**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 28 02:59:57 2011 Mar 28 03:04:38 Tibfib: could you tell me where outerList-item.html is used in your code? I looked at a couple assistants but still couldn't find it Mar 28 03:05:02 the path should be given Mar 28 03:05:26 it's either in app/views/list/ or app/views/view Mar 28 03:05:27 not sure Mar 28 03:07:04 I know where the html is, I just don't know in what assistant it is used Mar 28 03:08:10 Oh, I didn't know I could download the whole source, here we go Mar 28 03:10:03 go crazy Mar 28 03:11:18 hrm, it's not used anywhere Mar 28 03:15:23 Spanska ? Mar 28 03:15:31 outerList-item.html is in app/views/list Mar 28 03:16:09 yes, I'm searching for it's reference in the javascript part Mar 28 03:16:20 oh Mar 28 03:16:27 maybe not Mar 28 03:16:35 oh not it's not Mar 28 03:16:37 not anymore Mar 28 03:16:46 see artist-view-assistant.js Mar 28 03:17:02 view/list-item-album-info.html is what you want Mar 28 03:17:31 which needs to get moved to app/views/artist-view/ Mar 28 03:17:55 ok, I'm just trying to understand the code before I try anything in my app Mar 28 03:18:53 good luck with that! Mar 28 03:18:57 :) Mar 28 03:19:14 the key ingredient is "itemsProperty" for the inner list Mar 28 03:19:16 hehe I'm just wondering how I can make the filterList work for the inside list too Mar 28 03:19:21 oh. Mar 28 03:19:23 hmm Mar 28 03:19:35 and with the drawers Mar 28 03:20:14 well when you filter the outerlist you can loop thru the inner list items and push the ones you want Mar 28 03:20:21 goodnight everyone Mar 28 03:20:29 good night Tibfib Mar 28 04:08:13 Spanska: what kind of app are you working on? and I run 2.1 on my Pre+ and Pre-, they both run amazing Mar 28 04:55:07 Anyone listen to di.fm on a regular basis here? Mar 28 06:25:37 morning Mar 28 06:25:52 Yeah.. Mar 28 06:25:53 about that.. Mar 28 06:26:16 I never went to bed, just bug testin a app :D Mar 28 06:37:08 Hey, any javascript guru's in the house? Mar 28 06:38:11 no ;) Mar 28 06:38:36 you could just ask Mar 28 06:38:46 <--failure at js Mar 28 06:39:08 Good morning Mar 28 06:39:18 Hah, it's always a pleasure talking to you guys Mar 28 06:39:33 :-D Mar 28 06:39:34 Anywho, I'm having trouble accessing a variable thats used within a function Mar 28 06:39:52 outside the function? Mar 28 06:40:04 but declared inside the function? Mar 28 06:40:36 http://pastebin.com/bk70Xkvr Mar 28 06:40:52 basically i have the function hurp declared globally Mar 28 06:41:11 but that alert shows the variable as undefined Mar 28 06:41:30 whereas an alert inside the function shows the proper value Mar 28 06:41:56 so hurp is set outside the if? Mar 28 06:42:01 and what is it set to ? Mar 28 06:42:12 var hurp; ? Mar 28 06:42:18 correct Mar 28 06:42:31 try: var hurp = "hello"; Mar 28 06:42:50 tell me if the alert says "hello" or undefined Mar 28 06:43:01 it says hello Mar 28 06:43:17 Ahh Mar 28 06:43:18 xmlhttp.readyState==4 && xmlhttp.status==200 is not going anywhere Mar 28 06:43:28 Then you dont hit line 14 Mar 28 06:43:47 yer Mar 28 06:46:07 what do you mean by "it's not going anywhere?" Mar 28 06:46:23 = it will not be "true" Mar 28 06:46:39 you dont hit line 14 Mar 28 06:46:50 Fatbug: well, it's not "true" Mar 28 06:50:42 although shouldn't it be "true" if whenever I place an alert within that function, it displays the proper information Mar 28 06:51:59 because if it was false, nothing would happen, right? Mar 28 06:54:25 what does alert(xmlhttp.responseText); give? Mar 28 06:57:10 http://fatbug.com/hosted/stocks/ Mar 28 06:57:14 there have a looksee Mar 28 06:59:44 alert(xmlhttp.responseText); gives a blank response Mar 28 07:05:29 Fatbug: but... in that code... you're not getting to line 14... because you're defining a function on line 12, which ends in line 16, and doesn't get executed there :P Mar 28 07:06:41 It's 1am here, and I won't get anywhere with my code today, so, I'd better get some sleep and try again tomorrow. Mar 28 07:08:49 Fatbug: Maybe if you just comment lines 12 and 16 to test :) Mar 28 07:08:52 bye bye Mar 28 07:19:48 Fatbug: did you fix it? Mar 28 07:19:57 not quite Mar 28 07:20:16 playing around a bit more Mar 28 07:20:21 oki Mar 28 07:20:27 it should be simple Mar 28 07:21:13 right, but its delving a lot into some ajax Mar 28 07:21:38 basically I have an HTML local database with certain values Mar 28 07:22:14 I'd like it to take one of those values, pass it off to a php script, and have the php script send back modified data Mar 28 07:24:23 http://fatbug.com/hosted/stocks/ Mar 28 07:24:53 next to the "value" part it sends off data, and comes back as tru Mar 28 07:24:55 so that works Mar 28 07:25:10 but when I try and integrate it with the HTML5 database, it has trouble Mar 28 08:42:30 sugardave: ping ? Mar 28 09:03:58 Is it possible to use require() in webOS nodejs service? currently it says 'ReferenceError: require is not defined'. would appreciate any exapmles of its usage. Mar 28 09:09:27 did you check the developer.palm.com forum? Mar 28 09:10:25 also, this is a good read: http://jnewc.net/blog/?p=31 Mar 28 09:10:48 yeap, 0 Results for 'require' in developer.palm.com forum Mar 28 09:10:51 or http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=tree;f=node-service Mar 28 09:11:17 they need more documentation/tutorials on that Mar 28 09:11:34 plenty of examples in /usr/palm/services on the device ... Mar 28 09:11:42 UTLS Mar 28 09:11:45 oops, UTSL Mar 28 09:12:09 thanks for links! will look in there. Mar 28 12:31:20 hmm, still not able to include own modules to nodejs on webos. it keeps 'Error: Cannot find module 'circle.js' ' error using IMPORTS.require('./circles.js'). Mar 28 12:34:48 but there's /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.mypackage/.node_libraries shown in IMPORTS.require.paths. Mar 28 12:38:53 hmm Mar 28 12:40:13 just created the directory .node_libraries and put circles.js in there - IMPORTS.require('circles.js') works, but console.error( 'The area of a circle of radius 4 is ' + circle.area(4)); failed with 'TypeError: Cannot call method 'area' of undefined'. Mar 28 12:41:23 hmm, "You can load the built-in modules like http, but you can't (yet) load external modules. No timeline for support of external modules has been announced." Mar 28 12:41:28 (from the developer forum) Mar 28 12:43:21 my bad, changed variables names and now the following code: var circle = IMPORTS.require('circle.js'); console.error( 'Debug: The area of a circle of radius 4 is ' + circle.area(4)); gives no error and i'm able to observe logs: Debug: The area of a circle of radius 4 is 50.24 Mar 28 13:16:40 ok so since im hoping to have all my off days this week (mon,tue,wed) i think i may finishi this game that ive been procrastinating on for months Mar 28 13:22:44 yay Mar 28 13:37:04 how to store text inputs in it an display it in palm sdk app. Mar 28 13:38:32 learn how to be patient :) Mar 28 13:40:45 how to store text inputs in database in palm sdk app. Mar 28 13:41:17 and also to display it? Mar 28 13:41:38 LOL Mar 28 13:41:47 swisstomcat :D Mar 28 13:42:10 You want me to code it for you jatin or tell you where to look? Mar 28 13:42:32 hatever is convinient Mar 28 13:42:33 did you guys see the mysql.com sql injection attack thing? Mar 28 13:42:51 Anyone listen to di.fm radio on a regular basis? Mar 28 13:43:00 Klownicle: yer Mar 28 13:43:12 Wanna beta test a app :-D Mar 28 13:43:22 is it another listener? Mar 28 13:43:25 Knocks the socks off the current one in the app catalog :) Mar 28 13:43:32 jatin: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database Mar 28 13:43:46 swisstomcat!!! i was looking damn you Mar 28 13:43:48 hotdp, it has premium capabilities, favorites, and auto play. Mar 28 13:43:56 Least to start. Mar 28 13:44:07 uhh sounds nice i am primium Klownicle Mar 28 13:44:09 hotdp: hehe, i'm faster Mar 28 13:44:22 Then is that a yes :-D Mar 28 13:44:29 yer Mar 28 13:44:32 basically i am making an app where i have to store my details and to display it Mar 28 13:44:45 Can I pm you? Mar 28 13:44:52 look at the db link from swisstomcat. And the hello world app :D Mar 28 13:45:00 Klownicle: sure Mar 28 13:45:07 ok Mar 28 13:45:15 jatin: do you really need a database or just key/value stored? Mar 28 13:45:40 yes only the value Mar 28 13:46:05 i mean database (tables, relational stuff) or do you only need to store key/values Mar 28 13:46:37 i have to store in database... Mar 28 13:46:39 i guess Mar 28 13:46:41 use cookies jatin Mar 28 13:46:57 that is in the sample app. Mar 28 13:46:59 ? Mar 28 13:47:17 what data and how much do you need to store? Mar 28 13:47:23 http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie Jack87 Mar 28 13:47:28 jatin: even Mar 28 13:47:36 just my name age and class Mar 28 13:48:08 cookies then Mar 28 13:48:16 see hotdp's link Mar 28 13:49:00 ok but this i need to write in assistant func.. Mar 28 13:49:36 and how to display that data in a tabular manner Mar 28 13:49:45 ? Mar 28 13:49:57 is there a form where you ask for the data? Mar 28 13:50:40 no jst in a tabular manner... Mar 28 13:51:09 textfields inside a group maybe? Mar 28 13:51:19 yes Mar 28 13:51:30 i have 3 textfields Mar 28 13:51:35 in that app Mar 28 13:51:49 finally, seems it's possible to have nodejs modules within the app via .node_libraries, but having some stuff like node-mysql/persistancejs will be headache (it it possible at all). Mar 28 13:52:53 * sandrstar looks at the db link from swisstomcat and wondering aobut the reason webOS haven't implemented modules support for nodejs Mar 28 13:53:09 * swisstomcat wonders how that's related Mar 28 13:54:59 in which function. do i have to do write the code for cookie? Mar 28 13:55:32 swisstomcat: I need to store some data in bd and thought that having such db in nodejs service could be good idea from performance standpoint. However, see no way for such implementation :( Mar 28 13:55:42 oh, i see Mar 28 13:56:06 maybe the services should not store data itself? Mar 28 13:56:17 what does your service do? Mar 28 13:58:01 jsut store some account information, user has entered during first app launch. db8 looks not reliable for storing some critical application data Mar 28 13:58:43 couldn't that account info passed to the service by the app? Mar 28 13:58:48 be passed Mar 28 13:58:57 and stored somewhere by the app and not the service? Mar 28 13:59:02 right Mar 28 13:59:34 herp derp Mar 28 13:59:39 thanks for the +1 swisstomcat Mar 28 13:59:40 the only reason I've investigated possibility of servie implementation - performance Mar 28 14:00:02 funkatron: np .. i figure they're busy hashing out the details Mar 28 14:00:20 but i also hope for something liberal Mar 28 14:00:33 which would allow usage outside of the webos scope Mar 28 14:00:34 me too. I'm just trying to put a little pressure on; making it clear that this would be a dealbreaker for me. whether it is or others… I dunno. Mar 28 14:00:39 I would have to imagine so Mar 28 14:05:05 same with DB8 Mar 28 14:05:12 it was planned to be open-sourced Mar 28 14:05:16 nothing ever happened Mar 28 14:05:20 wish they had just used couch Mar 28 14:05:46 because now android+ios have couch and we're stuck on something similar Mar 28 14:11:45 swisstomcat: i have made three text inputs and now i need to store it and display it... Mar 28 14:12:19 i am a beginner and dont know much abt palm sdk... Mar 28 14:12:49 so please tell me what all to write in assistant func. n ol Mar 28 14:12:51 do you have a button to press when you want to store the values? Mar 28 14:13:17 no Mar 28 14:14:16 i would start with that .. it's easier that way .. the storing of the values can then start when you press that button (e.g save) Mar 28 14:14:30 k Mar 28 14:16:16 and that button coding is it in sample code ui widgets? Mar 28 14:16:37 i think so .. look at the hello world example Mar 28 14:16:37 or Mar 28 14:16:39 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk/ Mar 28 14:48:50 hi Mar 28 15:06:09 good morning Mar 28 15:06:37 'llo CTLAdvance Mar 28 15:07:05 Hello Mar 28 15:34:06 wahahahaha... 200ft of cat6 cable Mar 28 15:48:34 hrm, just had a realization that i probably shouldnt be drawing constantly since nothing is really going on until user input Mar 28 15:51:50 ahhhh Mar 28 15:51:53 cat is in attack mode!!! Mar 28 15:52:01 just jumped off the table onto my back Mar 28 15:52:05 ow Mar 28 15:52:11 now giving me the evil eye Mar 28 15:52:45 it wants food, and you may be it Mar 28 15:52:51 hes got my sleeve Mar 28 15:53:01 no hes got food and water Mar 28 15:53:10 dunno wtf he's up to Mar 28 15:53:48 with our cats, it means it's "snake time!" Get the shoelace and run around the house with it Mar 28 15:54:12 its time for me to wake up the dog :P Mar 28 15:54:17 haha Mar 28 15:54:27 whos under the desk apparently cat doesnt see her Mar 28 15:54:57 purty cool canvas game Mar 28 15:54:58 https://gaming.mozillalabs.com/games/169/sketchout Mar 28 15:55:42 hrm that reviews to mail doesnt see one of my apps as being valid.. Mar 28 16:17:01 hi chuqui Mar 28 16:17:17 so tempted to frankenpre my pre- after watching the vid Mar 28 16:17:28 my pre- screen crack has grown in the past few days Mar 28 16:17:30 I'm still holding out Mar 28 16:18:53 you holdout you... Mar 28 16:19:57 and my spacebar doesnt always work Mar 28 16:20:01 i gotta press it dead center Mar 28 16:20:26 isthe appcatalog repaired yet? Mar 28 16:22:32 dawm: you won't regret it Mar 28 16:22:59 unless you destroy one or both devices in the process Mar 28 16:23:01 what if i have to take it to a sprint store for repair? :P Mar 28 16:23:27 they will look at you funny Mar 28 16:24:13 and consider you a witch and attempt to burn you at the stake Mar 28 16:24:19 wish sprint would jsut offer the pre2.. Mar 28 16:24:27 take some ointment Mar 28 16:24:53 s/2/3 Mar 28 17:34:29 whats the short form for adding to a variable Mar 28 17:34:37 i know i can do x = x + b; Mar 28 17:34:41 is it += ? Mar 28 17:34:56 x+= Mar 28 17:35:04 thought so Mar 28 17:36:40 decided to take another stab at canvas Mar 28 17:36:52 writing my own sprite handlers Mar 28 17:56:17 anyone know if there's a way to size an image view to fit height or width constraints? so that if i tell it a width OR height it will scale the image appropriately? Mar 28 18:08:49 hi all Mar 28 18:09:20 * infiniteloop on irc via ssh port forwarding Mar 28 18:16:40 maik: that's commonly done through JS, google the details :) Mar 28 18:16:56 maik: AFAIK Mar 28 18:16:58 i've decided it doesn't bother me that much :) Mar 28 18:17:14 maik: :P even better@ Mar 28 18:17:18 s/@/! Mar 28 18:56:23 alright, phone call at 5:30 US Central Mar 28 18:56:39 from Palm? Mar 28 18:56:53 MetaView: yes :) Mar 28 18:57:07 cool, when is it? how long until? Mar 28 18:57:09 for a job? Mar 28 18:57:17 or related to something else? Mar 28 18:57:46 awesome sugardavej, good luck!:) Mar 28 18:58:06 5:30 today, scehduled for 30 minutes....hoping it's a "we really want you to do...." type of call and not another "this is what it is..." type of call Mar 28 18:58:10 solix: thanks Mar 28 18:58:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 *waves hi* Mar 28 18:58:28 that's my timezone, :) Mar 28 18:58:38 CST? Mar 28 18:58:38 solix: where are you? Mar 28 18:58:45 mn Mar 28 18:58:55 hay sugardave/solix Mar 28 18:58:57 solix: ah, lots o' lakes Mar 28 18:59:04 solix: in TX here Mar 28 18:59:10 summatusmentis: yes, a job, hopefully :) Mar 28 18:59:15 hey PatrickC_Pre2 howya? Mar 28 18:59:22 good Mar 28 18:59:26 sugardave: for ppl without knowledge of the US Central timezone, when is 5:30? Mar 28 18:59:29 sugardave: any word? Mar 28 18:59:33 PatrickC_Pre2: WHERES MY PRE2 Mar 28 18:59:37 evening Mar 28 18:59:41 sugardave: heh yeah, nice fishin :) Mar 28 18:59:45 n'abend Mar 28 18:59:47 MetaView: 5:30 should be 12:30 AM GMT right now, I think Mar 28 18:59:50 afternoon swisstomcat Mar 28 18:59:50 abend Mar 28 19:00:02 cwayne: in the mail? Mar 28 19:00:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks Mar 28 19:00:08 metaview: 3.5 hrs from now Mar 28 19:00:16 PatrickC_Pre2: got a phone call scheduled for 5:30, that's where it stands now Mar 28 19:00:23 solix: thx :) Mar 28 19:00:28 what time zone? Mar 28 19:00:33 np metaviw Mar 28 19:00:39 CDT Mar 28 19:00:44 cst PatrickC Mar 28 19:00:47 same here :) Mar 28 19:00:50 cool Mar 28 19:00:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes sugardave luck Mar 28 19:01:20 thanks :) Mar 28 19:01:21 erm, cst, cdt, CT works for me ;) Mar 28 19:01:30 it's one of those :) Mar 28 19:01:51 yeah:) Mar 28 19:02:01 lol Mar 28 19:02:10 I used to be EST/EDT Mar 28 19:02:26 chuqui: what's the state of the app catalog? still no sales since 5 days Mar 28 19:02:41 which I hardly believe... Mar 28 19:02:54 MetaView: just heard from engineering. they found the feed that was frozen and kicked it. Mar 28 19:03:03 MetaView: numbers should be returning to normal soon. Mar 28 19:03:21 sugardave: cool, cook luck Mar 28 19:03:35 afternoon chuqui Mar 28 19:03:37 chuqui: thx, for the info Mar 28 19:05:24 hey chuqui good to see you :) Mar 28 19:06:18 hey how Mar 28 19:06:42 it would hilarious if there was an actual kick involved Mar 28 19:07:10 percussive maintenance :) Mar 28 19:07:18 hm, if someone could fix the palm-launch tool Mar 28 19:07:31 thawap! otta there.. heh Mar 28 19:08:22 what's wrong with the palm-launch tool? Mar 28 19:10:23 palm-launch: multiple matches for "de.metaviewsoft.maptool" Mar 28 19:10:31 this is wrong Mar 28 19:10:40 or is it fixed and I missed some update? Mar 28 19:11:10 I don't use the palm-launch command a lot, so I was just wondering.. Mar 28 19:13:24 Komodo has it in the tools: package, upload, launch Mar 28 19:14:15 MetaView: if you do palm-launch "app.id" does it work? Mar 28 19:14:41 no Mar 28 19:14:48 bogus Mar 28 19:14:53 regexp fail Mar 28 19:15:01 not if you have another app on the device starting with the same app.id Mar 28 19:15:10 right Mar 28 19:15:35 sorry about that... I use straight CMD Mar 28 19:15:36 one of your first tasks when you start at palm :) Mar 28 19:15:43 haha Mar 28 19:15:48 PatrickC_Pre2: you use what? Mar 28 19:15:50 I can add it to the cause list Mar 28 19:15:51 s/CMD/CMD line tools/ Mar 28 19:16:08 I don't use an IDE Mar 28 19:16:11 PatrickC_Pre2: that's exactly the error on the command line Mar 28 19:16:18 just command line/text editor Mar 28 19:16:19 it doesn't matter what you use Mar 28 19:16:23 MetaView: he just doesn't use palm-launch Mar 28 19:16:28 well, I also don't use the palm-launch method Mar 28 19:16:47 make it faster Mar 28 19:16:50 +s Mar 28 19:16:51 I launch it manually on-device Mar 28 19:17:58 what's a good price for a pre battery? Mar 28 19:18:08 $4 + free shipping? Mar 28 19:18:53 woot Mar 28 19:18:57 sounds not tooo expensive, he? Mar 28 19:19:05 fixed my issue that i was having with canvas months ago Mar 28 19:19:22 sprite image src now changable on the fly ;D Mar 28 19:19:52 what's a good price metaview? $1? I'm buying one :) not selling Mar 28 19:20:03 what app dawm? Mar 28 19:20:12 one thats not released Mar 28 19:20:16 and that doesnt have a firm title Mar 28 19:20:26 what does it do? Mar 28 19:20:28 but you can search twitter for #ailium Mar 28 19:20:37 PatrickC_Pre2: for $4 I would rather throw the battery away instead of selling it to you Mar 28 19:20:48 nvm no you cant Mar 28 19:20:53 hah its that old since ive played with it Mar 28 19:21:09 metaview: on Amazon Mar 28 19:21:25 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Standard-Battery-Pixi-Pre/dp/B002CMITYI/ref=pd_bxgy_cps_text_c Mar 28 19:21:30 but what are you asking for at $4? Mar 28 19:21:59 everything less would be a gift, $10 more would still be cheaop Mar 28 19:22:12 http://twitter.com/#!/biocandy/status/10913105169096704 Mar 28 19:22:12 http://twitter.com/#!/biocandy/status/10597095450877952 Mar 28 19:22:28 sooo old Mar 28 19:22:50 and the onlything thats prevented me from continuing is i need to learn canvas and gameLoop()s Mar 28 19:23:03 metaview: the battery on amazon (see link) is $4.xx and free shipping.. I didn't know if that was expensive or not Mar 28 19:23:05 it works just fine with div's, just aint pretty Mar 28 19:23:15 what is it doing? then we could say, how lame... ;) Mar 28 19:24:07 dawm: what is ailium? Mar 28 19:24:14 ;X Mar 28 19:24:18 its another block game Mar 28 19:25:10 how lame! Mar 28 19:25:12 ;) Mar 28 19:25:18 hehe Mar 28 19:25:21 there isnt one like it in the appcatalog Mar 28 19:25:34 i know of 1 for PC, and i think theres one for iphone Mar 28 19:25:40 can we see screenshots? ;) Mar 28 19:25:50 there arent any? Mar 28 19:26:07 its hard to explain at the moment :P Mar 28 19:26:08 oh, its not to that stage yet.. Mar 28 19:26:17 lol Mar 28 19:26:21 cool, sales numbers are back, but now free downloads are stuck... Mar 28 19:26:43 wtf why cant i spell this word Mar 28 19:27:02 im not releasing any sshots until its further done to prevent theft :P Mar 28 19:27:12 man.. i couldnt for the life of me figure out how to spell releasing Mar 28 19:27:29 lol Mar 28 19:28:51 sugardave: starting to work at palm?! Mar 28 19:29:21 swisstomcat: if all goes well...still have some hurdles to jump :) Mar 28 19:29:22 I an never spell it :p Mar 28 19:29:41 sugardave: wow, cool .. in what area? Mar 28 19:30:03 swisstomcat: I want to be on the SWAT team, but also devrel engineer is good Mar 28 19:30:06 sugardave: will you then pay on your own for your travels? :p Mar 28 19:30:18 MetaView: haha, no, HP will ;) Mar 28 19:30:22 LOL Mar 28 19:30:29 that's a smart move :D Mar 28 19:30:29 http://www.st1ck3rs.com/webos/ Mar 28 19:31:09 sugardave: cool, good luck! Mar 28 19:31:22 thanks! Mar 28 19:32:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 hopes webOS will eventually support SVG Mar 28 19:38:14 * MetaView thinks about writing a stupid game with name 'angry nerds' Mar 28 19:38:42 yer good luck sugardave Mar 28 19:39:08 metaview: angry nerds/pigs Mar 28 19:42:40 13 v 12 Mar 28 19:43:45 hotdp: thanks! Mar 28 20:02:03 hrm Mar 28 20:02:09 why wont this var increase?... Mar 28 20:02:14 cur_speed++; should do it Mar 28 20:02:27 did you do "var cur_speed" earlier? Mar 28 20:02:34 indeed Mar 28 20:02:41 because that makes a local variable, it might not affect the global one you're keeping track of Mar 28 20:02:49 it increases from 0 to 1 like it supposed to Mar 28 20:02:55 it's Douglas Crockford smacking you Mar 28 20:02:57 the loop is running (got log output) Mar 28 20:03:06 he wants you to use cur_speed += 1; Mar 28 20:03:37 Javascript is a language where it only works by luck, not by the code you wrote Mar 28 20:03:53 dave that doesnt work either :P Mar 28 20:04:02 dawm: so then what's wrong if it goes from 0 to 1? Mar 28 20:04:04 hrmm... Mar 28 20:04:11 it needs to continue increasing heh Mar 28 20:04:22 it doesn#t go over 1? Mar 28 20:04:26 nope Mar 28 20:04:28 do you set it to 0 inside the loop? Mar 28 20:04:28 you're note doing something weird to reset it to 0? Mar 28 20:04:43 or do "var cur_speed" inside the loop? Mar 28 20:04:47 cur_speed = (cur_speed == 0); Mar 28 20:05:11 ugh? Mar 28 20:05:11 i got it now, dave nailed it Mar 28 20:05:16 MetaView: that will just toggle the var Mar 28 20:05:24 if (cur_speed == 5) { fjkdfjdkjfkd} else { cur_speed = 0; }... Mar 28 20:05:25 DOH Mar 28 20:05:32 oops :) Mar 28 20:05:35 not if you do a cur_speed++; afterwards Mar 28 20:05:39 i've made the same error before :) Mar 28 20:05:47 jslint is your friend Mar 28 20:06:28 how often does palm pay out on the app sales? Mar 28 20:06:37 once per month Mar 28 20:06:47 you need to be higher than 100$/€ Mar 28 20:06:49 is there a day? or a minimum? Mar 28 20:06:50 ah Mar 28 20:06:50 got it Mar 28 20:06:53 i'm at 88 Mar 28 20:06:54 lol Mar 28 20:06:54 around the 20th for the previous month Mar 28 20:07:09 and they distingued between € and $ sales Mar 28 20:07:12 now to try and shift this array data Mar 28 20:07:25 ya :( it'll be a few months for my crappy little app Mar 28 20:07:36 MetaView: what are ? sales? or are you just joking? Mar 28 20:07:43 i have 88 sales on my app Mar 28 20:08:16 https://skitch.com/ericberry/ran94/palm-application-submission-application-list Mar 28 20:09:03 fahhem: eh? Mar 28 20:09:34 you said "and they distingued between ? and $ sales" Mar 28 20:10:06 yes, you get european sales as € and american sales in $ and for each is 100 the lower limit Mar 28 20:10:20 if you are below 100 for €, you will not get them in the next month Mar 28 20:10:22 MetaView: orly? I didn't know that Mar 28 20:10:30 ohhh, ? means euros Mar 28 20:10:30 no worry Mar 28 20:10:31 I thought they would just add them together Mar 28 20:10:38 interesting Mar 28 20:10:39 ah, yes Mar 28 20:10:48 I thought you might use the same enconding as me Mar 28 20:11:00 no, you get 2 sales from Palm Mar 28 20:11:05 at least I get Mar 28 20:11:13 i thought there was a fraud-checking mechanism and ? were unconfirmed sales Mar 28 20:11:15 in some month, I only get 1, the $ one Mar 28 20:11:36 no, sorry, ? is € (EUR) Mar 28 20:11:39 I think I've only gotten 1 each time I get paid, but that may be because I don't have enough euro sales Mar 28 20:12:00 maybe it's different for US-based persons Mar 28 20:12:20 swisstomcat: how is it for you? Mar 28 20:12:24 omg.. its working Mar 28 20:12:34 woo! Mar 28 20:12:39 [facepalm] it works... Mar 28 20:12:46 sucks balls that im rewriting as i go to incorporate canvas Mar 28 20:12:57 stupid UX Mar 28 20:12:59 dawm: where is the beta? Mar 28 20:13:19 maybe tomorrow? Mar 28 20:13:28 im trying to dedicate the next 3 days to this Mar 28 20:13:32 i only got paid by palm europe once so far Mar 28 20:13:44 it has to be >100 euros or more than 6 months Mar 28 20:13:46 before they pay Mar 28 20:13:49 same for the US Mar 28 20:14:03 and right now its all chrome tested.. no mojo, so ill be rewriting it again Mar 28 20:14:53 i dont even know if 22x18 is a usable tap space Mar 28 20:15:24 hmmm Mar 28 20:15:38 minimums used to be 32x32 Mar 28 20:15:59 for guidelines, anyway Mar 28 20:16:02 yeah Mar 28 20:16:06 i mean usability wise Mar 28 20:16:12 32x32 .. ive gone less :P Mar 28 20:16:12 no clue :) Mar 28 20:16:54 hardest part is gonna be the block dropping code.. Mar 28 20:17:39 my old version just changes block colors, no animation what so ever Mar 28 20:17:43 that was easy ;p Mar 28 20:19:22 dawm: open beta or closed? Mar 28 20:19:57 ill hide it on the net somewhere, if you can find the ipk you can have it :P Mar 28 20:20:09 lol Mar 28 20:20:17 * PatrickC_Pre2 searches github for the source Mar 28 20:20:54 lol aint gonna be there Mar 28 20:21:23 app catalog still not fixed, Mar 28 20:21:29 it's more than a week Mar 28 20:21:40 it's fixed here Mar 28 20:21:43 1 hour ago Mar 28 20:21:55 but free app counts stuck today... Mar 28 20:22:02 let me check Mar 28 20:22:23 yes fixed Mar 28 20:23:13 seems like I am getting my $100 this month, Mar 28 20:23:21 133 sales so far Mar 28 20:23:42 congrats Mar 28 20:23:46 which appß Mar 28 20:23:59 http://www.precentral.net/Vaibhav%20Mishra Mar 28 20:24:14 although Money and Couch to 5k are only legit ones Mar 28 20:24:24 Oops, it looks like we've either misplaced the page you want, or haven't created it yet. Mar 28 20:24:42 scroll down Mar 28 20:24:52 they'll list the apps Mar 28 20:25:02 no, don't see it Mar 28 20:25:19 it appears as post Mar 28 20:25:36 after Search button Mar 28 20:25:46 and new in app catalog on 23 march Mar 28 20:26:08 here's the link http://www.precentral.net/money Mar 28 20:26:22 ah, ok Mar 28 20:27:06 I had 14 sales, on 25th seems like there was some problem with app catalog after that Mar 28 20:27:47 yes, the public feeds are broken too Mar 28 20:27:53 were Mar 28 20:28:08 so user's couldnot download the apps Mar 28 20:28:23 they could Mar 28 20:28:24 ? Mar 28 20:28:28 just the info wasn't updated Mar 28 20:28:54 seems strange, I had 14 sales in first 2 days and then no sale for 4 days Mar 28 20:29:05 maybe bad luck Mar 28 20:29:49 no, you had 14 for the first 2 days, then you have no infos about the sales inbetween Mar 28 20:30:01 today you see the sum of the last 4 days Mar 28 20:30:08 how does one add the button on the right side of the header pill ? Mar 28 20:30:20 webos101.com should have it Mar 28 20:30:28 will check , thnx Mar 28 20:32:11 it is still 14 Mar 28 20:32:32 [22:19] vaibhav: 133 sales so far Mar 28 20:32:46 in all apps Mar 28 20:32:49 ok Mar 28 20:33:12 I had today the missing sales from the last 5 days Mar 28 20:33:19 14 is only for Money app pulished on 21st Mar 28 20:33:24 sales aren't strong nowadays... a pity Mar 28 20:34:13 I left my job to go app development solo, currently evaluating various platform, certainly sales aren't good here but it's sustainable Mar 28 20:35:03 how are youre experiences in other platformsß Mar 28 20:35:17 I've had good success on the android platform, crap on iphone Mar 28 20:35:49 cavneb: did you code in java or javascript for android? Mar 28 20:36:00 PatrickC_Pre2: pure java Mar 28 20:36:13 did you use an IDE? Mar 28 20:36:19 ya.. eclipse Mar 28 20:36:33 can't do IPhone , no MAC and hackintosh is too buggy, can't sell on Android , so Palm is currently only option, apart from blackberry, Mar 28 20:36:33 my palm app was a clone of one of my android apps Mar 28 20:37:01 vaibhav: why no sell on android? Mar 28 20:37:25 ugh now to find which block is clicked.. calculating via x,y.. this will be fun Mar 28 20:37:29 Partrick_Pre2 I am from India, google doesn't allow it Mar 28 20:37:37 that stinks.. Mar 28 20:37:40 that's racist Mar 28 20:37:46 no it's not Mar 28 20:37:57 it's far from racist Mar 28 20:37:58 yeah i know, i just say that alot Mar 28 20:37:58 lol Mar 28 20:37:59 its country-ist Mar 28 20:38:16 lol Mar 28 20:38:28 usually when inappropriate Mar 28 20:38:51 cwayne: any more email back/sent? Mar 28 20:39:17 my country have weird financial rules, for instance if my app sales gave me revenue more than $500 , I can't receive via paypal in one transaction Mar 28 20:39:31 weird Mar 28 20:39:40 who's the main dev for Navit? Mar 28 20:39:49 noradtux? Mar 28 20:39:51 or hape Mar 28 20:40:09 PatrickC_Pre2: none Mar 28 20:40:40 14 sales in 8 days, maybe should try sex and poop apps, they sure boost numbers Mar 28 20:41:06 especially if you combine 'em Mar 28 20:41:12 thanks swisstomcat Mar 28 20:41:53 9 sales for an app released 3/23 Mar 28 20:42:24 35 sales for an app released 12/5 Mar 28 20:42:37 s/3/5/ Mar 28 20:42:40 PatrickC_Pre2: ya.. that's not nearly enough :( Mar 28 20:42:44 s/5/3/ Mar 28 20:42:46 lol Mar 28 20:43:11 but, I hear after 6 months, they pay.. I believe Mar 28 20:44:20 lol i have a total of 32 paid downloads Mar 28 20:45:41 best paid app has 390 sales Mar 28 20:45:46 best free app >100k downloads Mar 28 20:46:07 it can only go up with new customers Mar 28 20:46:17 swisstomcat: what apps? Mar 28 20:46:22 cwayne: what apps? Mar 28 20:46:29 my best free app >20k :/ Mar 28 20:46:38 patrickc: paid: animalmemory free: moo Mar 28 20:46:45 PatrickC_Pre2: shitty ones, ill just leave it at that Mar 28 20:46:45 lol Mar 28 20:46:53 my best free 17k Mar 28 20:47:21 total 53 paid downloads Mar 28 20:47:46 hmm, moo has only 83k downloads (unique) Mar 28 20:47:56 swisstomcat that's about how my primary android app is.. 300+ sales Mar 28 20:48:06 in what timeframe? Mar 28 20:48:17 december I believe Mar 28 20:48:19 2010 Mar 28 20:48:27 i get about 5 sales a day Mar 28 20:48:29 $1.99 each Mar 28 20:48:36 4-5 sales Mar 28 20:54:13 i hate math Mar 28 20:55:00 i was told there would be no math Mar 28 20:57:38 g'night Mar 28 21:08:48 this sucks Mar 28 21:09:08 why did i have to make 0,0 the bottom left corner Mar 28 21:09:23 night everyone Mar 28 21:09:35 i cant for the life of me convert a calculation to switch from top left to bottom left Mar 28 21:36:19 so close Mar 28 21:36:22 im -1 off now Mar 28 21:36:42 woot Mar 28 21:37:06 yay Mar 28 21:37:18 var hitCol = Math.floor( (x-gridOffset.x-gridPadding) / blockSize.w ); Mar 28 21:37:18 var hitRow = Math.floor( gridSize.h+gridPadding-((y-gridOffset.y) / blockSize.h) ); Mar 28 21:37:22 soo confusing! Mar 28 21:37:27 so, its working? Mar 28 21:37:30 yeah Mar 28 21:37:37 awesome!!! Mar 28 21:37:46 * PatrickC_Pre2 joins dawm's beta party Mar 28 21:37:52 yeah i got x,y to be 0,0 when its bottom left Mar 28 21:37:55 instead of top left Mar 28 21:38:10 now i can determine what block is clicked Mar 28 21:38:15 pixel to my array Mar 28 21:38:42 i dont know how the math works, but it does ;P Mar 28 21:39:14 lol Mar 28 21:39:36 http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html Mar 28 21:39:42 ^^ sooooooo excited!! Mar 28 21:40:16 im watching harry potter on mine Mar 28 21:40:37 on your what? Mar 28 21:40:40 touchpad Mar 28 21:40:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals dawm's touchpad Mar 28 21:41:02 just scroll down Mar 28 21:41:09 and tap the big triangle Mar 28 21:41:16 you can watch the trailer on your own touchpad Mar 28 21:41:25 hey, the downloads got updated Mar 28 21:41:32 they did Mar 28 21:42:00 dawm: not a harry potter fan, but that's cool :) Mar 28 21:42:14 hrm Mar 28 21:42:19 you physically have to tap the devices? Mar 28 21:42:34 on the app? Mar 28 21:42:39 theres a last.fm app? Mar 28 21:43:04 i tried to get approval from them to make one and they turned me down saying it wasnt a worthwild platform Mar 28 21:43:11 Tibfib: in the developer dashboard? Mar 28 21:43:23 yeah Mar 28 21:43:33 wait Mar 28 21:43:40 10. Voice service requires separately purchased service contract. Availability may vary by carrier. Mar 28 21:43:54 11. Pre3 and TouchPad must have same HP webOS account. Mar 28 21:43:58 so you can share profiles Mar 28 21:44:13 dawm: Nice! Mar 28 21:44:30 Receive text messages and answer phone calls on your TouchPad so you don’t miss a thing.9,10,11 Mar 28 21:44:37 thats where the voice thing comes in (10) Mar 28 21:45:00 where does 11 come in? Mar 28 21:45:01 so ill assume they mean you have to have a working pre contract in order to use the touchpad Mar 28 21:45:10 same part Mar 28 21:45:16 about tapping devices Mar 28 21:45:24 hmm, I wonder why Mar 28 21:45:27 that's weird Mar 28 21:45:34 The next generation of Touchstone technology makes HP devices work better together. Easily share a URL with your Pre3 simply by tapping them together.2,8 Receive text messages and answer phone calls on your TouchPad so you don’t miss a thing.9,10,11 Start reading a website or blog on a TouchPad and then tap your smartphone to take it to go.2,8 We’re building more connected devices so you can have a more connected experience. Mar 28 21:45:47 oh that's fine Mar 28 21:45:55 I hope tap to share isn't same profile only Mar 28 21:45:56 so the touchpad has to share the same profile as the phone you're sending txt,voice to Mar 28 21:46:03 that's fine! Mar 28 21:46:14 as long as I can put more than one device on my profile Mar 28 21:46:18 hmm. Mar 28 21:46:43 to share a URL with a Pre3 Mar 28 21:46:45 2. Within wireless coverage area only. Actual speeds may vary. Email, mobile number, and related information required for setup and activation. Required data services sold separately; unlimited plan recommended and may be required. Not all web content may be available.2. Within wireless coverage area only. Actual speeds may vary. Email, mobile number, and related information required for setup and activation. Required data services sold sepa Mar 28 21:46:46 rately; unlimited plan recommended and may be required. Not all web content may be available. Mar 28 21:46:49 oops Mar 28 21:46:52 read that once :P Mar 28 21:47:05 8. Requires HP TouchPad with webOS 3.0 and Pre3 or Veer with webOS 2.2 or higher, both products having the same HP webOS account. Viewing URL web page content requires data connection via Wi-Fi or cellular connection. Mar 28 21:47:13 2.2? Mar 28 21:47:28 pre3 will launch with 2.2 apparently Mar 28 21:47:35 and veer will get 2.2 via ota update Mar 28 21:47:49 i like that you can share profiles Mar 28 21:47:54 i wouldnt wanna buy apps twice Mar 28 21:48:07 yeah Mar 28 21:51:21 I bet there'll be touchstone optimized versions labeled "HD" so you'll have to pony up for that Mar 28 21:51:36 err, Touchpad Mar 28 21:52:47 yeah. Mar 28 21:52:50 first one wasn't cheap Mar 28 21:54:22 * dohtem hurries and makes "Flashlight HD" for $4.99 Mar 28 21:54:43 TouchPad2: now with HD rear-facing camera, Retna Display (don't know if current has it), webOS 3.3, and a free Pre4 Mar 28 21:54:55 Yule Log HD has been delayed, but you bet your ass it will be forthcoming for holiday season 2011 Mar 28 21:55:03 Only $899! Mar 28 21:55:17 sugardave: heheh Mar 28 21:55:41 sugardave: score Mar 28 21:55:42 (Pre4 is available only while supplies last. Only the first 600 customers get the free Pre4) Mar 28 21:56:12 ooh, "Aquarium HD" Mar 28 21:56:42 people take the same app (or just a little different) add "HD" and charge... Mar 28 21:56:48 brilliant!!!!! lol Mar 28 22:03:12 appible HD Mar 28 22:03:25 oh no Mar 28 22:03:44 no.. no.. anything but that!!! Mar 28 22:04:12 Angry Birds HD - only $4.99 Mar 28 22:04:15 it was all fun and games till Loudergood showed up ;) Mar 28 22:04:28 haha Mar 28 22:04:36 lol Mar 28 22:05:21 howdy! Mar 28 22:05:37 hay ajay Mar 28 22:06:11 SineOt: you around? Mar 28 22:06:21 freaking sweet.. my own sprite thingie works ;D Mar 28 22:06:27 ajay: yeah Mar 28 22:06:30 PatrickC_Pre2: hey patrick! oh did you change usernames?? does that mean you've got a new phone? Mar 28 22:06:30 sup? Mar 28 22:06:30 if i tap a block it changes state ;D Mar 28 22:06:46 before when i'd tap a block all other blocks that had the same sprite changed.. not good :P Mar 28 22:06:58 ajay: yep :) Mar 28 22:07:37 SineOt: I briefly saw+talked to lisa last weekend about meetup, btw! she said its in her court, so.. Mar 28 22:07:46 oh! cool :D Mar 28 22:07:47 hah i think my dev pixi is broke Mar 28 22:07:55 its plugged in and pwoered on, but keeps turning off Mar 28 22:07:59 dawm: ohno Mar 28 22:08:01 SineOt: did you get my msg on the dev forum? Mar 28 22:08:38 Poossssibly? let me check Mar 28 22:09:01 hey folks Mar 28 22:09:01 ! Mar 28 22:09:11 ka6sox here? Mar 28 22:09:19 oh away, ok.. :) Mar 28 22:13:20 is it me or is this website not worth $4k for the developer? http://milpitascbc.wordpress.com/ Mar 28 22:15:01 $4k? Mar 28 22:15:16 PatrickC_Pre2: Yeah, how much do you think someone would deserve for developing that website? Mar 28 22:15:36 I've offerred to do websites for $300 before, and i'm wondering if i've been swindling myself Mar 28 22:15:43 $200-$300 Mar 28 22:15:51 man if you can get someone to pay 4K for a wordpress site then more power to you Mar 28 22:16:08 SineOt: more power to the guy that did it! haha.. Mar 28 22:16:30 wow... just wow.. Mar 28 22:16:32 but that's bad for the group, i wish i was around for this, i would have happily done it for a fraction of that! heh.. Mar 28 22:16:46 I could have created that site.. and that's sayin somethin! lol Mar 28 22:16:47 or.. non-heh actually Mar 28 22:16:58 ajay: a good test, really, is to figure out the length of time it'd take you to do it, and calculate out what you'd make if you got paid minimum wage to do it Mar 28 22:17:01 i mean.. it's not a bad site.. Mar 28 22:17:29 he just set up a wordpress site Mar 28 22:17:43 its a wordpress.com site... Mar 28 22:17:47 5 min, its up Mar 28 22:17:53 yeah.. that's true..maybe it is a bad site.. :) Mar 28 22:18:03 it's a good site Mar 28 22:18:07 He couldn't even setup a form to take petition signatures.. Mar 28 22:18:19 but it's only good because it's 1) hosted on wordpress and 2) using a theme that wordpress paid someone a lot to design Mar 28 22:18:45 it didn't take 4k in effort to set up Mar 28 22:18:47 SineOt: yeah, i was meaning that it's bad because he didn't have to do anything Mar 28 22:18:55 I hope i was wrong about that number! Mar 28 22:19:07 but if the 4k includes like, management and content creation/curation then that's a lot more doable Mar 28 22:19:10 i'm going to get the invoice now.. Mar 28 22:19:19 If he found someone to pay that much, I cant be mad at him. Mar 28 22:19:21 I'm inclined to think it includes content/management stuff Mar 28 22:19:21 SineOt: Yeah i'm hoping it does/did.. Mar 28 22:19:31 yeah, really, dohtem Mar 28 22:19:37 dohtem: unless you were part of the group that paid him and you didn't know! :) Mar 28 22:19:39 ajay: how can you get the invoice? Mar 28 22:19:40 I just want to ask how he found someone like that :p Mar 28 22:19:54 that's 15 minutes of work (not including the content) Mar 28 22:20:23 I'm guessing he did the content, but not sure how much work that took him. Mar 28 22:20:29 PatrickC_Pre2: I'm part of the group Mar 28 22:21:12 so, you got paid? or you are part of the site? Mar 28 22:21:55 PatrickC_Pre2: i'm part of the org. Mar 28 22:22:12 ah ok Mar 28 22:22:13 i didn't get paid. I didn't even know anyone was getting paid, otherwise i would have gotten in on the action. Mar 28 22:22:23 haha Mar 28 22:22:29 I was missing most of the mtgs around the time this was done Mar 28 22:22:29 I would have too ;) Mar 28 22:22:30 hehe, government contracts. Mar 28 22:23:08 not government, just a group of citizens finding a local walmart expansion. how they fundraised that much to pay for that.. shocking.. (wasteful, unless they can do such things again/more) Mar 28 22:23:14 s/finding/fighting Mar 28 22:24:23 oh, my bad Mar 28 22:24:34 np Mar 28 22:24:42 anybody here in the bay area? Mar 28 22:24:52 Sacto :) Mar 28 22:25:02 or anybody here with a Verizon Pre2? (even frankenpre2) Mar 28 22:25:38 oh, the reason i asked about that website btw, was because 1) i was wondering how much one could ask for to develop a webOS app for someone Mar 28 22:25:54 and 2) because i created a joomla site for a campus club, an they're balking now to pay me $300. Mar 28 22:25:56 walmart here filled in wetlands to build, and then again to expand Mar 28 22:26:37 and walmart just south of my hometown found a way to demolish a historic building to make room for their parking lot entrance Mar 28 22:26:42 RagingMind: I don't know how they get past the environmental laws, or other issues they cause. ich Mar 28 22:26:51 you don't? Mar 28 22:26:54 it's called money Mar 28 22:26:56 Lobbyists + money Mar 28 22:26:59 s/ich/maybe surprising+disgusting,maybe not/ Mar 28 22:27:04 teh dollars Mar 28 22:27:15 there's no point to having regulations if money allows them to be flaunted Mar 28 22:27:25 it's a good thing Wal-Mart only buys/sells American made...oh wait, not anymore! Mar 28 22:27:45 everyone hates walmart, and everyone shops at walmart Mar 28 22:27:54 ajay: the point is so that politicians can say "see, I passed tougher regulations, vote for me!" Mar 28 22:27:56 234 Mar 28 22:27:57 not me Mar 28 22:28:15 Tibfib: But where else can I get a 35lb tub of mayonnaise for $3.99?! Mar 28 22:28:24 I hate Walmart and have never once stepped into one! Mar 28 22:28:31 sugardave: I don't know about all that! Mar 28 22:28:43 I do Mar 28 22:28:44 ajay: im not in the bay area but im in sacramento Mar 28 22:29:29 SineOt, I stopped shopping there years ago Mar 28 22:29:57 the one here also put the local camera shop out of business rather ruthlessly Mar 28 22:30:04 heeh. well I guess developers are exceeptions :) Mar 28 22:30:39 I avoid walmart like the plague. I think the last time I went there was to get my PS3 on launch day. Mar 28 22:30:42 anyone know what CCP is here? http://twitter.com/#!/techjunky79/status/52493656736792577 Mar 28 22:30:52 how about an app that for any given area lists everything except walmart? Mar 28 22:31:27 Tibfib: no idea...cut/copy/paste? Mar 28 22:31:34 ^ Mar 28 22:31:34 there we go Mar 28 22:31:39 thanks sugardave Mar 28 22:31:48 Costco is better for console purchases like that :p Mar 28 22:31:53 I was looking for bay area folks for a number of reasons.. Mar 28 22:32:01 but seeing that there's 2 sac folks here, i have a question-- Mar 28 22:32:06 RagingMind: that's a great app idea Mar 28 22:32:16 joeb/dohtem: have you guys thought of having Sac webOS meetups? Mar 28 22:32:25 360 Mar 28 22:32:26 joeb_: you're in Sac? Mar 28 22:32:35 even cooler if it let you look up which competitors carry what product you're looking for Mar 28 22:33:15 SineOt: Target's the shizznit! Mar 28 22:34:01 Target is pretty cool, but Costco still beats a looooot of oddball purchases :p Mar 28 22:34:06 like liquor c_c Mar 28 22:34:25 And gas. Mar 28 22:34:43 no costco here locally Mar 28 22:34:46 * dohtem likes the costco chicken bake Mar 28 22:34:46 or sam's club Mar 28 22:35:13 haha, I'm 45 minutes from walmart, and none of its competitors are closer Mar 28 22:35:16 Sam's Club is basically Walmart's attempt to be Costco Mar 28 22:35:19 I get to pick from wally world or ShopKo Mar 28 22:36:07 of course it takes walmart 15 years to build a store in this state Mar 28 22:37:35 Rhode Island? Mar 28 22:37:48 Vermont Mar 28 22:37:56 woot.. on a roll!! Mar 28 22:38:01 oh right, I shuld have remembered that Mar 28 22:38:03 board compacting works Mar 28 22:38:29 best part about building in the browser(chrome) is the console :P Mar 28 22:38:39 no need to make a stupid button to call a func Mar 28 22:41:55 joeb/dohtem: well i'm working to get webOS meetups going again in the bay area* (long story), but if you guys are interested in doing something in sacramento i'd love to be in the loop! Mar 28 22:42:26 dawm: yes :) Mar 28 22:42:45 isn't the chrome thing hush hush Mar 28 22:43:10 dohtem, you mean host mode? Mar 28 22:43:14 im not even doing that Mar 28 22:43:27 just developing straight html/css/jscript in the browser Mar 28 22:43:28 way faster Mar 28 22:43:41 ill convert over to mojo once im happy Mar 28 22:46:49 dohtem: what are your initial thoughts of getting a palm/webOS meetup goin in the sac area? Mar 28 22:47:56 tbh, I wont have the time to help set it up myself and I dunno if there's much interest but I'm game if someone wants to set one up Mar 28 22:48:04 whats perfered? var x = Array(); or var x = new Array(); Mar 28 22:50:26 howdy folks Mar 28 22:51:52 anybody know if there are any differences in the CDMA and GSM Pre2's other than the comm board? Mar 28 22:52:21 I wanted to frankenpre and am wondering if it matters at all which i get.. Mar 28 22:53:49 dawm: I do x = []; Mar 28 22:54:26 how does that work for preallocation? Mar 28 22:54:32 var x = Array(12); Mar 28 22:54:58 im just looking at some of my old code wondering why i was using var x = new Array(); Mar 28 22:57:22 dawm: never preallocated before Mar 28 22:59:13 * Tibfib is learning perl Mar 28 23:02:45 sweet Mar 28 23:02:54 got highlight on click (for valid moves) Mar 28 23:02:59 is there a mouse out event? Mar 28 23:03:19 anywho better get ready for web2.0 conf.. ttfn! Mar 28 23:10:21 are we able to upload 2.0 apps yet? Mar 28 23:12:25 yes Mar 28 23:12:37 and able to restrict to 2.0 devices Mar 28 23:13:35 dawm ok thanks Mar 28 23:25:19 help all if you don't mind Mar 28 23:25:23 im taking my pre plus back Mar 28 23:25:28 i tried to wipe it with 1.4.5 meta-doctor .. it looks fine but when i reboot it had #webos-internals logo lmao Mar 28 23:25:32 should i just re-doctor back and go to device info from there ? Mar 28 23:33:59 palmos isn't really all that bad Mar 28 23:34:05 its faster than webos Mar 28 23:35:14 still cant figure out how to exit apps tho Mar 28 23:37:35 lol Mar 28 23:39:59 and clicking peices now removes pieces ;D Mar 28 23:41:29 its officially playable in canvas Mar 28 23:44:15 crap i know i modified this bit on the laptop, but i forgot to push the changes.. ugh Mar 28 23:45:03 dang perl's addition with strings is smart Mar 28 23:45:18 + adds values Mar 28 23:45:22 . concats values Mar 29 00:01:40 yeah PHP is the same, took me awhile to get used to javascript after using PHP for so long Mar 29 00:03:24 using python hurts after using perl Mar 29 00:03:47 of course figuring out what's going on with python is usually a lot easier Mar 29 00:03:49 every language hurts after using lisp Mar 29 00:04:48 doh.. looks like popcap has a game similar to mine.. looks like this will be my 2nd popcap clone :P Mar 29 00:06:04 to be fair a lot of the popcap games are clones anyway Mar 29 00:09:59 what do PHP/Perl do with string + string? Mar 29 00:10:15 with PHP I only know . Mar 29 00:10:26 I don't know Perl at all Mar 29 00:11:29 perl rocks Mar 29 00:11:56 perl is duct tape Mar 29 00:12:06 I'm liking it so far Mar 29 00:12:18 and a swiss army knife, in one package Mar 29 00:12:23 hmm, that is high praise Mar 29 00:12:26 sorry to intervine, but does anyone know how to exit apps in Palm OS? Mar 29 00:12:27 * rwhitby once led a project that wrote about 40K lines of perl Mar 29 00:12:27 * madnificent tries very hard to shut up Mar 29 00:12:38 grizzler: hit the home button? Mar 29 00:12:48 Palm OS? Mar 29 00:12:53 of course perl is also very easy to write confusing code in Mar 29 00:13:02 Palm OS Mar 29 00:13:27 oh yeah, the home button is the center one? I haven't used my Treo in a long time Mar 29 00:13:34 Loudergood: like most tools, you can be a craftsman or an amateur when using Perl. Mar 29 00:13:42 the one with the house on it Mar 29 00:13:44 now I remember Mar 29 00:14:56 when i press the home button, the app gets sent to the background.. Mar 29 00:14:58 rwhitby: that's the same argument that gave C (and C++) its years of pointer-insanity Mar 29 00:14:59 heh. perl's else if is spelled "elsif" Mar 29 00:15:15 Tibfib: and it's so broken that you can't redefine it Mar 29 00:15:20 Tibfib: as are most other languages Mar 29 00:15:24 if you hold the home button, you can see a popup menu with apps running in the background Mar 29 00:17:45 madnificent: and the counter argument gave us g_get_file_contents which people use to search for a specific line in a 10MB file Mar 29 00:18:19 rwhitby: sorry, what? Mar 29 00:18:27 (i.e. wrap all the "dangerous" things to the point where no-one does anything efficiently any more) Mar 29 00:19:08 rwhitby: lisp has had nice solutions for both efficiency and beauty for over a 4 decades. People shouldn't be so retarded Mar 29 00:19:33 madnificent: yep, I wrote a vhdl-mode in Emacs Lisp back in '90 Mar 29 00:19:50 but my parentheses keys finally gave out Mar 29 00:19:53 emacs lisp is hardly a pretty lisp, but at least it's a lisp Mar 29 00:20:04 ah, so if I had made myself learn sed/awk, I'd be ahead of the game in Perl Mar 29 00:20:10 * halfhalo takes all parens and shoves them into the blender Mar 29 00:20:34 Instead of learning a nice language we choose to learn completely insane structures to write code in, with all kinds of silly code-delimiters. To head back to lisp and say "But it looks so funny". Mar 29 00:20:47 * halfhalo has been scarred for life due to a school lisp coding project Mar 29 00:21:01 hearing people complain about vastly inferior languages hurts a bit Mar 29 00:21:08 * rwhitby considers all languages to be just tools, to be used at the appropriate times. Mar 29 00:21:26 rwhitby: in that case, you haven't seen what lisp can be :( Mar 29 00:21:44 * madnificent gives up this senseles argument, sigh Mar 29 00:22:14 madnificent: oh, I've done symbolic programming in lisp too, for IC design back in '89 Mar 29 00:22:38 * halfhalo takes solace in his high-level web languages Mar 29 00:22:53 but yes, I've not done any 100K line programs in Lisp, so probably don't appreciate it's full beauty. Mar 29 00:23:59 rwhitby: you can mold it to anything you like. If we'd have sticked to the generic sense of programming and would have optimized it for various tasks, we'd have to learn vastly less in order to achieve our programming tasks Mar 29 00:24:40 rwhitby: and all of it would have been able to work together... but apparently we preferred to create a big mess Mar 29 00:26:24 sounds like a great utopia to me ;) Mar 29 00:26:52 :] Mar 29 00:34:24 * Tibfib never knew the irc replace s/bar/foo/ was from Perl (other languages ?) Mar 29 00:37:10 the whole bot is probably written in perl Mar 29 00:38:09 ah, good point Mar 29 00:39:43 Tibfib: perl got that from sed Mar 29 00:40:15 interesting Mar 29 01:06:50 anyone use some sort of file picker before? Mar 29 01:08:42 want user to take pic, then they can up load it to cloud, what do you all recommend? Mar 29 01:09:31 I use Spaz and twitpic Mar 29 01:10:52 oh so you mean just have the user use there spaz or twitpic account image? Mar 29 01:11:12 rwhitby: that is a great idea =) Mar 29 01:13:05 that way i do not need to worry about overloading my servers with large to small image conversions... thanks! Mar 29 01:18:37 rwhitby: you allow users to upload a file from their phone to their twitpic account? Mar 29 01:24:15 anyone have a GSM pixi ? Mar 29 01:24:23 or pre Mar 29 01:24:43 I've got a GSM Pre+ and Pre2 Mar 29 01:25:01 I've got a gsm pre2... no working sim though Mar 29 01:25:01 is the SIM slot on the comm board? Mar 29 01:26:24 I do believe that it is Mar 29 01:27:05 awesome Mar 29 01:27:39 i'm thinking of putting my sprint comm board into an ATT one just for kicks and giggles Mar 29 01:29:38 there's an antenna issue there somewhere Mar 29 01:57:13 sugardave: ping Mar 29 01:57:32 haeffb: what's up? Mar 29 01:58:03 -----> Mar 29 01:58:14 <----- Mar 29 02:04:12 wassup, Tibfib ? Mar 29 02:04:30 I am looking for a new basketball coach. Anyone got a spare? Mar 29 02:04:43 nothing.. didn't want to leave your arrow hanging Mar 29 02:05:10 haeffb: my dad likes to shout from the couch, will he do? Mar 29 02:09:24 depends. Does he shout "bad call" and "bs!" Mar 29 02:09:39 cause that's what I really need. Mar 29 02:10:36 usually "oh come on", "why would you do that?" Mar 29 02:26:56 ugh.. coming up empty on graphics tonite.. Mar 29 02:27:04 so much for that 'on a roll' Mar 29 02:28:12 * RagingMind is playing with xeyes on his phone Mar 29 02:31:40 evening folks Mar 29 02:43:31 has anyone played with any of this remote printing stuff (hp eprint, google cloud print etc) and is there really any point to it all? Mar 29 02:44:20 the HP ads show printing stuff from a tropical island, etc, but if someone doesn't know to expect the document, I don't get the feeling that they'll know it's there Mar 29 02:44:39 lol Mar 29 02:44:41 isn't that what email is for? :P Mar 29 02:44:42 so if you have to email them to check the printer, why not just email them the doc? Mar 29 02:44:47 I've used remote printing a TON Mar 29 02:44:51 but not for stuff like that Mar 29 02:44:52 lol Mar 29 02:45:06 I would use it from my pre Mar 29 02:45:22 so I don't have to use my laptop to connect to my printer to print it Mar 29 02:46:08 Yeah basically Mar 29 02:46:27 the more places you can print from the less of a pain in the ass to print something you need Mar 29 02:46:34 yeah, I think the real application for this is printing stuff to your own printers for yourself to pick up, not the fax-like uses they seem to show (since nobody usually treats a printer like a fax and checks it, it doesn't get your attention etc) Mar 29 02:46:48 yeah Mar 29 02:47:01 I don't know our laser sounds like a jet when it spools up so at least THAT would get your attention :P Mar 29 02:47:12 WwwwrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Mar 29 02:47:15 heheh Mar 29 02:48:45 plus, whatever happened to standards? it seems like back in the day we had usenet, http, lp for printing, etc so that things could interoperate. these days we've got web apps like facebook, twitter, etc and we have to suffer through that vendor's api and we have HP eprint and google cloud print and who knows what else, why not an RFC and a common standard? Mar 29 02:48:59 is deliberately avoiding compatibility a marketable feature now? Mar 29 02:49:01 destinal: or Print2Grandma Mar 29 02:49:09 lol Mar 29 02:49:24 destinal: that's microsoft's business model in a nutshell Mar 29 02:52:14 Is there a Mojo api to read and write files? Mar 29 02:53:00 no. but you can use node.js Mar 29 02:54:44 Tibfib: That's probably overkill for this. I'd like to provide some initial JSON data in case the user can't connect to the network when the application starts. Is there a way to pre-populate Mojo.Depot? Mar 29 02:55:20 donc: nope :( Mar 29 02:55:33 I think you can just include a .json file and ajax.request the file Mar 29 02:55:39 you can easily do that with an include in sources.json Mar 29 02:55:48 or that Mar 29 02:55:48 hah Mar 29 02:56:04 that makes perfect sense Mar 29 02:56:07 thanks guys Mar 29 02:56:09 np Mar 29 02:59:50 SineOt: hmm, looks like HP printers can do google cloud printing too, which uses XMPP. neat. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011