**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 24 02:59:58 2011 Mar 24 03:00:42 I look at some of the teenagers doing webos development and wonder what things would be like if I'd been born later. the stuff that's possible, even fairly easy to get into now is amazing Mar 24 03:01:08 way more access to information Mar 24 03:01:31 oh I know what you mean...I wonder what I could have done if I had grasped peek/poke when I was learning Basic at 9 Mar 24 03:01:44 s/Basic/BASIC/ Mar 24 03:02:25 infobot apparently doesn't care about capitalization Mar 24 03:02:40 oil: or he's just not here Mar 24 03:02:41 we don't have one :( Mar 24 03:02:44 oh Mar 24 03:02:44 (#webos) Mar 24 03:02:45 that too Mar 24 03:03:08 halfhalo is why we can't have nice things Mar 24 03:03:16 lol Mar 24 03:03:27 * halfhalo whistles Mar 24 03:03:46 sugardave: I ended up teaching myself binary disk access in an effort to modify my savegames and somehow stumbled into learning 65xx assembly. Mar 24 03:04:19 sugardave: that commodore 64 was awesome Mar 24 03:06:06 * halfhalo looks at all those low level languages and goes pah Mar 24 03:06:10 destinal: I was lazier and used the tools others made...but I did manage to hexedit out the copy protection on Pools of Radiance Mar 24 03:06:45 halfhalo: kids these days :P Mar 24 03:06:45 I still have my C128 in the hopes that some day I will have time to set it up and play on it again Mar 24 03:07:00 lol Mar 24 03:07:06 or sell it to a museum Mar 24 03:07:23 I need a power supply and I think one of the keys is missing Mar 24 03:07:45 gotta take care of your stuff man Mar 24 03:07:54 that and my 2400 bps modem were the shit Mar 24 03:08:01 _2400_ Mar 24 03:08:10 * oil atari 2600 still works perfectly Mar 24 03:08:33 sugardave: wow, 1541 ultimate, based on an FPGA, emulates disks from disk images on sd card Mar 24 03:08:45 ok, we've gotten really off topic, but apparently people still hack on these machines Mar 24 03:08:49 cool Mar 24 03:08:57 destinal: ooo, that sounds nice Mar 24 03:09:32 oil: I don't have my 2600 anymore...but I will probably inherit my grandparents' (Sears VCS system) Mar 24 03:10:35 this makes me want to go play "combat" Mar 24 03:10:50 because names back then were simple Mar 24 03:10:51 video pinball ftmfw Mar 24 03:11:44 too bad combat 2 never came out Mar 24 03:11:51 lol Mar 24 03:11:58 heh Mar 24 03:13:05 we should bring back wood trim on electronics Mar 24 03:13:17 screwn plastic and glass Mar 24 03:13:30 teakwood Pres! Mar 24 03:13:36 * oil would buy Mar 24 03:21:21 are you guys having fun remembering the olden days :) Mar 24 03:33:37 crap, I forgot to ask vaibhav if he/she had any luck with oauth Mar 24 03:34:51 he/she will be back soon Mar 24 03:34:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 hopefully Mar 24 03:36:06 well, I'm off to beddieby Mar 24 03:36:09 night all Mar 24 03:36:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 yawns Mar 24 03:40:17 night Mar 24 05:39:41 Hey all Mar 24 05:48:23 yo Mar 24 07:11:01 Good morgning Mar 24 07:20:36 morning Mar 24 07:21:08 mornings swisstomcat Mar 24 07:21:22 the geo restritions ARE frustrating Mar 24 07:21:50 I dont understand why they dpn't give any official statements Mar 24 07:22:53 My theory is that they don't want our money. Mar 24 07:23:10 hi hotdp Mar 24 07:34:18 Yayay Mar 24 07:34:20 Villo <3 Mar 24 07:34:22 Anywho Mar 24 07:34:35 kesne! Mar 24 07:34:42 rwhitby! Mar 24 07:34:54 how ya doin, bro? Mar 24 07:35:01 Haha, doing okay. Mar 24 07:35:21 Development-wise, tired. Put so many hours into Villo, and finally got a release out today. Mar 24 07:35:28 Personally, who cares! Mar 24 07:35:59 not me ;) Mar 24 07:36:03 haha Mar 24 07:36:05 exactly! Mar 24 07:38:02 If I was paid by the hour with Villo, I'd be rich Mar 24 07:38:14 lol Mar 24 07:38:41 need to check out villo .. i've signed up Mar 24 07:38:51 is adora in the room? Mar 24 07:38:56 The docs on it are, well, nonexistent at the moment Mar 24 07:38:58 She is! Mar 24 07:39:30 kesne: i think you need to tell us more what villo is all about Mar 24 07:39:44 i had no idea until i signed up Mar 24 07:39:44 webosworld.com/villo-services Mar 24 07:39:46 havent the geo restrictions always been around? Mar 24 07:39:54 dohtem: yeah Mar 24 07:40:13 swisstomcat: Isn't that a good desc? Mar 24 07:40:19 maybe I'm missing something but why all the press about it lately? Mar 24 07:40:27 well, that wasn't there yesterday :) Mar 24 07:40:46 swisstomcat: Haha, actuallyyyyyy, it's been there since Feb 28th. Mar 24 07:40:48 dohtem: the goal is to get rid of them … and it seems they might not Mar 24 07:41:07 kesne: there was no link to it anywhere :) Mar 24 07:42:18 swisstomcat: http://webosworld.com/2011/02/28/welcome-to-the-new-webos-world/ Mar 24 07:42:19 :P Mar 24 07:42:47 kesne: but there was not link to it in my welcome mail .. that's all i saw Mar 24 07:43:02 Ah Mar 24 07:43:05 Well, yeah Mar 24 07:43:11 That's what it is :P Mar 24 07:43:24 you sent me a special invitation .. but did not mention what villo is at all Mar 24 07:43:35 I'll tell Noah about that Mar 24 07:43:38 He manages that end Mar 24 07:43:41 good, good Mar 24 07:43:58 Just so you know, you're special! Mar 24 07:44:11 oh really? Mar 24 07:44:24 We've only sent out 12 invites Mar 24 07:44:28 i've heard of other receiving the same email and wondering what villo is Mar 24 07:44:47 Yeah Mar 24 07:44:58 I'll tell Noah to include details in the next 12 tomorrow. Mar 24 07:45:03 Thanks for that feedback, heh Mar 24 07:45:41 good to hear Mar 24 07:48:11 I must be going Mar 24 07:48:26 It's nearly 1, and I have a date tomorrow, heh. Mar 24 07:51:12 kesne: treat her right Mar 24 07:51:21 don't talk nerd stuff :) Mar 24 07:51:35 hehe Mar 24 07:52:10 dohtem: yes, app cat restrictions have always been there Mar 24 07:56:08 rwhitby: Psh, who do you think I am? I'm very geeky, but I also have a relatively normal side to me. I even play guitar and sing! Mar 24 07:56:21 kesne: yeah, I've seen the white jeans. Mar 24 07:58:47 rwhitby: She digs the white jeans ;) Mar 24 07:59:02 kesne: she's a keeper then. Mar 24 07:59:10 Haha Mar 24 07:59:21 Probably not, but we'll see Mar 24 07:59:33 lots of bleach Mar 24 08:00:06 kesne: better hope she doesn't see these logs, or you'll be out of luck tomorrow night. Mar 24 08:00:43 rwhitby: Haha, lucky me she's no techie. And hey, nothing wrong with honesty. She's absolutely crazy. Mar 24 08:22:00 Hrm, in the last few days my Pres seem to have been getting some smarts. Calls from numbers not in my address book are getting tagged with "MOBILE NUMBER" or the originating telephone exchange. Mar 24 08:22:11 Maybe it is Telstra's doing. Mar 24 08:47:20 I hate my pre battery :-( Mar 24 08:47:52 it goes from 100 to 86 in minutes Mar 24 08:50:51 will overclocking at 1ghz do that ? Mar 24 08:51:24 maybe you need a new battery? Mar 24 08:51:29 did you test it with dr. battery? Mar 24 08:52:03 yer, how old is it? Mar 24 08:52:15 its a new phone Mar 24 08:52:27 new pre 2? Mar 24 08:52:39 no pre + Mar 24 08:53:04 have you tryed to restart the phone? Mar 24 08:53:23 i have tryed to have "deadlocks" on my phone so the battery would drain very fast Mar 24 08:53:35 ... it Will be dying stil Mar 24 08:55:30 get the dr. battery app from preware .. that will show you the battery state/health Mar 24 08:55:45 I will try 800mhz Mar 24 09:53:30 moin Mar 24 09:54:33 moin Mar 24 09:55:42 møjn Mar 24 09:58:30 hotdp: you win Mar 24 09:58:46 lol Mar 24 09:58:56 its how we spell it in southern denmark Mar 24 09:59:14 MORGEN IHR WASCHLAPPEN Mar 24 09:59:18 :D Mar 24 09:59:56 :S Mar 24 10:01:20 hotdp: southern denmark has a separate spelling? Mar 24 10:03:13 mojn is only used in "jylland" who is the west side og denmark Mar 24 10:03:22 the middle would spell it like Mojn Mar 24 10:03:33 but close the boarder to germany it could be Møjn Mar 24 10:03:49 the rest of Denmark dont use it at all Mar 24 10:04:36 that's awesome Mar 24 10:05:08 i belive its a left over from the south being in german position Mar 24 10:05:20 My grand mom did not like the word at all Mar 24 10:05:29 because it reminds her of the war Mar 24 10:05:36 hmm Mar 24 10:05:51 europe is interesting language vise Mar 24 10:05:52 wise Mar 24 10:06:02 yer Mar 24 10:06:11 even in a small country like switzerland .. where dialects can be valley-specific Mar 24 10:06:19 yer Mar 24 10:06:42 the dialects in southern denmark is so different that the people in like copenhagen dont understand ANYTHING:) Mar 24 10:07:06 i think its nice Mar 24 10:07:15 charming Mar 24 10:07:29 hotdp: interesting Mar 24 10:14:50 bbl Mar 24 12:41:38 hi Mar 24 12:41:55 hey Mar 24 13:52:38 dkirker: how was the first day? Mar 24 14:00:00 sounds hard Mar 24 14:07:22 hotdp: indeed :) Mar 24 14:34:02 Jeg ved det sq ikke Mar 24 14:34:42 haha. http://www.myappbox.com/a/de.tamspalm.amigo2/ Mar 24 14:34:47 sugardave, oil Mar 24 14:35:32 now I kinda feel like a jerk for even sending him a message. Mar 24 14:35:33 sigh Mar 24 14:50:03 lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwzBuN7jfjw Mar 24 14:50:23 WTF!? Mar 24 14:50:55 its like a freak? Mar 24 14:52:54 lol Mar 24 15:40:37 Tibfib: why? At least he put a disclaimer in :) Mar 24 15:56:00 sugardave: It was, interesting. :) Mar 24 15:56:05 but now for day two! Mar 24 16:02:56 sugardave: hah. just wasn't worth a message Mar 24 16:03:47 so I think I'm going to download the wp7 sdk Mar 24 16:05:52 bah. just not in a mood to develop. bbl Mar 24 16:21:08 Did something change between 1.4.5 and 2.1 in how they calculate file sizes? o_o Mar 24 16:22:17 it's chuqui .. hide the puppies .. quickly Mar 24 16:22:25 hey chuqui Mar 24 16:22:33 hey howdee Mar 24 16:22:53 how was vacation time? Mar 24 16:23:09 nice. but glad I'm back Mar 24 16:23:18 we're glad too :) Mar 24 16:23:38 well gosh, welcome back :3 Mar 24 16:25:33 bbl Mar 24 16:25:53 chuqui: Howdy! Mar 24 16:25:59 fufffffff, the worst thing :C Mar 24 16:26:20 Tools that have been freeware for the last few years suddenly going pay Mar 24 16:26:21 roy-pre101: he, howdy. Mar 24 16:35:08 chuqui, I don't know how much sway you have... But if you can drop some hints here and there about Main profile H264 support, that'd be pretty cool. 83 Mar 24 16:35:25 i have no influence whatsoever. Mar 24 16:35:52 but if you send me an email with details on this and why it's important, I'll go get laughed at again.... Mar 24 16:36:08 hmmm Mar 24 16:36:24 how about you send me a key to the HQ and I'll go in there and do it myself :I Mar 24 16:36:26 the convincing part Mar 24 16:37:18 I'll take over the DevMarketing Pre2 program too while I'm there :3 Mar 24 16:38:27 good morning Adora, or is it "good evening?" :p Mar 24 16:41:42 chuqui: the gist is that a lot of cameras these days shoot H264 video with the main profile, while webOS right now only does baseline profile... I don't know if that's something that's 'important' to a lot of users though! Mar 24 16:42:51 is the forums really the only place to post/submit bug reports? Mar 24 16:42:56 but go ahead and write something up -- doesn't need to be long -- and get it to me, so I don't botch passing along the issue. Mar 24 16:42:59 SineOt: yup. Mar 24 16:43:27 chuqui: mind if I toss a few things in the email at once, even if they aren't related? Mar 24 16:43:38 the shadows on flash content in 2.1... @_@ Mar 24 16:44:06 SineOt: it's actually a LOT easier to handle each in a separate email... that way, I don't lose track of what I've done to which. Mar 24 16:44:24 Okay. So pdc@palm.com, or..? Mar 24 16:55:00 SineOt: dev@null.com Mar 24 16:55:04 :P Mar 24 16:56:23 * SineOt puts sugardave in a box... Mar 24 17:02:33 chuqui: sent two emails :x Mar 24 17:02:42 moi Mar 24 17:14:01 man, the webOS community is pretty awesome C: Mar 24 17:14:45 the remaining members :) Mar 24 17:15:23 upload a binary file with Ajax.Request? Anyone has a good example? Mar 24 17:15:42 hah, yeah, fair enough :p Mar 24 17:15:53 but I'm getting a MBP through connections I built within it Mar 24 17:15:56 so I'm stoked! :P Mar 24 17:16:24 no more dicking with kext hell ;_; Mar 24 17:16:33 mac book pro? Mar 24 17:16:38 yeah Mar 24 17:16:43 major basic protein? Mar 24 17:16:45 Tibfib! If I made a theme for Koto would you include it Mar 24 17:16:51 Macbook Pro :p Mar 24 17:16:57 SineOt: if it looked good :) Mar 24 17:17:27 so probably :) Mar 24 17:17:33 SineOt: thank you sir Mar 24 17:17:41 dangit. I need a fun feature to work on for koto Mar 24 17:17:58 SineOt: got them. Mar 24 17:18:25 CSS based visualizer? Mar 24 17:18:39 heh. It would be fake Mar 24 17:18:43 just random animations :) Mar 24 17:18:44 chuqui: cool! I hope I covered them well enough to make it clear what I was talking about Mar 24 17:18:47 yup! Mar 24 17:18:59 SineOt: if not,w e'll talk. Mar 24 17:19:00 maybe sometime Mar 24 17:19:06 but hey if you're watching a visualizer you're probably high and wouldn't care as long as it looks AWESOME Mar 24 17:19:11 lol Mar 24 17:19:13 * Tibfib googles Mar 24 17:19:38 chuqui: you're fun to talk to, so I'm looking forward to that possibility! :3 Mar 24 17:19:49 SineOt: thanks!~ Mar 24 17:26:22 chuqui: so, I've heard interest recently from Nokia N900 users wanting to buy webos games (there's software that uses some library interception techniques to let them actually run successfully on N900). I'd think that developers / sellers of applications would want anyone able to buy apps who wants to. Somehow I'm guessing this is too niche for HP/palm to care much about, but it's... Mar 24 17:26:24 ...interesting.. Mar 24 17:28:07 destinal: it's not something I've really looked at. but it seems really "jailbreak"-y. not smoething we're going to put any cycles into, I'd say. Mar 24 17:28:45 aww. dkirker isn't here. http://www.precentral.net/universe-browser-provide-alternate-web-browser-option-hp-decides-hire-its-developer Mar 24 17:29:07 I think the easiest solution to that..? Just do side sales of N900 IPKs to devs and collect payment over Paypal :p Mar 24 17:29:25 unsolicited recommendation -- webOS devs, if you aren't reading Carpeaqua, you should: http://carpeaqua.com/2011/03/23/why-i-dont-do-sales-on-the-app-store/ Mar 24 17:29:46 yeah, I read that yesterday. It's a really good article Mar 24 17:29:51 never heard of it Mar 24 17:29:54 bookmarked :) Mar 24 17:31:09 he's really clueful, and while he's doing IOS stuff, his advice is universal to devs on all platforms. Mar 24 17:31:16 SineOt: really I think some kind of homebrew way for legally purchasing apps from a PC could be developed, but everything right now requires device ID info, so one would have to buy a used pre or pixi.. Mar 24 17:31:35 I also think all mobile devs ought to be reading Marco: http://www.marco.org/ Mar 24 17:31:37 chuqui: yeah, saw that link, had never seen the blog before. good stuff. Mar 24 17:31:48 destinal: the easiest way would be to just do it outside of the Palm marketplace at all, though Mar 24 17:32:08 I really like his point to not read reviews, haha Mar 24 17:32:23 seriously Mar 24 17:32:29 I've seen a lot of people here reading reviews and then ending up thinking all users are cavemen Mar 24 17:32:40 which is a totally counterproductive stance to take about your own user base Mar 24 17:32:58 it's really hard to get good, useful conversations started in comment areas. Mar 24 17:33:07 SineOt: well, the developers of the big name 3d games the people want won't do it. too small a market. and this is where app store / app catalog can be something of a problem when it's device restricted. unlike, say, amazon's app store which you can run on any android device anywhere Mar 24 17:33:35 chuqui: doubly so when you can't reply to comments as a dev :p Mar 24 17:33:44 there's been some interesting research on this. and mostly, star ratings turn into an upside down horseshoe; people who really love or hate an app or have an axe to grind, almost nothing in the middle. Mar 24 17:33:45 well.. it does help when the review system allows responses Mar 24 17:33:48 It'd be a lot easier if you could comment back and urge people to contact you Mar 24 17:33:52 and such. it's not entirely the reviewers fault Mar 24 17:33:54 heh Mar 24 17:34:10 SineOt: yeah. I swear, I am going to get this stuff fixed if it kills me. and it might. Mar 24 17:34:17 that's why I only really read 2-4 star reviews pretty much anywhere, be it Yelp or app stores or anything really Mar 24 17:34:34 Tibfib: the problem is selection bias. usually the people motivated to post a review of an app seem to be more frequent Mar 24 17:34:36 1 star tend to be idiotic axe grinding and 5 tends to be holy boner fluff Mar 24 17:34:37 let's just say I have recently been -- expressing my opinion -- on this subject again. Mar 24 17:34:40 more frequently upset Mar 24 17:34:43 and either end are useless Mar 24 17:34:48 and Iv'e been banned from a couple of meetings again. Mar 24 17:35:03 chuqui: I think you need a webOS swat team of your own Mar 24 17:35:22 heh. yeah. Maybe I'll get one. Mar 24 17:35:37 chuqui: thanks chuq :) Mar 24 17:35:50 chuqui: meta-moderation of some kind would make a huge difference, too. reputation that gives your review more weight or something? I could be wrong Mar 24 17:36:07 there's lots of stuff that needs to get fixed if you guys want to get more and keep your current developers Mar 24 17:36:11 destinal: just a way to flag a review as off topic then hah Mar 24 17:36:29 maybe a word filter for "doesn't download" that automatically tosses the review out Mar 24 17:36:29 a crowd controlled "Is this review useful" button would be nice Mar 24 17:36:58 s/button/insertcorrectword/ Mar 24 17:37:15 Tibfib: yup. Mar 24 17:37:30 Tibfib: and as we can put resources against stuff, we are. Mar 24 17:38:04 derp Mar 24 17:38:09 thanks chuq, you've renewed my hope/desire to develop for webOS Mar 24 17:38:45 chuqui: I've been impressed with Richard Kerris and his reponses to the issues the community has raised Mar 24 17:39:03 destinal: so am I. Glad I'm working for him. Mar 24 17:39:16 destinal: and you're only seeing the tip of the iceberg. so far. Mar 24 17:39:39 yeah he seems sharp Mar 24 17:39:54 heh, chuqui, I knew Justin Williams when he was in college Mar 24 17:39:58 chuqui: he really seems to get it and be willing to kick ass to change things for the better, so yeah, I'm hopeful Mar 24 17:40:24 funkatron: you're a purdue grad, right? Mar 24 17:41:15 chuqui: no, but I worked there for 9 years Mar 24 17:41:25 I suddenly feel so under qualified! XD Mar 24 17:41:26 worked for Spaf's research center Mar 24 17:41:36 funkatron: ah. yeah, you worked for spaf. spaf and I go way back. Mar 24 17:41:41 indeed 8) Mar 24 17:41:45 oh man :x Mar 24 17:41:46 the webos 2.1 SDK response.. stuff like, totally agree, will be done within a week, and then it was. with people laughing about "coming months" every time something is promised these days, a set time frame in the days range and delivered on makes a huge impact Mar 24 17:41:53 the CTO of sly dial wants to talk to me on the phone! D: Mar 24 17:41:55 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Mar 24 17:42:12 so not prepared for this Mar 24 17:42:37 has anyone talked to CTOs and generally any upper management of a company before? D: Mar 24 17:42:50 how big of a company? Mar 24 17:42:59 I worked closely with the CEO of a company with 2 people in it Mar 24 17:43:14 SineOt: I know a CTO oOOOHOHOHOHOH Mar 24 17:43:15 lol Mar 24 17:43:29 My dad is a CTO Mar 24 17:43:36 he doesn't really count because he doesn't wear a suit Mar 24 17:43:46 SineOt: I have worked with several of various size companies (from 1 to 20,000) , just don't let it overwhelm you, it's not about titles. Mar 24 17:43:48 kesne: way to make me feel old, brah Mar 24 17:43:56 http://www2.mobile-sphere.com/ < like this big, however big that is Mar 24 17:44:07 funkatron: I'm just a child Mar 24 17:44:52 SineOt: cool your jets turbo Mar 24 17:45:06 So how's the "Palm needs to buy Spaz" campaign going? Mar 24 17:45:17 hey, all. I gotta go focus on some stuff. writing a super secret spec for some new functionality for the portal. Back later... Mar 24 17:45:37 cya Mar 24 17:45:52 Tibfib: I've never talked to anyone important in a company before :p Mar 24 17:45:57 and landing this would be pretty awesome Mar 24 17:46:49 SineOt: http://listen.grooveshark.com/s/Be+Calm/2gScDf?src=5 Mar 24 17:47:11 although, only the title applies :) Mar 24 17:47:27 haha Mar 24 17:47:40 why, is it a playlist full of grindcore dubstep? Mar 24 17:47:58 hmm? Mar 24 17:48:41 the playlist :p Mar 24 17:48:45 you said only the title applies Mar 24 17:49:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qMXBUjm8tM Mar 24 17:49:20 trying to point out a song.. Mar 24 17:51:25 sure would like 2.1 on my pre2 Mar 24 17:51:44 I really would be happy if I could actually use hands free calling features since im in the car half the week Mar 24 17:51:48 *sigh* Mar 24 17:52:23 kamui_: who hasn't released 2.1 yet? verizon? Mar 24 17:52:58 ye Mar 24 17:52:58 a' Mar 24 17:53:29 is there a way to get the update using webos doctor thats legal? Mar 24 17:54:57 kamui_, have you looked at meta-doc? Mar 24 17:56:52 no, I don't know anything about meta-doc Mar 24 17:58:19 I don't even know if you could build a working 2.1 metadoc for Verizon easily Mar 24 18:00:38 SineOt, why not? disable the carrier check, and toss in the verizon bits from 2.0.1 Mar 24 18:00:50 "easily" :p Mar 24 18:01:04 I'm not saying it's not doable, but for someone who never touched metadoc it'd be hella confusing! Mar 24 18:01:13 it wouldn't be harder than getting the O2 2.1 to run on a vzw Pre+ Mar 24 18:01:27 there's a script for that Mar 24 18:01:28 (thanks rwhitby) :) Mar 24 18:01:31 you run it and it's done :p Mar 24 18:01:41 I don't think there's a script for 2.1 on a Vzw Pre2 Mar 24 18:02:15 no, but I doubt it would be difficult for the script people to put together if there was sufficient demand/reason to do it Mar 24 18:02:53 I"m not even sure if it'd need a script... it might only need to disable the carrier check Mar 24 18:03:16 kamui_, ask in #webos-internals :) Mar 24 18:03:33 oakly doakly Mar 24 18:03:36 I think it'd work if you just drop the carrier check, but you won't get any of the CDMA stuff like PRL update ability, etc Mar 24 18:03:44 and you'd have that ugly annoying SIM management app! Mar 24 18:08:22 Tibfib: ping Mar 24 18:08:33 pong Mar 24 18:08:43 * Tibfib hit winner Mar 24 18:09:01 lol Mar 24 18:09:02 pm? Mar 24 18:09:05 sure Mar 24 18:14:36 wow. db8 is failing me Mar 24 18:14:36 hard Mar 24 18:16:17 sigh.. now I cringe everytime I use mojo Mar 24 18:16:23 http://pastebin.com/7CAkeHvZ Mar 24 18:16:27 what the crap. Mar 24 18:17:00 I have a user that koto reports as having 10000+ songs Mar 24 18:17:07 that's not even the full log Mar 24 18:17:38 the callbacks are erratic Mar 24 18:17:48 erratic? Mar 24 18:17:57 out of order Mar 24 18:18:12 random Mar 24 18:18:16 multiple times Mar 24 18:18:51 they ARE callbacks... Mar 24 18:18:58 they do not happen in any order Mar 24 18:20:08 http://pastebin.com/BDb0cCeY Mar 24 18:20:17 looking at my code. they should be in order Mar 24 18:21:01 the thing is. it works on my device with ~1550 songs Mar 24 18:21:07 callbacks, by their very nature, do not happen in order Mar 24 18:21:31 halfhalo: did you look at my code? Mar 24 18:21:44 I am right now Mar 24 18:22:55 ok, so you are calling the function from inside the function? Mar 24 18:23:06 yes Mar 24 18:24:14 and what exactly is happening vs supposed to? Mar 24 18:24:52 check out the logs Mar 24 18:24:57 the songs don't come in order Mar 24 18:25:00 I get duplicates Mar 24 18:25:55 the user ends up with 5x the actual amount of songs Mar 24 18:26:02 here is what I think is happening Mar 24 18:27:09 you are calling the function from within the callback, but if that function calls itself before the first completely finishes, then its running with the same data as the second run is as well Mar 24 18:27:13 or something similay Mar 24 18:27:16 similar Mar 24 18:28:02 hmmm Mar 24 18:28:20 so would cloning the "query" object help? Mar 24 18:29:22 or is there another solution you are thinking of? Mar 24 18:29:32 no, I would structure it so getallsongs fires a callback when its done, and use that to call it again Mar 24 18:29:50 my app count is not increasing from last 4 days, any ideas, Mar 24 18:29:58 *app download count Mar 24 18:30:04 halfhalo: the outside function or inside function? Mar 24 18:30:38 getAllSongs, all of them Mar 24 18:30:38 nvm, gotcha Mar 24 18:30:41 lemme see Mar 24 18:32:09 vaibhav: it#s known Mar 24 18:33:28 Metaview is it an acknowledged issue with catalog or just the form which is show to us, I mean is there no sale or sale are not getting credited to dev account Mar 24 18:33:55 any of you guys use metrix? Mar 24 18:35:42 vaibhav: I guess it's an issue of what we see Mar 24 18:35:52 at least it was in former time Mar 24 18:35:56 metaview, that's better Mar 24 18:36:40 halfhalo: hmm the "query" var may be making some problems Mar 24 18:37:03 since it's the same name as the passed var Mar 24 18:45:47 welcome WebOS Mar 24 18:46:03 original nick i must say! Mar 24 18:46:57 you scared them away Mar 24 18:48:17 heh Mar 24 18:54:48 anyone know if there's a way to style the elements in a popupSubmenu ? Mar 24 18:56:40 maik: CSS? :P Mar 24 18:56:46 narf Mar 24 18:56:49 lol Mar 24 18:56:52 i just discovered the popupClass argument Mar 24 18:59:54 ITS HERE! Mar 24 18:59:57 and it's activated Mar 24 19:00:02 and it's booting up for the first time Mar 24 19:00:46 pre2? Mar 24 19:02:11 whoa.. for the first time in ever, a search for "error" in my app log returns no match :) Mar 24 19:03:25 oh no, then dohtem died Mar 24 19:03:27 :( Mar 24 19:03:40 no errors was too much for him to handle, poor guy Mar 24 19:04:16 vaibhav: did you have any luck with oauth? I meant to ask last night but I forgot Mar 24 19:04:28 no not working, right now Mar 24 19:04:52 although did not tried much, today was the world cup match , so got no time Mar 24 19:04:58 ah :) Mar 24 19:05:31 well damn, popupClass seems to only be for positioning, not for styling the text Mar 24 19:06:10 maik: the fun part is trying to use emulator host mode to find the popup, because (iirc) when you pull up the dev console, the popup disappears :) Mar 24 19:06:21 lol Mar 24 19:07:58 does inspector not working with v2 still? Mar 24 19:08:44 I think it's been abandoned Mar 24 19:08:47 :( Mar 24 19:08:59 :( Mar 24 19:09:06 but I never got it to work in ubuntu anyway, so I'm not sure Mar 24 19:10:31 oh right, where's that web debugger? i think i used it on the last app i worked on Mar 24 19:11:35 maik: that's running emulator host mode...make a tunnel to 8080 on localhost and point your browser to localhost:[tunnel]/Apps Mar 24 19:11:54 also, you have to launch the app with -i Mar 24 19:12:08 http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Mar 24 19:15:06 al Mar 24 19:15:08 oh, i guess i can't see DOM in the ares debugger Mar 24 19:15:13 hmmm Mar 24 19:15:15 unfortunately not Mar 24 19:15:21 I think you're supposed to be able to Mar 24 19:15:26 I don't think so Mar 24 19:15:27 Anivrom swore up and down that you could Mar 24 19:15:28 it's got a tab for it Mar 24 19:16:04 sugardave: well with ares yeah Mar 24 19:16:09 but this is just the debugger Mar 24 19:17:10 so dunno Mar 24 19:25:26 oh, I see Mar 24 19:25:43 can you tell I haven't used Ares much? :) Mar 24 19:27:22 what do you mean make a tunnel to localhost 8080 ? Mar 24 19:27:24 heh me neither Mar 24 19:27:29 I've just used the debugger A LOT Mar 24 19:27:33 i can get to 8080 already, though i don't really know what's using it Mar 24 19:27:45 lsof is being altogether unhelpful Mar 24 19:27:53 I can't emphasize enough how much I love testing directly in the browser Mar 24 19:28:56 :/ Mar 24 19:29:12 maik: I'm just regurgitating the info on setting up emulator host mode, I make an ssh tunnel 5581:localhost:8080, then point to localhost:5581/Apps Mar 24 19:29:38 oh Mar 24 19:29:39 5581 Mar 24 19:29:48 arbitrary Mar 24 19:29:53 can be anything that's not used Mar 24 19:29:56 er right Mar 24 19:30:00 why tunnel at all? Mar 24 19:30:08 good question Mar 24 19:30:10 :) Mar 24 19:30:20 you can probably do it without Mar 24 19:30:43 Tibfib: testing in the browser totally kicks ass Mar 24 19:30:51 oh yeah Mar 24 19:30:55 enyo? Mar 24 19:31:03 maybe Mar 24 19:31:06 heh Mar 24 19:31:14 well...how are you testing in the browser smart guy!? Mar 24 19:31:24 host emulator mode :P Mar 24 19:31:30 emulator host mode Mar 24 19:31:31 whatever Mar 24 19:31:41 I testing enyo browser Mar 24 19:31:50 s/enyo/in my/ Mar 24 19:31:55 ...lol Mar 24 19:31:58 hahaha Mar 24 19:32:00 in yo' browser Mar 24 19:32:02 I love* Mar 24 19:34:28 oooooh emulator host mode! Mar 24 19:35:48 yes, it is helpful Mar 24 19:42:16 hmm, so are there any quirks to using this thing? is it possible to quit a running app? Mar 24 19:42:38 it keeps saying "YYY found previous sessionID ..." Mar 24 19:47:43 clear the browser cookies Mar 24 19:47:54 maik: ^^^ Mar 24 19:48:32 halfhalo: no matter what I try, the user still has the issue Mar 24 19:48:47 maik: and yes, there are quirks....some things (like multi-stage) might not work, Ajax requests sometimes don't work, other things don't work sometimes :) Mar 24 19:49:07 lol Mar 24 19:49:25 it's like a box of chocolates Mar 24 19:49:39 you never know what you're gonna get Mar 24 19:50:31 heh, excellent Mar 24 19:51:25 question, gentlemen: Mar 24 19:51:33 just got pixi+, ready to overclock Mar 24 19:51:54 i've got preware on there already, do i just have to install uberkernel and govnah, restart phone, and go for it? Mar 24 19:52:42 I think so. Mar 24 19:53:15 if something goes wrong i can always flash back to stock, right? :) Mar 24 19:55:16 well cool, so far nothing i'm doing is working Mar 24 19:55:31 too late, already installed uberkernel Mar 24 19:55:33 maik: par for the course! Mar 24 19:55:43 spiffyfitz_: better to ask in #webos-internals Mar 24 19:56:48 intelligent installer, automatically makes a backup of the original kernel :) Mar 24 20:00:34 how to fix a button on the bottom of the scene? Mar 24 20:00:55 style="position:absolute; bottom:30px;" doesn't work Mar 24 20:01:17 position: fixed; bottom: 30px; ? Mar 24 20:02:12 ah, thx Mar 24 20:09:29 rehi Mar 24 20:09:35 iher Mar 24 20:09:49 hey Mar 24 20:10:37 hire? Mar 24 20:11:29 heir Mar 24 20:21:50 Tibfib: about.me/sugardave Mar 24 20:23:27 got it! Mar 24 20:23:35 .palm-popup-content .palm-row .title Mar 24 20:23:49 maik: WOO! Mar 24 20:23:49 * maik manrage Mar 24 20:23:53 update webos101 ;) Mar 24 20:24:41 lol Mar 24 20:25:01 any specific section? Mar 24 20:29:22 maik: code snippets, maybe? there's a section for style I think Mar 24 20:33:40 agh, i need to go get lunch Mar 24 20:33:40 bbiaf Mar 24 20:43:03 whoops, gotta doctor the new phone lol Mar 24 20:49:47 * PatrickC_Pre waves hi Mar 24 20:52:13 *waves back* Mar 24 20:52:59 how's it goin? Mar 24 21:11:00 what's the equivalent of fileindexer in 2.x? Mar 24 21:11:08 not sure Mar 24 21:15:18 oil: ping Mar 24 21:16:00 I have an update for my wIRC bug Mar 24 21:16:15 I ran lumberjack during launch when problem happened Mar 24 21:19:35 the "minimum os required" version you can select when uploading apps is now 2.0? Mar 24 21:20:15 I believe so Mar 24 21:20:24 now that 2.x sdk is public Mar 24 21:20:49 so the Pre and Pre Plus wont see the app in the catalog? Mar 24 21:20:58 unless they're are on 2.0 too Mar 24 21:21:18 I see 2.x minimum apps in my app cat Mar 24 21:21:25 and I'm on a pre- Mar 24 21:22:00 can I use the --use-v1-format and still be able to upload for 1.4.x and up? Mar 24 21:22:14 I would hope so Mar 24 21:22:28 I never used that format... Mar 24 21:22:33 never heard of it :p Mar 24 21:22:40 sigh, this is unnecessarily painful. Mar 24 21:23:20 dohtem: yes Mar 24 21:23:32 --use-v1-format to allow 1.4.x Mar 24 21:24:02 there were some threads about why Just Type apps are limited to 2.x when they shouldn't be, that is the fix Mar 24 21:24:17 thanks, I'll try that Mar 24 21:25:33 sweet, it lets me choose minimum OS versions depending on how it was packages Mar 24 21:25:37 packaged* Mar 24 21:26:09 cool Mar 24 21:26:29 sugardave: I'll try to update github sometime tonight Mar 24 21:26:36 not sure if I'll get to it though Mar 24 21:26:38 Palm should do like Rim Mar 24 21:26:40 I'll try Mar 24 21:26:47 how does Rim do? Mar 24 21:27:09 They just announced the Playbook Mar 24 21:27:36 they announced that a long time ago Mar 24 21:27:38 and... Mar 24 21:27:50 I almost got one for development back in feb Mar 24 21:28:07 some of my friends *did* get them for dev back in feb Mar 24 21:28:19 That it can run Android apps Mar 24 21:28:35 PatrickC_Pre: I will only believe it if I see it Mar 24 21:28:48 lol Mar 24 21:28:57 well, hopefully you will *see* it tonight Mar 24 21:29:02 or tomorrow Mar 24 21:29:04 not holding my breath Mar 24 21:29:16 * PatrickC_Pre hopes its tonight Mar 24 21:31:50 wait... the playbook can run android apps? Mar 24 21:31:53 wth Mar 24 21:34:28 welcome to being the next OS/2 Mar 24 21:35:11 OS/2? Mar 24 21:35:40 PatrickC_Pre: now I feel old Mar 24 21:35:48 hehe Mar 24 21:35:53 I'm 15 :) Mar 24 21:36:35 I always have to remind myself of that Mar 24 21:36:59 what? that I'm 15? lol Mar 24 21:37:13 hey Mar 24 21:37:13 when I was 15 I had a 386 on a 2400bps dialup connection Mar 24 21:37:30 who wan't to be notified of any new reviews by mail? Mar 24 21:37:31 and it was far from state of the art Mar 24 21:37:37 when i was 15 i had to walk to school barefoot in the snow uphill BOTH WAYS Mar 24 21:37:38 hay thomaschaaf Mar 24 21:37:39 ACTION  Mar 24 21:37:41 heh, I need an app first Mar 24 21:37:44 I am acceptng first signups at http://193.175.26.67/review2mail/index.php Mar 24 21:37:59 please don't share outside of irc Mar 24 21:38:46 na the the funny part is that noone in my school had cell phones, and one of my friends had a pager...we made fun of him for it, and called it his leash...how things change ;) Mar 24 21:38:49 dawm: send you a message @ github. currently i have no idea how to improve the project further Mar 24 21:38:50 I did the "signup" and "signoff" process.. now tomorrow I will make it send out mails when it sees changes Mar 24 21:38:55 hi. Mar 24 21:39:25 thomaschaaf: not bad Mar 24 21:39:29 thomaschaaf: signed up Mar 24 21:39:30 chuqui: got my note? you did not answer. Mar 24 21:39:44 thomaschaaf: looks interesting and useful Mar 24 21:39:56 how much can I add? Mar 24 21:40:12 well I did the signon and of part while watching tv the last 2 hours so don't be amazed if it is ugly or does weird things Mar 24 21:40:28 lol Mar 24 21:40:39 haha Mar 24 21:40:58 * PatrickC_Pre gets this *really* strange email from thomaschaaf Mar 24 21:42:53 lulz Mar 24 21:43:25 PatrickC_Pre: you got an email?! that is not even finished yet Mar 24 21:43:46 MetaView: as many as you like.. it will stay free but there will be a little note about suplify in each mail.. Mar 24 21:43:47 hehe nope lol Mar 24 21:45:50 brb Mar 24 21:46:36 hm 3 signups :/ Mar 24 21:46:47 thought that would have been accepted better Mar 24 21:47:20 make it more popular :) Mar 24 21:47:21 wait, I'll go and add all my apps Mar 24 21:47:27 post link on webos-internals.. Mar 24 21:47:34 I could add all my apps to Mar 24 21:47:35 :) Mar 24 21:47:39 all 6 lol Mar 24 21:47:46 do that I need some testing data Mar 24 21:48:07 I will buy a domain first Mar 24 21:48:18 review2mail.com how do you like it? Mar 24 21:48:27 please no one buy it :/ Mar 24 21:48:44 * PatrickC_Pre buys it Mar 24 21:49:04 hehe jk Mar 24 21:51:17 thomaschaaf: i like it. fucking love the idea too Mar 24 21:51:25 especially since i dont have a pre anymore, and i want my reviews! Mar 24 21:52:34 still only 3 maybe the signup page is broken :/ Mar 24 21:52:39 Loudergood: OS/2 Warp ftmfw! Mar 24 21:52:55 thomaschaaf: how do you extract the reviews? Mar 24 21:53:27 MetaView: did A LOT of package sniffing Mar 24 21:53:46 imitate the appcatalog? Mar 24 21:53:52 yep Mar 24 21:54:05 cool Mar 24 21:54:29 thinking about the same for android and itunes... Mar 24 21:54:38 hope no one copies it Mar 24 21:54:50 thought of it with lots of love :) Mar 24 21:55:12 package sniffing sounds so incredibly dirty Mar 24 21:55:27 that's what I am :P Mar 24 21:55:28 thomaschaaf: you know this channel is logged, right? no way to keep that link inside IRC Mar 24 21:55:46 sugardave: well it will just probably get changed to another server Mar 24 21:56:23 so I don't want it on precentral because I will buy a domain and then put it on out live server stack and away from our development stack Mar 24 21:56:51 review2mail.com or reviewtomail.com? Mar 24 21:57:01 to Mar 24 21:57:39 oh, even with appid checking Mar 24 21:58:05 MetaView: hehe :D Mar 24 21:58:07 yep Mar 24 22:12:14 in javascript true = 1 and false = 0, right? Mar 24 22:16:33 http://reviewtomail.com/ look what I just got set up! Mar 24 22:16:51 you may now share the link.. but don't expect mails until tomorrow or so Mar 24 22:16:55 woooooooooooo Mar 24 22:16:59 that was quick Mar 24 22:17:34 maik: other way around, 1 evaluates true, 0 evaluates false Mar 24 22:18:21 ok, so i shouldn't expect that if i pass a boolean value to an ajax.request it will come out as the numeric equivalent Mar 24 22:18:21 dohtem: the way life is supposed to be Mar 24 22:18:32 :) Mar 24 22:19:37 dohtem: did you sign up already? Mar 24 22:19:51 yup Mar 24 22:20:13 maik: I do not THINK so, but maybe they do some magic Mar 24 22:20:17 dohtem: what app? Mar 24 22:20:30 sugardave: i'll play it safe, thanks Mar 24 22:20:36 np Mar 24 22:20:46 thomaschaaf: Hacker New Reader Mar 24 22:21:18 dohtem: use your app every day Mar 24 22:21:38 can you please make it so that if I click I can already see the link and it loads comments later? Mar 24 22:22:03 and does not put the stupid scrim above everything? Mar 24 22:22:08 ah Mar 24 22:22:18 I keep getting that :( Mar 24 22:22:34 should be easy to do Mar 24 22:22:47 don't know how you setup you app though Mar 24 22:22:51 I can display a small spinner on the lower half of the screen so the link and stuff is not obscured Mar 24 22:23:08 the spinner is there while comments load Mar 24 22:23:11 in the comments part just put a spinner Mar 24 22:23:15 yep Mar 24 22:23:48 * dohtem updates todo list Mar 24 22:24:54 don't tell everyone about reviewtomail just yet.. I want to at least get the first people messages before palm tells me to go fuck myself Mar 24 22:25:12 if they do I'll publish code :) Mar 24 22:25:30 Open source. The best revenge. Mar 24 22:25:39 :) Mar 24 22:25:52 thomaschaaf: did you realise that you put everything needed for someone to screw your palm profile into a public paste the other day? Mar 24 22:25:59 they can't change their api.. it would require an update.. Mar 24 22:26:26 rwhitby: after I published yep :/ Mar 24 22:27:01 thomaschaaf: what about a possibility to send you a list of app ids? Mar 24 22:27:02 rwhitby: did you sign up? Mar 24 22:27:15 MetaView: how many apps do you have? Mar 24 22:27:41 or even sending you remotly an id and an email? Could be a feature of UberAppCat->Survive App Mar 24 22:27:45 thomaschaaf: just pushed a minor update an hour or so ago. Look out for it :) Mar 24 22:27:45 256? Mar 24 22:27:48 25? Mar 24 22:27:50 30? Mar 24 22:29:09 MetaView: I'll change it so the email address stays there... but you'll have to just paste the ids.. sorry Mar 24 22:29:44 hm, ok Mar 24 22:30:05 öh Mar 24 22:30:07 Veer & Pixi share the same resolution, right? Mar 24 22:30:12 yes Mar 24 22:30:14 g'night g'fight Mar 24 22:30:16 thanks Mar 24 22:30:21 but the Veer will not suffer the SDL bug Mar 24 22:30:29 nite Mar 24 22:30:29 sdl? Mar 24 22:30:33 nite Mar 24 22:30:43 SimpleMediaLayer Mar 24 22:30:54 simple directmedia layer* Mar 24 22:31:02 right :) Mar 24 22:31:10 the PDK stuff, you know Mar 24 22:34:37 i'm having kind of a strange problem where if i scroll through a list, then do something that updates the list's model, it will blank the list until i do a scroll action at which point it refreshes the screen Mar 24 22:42:01 I remeber seeing some workaround in Spaz for this bug Mar 24 22:42:34 i threw a scrim on top of it while it's updating and that seems to have fixed it Mar 24 22:43:20 you might need to trigger a redraw of the list Mar 24 22:46:49 quell or shrek kart? Mar 24 22:47:28 anyone tried either? Mar 24 22:50:42 oh no.. am not home and my laptop just told me 10% left.. Mar 24 22:51:01 10 more minutes guys then it will hit 5% and auto hybernate :( Mar 24 22:54:51 thomaschaaf: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.tigers.app.done/ Mar 24 22:56:21 wow. That downloads number is...off. Mar 24 22:57:27 haeffb: that has nothing to do with me Mar 24 22:57:52 yeah, I know. Just showing that the info has been available for some time and Palm hasn't tried to stop it. Mar 24 22:57:58 via api we can only get total installs.. including updates Mar 24 22:58:08 haeffb: download numbers from the API capture redownloads, not number of purchases. Mar 24 22:58:13 yeah, I know Mar 24 22:58:20 er. I remember now... :) Mar 24 23:09:14 is the webosbook worth reading? Mar 24 23:10:03 okay I'm off Mar 24 23:10:33 continue to sign up at http://reviewtomail.com Mar 24 23:11:58 Good morning boys Mar 24 23:12:24 Can anyone think of an application that has more than a-z and 0-9 and . in the id? Mar 24 23:12:40 about to go out with my new webos phone in the wild Mar 24 23:12:44 wish me luck, #webos Mar 24 23:13:38 mgschu: the i can not Mar 24 23:13:42 id Mar 24 23:13:58 mgschu: http://reviewtomail.com may be for you :) Mar 24 23:14:01 okay off I go Mar 24 23:14:11 thomaschaaf: Brilliant, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Mar 24 23:15:11 mgschu: which part :D Mar 24 23:15:28 that my RegExp will do the job Mar 25 00:00:37 grrr....just because I'm in Colombia doesn't mean I want to be re-reouted to every page's Spanish version Mar 25 00:00:54 sugardave: they do that? Mar 25 00:01:11 why are you in Columbia? Mar 25 00:01:36 must be the coffee Mar 25 00:05:38 cocaiiiiiiiiine Mar 25 00:06:00 destinal: som certainly are Mar 25 00:06:15 dohtem: teaching a class Mar 25 00:06:30 sugardave: do they at least give you the opportunity to force english? Mar 25 00:06:54 like I said on Twitter the other day, there is no Dr. Pepper in Colombia, but lots of Coke Mar 25 00:07:30 destinal: honestly it's only happened 5-6 times since I've been here, and the only I really care about is Google, so I can change that one Mar 25 00:07:43 sugardave: big C or little c coke? Mar 25 00:09:44 both, I imagine...I got lots of the big C kind in my hotel fridge Mar 25 00:11:38 hmm. what's the best way to save a custom order with db8? Mar 25 00:13:03 store a "position" index? Mar 25 00:13:16 that's annoying :/ Mar 25 00:14:03 a custom ordering of a set of documents ? Mar 25 00:14:13 a set of objects Mar 25 00:14:44 so a single document which is a set of objects ? Mar 25 00:15:45 hmm, not sure where you're coming from with documents Mar 25 00:16:15 an array of objects [{blah: blah}, {blah: blaah}] Mar 25 00:16:32 I store each object individually with db8 Mar 25 00:17:36 that's probably the only way to store a sort order Mar 25 00:17:44 darn Mar 25 00:17:46 yeah if you don't have a way you can map->reduce using what is normally there, then you need something else with them Mar 25 00:18:00 I could store a single object Mar 25 00:18:07 with a property with my objects Mar 25 00:18:16 you should be able to store a sorted set of objects Mar 25 00:18:17 but that's probably a bad approach Mar 25 00:18:23 is there still an on-device limit for db8 data? Mar 25 00:18:27 yeah Mar 25 00:18:34 meh Mar 25 00:18:37 20mb Mar 25 00:18:53 do all my music apps store stuff in db8? Mar 25 00:19:26 yeah Mar 25 00:19:42 20mb is alot of json. Mar 25 00:26:40 crap. Mar 25 00:26:52 yeah, but... Mar 25 00:27:00 notes. Mar 25 00:27:02 tasks. Mar 25 00:27:05 music info Mar 25 00:27:11 emails Mar 25 00:27:20 I'm not too worried Mar 25 00:27:27 hmmm. Mar 25 00:29:13 So. I need to order these stupid objects alphabetically Mar 25 00:29:23 lulz Mar 25 00:29:27 seriously. Mar 25 00:29:40 isnt there something like sort Mar 25 00:29:52 like ? Mar 25 00:29:56 array.sort Mar 25 00:29:59 hah Mar 25 00:30:08 it's a custom sort Mar 25 00:30:19 array.sort(myCustomFunction) Mar 25 00:30:31 I could do that Mar 25 00:30:38 instead of using db8's orderBy Mar 25 00:30:40 that's easier Mar 25 00:31:06 am I the only who has used db8 here? Mar 25 00:31:14 not i Mar 25 00:31:56 also, a prototype function .sortBy Mar 25 00:32:16 .sortBy(function(item){ return item.position}) Mar 25 00:32:29 67-1705-1-nd Mar 25 00:32:31 er Mar 25 00:49:35 http://m.precentral.net/pixi-survives-45-minutes-450-degrees-makes-sissy-name Mar 25 00:49:39 ^^ lol Mar 25 00:52:30 wb haeffb Mar 25 00:52:40 how old are you now Mar 25 00:52:46 same as yesterday Mar 25 00:52:46 * PatrickC_Pre ducks Mar 25 00:52:53 lol Mar 25 00:52:55 plus one day Mar 25 00:53:08 65? hehe Mar 25 00:53:33 * PatrickC_Pre ducks even farther Mar 25 00:54:13 35 right? Mar 25 00:54:17 serously.. Mar 25 00:55:16 PatrickC_Pre: when someone doesn't answer despite knowing you asked the question and what the question meant, then they probably don't choose to answer and continuing to ask is rude. just so you know. Mar 25 00:55:56 I was trying to imply I was joking... after I said "65" Mar 25 00:56:35 PatrickC_Pre: I refer mostly to the 35 right, seriously Mar 25 00:57:03 which is where I was trying to imply the fact that I was joking before Mar 25 00:58:18 PatrickC_Pre: ah. interesting, seemed to me like you were still digging for a response Mar 25 00:58:39 nevermind then Mar 25 00:58:58 I figured he wasn't gonna answer.. so I was trying to say "I was joking" Mar 25 00:59:25 45. Mar 25 00:59:30 not offended, just afk Mar 25 00:59:44 lol ok Mar 25 00:59:55 * PatrickC_Pre wipes sweat from his brow Mar 25 00:59:57 :) Mar 25 01:00:24 how old are you now Mar 25 01:00:31 12 Mar 25 01:00:33 7? Mar 25 01:00:37 5? Mar 25 01:00:38 :) Mar 25 01:01:04 PatrickC_Pre: hacking on any projects / apps for webos these days? Mar 25 01:01:17 destinal: yes actually Mar 25 01:01:22 * haeffb needs to get this second frankenPre2 working Mar 25 01:01:45 * destinal wishes they'd hurry up and release enyo for all devices Mar 25 01:02:05 learning mojo seems like a waste of time at this point Mar 25 01:02:06 * haeffb hasn't really used [redacted] much Mar 25 01:02:20 * haeffb already learned (much of) mojo Mar 25 01:02:33 but not mojovated to do much with it Mar 25 01:02:40 hehe Mar 25 01:02:56 destinal: I'm working on an app to replace Sprint Nav Mar 25 01:03:16 PatrickC_Pre: wow, really? Mar 25 01:03:31 PatrickC_Pre: srsly? Mar 25 01:03:31 yep Mar 25 01:03:45 wowzer Mar 25 01:03:46 using cloudmade's APIs Mar 25 01:03:56 is it working? Mar 25 01:04:03 not yet Mar 25 01:04:08 lol Mar 25 01:04:12 they don't officially support webos Mar 25 01:04:25 so I'm using their HTML coding to *try* and do it Mar 25 01:04:40 PatrickC_Pre: good luck, sounds cool Mar 25 01:04:45 haeffb: inspired to do a lot of stuff for touchpad, touchpad will be a serious game changer I think Mar 25 01:05:06 wish it wasn't so far away from release still Mar 25 01:05:42 I have a sneaking suspicion the veer may be out next week, to developers perhaps Mar 25 01:05:53 why do you think that? Mar 25 01:06:01 It was on Sky this week, and Adora promised presents in London Mar 25 01:06:19 s/suspicion/hope/ Mar 25 01:06:43 I already emailed them (CloudMade) about supporting webOS Mar 25 01:08:05 hopefully they'll email back saying "yes, we will" Mar 25 01:08:06 lol Mar 25 01:08:17 mgschu_: yeah that'd be cool Mar 25 01:08:23 HP need their own nav Mar 25 01:08:28 yea they do Mar 25 01:08:38 destinal: yeah, it's a strange place to be in webOS world at the moment. Mar 25 01:08:54 they can't carrier restrict such essential apps if they want this platform to work Mar 25 01:08:54 * haeffb working on some final fixes/enhancements to mojo apps, but won't start anything new in mojo Mar 25 01:09:28 they can't carrier restrict at all, or geo restrict Mar 25 01:10:18 DummyMaker is coming along, looks ready for an initial release. Can download any free app if you know the id Mar 25 01:10:24 the jimmer is nutz Mar 25 01:10:54 * haeffb watching BYU/Florida in NCAA tourney Mar 25 01:11:15 me too! Mar 25 01:11:22 amazing three Mar 25 01:11:22 mgschu_: dummymaker? Mar 25 01:11:30 ah Mar 25 01:11:38 didn't recognize what you were calling it Mar 25 01:11:43 couldn't think of a better name Mar 25 01:12:03 I got the command injection issure sorted Mar 25 01:12:34 cool Mar 25 01:12:38 Had some UI issues, couldn't get the spinner or scrim to show. Apparently because it was working too fast Mar 25 01:13:17 What I really want now is to integrate the update process without having swmanager called and making the user tap through the maze of buttons Mar 25 01:21:51 so the general consenus is. For a newbie, Enyo, forget Mojo. Mar 25 01:21:53 yes? Mar 25 01:23:05 erm Mar 25 01:23:15 Try to get your hands on enyo Mar 25 01:23:43 honestly. there's no good answer Mar 25 01:23:51 i had asked the question before cos I'd love to start webos coding Mar 25 01:24:31 im looking at the tuts on web101 but finding it hard to get motivated if Enyo will be the defacto standard shortly.. Mar 25 01:24:41 depends on how complicated your applications are Mar 25 01:25:12 not very, was going to keep it simple :) Mar 25 01:25:50 your choice Mar 25 01:25:54 Tibfib, is that your way of saying I should persist with mojo? Mar 25 01:26:53 I would.. but I'd switch to enyo soon Mar 25 01:27:39 ok, thanks for the honesty. I didnt want to waste my time but I would like to get some prescense on the app cat Mar 25 01:28:01 so I guess mojo is the way forward for the time. Mar 25 01:28:14 yeah. that's what I'd do Mar 25 01:28:16 Draecos: yeah, I think so for catalog for a while Mar 25 01:29:24 thats cool, so many mixed messages. My head had been telling me to persist with mojo to "get going" but talk on here/forums conflicts Mar 25 01:29:33 argh my poor brain! Mar 25 01:29:36 lol Mar 25 01:30:59 hah. http://www.precentral.net/what-s-shaking Mar 25 01:31:26 crickey Mar 25 01:31:29 nice :) Mar 25 01:31:55 for all you earthquake junkies out there - never miss a tremor :) Mar 25 01:35:26 a great name for an earthquake app Mar 25 01:43:05 dangit byu. Mar 25 01:52:34 * PatrickC_Pre sticks head back in Mar 25 01:52:39 is it ok to come back? Mar 25 01:52:42 lol Mar 25 01:53:23 brb again :p Mar 25 01:54:12 don't believe in the Sprint Nav replacement until there's a github for it Mar 25 02:03:56 it can come out without a github for it :p Mar 25 02:04:52 :o Mar 25 02:11:58 well, make it happen smart guy Mar 25 02:16:23 How do I get an App into the precentral catalog? Mar 25 02:21:21 mgschu: you have to do something special like request developer access...it's been a LONG time since I did it Mar 25 02:21:36 then you can upload your app and wait for it to be moderated/added Mar 25 02:21:43 ack Mar 25 02:21:59 pm dieter then? Mar 25 02:22:15 yeah, that might be quickest Mar 25 02:22:38 sugardave: I'm gonna work on it some more tonight Mar 25 02:22:46 okay Mar 25 02:23:08 I'll be working more on the everything-but-map portion Mar 25 02:23:18 as I'm waiting for an email reply Mar 25 02:28:22 Draecos: I'm in the "newbies should stick with Enyo UNLESS they have an app to release soon-ish and/or they want apps to run on 1.4.x" Mar 25 02:28:25 camp Mar 25 02:31:00 hmmm poss Mar 25 02:31:24 im dipping my toes in the mobdev arena Mar 25 02:31:49 and given HPalm's track record for releasing to market and that Enyo is unlikely to be around until the Touchpad Mar 25 02:32:04 then Mojo is the way to go for some quick, dirty apps to learn on Mar 25 02:32:14 that can get into the app cat Mar 25 02:32:42 not intending to do anything complicated that would require a massive rewrite in enyo if/when the time comes Mar 25 02:32:53 yes, I agree with that assessment Mar 25 02:33:20 so that is my plan Mar 25 02:33:28 cool, welcome to the club Mar 25 02:33:33 and then use enyo when its here to do it properly :) Mar 25 02:33:38 thanks :) Mar 25 02:33:42 oil: ping Mar 25 02:33:55 just got to find the time to learn/dev in between life/kids/work/wife etc Mar 25 02:33:56 :) Mar 25 02:34:03 all good fun Mar 25 02:34:16 right, off to bed kids. take care Mar 25 02:35:38 night Mar 25 02:40:42 well Mar 25 02:40:47 time to work on the app Mar 25 02:43:04 nightmare issue, my ipk won't install and I don't know why. http://bit.ly/webosdummy Mar 25 02:45:00 is that the ipk? Mar 25 02:46:38 it seems to be an empty package Mar 25 02:48:28 that is the ipk Mar 25 02:50:00 definitely not empty Mar 25 02:50:20 let me try something Mar 25 02:53:54 hmm Mar 25 02:53:54 I'll PM you my email addresss Mar 25 02:53:54 end me the ipk via email, and I'll check something **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 02:59:57 2011