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Mar 25 03:07:32 <Hendikins> I'm definitely not used to my phones reporting the originating telephone exchange of incoming calls from numbers not in my address book.
Mar 25 03:08:48 <Hendikins> It is actually a bit of a nuisance for incoming calls from railway numbers, because it gives me the location of the interface between the railway phone network and the PSTN.
Mar 25 03:20:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay dkirker
Mar 25 03:20:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's he job#
Mar 25 03:20:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/#/?/
Mar 25 03:20:52 <dkirker> hi PatrickC_Pre2
Mar 25 03:20:56 <dkirker> it is busy :)
Mar 25 03:21:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 03:21:05 <dkirker> keeping me busy
Mar 25 03:21:06 <halfhalo> lies
Mar 25 03:21:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> can the fix for universe be applied with preware? or does it have to be applied with qi?
Mar 25 03:22:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: I have the logs from the wIRC bug
Mar 25 03:22:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil isn't around to take them :p
Mar 25 03:22:18 <halfhalo> have a cookie
Mar 25 03:22:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 takes cookie
Mar 25 03:22:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to learn how to use them better :p
Mar 25 03:23:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> the "stayed open after closing" bug is gone (for me) though
Mar 25 03:25:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> well.. I'm off to bed
Mar 25 03:26:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> tell oil I an show him the logs tomorrow
Mar 25 03:26:17 <dkirker> PatrickC_Pre2: probably both
Mar 25 03:26:19 <dkirker> I think
Mar 25 03:26:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll try it
Mar 25 03:26:31 <dkirker> I heard people doing it successfully with Internalz
Mar 25 03:26:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> the worst that happens, I have to doctor :p
Mar 25 03:26:50 <dkirker> doubtful
Mar 25 03:26:52 <dkirker> if you do it right
Mar 25 03:27:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> in other words
Mar 25 03:27:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> follow the email
Mar 25 03:27:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 03:27:50 <dkirker> of course
Mar 25 03:27:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 03:28:16 <dkirker> if a developer gives you directions and tells you to follow those steps exactly, you should probably do that :)
Mar 25 03:28:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol. I'll try ;)
Mar 25 03:32:13 <PatrickC_Pre> pre2 decided it was time for a reboot
Mar 25 03:32:45 * sugardave laughs his ass off at dkirker.  "Right."
Mar 25 03:32:56 <PatrickC_Pre> dkirker: preware + instructions = success
Mar 25 03:33:25 <dkirker> sugardave: to some extent. You wouldn't believe how many people told me they didn't follow the directions....
Mar 25 03:33:59 <sugardave> Oh, I believe it...we have people in this very channel who refuse to read
Mar 25 03:34:00 * PatrickC_Pre actually followed the directions
Mar 25 03:34:02 <sugardave> "Reading is boring."
Mar 25 03:34:04 <sugardave> etc.
Mar 25 03:34:41 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave: I hear that person found out reading can be good. he found out good things happen to those who read
Mar 25 03:34:43 <dkirker> yeah, I kind of refused to read a bit too... led to 15 minutes of WTF???...
Mar 25 03:35:00 <sugardave> reading is FUNdamental
Mar 25 03:35:19 <PatrickC_Pre> hehe
Mar 25 03:35:32 <halfhalo> lol
Mar 25 03:35:39 <PatrickC_Pre> that person found that out when he created he meta-doctor and nothing went wrong
Mar 25 03:35:49 <PatrickC_Pre> everything went 100% correct
Mar 25 03:36:07 * PatrickC_Pre that person == me
Mar 25 03:36:08 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Mar 25 03:36:09 <sugardave> amazing how that works
Mar 25 03:36:38 <PatrickC_Pre> I know!
Mar 25 03:36:39 <PatrickC_Pre> right
Mar 25 03:37:20 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave: I came up with a name for my app :)
Mar 25 03:37:31 <PatrickC_Pre> now I just need to get it working :p
Mar 25 03:38:10 <PatrickC_Pre> and, there is not a lot to read to get it working...
Mar 25 03:38:22 <PatrickC_Pre> the documentation on it for webos is almost none
Mar 25 03:39:20 <PatrickC_Pre> well
Mar 25 03:39:27 <PatrickC_Pre> goodnight all
Mar 25 05:24:36 <Tibfib> so I played with a zoom yesterday. it sucked
Mar 25 05:24:43 <Tibfib> just thought I'd share.
Mar 25 05:24:46 <Tibfib> goodnight everyone
Mar 25 05:24:56 <Tibfib> s/zoom/xoom/
Mar 25 05:34:20 <dkirker> good night Tibfib
Mar 25 05:35:02 * dkirker has been thinking about Koto Exhibition mode
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Mar 25 07:19:37 <swisstomcat> morning
Mar 25 08:30:08 <Darkmagister> hi, yesterday, i have upload an app to the catalog, in the beta feed, but i have 2 question, 1 why i can only select the minimum webos version with webos 2.0.0 or 2.1.0? and the other problem, i have a palm pre minus with webos2 (doctored with modified version of the pre plus) but if i try to downlo the app the catalog told to me "no available for this webos version try to update" why ???
Mar 25 10:01:10 <thomaschaaf> Hope you all saw http://reviewtomail.com sadly I forgot to save your email address before.. so all data I got until now is useless because the to address is missing :/ I fixed that. Hope you don't mind signing up again
Mar 25 10:09:17 <dohtem> thomaschaaf: heh, most of North America is asleep.
Mar 25 10:09:24 <dohtem> remind us in a few hours
Mar 25 10:10:01 <thomaschaaf> but you can still sign up now..
Mar 25 10:10:04 <thomaschaaf> I fixed it
Mar 25 10:10:45 <dohtem> Magic! It worked!
Mar 25 10:10:47 <dohtem> :)
Mar 25 10:11:09 <dohtem> can we unsubscribe at a later date?
Mar 25 11:04:39 <thomaschaaf> tada unsubscribe built in
Mar 25 11:05:26 <swisstomcat> rehi
Mar 25 11:05:42 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: http://reviewtomail.com
Mar 25 11:06:19 <swisstomcat> cool!
Mar 25 11:06:23 <swisstomcat> can i tweet about it?
Mar 25 11:06:42 <thomaschaaf> I will tweet it out then you can
Mar 25 11:06:47 <thomaschaaf> you are following me right?
Mar 25 11:06:53 <thomaschaaf> need 1 or 2 more hours
Mar 25 11:06:53 <swisstomcat> yeah, i think so
Mar 25 11:06:56 <swisstomcat> allright
Mar 25 11:07:19 <swisstomcat> i have 500+ possibly interested followers
Mar 25 11:07:21 <thomaschaaf> the code is so ugly :D
Mar 25 11:07:42 <thomaschaaf> I want to get the code done before more people jump on it-..
Mar 25 11:07:56 <swisstomcat> i'll wait for your tweet
Mar 25 11:09:33 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: should have gotten reviewbymail instead of reviewtomail.com :/
Mar 25 11:09:35 <thomaschaaf> stupid me
Mar 25 11:09:47 <swisstomcat> good point
Mar 25 11:10:04 <swisstomcat> but the service it offers is nice anyway
Mar 25 11:10:16 <thomaschaaf> don't really want to spend 8 more € on a product I will not get any revenue from
Mar 25 11:10:40 <swisstomcat> it' advertisement for your other stuff
Mar 25 11:11:04 <thomaschaaf> I know..
Mar 25 11:11:17 <thomaschaaf> but argh.. urge to buy the other domain it is really pretty :/
Mar 25 11:28:45 <madnificent> I either received an extremely well-played prank-mail, or HP/Palm is willing to give me a pre2
Mar 25 11:30:06 <swisstomcat> why?
Mar 25 11:30:15 <swisstomcat> did you receive one?
Mar 25 11:30:21 <madnificent> swisstomcat: I received a mail
Mar 25 11:30:22 <swisstomcat> erm, request one
Mar 25 11:30:35 <swisstomcat> did you request a free dev pre2?
Mar 25 11:30:37 <madnificent> yes, I request one, clearly :)
Mar 25 11:30:59 <swisstomcat> then it's probably not a prank?
Mar 25 11:31:00 <madnificent> s/request/requested/
Mar 25 11:31:14 <thomaschaaf> madnificent: have you seen http://reviewtomail.com already?
Mar 25 11:31:24 <madnificent> it is most likely not a prank. If it were one, it was one of the best crafted ones ever... so I assume it's not a prank
Mar 25 11:32:24 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: isn't that what RSS was crafted for? (no offense)
Mar 25 11:32:59 <thomaschaaf> madnificent: no reviews
Mar 25 11:33:03 <thomaschaaf> in rss
Mar 25 11:34:20 <madnificent> oh
Mar 25 11:34:47 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: I'll check it once I have an app in the catalog then :)
Mar 25 11:35:25 * madnificent really hopes to have that account stuff done on monday. The bank keeps letting me wait on my visa card
Mar 25 11:36:52 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: and no, I didn't knew it existed :)
Mar 25 12:19:51 <thomaschaaf> getting really close :)
Mar 25 12:23:56 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: for reviewtomail?
Mar 25 12:35:58 <thomaschaaf> cwayne: yes sadly I forgot to save the email addresses at the beginning so some people will have to reenter their data...
Mar 25 12:36:18 <thomaschaaf> if I had lost the appid I could have notified everyone but I just saved it as an md5 hash..
Mar 25 12:36:24 <thomaschaaf> sadly thats no good :D
Mar 25 13:02:47 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: lol
Mar 25 13:02:54 <thomaschaaf> cwayne: yes..
Mar 25 13:16:57 <thomaschaaf> I think I'm done
Mar 25 13:17:55 <swisstomcat> go4it
Mar 25 13:24:01 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: tweeted
Mar 25 13:24:06 <thomaschaaf> you may tweet what you want
Mar 25 13:24:14 <thomaschaaf> doesn't have to be a retweet
Mar 25 13:25:10 <swisstomcat> k
Mar 25 13:33:36 <thomaschaaf> funkatron:
Mar 25 13:33:41 <thomaschaaf> http://reviewtomail.com
Mar 25 13:33:42 <funkatron> yes?
Mar 25 13:33:47 <thomaschaaf> works now :)
Mar 25 13:33:50 <funkatron> okay
Mar 25 13:33:55 <thomaschaaf> checks every three hours
Mar 25 13:33:59 <funkatron> do I want app reviews to be emailed to me?
Mar 25 13:34:03 <thomaschaaf> if you signed up yesterday you have to do again :(
Mar 25 13:34:09 <thomaschaaf> I don't know ;)
Mar 25 13:34:26 <thomaschaaf> subscribe any time you want
Mar 25 13:34:32 <thomaschaaf> or unsubscribe
Mar 25 13:34:53 <funkatron> I definitely do not want to see my app reviews. period.
Mar 25 13:34:54 <funkatron> 8D
Mar 25 13:34:58 <hotdp> haha
Mar 25 13:35:08 <hotdp> its no fun to get angry mails all the time
Mar 25 13:35:09 <funkatron> this is very true: http://carpeaqua.com/2011/03/23/why-i-dont-do-sales-on-the-app-store/
Mar 25 13:36:29 <swisstomcat> what's your twitter id, thomaschaaf?
Mar 25 13:36:59 <swisstomcat> hey funkatron
Mar 25 13:37:13 <funkatron> yello
Mar 25 13:38:35 <hotdp> hey haeffb_pre!
Mar 25 13:38:45 <swisstomcat> hey haeffb
Mar 25 13:39:09 <haeffb_pre> hello, my european friends!
Mar 25 13:39:18 <hotdp> :)
Mar 25 13:40:48 <haeffb_pre> ...and peter
Mar 25 13:40:53 <hotdp> haha
Mar 25 13:41:03 <hotdp> Peter is busy
Mar 25 13:41:34 <thomaschaaf> hope someone enjoys reviewtomail anyways..
Mar 25 13:42:01 <hotdp> thomaschaaf, what is your irl job?
Mar 25 13:42:17 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: where is your tweet?
Mar 25 13:42:34 <swisstomcat> what's your twitter id?
Mar 25 13:43:08 <thomaschaaf> hotdp: founder of komola UG ( http://komola.de ) we sell stuff like http://vsphp.de a plugin for visual studio to develop php and are currently working on support software (http://suplify.me)
Mar 25 13:43:14 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: tsheeeep
Mar 25 13:43:20 <hotdp> i see
Mar 25 13:43:20 <thomaschaaf> its 4 e because 2 a
Mar 25 13:43:47 <thomaschaaf> schaf <->sheep | schaaf <-> sheeeep
Mar 25 13:43:54 <swisstomcat> hehe
Mar 25 13:44:21 <swisstomcat> retweeted
Mar 25 13:44:31 <thomaschaaf> nice little 6 hour project :)
Mar 25 13:53:09 <thomaschaaf> another upgrade also now tells you if a new version is pushed.. so you don't have to check anymore :)
Mar 25 13:53:46 <swisstomcat> cool
Mar 25 13:54:02 <swisstomcat> hp should offer such a service
Mar 25 13:54:33 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: they should do many things
Mar 25 13:55:38 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: I can't seem to see that tweet :(
Mar 25 13:55:52 <swisstomcat> hmm
Mar 25 13:55:54 <thomaschaaf> ah its a retweet
Mar 25 13:55:57 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 25 13:56:05 <thomaschaaf> now go and put all your applications in r2m
Mar 25 13:56:50 <swisstomcat> hmm
Mar 25 13:56:54 <swisstomcat> can't find your appid
Mar 25 13:57:04 <thomaschaaf> appid?
Mar 25 13:57:13 <swisstomcat> com.inorbit.connectdots
Mar 25 13:57:15 <thomaschaaf> hmm
Mar 25 13:57:24 <thomaschaaf> I'll look into it
Mar 25 13:57:32 <swisstomcat> how often is the data refreshed? it's a newer app
Mar 25 13:58:00 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: it is brand new data.. maybe not available in the us?
Mar 25 13:58:33 <swisstomcat> it was released monday
Mar 25 13:58:47 <swisstomcat> and available worldwide (and AC)
Mar 25 14:00:41 <thomaschaaf> hmmm
Mar 25 14:00:56 <swisstomcat> webosconnect hat auch RT'd :)
Mar 25 14:01:28 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: I think it's because the reviews are empty
Mar 25 14:01:37 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 25 14:01:45 <swisstomcat> that could be .. no reviews .. but then the error msg is wrong :)
Mar 25 14:02:04 <thomaschaaf> yea.. it should still import you app..
Mar 25 14:05:57 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: fixed
Mar 25 14:06:04 <swisstomcat> thx
Mar 25 14:06:57 <thomaschaaf> is webosconnect  someone official?
Mar 25 14:07:00 <swisstomcat> worked
Mar 25 14:07:13 <swisstomcat> yeah, they're an agency (agora9)
Mar 25 14:07:20 <swisstomcat> doing the webosconnect events for HP
Mar 25 14:07:46 <thomaschaaf> interessting
Mar 25 14:09:39 <thomaschaaf> okay the beast is launched
Mar 25 14:09:43 <thomaschaaf> I like it
Mar 25 14:10:32 <swisstomcat> can it handle the load?
Mar 25 14:10:35 <thomaschaaf> also it doesn't only notice new ones but also changed ones
Mar 25 14:10:49 <hotdp> cool
Mar 25 14:10:50 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: it's on our live server stack.. everything is fine :)
Mar 25 14:11:02 <swisstomcat> node? nginx?
Mar 25 14:11:32 <thomaschaaf> its really simple php
Mar 25 14:11:49 <thomaschaaf> and a really easy website just have an optimzed apache running for it
Mar 25 14:11:54 <thomaschaaf> that is sufficent
Mar 25 14:12:08 <swisstomcat> wait until you get 1000's of requests ;)
Mar 25 14:12:15 <thomaschaaf> suplify runs on a complicated setup
Mar 25 14:12:42 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: I might need to ask for some help from the community then.. because of the request session :D
Mar 25 14:12:57 <thomaschaaf> would be nice if I could get a pool of different usernames :D
Mar 25 14:13:02 <thomaschaaf> currently using mine
Mar 25 14:13:11 <swisstomcat> oh, i see
Mar 25 14:13:32 <thomaschaaf> will take the one from my pre-
Mar 25 14:13:42 <thomaschaaf> and my girlfriend and some others I have access to
Mar 25 14:13:47 <thomaschaaf> but the more the better :D
Mar 25 14:13:58 <swisstomcat> ask chuq if they want to have it officially on the developer portal
Mar 25 14:14:08 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: they don't
Mar 25 14:14:11 <thomaschaaf> bet?
Mar 25 14:14:24 <thomaschaaf> hope they don't ask me to take it down too soon
Mar 25 14:16:02 <thomaschaaf> no one has bought http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.komola.rainy  :( am going to make it free now :/
Mar 25 14:17:03 <thomaschaaf> hmm can't change it to free :/
Mar 25 14:17:15 <swisstomcat> not many sales for connectdots either
Mar 25 14:18:43 <thomaschaaf> well 5 sales
Mar 25 14:18:53 <thomaschaaf> is better that 0
Mar 25 14:19:18 <KungPhoo> yes. Keep it that awy.
Mar 25 14:19:26 <KungPhoo> might be 10 in a year
Mar 25 14:19:41 <KungPhoo> what do you gain from making it free?
Mar 25 14:19:54 <thomaschaaf> karma
Mar 25 14:19:55 <KungPhoo> other than dropping the average price tag for apps
Mar 25 14:19:58 <KungPhoo> lol
Mar 25 14:20:10 <thomaschaaf> I'd put ads in there..
Mar 25 14:20:15 <thomaschaaf> just like in all of mine
Mar 25 14:20:18 <KungPhoo> ok
Mar 25 14:20:25 <swisstomcat> i don't like ads
Mar 25 14:20:29 <KungPhoo> do you get some mo from the ads?
Mar 25 14:20:40 <swisstomcat> either make it really free or leave it paid
Mar 25 14:20:45 <KungPhoo> I hate ads, too. They always remind me of cheap sex sites
Mar 25 14:20:45 <thomaschaaf> made a couple hundred
Mar 25 14:21:37 <thomaschaaf> KungPhoo: 550 usd to this day with ads
Mar 25 14:21:53 <KungPhoo> that's quite something
Mar 25 14:22:00 <KungPhoo> on webos?
Mar 25 14:22:03 <thomaschaaf> :/ not for the time spent
Mar 25 14:22:04 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 25 14:23:42 <thomaschaaf> just webos
Mar 25 14:23:50 <thomaschaaf> also made 60 usd on paid apps
Mar 25 14:24:29 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: 550?! how many requests do you get a day?
Mar 25 14:24:37 * sugardave suddenly feels a lot better about what he has made so far.
Mar 25 14:24:49 <KungPhoo> I made $10 so far
Mar 25 14:24:50 <KungPhoo> :/
Mar 25 14:25:04 <swisstomcat> i've made approx. 1500 with my apps so far
Mar 25 14:25:06 <sugardave> KungPhoo: I have been putting apps in since 10/2009
Mar 25 14:25:20 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-25_1521.png this was yesterday
Mar 25 14:25:35 <thomaschaaf> sugardave: what did you make?
Mar 25 14:25:59 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: wtf!!! you only have like 300 more requests than mine
Mar 25 14:26:14 <thomaschaaf> and this is ever: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-25_1522.png
Mar 25 14:27:07 * cwayne is sad now
Mar 25 14:27:22 <thomaschaaf> I like how hercalendar too way longer to create than <3 dice and it brings me no moneys :(
Mar 25 14:27:41 <thomaschaaf> will update <3 dice again soon
Mar 25 14:27:53 <cwayne> how many downloads thomaschaaf?
Mar 25 14:28:27 <KungPhoo> link to the dice?
Mar 25 14:29:30 <KungPhoo> Can I change the price w/o resubmitting?
Mar 25 14:29:35 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-25_1525.png
Mar 25 14:29:39 <thomaschaaf> KungPhoo: yep
Mar 25 14:30:04 <KungPhoo> I think mine is a tad too expensive
Mar 25 14:30:13 <thomaschaaf> KungPhoo: de.komola.3dice
Mar 25 14:30:17 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: i think i give up
Mar 25 14:30:17 <sugardave> thomaschaaf: probably around $2-$3K on apps, and around $4K freelancing
Mar 25 14:30:18 <cwayne> lol
Mar 25 14:30:33 <thomaschaaf> sugardave: ads or sales?
Mar 25 14:30:37 <sugardave> sales
Mar 25 14:30:42 <thomaschaaf> what app?
Mar 25 14:31:03 <sugardave> Mind Master, Yule Log, BOFH Excuse Generator, and Scan Do!
Mar 25 14:32:01 <KungPhoo> you make 500$ for a "suck below" dice game?
Mar 25 14:32:12 <thomaschaaf> KungPhoo: sex sells
Mar 25 14:32:13 * KungPhoo goes unconscious
Mar 25 14:32:16 <thomaschaaf> deal with it
Mar 25 14:32:51 <KungPhoo> where can I change the price?
Mar 25 14:33:09 <thomaschaaf> metaupdate 2nd page
Mar 25 14:34:02 <thomaschaaf> why am I not learning for abitur :(
Mar 25 14:35:56 <thomaschaaf> just changed my own review hope to get an email soon :)
Mar 25 14:36:30 <KungPhoo> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.glbasic.drshiver <-- made $10 so far
Mar 25 14:38:26 <swisstomcat> haha … cool
Mar 25 14:38:35 <swisstomcat> ich erinnere mich an dr. bibber
Mar 25 14:38:45 <KungPhoo> I dropped price to 1.99 now. Hoe it's more attracting then
Mar 25 14:38:54 <swisstomcat> is it only in german?
Mar 25 14:39:03 <KungPhoo> I got a letter from Haspbor's lawers the other day
Mar 25 14:39:09 <KungPhoo> no, it's english, too
Mar 25 14:39:23 <swisstomcat> lawyer letter .. not good
Mar 25 14:39:40 <KungPhoo> they wanted me to remove "operation" from the keywords. Nothing serious
Mar 25 14:39:51 <swisstomcat> hmm
Mar 25 14:40:09 <KungPhoo> the original game is called "Operation" in UK/US
Mar 25 14:40:16 <swisstomcat> ah, ok
Mar 25 14:40:26 <swisstomcat> so they even watch the palm app catalog
Mar 25 14:40:33 <KungPhoo> that was iOS
Mar 25 14:40:58 <KungPhoo> ..where the game does $10/day
Mar 25 14:41:01 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 25 14:41:05 <swisstomcat> is it SDL?
Mar 25 14:41:13 <KungPhoo> no. it's www.glbasic.com
Mar 25 14:41:36 <swisstomcat> interesting
Mar 25 14:41:46 <KungPhoo> it sure is. I'm the author
Mar 25 14:42:31 <thomaschaaf> KungPhoo: "unglüglichen" ähm....
Mar 25 14:42:55 <swisstomcat> oh, so you wrote glbasic?
Mar 25 14:42:57 <thomaschaaf> ich brauche viel "Glüg" für men Abitur?
Mar 25 14:43:06 <KungPhoo> lol
Mar 25 14:43:21 <KungPhoo> Mistkäfter Schreibfehler
Mar 25 14:43:22 <thomaschaaf> fix that in your description
Mar 25 14:43:36 <KungPhoo> swisstomcat yes.
Mar 25 14:43:50 <KungPhoo> Currently working on an Android port, but this one sucks most
Mar 25 14:44:15 <swisstomcat> a blog post how to use glbasic with webos would be great
Mar 25 14:44:27 <swisstomcat> or if it's easy i  can do one
Mar 25 14:47:22 <swisstomcat> ich habe mal darüber getweetet :)
Mar 25 14:50:02 <thomaschaaf> currently 14 apps being monitored..
Mar 25 14:50:08 <KungPhoo> see the manual: http://www.glbasic.com/xmlhelp.php?lang=en&id=395&action=view
Mar 25 14:50:11 <thomaschaaf> will go offline now
Mar 25 14:50:19 <KungPhoo> swisstomcat danke
Mar 25 14:50:33 <KungPhoo> happy Abitur'ing
Mar 25 14:53:25 <swisstomcat> GL thomaschaaf
Mar 25 14:53:41 <thomaschaaf> macht fleißig werbung für mich :)
Mar 25 14:54:04 <KungPhoo> ich dacht' Sex sells?
Mar 25 14:54:10 <KungPhoo> XD
Mar 25 14:54:44 <swisstomcat> werbung hilft auch
Mar 25 14:55:03 <thomaschaaf> wenigstens rufen bei euch solche leute net an : http://i.imgur.com/kOudr.jpg
Mar 25 14:55:45 <swisstomcat> lol
Mar 25 14:55:49 <KungPhoo> lol
Mar 25 15:03:44 <RagingMind> I need to start learning german again... any suggestions from those who speak it already
Mar 25 15:03:45 <RagingMind> ?
Mar 25 15:04:38 <swisstomcat> come to germany :)
Mar 25 15:05:07 <KungPhoo> Join a German irc channel that is about something you are interested in
Mar 25 15:05:14 <KungPhoo> technical stuff prefered
Mar 25 15:13:43 <sugardave> gree, Pre - keeps complaining of data corruption on eject, even though I really "safely eject"ed it
Mar 25 15:13:52 <sugardave> s/gree/grrr/
Mar 25 15:15:19 <Loudergood> awesome
Mar 25 15:15:37 <Loudergood> time for a fsck
Mar 25 15:15:47 <halfhalo> lol
Mar 25 15:15:48 <Loudergood> actually that partition is fat32 isn't it...
Mar 25 15:15:55 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 25 15:16:00 <sugardave> yep
Mar 25 15:37:20 <RagingMind> sugardave, I had that issue... I wound up doctoring and forcing it to reformat my media partition
Mar 25 15:58:54 <sugardave> RagingMind: awesome
Mar 25 16:03:02 <Tibfib> I think it's time to spend more time on [redacted] koto
Mar 25 16:12:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 *waves hi*
Mar 25 16:14:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning chuqui
Mar 25 16:15:25 <chuqui> morning
Mar 25 16:16:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil: ping
Mar 25 16:20:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, I wish cloudmade had a webOS api
Mar 25 16:22:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 25 16:23:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> XML or GPX
Mar 25 16:24:00 <RagingMind> gpx
Mar 25 16:24:13 <RagingMind> *shrugs*
Mar 25 16:24:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> ragingmind: how goes it?
Mar 25 16:24:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> I might be brave and try gpx
Mar 25 16:25:36 <RagingMind> I have no idea what you're trying it for... but I know I already have software on my computer that'll read the gpx files from mojotracker
Mar 25 16:26:02 <RagingMind> I'm currently trying to assemble a new wifi router
Mar 25 16:26:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> for a navigation app
Mar 25 16:26:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> sounds fun :p
Mar 25 16:26:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> what happened to the old one?
Mar 25 16:26:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> and *assembly required*?
Mar 25 16:27:10 <RagingMind> the old one has been a thorn in my side for years, so with my tax return I'm buying parts to build one
Mar 25 16:27:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Mar 25 16:27:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying to use APIs for webOS ment for web development..
Mar 25 16:29:29 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, yes... I imagine that's how most apps on webos interact with the web  :-P
Mar 25 16:29:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 25 16:29:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, their API is designed for every mobile OS but webOS
Mar 25 16:30:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> their documentation is for building a webpage
Mar 25 16:30:17 <RagingMind> I suggested cloudmade because someone in here posted a link to a long list of web apis and while searching it for location/gps/map stuff I found cloudmade
Mar 25 16:30:46 <RagingMind> who I was already familiar with because they offer selected maps for navit (that don't work)
Mar 25 16:30:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> its really nice
Mar 25 16:31:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> but it is not the easiest thing to implement into webOS
Mar 25 16:31:38 <RagingMind> I had planned on using it to teach myself webos app development and JS... but I've given up on that for now
Mar 25 16:31:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 16:32:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm planning on making a navigation app
Mar 25 16:32:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> $0.99 in the app catalog, free in Preware
Mar 25 16:33:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> and open source
Mar 25 16:33:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> maybe it'll be a big hit, maybe not
Mar 25 16:35:14 <sugardave> gpx is xml....
Mar 25 16:35:25 <RagingMind> sugardave, I was wondering about that
Mar 25 16:35:41 <sugardave> it surely is, that was the first app I ever wrote...a geocaching one
Mar 25 16:35:54 <sugardave> never got far because someone beat me to the punch AND they had nice graphics :)
Mar 25 16:36:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 16:36:07 <sugardave> I was just excited that I was able to parse out .gpx files
Mar 25 16:36:36 * PatrickC_Pre2 would be able to do *half* what sugardave does
Mar 25 16:36:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/would be able/would be happy to be able/
Mar 25 16:37:16 <sugardave> just keep working on things, you will learn all kinds of new and exciting ways to code
Mar 25 16:37:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> hopefully :)
Mar 25 16:37:53 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> my favorites are coding while hanging upside down and coding while playing paintball
Mar 25 16:37:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> with this nav app, I should
Mar 25 16:38:22 * PatrickC_Pre2 shoots silent_ninja's laptop while playing paintball
Mar 25 16:38:35 <Tibfib> I can play a song!
Mar 25 16:38:40 <sugardave> I think gpx would be better, because then you could add in geocaching pois pretty easily I think
Mar 25 16:38:45 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> :-P
Mar 25 16:39:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib: couldn't you before?
Mar 25 16:39:03 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> PatrickC_Pre2, good luck hitting me, im a pretty good paintball player!!
Mar 25 16:39:11 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre2: no
Mar 25 16:39:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: so, GPX over XML?
Mar 25 16:39:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> isn't that what koto does? lol
Mar 25 16:39:33 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, what are you actually using the gps for?  that would help
Mar 25 16:39:34 <sugardave> my opinion would be to use gpx
Mar 25 16:39:37 <Tibfib> not [redacted] koto
Mar 25 16:39:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Mar 25 16:39:45 <sugardave> RagingMind: navigation
Mar 25 16:39:56 <RagingMind> sugardave, I got that much :-P
Mar 25 16:40:01 <sugardave> lol
Mar 25 16:40:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> a viable navigation substitution for sprint 2.1 users
Mar 25 16:40:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 didn't know he knew that many big works :D
Mar 25 16:40:33 <RagingMind> if you're exporting it... definitely gpx, but if it's what you're grabbing from the server or using internally... go for whatever is easier
Mar 25 16:40:35 <sugardave> chuqui's on a forum roll
Mar 25 16:40:45 <RagingMind> oops and that's "using the gpX for?"
Mar 25 16:40:56 <sugardave> ah
Mar 25 16:41:22 * Tibfib checks forum
Mar 25 16:41:46 <chuqui> sugardave: oy. people actually read stuff I write? uh oh.
Mar 25 16:41:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 is gonna wait to hear back from CloudMade before he precedes 
Mar 25 16:41:55 * sugardave hangs on every word.
Mar 25 16:41:57 <sugardave> maybe
Mar 25 16:42:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 16:42:18 <chuqui> I walk the forums at least twice a day, looking for stuff.
Mar 25 16:42:22 * RagingMind drank a bunch of acid hoping the headache goes away  (asprin and coke)
Mar 25 16:42:59 <sugardave> chuqui: the "View active topics" link hates me
Mar 25 16:43:05 <sugardave> I hit it a thousand times a day
Mar 25 16:43:19 <chuqui> sugardave: heh. then it probably hates me, too.
Mar 25 16:44:47 * PatrickC_Pre2 is searching for other options
Mar 25 16:45:11 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: what is the problem and why do you need to wait for cloudmade response?
Mar 25 16:45:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> I emailed them about officially supporting webOS
Mar 25 16:45:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I can't get their web API to work in the app
Mar 25 16:45:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> the map won't show
Mar 25 16:45:55 <sugardave> GITHUB
Mar 25 16:46:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> there is nothing *to* github yet
Mar 25 16:46:34 <halfhalo> NAO
Mar 25 16:47:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 25 16:47:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> google.com/navigation
Mar 25 16:48:00 <RagingMind> cloudmade is niftier cause they use open street maps
Mar 25 16:48:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> meaning?
Mar 25 16:48:19 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: you see, if you put even an empty app in there with a readme or something describing what you're trying to do, then maybe other people can look at it AND get the map to show
Mar 25 16:49:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> true
Mar 25 16:49:15 <sugardave> that's how it works...
Mar 25 16:49:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll try to upload when I'm done with school
Mar 25 16:49:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 is on a break now
Mar 25 16:50:13 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, do you know git already?
Mar 25 16:50:23 * sugardave refrains.
Mar 25 16:50:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> not very much
Mar 25 16:50:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 16:50:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> I initiate the repo
Mar 25 16:50:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> haven't uploaded anything to it yet
Mar 25 16:51:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna learn how to use git better today
Mar 25 16:51:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 hopes
Mar 25 16:55:15 <sugardave> you basically create the github project, clone it to your machine (yes, you will need internet access), copy your files into the dir the cloning process made, then some git command to push your changes (I forget what it is, but that's what docs are for)
Mar 25 16:57:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> I already have an empty repo
Mar 25 16:57:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll look up how to make a repo that actually *has* stuff in it
Mar 25 16:57:52 <sugardave> you clone the empty repo, copy files to the cloned dir, then push your changes
Mar 25 16:57:54 <sugardave> it's that easy
Mar 25 16:58:06 <sugardave> but, you need Internet connectivity
Mar 25 16:58:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know that
Mar 25 16:58:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> when I'm done with school, I'll try and do it
Mar 25 17:03:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> how hard is it to port a iOS app?
Mar 25 17:03:29 <sugardave> how well do you know Objective C and C or C++ ?
Mar 25 17:04:05 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't know any of those *yet*
Mar 25 17:04:33 <sugardave> well, then I'd say it would approach the difficulty of scaling Mt. Everest with no oxygen tanks
Mar 25 17:04:41 <Tibfib> psh
Mar 25 17:04:45 <Tibfib> that's 3rd grade stuff
Mar 25 17:04:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 17:05:13 <sugardave> Tibfib will port your iOS app in no time
Mar 25 17:05:27 <Tibfib> psh
Mar 25 17:05:35 * Tibfib gots the [redacted] to work on
Mar 25 17:05:38 <Robdor> PatrickC_Pre2: An app would need a total rewrite instead of  a port. You can't carry over the NS classes or cocoa touch.
Mar 25 17:05:49 <sugardave> see?  This is why I need the job....I could spend a LOT of time learning the PDK finally
Mar 25 17:06:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> still no news I take it?
Mar 25 17:06:13 * Tibfib is probably going to wait for college to learn c++
Mar 25 17:07:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> everything is JSON/XML...
Mar 25 17:07:19 <Tibfib> hmm?
Mar 25 17:07:25 <Tibfib> json and xml are not programming languages
Mar 25 17:08:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird
Mar 25 17:08:22 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre2: no, but I didn't want to try and talk to anyone while I'm out of the country....surprisingly CDMA doesn't exist in very many places outside the US
Mar 25 17:08:39 <sugardave> so, next week hopefullu will move some steps towards the goal
Mar 25 17:08:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> hopefully
Mar 25 17:09:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> are you gonna have them make a webOS Only navigation app? hehe
Mar 25 17:09:44 <sugardave> I have a couple of pet causes I'd like to forward/work on
Mar 25 17:09:48 <sugardave> that isn't one of them
Mar 25 17:10:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> what are they?
Mar 25 17:10:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> what is the job again?
Mar 25 17:10:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> the GBU?
Mar 25 17:12:41 <Tibfib> what teh.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 how does this have 44 million views?
Mar 25 17:12:48 <Tibfib> 47*
Mar 25 17:12:52 <sugardave> I have a line on 2 potential positions: devrel engineer and SWAT
Mar 25 17:13:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Mar 25 17:13:15 <Tibfib> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwdYZ3upT4c
Mar 25 17:13:26 <sugardave> chuqui is going to make sure I get at least one of those ;)
Mar 25 17:13:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 17:15:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> CloudNav isn't going anywhere for a while today
Mar 25 17:15:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> maybe later it will advance
Mar 25 17:15:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
Mar 25 17:17:13 <vaibhav_> turn autoupdate comments on rebecca black, world is surely goinn nuts
Mar 25 17:20:40 <solix> hehe
Mar 25 17:22:05 <Tibfib> mega auto-tuned
Mar 25 17:25:16 <madnificent> Tibfib: looks like it's made for mental rertards (seriously)
Mar 25 17:25:32 <Tibfib> it's pretty bad
Mar 25 17:25:43 <madnificent> perhaps that's why it's got so many hits :P
Mar 25 17:27:16 <vaibhav_> just look at a calendar and spit out a song.
Mar 25 17:29:38 <madnificent> vaibhav_: s/spit/vomit/
Mar 25 17:54:17 <Tibfib> dangit. I need a touchpad
Mar 25 17:54:19 <joeb_> 800mhz on a pre + sucks
Mar 25 17:55:22 <madnificent> joeb_: uberkernel?
Mar 25 17:55:50 <joeb_> ...
Mar 25 17:56:05 <joeb_> of course im on uberkenel pre runs at 500mhz i said 800mhz
Mar 25 17:56:18 <joeb_> 1ghz is better but my battery dies so quick
Mar 25 17:56:23 <madnificent> oh, right, it only runs 500Mhz
Mar 25 17:56:31 * madnificent off
Mar 25 17:58:22 <joeb_> lol
Mar 25 18:05:31 <maik> is it possible to have a single event listener for multiple elements loaded dynamically?  i've got a list and each row has a dom element that i want to listen for taps on
Mar 25 18:06:35 <maik> i'm assuming i assign them all the same id, but is there another property i can hide some identifying data in?
Mar 25 18:09:06 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> joeb_, get the siedo 2600mah battery :)
Mar 25 18:14:20 <vaibhav_> need help on oauth
Mar 25 18:14:42 <vaibhav_> sugardave,
Mar 25 18:16:30 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> we locked sugardave in a small windowless room
Mar 25 18:16:39 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> we charge $49.95 p/h for access to said room
Mar 25 18:16:51 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> payable to webos-internals donation box
Mar 25 18:16:53 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> :)
Mar 25 18:18:27 <Tibfib> argg. Adora, chuqui, we need touchpads for development
Mar 25 18:19:00 <Adora> so do we
Mar 25 18:19:21 <halfhalo> TO THE BATCAVE
Mar 25 18:19:42 <Adora> all in time  =]
Mar 25 18:19:42 <thomaschaaf> no you don't the emulator is sufficent for everything.. when devices can be bought they will ask you if you are a developer and if you are put you on a waiting list.. only customers may purchase the devices
Mar 25 18:20:03 <thomaschaaf> developers should burn in hell
Mar 25 18:20:03 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 18:20:18 <thomaschaaf> this is how I image it will be
Mar 25 18:21:11 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> i wonder how mplayer would do on a touchpad
Mar 25 18:21:50 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> ill have to look at that this summer :)
Mar 25 18:24:59 <thomaschaaf> so what are you guys doing here on a friday night?
Mar 25 18:25:17 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> well, its 230p here
Mar 25 18:25:20 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> so im at work
Mar 25 18:26:27 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> even tho i had my 40hrs in on wed this week...
Mar 25 18:26:55 <vaibhav_> any body received pre2
Mar 25 18:27:05 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> yeah
Mar 25 18:27:08 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> at dev day nyc :)
Mar 25 18:27:56 <vaibhav_> through the developer device program, I got an email saying that I will receive it 'shortly ' 18 days ago
Mar 25 18:27:59 <funkatron> I also have one
Mar 25 18:28:12 <dohtem> mine's coming!
Mar 25 18:28:13 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> thats not uncommon
Mar 25 18:28:19 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> alot of long waits
Mar 25 18:28:19 <funkatron> I sense begging and choosing 8D
Mar 25 18:28:39 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> if its free, be patient :)
Mar 25 18:29:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I got mine
Mar 25 18:29:20 <Tibfib> I was told mine was coming shortly too
Mar 25 18:29:29 <Tibfib> was about 18 days ago too
Mar 25 18:29:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> I hear they are out of stock
Mar 25 18:29:59 <thomaschaaf> 2 months ago I did :)
Mar 25 18:30:12 <thomaschaaf> Adora: is that confidential if you received developer devices?
Mar 25 18:30:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> 2 months.. what was then?
Mar 25 18:30:30 <thomaschaaf> I received my pre 2 2 months ago
Mar 25 18:30:41 <dohtem> PatrickC_Pre2: maybe he bought it.
Mar 25 18:30:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> true
Mar 25 18:30:47 <thomaschaaf> no
Mar 25 18:30:47 <vaibhav_> how much time did it take to ship,
Mar 25 18:30:51 <thomaschaaf> developer program
Mar 25 18:31:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> the dev program started on Feb 15
Mar 25 18:31:08 <thomaschaaf> to germany it took 9 days from ups notifcation to arival
Mar 25 18:31:20 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: connections ;)
Mar 25 18:31:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I didn't even get a notice of ship
Mar 25 18:31:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> w/e lol
Mar 25 18:31:32 <vaibhav_> i am India and not sure how muchh time will it take
Mar 25 18:31:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> it just showed up
Mar 25 18:31:43 <thomaschaaf> india takes longer.. cuz of customs
Mar 25 18:31:49 <vaibhav_> never received a package from foreign country
Mar 25 18:32:03 <vaibhav_> and certainly not sure how it works
Mar 25 18:33:01 <vaibhav_> I did not received any UPS notification, and don't know what it is
Mar 25 18:33:06 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> vaibhav_, basically, it may be inspected as it crosses nation's borders, so whatever route its following it may be delayed in the US or by your customs agents
Mar 25 18:33:17 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> so it makes a delivery timeframe almost impossible
Mar 25 18:33:43 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> issued a $9k purchase order for a profibus comm card for an abb robot awhile back, had it overnighted from germany
Mar 25 18:33:51 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> took 2 days in customs
Mar 25 18:33:53 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> that sucked
Mar 25 18:33:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 25 18:33:58 <thomaschaaf> http://reviewtomail.com for everyone that is awesome
Mar 25 18:34:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, its official now? :)
Mar 25 18:34:24 <thomaschaaf> just had the 100th app signed up
Mar 25 18:34:25 <thomaschaaf> so yes
Mar 25 18:34:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> you need to make an app for it
Mar 25 18:34:31 <thomaschaaf> and I already sent out emails
Mar 25 18:34:42 <thomaschaaf> what would the app do?
Mar 25 18:34:51 <thomaschaaf> be just like the app catalog?
Mar 25 18:34:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> what the site does
Mar 25 18:35:08 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> the site just lets you sign up
Mar 25 18:35:12 <Tibfib> just signed up
Mar 25 18:35:13 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> after that, you never need it again
Mar 25 18:35:16 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> till you make a new app
Mar 25 18:35:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 25 18:35:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the app for it would gain much more business :)
Mar 25 18:35:34 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> so maybe a quick submit interface in an app i suppose
Mar 25 18:35:45 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> or just a webview in an app
Mar 25 18:35:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 18:35:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> 10 seconds later....
Mar 25 18:36:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> "App submitted guys"
Mar 25 18:36:07 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> yup
Mar 25 18:36:10 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> :-P
Mar 25 18:37:05 <Tibfib> I feel like making a non awful catalog
Mar 25 18:37:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> do it
Mar 25 18:37:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> do it
Mar 25 18:37:30 <Tibfib> I can't install them directly from my app so it'd be lame
Mar 25 18:37:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> port the android catalog over like RIM did
Mar 25 18:37:41 <Tibfib> ..
Mar 25 18:37:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 18:37:48 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
Mar 25 18:37:52 <Infinite> hi all
Mar 25 18:38:24 <Infinite> I have a developer phone , unlocked and running webos 2.1; I need to test my app for webos 1.4.5 , how do I go about downgrading the device ?
Mar 25 18:38:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> doctor
Mar 25 18:38:36 <Tibfib> do you have a pre2?
Mar 25 18:38:44 <thomaschaaf> Tibfib: you'd have to do a lot of things which would need you to have an unlocked device but its possible
Mar 25 18:38:46 <Infinite> I tried the webos doctor 1.4.5 on webos-internals and it didn't recognize the device
Mar 25 18:38:52 <Infinite> yes its a pre2
Mar 25 18:39:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> then emulator I think is your only option
Mar 25 18:39:09 <thomaschaaf> since there would never be any more in it for me its not really something I want to do.. it's a big project without compensation
Mar 25 18:39:10 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf: wha?
Mar 25 18:39:15 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> pre2 cant run on 1.4.5 - youll have to use the emulator from the 1.4.5 sdk, or get a 'legacy device'
Mar 25 18:39:22 <Infinite> ah k
Mar 25 18:39:26 <Tibfib> what he ^ said
Mar 25 18:39:34 <thomaschaaf> Tibfib: to make my webapp I read the whole appcatalog code and what is involved with it
Mar 25 18:39:47 <Tibfib> oh sorry I haven't been keeping up
Mar 25 18:40:14 <thomaschaaf> basically I would have the power to make it
Mar 25 18:40:17 <thomaschaaf> but not the will
Mar 25 18:40:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 18:40:54 <Tibfib> palm needs to improve the web app pages
Mar 25 18:41:01 <Tibfib> make an entirely online catalog
Mar 25 18:41:03 <thomaschaaf> so if anyone want's to thank me.. go and download one of my apps and vote with 5 stars.. I know that sounds cheesy.
Mar 25 18:41:28 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't need a hercalendar yet lol
Mar 25 18:41:42 <Tibfib> awkward.
Mar 25 18:41:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 18:42:04 <thomaschaaf> choose any: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-25_1938.png :D
Mar 25 18:42:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm talking I'm not married yet :p
Mar 25 18:42:21 <dohtem> Tibfib: I wish the pages would show all the app screenshots too
Mar 25 18:42:29 <Tibfib> seriously
Mar 25 18:42:31 <Tibfib> they're bad.
Mar 25 18:42:38 <Tibfib> and it wouldn't take much to make them decent
Mar 25 18:42:44 <thomaschaaf> I may end up doing an online app catalog..
Mar 25 18:42:50 <thomaschaaf> that actually sounds fun
Mar 25 18:42:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: rainy is nice :)
Mar 25 18:43:14 <thomaschaaf> if anyone wants rainy here I'll give it out for free
Mar 25 18:43:14 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> thomaschaaf, i already got 2! cant remember ifi ever reviewed them tho
Mar 25 18:43:28 <thomaschaaf> SiLeNt_NiNjA: which ones?
Mar 25 18:43:38 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> pi master and golden ratio
Mar 25 18:44:08 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> my wife hit me when i challenged her to pi master :/
Mar 25 18:44:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 25 18:44:34 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> ive written a program to reverse an involute function before
Mar 25 18:44:43 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> so i had to memorize a few digits of pi
Mar 25 18:44:51 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> so i had an unfair advantage "-P
Mar 25 18:45:17 <thomaschaaf> https://dl.dropbox.com/s/dsf5yc205pfww2v/de.komola.rainy_1.1.0_all.ipk?dl=1
Mar 25 18:45:21 <thomaschaaf> thats rainy
Mar 25 18:46:06 <thomaschaaf> hmm no new signups :(
Mar 25 18:46:08 <NuttyBunny> herrrrrrrr calendar
Mar 25 18:47:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll sign up in a few, I need to look up all my app id's lol
Mar 25 18:48:26 <thomaschaaf> http://www.suedkurier.de/region/kreis-konstanz/konstanz/Der-Kick-mit-dem-Wodka-Tampon;art372448,4792126 lol for you german speaking people
Mar 25 18:48:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> now, I should be able to make Flickr Search 2.0 with the new sdk
Mar 25 18:49:00 <dohtem> thomaschaaf: just curious, how did you decide to write (and, more importantly, test) HerCalendar?
Mar 25 18:49:22 <thomaschaaf> dohtem: my girlfriend told me I am awesome then gave me a kiss
Mar 25 18:49:26 <thomaschaaf> decision was made
Mar 25 18:49:55 <dohtem> "She's acting irrational today.  Color calendar red"
Mar 25 18:49:57 <dohtem> ?
Mar 25 18:50:13 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> haha!!
Mar 25 18:50:24 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> dohtem, you dont understand women
Mar 25 18:50:30 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> they act irrational every day
Mar 25 18:50:34 <dohtem> heh
Mar 25 18:51:01 * PatrickC_Pre2 tells silent_ninja's wife
Mar 25 18:51:35 <thomaschaaf> I will never ever develop anything targetet at women ever again though
Mar 25 18:51:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 25 18:51:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> why
Mar 25 18:51:50 <dohtem> how come?
Mar 25 18:52:00 <thomaschaaf> They are special in that they are really nice and comment "GREAT APPP!!!!1111"
Mar 25 18:52:12 <thomaschaaf> and then forget to tap 5 stars.. and just leave a 0 star review
Mar 25 18:52:23 <dohtem> lol
Mar 25 18:52:38 <thomaschaaf> so I have lots of reviews "YOU ARE GOD" and 0 star reviews..
Mar 25 18:52:50 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> haha!!
Mar 25 18:52:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://m.precentral.net/pixi-survives-45-minutes-450-degrees-makes-sissy-name
Mar 25 18:52:56 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> its he female enigma
Mar 25 18:53:36 <thomaschaaf> precentral won't post reviewtomail.com.. mind tipping them?
Mar 25 18:53:49 <thomaschaaf> http://www.precentral.net/contact
Mar 25 18:53:54 <dohtem> hit em up on twitter
Mar 25 18:54:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> why don't you tip 'em?
Mar 25 18:54:12 <thomaschaaf> I did..
Mar 25 18:54:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah what did they say?
Mar 25 18:54:24 <hotdp> thomaschaaf: have they said they wont post?
Mar 25 18:54:54 <thomaschaaf> no
Mar 25 18:55:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> then just wait :)
Mar 25 18:55:12 <thomaschaaf> but more tips -> more likely to be featured
Mar 25 18:55:15 <thomaschaaf> -.-
Mar 25 18:55:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> true
Mar 25 18:55:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> what should we all say? lol
Mar 25 18:55:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> "Feature this site -> ..."
Mar 25 18:55:58 <thomaschaaf> that it's amazing and hp should have built this in but I built it in the mean time
Mar 25 18:56:12 <thomaschaaf> also that hp should send me a bagillion dollars
Mar 25 18:56:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 25 18:56:42 * PatrickC_Pre2 takes half of that for helping advertise
Mar 25 19:00:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> all thomaschaaf: I tried to give you a good review, but it wouldn't let me
Mar 25 19:00:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> seriously lol
Mar 25 19:02:14 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: probalby for rainy?
Mar 25 19:02:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep lol
Mar 25 19:02:25 <thomaschaaf> you can't review an app if you didn't buy it
Mar 25 19:02:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know :'(
Mar 25 19:02:32 <thomaschaaf> since you didn't buy it..
Mar 25 19:02:45 <thomaschaaf> download hercalendar and say its awesome :D
Mar 25 19:02:52 <thomaschaaf> just make it anonymous
Mar 25 19:03:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmmm....
Mar 25 19:03:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> should I do it...
Mar 25 19:03:16 <thomaschaaf> or brushy
Mar 25 19:03:19 <thomaschaaf> also an amazing app
Mar 25 19:03:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> brushy is nice
Mar 25 19:03:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll do brushy
Mar 25 19:04:06 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> oooh rainy supports exhibition
Mar 25 19:04:12 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 25 19:04:15 <thomaschaaf> its amazing
Mar 25 19:04:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> rainy is amazing
Mar 25 19:04:28 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> one suggestion
Mar 25 19:04:31 <thomaschaaf> I have it as my night stand and know the weather outside in the morning
Mar 25 19:04:33 <thomaschaaf> SiLeNt_NiNjA: sure
Mar 25 19:04:38 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> the update location box
Mar 25 19:04:49 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> when i hit use current, it closes and goes back to the main screen
Mar 25 19:05:03 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> put some kind of prompt or confirmation that it actually got a location fix
Mar 25 19:05:14 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> and maybe change the text in the above box to match
Mar 25 19:05:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: does brushy remind you every night to brush your teeth?
Mar 25 19:05:31 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: no but I should add that..
Mar 25 19:05:32 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> i see, it changed the box now
Mar 25 19:05:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 25 19:05:44 <thomaschaaf> SiLeNt_NiNjA: yes thats how it currently works :(
Mar 25 19:05:47 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> took awhile
Mar 25 19:05:54 <thomaschaaf> SiLeNt_NiNjA: GPS..
Mar 25 19:06:01 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> maybe add the location to the view though
Mar 25 19:06:14 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> id probably keep the update dialog up, with a spinner till it gets the fix
Mar 25 19:06:16 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> then update
Mar 25 19:06:26 <thomaschaaf> hmm I always have the same location and wanted to keep it simpler than others
Mar 25 19:06:32 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> rather than it closing, and me checking to see if it got its fix yet till it does
Mar 25 19:06:54 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> i travel a good bit
Mar 25 19:07:11 <thomaschaaf> SiLeNt_NiNjA: weather channel is probably better for you then?
Mar 25 19:07:29 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> so having the location either shown on the main screen somewhere, or a confirmation would be good
Mar 25 19:07:31 <thomaschaaf> mine only shows if it will be rainy or stormy today..
Mar 25 19:07:40 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> it shows temps to!
Mar 25 19:07:43 <thomaschaaf> yea
Mar 25 19:07:45 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> which is plenty
Mar 25 19:07:47 <Loudergood> what if it snows?
Mar 25 19:07:49 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> all i really need
Mar 25 19:08:04 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> i have a truck w/ 31in AT tires and electronic 4wd interlock
Mar 25 19:08:04 <thomaschaaf> if its anything but cloudy and sunny it will show an umbrella
Mar 25 19:08:08 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> bring the snow :)
Mar 25 19:08:08 <thomaschaaf> snow->rainy
Mar 25 19:09:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib: how's <censored> coming?
Mar 25 19:09:01 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> still, maybe put the location text right below or above all the curent stuff, and while the gps is actively getting a new fix, show the spinner
Mar 25 19:09:13 <Tibfib> well I need a device to test it on
Mar 25 19:09:16 <Tibfib> so not well
Mar 25 19:09:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's not good
Mar 25 19:11:00 <thomaschaaf> I want my webapp to be somewhere :/
Mar 25 19:11:07 <thomaschaaf> like precentral..
Mar 25 19:11:16 <thomaschaaf> stupid waiting
Mar 25 19:11:32 <thomaschaaf> still not more :(
Mar 25 19:13:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> WOR?
Mar 25 19:13:10 <thomaschaaf> WOR?
Mar 25 19:13:14 <thomaschaaf> what does that mean?
Mar 25 19:13:15 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> webos roundup
Mar 25 19:13:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ yep
Mar 25 19:13:32 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> or woppr
Mar 25 19:13:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> woppr?
Mar 25 19:14:29 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> wopr*
Mar 25 19:14:37 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> go watch wargames : defcon 1
Mar 25 19:15:17 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOPR
Mar 25 19:15:23 <Tibfib> what was the cmd for creating new emu images with custom resolutions?
Mar 25 19:16:20 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> i dont remember :\
Mar 25 19:16:26 <Tibfib> :/ me either
Mar 25 19:17:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> google doesn't help either
Mar 25 19:19:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: tweet about it?
Mar 25 19:19:07 <thomaschaaf> I did
Mar 25 19:19:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 25 19:19:29 * SiLeNt_NiNjA is anti-tweeter
Mar 25 19:19:30 <thomaschaaf> but I want every darn developer :D
Mar 25 19:20:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> ummm
Mar 25 19:20:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> a ton of people are tweeting about it :)
Mar 25 19:21:05 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: http://twitter.com/#!/search/reviewtomail ?
Mar 25 19:21:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> by tons, nice big people :)
Mar 25 19:21:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> webos_blog
Mar 25 19:21:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> metaview
Mar 25 19:21:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> webosconnect
Mar 25 19:21:45 <joeb_> ...
Mar 25 19:21:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> what?
Mar 25 19:21:57 <thomaschaaf> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003KZ4JCC?ie=UTF8&tag=ummippunmepod-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1638&creative=19454&creativeASIN=B003KZ4JCC thats a cheap fucking phone
Mar 25 19:22:05 <maik> anyone know what this is about: RangeError: Maximum call stack size was exceeded, :0
Mar 25 19:22:06 <maik> ?
Mar 25 19:22:36 <Tibfib> maik: did you try to Object.toJSON a huge object?
Mar 25 19:22:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: how much USD?
Mar 25 19:22:47 <thomaschaaf> maik:  its a webkit error
Mar 25 19:22:55 <maik> it is an Object.toJSON, but i didn't think it was a huge object
Mar 25 19:23:08 <Tibfib> maik: that's when it happens to me
Mar 25 19:23:09 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: 240 usd without simlock
Mar 25 19:23:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I love how it says "Palm Pre Plus" with an original pre picture :)
Mar 25 19:23:50 <thomaschaaf> can get them for 200 usd thought..
Mar 25 19:23:59 <maik> hmm
Mar 25 19:24:00 <thomaschaaf> that is pretty crazy for a pretty good phone
Mar 25 19:24:29 <sugardave> I just found out I have to be at the airport 3 hours before my flight tomorrow....which leaves at 7 am :(
Mar 25 19:24:31 <maik> so i'm capturing Mojo.Event.tap on a <span>, i don't know what properties "event" has in the handler :/
Mar 25 19:24:38 <maik> sugardave: awe :(
Mar 25 19:24:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> pretty good phone???? AMAZING phone :p
Mar 25 19:25:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: coffee/monster is your friend ;)
Mar 25 19:25:34 <sugardave> sleeping at 7:00 pm after eating a big 'ol piece of tenderloin, then getting up at 2 is more likely the plan
Mar 25 19:25:49 <sugardave> s/'ol/ol'/
Mar 25 19:26:06 <thomaschaaf> maik: I don't thing is has an event
Mar 25 19:26:09 <thomaschaaf> just tap
Mar 25 19:26:28 <Tibfib> maik: yeah you can't toJSON "event"
Mar 25 19:26:31 <Tibfib> it has a ton
Mar 25 19:26:44 <Tibfib> sugardave: do you remember the cmd to add an emulator image?
Mar 25 19:27:00 <thomaschaaf> event.item maybe?
Mar 25 19:27:32 <Tibfib> use the ares debugger to check out the object
Mar 25 19:27:44 <sugardave> hmmm, palm-emulator -install [path to vmdk.zip]  (or something like that)
Mar 25 19:27:51 <sugardave> maybe just -i?
Mar 25 19:27:55 <sugardave> it's been awhile
Mar 25 19:28:18 <sugardave> or it may be a -- thing...why can't people decide on - or -- for paramters
Mar 25 19:28:30 <Tibfib> hmm nothing comes up
Mar 25 19:28:50 <Tibfib> at least under palm-emulator --help
Mar 25 19:28:56 <sugardave> palm-emulator is just a batch/shell script, check it out
Mar 25 19:29:18 <sugardave> --import?
Mar 25 19:29:37 <maik> so how do i listen for a tap event on a dom object in a list and reference that dom object?
Mar 25 19:29:52 <sugardave> event.originalItem ?
Mar 25 19:30:11 <maik> sugardave: --<thingy> should be the long version of -<thingy abbreviated>
Mar 25 19:30:23 <sugardave> maik: if you had my debugObject method, you could pass event to that :)
Mar 25 19:30:30 <maik> heh
Mar 25 19:30:33 <sugardave> one line per property
Mar 25 19:30:53 <Tibfib> sugardave: but it takes a while
Mar 25 19:30:56 <sugardave> https://github.com/sugardave/webos-debug-methods
Mar 25 19:30:59 <sugardave> yeah
Mar 25 19:31:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: I'm not even sure if I'm gonna start on the nav app in mojo
Mar 25 19:31:05 <Tibfib> err. it slows down the ares debugger like none other
Mar 25 19:31:14 <maik> sugardave: which event though?
Mar 25 19:31:31 <sugardave> the one you're listening to?
Mar 25 19:31:56 <maik> it doesn't seem to exist then :/
Mar 25 19:32:07 <Tibfib> funkatron! do you remember the command to create custom resolution emu images?
Mar 25 19:32:12 * sugardave backscrolls.
Mar 25 19:33:05 <sugardave> maik: what do you mean it doesn't exist....it was causing a stack overflow a minute ago
Mar 25 19:33:16 <maik> event.originalItem
Mar 25 19:33:34 <Tibfib> that doesn't exist
Mar 25 19:33:36 <sugardave> oh, I see....was guessing :P
Mar 25 19:33:39 <Tibfib> event.originalEvent exists
Mar 25 19:33:46 <Tibfib> is this a mouse tap or listTap?
Mar 25 19:33:52 <sugardave> that's what I was thinking about
Mar 25 19:34:12 <sugardave> maik: what is the goal?
Mar 25 19:34:18 <maik> you can only listen for a listTap on a list, right?
Mar 25 19:34:25 <sugardave> yes
Mar 25 19:35:06 <maik> i've got a dynamic list, each row has a dom object that i want to listen for a tap on.  the tap handler will do something given context from one of the dom's object's properties
Mar 25 19:35:35 <thomaschaaf> yey one more
Mar 25 19:35:45 <Tibfib> event.originalEvent is the mouse tap event
Mar 25 19:35:48 <Tibfib> on a list tap
Mar 25 19:35:48 <sugardave> so, you could listen to tap, then check event.originalEvent.item (I think)
Mar 25 19:35:58 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: why do you never have to do stuff for school?
Mar 25 19:36:06 <Tibfib> maik: ARES debugger to find out what you want
Mar 25 19:36:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm homeschooled
Mar 25 19:36:40 <sugardave> I'm 5'11"
Mar 25 19:36:43 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: from when to when?
Mar 25 19:36:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> what do you mean?
Mar 25 19:36:54 <thomaschaaf> seems to me you are always online :P
Mar 25 19:37:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I am :)
Mar 25 19:37:05 <joeb_> im 6 foot 300 pounds
Mar 25 19:37:06 <joeb_> :D
Mar 25 19:37:07 <thomaschaaf> so when do you learn stuff
Mar 25 19:37:16 <maik> sugardave: nope, event.originalEvent is undefined
Mar 25 19:37:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't have a certain schedule lol
Mar 25 19:37:20 * maik looks at ares debugger
Mar 25 19:37:26 <Tibfib> thank you.
Mar 25 19:37:31 <sugardave> hahaha
Mar 25 19:37:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just do school, and when I'm done.. I'm done
Mar 25 19:38:19 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: 	for me I would have never learned how to read then :/
Mar 25 19:38:20 <Tibfib> bbl. need some food.
Mar 25 19:38:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: lol.. you get used to it after a while
Mar 25 19:38:59 <maik> event.currentTarget, huzzah
Mar 25 19:39:09 <sugardave> that one!
Mar 25 19:39:13 <sugardave> I always forget it
Mar 25 19:39:17 <thomaschaaf> what movie should I pirate
Mar 25 19:39:33 <sugardave> Abbie Hoffman's Pirate This Movie
Mar 25 19:39:42 <maik> or perhaps just event.target
Mar 25 19:39:47 <thomaschaaf> suggestions?
Mar 25 19:41:44 <maik> next question is how do i embed a unique identifier in each element i'm listening for?  id is static for the listener event, i guess i can create a hidden child object with the info i want
Mar 25 19:41:52 <maik> kinda seems wasteful though
Mar 25 19:42:34 <sugardave> if you're using listTap it should have one in event.index...
Mar 25 19:43:54 <oil> meh
Mar 25 19:43:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> time to make my own help scene :)
Mar 25 19:44:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil: I have logs!!!
Mar 25 19:44:08 <maik> not using listTap as i'm not listening to a list
Mar 25 19:44:11 * oil doesnt see them
Mar 25 19:44:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> from the wirc bug from before
Mar 25 19:44:15 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: WHERES MY PRE2
Mar 25 19:44:25 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides in a corner
Mar 25 19:44:38 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: build it in balsamiq tell me what you want from it :)
Mar 25 19:44:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
Mar 25 19:45:07 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: http://builds.balsamiq.com/b/mockups-web-demo/
Mar 25 19:45:15 <thomaschaaf> you just drag stuff together
Mar 25 19:45:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil: http://pastebin.com/b4SyrzLM
Mar 25 19:45:30 <thomaschaaf> at the end go to file->export as xml and pastie.org it to me
Mar 25 19:45:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm lost lol
Mar 25 19:45:55 <sugardave> maik: what about when creating the DOM elements, just add it?  I think I'm  missing something
Mar 25 19:46:11 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: http://builds.balsamiq.com/b/mockups-web-demo/ open that pae
Mar 25 19:46:15 <maik> right, where i can i stuff #{uniqueID} ?
Mar 25 19:46:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> I did
Mar 25 19:46:20 <thomaschaaf> it will load a webpage with controlls
Mar 25 19:46:22 <maik> i'm thinking in title=
Mar 25 19:46:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> looking on it now
Mar 25 19:46:40 <sugardave> name?
Mar 25 19:46:45 <sugardave> class?
Mar 25 19:46:47 <thomaschaaf> then drag an iphone on there and then you can mockup what it should look like
Mar 25 19:46:50 <sugardave> any arbitrary attribute?
Mar 25 19:47:10 <sugardave> I think you could just make one up
Mar 25 19:47:17 <maik> you can just make up any attribute?
Mar 25 19:47:17 <thomaschaaf> -> cleaner / easier development and you fix problems before programming and I can see what you are thinking of creating
Mar 25 19:47:30 <sugardave> I think so
Mar 25 19:47:37 <maik> how the hell did i not know this
Mar 25 19:47:55 <oil> PatrickC_Pre2: too bad that message doesnt help much
Mar 25 19:47:55 <oil> heh
Mar 25 19:47:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: it uses flash, and flash on webOS isn't the best :p
Mar 25 19:48:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 19:48:06 <sugardave> it depends on if the browser is going to ignore it or not is the question
Mar 25 19:48:06 <maik> i shall name it x-appname-uid
Mar 25 19:48:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> that was the log though
Mar 25 19:48:19 <sugardave> maik: sounds good :)
Mar 25 19:48:24 <oil> not all logs are helpful
Mar 25 19:48:25 <oil> lol
Mar 25 19:48:27 <sugardave> like x-mojo-*
Mar 25 19:49:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 19:49:37 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: you just use it to mock up
Mar 25 19:49:47 <thomaschaaf> oh you're not at a desktop?
Mar 25 19:49:55 <sugardave> hahahahaha
Mar 25 19:49:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm on my pre :p
Mar 25 19:49:59 <sugardave> sucker!
Mar 25 19:50:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> pre2 actually
Mar 25 19:50:03 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: why?
Mar 25 19:50:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> because...
Mar 25 19:50:18 <thomaschaaf> why would you choose the tiny keyboard?
Mar 25 19:50:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not at a desktop right now
Mar 25 19:50:29 * sugardave gets popcorn.
Mar 25 19:50:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> tiny keyboard == awesomeness
Mar 25 19:50:41 * thomaschaaf just got popcorn..
Mar 25 19:51:18 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: I thought you wanted to program your own help scene?
Mar 25 19:51:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I do/am
Mar 25 19:51:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I'm doing it on an old laptop with no internet access
Mar 25 19:51:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: don't even start :p
Mar 25 19:51:52 <cwayne> OH GOD WHY
Mar 25 19:52:12 <sugardave> cwayne: you can't believe the reason
Mar 25 19:52:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> we are not going over this again... I already did it like 5 times lol
Mar 25 19:52:24 <cwayne> i need to know!
Mar 25 19:52:25 <sugardave> seriously, it's impossible to believe because it make no sense at all
Mar 25 19:52:38 <sugardave> you might as well say because he has a purple cat under his bed
Mar 25 19:52:43 <thomaschaaf> how do you turn off internet?
Mar 25 19:52:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> it was never turned on
Mar 25 19:52:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 19:53:00 <thomaschaaf> amazing..
Mar 25 19:53:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> really old laptop + really slow == not very fun coding enviornment
Mar 25 19:53:19 <sugardave> yet
Mar 25 19:53:21 <sugardave> you code on it
Mar 25 19:53:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> it won't even launch the emu
Mar 25 19:53:31 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: what OS? what editor?
Mar 25 19:53:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> XP Pro, Notepad ++
Mar 25 19:53:45 <sugardave> so
Mar 25 19:53:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> 128 MB RAM
Mar 25 19:53:49 <maik> a-freaking-mazing
Mar 25 19:53:50 <maik> thanks guys
Mar 25 19:53:52 <thomaschaaf> try ubuntu with vim :) should fly
Mar 25 19:54:02 <sugardave> you actually WRITE CODE on it..so your excuse (AGAIN) is complete bullshit
Mar 25 19:54:03 <thomaschaaf> no GUI
Mar 25 19:54:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> 128 MB RAM
Mar 25 19:54:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would prefer to not write code on it
Mar 25 19:54:32 <sugardave> maik: thumbs-up
Mar 25 19:54:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> but late at night, when I can't sleep
Mar 25 19:54:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> it works
Mar 25 19:54:39 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: do you not have wifi?
Mar 25 19:54:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> the house does, yes
Mar 25 19:54:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> the laptop on the other hand...
Mar 25 19:55:00 <sugardave> I'm not doing this anymore...you guys that don't know this story are missing soem FUNDAMENTALIST facts that I'm not going to go over anymore
Mar 25 19:55:05 <thomaschaaf> okay you should take 10 usd and get a wifi thingy..
Mar 25 19:55:10 <thomaschaaf> and some more ram
Mar 25 19:55:14 <thomaschaaf> that will be 20 usd
Mar 25 19:55:15 <cwayne> WHAT THE FUCK IS HIS REASON
Mar 25 19:55:45 <thomaschaaf> install a nice linux distro :D no gui just terminal and it will be one amazing machine
Mar 25 19:55:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> my dad would prefer me not have a laptop with internet access in my room
Mar 25 19:56:00 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Pre2: Use Ubuntu server, no extra services, and use screen for (duh) screen management
Mar 25 19:56:02 <thomaschaaf> + you learn unix.. which is the base of webos
Mar 25 19:56:22 <maik> oh dammit, logic = falwed
Mar 25 19:56:24 <maik> flawed too
Mar 25 19:56:28 <cwayne> oh so its for
Mar 25 19:56:29 <Loudergood> heh
Mar 25 19:56:30 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: well you have pre2.. so porn access is garanteed
Mar 25 19:56:31 <cwayne> not porn
Mar 25 19:56:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> I run Ububtu in a VBox on the main machine downstairs
Mar 25 19:56:50 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: with GUI probably?
Mar 25 19:56:53 <maik> is there a way to have an event listener attach to a class... or multiple IDs without having to go through each element?
Mar 25 19:57:01 <NuttyBunny> I run Windows in a VBox in my laptop :P (Ubuntu is my first OS)
Mar 25 19:57:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> GUI == the graphics, right?
Mar 25 19:57:16 <cwayne> i run ubuntu in ubuntu for ubuntu
Mar 25 19:57:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 19:57:28 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: its the thing with mouse etc..
Mar 25 19:57:35 <thomaschaaf> forget about that.. and just use vim ;)
Mar 25 19:57:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> then yes lol
Mar 25 19:57:45 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: emacs
Mar 25 19:57:47 <cwayne> lol
Mar 25 19:57:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> I run full Ubuntu 10.10
Mar 25 19:57:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, and Puppy
Mar 25 19:58:08 <thomaschaaf> *wants to buy PatrickC_Pre2 a usb wifi thingy and burn a ubuntu server cd..*
Mar 25 19:58:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> puppy is nice too
Mar 25 19:58:10 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> PatrickC_Pre2, more specifically, GUI = graphical user interface
Mar 25 19:58:19 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> not just graphics
Mar 25 19:58:32 * NuttyBunny runs his ubuntu apps on his Pre thanx to the X server webos-internals provided :P
Mar 25 19:58:53 <cwayne> lol
Mar 25 19:58:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 is gonna learn how to use the XServer soon
Mar 25 19:59:06 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> PatrickC_Pre2, lesson 1 : type startx
Mar 25 19:59:06 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> :)
Mar 25 19:59:14 <cwayne> SiLeNt_NiNjA: lolol
Mar 25 19:59:23 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> ctrl-alt-backspace to exit
Mar 25 19:59:29 <cwayne> not anymore in ubuntu
Mar 25 19:59:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> in the xserver? on the pre?
Mar 25 19:59:35 <Loudergood> yeah that's changed
Mar 25 19:59:35 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> oh yeah, i forgot
Mar 25 19:59:38 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> they remapped it
Mar 25 19:59:59 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> if it hangs, alt f2 to another tty and kill the process
Mar 25 20:00:16 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> assuming you started it on any tty besides 2
Mar 25 20:00:51 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> i rarely touch plain x anymore, either xfce local or vnc, or just an ssh session
Mar 25 20:01:10 <NuttyBunny> right-alt + printscreen + K
Mar 25 20:01:35 <maik> sugardave: is there a way to have an event listener attach to a class... or multiple IDs without having to go through each element?
Mar 25 20:01:52 <oil> listen to the container then use srcTarget
Mar 25 20:03:20 <sugardave> maik: you have to listen to something above it, then ...
Mar 25 20:03:21 <sugardave> oil wins
Mar 25 20:03:25 <maik> ok
Mar 25 20:03:28 <sugardave> I had to answer some studnet questions :P
Mar 25 20:03:36 <sugardave> s/studnet/student/
Mar 25 20:03:43 <sugardave> I also answer questions on studnet
Mar 25 20:03:46 <sugardave> where I am a SME
Mar 25 20:04:03 <thomaschaaf> why did I watch all the movies in the cinema that are coming out as pirate versions now :/
Mar 25 20:04:10 <thomaschaaf> now I don't know what to watch
Mar 25 20:04:13 <oil> because you <3 the mpaa
Mar 25 20:05:57 <maik> or the MPAA <3 your bum
Mar 25 20:06:45 <thomaschaaf> I don't even go to the cinema often.. what shitty movies do they produce..
Mar 25 20:06:47 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> sugardave is an avid member of stud-net
Mar 25 20:06:52 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> where stud's go to hang out
Mar 25 20:10:05 <sugardave> hahaha: http://yfrog.com/h8ra9rp
Mar 25 20:12:07 <thomaschaaf> sugardave: hehe
Mar 25 20:12:15 <thomaschaaf> okay so The Tourist it is
Mar 25 20:13:39 <dawm> thomaschaaf, i heard its not an action movie
Mar 25 20:13:47 <dawm> but a romantic comedy
Mar 25 20:14:03 <maik> Tibfib: you were saying listTap event's parent is tap?  so if i hit an element on a row the listTap even will fire first?
Mar 25 20:14:39 <Tibfib> umm, I don't remember saying that
Mar 25 20:14:42 <thomaschaaf> I like those :) My girlfriend makes fun of me.. she like people dying..
Mar 25 20:15:17 <thomaschaaf> so I am under the blanket while she laughs at me.. and I am all "awww" when she is yawning..
Mar 25 20:15:55 <maik> oh, i got mixed up
Mar 25 20:16:10 <maik> event.originalEvent is the tap event on a listTap
Mar 25 20:18:23 <thomaschaaf> want to order pizza
Mar 25 20:20:49 <dawm> ugh the new car is like way too fast.. an accidentaly pedal flooring = insane fun
Mar 25 20:21:38 <thomaschaaf> dawm: you are ircing while driving?
Mar 25 20:21:59 <dawm> no im home
Mar 25 20:22:04 <dawm> but im remembering the drive home from work:p
Mar 25 20:23:53 <thomaschaaf> hmm no one has yet received an email because of a review.. people are not using the review system much for the apps that have subscribed..
Mar 25 20:24:14 <thomaschaaf> I think I can lower the update rate form hourly to 6hourly
Mar 25 20:24:33 <thomaschaaf> or rather just daily?
Mar 25 20:24:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok...
Mar 25 20:24:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> daily sounds good
Mar 25 20:24:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> I made the list
Mar 25 20:25:18 <thomaschaaf> 0 AM UTC :)
Mar 25 20:31:38 <thomaschaaf> going to get myself some pizza :) they won't deliver so I'm gonna drive there with my bike really quick
Mar 25 20:31:43 <thomaschaaf> see you in 20 minutes
Mar 25 20:35:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I got the list set up, but it won't populate...
Mar 25 20:49:22 <thomaschaaf> yum
Mar 25 20:49:45 <cwayne> wtfffffff
Mar 25 20:50:36 <thomaschaaf> cwayne: ?
Mar 25 20:50:46 <thomaschaaf> you hatin cuz I have pizza?
Mar 25 20:51:02 <cwayne> lols no
Mar 25 20:51:13 <cwayne> trying to just get the system time and its bein a dick
Mar 25 20:51:27 <thomaschaaf> date = new Date();
Mar 25 20:51:31 <thomaschaaf> whats the problem?
Mar 25 20:52:06 <cwayne> i was doin it from the system service to get the current time
Mar 25 20:52:12 <cwayne> as a service request
Mar 25 20:52:18 <thomaschaaf> why?
Mar 25 20:52:42 <cwayne> im not that sure anymore
Mar 25 20:54:20 <cwayne> lols
Mar 25 20:55:50 <thomaschaaf> did you find the reason?
Mar 25 20:57:15 <cwayne> other than im retarded?
Mar 25 20:57:16 <cwayne> lol
Mar 25 20:58:01 <thomaschaaf> I think I just downloaded my movie in french rather than englisch
Mar 25 20:58:28 <thomaschaaf> thats worse..
Mar 25 21:00:13 <thomaschaaf> good that I can sort of understand englisch
Mar 25 21:01:04 <thomaschaaf> I mean french
Mar 25 21:01:16 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: Enlish btw :)
Mar 25 21:01:19 <madnificent> English
Mar 25 21:01:33 <madnificent> goddamn, why can't I play grammar nazi correctly?
Mar 25 21:01:36 <thomaschaaf> madnificent: did you see http://reviewtomail.com yet?
Mar 25 21:01:42 <sugardave> Tibfib: does about.me ever update your service feeds other than when you first add them?
Mar 25 21:01:51 <thomaschaaf> I don't know who I told about it yet :/
Mar 25 21:02:06 <Tibfib> sugardave: good question. I'd imagine so
Mar 25 21:02:06 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: you told me, I'll look at it later (when I have an app)
Mar 25 21:02:09 <madnificent> but thanks :)
Mar 25 21:02:14 <thomaschaaf> hmm :(
Mar 25 21:02:31 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: it's a cool idea, thanks :)
Mar 25 21:02:33 <sugardave> Tibfib: it must be on a LOOOOONG refresh cycle
Mar 25 21:02:39 <Tibfib> sugardave: yeah just checked mine
Mar 25 21:02:42 <Tibfib> twitter is out of date
Mar 25 21:02:58 <sugardave> twitter, fb, and tumblr are not keeping up for me
Mar 25 21:07:52 <Jake_M> hey if i want to have a button widget disabled unless a checkbox has a certain value, what if then statement would i use?
Mar 25 21:08:31 <thomaschaaf> modelChanged
Mar 25 21:09:03 <thomaschaaf> Jake_M: basically you do a listen for change of the checkbox
Mar 25 21:09:04 <madnificent> Jake_M: you can bind the modelChanged event and update the moedl of the button (I think the model has an enabled/disabled value)
Mar 25 21:09:21 <thomaschaaf> then you change the model and execute the method modelChanged
Mar 25 21:09:41 <Jake_M> okie dokie
Mar 25 21:10:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: setting up the git now :)
Mar 25 21:10:36 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: on a pc without internet *how cute*
Mar 25 21:11:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> on the PC with internet :)
Mar 25 21:11:31 <thomaschaaf> :) what irc client do you use?
Mar 25 21:11:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> wIRC
Mar 25 21:11:56 <thomaschaaf> where can I find it? it's not in the appcatalog.
Mar 25 21:12:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> preware
Mar 25 21:12:24 <thomaschaaf> hmm
Mar 25 21:12:25 <thomaschaaf> k
Mar 25 21:12:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil is submitting it to the app catalog soon
Mar 25 21:13:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> once it'll let him
Mar 25 21:13:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> just installed Rainy
Mar 25 21:14:06 <thomaschaaf> :)
Mar 25 21:14:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, git just won't work for me
Mar 25 21:14:22 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 25 21:14:26 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: try mercuril
Mar 25 21:14:46 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: there's nothing wrong with git (and it's mercurial, you mean, I think)
Mar 25 21:14:57 <thomaschaaf> http://hginit.com/
Mar 25 21:15:15 <thomaschaaf> madnificent: watching a movie while typing sorry
Mar 25 21:15:33 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: rainy is quite cool btw :)  The updated icon is handy on the pre-
Mar 25 21:15:57 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: enjoy the movie.  I just wanted to make it findable for one that doesn't know what he's searching for)
Mar 25 21:15:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: I'll take a look at it
Mar 25 21:16:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks
Mar 25 21:16:52 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: why do you wnat to use git or hg? maybe I can help :)
Mar 25 21:17:38 <thomaschaaf> as super simple version control I use dropbox... it has version control (very basic) and it lets me have my files in sync.. with out much ado
Mar 25 21:17:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> open source ;)
Mar 25 21:17:55 <thomaschaaf> if you want to use github or something because it is hosted there do that :)
Mar 25 21:18:16 <thomaschaaf> http://help.github.com/
Mar 25 21:18:41 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: actually http://gitref.org/ for git
Mar 25 21:22:08 <Tibfib> bbl
Mar 25 21:22:16 * thomaschaaf wave
Mar 25 21:22:34 <Loudergood> or man git
Mar 25 21:23:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> I might look into Murical
Mar 25 21:23:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> (or however you spell it)
Mar 25 21:23:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: won't you run out of room on Dropbox?
Mar 25 21:24:22 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: I have 50gb.. but I don't use more than 1 gb for apps
Mar 25 21:24:30 <thomaschaaf> let me see how much exactly
Mar 25 21:24:58 <thomaschaaf> 23 mb for 20 apps :D
Mar 25 21:25:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 21:25:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> loudergood: man git? lol
Mar 25 21:25:16 <thomaschaaf> so the standard 2 gb is plenty
Mar 25 21:25:31 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: on linux you can just type "man git"
Mar 25 21:25:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> seems so
Mar 25 21:25:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh
Mar 25 21:25:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> linux lol
Mar 25 21:25:46 <thomaschaaf> man -> manual
Mar 25 21:25:48 <Loudergood> on linux you can type man anything
Mar 25 21:26:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I don't have linux up right now :')
Mar 25 21:26:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/:')/:'(/
Mar 25 21:27:28 <thomaschaaf> e Cigaretts seem weird.. seeing johnny depp smoke but not smoke..
Mar 25 21:27:43 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 25 21:34:32 <thomaschaaf> wow I would like to makeout with angelina jolie too
Mar 25 21:35:57 <dohtem> watching The Tourist?
Mar 25 21:37:48 <thomaschaaf> dohtem: yep
Mar 25 21:37:49 <thomaschaaf> I like it
Mar 25 21:38:06 <dohtem> I still want to see it
Mar 25 21:41:55 <destinal>   File "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/os.py", line 157, in makedirs
Mar 25 21:41:56 <destinal>     mkdir(name, mode)
Mar 25 21:41:58 <destinal> OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/Users/eduprey/.config/novatool'
Mar 25 21:57:00 <PatrickC> well
Mar 25 21:57:13 <PatrickC> bitbucket doesnt like me either
Mar 25 21:57:51 <thomaschaaf> why did dohtem leave :/
Mar 25 22:00:09 <PatrickC> im just going to use dropbox for the time being
Mar 25 22:00:42 <Tibfib> hmm what's the function to load a stylesheet?
Mar 25 22:00:52 <Tibfib> Mojo.?
Mar 25 22:03:18 <Tibfib> there we got. it's under stagecontroller fyi
Mar 25 22:03:24 <Tibfib> s/got/go/
Mar 25 22:04:48 <RagingMind> so... the wifi card that's 600mW or the one that's $35 more, only 250mW, but have a more sensitive receiver?  (this is so that I can still use wifi on my pre while I'm at the neighbors)  ;)
Mar 25 22:08:03 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 25 22:09:40 <PatrickC> hay oilsworkn
Mar 25 22:09:49 * oilsworkn slaps PatrickC
Mar 25 22:09:59 <PatrickC> ow
Mar 25 22:10:35 * PatrickC is setting up sourceforge
Mar 25 22:11:18 <Loudergood> 600mW wont help you recieve at all...but the antenna improvement should provide benefits both ways
Mar 25 22:11:56 <thomaschaaf> http://db.tt/H2as6Zk how do you like it?
Mar 25 22:12:26 <oilsworkn> Y
Mar 25 22:12:28 <PatrickC> for what?
Mar 25 22:12:31 <Loudergood> don't use jpeg?
Mar 25 22:13:00 <Loudergood> it's a decent logo as far as being unique and memorable though
Mar 25 22:13:05 <Loudergood> and simple
Mar 25 22:13:07 <thomaschaaf> never use jpg for fonts
Mar 25 22:13:15 <thomaschaaf> always use png
Mar 25 22:13:18 * oilsworkn uses Templarian to make most of his icons :)
Mar 25 22:13:29 <Loudergood> never use jpeg for anything that's not a photo
Mar 25 22:13:57 <Loudergood> it does ugly things to solid colors
Mar 25 22:14:38 <thomaschaaf> http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.almadencode.hackernews/ this is what it should be for
Mar 25 22:14:47 * Templarian spends 2 seconds making most of oilsworkn's icons.
Mar 25 22:15:33 <oilsworkn> a humble boast
Mar 25 22:17:21 <oilsworkn> except lunamanager
Mar 25 22:17:26 <oilsworkn> mine is way better :)
Mar 25 22:17:27 <oilsworkn> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/File:Icon_WebOSInternals_StopLight.png
Mar 25 22:17:38 <Loudergood> lol
Mar 25 22:17:53 <Tibfib> whoa oil, you made that?
Mar 25 22:17:59 <oilsworkn> the lunamanager one? yeah
Mar 25 22:18:03 * Tibfib claps
Mar 25 22:18:08 <oilsworkn> heh
Mar 25 22:18:09 <Loudergood> what tools do you guys use to create icons?
Mar 25 22:18:15 <oilsworkn> gis "stoplight" copy/paste
Mar 25 22:18:20 <oilsworkn> gis "moon" copy/paste
Mar 25 22:18:20 <oilsworkn> heh
Mar 25 22:18:33 <thomaschaaf> oilsworkn: want irc on appcatalog
Mar 25 22:18:40 <oilsworkn> srsly
Mar 25 22:18:43 <oilsworkn> waitin for the government
Mar 25 22:18:55 <thomaschaaf> government?
Mar 25 22:18:55 * halfhalo whistles
Mar 25 22:19:14 <oilsworkn> to get a CCAT number so we can export ssl
Mar 25 22:19:26 <oilsworkn> but we're probably just going to strip it for the catalog
Mar 25 22:19:33 <oilsworkn> and wait for palm to whitelist their ssl
Mar 25 22:19:40 <oilsworkn> so we can use it and their CCAT number
Mar 25 22:19:56 <Loudergood> lol
Mar 25 22:20:23 <Loudergood> you can't just do like netscape used to and put up a label that says "do not use outside of USA, please, we really mean it"
Mar 25 22:20:35 <Tibfib> oil: hmm, how long do you expect the gov't to take?
Mar 25 22:20:39 <oilsworkn> months
Mar 25 22:20:49 <oilsworkn> Loudergood: its a field on the submission page
Mar 25 22:20:54 <oilsworkn> that if you use encryption check this box
Mar 25 22:21:00 <oilsworkn> and when you do the ccat text box is there
Mar 25 22:21:01 <Loudergood> ah
Mar 25 22:21:02 <Tibfib> nice.
Mar 25 22:21:05 <oilsworkn> and you cant continue without filling it in
Mar 25 22:21:05 <Loudergood> fun
Mar 25 22:21:10 * Tibfib has theme switching working in koto
Mar 25 22:21:15 <oilsworkn> so we're gonna strip it and wait for palm
Mar 25 22:21:20 <Tibfib> good choice
Mar 25 22:21:32 * oilsworkn hopes its before his hair goes gray and falls out
Mar 25 22:21:52 <Loudergood> Tibfib: you're like valve, I almost want to buy it again..
Mar 25 22:22:00 <Tibfib> lol :)
Mar 25 22:22:14 <oilsworkn> no lcars :(
Mar 25 22:22:17 <Tibfib> nothing fancy atm. just a black background
Mar 25 22:22:44 * oilsworkn is going to make sexy lcars complete palm-dark replacement
Mar 25 22:22:48 <oilsworkn> so other apps can just toss it in
Mar 25 22:23:40 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: do it
Mar 25 22:24:00 <oilsworkn> heh, the only other app icon on the icon page that i made was http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/File:Icon_WebOSInternals_KeyBoss.png
Mar 25 22:24:11 <Tibfib> heh
Mar 25 22:24:24 <oilsworkn> im pretty sure Templarian made the default govnah icon
Mar 25 22:24:34 <oilsworkn> then i went in and added the LED numbers
Mar 25 22:24:41 <Tibfib> ewww. all the background colors other than blue look bad on koto
Mar 25 22:24:55 <oilsworkn> oh, and the patch icons
Mar 25 22:24:55 <oilsworkn> heh
Mar 25 22:24:57 <oilsworkn> all of those
Mar 25 22:25:00 <oilsworkn> with a photoshop action xD
Mar 25 22:25:15 <Tibfib> Templarian is good at icons
Mar 25 22:25:16 <oilsworkn> (cause Templarian was mia with wp7)
Mar 25 22:25:26 <oilsworkn> i had to replace him with a batch job
Mar 25 22:25:35 <oilsworkn> xD
Mar 25 22:25:38 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 22:25:58 * haeffb has 100 followers on twitter
Mar 25 22:26:06 <Tibfib> party party!
Mar 25 22:26:15 <haeffb> is that a big enough army to achieve my plan for world domination?
Mar 25 22:26:20 * oilsworkn doesnt know if he is folowing haeffb or not
Mar 25 22:26:22 <Tibfib> maybe a few more
Mar 25 22:26:37 <Tibfib> dang. anyone have some good looking open source backgrounds?
Mar 25 22:26:39 * haeffb doesn't know if oilsworkn is part of my army or not
Mar 25 22:26:48 <oilsworkn> tibfib
Mar 25 22:26:51 <oilsworkn> google image search
Mar 25 22:26:56 <Tibfib> that's the lame way
Mar 25 22:27:02 <Tibfib> mooching off others is fun!
Mar 25 22:27:13 * haeffb uses Palm's stuff
Mar 25 22:27:21 <oilsworkn> hell, i made the new wi logo with google image search
Mar 25 22:27:36 * Tibfib usually uses palm images
Mar 25 22:28:26 <thomaschaaf> 36 minutes till engadget show..
Mar 25 22:28:40 <madnificent> thomaschaaf: engadget show?
Mar 25 22:28:43 * oilsworkn waits for recording
Mar 25 22:28:57 <thomaschaaf> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/25/the-engadget-show-live-with-jon-rubinstein-live-video/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter
Mar 25 22:29:02 <thomaschaaf> rubinstein
Mar 25 22:29:21 <Tibfib> oil: you can't filter google images by license
Mar 25 22:29:30 <oilsworkn> meh
Mar 25 22:30:32 * Tibfib works on making bkgd images for koto
Mar 25 22:30:48 <oilsworkn> background images != theme
Mar 25 22:30:57 <Tibfib> correct sir
Mar 25 22:31:10 <Tibfib> I also change the scroll fades :)
Mar 25 22:31:21 <Tibfib> I'll probably do more stuff too later
Mar 25 22:31:24 <oilsworkn> heh
Mar 25 22:31:25 <Tibfib> but my css is a mess
Mar 25 22:31:31 <thomaschaaf> I really liked the tourist :)
Mar 25 22:31:40 <thomaschaaf> good movie if anyone cares
Mar 25 22:31:43 <oilsworkn> clean up your css
Mar 25 22:31:56 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: it's open source
Mar 25 22:32:02 <thomaschaaf> I read that c as an a and was super confused
Mar 25 22:32:08 <Tibfib> crap
Mar 25 22:32:13 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: get haeffb to do it then
Mar 25 22:32:14 <Tibfib> gotta install sp1 for windows 7
Mar 25 22:32:24 <Tibfib> for paint.net
Mar 25 22:32:28 <thomaschaaf> Tibfib: sometimes makes you machine slower..
Mar 25 22:32:46 <Tibfib> probably will
Mar 25 22:32:54 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: ping
Mar 25 22:32:57 * haeffb gone to drink birthday drinks, bbl.
Mar 25 22:33:02 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: pong
Mar 25 22:33:03 <PatrickC> cya harffb
Mar 25 22:33:29 <PatrickC> whats the link to murical (or whatever it was) tutorial?
Mar 25 22:33:41 <thomaschaaf> hg init is what I googled
Mar 25 22:33:50 <oilsworkn> happy birthday haeffb
Mar 25 22:33:59 <thomaschaaf> http://hginit.com
Mar 25 22:34:06 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: you're late!
Mar 25 22:34:10 <oilsworkn> :(
Mar 25 22:34:17 <Tibfib> I think it was a couple days ago
Mar 25 22:34:20 <Tibfib> not sure :)
Mar 25 22:34:22 <thomaschaaf> how can it be happy birthday at something 30?
Mar 25 22:34:33 <thomaschaaf> ??:30
Mar 25 22:34:35 <oilsworkn> because its still not 60 something?
Mar 25 22:34:35 <Tibfib> ?
Mar 25 22:34:48 <Loudergood> maybe he's in nova scotia where the clocks are half off?
Mar 25 22:35:13 <oilsworkn> as if people aren't born at 4:27 pm?
Mar 25 22:35:19 <oilsworkn> everyone is born right on the hour mark?
Mar 25 22:35:23 <oilsworkn> thats gotta be weird
Mar 25 22:35:25 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 22:35:42 <oilsworkn> "keep your legs together honny, its only 7:48
Mar 25 22:35:50 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 22:36:13 <rwhitby> morning
Mar 25 22:36:19 <oilsworkn> hey
Mar 25 22:36:23 <thomaschaaf> hello
Mar 25 22:36:35 * rwhitby waits for engadget live show
Mar 25 22:36:38 <oilsworkn> all rwhitbys kids were born right at midnight, eh?
Mar 25 22:37:07 <thomaschaaf> rwhitby: you signed up for reviewtomail.com yesterday right? I forgot to save the email addresses back then so you'll have to reenter your info
Mar 25 22:37:08 <rwhitby> um, no.  both were early evening.
Mar 25 22:37:15 <rwhitby> thomaschaaf: I did not.
Mar 25 22:37:25 <rwhitby> no privacy policy for a start ;)
Mar 25 22:37:28 <thomaschaaf> oh well http://reviewtomail.com
Mar 25 22:37:49 <thomaschaaf> wounder who it was.. someone put in like 30 apps yesterday
Mar 25 22:38:03 <thomaschaaf> probably some soundboard manufacturer
Mar 25 22:38:20 <oilsworkn> appible
Mar 25 22:38:31 <Loudergood> that'd be way more than 30
Mar 25 22:39:29 <thomaschaaf> anyone looking the livestream yet?
Mar 25 22:39:40 <thomaschaaf> that light is annoying!
Mar 25 22:39:46 <maik> which?
Mar 25 22:39:57 <thomaschaaf> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/25/the-engadget-show-live-with-jon-rubinstein-live-video/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter
Mar 25 22:39:59 <maik> or what for*
Mar 25 22:40:01 <maik> eep!
Mar 25 22:40:15 <maik> any idea what it's about?
Mar 25 22:40:17 <thomaschaaf> he will be touching his touchpad
Mar 25 22:40:30 <thomaschaaf> steve woz is there to I think
Mar 25 22:40:32 <PatrickC> im just going to install xubuntu and try git on there
Mar 25 22:41:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> what do uall think of that?
Mar 25 22:41:31 <maik> do they post the video after it's done?
Mar 25 22:41:41 <thomaschaaf> think you should develop apps instead of mercurial..
Mar 25 22:41:56 <thomaschaaf> and just use dropbox until something else is needed
Mar 25 22:42:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, sugardave doesn't think I'm actually doing this project
Mar 25 22:42:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I want to prove him wrong :p
Mar 25 22:42:38 <oilsworkn> eh?
Mar 25 22:42:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> but, it is all ok dropbox atm
Mar 25 22:42:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/ok/on/
Mar 25 22:44:30 <PatrickC> can you guys visit this link?
Mar 25 22:44:32 <PatrickC> https://www.dropbox.com/home/CloudNav
Mar 25 22:44:49 <oilsworkn> tells me to log in
Mar 25 22:44:55 <PatrickC> n
Mar 25 22:45:00 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: you have to make public links
Mar 25 22:45:00 <PatrickC> s/n/nm/
Mar 25 22:45:08 <PatrickC> and how do i do that? lol
Mar 25 22:45:46 <oilsworkn> hey, i am following haeffb
Mar 25 22:45:51 * oilsworkn saw his last tweet
Mar 25 22:45:54 <halfhalo> lol
Mar 25 22:46:02 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-25_2341.png
Mar 25 22:46:20 <oilsworkn> jing, meh
Mar 25 22:46:35 <oilsworkn> i installed it once, and every week or so its like "hey, update me"
Mar 25 22:46:41 <oilsworkn> and i was like "ok, ill uninstall you"
Mar 25 22:46:59 <thomaschaaf> oilsworkn: they fixed that :)
Mar 25 22:47:07 <oilsworkn> already too late
Mar 25 22:47:19 <thomaschaaf> nothing like it for video imho
Mar 25 22:47:38 * oilsworkn never does video of his desktop
Mar 25 22:48:01 <oilsworkn> and if i did, i wouldnt want techsmith/jing branding on it
Mar 25 22:48:06 * PatrickC is installing xubuntu and downloading dropbox
Mar 25 22:48:07 <thomaschaaf> I show people how to do stuff every day
Mar 25 22:48:17 <thomaschaaf> I have the pro version
Mar 25 22:48:31 <oilsworkn> ohh fancy schmancy
Mar 25 22:48:38 <oilsworkn> buy me the pro version moneybags! :)
Mar 25 22:48:39 <PatrickC> im cheap
Mar 25 22:48:39 <thomaschaaf> mainly because the sales guy in germany is following me on twitter :)
Mar 25 22:48:43 <PatrickC> i run the free version
Mar 25 22:49:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> wanna hook up up? :)
Mar 25 22:49:41 <oilsworkn> up up?
Mar 25 22:50:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/up up/us up/
Mar 25 22:50:28 <oilsworkn> s is on the opposite side of the p
Mar 25 22:50:36 <halfhalo> lol
Mar 25 22:50:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> you know what I mean lol
Mar 25 22:51:45 * oilsworkn doesn't
Mar 25 22:52:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/us up/up us/
Mar 25 22:52:04 * halfhalo has popcorn
Mar 25 22:52:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 has VBox
Mar 25 22:52:36 * halfhalo has a real computer with internet access
Mar 25 22:52:43 <oilsworkn> and porn
Mar 25 22:52:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 has one too halfhalo
Mar 25 22:53:46 * oilsworkn wouldnt let his kids have a pc in their room either
Mar 25 22:53:49 <halfhalo> suuuuuure, one you can use whenever you want? I think not
Mar 25 22:53:52 <thomaschaaf> I like porn
Mar 25 22:53:59 <thomaschaaf> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gbbow/if_you_were_dropped_out_of_an_airplane_wearing_a/
Mar 25 22:54:10 <oilsworkn> unless they buy/build it on their own
Mar 25 22:54:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol oilsworkn
Mar 25 22:54:30 * halfhalo 's little brother has 2 computers of his own, both with full internet access
Mar 25 22:54:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> how little of a brother?
Mar 25 22:55:02 <halfhalo> 14
Mar 25 22:55:33 <thomaschaaf> got my first own computer with inet and porn in 4th grade
Mar 25 22:55:41 <thomaschaaf> so with 9
Mar 25 22:55:56 * oilsworkn has no little brother
Mar 25 22:56:03 <halfhalo> oh, my brother has had a computer for years, starting with an ibook
Mar 25 22:56:06 <oilsworkn> or i would spend all my time hacking into and messing with him while he uses his pc
Mar 25 22:56:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 22:56:23 * halfhalo has passwords for those computers
Mar 25 22:56:28 <Loudergood> I loved vnc when I built my little brother a computer
Mar 25 22:56:38 * oilsworkn remembers aim messaging his sister, and asking her to bring him a cup of water
Mar 25 22:56:40 <thomaschaaf> http://i.imgur.com/2XZYS.jpg I want this
Mar 25 22:56:50 <Loudergood> random words start showing up while he's typing..it was great
Mar 25 22:57:06 <Loudergood> now that would be nice...
Mar 25 22:57:08 <thomaschaaf> how many redditors are here?
Mar 25 22:57:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf: that's awesome
Mar 25 22:57:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> redditor?
Mar 25 22:57:24 * halfhalo goes to restart his brothers 360 remotely for fun
Mar 25 22:57:31 <thomaschaaf> http://reddit.com
Mar 25 22:57:34 <thomaschaaf> news aggregator
Mar 25 22:57:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: haha
Mar 25 22:57:54 <thomaschaaf> great community, lots of nice people, many great ideas
Mar 25 22:58:05 <oilsworkn> they would tear PatrickC apart
Mar 25 22:58:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> probably
Mar 25 22:58:54 <thomaschaaf> there is everything from http://reddit.com/r/funny to http://reddit.com/r/programming or http://reddit.com/r/technology also very interesting is http://reddit.com/r/todayilearned
Mar 25 22:59:09 <oilsworkn> what about /r/fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Mar 25 22:59:16 <thomaschaaf> heheh
Mar 25 22:59:20 <halfhalo> no, no, thats 4chan
Mar 25 22:59:48 <oilsworkn> no, its reddit
Mar 25 22:59:54 <oilsworkn> http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/
Mar 25 22:59:55 <thomaschaaf> halfhalo: http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/
Mar 25 22:59:57 <thomaschaaf> hehe
Mar 25 22:59:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://www.nsbasic.com/app/
Mar 25 23:00:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ lol
Mar 25 23:00:29 * halfhalo goes to find netbook charger
Mar 25 23:00:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 gets a piece of steak
Mar 25 23:00:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> time for dinner
Mar 25 23:00:59 * oilsworkn charges his steak
Mar 25 23:01:16 * halfhalo now feels like outback for dinner
Mar 25 23:01:49 <halfhalo> buuuuuuutttttt lazy
Mar 25 23:01:51 * RagingMind is getting his hot pocket ready for the show
Mar 25 23:02:10 <thomaschaaf> 2 more minutwa
Mar 25 23:02:31 <oilsworkn> doesnt outback deliver?
Mar 25 23:02:35 <oilsworkn> or have curbside pickup?
Mar 25 23:02:44 <halfhalo> yes
Mar 25 23:02:54 <oilsworkn> problem solved
Mar 25 23:03:01 <oilsworkn> eat the steak on the way home
Mar 25 23:03:07 <halfhalo> but I want the car with the backup camera for curbside at local outback
Mar 25 23:03:30 <oilsworkn> what, too many boomerangs?
Mar 25 23:03:55 <halfhalo> yes
Mar 25 23:04:05 <oilsworkn> oh, 4 oclock
Mar 25 23:04:08 <oilsworkn> time to split
Mar 25 23:04:10 <halfhalo> gogogo
Mar 25 23:05:28 <thomaschaaf> hmm waiting for engadget show
Mar 25 23:05:37 <thomaschaaf> still not live
Mar 25 23:06:43 <thomaschaaf> clapping
Mar 25 23:06:49 <thomaschaaf> anyone else watching?
Mar 25 23:06:55 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 25 23:06:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm watchin Sons of Guns
Mar 25 23:07:02 <rwhitby> no sound
Mar 25 23:07:07 <thomaschaaf> hmm
Mar 25 23:07:17 <RagingMind> rwhitby, so that's not just me? yippie
Mar 25 23:07:36 <thomaschaaf> why does the video keep going away?
Mar 25 23:08:24 <RagingMind> and of course when I reload it I get an evo 4g commercial :(
Mar 25 23:08:53 <NuttyBunny> I don't want to work :(
Mar 25 23:09:03 <NuttyBunny> I just want to sit here for the next hour and leave :D
Mar 25 23:09:35 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, watch the engadget show and claim you're researching something or other?
Mar 25 23:09:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just want xubuntu to finish installing
Mar 25 23:09:46 <thomaschaaf> dohtem: did you see?
Mar 25 23:10:02 <dohtem> nope, sorry I had to step out
Mar 25 23:10:15 <thomaschaaf> see twitter
Mar 25 23:10:25 <thomaschaaf> look at your mentions
Mar 25 23:10:35 <NuttyBunny> Nice, getting headphones from backpack
Mar 25 23:10:47 <thomaschaaf> music but no video
Mar 25 23:10:48 <thomaschaaf> ARGH
Mar 25 23:10:58 <dohtem> nice
Mar 25 23:11:01 <RagingMind> the music keeps fading in and out for me
Mar 25 23:11:49 <thomaschaaf> ah
Mar 25 23:11:53 <thomaschaaf> show starting
Mar 25 23:11:55 <thomaschaaf> I think
Mar 25 23:12:04 <thomaschaaf> claping
Mar 25 23:12:06 <dohtem> thomaschaaf: this is much better than I could have done :)
Mar 25 23:12:15 <NuttyBunny> just in time :D
Mar 25 23:12:34 <thomaschaaf> anyone know akanster?
Mar 25 23:12:54 <dohtem> me!
Mar 25 23:12:54 <rwhitby> wonder if they all get a Pre 2
Mar 25 23:12:54 <thomaschaaf> they'll give out veers bet?
Mar 25 23:13:08 <rwhitby> not veers, Pre 2.
Mar 25 23:13:20 <thomaschaaf> don't think pre2 they will get veers
Mar 25 23:13:27 <thomaschaaf> lot cheaper
Mar 25 23:13:36 <Tibfib> veers aren't ready
Mar 25 23:13:46 <thomaschaaf> Tibfib: thats what you think
Mar 25 23:13:46 <Tibfib> I don't think they've ever given out a device that hasn't been released
Mar 25 23:13:47 <mgschu> thomaschaaf: where did you get that from? :)
Mar 25 23:13:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what they want you to think
Mar 25 23:13:57 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf: that's what you think :)
Mar 25 23:14:04 <mgschu> Tibfib: veers are supposed to be released soon aren't they?
Mar 25 23:14:06 <rwhitby> Ruby!
Mar 25 23:14:12 <thomaschaaf> I don't know just guessing
Mar 25 23:14:19 <Tibfib> mgschu: hopefully!
Mar 25 23:14:23 <dohtem> if the Veer was the only thing we were allowed to touch at the Feb. 9 event, I would hope they are ready now
Mar 25 23:14:25 <thomaschaaf> drugs?
Mar 25 23:14:34 * Tibfib is stuck on a sprint ad
Mar 25 23:14:42 <thomaschaaf> WOW
Mar 25 23:14:43 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 25 23:14:51 <Tibfib> now natural instincts
Mar 25 23:15:08 <mgschu> The veer was on sky a few days ago, so they're giving them to journos
Mar 25 23:15:08 <thomaschaaf> cute phones..
Mar 25 23:15:15 <mgschu> a release can't be far off
Mar 25 23:15:21 <Tibfib> gotta be soon
Mar 25 23:15:26 <rwhitby> heh, Ruby just moved the Pre 2 out of the row of devices on the table
Mar 25 23:15:37 <thomaschaaf> now he moved all
Mar 25 23:15:39 <thomaschaaf> weird..
Mar 25 23:15:41 <Tibfib> dangit load!
Mar 25 23:15:59 * dohtem haxxors Tibfib's gibson
Mar 25 23:16:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have ubuntu set up!! yay
Mar 25 23:16:33 <thomaschaaf> they didn't have great products or what do you think?
Mar 25 23:16:42 <rwhitby> scale: 1
Mar 25 23:16:49 <rwhitby> scale: 2
Mar 25 23:16:53 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 23:16:56 <rwhitby> 3
Mar 25 23:17:27 <mgschu> big crowd!
Mar 25 23:18:08 <Tibfib> got it!
Mar 25 23:18:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> link?
Mar 25 23:18:19 <thomaschaaf> "POLM"
Mar 25 23:18:26 <thomaschaaf> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/25/the-engadget-show-live-with-jon-rubinstein-live-video/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter
Mar 25 23:18:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> thx
Mar 25 23:18:59 <rwhitby> not "the webOS" ?
Mar 25 23:19:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid ad
Mar 25 23:19:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> now, I'm watching :)
Mar 25 23:20:04 <dohtem> i thought Josh left Engadget
Mar 25 23:20:13 * rwhitby visited Palm Global HQ, but couldn't get past the public area.
Mar 25 23:20:43 <Tibfib> dohtem: at end of month
Mar 25 23:20:50 <dohtem> ah
Mar 25 23:20:52 <thomaschaaf> rwhitby: next time I will go there and tweet @adora, @webosdev etc. :D
Mar 25 23:20:56 <dohtem> it sucks to see him go
Mar 25 23:21:04 <thomaschaaf> "Sitting in your hall - wanna grab a coffee?"
Mar 25 23:21:37 <thomaschaaf> where is josh going?
Mar 25 23:21:44 <Tibfib> quit
Mar 25 23:22:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> can I have one?
Mar 25 23:23:12 <thomaschaaf> hehe
Mar 25 23:23:13 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 25 23:23:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> or at least a date??
Mar 25 23:23:27 <thomaschaaf> september is summer :D
Mar 25 23:23:29 <mgschu> coming months...
Mar 25 23:24:01 <thomaschaaf> its september 22.. my birthday is one day later
Mar 25 23:24:18 <thomaschaaf> I hate this bullshit no date stuff
Mar 25 23:24:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> can we at least get a date???
Mar 25 23:24:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> or a carrier....
Mar 25 23:24:46 <thomaschaaf> this is pretty stupid
Mar 25 23:24:50 <thomaschaaf> come on..
Mar 25 23:25:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know
Mar 25 23:25:03 <thomaschaaf> looks so fucking small
Mar 25 23:25:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep haha
Mar 25 23:25:21 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 25 23:25:22 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 25 23:25:26 <thomaschaaf> awesome!
Mar 25 23:25:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha
Mar 25 23:25:41 <dohtem> lol, "but you can't read anything on the screen"
Mar 25 23:25:43 <thomaschaaf> ah veer:D
Mar 25 23:25:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> its got a better CPU then the pre..
Mar 25 23:25:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> like no space in your pocket
Mar 25 23:26:00 <rwhitby> veer is a nice phone.  had a play with one last week.
Mar 25 23:26:17 <thomaschaaf> at&t :D
Mar 25 23:26:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> well
Mar 25 23:26:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know the carrier :p
Mar 25 23:26:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 25 23:26:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Mar 25 23:26:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> can you put a pixi com board into a veer???
Mar 25 23:26:52 <rwhitby> no
Mar 25 23:26:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> :'(
Mar 25 23:27:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> is that a pre3?
Mar 25 23:27:46 <Loudergood> you've already taken one apart?
Mar 25 23:27:47 <thomaschaaf> nope veer
Mar 25 23:27:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 25 23:28:09 <thomaschaaf> only 800?
Mar 25 23:28:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 25 23:28:21 <thomaschaaf> slower than pre2?
Mar 25 23:28:24 <thomaschaaf> ewww
Mar 25 23:28:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> the pre3 is only 1.4
Mar 25 23:28:36 <thomaschaaf> 1.4 seems good
Mar 25 23:28:40 <thomaschaaf> but less than 1
Mar 25 23:28:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> o my word
Mar 25 23:28:48 <mgschu> pre3 is dual core?
Mar 25 23:28:51 <Tibfib> 1 ghz is plenty fast enough
Mar 25 23:28:53 <thomaschaaf> no
Mar 25 23:28:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> could he say something... lol
Mar 25 23:28:57 <Tibfib> 1.4 will be awesome
Mar 25 23:29:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> touchpad is
Mar 25 23:29:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> my future phone!!!
Mar 25 23:29:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> :D
Mar 25 23:29:42 <Tibfib> did he officially say at&t?
Mar 25 23:29:46 <thomaschaaf> no
Mar 25 23:29:50 <thomaschaaf> just gsm
Mar 25 23:29:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> he said gsm
Mar 25 23:29:52 <Tibfib> josh did?
Mar 25 23:29:55 <Tibfib> oh
Mar 25 23:29:56 <Tibfib> interesting
Mar 25 23:29:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> ATT is the only GSM
Mar 25 23:30:00 <Tibfib> so at&t.
Mar 25 23:30:02 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 23:30:03 <thomaschaaf> there is only at&t with gsm
Mar 25 23:30:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 25 23:30:05 <dohtem> he joked that since att is buying t-mobile, there's only att now
Mar 25 23:30:51 <rwhitby> such a competitive cellular market in the US - you guys are sure to get good pricing as a result ;)
Mar 25 23:30:57 <Loudergood> lol
Mar 25 23:30:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> rwhitby: have you used a pre3?
Mar 25 23:31:03 <thomaschaaf> this agains iphone 5 is going to be :/
Mar 25 23:31:04 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 25 23:31:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> how much bigger is it then the pre2?
Mar 25 23:31:27 <Tibfib> pssh. 960 x 640 is easier for us to change to
Mar 25 23:31:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1GB RAM?
Mar 25 23:31:36 <Tibfib> just double what we have
Mar 25 23:31:36 <thomaschaaf> no
Mar 25 23:31:37 <thomaschaaf> 512
Mar 25 23:31:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok that's what I thought
Mar 25 23:31:55 <Tibfib> dang ruby is out of it
Mar 25 23:32:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea
Mar 25 23:32:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> "Someone Wikipedia that"
Mar 25 23:32:16 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 25 23:32:18 <thomaschaaf> haha
Mar 25 23:32:44 <mgschu> Did he prepare at all?
Mar 25 23:32:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> Veer won't have touch-to-share out of the box :'(
Mar 25 23:32:48 <Tibfib> I guess not
Mar 25 23:32:49 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 23:32:59 <thomaschaaf> so it will not have it until 2012
Mar 25 23:33:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> come on ruby!
Mar 25 23:33:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> give some details lol
Mar 25 23:33:20 <Tibfib> no big deal
Mar 25 23:33:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> beats.. nice
Mar 25 23:33:34 <thomaschaaf> whatever beats means
Mar 25 23:33:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> google
Mar 25 23:33:42 <thomaschaaf> never heard one...
Mar 25 23:33:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> beats audio
Mar 25 23:33:59 <thomaschaaf> how do I listen to speakers.. I don't have
Mar 25 23:34:20 <Tibfib> I think I'm behind all of you
Mar 25 23:34:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1GB RAM
Mar 25 23:34:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> nice
Mar 25 23:34:33 <thomaschaaf> all old info
Mar 25 23:34:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea
Mar 25 23:34:41 <thomaschaaf> this si bull.. its 1 am here ..
Mar 25 23:34:47 <thomaschaaf> am I really viewing this?
Mar 25 23:35:08 <Loudergood> it's a blog interview, not a hp event
Mar 25 23:35:32 <Tibfib> yeah. you shouldn't expect new info..
Mar 25 23:35:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Mar 25 23:35:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> touch-to-share doesn't work ok the camers :p
Mar 25 23:36:27 <Tibfib> does it work?
Mar 25 23:36:36 <RagingMind> it works, he had the wrong spot
Mar 25 23:36:39 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 23:36:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> he had it on the camera
Mar 25 23:36:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> not the home buttn
Mar 25 23:36:53 <Tibfib> my video is really bad
Mar 25 23:36:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/buttn/button
Mar 25 23:36:55 <Tibfib> skippy
Mar 25 23:37:04 <thomaschaaf> I don't understand how the touch to share works
Mar 25 23:37:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> what kind of connection?
Mar 25 23:37:08 <Tibfib> downloading the windows7 sp
Mar 25 23:37:14 <Tibfib> bluetooth
Mar 25 23:37:17 <Loudergood> it works fine here and my gf is watching streaming netflix in the other room
Mar 25 23:37:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Mar 25 23:37:18 <Tibfib> jk
Mar 25 23:37:20 <Tibfib> it's not bluetooth
Mar 25 23:37:22 <mgschu> they need to show a sms coming though on the touchpad because this is going well for him
Mar 25 23:37:25 <thomaschaaf> so why the weird spot?
Mar 25 23:37:40 <mgschu> precentral reported the new touchstone having two freqs
Mar 25 23:37:52 <mgschu> one for charging and one maybe for data
Mar 25 23:37:52 <Tibfib> YAY
Mar 25 23:37:57 <Tibfib> API!
Mar 25 23:38:01 <Tibfib> WOOOOT
Mar 25 23:38:02 <rwhitby> actually, I reported that to precentral ;)
Mar 25 23:38:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> for the it to know which touchstone its in, I guess
Mar 25 23:38:07 <mgschu> high freq, 14Mhz maybe? not nfc anyway
Mar 25 23:38:19 <mgschu> rwhitby: spill the beans!
Mar 25 23:38:30 <dohtem> Tibfib: for tts?
Mar 25 23:38:34 <Tibfib> yeah!
Mar 25 23:38:39 <dohtem> nice
Mar 25 23:38:40 <Tibfib> ruby just officialized it
Mar 25 23:38:43 <rwhitby> the frequencies are listed in the FCC filing
Mar 25 23:38:44 <thomaschaaf> okay so no one here knows what tech is behind it either..
Mar 25 23:39:08 <dohtem> thomaschaaf: iirc Palm hasnt said.
Mar 25 23:39:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> no! no slate phone
Mar 25 23:39:26 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: how are you faster then me :/
Mar 25 23:39:29 <rwhitby> it's a low bandwidth 3MHz inductive comms loop. nonstandard technology.
Mar 25 23:39:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> 3MB download speeds
Mar 25 23:40:01 <mgschu> PatrickC_Pre2: ?
Mar 25 23:40:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> we own iOS
Mar 25 23:40:10 <thomaschaaf> how so?
Mar 25 23:40:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> iOS doesn't compete with out multitasking
Mar 25 23:40:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> or hardware
Mar 25 23:40:54 <dohtem> they win marketshake and mindshare.
Mar 25 23:40:58 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: HAVE YOU USED AN IPHONE?!
Mar 25 23:41:01 <mgschu> it matches the hardware
Mar 25 23:41:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> iPhone4 == death grip
Mar 25 23:41:20 <mgschu> and the implementation of the os is far better, even if the underlying tech isn't
Mar 25 23:41:27 <thomaschaaf> the iphone 4 feels like gold compared to a plam pre
Mar 25 23:41:35 <Tibfib> iPhone4 hardware is pretty nice
Mar 25 23:41:41 <Tibfib> pre2 hardware is pretty slick
Mar 25 23:41:44 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: I have done many calls no problem
Mar 25 23:41:55 <thomaschaaf> pre2 is hmm..
Mar 25 23:42:01 <Tibfib> pre-/+ are shmeh
Mar 25 23:42:04 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf: do you have a pre2?
Mar 25 23:42:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea
Mar 25 23:42:08 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 25 23:42:23 <thomaschaaf> I do have a pre2
Mar 25 23:42:32 <thomaschaaf> but I also have used many iphones..
Mar 25 23:42:47 <thomaschaaf> and alone the camera on iphone is so much nicer also sound quality
Mar 25 23:42:49 <mgschu> and toasters?
Mar 25 23:43:05 <thomaschaaf> then again I like the keyboard on pre..
Mar 25 23:43:07 <Tibfib> what are we talking about?
Mar 25 23:43:16 <thomaschaaf> just fighting :D
Mar 25 23:43:19 <Tibfib> why>?
Mar 25 23:43:20 * NuttyBunny really loves webOS :D
Mar 25 23:43:29 * thomaschaaf hugs everyone
Mar 25 23:43:53 <thomaschaaf> they should make the developer center more awesome
Mar 25 23:43:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> what did I miss?
Mar 25 23:44:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> our developer base is close
Mar 25 23:44:21 <mgschu> he gave us release dates!   (not really)
Mar 25 23:44:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 25 23:45:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> feature devices were announced :)
Mar 25 23:45:22 <torchie> rubenstein on engadget show!
Mar 25 23:45:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 25 23:47:03 <thomaschaaf> give me great PIM applications..
Mar 25 23:47:13 <thomaschaaf> not ok ones
Mar 25 23:47:45 <mgschu> melodeo?
Mar 25 23:47:49 <thomaschaaf> amazon mp3 store is only in us :/
Mar 25 23:47:53 <thomaschaaf> what!
Mar 25 23:47:53 <torchie> :d
Mar 25 23:48:02 <thomaschaaf> easily sync with itunes again?
Mar 25 23:48:07 <thomaschaaf> itunes?!
Mar 25 23:48:09 <thomaschaaf> really
Mar 25 23:48:10 <thomaschaaf> WHY
Mar 25 23:48:12 <torchie> did android have any sort of easy mp3 solution built in
Mar 25 23:48:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> idk
Mar 25 23:48:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> what did I miss again?
Mar 25 23:48:29 <torchie> or does it just have a habit of being able to get away with a lot of shit since it's on every device ever
Mar 25 23:48:30 <mgschu> torchie: not built in, but it has amazing support for winamp
Mar 25 23:48:41 <torchie> yeah winamp is p. fly
Mar 25 23:48:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> playbook == boooo
Mar 25 23:49:02 <torchie> blackderpy derp derp
Mar 25 23:49:03 <torchie> 7 inches
Mar 25 23:49:07 <torchie> noise.
Mar 25 23:50:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> palm pilot!! ftw
Mar 25 23:51:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea!!
Mar 25 23:51:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> webos PCs
Mar 25 23:51:10 <torchie> webos on desktops :(
Mar 25 23:51:17 <torchie> more like
Mar 25 23:51:19 <thomaschaaf> I don't want that
Mar 25 23:51:20 <torchie> windows 7 on desktops
Mar 25 23:51:23 <torchie> I want webos on desktops
Mar 25 23:51:42 <thomaschaaf> not with a mouse though
Mar 25 23:51:48 <thomaschaaf> has to be touchscreen
Mar 25 23:51:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea
Mar 25 23:51:54 <thomaschaaf> else why bother?!
Mar 25 23:52:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> it sounds nice though
Mar 25 23:52:04 <thomaschaaf> I have air for that..
Mar 25 23:52:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow
Mar 25 23:52:31 <torchie> multitouch trackpad
Mar 25 23:52:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> like no new info tonight
Mar 25 23:52:34 <thomaschaaf> don't know if it can differentiate from air
Mar 25 23:52:38 <torchie> well hmm
Mar 25 23:52:44 <torchie> there would be some compatibility issues
Mar 25 23:52:53 <Tibfib> hahaah
Mar 25 23:53:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it ends.. :'(
Mar 25 23:53:02 <Tibfib> "busy doing it on windows"
Mar 25 23:53:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> friendbot
Mar 25 23:53:47 <thomaschaaf> wtf
Mar 25 23:54:00 <dohtem> that was fun.. not much news tho
Mar 25 23:54:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> SD Card ninjastar
Mar 25 23:54:18 <torchie> man
Mar 25 23:54:23 <torchie> doing it on windows just feels like
Mar 25 23:54:47 <Tibfib> what is this 8bit video thing?
Mar 25 23:54:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> idk lol
Mar 25 23:55:14 <torchie> you don't even know
Mar 25 23:55:16 <torchie> you're already dead.
Mar 25 23:55:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> ha ha ha ha ha h...
Mar 25 23:55:43 <Tibfib> lol
Mar 25 23:55:48 <torchie> wonder if HP's gonna make an android phone and "put webOS" on it
Mar 25 23:55:51 <thomaschaaf> turned it off can't stand the music
Mar 25 23:56:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> its over
Mar 25 23:56:10 <torchie> can't stand chiptunes what
Mar 25 23:57:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonders if he'll like XUbuntu
Mar 26 00:00:25 <patrickc-ubuntu> ahh now time to play with ubuntu
Mar 26 00:02:50 <patrickc-ubuntu> why is ubuntu so much better then windows?
Mar 26 00:03:50 <mgschu> faster, no bloatware, free
Mar 26 00:04:35 <patrickc-ubuntu> im talking for webos development
Mar 26 00:05:16 <mgschu> install ssh on your phone
Mar 26 00:05:28 <torchie> lol samsung
Mar 26 00:05:31 <mgschu> (from preware)
Mar 26 00:05:35 <torchie> "oh crap they made it thin"
Mar 26 00:07:01 <thomaschaaf> oh look 5 mails just got sent out by http://reviewtomail.com :) yey
Mar 26 00:10:55 <thomaschaaf> good night guys
Mar 26 00:11:21 <thomaschaaf> spread the word on reviewtomail :) precentral still hasn't posted -> won't post
Mar 26 00:11:21 <mgschu> goodnight
Mar 26 00:11:37 <patrickc-ubuntu> night
Mar 26 00:14:03 <Tibfib> I'm going to miss engadget with josh and nilay and paul
Mar 26 00:14:40 <torchie> yeah
Mar 26 00:14:43 <torchie> they were so awesome on the podcast
Mar 26 00:16:20 <patrickc-ubuntu> anyone on here run ubuntu in a vbox?
Mar 26 00:18:11 <torchie> I did for a bit
Mar 26 00:18:16 <torchie> 10.04 and crunchbang
Mar 26 00:18:30 <patrickc-ubuntu> well, it doesnt want to capture my pre..
Mar 26 00:18:41 <torchie> o
Mar 26 00:18:42 * torchie shrug
Mar 26 00:19:00 <NuttyBunny> patrickc: for doctoring?
Mar 26 00:19:08 <PatrickC> nope
Mar 26 00:19:12 <PatrickC> ssh'ing
Mar 26 00:19:26 <Tibfib> ...
Mar 26 00:19:37 <Tibfib> why do you need ubuntu for ssh'ing?
Mar 26 00:19:43 <NuttyBunny> mmm... dunno, maybe the nat..
Mar 26 00:19:46 <NuttyBunny> you can use putty
Mar 26 00:19:48 <NuttyBunny> bbl
Mar 26 00:19:49 <NuttyBunny> see ya
Mar 26 00:19:57 <NuttyBunny> got to change the car's flat tire :S
Mar 26 00:19:59 <PatrickC> once i learn how to on ubuntu, ill do it on windows
Mar 26 00:31:18 <madnificent> PatrickC: it's trivial on windows as well.  Putty is pretty straight-forward :)
Mar 26 00:32:41 <mgschu> and winscp
Mar 26 00:56:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> well..
Mar 26 00:56:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> ubuntu is confusing :p
Mar 26 01:04:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> it looks better then windows though ;)
Mar 26 01:18:08 <Tibfib> there sp1 installed
Mar 26 01:18:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Mar 26 01:18:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> xubuntu is installed here ;)
Mar 26 01:31:46 <patrickc-ubuntu> sugardave: ping
Mar 26 01:32:53 <PatrickC> https://github.com/patrickc14/CloudNav
Mar 26 01:33:01 <PatrickC> ^^ there it is :)
Mar 26 01:36:10 <RagingMind> PatrickC, I suggest not limiting the focus to sprint people on 2.1
Mar 26 01:36:29 <PatrickC> yea, i should probably update the readme
Mar 26 01:36:31 <RagingMind> lots of people will be interested in it cause most carrier ones require a subscription
Mar 26 01:37:08 <mgschu> PatrickC: Is it supposed to be a blank app?
Mar 26 01:37:13 <RagingMind> also mention what platform your aiming at (webOS) so that random people that find it have an idea of what system it's be useful on ;)
Mar 26 01:37:29 <patrickc-ubuntu> mgschu: as of now, yes
Mar 26 01:38:11 <mgschu> samefagging x 3 on irc? I like that
Mar 26 01:38:59 <PatrickC> what?
Mar 26 01:39:20 <PatrickC> RagingMind: updated the readme
Mar 26 01:39:43 <mgschu> PatrickC: more than one account going
Mar 26 01:39:48 <PatrickC> hehe
Mar 26 01:39:48 <RagingMind> awesome :)
Mar 26 01:39:51 <PatrickC> 3 :)
Mar 26 01:39:56 <mgschu> usually refers to someone pretending to be multiple people
Mar 26 01:40:07 <PatrickC> i have 3 accounts running right now
Mar 26 01:40:10 <PatrickC> my windows
Mar 26 01:40:12 <PatrickC> ubuntu
Mar 26 01:40:14 <PatrickC> and my pre2
Mar 26 01:40:20 <RagingMind> I hope that there was a typo, really not fond of that term as-is
Mar 26 01:40:29 <PatrickC> as-is?
Mar 26 01:41:41 <RagingMind> PatrickC, what mgschu said.  not your readme
Mar 26 01:41:48 <RagingMind> oops, should have been more clear :)
Mar 26 01:41:52 <PatrickC> ah ok
Mar 26 01:41:53 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 26 01:42:05 <mgschu> ahh. term I picked up on 4chan a long time ago
Mar 26 01:42:10 <PatrickC> anyone who wants to work on it, feel free :)
Mar 26 01:42:30 <mgschu> should remember to talk nicely
Mar 26 01:43:17 <PatrickC> hmm
Mar 26 01:43:29 <PatrickC> now i need to find my cygwin download so i can add ssh to it
Mar 26 01:43:46 <mgschu> just use putty
Mar 26 01:43:54 <PatrickC> for git
Mar 26 01:44:00 <PatrickC> not for actually sshing to my phone
Mar 26 01:44:07 <mgschu> ah
Mar 26 01:44:27 <mgschu> there's surely a nice windows front end for git?
Mar 26 01:46:12 <Tibfib> git gui
Mar 26 01:46:19 <Tibfib> git bash
Mar 26 01:46:32 <rwhitby> mgschu: google gitcast windows
Mar 26 01:47:01 <mgschu> I use qgit, but PatrickC might like that
Mar 26 02:05:17 <PatrickC> yay
Mar 26 02:05:32 <PatrickC> i got git working on my Windows machine!
Mar 26 02:05:51 <PatrickC> now i can do it without having to boot up my ubuntu
Mar 26 02:10:43 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 26 02:10:54 <PatrickC> i updated the git with my current files..
Mar 26 02:10:58 <PatrickC> that i cant get to work
Mar 26 02:11:06 <PatrickC> so, have fun all (if you want to :) )
Mar 26 02:11:08 <PatrickC> brb
Mar 26 02:12:13 <PatrickC> well, not brb yet
Mar 26 02:12:14 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 26 02:13:30 <rwhitby> PatrickC: have a look up the IRC backlog, and count the number of lines with your name on them that actually contain useful information, compared to the total number of lines.
Mar 26 02:14:13 <rwhitby> then consider what effect that would have on people's image of you if you did it in real life.
Mar 26 02:14:16 <PatrickC> ok, sorry rwhitby
Mar 26 02:14:33 <PatrickC> probably not the best image...
Mar 26 02:14:43 <rwhitby> don't apologise to me, it's yourself you are damaging, not me.
Mar 26 02:14:55 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 26 02:15:19 <rwhitby> imagine your future employer is reading this channel ...
Mar 26 02:16:22 * halfhalo has seen his employer on irc before, its not as far fetched as it sounds
Mar 26 02:16:45 * rwhitby is an employer, and regularly does google searches on candidates/
Mar 26 02:17:16 <PatrickC> well, am i a candidate :)
Mar 26 02:17:30 <halfhalo> heh,,, heheh...
Mar 26 02:17:33 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 26 02:17:58 <rwhitby> PatrickC: since my only impression of your abilities is your interactions on these channels, what would you think?
Mar 26 02:18:10 <PatrickC> probably......
Mar 26 02:18:11 <PatrickC> no
Mar 26 02:18:46 <rwhitby> you could obviously be the world's best developer. unfortunately, that's not the impression I would get.
Mar 26 02:19:01 <rwhitby> just food for thought.
Mar 26 02:19:03 <Tibfib> there: http://twitpic.com/4dbg1m
Mar 26 02:19:18 <PatrickC> well, ill try to change that
Mar 26 02:19:30 <PatrickC> and ill working becoming the worlds best developer :)
Mar 26 02:22:29 <destinal> rwhitby: what sucks when an employer google searches you is if you have a rare name but someone else with your name gets arrested for really evil stuff and goes to jail for years and it makes the news.   fortunately I don't think I've ever lost any jobs that way, but I'm glad that references to me are going up in page rank
Mar 26 02:23:08 <halfhalo> heh, I'm glad my real name is rare in google results, but my username is not.  Most results are for me, actually
Mar 26 02:23:54 <destinal> I don't think I've ever not been hired that way, rather.  but I'm always nervous about it
Mar 26 02:24:06 <Tibfib> halfhalo: heh same here
Mar 26 02:24:14 <rwhitby> well, you don't go on name alone
Mar 26 02:25:17 <destinal> rwhitby: I'm in a  relationship too but I hear people google each other prior to first dates these days, too.
Mar 26 02:25:37 <PatrickC> wow lol
Mar 26 02:26:16 <rwhitby> destinal: yep, I'd expect that
Mar 26 02:26:27 * halfhalo notes the first 4 google results are github for his username followed by... WOSI redmine?!? How did THAT happen
Mar 26 02:27:27 <destinal> heh
Mar 26 02:32:30 <Tibfib> second and third, not bad: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Tibfib
Mar 26 02:32:49 <Tibfib> actually maybe not
Mar 26 02:32:58 <Tibfib> that might be just on mine through the social media crap on google
Mar 26 02:33:10 <halfhalo> no, its there
Mar 26 02:33:20 <Tibfib> nice
Mar 26 02:33:25 <PatrickC> mine doesnt show anything... :(
Mar 26 02:34:38 <halfhalo> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=halfhalo everything but soudlick and redvsblue is me I think
Mar 26 02:34:39 <Tibfib> anyone see eagle eye?
Mar 26 02:42:49 * rwhitby cannot find a result that is not him
Mar 26 02:43:20 <halfhalo> nice
Mar 26 02:43:32 <Tibfib> impressive
Mar 26 02:43:45 * halfhalo notes most of his results are for open source stuff or online community stuff
Mar 26 02:45:21 <rwhitby> page 12 of the results. some guy from london
Mar 26 02:45:49 * halfhalo wants to go to london some day.... maybe in a year
Mar 26 02:45:56 <funkatron> no one would ever hire me based on my IRC chatter
Mar 26 02:46:03 <funkatron> if they value their business that is
Mar 26 02:46:06 <halfhalo> lol
Mar 26 02:46:11 <rwhitby> funkatron: ah, but you're good enough that you don't need to care
Mar 26 02:46:17 <funkatron> *flex*
Mar 26 02:46:22 <mgschu> Do employers really trawl irc logs?
Mar 26 02:46:39 <mgschu> Google I'm sure, but as deep as irc?
Mar 26 02:46:40 <funkatron> depends on the line of work
Mar 26 02:46:57 <rwhitby> if I was employing a community manager, I would.
Mar 26 02:46:58 <funkatron> I would.
Mar 26 02:47:24 <rwhitby> random coder, not so much.
Mar 26 02:47:28 <mgschu> I suppose this is completely disconnected from my 'work'
Mar 26 02:47:39 <rwhitby> nothing is disconnected
Mar 26 02:48:11 <funkatron> the types of stuff I do, you'd definitely get to know somebody on IRC
Mar 26 02:48:24 <funkatron> but you tend to hire out of the community
Mar 26 02:48:32 <mgschu> removed, if you will. by work I mean student. real world comes next year
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