Tibfib> or just do it?
Mar 23 17:10:45 <oil> "Tibfib> whoa. I just "made" a regex for the first time ever"
Mar 23 17:10:51 <Tibfib> oil: lol
Mar 23 17:10:54 <Tibfib> it was weird.
Mar 23 17:11:06 * halfhalo has regex class that he hearts
Mar 23 17:11:12 <Tibfib> that'd be sweet
Mar 23 17:12:49 <halfhalo> its not as fast as pure regex, but it is a hell of a lot easier to read
Mar 23 17:14:05 <joeb_> im gonna have to google regex
Mar 23 17:14:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I am googling it now
Mar 23 17:14:53 <hotdp> Is it possible to create a app that has about 100mb of images and once in a while updates all images?
Mar 23 17:15:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> are the 100MB of images built into the app?
Mar 23 17:15:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> or on a server?
Mar 23 17:15:43 * halfhalo set his regex stuff up so that it has functions like .if, .or, .each, .then
Mar 23 17:16:15 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre2: anything is possible if you believe
Mar 23 17:16:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
Mar 23 17:16:26 <hotdp> they are on a server but the app must run offline
Mar 23 17:16:31 <hotdp> and then update some times?
Mar 23 17:16:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> hotdp: hmm I think there is a file limit to size for the app cat
Mar 23 17:17:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> but they can do what I do in Fantastic Wallpaper :)
Mar 23 17:17:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> save the image :)
Mar 23 17:17:23 <hotdp> the app is not big
Mar 23 17:17:29 <hotdp> it just have to download all the content
Mar 23 17:17:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> sounds good
Mar 23 17:17:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would defiantly use it
Mar 23 17:18:00 * PatrickC_Pre2 as long as there is car wallpaper in it
Mar 23 17:19:13 <joeb_> im bored
Mar 23 17:19:20 <joeb_> can i test 1.3
Mar 23 17:19:23 <joeb_> just for kicks ?
Mar 23 17:20:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> test 1.3?
Mar 23 17:24:55 <joeb_> its probably not even worth it
Mar 23 17:39:02 <spiffyfitz_> nooooo USPS guy just drove off...
Mar 23 17:39:08 <spiffyfitz_> no pixi+ today :(
Mar 23 17:39:44 <RagingMind> spiffyfitz_, depending on your area there could be a second truck
Mar 23 17:40:03 <RagingMind> I know up here there's one for the mail, then another truck that just does package deliveries
Mar 23 17:40:20 <spiffyfitz_> oh my GOD don't get m hopes up!
Mar 23 17:40:22 <spiffyfitz_> hahahaha
Mar 23 17:41:31 <spiffyfitz_> it's been 42 hours with no update from usps…. i know their tracking system blows but come ON!
Mar 23 17:41:36 <spiffyfitz_> this is why i hate ordering stuff online
Mar 23 17:42:34 <RagingMind> this is why I prefer to get stuff sent though UPS ;)
Mar 23 17:42:40 <RagingMind> much better tracking
Mar 23 17:51:23 <Tibfib> hmm does http://api.prototypejs.org/language/Array/prototype/uniq/ work on arrays of objects?
Mar 23 17:51:41 <madnificent> Tibfib: probably uses == to compare
Mar 23 17:52:11 <Tibfib> hmm. I'm not sure how objects compare using operators
Mar 23 17:52:30 <Tibfib> it does in fact use == (!=)
Mar 23 17:52:33 <Tibfib> which means ?
Mar 23 17:52:54 <madnificent> Tibfib: it usse array.include
Mar 23 17:53:00 <madnificent> yes, it works on objects...
Mar 23 17:53:18 <madnificent> depending on how you want your comparison to work... :)
Mar 23 17:54:05 <madnificent> Tibfib: var a = { a : 10 }; a == { a : 10 }; yields false for instance
Mar 23 17:54:34 <Tibfib> hmm. I have exactly the same objects.
Mar 23 17:54:49 <Tibfib> bbiab
Mar 23 17:55:11 <halfhalo> ===
Mar 23 17:58:15 <dawm> mmmmm jimmy johns
Mar 23 17:58:21 <halfhalo> lies
Mar 23 17:58:24 <RagingMind> eww...
Mar 23 18:00:33 <dawm> HAHAHAHAHAHA
Mar 23 18:00:40 <dawm> http://kamil212.com/nasioc/new/sicko.jpg
Mar 23 18:00:52 <dawm> totally work safe after you figure it out
Mar 23 18:00:59 <joeb_> dawm dood NSFW
Mar 23 18:01:06 <dawm> dude look at it again
Mar 23 18:01:12 <spiffyfitz_> DEYRE SO CUUUUUTE
Mar 23 18:01:19 <dawm> its piggies
Mar 23 18:01:53 <RagingMind> piggies!!!
Mar 23 18:02:33 <joeb_> haha
Mar 23 18:02:36 <joeb_> still
Mar 23 18:02:42 <dawm> :)
Mar 23 18:02:47 <joeb_> that is sad lol
Mar 23 18:03:06 <dawm> trust me i was like wtf at first
Mar 23 18:03:15 <joeb_> anyway #webos-internals is dead .. what are all the sim carriers
Mar 23 18:03:19 <SineOt> hmm?
Mar 23 18:03:20 <joeb_> ATT / t-mobile right ?
Mar 23 18:03:24 <joeb_> hbow about abroad
Mar 23 18:03:29 <joeb_> is o2 and vodaphone sim cards ?
Mar 23 18:03:29 <SineOt> in the US, yeah, barring a few small ones
Mar 23 18:03:37 <SineOt> abroad? Pretty much everything
Mar 23 18:03:49 <madnificent> dawm: hahaha.  NSFW though, as the first glance is wrong (and I think it's that that makes it NSFW)
Mar 23 18:03:52 <SineOt> except some carriers in China and Saudi Arabia
Mar 23 18:03:56 <SineOt> dawm: link! XD
Mar 23 18:04:03 <dawm> SineOt, http://kamil212.com/nasioc/new/sicko.jpg
Mar 23 18:04:12 <dawm> first glance NSFW, but you can explain it
Mar 23 18:05:20 <madnificent> dawm: "Yes sir, but them are piggies",  "Are the piggies work?", "what work?"
Mar 23 18:07:20 <SineOt> yayyyy, piggies :3
Mar 23 18:08:02 <SineOt> What does it say about me that I knew it was pigs at first glance? XD
Mar 23 18:08:12 <dawm> previous chat context
Mar 23 18:08:26 <dawm> you knew what you were walking into
Mar 23 18:09:00 <maik> i need some help with list formatters.  anyone know if formatters don't process a model's property if it is empty?
Mar 23 18:09:23 <maik> i want to change it if it is empty :/
Mar 23 18:10:33 <SineOt> List Formatters boggle my mind, so gooooood luck
Mar 23 18:11:22 <maik> i understand them, and the thing i have works, but only if i reverse the logic when checking for an empty property (ie. if the property isn't empty, it does exactly what i want it to)
Mar 23 18:11:32 <SineOt> joeb_: basically every carrier outside of the US and China and Saudi Arabia is going to be SIM based
Mar 23 18:11:47 <SineOt> but on different frequencies so the supported features might not actually work on your phone
Mar 23 18:15:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: wow
Mar 23 18:15:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 18:16:08 <SineOt> hey PatrickC_Pre2
Mar 23 18:16:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay sineoy
Mar 23 18:16:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/sineoy/sineot/
Mar 23 18:35:25 <dawm> why cant we have ads like this?
Mar 23 18:35:26 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKnr8gdoxI8
Mar 23 18:36:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> because, the HP would actually be helping us
Mar 23 18:37:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib: you can give the download numbers back anytime now :)
Mar 23 18:37:07 <dawm> HAHA WHAT THE F*(&*CK
Mar 23 18:37:08 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8kiGSY6jqc
Mar 23 18:37:25 <Tibfib> I think I'll keep it
Mar 23 18:38:47 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals tibfib's download numbers as a hostage 
Mar 23 18:39:04 <SineOt> wow, they really screwed up the simulated screen images
Mar 23 18:39:05 <dawm> so i bought some LEDs on ebay (100 for like $3).. it said it had free expedite shipping
Mar 23 18:39:09 <dawm> that was a week ago
Mar 23 18:39:10 <SineOt> they're like a frame or two off
Mar 23 18:39:24 <SineOt> expedited from when they actually ship them, dawm! :P
Mar 23 18:39:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: expedited shipping to ebay is like 1 month vs 6 months :p
Mar 23 18:39:40 <dawm> theyre coming from cali
Mar 23 18:39:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> go visit Chuq and pick em up :)
Mar 23 18:40:12 <SineOt> where in Cali?
Mar 23 18:40:27 <dawm> its next to Spanish Land
Mar 23 18:40:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> how hard would it be to build a nav app?
Mar 23 18:40:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> like sprint nav...
Mar 23 18:40:43 <SineOt> (If I had to guess if they're coming from Cali, it's something where they're waiting for them to get here from China before shipping them out)
Mar 23 18:40:49 <dawm> i dunno.. look at the src?
Mar 23 18:40:53 <SineOt> all of California is Spanish Land :I
Mar 23 18:41:04 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, it's called navit
Mar 23 18:41:17 <SineOt> and was up until the mid 1800s!
Mar 23 18:41:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> but you have to download the maps for navit
Mar 23 18:41:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm talking about making a sprint nav clone
Mar 23 18:41:44 <RagingMind> you have to download the maps for *any* nav app
Mar 23 18:41:52 <dawm> look at the src?
Mar 23 18:41:52 <SineOt> and we still have a lot of laws based on the Spanish system :9
Mar 23 18:41:53 <RagingMind> the difference is when they download
Mar 23 18:42:09 <SineOt> go to hell anglosaxon legal system
Mar 23 18:42:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, an app that downloads the maps as-needed
Mar 23 18:42:38 <dawm> look at the src?
Mar 23 18:42:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> as a viable replacement for sprint nav in 2.x
Mar 23 18:42:59 <SineOt> just use navit
Mar 23 18:43:12 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, check out cloudmade, they have web APIs for building such things
Mar 23 18:43:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> navit never worked for me or my dad
Mar 23 18:43:22 <SineOt> did you download the maps :V
Mar 23 18:43:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes sineot.....
Mar 23 18:43:46 <dawm> dude.. look at the source for the sprint nav app
Mar 23 18:43:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks ragingmind
Mar 23 18:43:59 <RagingMind> navit doesn't do address lookup in the US very well, but if you zoom in to the spots and create bookmarks to navigate to, it works great
Mar 23 18:44:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I heard (saw) you say that the first couple of times dawm :p
Mar 23 18:44:22 <dawm> well sh!t
Mar 23 18:44:25 <dawm> :P
Mar 23 18:44:41 <dawm> if you want the sprint app better, remix it
Mar 23 18:44:46 * SineOt puts PatrickC_Pre2 in a box
Mar 23 18:45:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 let me out of here!!!!
Mar 23 18:45:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 bangs on side of box
Mar 23 18:46:27 * SineOt puts it inside of a larger box
Mar 23 18:46:38 <dawm> when are we gonna drop the box in the lake?
Mar 23 18:46:55 <SineOt> next winter, when it starts to freeze over
Mar 23 18:47:10 <dawm> well its 33degrees here
Mar 23 18:47:12 <dawm> almost freezing
Mar 23 18:47:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 knocks the box over with his punching
Mar 23 18:47:36 <dawm> i seriously cannot believe he's still playing along
Mar 23 18:47:44 <dawm> btw.. what ever happened to kesne
Mar 23 18:47:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 23 18:47:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> its fun lol
Mar 23 18:48:01 <dawm> ever since connor showed up he's disappeared
Mar 23 18:48:26 <SineOt> IDK
Mar 23 18:48:39 <SineOt> I'm wondering where a lot of people went :c
Mar 23 18:48:44 <SineOt> but such is the nature of the internet
Mar 23 18:48:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> ragingmind: they don't show webos as a supported OS
Mar 23 18:49:32 <SineOt> folks have habits of just up and disappearing when they feel like it
Mar 23 18:49:46 <dawm> soo FF4 took cues from chrome.. and minimized its UI
Mar 23 18:49:49 <SineOt> leaving you to wonder just what, exactly, happened to them
Mar 23 18:49:59 <SineOt> yeah, but didn't minimize it enough, which is stupid
Mar 23 18:50:10 <SineOt> on OSX you still have a 22-28 pixel title bar
Mar 23 18:50:15 <SineOt> even with tabs on top
Mar 23 18:50:33 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, that wasn't my point at all
Mar 23 18:50:45 <RagingMind> they have web apis that you can use to build an app yourself
Mar 23 18:50:55 <Tibfib> kesne has been working on villo
Mar 23 18:50:58 <Tibfib> webosworld.com
Mar 23 18:51:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just found them ragingmind, I might try it :)
Mar 23 18:51:49 <SineOt> in fact, looking at Safari and FF4 side by side... They take up the same amount of space for the menu bars and such :I
Mar 23 18:51:56 <SineOt> kind of misses the point of aping Chrome
Mar 23 18:54:23 <RagingMind> my horseradish consumption is too low
Mar 23 18:55:27 <SineOt> Yum, horseradish :9
Mar 23 19:06:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> that CloudMade thing looks nice
Mar 23 19:06:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> I might actually try and make an app using their APIs
Mar 23 19:07:12 <SineOt> here I am, looking at button designs for inspiration, exploring textures and working on designing a tileable one... All while reading the MLP wiki :I
Mar 23 19:07:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> it could be an open source project where everyone gets involved :)
Mar 23 19:07:35 <RagingMind> it was kinda on my list as a way to learn how to make apps... but I really don't want to bother learning on mojo just to have to learn something else in a year
Mar 23 19:07:49 <SineOt> "Hyper Local Leaderboards" whaaaaatttt
Mar 23 19:07:51 <RagingMind> so I've started trying C instead :)
Mar 23 19:07:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> C...
Mar 23 19:08:13 <SineOt> Mojo is sticking around for a while though, it's not like it's laying on the guillotine right now
Mar 23 19:08:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> SineOt: My Little Pony wiki? lol
Mar 23 19:08:33 <SineOt> you're still going to have to use Mojo for the first few versions of webOS that ship on the Veer and Pre3
Mar 23 19:08:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> and the touchpad too I believe
Mar 23 19:08:53 <RagingMind> SineOt, it's EOL is still coming...
Mar 23 19:09:05 <SineOt> the Touchpad will run Mojo, yeah, but will be mostly Enyo
Mar 23 19:09:10 <RagingMind> C on the other hand... I doubt that'll fade out anytime soon :)
Mar 23 19:09:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> in a year or two ragingmind
Mar 23 19:09:36 <SineOt> RagingMind, if you're going to learn a C variant, I'd say learn Obj-C
Mar 23 19:09:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> but CouldMade is all web (JS and HTML)
Mar 23 19:09:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> only if you have a mac lol
Mar 23 19:10:32 <RagingMind> SineOt, I won't ever pay money for an apple product until they stop pissing me off
Mar 23 19:10:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 23 19:10:44 <RagingMind> and how much is Obj-C used outside of macs?
Mar 23 19:10:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> nowhere.. that I know of
Mar 23 19:11:02 <SineOt> every iPhone/iPad app :p
Mar 23 19:11:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> you can't even compile it (easily) without a Mac
Mar 23 19:11:15 <SineOt> and can be compiled against the PDK to make a webOS app
Mar 23 19:11:25 <RagingMind> SineOt, you couldn't pay me to take an iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
Mar 23 19:11:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> you could defiantly pay me
Mar 23 19:11:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> then I would sell it
Mar 23 19:11:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> and make more money
Mar 23 19:12:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 muahahaha
Mar 23 19:12:18 <RagingMind> I've never heard good things about their policies and the recent inclusion of a "cure the gay" app into their store is enough to make my blood boil
Mar 23 19:12:19 <SineOt> if I was going to code a PDK game, I'd might as well like quadruple my userbase in one swoop :p
Mar 23 19:12:35 <SineOt> That got pulled pretty quickly, thankfully
Mar 23 19:12:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> good
Mar 23 19:13:22 <RagingMind> until the person that allowed it in gets drug out on the lawn infront of their head quarters and humiliated... grrr
Mar 23 19:14:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> its ok ragingmind
Mar 23 19:14:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 pats ragingmind on the shoulder 
Mar 23 19:16:07 <RagingMind> The damage to people's lives that an app like that could further enable?  it's horrible.  allowing that app helped psychos HURT people
Mar 23 19:16:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> I never heard about the app :p
Mar 23 19:16:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> what was it about?
Mar 23 19:16:35 <SineOt> They're already hurting people with their program to begin with :/
Mar 23 19:16:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> or do I even want to know???
Mar 23 19:16:55 <RagingMind> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/7245-apple-pulls-anti-gay-app-after-online-petition-receives-146-000-signatures
Mar 23 19:17:41 <SineOt> Exodus basically runs sermons and programs and camps saying that you can "cure" someone of being homosexual
Mar 23 19:18:10 * RagingMind takes a break to breath,  bbl
Mar 23 19:18:56 <SineOt> I will say that Apple's app approval stuff is basically forced between a rock and hard place because of how closely it gets watched by the media :/
Mar 23 19:19:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea serously
Mar 23 19:19:25 <SineOt> You can't kill a lot of things silently without fear of someone, somewhere, raising a massive stink about how Apple is oppressing them
Mar 23 19:19:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> if that app came to webOS, I doubt we would get that much publicity
Mar 23 19:19:48 <SineOt> and a church, as fucked up as Exodus is, would probably raise a stink
Mar 23 19:21:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 23 19:21:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> just.....
Mar 23 19:21:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow.........
Mar 23 19:22:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> sineot: what do you think of my app idea?
Mar 23 19:22:24 <SineOt> what was it again
Mar 23 19:22:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> the navigation app using CouldMade's APIs
Mar 23 19:23:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> open source of course
Mar 23 19:23:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> so others could help me :)
Mar 23 19:23:34 <SineOt> sure, why not
Mar 23 19:23:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> how hard do you think it would be to make a decent navigation app?
Mar 23 19:24:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> and..
Mar 23 19:24:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> would *you* charge for it?
Mar 23 19:24:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> how many in here would contribute to the development of it?
Mar 23 19:24:57 <sugardave> maik: get your list formatters question answered?
Mar 23 19:25:13 <maik> i did, value was showing as undefined and i was checking for == ""
Mar 23 19:25:15 <maik> :)
Mar 23 19:25:20 <sugardave> ah
Mar 23 19:25:23 <sugardave> cool
Mar 23 19:25:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> would you contribute sugardave? :)
Mar 23 19:26:10 <sugardave> contribute to what?
Mar 23 19:26:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> making a decent navigation app for 2.x users on sprint
Mar 23 19:26:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> using CloudMade API-
Mar 23 19:26:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/API-/APIs/
Mar 23 19:27:02 <sugardave> hmmm, I'm kind of in a holding pattern to see what happens next week
Mar 23 19:27:07 <sugardave> so I can't commit at this time
Mar 23 19:27:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> its not something that I would need a commitment to help on... I would open-source it
Mar 23 19:27:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> so anyone could help
Mar 23 19:28:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> does it sound like a good idea?
Mar 23 19:31:19 <sugardave> sure, free navigation apps are a good idea
Mar 23 19:31:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would mainly be making it for sprint users
Mar 23 19:31:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> who are on 2.x
Mar 23 19:32:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> with no viable (legal) sprint nav
Mar 23 19:32:16 <SineOt> I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't mind having it
Mar 23 19:32:30 <SineOt> given that ATT charges for their Telenav and VZNav is for pay as well
Mar 23 19:32:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> then its settled
Mar 23 19:32:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> lets start now! :)
Mar 23 19:33:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> and we might even incorporate Just Type into it as well :)
Mar 23 19:33:56 <sugardave> put it on github
Mar 23 19:34:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> I will
Mar 23 19:34:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm getting the basics layed out now
Mar 23 19:34:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> check out cloudmade for more info on the APIs I'm using for it
Mar 23 19:35:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to figure out how to use github now :o
Mar 23 19:35:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 19:36:41 <SineOt> oh boy :3c
Mar 23 19:36:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> everything in here can be put into a webOS app, right?
Mar 23 19:36:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^ http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-api/examples
Mar 23 19:38:02 <SineOt> yeah, looks like it
Mar 23 19:38:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 23 19:41:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh boy
Mar 23 19:41:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> this looks like its gonna be fun :p
Mar 23 19:46:04 <Tibfib> so I thought my paypal dev payment went straight to my bank account
Mar 23 19:46:12 <Tibfib> tried to pay for a haircut. no go.
Mar 23 19:46:53 <halfhalo> awww
Mar 23 19:47:02 <Tibfib> it's okay tho. me and kevin are tight
Mar 23 19:47:13 <Tibfib> s/me and kevin/kevin and I/
Mar 23 19:47:46 <madnificent> Tibfib: tough luck
Mar 23 19:55:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I an build my scenes HTML just like any other web page with <script> tags, right?
Mar 23 19:58:19 <oil> :/
Mar 23 19:59:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil: the site I'm getting these APIs from uses straight HTML, and the APIs I'm using are for web
Mar 23 19:59:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> not webOS
Mar 23 19:59:21 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: you can add script tags, yes.  The initialization can be slightly different for certain elements.
Mar 23 19:59:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok good
Mar 23 19:59:39 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: but you can include <script> tags, or so it seems.
Mar 23 19:59:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> lets see if this works
Mar 23 19:59:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 crosses fingers
Mar 23 20:01:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> didn't work...
Mar 23 20:01:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> I practically copy-pasted the html...
Mar 23 20:03:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 23 20:03:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> the page pushes, and it allocates the section of the screen for the map...
Mar 23 20:03:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> but there is no map showing up
Mar 23 20:06:00 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: try to add debugging output in the js?
Mar 23 20:06:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I can do that for JS in the scene.html?
Mar 23 20:06:31 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: also: you could put the js in a separate file and load it manually.  That may look a tad better than a script tag.  (unless the script tag serves a different purpose than holding all the js for the library)
Mar 23 20:07:10 <madnificent> I'm not 100% sure.  But it's somewhat hard to imagine a solid architecture where the debugging system is set up after the page is parsed.
Mar 23 20:07:11 <madnificent> try it!
Mar 23 20:07:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 23 20:08:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> even when I open the .html file in my browser, nothing happens
Mar 23 20:08:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: you could contribute to this :)
Mar 23 20:08:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> there isn't any source yet though...
Mar 23 20:09:58 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: try it in the emulator...
Mar 23 20:10:07 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: I have no idea what you're trying to build :)
Mar 23 20:10:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> a navigation app :)
Mar 23 20:10:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> using CloudMade
Mar 23 20:11:22 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: this is my view on it, but keep in mind: I've been devving for less than a month ;)
Mar 23 20:11:27 <madnificent> you only need to place the div in your html
Mar 23 20:11:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll try that
Mar 23 20:11:41 <madnificent> the script tag stuff can be placed in your activate
Mar 23 20:11:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 23 20:11:53 <madnificent> http://tile.cloudmade.com/wml/latest/web-maps-lite.js
Mar 23 20:11:59 <madnificent> that file should be loaded before your scene
Mar 23 20:12:13 <madnificent> you might even load it always, if it's just a simple test
Mar 23 20:12:30 <madnificent> place it at the top of your sources.json so it's the first to get loaded
Mar 23 20:12:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 23 20:12:42 <madnificent> (that might be a bad idea btw, but it'd be my first guess)
Mar 23 20:13:04 <madnificent> (if it's a pita: load it the setup manually with a callback to see if it has been loaded)
Mar 23 20:13:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> we can try :)
Mar 23 20:13:57 <madnificent> also: I'd download the script and put it in your project.  That'll vastly improve the loading time
Mar 23 20:14:07 * madnificent ends rant
Mar 23 20:14:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> true
Mar 23 20:14:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> now, I have to figure out how to download it...
Mar 23 20:14:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 20:14:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm on the pre, not at a internet accessable PC
Mar 23 20:14:51 <sugardave> dude
Mar 23 20:14:52 <sugardave> that
Mar 23 20:14:53 <sugardave> is
Mar 23 20:14:54 <sugardave> retarded
Mar 23 20:15:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> we have been through this before sugardave...
Mar 23 20:15:26 <sugardave> yes, and you've plenty of time to get a cheap-ass PCMCIA NIC
Mar 23 20:15:32 <sugardave> you've HAD
Mar 23 20:15:38 <sugardave> $5
Mar 23 20:15:47 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: doesn't the pre have a wget command?
Mar 23 20:15:47 <madnificent> also: are you devving on the pre itself?!
Mar 23 20:16:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> by devving, you mean??
Mar 23 20:16:34 <sugardave> good luck madnificent
Mar 23 20:18:37 <madnificent> developing
Mar 23 20:18:45 <madnificent> sugardave: good luck on/for/why ?
Mar 23 20:18:53 <sugardave> you'll see
Mar 23 20:19:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm making the app on a old laptop, and using the phone for testing
Mar 23 20:22:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay jack87
Mar 23 20:22:39 <Jack87> hi PatrickC_Pre2
Mar 23 20:23:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: didn't work
Mar 23 20:23:25 <madnificent> did it throw you any errors?
Mar 23 20:23:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> a bunch lol
Mar 23 20:24:21 <madnificent> paste them somewhere :)
Mar 23 20:24:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> it told me that the http://tile... was an unexpected token
Mar 23 20:24:55 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: didn't I tell you wget the file and place it locally?
Mar 23 20:25:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying to do that now...
Mar 23 20:25:15 <madnificent> do that, it'll probably make your life easier afterwards :)
Mar 23 20:25:51 <madnificent> cd /foo/bar/app/; wget http://tile.cloudmade.com/wml/latest/web-maps-lite.js
Mar 23 20:26:00 <madnificent> (if there's a non-lite version, I'd download that, it probably has comments :)
Mar 23 20:28:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> downloaded the lite successfully
Mar 23 20:29:06 * sugardave falls over.
Mar 23 20:29:24 <madnificent> sugardave: get back up!!! quick!  we need you!
Mar 23 20:29:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> what, I actually did something right? lol
Mar 23 20:29:51 <rwhitby> morning
Mar 23 20:29:58 <sugardave> morning rwhitby
Mar 23 20:30:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning rwhitby
Mar 23 20:30:26 <madnificent> o7 rwhitby
Mar 23 20:31:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: it stoppe throwing the unexpected token error!
Mar 23 20:33:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it was throwing other errors
Mar 23 20:33:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> because I forgot a ) in there :o
Mar 23 20:35:03 <madnificent> computers don't understand jibberish :)
Mar 23 20:35:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 20:35:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: there is no "not lite" version that I see
Mar 23 20:35:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> but it did load!!! yay
Mar 23 20:35:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> the map didn't though :/
Mar 23 20:40:05 <madnificent> did it spit out any error?
Mar 23 20:40:33 * madnificent would like Bing maps in WebOS
Mar 23 20:40:40 <madnificent> at least for the short term
Mar 23 20:41:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> it told me it didn't like the web-maps.-lite.js
Mar 23 20:42:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the scene looks good otherwise :)
Mar 23 20:43:38 <vaibhav> any idea on how to work on webos using oauth, garcia's library doesn't seem to work for me, anybody have a complete example
Mar 23 20:44:22 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: in what way did it tell you it didn't 'like' it?
Mar 23 20:44:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: didn't you do something with oauth
Mar 23 20:44:43 <madnificent> vaibhav: if I knew I'd be coding vigorously for a pre2 ^_^
Mar 23 20:44:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> it told me "cannot read property"
Mar 23 20:46:42 <madnificent> which property
Mar 23 20:46:45 <madnificent> (document?)
Mar 23 20:47:01 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: you can paste the error somewhere, perhaps I see the issue at first sight
Mar 23 20:47:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 23 20:47:37 <madnificent> hello haeffb
Mar 23 20:48:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://pastebin.com/G67xirXS
Mar 23 20:49:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^there you go
Mar 23 20:51:10 <sugardave> vaibhav: check out any of the current Twitter apps, as I think they all have to use oauth now
Mar 23 20:51:25 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: doesn't tell me much, sorry
Mar 23 20:51:26 <sugardave> it is a major pita if you don't want to send the user to an external card to authorize the access request
Mar 23 20:51:34 <vaibhav> ok let me see
Mar 23 20:51:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: that's the whole log.. sorry
Mar 23 20:52:05 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: if you want more meaningful debugging output: replace ; with ; and a newline (and don't do that by hand ;))
Mar 23 20:52:14 <haeffb_pre> hey
Mar 23 20:52:34 <sugardave> vaibhav: I also had luck using some oauth library on github, with a copyright by netflix (but I think I've seen it elsewhere without said copyright notice, so not sure about its use)
Mar 23 20:52:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> how do I make it auto put a new line after every ; ?
Mar 23 20:52:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> or can u?
Mar 23 20:53:11 <vaibhav> it's MIT licensed, so it can be used, but seems to have some problem right now.
Mar 23 20:53:28 <sugardave> vaibhav: I had to hack on it a bit
Mar 23 20:53:44 <sugardave> basically just got the point where I could manually call the sign method when I needed to
Mar 23 20:53:49 <vaibhav> sugardave , ok
Mar 23 20:54:37 <sugardave> I can't give you my source right now, but when I get back to the hotel later tonight and you are still having trouble I can try to help more then
Mar 23 20:56:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> there is no way I'm going to hit enter after every ; with over 100,000 characters lol
Mar 23 20:56:33 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: investigate sed and awk
Mar 23 20:57:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks
Mar 23 20:59:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> there is no sed.eye :(
Mar 23 20:59:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/eye/exe/
Mar 23 21:00:26 <sugardave> bummer
Mar 23 21:00:29 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: drop me an email address
Mar 23 21:01:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> done
Mar 23 21:01:05 <rsanchez1> PERL
Mar 23 21:01:09 <rsanchez1> perfect for that thing
Mar 23 21:01:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it does what?
Mar 23 21:01:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> isn't PERL a language?
Mar 23 21:01:50 <rsanchez1> yeah
Mar 23 21:02:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the file is .js
Mar 23 21:02:15 <rsanchez1> write a Perl script to parse it
Mar 23 21:02:32 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't want to write a perl script
Mar 23 21:03:36 <rsanchez1> your options are either write a script to parse 100,000 characters, or hit enter after every ;
Mar 23 21:03:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> how hard is it to write said script?
Mar 23 21:04:08 <rsanchez1> not very hard at all
Mar 23 21:04:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> even for me?
Mar 23 21:04:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 21:04:39 * sugardave waits until PatrickC_Pre2 realizes there is no Perl runtime in Windows.
Mar 23 21:04:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes there is
Mar 23 21:05:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just found it :)
Mar 23 21:05:08 <sugardave> activestate?
Mar 23 21:05:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://www.perl.org/get.html
Mar 23 21:05:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 23 21:05:18 <sugardave> no, I meant included
Mar 23 21:05:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> nope, not included
Mar 23 21:05:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> downloadable
Mar 23 21:05:45 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: let me know if it worked.  It's the first mail I send from emacs :)
Mar 23 21:06:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> your email address is only "@"
Mar 23 21:06:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> no email address at all :p
Mar 23 21:08:50 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: so you did receive the email?
Mar 23 21:08:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
Mar 23 21:08:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> no attachment
Mar 23 21:09:36 <madnificent> it should be inline
Mar 23 21:09:39 <madnificent> bah, /me will look at it later
Mar 23 21:09:44 <rsanchez1> couldn'
Mar 23 21:09:53 <rsanchez1> couldn't you just get perl on your phone using ipkg-opt?
Mar 23 21:10:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> idk lol
Mar 23 21:10:51 <madnificent> rsanchez1: could you explain me what ipkg-opt is doing so great in two lines?
Mar 23 21:11:25 <rsanchez1> madnificent: what do you mean?
Mar 23 21:11:57 <rsanchez1> gah, I can't get ipkg-opt to work on my Pre 2
Mar 23 21:12:16 <rsanchez1> ipkg-opt list gives me "Successfully terminated."
Mar 23 21:13:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: I have a accurate line now :)
Mar 23 21:14:36 <SimpsonCH> great my Pre2 is confirmed, but they ran out of stock !
Mar 23 21:15:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: will you be on later?
Mar 23 21:15:37 <madnificent> SimpsonCH: they didn't reply me :(
Mar 23 21:15:48 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: I'm in CET, I doubt it :)
Mar 23 21:15:51 <madnificent> but I might be
Mar 23 21:15:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> CET?
Mar 23 21:16:06 <madnificent> Central European Time
Mar 23 21:16:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah
Mar 23 21:16:13 <madnificent> actually, I'm in CET+1, I think
Mar 23 21:16:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> what time is it there?
Mar 23 21:16:23 <madnificent> 22:12
Mar 23 21:16:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 23 21:17:00 * madnificent is going to send his app to the precentral guys, I think...
Mar 23 21:17:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> its 1613 now
Mar 23 21:17:07 <madnificent> hmm, perhaps a few minor edits
Mar 23 21:17:10 <rsanchez1> haha, turns out I need to run ipkg-opt update first
Mar 23 21:17:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> the tasks app?
Mar 23 21:17:32 <rsanchez1> well, perl is available via ipkg-opt, so you could have it on your phone instead of downloading the windows installer
Mar 23 21:17:56 <madnificent> rsanchez1: I've heard about people talking about it in the context of installing desktop-like software on your pre, but I don't know what it's really about and how it works.
Mar 23 21:18:27 <rsanchez1> oh, well not really desktop-like software, just useful linux packages, like perl or python
Mar 23 21:18:39 <rsanchez1> mostly things you run on the command line
Mar 23 21:19:04 <rsanchez1> PatrickC_Pre2: it really is a simple perl script to add new lines in front of ;
Mar 23 21:19:06 <sugardave> with webos-internals flair to keep everything in the right dirs so they don't get trounced when the OS updates
Mar 23 21:19:11 <rsanchez1> http://pastebin.com/FftsHWUH
Mar 23 21:19:57 <madnificent> rsanchez1: I was that far, but how does one add it to his pre?  Can it be ran by non-hackers (as in: can it be part of the app catalog) and where do I find a list of packages compiled for ARM?
Mar 23 21:20:22 <madnificent> sugardave <3 webosinternals
Mar 23 21:21:26 <rsanchez1> madnificent: you can add it using Preware
Mar 23 21:21:30 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware
Mar 23 21:21:41 <madnificent> ty ty ty
Mar 23 21:30:38 <SimpsonCH> any news on a updated eclipse plugin ?
Mar 23 21:31:57 <Loudergood> it's probably on the same shelf as the vbox 4 compatability
Mar 23 21:33:18 <SimpsonCH> well the compatibilty is there
Mar 23 21:33:38 <SimpsonCH> it works
Mar 23 21:33:48 <SimpsonCH> just not supported by the installer
Mar 23 21:46:01 <randomperson> Anyone think it will be possible that HP will bump the specs on the Pre 3 from 512mb to 1gb of ram, seeing that current and soon coming android phones have 768-1000mb...
Mar 23 21:50:16 <madnificent> randomperson: 1Gb of ram?! in a phone?!
Mar 23 21:50:36 <sugardave> randomperson: no
Mar 23 21:54:10 <randomperson> the evo 3d will have 1 gig
Mar 23 21:54:19 <randomperson> the evo shift has 768
Mar 23 21:56:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> that is a ton of RAM
Mar 23 21:56:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> for a phone
Mar 23 21:56:43 <randomperson> i don;t know ho efficent webos is with ram
Mar 23 21:57:05 * madnificent wonders how bad android is with memory
Mar 23 21:57:16 <funkatron> IN A PHONE>????><@>#!
Mar 23 21:57:32 <rsanchez1> my computer only has 1.5G RAM
Mar 23 21:57:40 <rsanchez1> and now they have phones with 1G
Mar 23 21:57:45 * madnificent wonders how long it will take the slow phone flash memory to fill up that GB
Mar 23 21:58:03 <madnificent> rsanchez1: your computer is now being PWNED by a phone :)
Mar 23 21:58:19 <randomperson> but after the no webos 2.x updates to legacy (256mb phones, though 2.x seemingly runs well on this) how is 512 enough to last 2 years?
Mar 23 21:58:29 <rsanchez1> but it still has 2.4GHz processor, so take that phone
Mar 23 21:58:49 <madnificent> randomperson: I think the real issue was a missed deadline, not the lack of memory
Mar 23 21:59:47 <randomperson> evo 3d will have 1.2ghz processor. It seem to be the only thing the pre will be ahead on is the cpu
Mar 23 22:00:00 <rsanchez1> isn't it a 1.2Ghz dual-core though?
Mar 23 22:00:04 <randomperson> and webos :)
Mar 23 22:00:32 <Loudergood> and I don't doubt battery life either
Mar 23 22:00:45 <randomperson> oh it is darn...
Mar 23 22:00:58 <Loudergood> if the nintendo 3ds is anything to go by, 3d displays are hungry
Mar 23 22:01:11 <randomperson> so it's as good as the palm pad...
Mar 23 22:01:32 <randomperson> the evo 3d i mean
Mar 23 22:02:50 <InfiniteLoop> hi all
Mar 23 22:02:55 <randomperson> While i know specs aren't everything, it seems like the pre is being launced as a seond class smartphone when compared to the competition.
Mar 23 22:04:12 <InfiniteLoop> have a question regarding the clock app, I notice that if I leave open the clock app and wake the device from sleep the clock app immediately updates. What event should I listen to to achieve this ?
Mar 23 22:04:51 <InfiniteLoop> would it be the Mojo.Event.stageActivate ?
Mar 23 22:12:16 <joeb_> anyone alive ?
Mar 23 22:12:48 <randomperson> i am
Mar 23 22:12:50 <joeb_> im trying to get authkeys  ssh to my pre .. i generated keys on my desktop and need to get them to my pre
Mar 23 22:12:55 <joeb_> or vica versa
Mar 23 22:13:19 <randomperson> But can be of now help with that :/ sorry
Mar 23 22:13:20 <joeb_> the keys are on my pre when i plug it in .. there on /media/interlas
Mar 23 22:14:26 <randomperson> *But I can be of no help with that :/ sorry
Mar 23 22:18:57 <InfiniteLoop> joeb_:  is there even a ssh client on palm pre ?
Mar 23 22:26:08 <joeb_> i doubt it
Mar 23 22:26:14 <joeb_> port 22 is open
Mar 23 22:26:31 <joeb_> i know what to do
Mar 23 22:26:32 <joeb_> :D
Mar 23 22:26:39 <joeb_> webos quick install
Mar 23 22:26:57 <madnificent> joeb_: doesn't scp work?
Mar 23 22:27:04 <joeb_> nope
Mar 23 22:27:08 <joeb_> i still need public keys
Mar 23 22:27:13 <joeb_> i generated them on my pc
Mar 23 22:27:21 <joeb_> also when i install openssh on the pre it generated them
Mar 23 22:27:24 <madnificent> mail them?
Mar 23 22:27:37 <madnificent> and then use the terminal app to move them to the correct location?
Mar 23 22:27:39 <joeb_> yea but i need to save them to .ssh
Mar 23 22:27:45 <madnificent> I know, it's not a real solution, but still
Mar 23 22:27:47 <joeb_> termail dosen't work on 2.1
Mar 23 22:27:51 <madnificent> oh
Mar 23 22:27:59 <madnificent> sorry, next one in the channel may be of help
Mar 23 22:28:57 <Loudergood> well..you can use xterm..that does work in 2.1
Mar 23 22:29:14 <joeb_> i think there is a file manager in preware
Mar 23 22:45:17 <maik> is there a css property that does something to the effect of "even though this div doesn't have anything in it, make sure it shows up in the right size for the given font anyways" ?
Mar 23 22:55:24 <madnificent> maik: like setting the width and the height of it?
Mar 23 22:55:33 <madnificent> (and that'll be it)
Mar 23 22:56:04 <maik> ya i guess, didn't want to set an explicit height/width if i didn't have to.  just going to throw in a &nbsp; then
Mar 23 23:03:58 <sugardave> maik: set height/width in ems :)
Mar 23 23:04:14 <maik> what's em?
Mar 23 23:04:47 <sugardave> it's relative to font-size, something like how big an em-dash is in a particular font
Mar 23 23:04:52 <sugardave> damn this connection sucks
Mar 23 23:05:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> then get a better connection
Mar 23 23:05:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
Mar 23 23:05:40 <sugardave> people need to start working with ems anyway...it will be the way to handle varying display sizes
Mar 23 23:06:10 <sugardave> s/this connection/the hops from Bogota to my machine at home where I am ssh'd in/
Mar 23 23:06:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 23:06:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> why don't you just use the hotel internet?
Mar 23 23:07:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> and why are you ssh'd into your home pc?
Mar 23 23:08:57 <sugardave> it is the hotel Internet...that's how I ssh there :/
Mar 23 23:09:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> and why are you ssh'd into your home pc?
Mar 23 23:09:29 <sugardave> I do it this way so I can use screen and never be logged out of IRC unless my laptop goes down
Mar 23 23:09:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> what is the point of SSH? I never did understand it...
Mar 23 23:09:52 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 23 23:09:57 <sugardave> you're  kidding, right?
Mar 23 23:10:27 <sugardave> ssh === secure shell, the better alternative to telnet to remotely access your machine
Mar 23 23:10:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't looked at it much
Mar 23 23:10:35 <RagingMind> sugardave, I use znc
Mar 23 23:10:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> can't liveMesh do that on windows?
Mar 23 23:10:48 * sugardave looks.
Mar 23 23:11:26 <RagingMind> sugardave, just an irc proxy, but it's handy because sometimes when I'm at home I use a couple different computer and they can all be connected without having 3 of me in a room
Mar 23 23:11:38 <sugardave> ah
Mar 23 23:11:44 <RagingMind> and then I can use my GUI irc clients... cause I hate irssi
Mar 23 23:11:54 <sugardave> but it will still suffer me getting disco'd if my laptop goes down?
Mar 23 23:11:59 <sugardave> I like irssi :)
Mar 23 23:12:16 * PatrickC_Pre2 looks up this "irssi"
Mar 23 23:12:51 <RagingMind> the only computer I need to keep on to stay connected is the one znc is running on (currently my mythbox)
Mar 23 23:12:55 <dawm> i used to love irc bouncers
Mar 23 23:13:23 <sugardave> RagingMind: cool, I will take a look at it deeper when I'm back home
Mar 23 23:13:40 <dawm> i used to have some sweet vanity bounces back in the day
Mar 23 23:14:09 <dawm> like lysol.org (before they clamed it)
Mar 23 23:14:14 <sugardave> haha
Mar 23 23:14:15 <dawm> i used to own teflon.net back in the day too
Mar 23 23:14:22 <dawm> as well as bubblebobble.com
Mar 23 23:14:34 <dawm> back when it was $70/yr
Mar 23 23:14:49 * sugardave used to own os2warp.com.
Mar 23 23:14:59 <dawm> i used to run os2warp
Mar 23 23:15:02 <sugardave> but the only one I ever made money on was i-s.com
Mar 23 23:15:19 <dawm> i sold bubblebobble.com to bubandbob.com for $150 via ebay
Mar 23 23:15:38 <dawm> i approached them before i auctioned it and got no reply, and at the last minute they jumped in and won the auction
Mar 23 23:15:47 <sugardave> bastards
Mar 23 23:15:58 <dawm> i was only looking to get 150 heh
Mar 23 23:16:02 <dawm> i was getting sick of paying for it
Mar 23 23:16:10 <sugardave> oh, well then not horrible :)
Mar 23 23:16:14 <cwayne> lol
Mar 23 23:16:27 * cwayne owns like 30 domains and would love to sell some
Mar 23 23:16:44 <RagingMind> cwayne, is one of them throck.net?
Mar 23 23:16:47 <dawm> i sold it back in 99
Mar 23 23:16:52 <cwayne> lol nope
Mar 23 23:16:56 <dawm> so i was .. 18 at the time
Mar 23 23:17:04 <RagingMind> aww... I keep waiting for that one to open up
Mar 23 23:17:23 <dawm> i only own a few now
Mar 23 23:17:34 <cwayne> i only use a few
Mar 23 23:17:38 <dawm> detroitneonowners.org, neontuners.com, justaneon.com, biocandy.com/org, st1ck3rs.com
Mar 23 23:18:07 <RagingMind> dawm, you own a neon and are willing to admit it?
Mar 23 23:18:13 <sugardave> hahaha
Mar 23 23:18:14 <dawm> yes
Mar 23 23:18:17 <RagingMind> you sure you live in michigan?
Mar 23 23:18:22 <dawm> best place to own one
Mar 23 23:18:35 <dawm> i had my transmission worked on by the guy that designed it for chrysler :)
Mar 23 23:19:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 23 23:19:22 <RagingMind> the father of a good friend of mine retired from chrysler recently... he was so excited because now he can justify buying a different brand of car
Mar 23 23:19:45 <dawm> i own one, but i havent driven it since 01/03/07
Mar 23 23:19:53 <dawm> i drive a 06 STi daily :)
Mar 23 23:21:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals dawm's car
Mar 23 23:21:18 <RagingMind> I just looked up pictures, it's cute in a dorky box-car kind of way
Mar 23 23:21:31 <cwayne> dawm: you happen to know the exact date you last drove it?
Mar 23 23:21:55 <dawm> cwayne, its the day i bought it, drove it home, tore it apart. its a fun/weekend/track car, wasnt meant for daily use
Mar 23 23:22:06 <dawm> been rebuilding it entirely for drag racing
Mar 23 23:22:18 <dawm> RagingMind, 300hp awd isnt dorky :)
Mar 23 23:22:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> got slicks on it?
Mar 23 23:22:44 <dawm> not currently but they're in the garage
Mar 23 23:22:51 <RagingMind> dawm, I never said the insides were... but that styling... I just can't take it seriously
Mar 23 23:23:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> the STi is amazing lol
Mar 23 23:23:12 <dawm> heh, well its considered a sports car
Mar 23 23:23:23 <sugardave> so...webOS cars....IT COULD HAPPEN!
Mar 23 23:24:23 <cwayne> yeah well, nobody can beat my 99 camry
Mar 23 23:24:26 <RagingMind> sugardave, I'd take a car-console webos box LONG before I'd invest in a webos toaster
Mar 23 23:24:27 <cwayne> bitches love 99 camrys
Mar 23 23:24:28 <cwayne> lolol
Mar 23 23:24:40 <RagingMind> HPalm, PLEASE?! :)
Mar 23 23:24:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 votes for webOS car
Mar 23 23:25:10 * RagingMind drives a '97 thunderchicken
Mar 23 23:25:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 drives nothing :'(
Mar 23 23:26:16 <sugardave> "I was not satisfied with this app. I know it says don't blame the app for the feeds but they are the ones who have them linked to their app. The feeds that were in my area are always offline and there are not many on the list. If you leave in a rural area I would not purchase this app."
Mar 23 23:26:22 <sugardave> f you, asshole
Mar 23 23:26:24 <sugardave> 1 star
Mar 23 23:26:37 <dawm> whenever i get around to throwing in the new clutch and getting the standalone properly tuned, my neon should be good for 300whp
Mar 23 23:26:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: what app?
Mar 23 23:26:57 <sugardave> Scan Do!
Mar 23 23:26:57 <dohtem> lmao sugardave, what app is this for?
Mar 23 23:26:59 <cwayne> sugardave: i wish you could respond to stupid reviwes
Mar 23 23:27:34 <sugardave> this is the stuff that really makes me want to create a 3rd-party review site where devs CAN respond to reviews
Mar 23 23:27:41 <JenP> hi all!
Mar 23 23:27:44 <sugardave> hi JenP
Mar 23 23:27:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay JenP
Mar 23 23:27:55 <JenP> hi guys
Mar 23 23:27:58 <dohtem> sugardave: do it!
Mar 23 23:28:07 <sugardave> I just may...
Mar 23 23:28:17 <JenP> do what?
Mar 23 23:28:30 * oil reviews sugardaves review website somewhere he can't respond
Mar 23 23:28:33 <sugardave> 3rd-party app review site where devs can respond to reviews
Mar 23 23:28:43 <sugardave> oil: :P
Mar 23 23:28:46 <JenP> ohhHHhhhh that would be sweet
Mar 23 23:28:52 <sugardave> indeed
Mar 23 23:29:00 <dohtem> Developer response: "Screw you dipshit.  I'm out!"
Mar 23 23:29:12 <JenP> lol
Mar 23 23:29:15 <dawm> whats that one site that somehow pulls the app reviews
Mar 23 23:29:22 <dawm> its by the cydia guy
Mar 23 23:29:27 <sugardave> cyrket.com is one
Mar 23 23:29:31 <sugardave> that one I think
Mar 23 23:29:32 <dohtem> http://www.myappbox.com/
Mar 23 23:29:46 <dawm> thats it cyrket
Mar 23 23:29:47 <dohtem> oh, cyrket is by saurik
Mar 23 23:30:11 <dawm> i wonder how he pulls the app reviews
Mar 23 23:30:21 <dawm> he or they
Mar 23 23:30:24 <oil> with an app on device
Mar 23 23:30:33 <dohtem> dawm: Palm feeds, iirc
Mar 23 23:30:34 <oil> that reads the catalog and fills his db
Mar 23 23:30:35 <sugardave> are they not in the feeds?
Mar 23 23:30:36 <sugardave> ah
Mar 23 23:30:40 <oil> no, he gets stuff not in the feeds
Mar 23 23:30:42 <oil> like reviews
Mar 23 23:30:48 <dawm> gotcha
Mar 23 23:30:59 * sugardave kicks the packets to make them go faster.
Mar 23 23:31:02 <cwayne> slow to update though
Mar 23 23:31:15 * madnificent sent his app to precentral for review
Mar 23 23:31:20 <dawm> like i would really love to reply to reviews
Mar 23 23:31:30 <dawm> sometimes they just dont understand whens omething isnt possible
Mar 23 23:31:34 <dawm> like the mycokerewards app
Mar 23 23:31:42 <dawm> they want to take a picture of the cap and have it figure out the codes..
Mar 23 23:31:48 <dawm> sometimes a human cant even figure out the codes
Mar 23 23:32:17 <dawm> so i get 3 stars instead of 5 because of that
Mar 23 23:32:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> my uncle is gonna get his wife a shift :/
Mar 23 23:32:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying to talk him out of it lol
Mar 23 23:32:31 <oil> heh
Mar 23 23:32:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll show him the Pre3
Mar 23 23:32:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> he might change his mind :)
Mar 23 23:32:40 <madnificent> a what? shift?
Mar 23 23:32:45 <dohtem> I love when they suggest these "improvements" like they are being helpful
Mar 23 23:32:46 <dawm> evo shift
Mar 23 23:32:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> Evo Shift 4G
Mar 23 23:32:50 <cwayne> 100% thought you said shit
Mar 23 23:32:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 23:33:01 <dawm> OR
Mar 23 23:33:08 <dawm> i get 1 star and a good review.. wtf is that
Mar 23 23:33:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> the shift/epic (ewwwww)
Mar 23 23:33:38 <madnificent> hmmm,  I could release another beta of tasks@hand :) pompom, doubt doubt
Mar 23 23:33:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> shift == crap
Mar 23 23:33:47 <ShadeS> keyboardless == crap
Mar 23 23:33:47 <dawm> or a no star - This is awesome!
Mar 23 23:33:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> shift has a KB
Mar 23 23:34:04 <ShadeS> it does?
Mar 23 23:34:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> so does the epic
Mar 23 23:34:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 23 23:34:10 <ShadeS> good to hear
Mar 23 23:34:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> the evo doesnt
Mar 23 23:34:14 <dawm> the shift has a crappy kb
Mar 23 23:34:18 * oil wonders why #webos has so much android talk :/
Mar 23 23:34:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes it does
Mar 23 23:34:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> the epic is even crappier lol
Mar 23 23:34:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil: we are bashing :)
Mar 23 23:34:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 23:34:41 * madnificent wonders how oil can think
Mar 23 23:34:52 * PatrickC_Pre2 isn't gonna bash oil :)
Mar 23 23:34:55 <ShadeS> oil: i've noticed it too, well since I got my droid anyway
Mar 23 23:34:59 <dawm> my ex left her pre for a epic.. then complained about the gps not working and not being able to use 4sq
Mar 23 23:35:08 <oil> ShadeS: :/
Mar 23 23:35:09 <dohtem> can you leave a review for an app you didn't download?
Mar 23 23:35:14 <dawm> no
Mar 23 23:35:15 <cwayne> that why you dumped her?
Mar 23 23:35:22 <dohtem> how do you get, "Could not download this application." then?
Mar 23 23:35:26 <RagingMind> my BF bought a Pixi online and then decided he didn't want to pay for data, so then he bought a "feature phone" with a big keyboard for his texting (samsung alias 2)  he *loves* the eink keyboard
Mar 23 23:35:39 <dawm> dohtem, they bought it, or started a download and then it failed (no signal?)
Mar 23 23:35:44 <dohtem> ah
Mar 23 23:35:48 <dohtem> bummer
Mar 23 23:35:48 <sugardave> if the download fails, it still counts as them trying to purchase/download it
Mar 23 23:35:52 <sugardave> and they get to review
Mar 23 23:35:54 <dawm> once palm thinks you have it, you can do reviews
Mar 23 23:35:56 <sugardave> right
Mar 23 23:36:04 <ShadeS> oil: i mean not to be a hater, but the droid just works better than the pre it seems 8 /
Mar 23 23:36:12 <dohtem> and they blame the poor devs :(
Mar 23 23:36:13 <cwayne> event hough its really not our fault if it doesnt download
Mar 23 23:36:14 <ShadeS> well might have had everything to do with the specific phone i had
Mar 23 23:36:20 <ShadeS> as it was serious hardware
Mar 23 23:36:32 * oil didn't mean for his comment to spawn more android talk :/
Mar 23 23:36:42 <madnificent> LoL
Mar 23 23:36:46 <ShadeS> lol
Mar 23 23:36:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 23 23:36:54 <madnificent> hey oil, why aren't you in the beta list of my tasks@hand app?
Mar 23 23:36:54 <RagingMind> oil, well, HP hasn't given us much to talk about lately :(
Mar 23 23:37:01 * madnificent tries to get the subject back to palm
Mar 23 23:37:06 <oil> you didn't send it to me
Mar 23 23:37:09 <ShadeS> when hp bought palm, i was kind of owrried that's the end of palm
Mar 23 23:37:11 <ShadeS> and their os
Mar 23 23:37:15 <ShadeS> and hp is going to fk sht up
Mar 23 23:37:23 <ShadeS> and turn it into a failplatform 8 (
Mar 23 23:37:28 <madnificent> oil: so you'll /msg me an email address (it's google groups)
Mar 23 23:37:34 <madnificent> (and I need to send out an update)
Mar 23 23:38:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> bye all
Mar 23 23:40:38 <oil> madnificent: brandonvb@gmail
Mar 23 23:40:46 * halfhalo spams
Mar 23 23:40:54 <oil> gmail takes care of halfhalo spam
Mar 23 23:41:11 <ShadeS> what do i need to download to convert my movie files into a format the pre can load?
Mar 23 23:41:24 <SineOt> Handbrake
Mar 23 23:41:25 <dawm> mp4
Mar 23 23:42:18 <ShadeS> handbrake?
Mar 23 23:42:48 <ShadeS> it's from france?!
Mar 23 23:43:06 <SineOt> yup
Mar 23 23:43:35 <ShadeS> i thought htey had restrictive IP
Mar 23 23:43:36 <ShadeS> and 3 strikes
Mar 23 23:44:25 <ShadeS> i see ipod presets
Mar 23 23:44:29 <ShadeS> but no palm presets
Mar 23 23:44:45 <SineOt> hint: your Pre is using the same chips as an iPhone
Mar 23 23:45:10 <ShadeS> I didn' tknow that
Mar 23 23:45:23 <ShadeS> eitherwy it's clearly marketed towards /that/ demo graphic
Mar 23 23:45:36 <ShadeS> if they refuse to even put anywhere in there that it's also for palm pre, just being expected to know 8 /
Mar 23 23:45:47 <ShadeS> it won't convert .flv ?
Mar 23 23:45:56 <SineOt> if you want something that's stupidly complex and obtuse, then by my guest :I
Mar 23 23:46:03 <ShadeS> lol
Mar 23 23:47:18 <dohtem> any more rumors on when the Veer will drop?
Mar 23 23:47:41 <ShadeS> veer?
Mar 23 23:47:52 <SineOt> soon, from what I've seen
Mar 23 23:47:56 <ShadeS> what's that all about
Mar 23 23:47:59 <ShadeS> vere away from it maybe? ;)
Mar 23 23:48:04 <oil> eventually
Mar 23 23:48:05 <SineOt> they've been talking about it a lot in some of the press releases
Mar 23 23:48:14 <SineOt> and aiming for "Sprint" means well, before June :p
Mar 23 23:48:38 <SineOt> ughghghg text correct ffff
Mar 23 23:48:40 <SineOt> Spring
Mar 23 23:48:52 <madnificent> oil: just a sec, I'll add you when I send the mail, need to handle some finances
Mar 23 23:50:33 <ShadeS> nothing's coming out before apr9?
Mar 23 23:50:38 <ShadeS> else I'll have to pick stuff up after august
Mar 23 23:52:04 <dohtem> in Exhibition mode, it looks like the photos app causes the emulator to blow up
Mar 23 23:52:34 <ShadeS> exhibition mode, that reminds me, has anyone heard of that new software called flaseflesh?
Mar 23 23:52:58 <ShadeS> it's suppose to photoshop on flesh over clothing for pervers to take your facebook photos and turn them into pornography
Mar 23 23:53:12 <ShadeS> i wonder how long until it's ported to mobile platforms
Mar 23 23:53:30 <SineOt> dunno, April 9th is a few weeks ago, it's possible
Mar 23 23:53:35 <SineOt> er, away
Mar 23 23:54:38 <ShadeS> ago?
Mar 23 23:54:40 <ShadeS> it's still march
Mar 23 23:54:40 <ShadeS> lol
Mar 23 23:54:49 <ShadeS> yeah well i'll be on a field trip in the sanbox until august
Mar 23 23:55:17 <SineOt> still adjusting to some pretty aggressive text correction :p
Mar 23 23:56:36 <madnificent> oil: are you interested in GTD apps, or do you want a simple todo-list.  If you want the former, I'll send an invite :)
Mar 23 23:57:31 * oil doesnt know what GTD stands for
Mar 23 23:57:35 <oil> sounds like something i dont want to catch
Mar 23 23:58:00 <madnificent> oil: Getting Things Done, book by David Allen
Mar 23 23:58:17 <dohtem> lol oil
Mar 23 23:58:21 <Tibfib> what a square
Mar 23 23:58:23 <madnificent> yeah LoL
Mar 23 23:58:40 <Tibfib> or more.. what a cylinder!
Mar 24 00:00:08 <SineOt> the cylinder… Something that keeps on rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling once you tip it over!
Mar 24 00:00:43 <dohtem> SineOt: depends on the height & radius
Mar 24 00:00:53 <oil> what would you know of physics, you're an otter
Mar 24 00:01:05 <Tibfib> win
Mar 24 00:01:29 <SineOt> fish = cylinder with a face on one end!
Mar 24 00:01:37 * oil was expecting halfhalo to chime in there with: YOUR A TOWEL!
Mar 24 00:02:21 <dohtem> some folks on the official forums should be restricted to a max number of posts per day
Mar 24 00:02:55 <Loudergood> some people should be throttled on irc as well
Mar 24 00:03:07 <Tibfib> why
Mar 24 00:03:08 <Tibfib> I
Mar 24 00:03:10 <Tibfib> outta
Mar 24 00:03:12 <Tibfib> report
Mar 24 00:03:12 <Tibfib> you
Mar 24 00:03:25 <dohtem> I love you Tibfib
Mar 24 00:03:25 <Tibfib> for
Mar 24 00:03:26 <Tibfib> being
Mar 24 00:03:27 <Loudergood> lol
Mar 24 00:03:27 <Tibfib> a
Mar 24 00:03:28 <Tibfib> jerk
Mar 24 00:05:07 <SineOt> Google needs to work on Google translate so that it can take "barely passes as English forum speech" and translate it into something useful. :p
Mar 24 00:05:19 <Tibfib> dohtem: ..thanks!
Mar 24 00:06:10 <oil> lol
Mar 24 00:06:38 <oil> dohtems heart is broken now
Mar 24 00:06:55 <oil> he said he loved tibfib, and all tibfib said back was "... thanks?"
Mar 24 00:07:21 <Tibfib> psh. It was an explanation point.
Mar 24 00:07:31 <dohtem> it was more like and enthusiastic, "THANKS!"
Mar 24 00:07:34 <dohtem> AN*
Mar 24 00:07:42 <Tibfib> definitely
Mar 24 00:09:26 <oil> know whats needed here?
Mar 24 00:09:27 <oil> snacks
Mar 24 00:09:29 * oil brb
Mar 24 00:09:46 <dohtem> snack healthy!
Mar 24 00:09:58 * rwhitby is in a bad mood today
Mar 24 00:10:36 <Tibfib> geo-restriction got you down?
Mar 24 00:10:56 <SineOt> rwhitby: have some otters http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ligp9et01Y1qzs75go1_500.jpg
Mar 24 00:11:03 <Loudergood> someone's been looking at twitter
Mar 24 00:11:19 <rwhitby> SineOt: gotta love otters
Mar 24 00:11:21 <dohtem> rwhitby: picking a random stranger and savagely beating him to within an inch of his life usually gets my spirits up.
Mar 24 00:11:42 <SineOt> s'hard not to cheer up lookin' at otters!
Mar 24 00:11:59 <SineOt> you've got kung fu otters http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh6h4tIkkF1qzs75go1_500.jpg
Mar 24 00:12:14 <Tibfib> hahah
Mar 24 00:12:19 <SineOt> retarded otters who don't know how to catch snow http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh2s1z0WOX1qzs75go1_500.jpg
Mar 24 00:12:24 <rwhitby> Tibfib: no, it's the whole "We need to scale globally" line from HP/Palm, where "global" means "the US plus selected other European countries, but only if you are on one of our blessed carriers"
Mar 24 00:12:46 <dohtem> SineOt: you have all these bookmarked?
Mar 24 00:12:50 <Tibfib> sigh
Mar 24 00:12:57 <Tibfib> palm needs to get their crap together
Mar 24 00:13:02 <SineOt> dohtem: naaaah, just pokin' around on DailyOtter.org
Mar 24 00:13:35 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 24 00:13:37 <Tibfib> that exists?
Mar 24 00:13:40 <SineOt> not really sure what this guy is so captivated by http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfqm5kXwgq1qzs75go1_500.jpg
Mar 24 00:13:51 <SineOt> but it sure must be interesting
Mar 24 00:14:22 <Tibfib> they're cute
Mar 24 00:14:32 * Tibfib wants a pet otter
Mar 24 00:14:41 <Tibfib> well
Mar 24 00:14:55 <SineOt> they get into everything
Mar 24 00:15:03 <SineOt> they're like ferrets on crack
Mar 24 00:15:31 <Tibfib> hmm. Yeah. I want them while they're happy and good mannered
Mar 24 00:15:56 <RagingMind> gah! I love otters!
Mar 24 00:15:56 <SineOt> and not dragging all the sheets off the bed just to roll around in them and make a burrito? :3c
Mar 24 00:16:12 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 24 00:21:59 <sugardave> rwhitby: I like the Preware day of protest idea...but make it just be a form letter to email to people at Palm about how it sucks for so many geos to be left out in the cold
Mar 24 00:23:04 <madnificent> sugardave: geos: as in people that can't buy a pre?
Mar 24 00:23:26 <sugardave> that can't purchase apps in the official catalog
Mar 24 00:23:53 <madnificent> oh, that'll be me as well
Mar 24 00:24:08 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: thanks
Mar 24 00:24:25 <sugardave> you're welcome?
Mar 24 00:24:28 <sugardave> oh right
Mar 24 00:24:30 <sugardave> b-day
Mar 24 00:24:41 <sugardave> partying hard?
Mar 24 00:24:54 <haeffb_pre> bday wishes earlier
Mar 24 00:25:07 * haeffb_pre been in n out of coverage
Mar 24 00:26:35 <haeffb_pre> my father-in-law had a stroke on sunday before last. unable to speak. but sang happy birthday this morning. made my day...
Mar 24 00:26:50 <sugardave> wow, that is awesome
Mar 24 00:26:51 <madnificent> oh, happy birthday
Mar 24 00:26:54 <madnificent> en cool!
Mar 24 00:26:57 <madnificent> s/en/and/
Mar 24 00:28:04 <haeffb_pre> he's making a little progress each day. #comingback
Mar 24 00:29:01 <sugardave> it's interesting because my grandmother is in advanced dementia and recently had a stroke, but my mom says she was singing all kinds of songs while on the morphine drip for her broken hip
Mar 24 00:32:05 <SineOt> sugardave: morphine does weird, strange things to some people
Mar 24 00:32:16 <haeffb_pre> they say singing is easier than talking. and reading easier than recognizing individual letters. crazy.
Mar 24 00:32:29 <sugardave> wow, that is crazy
Mar 24 00:32:57 <SineOt> reading isn't really about recognizing individual letters, oddly enough
Mar 24 00:33:33 <SineOt> Example: Acdicorng to a resaerch at an engilsh unvirsiety, it doesn't matter in what order the letetrs in a word are, the only imaortpnt thing is that first and last letter is at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it wihtout prlobem. This is beucase we do not read every letter by iteslf but the word as a whole. Chreeio.
Mar 24 00:33:47 <RagingMind> SineOt, yup
Mar 24 00:34:05 <RagingMind> I've seen many examples of that
Mar 24 00:34:26 <sugardave> right here in IRC even
Mar 24 00:35:15 <SineOt> Eevn tihs srtaem of bhslilut is siltl esay to raed whotiut tnhkinig too mcuh aoubt it, dptsiee it bnieg aslomt ctepomle gbirsibeh. Aslo oterts.
Mar 24 00:35:16 <SineOt> :U
Mar 24 00:35:46 <RagingMind> I still love otters
Mar 24 00:41:14 <haeffb_pre> Mizzou basketball coach leaves for Arkansas.
Mar 24 01:16:53 <cwayne> i like turtles
Mar 24 01:19:27 <sugardave> hmmm, I guess "undo retweet" doesn't actually undo it
Mar 24 01:20:28 <oil> thats what you get for retweeting
Mar 24 01:20:40 <sugardave> *shame*
Mar 24 01:24:52 <joeb_> sugardave: or oil you alive ?
Mar 24 01:25:02 <oil> no
Mar 24 01:25:04 * sugardave checks his pulse.
Mar 24 01:25:07 <sugardave> I think so
Mar 24 01:25:25 <joeb_> can somebody tell me what the first line of palm-build-info says
Mar 24 01:25:34 <joeb_> should day Palmwebos 2.1 something
Mar 24 01:25:39 <joeb_> s/day/say/
Mar 24 01:25:44 <sugardave> ummmm
Mar 24 01:26:11 * oil leaves that for sugardave to handle :)
Mar 24 01:26:25 <sugardave> lucky for me I don't have to think about that too hard because I don't have my Pre 2 with me
Mar 24 01:26:28 <sugardave> back to oil!
Mar 24 01:26:38 <joeb_> heh
Mar 24 01:33:32 <joeb_> ...
Mar 24 02:01:56 <PatrickC_Pre> hay all
Mar 24 02:03:55 <joeb_> yo
Mar 24 02:04:00 <joeb_> everybody is dead at
Mar 24 02:04:03 <joeb_> s/at/atm/
Mar 24 02:05:18 <bpadalino> brrraaaiiinnnsssss
Mar 24 02:05:37 <bpadalino> becoming undead leaves you with such a craving for them
Mar 24 02:09:55 <joeb_> my pre acts up sometimes
Mar 24 02:10:02 <joeb_> i just re-metadocotred
Mar 24 02:10:12 <joeb_> and i tried to sync my facebook contacts and my google contacts
Mar 24 02:10:20 <joeb_> facebook got there first and i can't find my google contacts
Mar 24 02:10:23 <joeb_> 0_o
Mar 24 02:13:16 <PatrickC_Pre> hit the re-sync button?
Mar 24 02:13:27 <PatrickC_Pre> and which version of the meta?
Mar 24 02:19:44 <joeb_> im noticing something
Mar 24 02:19:54 <joeb_> contacts created on the pre don't auto sync to google do they ?
Mar 24 02:20:06 <joeb_> i've added many contacts and whatever i do google says 354 contacts
Mar 24 02:20:07 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm not sure..
Mar 24 02:20:09 <joeb_> its never changed
Mar 24 02:20:14 <PatrickC_Pre> what OS version?
Mar 24 02:20:57 <joeb_> 2.1
Mar 24 02:21:08 <joeb_> its only happend on my pre even on 1.4.5
Mar 24 02:21:14 <joeb_> when i had android it went back and forth
Mar 24 02:21:15 <joeb_> wierd
Mar 24 02:22:18 <PatrickC_Pre> its because you had android :p
Mar 24 02:22:26 <joeb_> lol
Mar 24 02:22:31 <joeb_> it probably jacked everything up
Mar 24 02:22:37 <PatrickC_Pre> I might have talked my uncle to going the way of webOS :D
Mar 24 02:23:02 <PatrickC_Pre> I told him the clock speed of the pre3, and he said, wow.. that's faster then my evo...
Mar 24 02:23:04 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Mar 24 02:24:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> joeb_ what android device did you have?
Mar 24 02:25:09 <joeb_> PatrickC_Pre2: mytouch3g
Mar 24 02:25:12 <joeb_> it was gay
Mar 24 02:25:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 24 02:25:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> tmobile...
Mar 24 02:25:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> the *forgotten* network :p
Mar 24 02:25:30 <joeb_> nop
Mar 24 02:25:36 <joeb_> i have ATt so i had to unlock it
Mar 24 02:25:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> unlocked?
Mar 24 02:25:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Mar 24 02:25:47 <joeb_> 3g sucked ass
Mar 24 02:25:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 24 02:26:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> 4G is much better
Mar 24 02:26:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> you gots a pre+ now?
Mar 24 02:26:43 <joeb_> yep
Mar 24 02:26:48 <joeb_> remember i couldn't get a pre for a wihle
Mar 24 02:26:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 clapps
Mar 24 02:26:53 <joeb_> cause it was broke
Mar 24 02:27:03 <joeb_> i was gonna go back to android an get a inspire 4g
Mar 24 02:27:07 <joeb_> but i didn't have teh money
Mar 24 02:27:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> next: a Pre2!
Mar 24 02:27:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> or a veer
Mar 24 02:27:34 <joeb_> craigslist saved me
Mar 24 02:27:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 24 02:27:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> craigslist FTW!
Mar 24 02:28:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I mite work more on that app later guys
Mar 24 02:28:18 <joeb_> mmk
Mar 24 02:28:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't have PC internet access, so if someone wants the source, I can email them a .zip
Mar 24 02:31:55 <SineOt> 4G is eh eh
Mar 24 02:32:01 <SineOt> battery killer and the coverage still sucks
Mar 24 02:32:34 <joeb_> i don't undetsand
Mar 24 02:32:48 <joeb_> all these top of the line phones / iphone / android / palm but they can't get the battery right
Mar 24 02:32:52 <joeb_> 0_o
Mar 24 02:33:23 <SineOt> battery tech kind of hit a technological plateau with the move to lithium ion cells
Mar 24 02:33:46 <SineOt> and with demand for phones to get smaller and smaller, you get fewer and fewer free space to put a battery
Mar 24 02:34:04 <SineOt> and power draw of the parts can only get wrangled down so much when you're trying to do a 1GHZ phone driving a massive screen
Mar 24 02:34:22 <donc> I don't see a ssh app in the Pre catalog, is this something I can get elsewhere for my Pre2?
Mar 24 02:34:36 <SineOt> but there's all sorts of weird battery tech on the horizon
Mar 24 02:34:42 <joeb_> donc: its in preware
Mar 24 02:34:53 <joeb_> donc: are you trying to get you pre to be a ssh server ?
Mar 24 02:35:17 <donc> joeb_: no, i want to be able to ssh to a server from my pre
Mar 24 02:35:27 <joeb_> aw
Mar 24 02:35:37 <joeb_> ssh from it then
Mar 24 02:35:42 <joeb_> install xterm
Mar 24 02:36:00 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: did you do what I said?
Mar 24 02:36:05 <joeb_> install xterm then type ssh
Mar 24 02:36:09 <joeb_> you will see its installed
Mar 24 02:36:12 <SineOt> stuff like NiFe and LiFePo
Mar 24 02:36:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> what did you say to do again sugardave?
Mar 24 02:36:41 <sugardave> make
Mar 24 02:36:41 <sugardave> a
Mar 24 02:36:42 <sugardave> github
Mar 24 02:36:43 <sugardave> project
Mar 24 02:36:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes I did
Mar 24 02:37:03 <sugardave> then just tell us the link
Mar 24 02:37:05 <donc> joeb_: thanks
Mar 24 02:37:06 <sugardave> no need to email
Mar 24 02:37:11 <joeb_> donc: yep
Mar 24 02:37:20 <SineOt> I think LiFePo stuff will be interesting in the coming years if they can get the density up a bit
Mar 24 02:37:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't put it on github yet
Mar 24 02:37:43 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 24 02:37:45 <sugardave> wtf?
Mar 24 02:37:48 <SineOt> just for the fact that a LiFePo can be recharged a few hundred more times than a LiPo
Mar 24 02:38:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't been at a real PC yet
Mar 24 02:38:52 <joeb_> PatrickC_Pre2: fake pc ?
Mar 24 02:38:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> old poc
Mar 24 02:39:07 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 24 02:39:13 <joeb_> lol
Mar 24 02:39:15 <sugardave> old pcs get on the Internet, too
Mar 24 02:39:16 <sugardave> it's not that hard
Mar 24 02:39:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> my dad doesn't want to buy a pci card for it
Mar 24 02:39:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> :'(
Mar 24 02:39:51 <sugardave> then you buy it
Mar 24 02:39:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> and the one I have doesn't work
Mar 24 02:40:03 <sugardave> go to the goodwill computer store for fuck's sake
Mar 24 02:40:11 <halfhalo> they are like 10 bucks
Mar 24 02:40:16 <haeffb> joeb_: Do you create new contacts in your google account or in Palm Profile account?
Mar 24 02:40:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok sugardave... calm down
Mar 24 02:40:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> he doesn't want the laptop on the internet
Mar 24 02:40:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> otherwise he would buy me one
Mar 24 02:40:43 <sugardave> or way less
Mar 24 02:40:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I'm not gonna go behind his back and buy one
Mar 24 02:41:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying to get/saving up for a new PC
Mar 24 02:41:09 <joeb_> haeffb: i actually don't know .. i know that when i import my contacts from google .. from there i have my gogole account that i used to import the contacts as a defult account .. after that i just started adding contacts
Mar 24 02:41:11 <SineOt> ~catch up on school instead of making apps~
Mar 24 02:41:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying :p
Mar 24 02:41:24 <joeb_> haeffb: at teh bootom of pres of cotnacts i think it says all new contacts will be added to this account
Mar 24 02:41:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> I was working on the app today on a break
Mar 24 02:41:38 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: if getting a new PC would get you on the Internet, why would he let you do that and not buy a < $10 card?
Mar 24 02:41:38 <joeb_> s/bootom/bottom/ s/pres/prefs/
Mar 24 02:41:41 <sugardave> you make zero sense
Mar 24 02:41:44 <haeffb> yes, it does, which account?
Mar 24 02:41:46 <sugardave> you fail logic
Mar 24 02:41:47 <sugardave> I should not be surprised
Mar 24 02:42:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> the PC can't do much of anything...
Mar 24 02:42:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> it is good for nothing but a text editor
Mar 24 02:42:11 <joeb_> haeffb: my google account that i used to import my contacts from google
Mar 24 02:42:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> the emu won't even launch on it
Mar 24 02:43:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> its a total poc
Mar 24 02:43:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 24 02:43:15 <sugardave> again I ask
Mar 24 02:43:34 <sugardave> why would he let you buy a new pc that CAN get on the Interenet, if he won't let you buy a card to get this one on the Internet?
Mar 24 02:43:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> it takes >5 min to launch safari on it
Mar 24 02:44:09 <SineOt> sugardave: TURN LEFT DALE NOOOOOOOOOOO
Mar 24 02:44:16 <sugardave> I know
Mar 24 02:44:18 <sugardave> pointless
Mar 24 02:44:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> because, can control the web I see/can use on the new one better then he can on this one
Mar 24 02:44:27 <sugardave> no
Mar 24 02:44:30 <sugardave> that's false
Mar 24 02:44:37 <sugardave> a firewall is a firewall
Mar 24 02:44:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> internet filters
Mar 24 02:45:03 <halfhalo> can be moved
Mar 24 02:45:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> and this one takes forever to do anything on
Mar 24 02:45:07 <SineOt> we all know PatrickC_Pre2 browses insane granny porn when he gets the chance
Mar 24 02:45:28 <oil> lol
Mar 24 02:45:33 * halfhalo counts the number of3g devices ALONE in his room...... 7
Mar 24 02:45:36 <sugardave> your point (as I said I should know better) is completely invalid
Mar 24 02:45:37 * oil doesnt know anything about that
Mar 24 02:45:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1 3g device, 2 wifi
Mar 24 02:46:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1 wifi doesn't work (lost battery)
Mar 24 02:46:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: I'm not going to go behind my dads back and buy a pci card when he doesn't want me to
Mar 24 02:47:11 <sugardave> fine, but you will spendd WAY more money to do the thing he doesn't want you to do?
Mar 24 02:47:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> the laptop with internet would be locked down to the bone...
Mar 24 02:47:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> only allowing stuff for school probably
Mar 24 02:47:54 <sugardave> and that is different than locking down the one you have now...how?
Mar 24 02:48:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> and if I do win this laptop, he will probably take it and use it
Mar 24 02:48:09 <SineOt> and yet you have full internet access on your device
Mar 24 02:48:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> and he won't let me buy a laptop (no matter how much money I save)
Mar 24 02:48:36 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: does your pre2 have internet access?
Mar 24 02:48:39 * halfhalo counts the number of wifi devices in his room.... 20ish
Mar 24 02:48:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
Mar 24 02:48:51 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: sounds like he's already lost that battle then
Mar 24 02:49:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I can't do half the stuff on the pre2 then I could on a laptop
Mar 24 02:49:25 <SineOt> Yeah you can
Mar 24 02:49:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/then/that
Mar 24 02:49:36 <SineOt> If he's going to lock it down, it's probably to stop PORN
Mar 24 02:49:47 <SineOt> and you've got full flash + browser on your Pre2
Mar 24 02:50:05 <destinal> I gave my 12 year old unrestricted access to the internet, but monitor her proxy logs occasionally.  I trust her.  but it doesn't hurt to keep aware
Mar 24 02:50:07 <sugardave> I'm sure there's more than porn they want to keep him from
Mar 24 02:51:04 <destinal> also I monitor her email, which I try to avoid needing to read.  I think that's enough.
Mar 24 02:51:05 <SineOt> oh yeah
Mar 24 02:51:14 <rwhitby> destinal: we have the computer in the common room where an adult is always around and able to see what is on the screen
Mar 24 02:51:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> my dad monitors my email too..
Mar 24 02:51:37 <SineOt> I forgot about the reptilian plot to over throw america via healthcare and how Steve Jobs is the antichrist and the iPhone is the mark of the beast
Mar 24 02:51:42 <halfhalo> thats whatI did, computer in common room
Mar 24 02:51:55 <sugardave> SineOt: that's on the allowed list
Mar 24 02:52:13 <halfhalo> well, when we got broadband that is
Mar 24 02:52:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here. our PC with internet is in a common room
Mar 24 02:52:25 <sugardave> OH
Mar 24 02:52:29 <sugardave> so you HAVE an Internet PC
Mar 24 02:52:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
Mar 24 02:52:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes we do
Mar 24 02:52:37 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: I used BBS systems and the internet with my own modem back when my parents had no idea what it was, and could run circles around them.  still, I don't think I did anything they would have minded if they were watching, except wardialing once and maybe porn.  childish teenager stuff generally :)
Mar 24 02:52:40 <sugardave> where you COULD upload the source to github
Mar 24 02:52:43 <sugardave> interesting
Mar 24 02:52:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
Mar 24 02:52:48 <sugardave> yet you still refuse to yuse it
Mar 24 02:52:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> but not tonight
Mar 24 02:52:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have set up github
Mar 24 02:52:59 <sugardave> and every night since you've been in #webos
Mar 24 02:53:06 <sugardave> and every night in the foreseable future, it seems
Mar 24 02:53:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just set it up 2 days ago
Mar 24 02:53:35 <sugardave> destinal: wardialing ONCE?  come on...
Mar 24 02:53:49 <sugardave> we're all friends here
Mar 24 02:54:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: I will upload it to github tomorrow or friday (once I figure out how to push stuff to github)
Mar 24 02:54:42 <SineOt> I used to try to figure out how to get our Dreamcast online with out AOL dialup :C
Mar 24 02:54:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have the SAT's tomorrow
Mar 24 02:54:52 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 24 02:54:54 <destinal> sugardave: heh, I was unlucky and hit a number that was being monitored by law enforcement, awkward visit from local police cured me of that particular form of curiousity.  I may have minimized it a bit saying I wrote a computer program that dialed the wrong number  ;)
Mar 24 02:55:17 <sugardave> the real SAT or the homeschool SAT for "non-secular studies"?
Mar 24 02:55:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Mar 24 02:55:19 <oil> and the cops believed/understood that?
Mar 24 02:55:25 * oil is shocked
Mar 24 02:55:40 <sugardave> destinal: haha, lucky
Mar 24 02:55:49 <sugardave> that must have been in the 80s or 90s
Mar 24 02:55:50 <sugardave> early 90s
Mar 24 02:56:14 <rwhitby> destinal: so you have a history, hey? ;)
Mar 24 02:56:19 <destinal> sugardave: early 90's, and they were looking for a much older stalker with an MO that made him extremely unlikely to be me
Mar 24 02:56:34 <destinal> not a computer randomly dialing #'s :)
Mar 24 02:56:44 <halfhalo> suuure
Mar 24 02:56:48 * sugardave fondly remembers Tone-Loc.
Mar 24 02:56:50 <sugardave> *sniff*
Mar 24 02:56:59 <destinal> sugardave: yup, that was the one
Mar 24 02:57:28 <sugardave> I found my red box in the office the other day
Mar 24 02:57:34 <sugardave> talk about a blast from the past
Mar 24 02:57:59 <destinal> rwhitby: hehe.  I was curious, and eventually figured out a career in information security made it possible to poke around and find my way into things in socially acceptable ways :)
Mar 24 02:58:11 <sugardave> destinal: rock on :)
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